Mass media: “Beginners” criminals are offered to be re-educated in the army

The draft law, which provides for the introduction of a new educational measure for persons who have first committed minor and moderately violent crimes, will be prepared in the lower house of parliament, reports RIA "News".

According to the publication, compulsory military service in the Russian armed forces could be introduced as an alternative to criminal punishment for such crimes. It is noted that this innovation will affect men aged 18 to 45 years.

The draft law provides for amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service." The author of the initiative is a member of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, Aleksey Didenko.

From the point of view of Alexey Didenko, these changes will make it possible to approach the issue of re-education of citizens convicted for minor crimes for a more humane approach. In addition, it will help reduce overcrowding in places of deprivation of liberty, the parliamentarian said.

“We have a problem with overcrowded prisons for a long time. Over the past 5 years, two amnesties have passed. Experts suggested and offer different measures to remedy this situation, often pointing out that a number of criminals - in particular, those who have committed economic crimes - can be punished in a different way than imprisonment. (....) Moreover, our army is probably even more effective an educational institution than the prison system, ”Didenko emphasized.

The articles to which the new educational measure will be extended will be clarified during the preparation of the draft law, and the period of military service will be equal to the term of imprisonment provided for in the relevant articles.

Comments

[teron]

Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.

[Ruslan]

they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

gravel pit is their place. And dirt is not dragged into the army, and so we dig out for many years!

[Baikonur]

I absolutely agree with the above!
After all, they will come to the army like: I am an "authority"!
And they will begin to subordinate everything to the prison order, "according to concepts"!
Danger!

This "lawmaker" on constitutional law and state building

The author of the initiative is Aleksey Didenko, a member of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building.

From the point of view of Alexey Didenko, these changes will make it possible to approach the issue of re-education of citizens convicted for minor crimes for a more humane approach. In addition, it will help reduce overcrowding in places of deprivation of liberty, the parliamentarian said.

- minimum - mistrust! humanist tolerant, Yeprst! something wrong with him! Markin, FSB, WHERE ARE YOU ???

[kizhe]

Or maybe a Cossack mishandled? He wants to ruin our army from the inside. And the country from where they were sent is not difficult to determine.

[andr327]

Alextz Didenko as the commander of such a platoon in a separate garrison.

[figwam]

The bill, which provides for the introduction of a new educational measure for people who have first committed non-violent crimes of small and medium gravity, will be prepared in the lower house of parliament, RIA Novosti reports.

This is a huge mistake.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: figvam

This is a huge mistake.

This is so nonsense that it looks more like a fake, just a normal throw on a fan ..

[bocsman]

Quote: figvam

This is a huge mistake.

And why ? There are such units, they are called disbats, and let beginner classes serve there. And the deputy himself must pay for these experiments.

[1Andrei]

Quote: bocsman

Quote: figvam

This is a huge mistake.

And why ? There are such units, they are called disbats, and let beginner classes serve there. And the deputy himself must pay for these experiments.

You know, there was such a practice in the USSR. "They", as a rule, were sent to serve to ensure order among the prisoners in the internal troops. For this right on the plantation, the former, their own, were opened. I think all this only discredits the army. Do you remember what attitude in society was towards the Internal Troops?

[Temples]

This is some kind of pests pushing the bill !!!
Does the revival of the Army hinder someone?

Can they be sent to the police instead of the zone?
Or to the prosecutor?
Or attending doctors in the State Duma?
Specifically, the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building!
Let the state builder Alexei Didenko treat !!!

[Now we are free]

Very close (across the border) there is a state where all the ZK and other abomination are sent to the army (to the ATO). What comes out of this we see with our own eyes - No army, looting, violence against civilians, rampant alcoholism, desertion, BP trade on the side, betrayal, extra-statutory relationships. ZOMBILAND created a ZOMBIARMY from which even the most "Frostbitten patriots" are sick.
We seem to be not ZOMBILANDs and try not to become one, despite the attempts of many from both outside and inside. To send criminals to the Armed Forces is a double crime because these people get more hands and weapons ...

And Mr. Didenko can only be advised not to engage in fraud, but just lobby for improving conditions for the ZK and expanding penal institutions, and even better to initiate social projects that reduce both the likelihood of committing crimes of a non-violent nature and the prevention of their relapses.
You don’t have to blame everything on your healthy head, especially since this healthy head (Army) has just begun to find its true strong and noble face.

We already went through this when, after the Second World War, the ZK and other antisocial elements began to be called up to the most powerful army in the world of immortal feats of arms, hazing / fraternity / fenya / concept poisoned the blood of the army then. Repeating your mistakes is not even a tragedy; it’s a diagnosis ...

P.S. Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation could be advised to raise the biography of the "lawmaker" Didenko, it’s too painful for his initiative to sound outright sabotage, maybe he’s another "Hidden Ponomarev"? ..

[insafufa]

Quote: ruslan

they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.

Quote: teron

Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.

I completely agree with all of the Army from hazing which appeared as a result of the call of criminals did not get better
But it is necessary to re-educate them for such comrades to revive the construction battles and the benefit and upbringing for them should be a shovel or crowbar with a pickaxe or saw friendship on a logging site

[Native grandfather]

Quote: insafufa

But it is necessary to re-educate them for such comrades to revive the construction battles and the benefit and upbringing for them should be a shovel or crowbar with a pickaxe or saw friendship on a logging site

"A thief should sit in jail!" (c) Zhiglov

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: insafufa

I completely agree with all of the Army from hazing which appeared as a result of the call of criminals did not get better

You are wrong about the appearance of bullying in the Soviet army. Hazing appeared after the end of the Great Patriotic War, when the troops, no longer fighting and located in the barracks, began to replenish with young conscripts who did not smell gunpowder. It was then that this continuous conflict of "old men" and later "grandfathers" began, who fought and refused to scrub barracks, toilets and wash trousers. And since the soldiers who fought were both more authoritative and physically stronger, killing the Nazis with their own hands, the young soldiers had to admit their strength - they could easily kill, and the death of servicemen in the army has always been a seven-sealed secret.
It was a huge mistake in the leadership of the army - the call of young soldiers to units that had already fought. It was necessary to complete battalions separately: with soldiers who fought and separately with those who did not fight.

[pv1005]

Are you serious now? Can you document your speculation? Do not carry nonsense.

[mike_z]

Quote: Алексей_К

Hazing appeared after the end of World War II,

You have shifted a little in time. In fact, after the Second World War, the soldiers who went through the war guarded the young and there was no concept of bullying-year anniversary. And it began in a period of decreasing term of military service. Then the young began to come to the barracks and cubicles, called up not for 3 and 4 years, but for 2 and 3. The end of the 60s, in my opinion. forgotten already. But not after the war, that's for sure. The call of the convicted simply aggravated the phenomenon.

[dirty trick]

Quote: insafufa

for such comrades to revive the building battles and the benefits and training for them

believe the builder - such shots work only while a tuber (just a tuber, not a team leader) is standing over them with a stick, and the quality of work is ...

the comrade above spoke much more correctly:

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

gravel quarry is their place.

here it’s difficult to at least nakosyachit.

[AVV]

In the penal battalion they have a place !!!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: AVV

In the penal battalion they have a place !!!

Penalty battalion is a unit created during the war. Russia is not at war now and therefore there are no penal battles.
I believe that criminals should not be allowed into the ranks of a peaceful army. This is a huge problem - prison relations will immediately appear in the barracks, which are even worse than hazing.
At one time, as an officer, I encountered criminals in my unit. When communicating with them, I had only one desire, to shoot everyone on the spot. The harm from them is huge. Not for nothing during the war, the penal battalions were separate units and did not mix with the ordinary. The deployment of penal battalions was guarded by the NKVD officers. They could not take a step from the location, a step to the left, a step to the right - escape and execution on the spot

[sso-xnumx]

Quote: ruslan

you need to re-educate with a broom and a rag in your teeth,

Better yet, with a kyle in a coal mine or mine. And then the army has nothing more to do !!!!! They are still part and subdivisions of the Federal Service for the Execution of Sentences (FSIN of Russia), closer to accomplices. Both of them behind the thorn. And who will persuade anyone to interact faster .....

[Geisenberg]

Quote: ruslan

they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.

Kyle in uranium mines.

[Roman1970]

Quote: teron

Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.

In general, I agree with you ... There may be options for creating separate "penalty" units, and even then I somehow vaguely see it ... Is that a construction battalion ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Roman1970

There may be options for creating separate "penalty" parts,

Yeah, create a regiment of thugs, arm them and wait for them to begin to obey colony administration to the commanders of the unit. And they will not work in the buildingibat either.

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Roman1970

There may be options for creating separate "penalty" parts,

Yeah, create a regiment of thugs, arm them and wait for them to begin to obey colony administration to the commanders of the unit. And they will not work in the buildingibat either.

Well, why ... signalers and cryptographers from them, a break in the template for NATO ... Navajo Indians used the same ...

on the left flank of kodla mashka mashik the aristocrat is about to batter the batteries .. I ask permission so as not to screw up the doorpost to apply the mastic, leaving for spare beds ..

But he himself is a lawyer in the army then?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Roman1970

In general, I agree with you ... There may be options for creating separate "penalty" units, and even then I somehow vaguely see it ... Is that a construction battalion ...

There is no stroybat in Russia now. The construction of military facilities is carried out by civilian organizations of special purpose.

[Finches]

A sensible proposal ... I, as a person who has gone through all the command steps from the platoon commander to the battalion commander who work directly with the soldiers, are categorically against it!

And a little off topic - traditionally they don’t remember the signalmen, but I want to congratulate all my fellow soldiers, colleagues and comrades of VO who are directly related to today's professional holiday -

Happy Military Signalman Day! Happy Communication Forces Day! Best wishes!

[vsdvs]

I will gladly support congratulations and wishes !!!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

for Communication, holy! Happy guts!

[Finches]

Thank you very much!!!

[1Andrei]

I congratulate you personally and all the signalmen. My dad also had a combat connection (Blessed memory), but that's how he felt about electronic warfare, or it's the same thing. I'm dumb in this matter, but Bati I remember the connection buttonholes.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: teron

Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened.

Exactly, he himself came across in the initial period of service in part after training. The builders lived in the barracks. So it was like a Zekovsky corner.
And what, everything has been done in the national economy, everything has been built and laid ?!
Then in the State Duma such, dust off and wash cars!
And let the deputies themselves educate them!

[marlin1203]

What's the difference between a violent crime or not, if it is intentional. A person is in principle capable of breaking the law. What should he do in the army, where everything must be kept in order and obedience. The officers need to be engaged in combat training, and the fairly abbreviated "political officers" will simply go crazy.

[Tor5]

Yeah, that's just the bandits who were working in the Army on a hair dryer and weren’t enough!

[YARUSSIAN39]

They said for sure that there should not be anyone superfluous in the army, let alone criminals, otherwise high-tech radars will then be scoured and scrapped on the Ruin ..

[jjj]

According to some observations, there is a process of changing the composition of the Duma. Either the deputies are in favor of abolishing the indexation of pensions for working pensioners and generally muddied with pensions, then they decided to reform the army, or it has become too combat-ready. But Kaliningraders proposed again to return to summer time, and the Minister of Health Skvortsova said that there was nothing wrong with that

[Native grandfather]

Another attempt to destroy the army. They decided to return to the troops ZEKovskie not vowel laws. After all, "hazing" and other things related to this appeared in the army when they began to call in criminals. The prestige of the service plummeted. But once boys and girls looked at the soldiers as heroes and defenders. Approximately how the Crimeans accepted our "green men". That's about the same thing before (when my father was young) in a peaceful "civilian" they accepted an ordinary soldier. And after ... and after our "smart" rulers decided to re-educate criminals in the army. The result is known to everyone who served in our time.
And now again, someone on top decided to step on the rake that had not yet cooled down. I would have him ... yes with this rake ... yes along the ridge !!!

[Juborg]

Yeah, the army as a punishment! The liberals were completely insane. Give me a gun, shoot the bitches. Only slightly raised the prestige of the army, and on you, shit again. What a country!

[Blondy]

Guys. never mind - this is just a deputy PR, in the image of astonishment. For something sensible brains are not enough - that is toil.

[yushch]

The Union also practiced similar things, the young guys waved at a disco, they broke some sort of window-case or broke their jaw. They came as a military commissar and a district policeman and offered two options. If, by stupidity, someone interfered, why would they break his life ??? and send killers to the army.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: teron

Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.

Truly so. In addition to being criticized, they will also receive military training. It is not enough only within the country to organize a forge of terrorists.

[valday]

Is it hard to decide if it's worth it? After all, a similar experience was already in the USSR, when they began to call for "novice" criminals, as a result, this led to bullying in the army.

[Penetrator]

The builders are back! With all their attendant "charm" ... I hope that our "reformers" will be smart enough not to allow a criminal contingent to enter combat units.

[obstructia]

When one begins to approach the "re-education" of such "citizens" in a "humane" manner, nothing good comes of it.

[MolGro]

will not help!!! only work for food will help!
Do not work, do not eat. and if you eat it for 3 days you don’t eat, this is an effective method tested by time!
A prison should be a place where you don’t want to go at all, much less return!
And then they did the resort with free food!

[KOH]

The construction battalion rules ...

[mpzss]

"Moreover, our army is probably an even more effective educational institution than the prison system" ... is he hinting at that !? he himself was in the army !? personally, I am categorically AGAINST this! The army is not a kindergarten! Anyway, how can you think of giving the CRIMINAL a weapon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: mpzss

Anyway, how can you think of giving the CRIMINAL weapon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a story about a real case in one of the northern ones:
http://trrlsever.org/SEVER/GORKY/gorky_story-01.html -
"Gorky" tragedy
And that happened in 1975! And then the criminals were not yet!

[Mountain shooter]

I would not like to turn the army into a branch of the educational colony. IMHO. The deputies are not military. Did you see order in the army and blame it on the gray? The army is not supposed to perform these functions.

[Petr1]

Quote: teron

Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better.

Now professionals serve in the army, they have a good salary, and these will serve for food (first), after correction for the salary, and there are good military men among the hooligans ..

[ARES623]

Quote: Petr1

after correction for zp

How do you define this "after"? Who will do it?
In general, this initiative, if not fake, then nonsense, but the initiator of the "jambs".

[Decathlon]

I wish I could see the "diamond" boy from the Ferrari in the assembly point!

[Sauron80]

Its only if immediately the regiment commander at 17 years old, like Gaidar

[kizhe]

He was 18.

[Sauron80]

Then the generals immediately)))

[RuslanNN]

They want to make a zone out of the army. One can clearly see enough movies like a penal battalion, how the Nazi lessons defeated.

[Velizariy]

Those who come up with such proposals should be given 1-2 "novice" criminals at home - let them re-educate, and then share their experience and methodology.

[Million]

The State Duma continues to generate masterpieces of lawmaking! Service in the army from an honorable duty becomes a punishment for criminals!

[Undermined ustoev]

After the service, most people who have fulfilled their honorable duty as a civilian serve either as taxi drivers or security guards. Enchanting manifestation of absolute lack of initiative in expectation of a command from above is expressed in the choice of a civilian profession. Join the army, they said. You will become a man, they said.

[Ivan Tucha]

this is a very bad idea.

[vovanpain]

Why step on the old rake, because it happened in the USSR, let them work out their sins on the construction sites of the national economy.

[raid14]

Such events have already taken place in the USSR, they recruited people with a criminal record in construction battalions, what happened? Hazing, fellowship, "prison slang" (rations, shkonka, bastards, etc.) are still getting rid of among the troops. I would also like to add that people who have embarked on a crime may have mental problems and increased aggression, the authorities need to think that this is fraught with cases of mass shootings of colleagues or suicides with the use of weapons.

[Uncle lee]

Give disbates and fines! And do not get urkabats or krimbats ???

[GRAY]

Quote from Uncle Lee

And do not get urkabats or krimbats ???

Rather, in the household, there will be someone to feed the pigs on a permanent basis.
This, of course, only if such a smut is really slipped into the army (which I personally doubt very much).

[cariperpaint]

you say so in vain. for many boys this chance will give life to straighten out. Of course there will be all sorts of things, but our work is to be done so that they would turn into people. good idea.

[provincial]

I put you minus, the length of service in the USSR Armed Forces is 27 years.

[Kurdalagon]

This is not about youngsters from dysfunctional families! and about men under 45!

[Petr1]

Quote: Kurdalagon

This is not about youngsters from dysfunctional families! and about men under 45!

ways of the lord

[samara-58]

Apparently you did not serve in the army ... This is a job for the officers and other "commanding" staff, about work not hunting, not Makarenko!

[KGB WATCH YOU]

"Ingenious" solution. However, nothing else can be expected from the Russian government officials.

[Estet59]

Similar could have come up with either a notorious provocateur, or a clinical idiot!

[EvgNik]

Quote: Estet59

notorious provocateur, or clinical idiot

Didenko Aleksey, a member of the Liberal Democratic Party. It seems the same inadequate person as Zhirinovsky. Such a law will only harm the army. The criminal element must be kept away from the army. And not to promote the "romance" of criminals in a very disrespectful zombie box.

[Frigate]

In this way, from an inexperienced criminal, you can get an experienced one.
If they really wanted to re-educate, they would create something new for this.
The army, this is not an educational system. The army is the shield of the state.

[rotmistr60]

compulsory military service may be introduced as an alternative to criminal punishment for such crimes

Has the experience of construction workers taught anything? Then they also decided to follow this principle. The most cruel offenses, reaching the lawlessness, were committed in this militarized organization, although it was believed that this was the passage of military service.

[aikon1974]

Army, this is not a correctional facility. You need to educate before the army. In this way, the prestige of the army will not rise, but only will be worse.

[roskot]

There are extraordinary people in our Duma. They think widely and ambiguously ...
In peacetime, create penal battalions.
And they themselves are not afraid that in the process of re-education, he will run away with a gun and do things.

[creak]

Another legislative spam, nothing good, our people have not voiced for a long time. Such an imitation of ebullient activity does not deserve even a short comment ...

[GRAY]

When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the eggs. Apparently, the same thing is happening with the State Duma deputies.
I think that such things should not be left to chance — such deputies should be prescribed medical training for a month of drill training, so that the brains fall into place.

[mike_z]

Quote: GRAY

per month drill

A month will not be enough. Will not reach.

[GRAY]

Quote: mike_z

A month will not be enough. Will not reach.

It will come. They are all groomed there, unusual for loads, just right for a month - instead of vacation

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: GRAY

When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the eggs. Apparently, the same thing is happening with the State Duma deputies. I think that such things should not be left to chance — such deputies should be prescribed medical training for a month of drill training, so that the brains fall into place.

But, actually, it is necessary to drive.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: GRAY

When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the eggs. Apparently, the same thing is happening with the State Duma deputies. I think that such things should not be left to chance — such deputies should be prescribed medical training for a month of drill training, so that the brains fall into place.

But, actually, it is necessary to drive.

[Hello]

In my opinion, as an alternative to punishment, this is stupidity, the army is not a punishment but a duty. But in terms of correcting the mistakes of youth, that is, the removal of a criminal record, for example, seems to me acceptable. But only if not everyone will be dragged in a row, but really wanting and realizing.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Hello

In my opinion, as an alternative to punishment, this is stupidity, the army is not a punishment but a duty. But in terms of correcting the mistakes of youth, that is, the removal of a criminal record, for example, seems to me acceptable. But only if not everyone will be dragged in a row, but really wanting and realizing.

And how to determine who is aware and who is lying that he is aware? In the zone, they all become instantly aware as soon as it comes to parole (parole).
It’s better to tell whether those who have or had a term serve in the Israeli army only realistically — how things are on this issue.

[Hello]

Quote: Алексей_К

It’s better to tell whether those who have or had a term serve in the Israeli army only realistically — how things are on this issue.

Please tell. In Israel, there is a practice of calling people who had a criminal record under 18 years old (of course, for not serious crimes, for example a fight without serious bodily crimes). Israel provides such young people with the opportunity to correct the mistakes of youth, though there is a tough selection. 1. Service in the military forces. 2. For all three years of service, no complaints either in the army or in civilian life. 3. He must prove to the army that he really wants to improve. If all conditions are met at the end of the criminal record, they are written off and do not interfere with the person’s life. and work. I also want to add that the army is closely monitoring such fighters and at the slightest suspicion of a kick in the ass ...
PS: By conviction, I meant suspended sentences for minor violations. I have strong doubts that the army will call a person who has served in prison.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Hello

Please tell. In Israel there is a practice of calling people who had a criminal record up to 18 years (of course, for not serious crimes, for example a fight without serious bodily crimes).

Thanks for the information for consideration.

[Doctor Evil]

To prison or to the army? Introduced a 45-year-old uril serving 10 years on draft. And if you have already served urgent? Whereas? Will they re-arrange or issue a contract? Nah, well, complete nonsense ...

[provincial]

It already was. Had to see the Russian Armed Forces defeated. So someone needs new problems. Russian citizens do not vote for United Russia, there are not adequate people gathered there. Educate your ....., otherwise, don’t touch the army.

[mike_z]

Survived, plaque fly !!! I have proved all my service to my sailors-sodomans (there were some :) I proved that the Navy is not a correctional labor institution and if they do not want to serve, then ... there, to the UFSIN institutions! Sometimes it really helped. And now ... Then it is necessary to introduce special (highly paid!) Posts in the Armed Forces and revive what Serdyukov chopped up - KEChI, OMIS, ditching, etc. units - and send these criminal thugs straight to coal fireplaces, to galleys, clean latches, dig ditches, etc. - away from combat work. But, actually, first you need to introduce this deputy to such a service. And it’s better - all at once, so that they do not make garbage from the RF Armed Forces.

[science fiction writer]

and send these criminal thugs straight to coal firecrackers, to galleys, clean latches, dig ditches, etc. - away from combat work

It will not help, but lawlessness will be famously arranged.
After all, when they are caught, they look at the floor with a voice like a eunuch and wait for punishment
severe and then bam and into the army, UH-FUH rolled, they will get used to it, look back, straighten their shoulders and for the old. Didenko can’t see anything to do, it doesn’t matter what, and then when they ask him what you did for 4 years, the deputy will say that he wrote the bill and what
he was not accepted so not blaming me.

[mike_z]

So the bitch will say. "I am not me and the house is not mine"
... how I want to be a deputy! Privileges to a fig, the salary - to go nuts, but no responsibility. Dream! :))

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: mike_z

I have proved all my service to my sailors-sodomans (there were some :) I proved that the Navy is not a correctional labor institution and if they do not want to serve, then ... there, to the UFSIN institutions!

It was necessary to board such. The wave washed away due to caution.

[mike_z]

No, that you ... Not so slob. By the way, sometimes one could rely on a slob more than a Komsomol activist. Of which there were real units overboard, I nevertheless served on the latest ships.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: mike_z

No, that you ... Not so slob. By the way, sometimes one could rely on a slob more than a Komsomol activist. Of which there were real units overboard, I nevertheless served on the latest ships.

It was a wicked joke on my part. I worked with former criminals in the army (I am an officer), this is something terrible.
And on the ship, a team with a completely different psychology. There, every sailor understands that if someone was "washed away by a wave," then there is one who "helped" this wave. And the "assistant" knows that if today he "helped", then tomorrow he will be "helped" to be in the dark abyss. And no one will prove anything. And it is unlikely that sailors with a criminal past were called on ships. Imagine if the prison "authorities" took over the management of the team of sailors. That's it - the ship is no longer suitable for military operations, and so it is not far from riot and piracy.

[mike_z]

Quote: Алексей_К

And it is unlikely that sailors with a criminal past were called on ships.

Yes, you are right, God had mercy on former criminals. But there were "future" ones. Rebellion, theft, we went through everything. The worst began in the 90s. There was a case when 3 Dagestanis kept an entire cruiser in fear (I will not name the ship). All parcels and money transfers went through them. Beaten, humiliated. When we figured it out (I was already serving at the headquarters of the formation), the hair stood on end from the fact that the officers knew and were silent. They were afraid. U. blyudkov had support in the city - the "Dagestan lobby" of Severomorsk. But we won! Three criminal cases! All three got what they deserved. And the situation on the ship improved.

[Kargana]

No, well, if you send only those who themselves want to change something and send them back to the zone or to the disbat for jambs, then something can happen.
But the idea is scary, because such initiatives are usually worked out through w ...

[Moore]

How do you imagine this? In fact, it turns out that the judge will read out a certain sentence about replacing the prison term with the fulfillment of the sacred duty to protect the homeland with arms in hand ?! And in the end he will ask: does the defendant mind this duty to fulfill instead of checking in kitsch ?!
I’m not talking about Leshik, let the relevant commissions of the State Duma understand these majorities.

[anderles66]

Amazing power of idiocy. I would suggest reinforcing the topic of recruiting exclusively repeat offenders on a contract basis. What is not a way of re-education? And what do people of retirement age do? I would suggest simply destroying them. All the same, you can’t re-educate them anymore, and the army cannot be legally. Though...

[Terrible ensign]

An abnormal legislative itching ... Mr. Didenko himself, interestingly, served? Or maybe he was sitting?
About two years ago, the topic of the need for checks of mental normality and mental health when holding senior positions (both elective and appointed) came up. Apparently the "boil" did not end with anything ...

[lopvlad]

these changes will make it possible to more humanely approach the issue of re-education of citizens who were first convicted of minor crimes.

humanism in relation to one should not infringe on the rights of the other. I am deeply not sure that the 18-year-old boy will be pleased to serve along with the gopnik, and especially of great age.
If they want humanism, then let them put on the perpetrator of a petty crime and he will be under surveillance and arrest.

[provincial]

But will this GOPNIK give the 18-year-old boy service?

[Vladimir 1964]

The bill, which provides for the introduction of a new educational measure for people who have first committed non-violent crimes of small and medium gravity, will be prepared in the lower house of parliament, RIA Novosti reports.

On this occasion, only one thought arises. The elections are coming soon, each of us, Dear colleagues, should think for whom he should vote. For such idiocy is engaged in "people's choices".
The level of intelligence, and simply the life experience of the authors of such a bill, is clearly in great shortage.

No words, Dear colleagues.

[ma_shlomha]

Voting for party listwho put forward such, to put it mildly, inadequate bills, we allow such "people's representatives" rule us on behalf of the people, although

The level of intelligence, and simply the life experience of the authors of such a bill, is clearly in great shortage.

Reference:
The author of the initiative, a member of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, Alexei Didenko, was elected to the State Duma as part of the federal list of candidates nominated by the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Political Party

[mike_z]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

Dear colleagues, I have to think about who he should vote for.

This is why they came up with "party lists" to hide behind the parties. A kind of collective irresponsibility. It will be necessary to find out from which party this deputy is ... Although there are such ... in general, not one.

[787nkx]

I’ll go to hooligan, let me be taken by a brigade commander for re-education.

[tomcat117]

This proposal is a countermeasure aimed at the collapse of the army.
Those who have left a place in other organizations (you still have to think = if you are not in prison, then you work in the labor camp for 1,5 or 2 terms of imprisonment).
By the way, why can’t they be taken to the police and the FSB, but you can join the army, is it a dump?

[sw6513]

You can not turn criminals into defenders of the homeland, it is marvism and the shame of the whole system ..

[tomcat117]

Media: “Beginner” criminals are offered to re-educate in the army ...

Try to inject a "novice AIDS virus" into a healthy body?
Who is first?

[Abbra]

It's called the "novice Didenko virus" ...

[roskot]

So blurted out and has already become famous. And he proposed to introduce a second air tax. But Moscow corrected, canceled. And how many more unthinking thoughts are wandering in the minds ...
Adopt such a law and how many "scientific mouths" can you form? Endless creativity for idiots.

[Dryulea]

Did Didenko himself serve in the army?

[Vladimir]

Quote: ruslan

they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.

They are unlikely to get into the Airborne Forces, but nobody canceled the building battles.

[OIC]

Article 63 of the Constitution of the USSR read: "Military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the USSR is an honorable duty of Soviet citizens." And in accordance with these proposals, military service turns into a punishment.
Complete change of priorities.
Then maybe for these purposes to form disbates, which would be equipped with this category of citizens?

[kizhe]

So this is the constitution of the USSR ......

[chunga-changa]

Didenko is an ethnic Ukrainian, so he doesn't care deeply about Russia. Let's say someone needs something for some reason. They are looking for a Ukrainian in the Duma, and he promotes the "initiative" for a small sum. If the "initiative" is more worthwhile or controversial, they turn to the Semites, they charge more. The names of these "servants of the people" are constantly heard, we all know them perfectly, all these "milon".

[BULB TARAS]

Under the tsars-priests, they were exiled to the Caucasus to fight there and "re-educated" ... Let them create a semblance of a "foreign legion" for specific tasks and go there for 5 years for "correction." It is also possible to send the "aviators" from the officer corps there as privates for the entire service life for thieves and other "exploits" of their fat and to be in the shoes of a private so as not to forget that there is a service. Corrected to return the previous rank and remove the criminal record.

[samara-58]

Option! Offer something sensible is always more difficult!

[vsdvs]

The army is not a trash can !!! Defending the Homeland 0 honorable duty, not a jail time! Such nonsense can only offer hoopoes that have never served in the armed forces.

[miv2909]

Hmm. Rake.

[bish]

A crazy idea, this is how all the perverted forms of hazing, which until now cannot be completely eradicated, have entered the army.
Disciplinary battalions are another matter. They were created including for the destruction of hazing in the army.
I can’t say anything about the methods of disbath, but upon returning from there, the serviceman regularly performed military service. And even if you contributed to his sending there, then he returned adequately served with weapons and no problems arose with him. It is a completely different matter if a soldier at the preliminary investigation ended up in a pre-trial detention center, and then returned from there, it only got worse.
Instead of sending criminals to the army, they would create a special prison similar to the disbath for people under 30, which would be aimed at destroying criminal romance and criminal (thieves) laws.
And it’s so easy to bring this dirt to the army for nothing, this is only an undermining of combat readiness.

[company7777]

Not a big idea idea !!! Urki will appear in the army, and then discipline will fall, God forbid, not submission and riots will come.

[Watchdog]

Here it is necessary to check such initiators in connection with our intelligence services. strategic partners. They had just set up the army, as some kind of people's representative appeared, and let's restore the Khrushchev way of its collapse — the imposition of prison orders in the troops. I am not opposed to re-education, I am not opposed to juvenile delinquents serving in the army, only special units should be created for them, where specialists will monitor their behavior, and in case of deviation from discipline, they should be rejected, in connection with such training, they should be increased service life - proved that everything is not lost with you, that you have a head, you can work, you can obey discipline - go ahead, serve the term, and then, maybe the long term. Then you can still talk. However, will Russia pull such a program today?
And to put such a miracle in the common barracks and begin ...

[vsdvs]

Curriculum Vitae;
Alexey Didenko was born on March 30, 1983 [1] in the village of Pochapintsy, Lysyansky district, Cherkasy region of the Ukrainian SSR [6] [7]. After birth, he left with his mother in Tomsk, where at that time his father worked and lived - Nikolai Vasilievich Didenko. Nikolai Didenko subsequently gained fame as a Novosibirsk politician [8] [9].

From 1990 to 1993, Alexey studied at secondary school No. 44 in the city of Tomsk [10], then at the "Russian classical gymnasium No. 2", which he graduated in 2000 [1] [11].

In 2005 he graduated with honors from the Law Institute of Tomsk State University [1]. In the same year, Didenko became the coordinator of the Tomsk regional branch of the Liberal Democratic Party [1].

In 2007 he was elected as a deputy of the State Duma of the Tomsk Region, and in 2010 - as a deputy of the Duma of the city of Tomsk [1]. Didenko holds the post of chairman of the commission on public safety [6].

From 2006 to 2008 he was an assistant to the deputy of the State Duma Vladimir Ovsyannikov [6], from 2008 to 2010 - an assistant to the deputy chairman of the State Duma Vladimir Zhirinovsky [6].

In 2008, he completed full-time postgraduate studies at Tomsk State University [10].

From 2008 to 2009, Didenko worked as a lecturer at the Department of General Theoretical and Legal Disciplines of the West Siberian branch of the State Educational Institution of Higher Professional Education "Russian Academy of Justice" [1].
Any questions?

[mike_z]

Everything is clear ... It is quite exhaustive. Thank!
... let me be elected ...

[Moore]

Alyosha Didenko is a worthy son of his dad - Nikolai-svet-Vasilievich. I had to communicate with the oldest, a mercenary bureaucrat without shame and conscience.
I believe that this "project" is of the same nature as, for example, the famous LDPR initiative on polygamy (Alyosha is in this party - you can always see him and the rest of the young party-growth in the form of a background to something broadcasting Chief). The main thing, I hope, in this project, suffered through sleepless nights, is to support the common original party line. And for a long time there were no worthy sketches.
And Leshik, of course, did not serve one day in the army (he graduated from Tomsk Law and has been thinking only about Russia since then), which is why he seems to him such a privileged zone of the general regime.
I suppose that the overtaking major could put in place the State Duma Committee on Defense, raising the question of the professional competence of the author of a brilliant idea.

[provincial]

Khokhlya, there is Khokhlya. Introduced into our system.

[ma_shlomha]

BRRRRR! Ugh! Chur me !!!

[Mercenary]

Deputies! The army is not a nursery for the police - it is not its function to re-educate, it must protect Russia, the Army has enough national distortions, and then criminals will come down and it will begin, Soviet hazing will seem like a childish prank.

[Mama_Cholli]

The people in power have gone completely nuts.

[provincial]

This is a way to damage the image of the Russian Armed Forces. Damn, how do these eggheads get into deputies?

[lukke]

"A bill that provides for the introduction of a new educational measure for persons who have committed non-violent crimes of minor and moderate gravity for the first time"

Those. thieves and petty scammers are welcome! and a guy who gets knocked up simply for fighting (and who doesn’t fight or didn’t fight in their youth?!) for a “hooligan” (violent crime) we say no! Personally, I would take better fighters into my battalion than young thieves)
I propose that all this romantic trash, steeped in thieves’ notions, be distributed to the deputies who initiated this project with bail and re-education! especially since they actually have something to profit from)

[russmensch]

Strange logic - prisons are overcrowded, which means they need to be sent to the army... How do you understand this? Will the army be turned into a zone? I personally had such a “thieves”. You see, he was the “king” in the regional village. At first, he wanted the sergeants to clean his boots and hem his collars, otherwise he would call his codla and start a showdown with us all. They re-educated, of course, but I honestly admit that the methods were often far from the regulations. But he was alone, and if several came... Poor platoon leaders.

[astronom1973n]

I believe that if the state (r) (m)u is dispersed, then the country will have budget savings both from renting out the building and from the wage fund. To think of such a thing is complete nonsense. But other than that, what can you expect from a youngster in the army? served! And if there is such a majority of deputies, then it’s clear why everything is stalling.

[MATROSKIN-53]

Here you go. They have just cleansed the army of “impurities”, only the “hazing” and prisoner habits among the soldiers have disappeared, but no, we must once again indoctrinate the army with criminal elements and corrupt it from within! This looks like the work of a fifth column... Such deputies have no place in government agencies! These are traitors to the Russian State. A thief should sit in jail. There is his re-education. And no matter how much you feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest...

[roskot]

Such hoopoes should be sent to the zone to familiarize themselves with the prose of life for at least a couple of months, so that all nonsense is visible, as Peter the Great used to say.

[wild]

Why is our army a garbage dump??? The most brutal selection and that's the only way.

[provincial]

I read other articles on VO, but I return to this article with the question - “What kind of “patriot” of Russia does one have to be in order to propose this bill to the State Duma? I would like to apologize to the deputies of United Russia for putting them in an unsightly light. I thought it was theirs initiative. If I had known that this was an initiative of the Zhirinovites, I would have written differently. There is a gathering of everyone who didn’t need them.

[evge-malyshev]

Pure nonsense. You see, the deputy was concerned about overcrowded correctional facilities. Let 18-year-old youths and 45-year-old “grandfathers” serve. We have difficulty coping with the existing hazing, but here it is proposed to “re-educate” on legal grounds. How can such a thing come to mind?

[GRIGORIY76]

Bravo State Fool!!! Burn some more!!! Life doesn't teach you anything.

[BOB044]

This is not a people’s deputy, but an enemy of the Russian Armed Forces. And who votes for whom. He should be kicked in the neck for such proposals.

[kizhe]

At one time, there were cases when a military unit took a boy in for upbringing (there were various reasons, mainly the absence of relatives) and raised him, and made him a warrior. This guy was called the Son of the Regiment. Sounds proud. Now imagine the expression "prisoner of the regiment." What's it like?

[WU 37]

These “conscripts” would go to those units where the children of these parliamentarians serve. But there are no such units!!! I wonder what faction these smart guys are from? When they call me to vote, I always say that I vote only for my dog. I feed and take care of her, for this she guards the house, and no matter how much you feed these smart guys, it’s not enough for them, and they also strive to spoil them with their innovations!!!!!! !!

[Friends]

According to the publication, compulsory military service in the Russian armed forces could be introduced as an alternative to criminal punishment for such crimes. It is noted that this innovation will affect men aged 18 to 45 years.

Bullshit - to put it mildly...

Quote: teron

Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better.

I heard that this has already been practiced since the 1960s, due to huge losses and a shortage of men of military age. The result is hazing - with a criminal twist... Which is natural. These people perceived the army as a zone... Nah... Why - for the same rake?

Quote: ruslan

they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

a crushed stone quarry is their place. And there’s no point in dragging dirt into the army

Exactly.

Labor camps, large construction sites, etc...

Quote: bish

Instead of sending criminals to the army, they would create a special prison similar to the disbath for people under 30, which would be aimed at destroying criminal romance and criminal (thieves) laws.

Also an option. Although. It still needs to be thought out..

Military service should not be seen as a punishment.

[Earnest]

I am submitting a counter-proposal - to equate staying in the Duma as part of the LDPR faction with serving a criminal sentence, at the end of the term to defeat in rights and disqualify, and to members who put forward at least one initiative, transfer from general to especially strict, and so that for life, with a tattoo on their foreheads " MEMBER".
But seriously, we should revoke the mandate from this mandate-holder. Who knows if there is a procedure so that you can push from below?

[Moore]

Quote: Earnest

But seriously, we should revoke the mandate from this mandate-holder. Who knows if there is a procedure so that you can push from below?

Alas, there is no such mechanism. That’s why the swindlers Mitrofanov and Ponomarev still receive their hard-earned salary (at least it’s credited to them), and they feel at ease and cheerful. Judge for yourself, what kind of (stupid deputy - the VO censorship does not allow anything else) in the State Duma will vote for such a law that someday (God forbid, pah-pah!) could be used against himself?
And our big man, prolific with ideas, may not fear anything at all, promoting his anti-state initiative.

[company7777]

These “conscripts” would go to those units where the children of these parliamentarians serve.
Agree to all 100

[Corsair0304]

Everything described by forum members is correct and I see no point in repeating it. I have a question for the moderators - Why the hell do you allow a photo of NORMAL BOYS-CADETS marching in formation with weapons in their hands to be posted before an article with similar content? It wouldn’t be better if there was a photo of a camera with criminals or something like this:

[Corsair0304]

Well, or like this

[rfv0304]

This Didenko is a moron (apparently like most of those whose last names end in KO - you can see from Ukrop).
Does he think that the army is a garbage dump? If you are sent to the Army, then only to the Dispatch.

[tolancop]

The author of the initiative, a deputy, will be deprived of a psychiatric examination and mandate...
The army is the ARMED forces, and the deputy proposes to arm criminals instead of sending them to the zone.
And the army’s tasks are not the re-education of criminals, but completely different ones... If the Ministry of Justice cannot cope, then it is necessary to solve problems with the Ministry of Justice, and not shift them onto the shoulders of others.

[Undermined ustoev]

Quote: Tor5

Yeah, that's just the bandits who were working in the Army on a hair dryer and weren’t enough!

On the second of August, take a walk around the city. Here, for example, is a clear result of the work of junior and middle command staff. The hard work of the defenders of the Fatherland: http://orel.bezformata.ru/listnews/massovoj-draki-v-den-vdv/5809170/ A whole unarmed idiot was kicked by the crowd. Guys! True patriots and the pride of the elite of the Armed Forces.

[KRIG55]

I suggest that this figure gather them into his State Duma, and let them re-educate them there. The Army has a completely different purpose, and it would be a sin for a State Duma deputy not to know this, which means he is not taking his place.

[EFRSTR]

Served in the construction battalion 85-87. Before that, I spent my entire childhood in military camps - I know what to compare it to. You should have seen this company “marching” from the dining room. In front of the platoon are a couple of ranks of normal soldiers, then a gray mass and the last third of some ragged people who don’t look like warriors at all. The “thieves” bring up the rear with their barely dragging legs. And our unit was one of the best. All relationships are built on “concepts”. Several prisoners are capable of radically changing the moral and psychological situation in the team.

[Tektor]

This is the worst thing you can think of. This happened in the Soviet army, so no one wanted to serve in it... There will be no army.

[TsUS-Air Force]

There was already such an experience when they began to call up those with criminal records! There is no hazing in the army now, there is only street order, the word and the right of the strongest and most organized. Well, it’s still contract stuff. And if they conscript criminals, then the army will become an ordinary prison. I am extremely against it!!!

[max15243]

I read the comments to the article and wondered if any of the commentators served urgently? People with a “criminal” past are not uncommon (i.e. those who were not caught and/or proven). And when young people are offered the choice of serving or criminal prosecution (usually for fights, etc.) is also not uncommon, this is usually practiced in provincial towns and villages. So, in my opinion, the initiative is only an opportunity to legalize this practice, thereby increasing the number of conscripts. True, such boys are usually more reliable and physically better prepared for the difficulties of military service, but there are also many problems with them if the officers neglected their educational duties.

[gammipapa]

This is not an idea, this is sabotage.
If you really want to relieve the congestion in prisons, I suggest assigning one or two criminals to each Duma deputy, let them take them on bail and rehabilitate them. Re-educated - continue to sit in the Duma, no - free up space.

[Yellow]

Actually a great idea. After Minister Serdyukov and his f***ing company, this is the most creative thing. There are truly geniuses in the Duma and the Kremlin. Now normal conscripts will evade with triple force, and the RF Armed Forces will become a huge armed zone