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Mass media: “Beginners” criminals are offered to be re-educated in the army

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The draft law, which provides for the introduction of a new educational measure for persons who have first committed minor and moderately violent crimes, will be prepared in the lower house of parliament, reports RIA "News".




According to the publication, compulsory military service in the Russian armed forces could be introduced as an alternative to criminal punishment for such crimes. It is noted that this innovation will affect men aged 18 to 45 years.

The draft law provides for amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law "On Military Duty and Military Service." The author of the initiative is a member of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, Aleksey Didenko.

From the point of view of Alexey Didenko, these changes will make it possible to approach the issue of re-education of citizens convicted for minor crimes for a more humane approach. In addition, it will help reduce overcrowding in places of deprivation of liberty, the parliamentarian said.

“We have a problem with overcrowded prisons for a long time. Over the past 5 years, two amnesties have passed. Experts suggested and offer different measures to remedy this situation, often pointing out that a number of criminals - in particular, those who have committed economic crimes - can be punished in a different way than imprisonment. (....) Moreover, our army is probably even more effective an educational institution than the prison system, ”Didenko emphasized.

The articles to which the new educational measure will be extended will be clarified during the preparation of the draft law, and the period of military service will be equal to the term of imprisonment provided for in the relevant articles.
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  1. teron
    teron 20 October 2015 10: 28 New
    56
    Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 20 October 2015 10: 31 New
      33
      they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 October 2015 10: 34 New
        46
        gravel pit is their place. And dirt is not dragged into the army, and so we dig out for many years!
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 20 October 2015 10: 39 New
          27
          I absolutely agree with the above!
          Ведь они придут в армию типа: Я - "авторитет"!
          И начнут подчинять всё типа тюремным порядкам, "по понятиям"!
          Danger!

          Этот "законотворец" on constitutional law and state building
          The author of the initiative is Aleksey Didenko, a member of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building.

          From the point of view of Alexey Didenko, these changes will make it possible to approach the issue of re-education of citizens convicted for minor crimes for a more humane approach. In addition, it will help reduce overcrowding in places of deprivation of liberty, the parliamentarian said.
          - minimum - mistrust! humanist tolerant, Yeprst! something wrong with him! Markin, FSB, WHERE ARE YOU ???
          1. kizhe
            kizhe 20 October 2015 11: 57 New
            +5
            Or maybe a Cossack mishandled? He wants to ruin our army from the inside. And the country from where they were sent is not difficult to determine.
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          3. andr327
            andr327 20 October 2015 19: 15 New
            +2
            Alextz Didenko as the commander of such a platoon in a separate garrison. wassat
        2. figwam
          figwam 20 October 2015 10: 41 New
          14
          The bill, which provides for the introduction of a new educational measure for people who have first committed non-violent crimes of small and medium gravity, will be prepared in the lower house of parliament, RIA Novosti reports.

          This is a huge mistake.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 11: 02 New
            +6
            Quote: figvam
            This is a huge mistake.


            This is so nonsense that it looks more like a fake, just a normal throw on a fan ..
          2. bocsman
            bocsman 20 October 2015 11: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: figvam
            This is a huge mistake.


            And why ? There are such units, they are called disbats, and let beginner classes serve there. And the deputy himself must pay for these experiments.
            1. 1Andrei
              1Andrei 20 October 2015 14: 39 New
              -1
              Quote: bocsman
              Quote: figvam
              This is a huge mistake.


              And why ? There are such units, they are called disbats, and let beginner classes serve there. And the deputy himself must pay for these experiments.

              Вы знаете,была такая практика при СССР."их" ,как правило отсылали служить для обеспечения порядка среди заключённых во внутренние войска.Ну там охрана на чайных плантациях.Знавал я одного,на гражданке гусём ходил,а там "вертухай".Ножичком его за это прям на плантации вскрыли бывшие, свои-же.Думаю всё-это только дискредитирует армию.Помните,какое отношение в обществе было к Внутренним Войскам?
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        3. Temples
          Temples 20 October 2015 10: 54 New
          21
          This is some kind of pests pushing the bill !!!
          Does the revival of the Army hinder someone?

          Can they be sent to the police instead of the zone?
          Or to the prosecutor?
          Or attending doctors in the State Duma?
          Specifically, the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building!
          Let the state builder Alexei Didenko treat !!!
        4. Now we are free
          Now we are free 20 October 2015 11: 00 New
          17
          Совсем рядом (через границу) есть государство, где в армию (на АТО) направляют всё ЗК и прочую мерзость. Что из этого выходит мы с Вами видим воочию -Армия никакая, мародёрство, насилие над мирными жителями, повальный алкоголизм, дезертирство, торговля БП на сторону, предательство, внеуставные взаимоотношения. ЗОМБИЛЭНД создал ЗОМБИАРМИЮ от которой уже тошнит даже самых "Отмороженных патриотив".
          We seem to be not ZOMBILANDs and try not to become one, despite the attempts of many from both outside and inside. To send criminals to the Armed Forces is a double crime because these people get more hands and weapons ...

          And Mr. Didenko can only be advised not to engage in fraud, but just lobby for improving conditions for the ZK and expanding penal institutions, and even better to initiate social projects that reduce both the likelihood of committing crimes of a non-violent nature and the prevention of their relapses.
          You don’t have to blame everything on your healthy head, especially since this healthy head (Army) has just begun to find its true strong and noble face.

          We already went through this when, after the Second World War, the ZK and other antisocial elements began to be called up to the most powerful army in the world of immortal feats of arms, hazing / fraternity / fenya / concept poisoned the blood of the army then. Repeating your mistakes is not even a tragedy; it’s a diagnosis ...

          П.С. СК РФ можно было бы посоветовать поднять биографию "законотворца" Диденко, уж больно его инициатива отдаёт откровенным вредительством может он очередной "Затаившийся Пономарёв"? ..
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      2. insafufa
        insafufa 20 October 2015 10: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: ruslan
        they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.


        Quote: teron
        Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.



        I completely agree with all of the Army from hazing which appeared as a result of the call of criminals did not get better
        But it is necessary to re-educate them for such comrades to revive the construction battles and the benefit and upbringing for them should be a shovel or crowbar with a pickaxe or saw friendship on a logging site laughing
        1. Native grandfather
          Native grandfather 20 October 2015 11: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: insafufa
          But it is necessary to re-educate them for such comrades to revive the construction battles and the benefit and upbringing for them should be a shovel or crowbar with a pickaxe or saw friendship on a logging site

          "Вор должен сидеть в тюрьме!" (с) Жиглов
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 20 October 2015 13: 17 New
          -3
          Quote: insafufa
          I completely agree with all of the Army from hazing which appeared as a result of the call of criminals did not get better

          Насчёт появления дедовщины в Советской армии Вы не правы. Дедовщина появилась после окончания Великой Отечественной Войны, когда войска, уже не воюющие и располагающиеся в казармах, стали пополнять молодыми призывниками, не нюхавшими пороха. Вот тогда и начался этот непрерывный конфликт "стариков" и в последствии "дедов", воевавших и отказывающихся драить казарму, туалеты и стирать портки. А поскольку воевавшие солдаты были и авторитетнее и сильнее физически, убивавшие фашистов своими руками, то молодым солдатам и пришлось признать их силу - убить могли запросто, а смерть военнослужащих в армии всегда была тайной за семью печатями.
          It was a huge mistake in the leadership of the army - the call of young soldiers to units that had already fought. It was necessary to complete battalions separately: with soldiers who fought and separately with those who did not fight.
          1. pv1005
            pv1005 20 October 2015 15: 30 New
            +3
            Are you serious now? Can you document your speculation? Do not carry nonsense. hi
          2. mike_z
            mike_z 20 October 2015 17: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Hazing appeared after the end of World War II,

            You have shifted a little in time. In fact, after the Second World War, the soldiers who went through the war guarded the young and there was no concept of bullying-year anniversary. And it began in a period of decreasing term of military service. Then the young began to come to the barracks and cubicles, called up not for 3 and 4 years, but for 2 and 3. The end of the 60s, in my opinion. forgotten already. But not after the war, that's for sure. The call of the convicted simply aggravated the phenomenon.
        3. dirty trick
          dirty trick 20 October 2015 13: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: insafufa
          for such comrades to revive the building battles and the benefits and training for them

          believe the builder - such shots work only while a tuber (just a tuber, not a team leader) is standing over them with a stick, and the quality of work is ...

          the comrade above spoke much more correctly:
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          gravel quarry is their place.

          here it’s difficult to at least nakosyachit.
      3. AVV
        AVV 20 October 2015 12: 21 New
        +2
        In the penal battalion they have a place !!!
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 20 October 2015 13: 29 New
          +3
          Quote: AVV
          In the penal battalion they have a place !!!

          Penalty battalion is a unit created during the war. Russia is not at war now and therefore there are no penal battles.
          I believe that criminals should not be allowed into the ranks of a peaceful army. This is a huge problem - prison relations will immediately appear in the barracks, which are even worse than hazing.
          At one time, as an officer, I encountered criminals in my unit. When communicating with them, I had only one desire, to shoot everyone on the spot. The harm from them is huge. Not for nothing during the war, the penal battalions were separate units and did not mix with the ordinary. The deployment of penal battalions was guarded by the NKVD officers. They could not take a step from the location, a step to the left, a step to the right - escape and execution on the spot
      4. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 20 October 2015 12: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: ruslan
        you need to re-educate with a broom and a rag in your teeth,

        Better yet, with a kyle in a coal mine or mine. And then the army has nothing more to do !!!!! They are still part and subdivisions of the Federal Service for the Execution of Sentences (FSIN of Russia), closer to accomplices. Both of them behind the thorn. And who will persuade anyone to interact faster .....
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 20 October 2015 13: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: ruslan
        they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.


        Kyle in uranium mines.
    2. Roman1970
      Roman1970 20 October 2015 10: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: teron
      Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.

      В целом согласен с Вами...Могут быть варианты создания отдельных "штрафных" частей, да и то как-то туманно мне это видится...Разве что стройбат...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 October 2015 10: 54 New
        +6
        Quote: Roman1970
        Могут быть варианты создания отдельных "штрафных" частей,

        Yeah, create a regiment of thugs, arm them and wait for them to begin to obey colony administration to the commanders of the unit. And they will not work in the buildingibat either.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 20 October 2015 11: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Roman1970
          Могут быть варианты создания отдельных "штрафных" частей,

          Yeah, create a regiment of thugs, arm them and wait for them to begin to obey colony administration to the commanders of the unit. And they will not work in the buildingibat either.


          Well, why ... signalers and cryptographers from them, a break in the template for NATO ... Navajo Indians used the same ... laughing

          on the left flank of kodla mashka mashik the aristocrat is about to batter the batteries .. I ask permission so as not to screw up the doorpost to apply the mastic, leaving for spare beds .. laughing

          But he himself is a lawyer in the army then?
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 20 October 2015 13: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Roman1970
        В целом согласен с Вами...Могут быть варианты создания отдельных "штрафных" частей, да и то как-то туманно мне это видится...Разве что стройбат...

        There is no stroybat in Russia now. The construction of military facilities is carried out by civilian organizations of special purpose.
    3. Finches
      Finches 20 October 2015 10: 34 New
      27
      A sensible proposal ... I, as a person who has gone through all the command steps from the platoon commander to the battalion commander who work directly with the soldiers, are categorically against it!

      And a little off topic - traditionally they don’t remember the signalmen, but I want to congratulate all my fellow soldiers, colleagues and comrades of VO who are directly related to today's professional holiday -

      Happy Military Signalman Day! Happy Communication Forces Day! Best wishes!
      1. vsdvs
        vsdvs 20 October 2015 11: 01 New
        +3
        I will gladly support congratulations and wishes !!!
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 20 October 2015 11: 38 New
        +3
        for Communication, holy! Happy guts! drinks
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 October 2015 14: 24 New
          +1
          Thank you very much!!! drinks
      3. 1Andrei
        1Andrei 20 October 2015 14: 56 New
        +2
        I congratulate you personally and all the signalmen. My dad also had a combat connection (Blessed memory), but that's how he felt about electronic warfare, or it's the same thing. I'm dumb in this matter, but Bati I remember the connection buttonholes.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 October 2015 10: 37 New
      +7
      Quote: teron
      Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened.

      Exactly, he himself came across in the initial period of service in part after training. The builders lived in the barracks. So it was like a Zekovsky corner.
      And what, everything has been done in the national economy, everything has been built and laid ?!
      Then in the State Duma such, dust off and wash cars!
      And let the deputies themselves educate them!
    5. marlin1203
      marlin1203 20 October 2015 10: 39 New
      +7
      Какая разница насильственное преступление или нет, если оно умышленное. Человек в принципе способен нарушить закон. Что ему делать в армии, где все должно держаться на порядке и подчинении. Офицерам боевой подготовкой заниматься надо, а изрядно сокращенные "замполиты" просто с ума с сойдут. soldier
    6. Tor5
      Tor5 20 October 2015 10: 54 New
      +4
      Yeah, that's just the bandits who were working in the Army on a hair dryer and weren’t enough!
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    8. YARUSSIAN39
      YARUSSIAN39 20 October 2015 11: 13 New
      +1
      They said for sure that there should not be anyone superfluous in the army, let alone criminals, otherwise high-tech radars will then be scoured and scrapped on the Ruin ..
      1. jjj
        jjj 20 October 2015 11: 31 New
        +2
        According to some observations, there is a process of changing the composition of the Duma. Either the deputies are in favor of abolishing the indexation of pensions for working pensioners and generally muddied with pensions, then they decided to reform the army, or it has become too combat-ready. But Kaliningraders proposed again to return to summer time, and the Minister of Health Skvortsova said that there was nothing wrong with that
    9. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 20 October 2015 11: 49 New
      +5
      Очередная попытка развалить армию. Решили снова вернуть в войска ЗЕКовские не гласные законы. Ведь "дедовщина" и прочее с этим связанное появилось в армии, когда начали призывать уголовников. Престиж службы резко упал. А ведь когда-то на солдатиков мальчишки и девчёнки смотрели как на героев, защитников. Примерно как крымчане принимали наших "зелёных человечков". Вот примерно так же и раньше(в молодость моего отца) в мирной "гражданке" принимали рядового солдатика. А после... а после наши "умные" правители решили в войсках перевоспитать уголовников. Результат знают все, кто служил в наше время.
      And now again, someone on top decided to step on the rake that had not yet cooled down. I would have him ... yes with this rake ... yes along the ridge !!!
    10. Juborg
      Juborg 20 October 2015 12: 02 New
      +1
      Yeah, the army as a punishment! The liberals were completely insane. Give me a gun, shoot the bitches. Only slightly raised the prestige of the army, and on you, shit again. What a country!
    11. Blondy
      Blondy 20 October 2015 12: 07 New
      +1
      Guys. never mind - this is just a deputy PR, in the image of astonishment. For something sensible brains are not enough - that is toil.
    12. yushch
      yushch 20 October 2015 12: 26 New
      +2
      The Union also practiced similar things, the young guys waved at a disco, they broke some sort of window-case or broke their jaw. They came as a military commissar and a district policeman and offered two options. If, by stupidity, someone interfered, why would they break his life ??? and send killers to the army.
    13. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 20 October 2015 13: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: teron
      Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better. In my opinion.


      Truly so. In addition to being criticized, they will also receive military training. It is not enough only within the country to organize a forge of terrorists.
  2. valday
    valday 20 October 2015 10: 30 New
    +9
    Трудно решить стоит ли это того? Ведь подобный опыт уже был в СССР, когда стали призывать "начинающих" преступников, в результате это привело к издевательствам в армии.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 20 October 2015 10: 32 New
      +3
      Стройбаты возвращаются! Со всей их сопутствующей "прелестью"... Надеюсь, хватит ума у наших "реформаторов" не допускать уголовный контингент в боевые части.
  3. Obstructia
    Obstructia 20 October 2015 10: 30 New
    +7
    Когда "гуманно" начинают подходить к "перевоспитанию" таких "граждан", ничего хорошего из этого не выходит.
  4. MolGro
    MolGro 20 October 2015 10: 31 New
    +6
    will not help!!! only work for food will help!
    Do not work, do not eat. and if you eat it for 3 days you don’t eat, this is an effective method tested by time!
    A prison should be a place where you don’t want to go at all, much less return!
    And then they did the resort with free food!
  5. KOH
    KOH 20 October 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    The construction battalion rules ...
  6. mpzss
    mpzss 20 October 2015 10: 32 New
    +5
    "Тем более что наша армия, вероятно, является даже более действенным воспитательным институтом, чем тюремная система"... это он что намекает!? он сам в армии был!? лично я категорически ПРОТИВ этого! Армия это не детский сад! Да и вообще, как так можно додуматься дать ПРЕСТУПНИКУ оружие!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 October 2015 10: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: mpzss
      Anyway, how can you think of giving the CRIMINAL weapon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Here is a story about a real case in one of the northern ones:
      http://trrlsever.org/SEVER/GORKY/gorky_story-01.html -
      "Горьковская" трагедия
      And that happened in 1975! And then the criminals were not yet!
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 October 2015 10: 32 New
    +1
    Не хотелось бы армию превращать в филиал воспитательной колонии.ИМХО. Депутаты - не военные. Увидели - в армии порядок - и вали "на серого"? Армия не эти функции должна выполнять.
  8. Petr1
    Petr1 20 October 2015 10: 33 New
    -4
    Quote: teron
    Transfer their habits to the troops. It seems to have already happened. The army, and society will not feel better.


    Now professionals serve in the army, they have a good salary, and these will serve for food (first), after correction for the salary, and there are good military men among the hooligans .. wink
    1. ARES623
      ARES623 20 October 2015 11: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Petr1
      after correction for zp

      А как определить это "после"? Кто будет это делать?
      В целом эта инициатива, если не фейк, то бред, а инициатор из "косяков".
  9. Decathlon
    Decathlon 20 October 2015 10: 34 New
    +2
    Хотел бы я посмотреть на "бриллиантового" мальчугана из "Феррари" в помещении сборного пункта!
    1. Sauron80
      Sauron80 20 October 2015 11: 06 New
      0
      Its only if immediately the regiment commander at 17 years old, like Gaidar laughing
      1. kizhe
        kizhe 20 October 2015 12: 04 New
        0
        He was 18.
        1. Sauron80
          Sauron80 20 October 2015 12: 46 New
          0
          Then the generals immediately)))
  10. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 20 October 2015 10: 34 New
    +5
    They want to make a zone out of the army. One can clearly see enough movies like a penal battalion, how the Nazi lessons defeated.
  11. Velizariy
    Velizariy 20 October 2015 10: 35 New
    10
    Тем кто такие предложения выдумывает, нужно на дом давать по 1-2 "начинающих" преступника - пусть перевоспитывают, а потом поделятся опытом и методикой.
  12. Million
    Million 20 October 2015 10: 36 New
    +6
    The State Duma continues to generate masterpieces of lawmaking! Service in the army from an honorable duty becomes a punishment for criminals!
    1. Undermined ustoev
      Undermined ustoev 20 October 2015 10: 48 New
      -12
      After the service, most people who have fulfilled their honorable duty as a civilian serve either as taxi drivers or security guards. Enchanting manifestation of absolute lack of initiative in expectation of a command from above is expressed in the choice of a civilian profession. Join the army, they said. You will become a man, they said.
  13. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 20 October 2015 10: 36 New
    +4
    this is a very bad idea.
  14. vovanpain
    vovanpain 20 October 2015 10: 37 New
    11
    Why step on the old rake, because it happened in the USSR, let them work out their sins on the construction sites of the national economy.
  15. raid14
    raid14 20 October 2015 10: 37 New
    +4
    Проходили уже такие мероприятия при СССР, набирали в стройбаты людей с судимостью, что получилось? Дедовщина, землячество, "тюремный сленг", (пайка, шконка, гады и др.) до сих пор в войсках изживают. Хотелось еще добавить, люди вставшие на преступный пусть имеют проблемы с психикой и повышенной агрессией, властям нужно думать, что это чревато случаями массовых расстрелов сослуживцев или суицидами с применением оружия.
  16. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 20 October 2015 10: 38 New
    +8
    Give disbates and fines! And do not get urkabats or krimbats ???
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 20 October 2015 11: 13 New
      -1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And do not get urkabats or krimbats ???

      Rather, in the household, there will be someone to feed the pigs on a permanent basis. winked
      This, of course, only if such a smut is really slipped into the army (which I personally doubt very much).
  17. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 20 October 2015 10: 38 New
    -3
    you say so in vain. for many boys this chance will give life to straighten out. Of course there will be all sorts of things, but our work is to be done so that they would turn into people. good idea.
    1. provincial
      provincial 20 October 2015 10: 48 New
      +1
      I put you minus, the length of service in the USSR Armed Forces is 27 years.
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    3. Kurdalagon
      Kurdalagon 20 October 2015 10: 52 New
      +2
      This is not about youngsters from dysfunctional families! and about men under 45!
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 20 October 2015 10: 56 New
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        Quote: Kurdalagon
        This is not about youngsters from dysfunctional families! and about men under 45!

        ways of the lord wink
    4. samara-58
      samara-58 20 October 2015 11: 19 New
      -1
      Видимо вы в армии не служили... Это ведь работа для офицерского и прочего "начальствующего" состава,о работать не охота-не макаренко!
  18. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 20 October 2015 10: 38 New
    +6
    "Гениальное" решение. Впрочем от дeгенератов из российской власти ничего другого нельзя ожидать.
  19. Estet59
    Estet59 20 October 2015 10: 38 New
    +6
    Similar could have come up with either a notorious provocateur, or a clinical idiot!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 20 October 2015 11: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: Estet59
      notorious provocateur, or clinical idiot

      Диденко Алексей, член ЛДПР.Похоже такой же неадекватный человек, как и Жириновский.Такой закон принесёт только вред армии.Уголовный элемент надо держать подальше от армии. И не пропагандировать "романтику" уголовников по очень неуважаемому зомби ящику.
  20. Frigate
    Frigate 20 October 2015 10: 38 New
    +4
    In this way, from an inexperienced criminal, you can get an experienced one.
    If they really wanted to re-educate, they would create something new for this.
    The army, this is not an educational system. The army is the shield of the state.
  21. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 October 2015 10: 38 New
    +6
    compulsory military service may be introduced as an alternative to criminal punishment for such crimes

    Has the experience of construction workers taught anything? Then they also decided to follow this principle. The most cruel offenses, reaching the lawlessness, were committed in this militarized organization, although it was believed that this was the passage of military service.
  22. aikon1974
    aikon1974 20 October 2015 10: 39 New
    +8
    Army, this is not a correctional facility. You need to educate before the army. In this way, the prestige of the army will not rise, but only will be worse.
  23. roskot
    roskot 20 October 2015 10: 39 New
    +4
    There are extraordinary people in our Duma. They think widely and ambiguously ...
    In peacetime, create penal battalions.
    And they themselves are not afraid that in the process of re-education, he will run away with a gun and do things.
  24. creak
    creak 20 October 2015 10: 42 New
    +3
    Another legislative spam, nothing good, our people have not voiced for a long time. Such an imitation of ebullient activity does not deserve even a short comment ... negative
  25. GRAY
    GRAY 20 October 2015 10: 43 New
    +3
    When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the eggs. Apparently, the same thing is happening with the State Duma deputies.
    I think that such things should not be left to chance — such deputies should be prescribed medical training for a month of drill training, so that the brains fall into place.
    1. mike_z
      mike_z 20 October 2015 11: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: GRAY
      per month drill

      A month will not be enough. Will not reach.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 20 October 2015 11: 40 New
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        Quote: mike_z
        A month will not be enough. Will not reach.

        It will come. They are all groomed there, unusual for loads, just right for a month - instead of vacation smile
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    3. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 20 October 2015 12: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: GRAY


      When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the eggs. Apparently, the same thing is happening with the State Duma deputies. I think that such things should not be left to chance — such deputies should be prescribed medical training for a month of drill training, so that the brains fall into place.


      But, actually, it is necessary to drive.
    4. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 20 October 2015 12: 29 New
      0
      Quote: GRAY


      When the cat has nothing to do, he licks the eggs. Apparently, the same thing is happening with the State Duma deputies. I think that such things should not be left to chance — such deputies should be prescribed medical training for a month of drill training, so that the brains fall into place.


      But, actually, it is necessary to drive.
  26. Hello
    Hello 20 October 2015 10: 45 New
    +1
    In my opinion, as an alternative to punishment, this is stupidity, the army is not a punishment but a duty. But in terms of correcting the mistakes of youth, that is, the removal of a criminal record, for example, seems to me acceptable. But only if not everyone will be dragged in a row, but really wanting and realizing.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 October 2015 13: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: Hello
      In my opinion, as an alternative to punishment, this is stupidity, the army is not a punishment but a duty. But in terms of correcting the mistakes of youth, that is, the removal of a criminal record, for example, seems to me acceptable. But only if not everyone will be dragged in a row, but really wanting and realizing.

      And how to determine who is aware and who is lying that he is aware? In the zone, they all become instantly aware as soon as it comes to parole (parole).
      It’s better to tell whether those who have or had a term serve in the Israeli army only realistically — how things are on this issue.
      1. Hello
        Hello 20 October 2015 15: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: Алексей_К
        It’s better to tell whether those who have or had a term serve in the Israeli army only realistically — how things are on this issue.

        Please tell. In Israel, there is a practice of calling people who had a criminal record under 18 years old (of course, for not serious crimes, for example a fight without serious bodily crimes). Israel provides such young people with the opportunity to correct the mistakes of youth, though there is a tough selection. 1. Service in the military forces. 2. For all three years of service, no complaints either in the army or in civilian life. 3. He must prove to the army that he really wants to improve. If all conditions are met at the end of the criminal record, they are written off and do not interfere with the person’s life. and work. I also want to add that the army is closely monitoring such fighters and at the slightest suspicion of a kick in the ass ... wink
        PS: By conviction, I meant suspended sentences for minor violations. I have strong doubts that the army will call a person who has served in prison.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 20 October 2015 23: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Hello
          Please tell. In Israel there is a practice of calling people who had a criminal record up to 18 years (of course, for not serious crimes, for example a fight without serious bodily crimes).

          Thanks for the information for consideration.
  27. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 20 October 2015 10: 45 New
    +5
    To prison or to the army? Introduced a 45-year-old uril serving 10 years on draft. And if you have already served urgent? Whereas? Will they re-arrange or issue a contract? Nah, well, complete nonsense ...
  28. provincial
    provincial 20 October 2015 10: 46 New
    +3
    It already was. Had to see the Russian Armed Forces defeated. So someone needs new problems. Russian citizens do not vote for United Russia, there are not adequate people gathered there. Educate your ....., otherwise, don’t touch the army.
  29. mike_z
    mike_z 20 October 2015 10: 47 New
    +7
    Survived, plaque fly !!! I have proved all my service to my sailors-sodomans (there were some :) I proved that the Navy is not a correctional labor institution and if they do not want to serve, then ... there, to the UFSIN institutions! Sometimes it really helped. And now ... Then it is necessary to introduce special (highly paid!) Posts in the Armed Forces and revive what Serdyukov chopped up - KEChI, OMIS, ditching, etc. units - and send these criminal thugs straight to coal fireplaces, to galleys, clean latches, dig ditches, etc. - away from combat work. But, actually, first you need to introduce this deputy to such a service. And it’s better - all at once, so that they do not make garbage from the RF Armed Forces.
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 20 October 2015 11: 14 New
      +4
      and send these criminal thugs straight to coal firecrackers, to galleys, clean latches, dig ditches, etc. - away from combat work

      It will not help, but lawlessness will be famously arranged.
      After all, when they are caught, they look at the floor with a voice like a eunuch and wait for punishment
      severe and then bam and into the army, UH-FUH rolled, they will get used to it, look back, straighten their shoulders and for the old. Didenko can’t see anything to do, it doesn’t matter what, and then when they ask him what you did for 4 years, the deputy will say that he wrote the bill and what
      he was not accepted so not blaming me.
      1. mike_z
        mike_z 20 October 2015 11: 28 New
        +2
        Так и скажет сучонок. "Я не я и хата не моя"
        ... how I want to be a deputy! Privileges to a fig, the salary - to go nuts, but no responsibility. Dream! :))
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    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 October 2015 13: 54 New
      -2
      Quote: mike_z
      I have proved all my service to my sailors-sodomans (there were some :) I proved that the Navy is not a correctional labor institution and if they do not want to serve, then ... there, to the UFSIN institutions!

      It was necessary to board such. The wave washed away due to caution.
      1. mike_z
        mike_z 20 October 2015 17: 14 New
        0
        No, that you ... Not so slob. By the way, sometimes one could rely on a slob more than a Komsomol activist. Of which there were real units overboard, I nevertheless served on the latest ships.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 20 October 2015 23: 30 New
          0
          Quote: mike_z
          No, that you ... Not so slob. By the way, sometimes one could rely on a slob more than a Komsomol activist. Of which there were real units overboard, I nevertheless served on the latest ships.

          It was a wicked joke on my part. I worked with former criminals in the army (I am an officer), this is something terrible.
          А на корабле, коллектив совсем с другой психологией. Там каждый матрос понимает, что если кого-то "смыло волной",то есть тот, который "помог" этой волне. А "помощник" знает, что если сегодня он "помог", то завтра ему "помогут" оказаться в тёмной пучине. И никто ничего не докажет. Да и вряд ли на корабли призывали матросов с уголовным прошлым. Представьте себе если тюремные "авторитеты" завладели управление коллектива матросов. Всё - корабль к боевым действиям более не пригоден.Так и до бунта и пиратства недалеко.
          1. mike_z
            mike_z 21 October 2015 10: 17 New
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            Quote: Алексей_К
            And it is unlikely that sailors with a criminal past were called on ships.


            Да, Вы правы, от бывших уголовников Бог миловал. Но "будущие" были. Неуставщина, воровство, через всё мы прошли.Самое худшее началось в 90-х. Был случай когда 3 дагестанца держали в страхе целый крейсер (не буду называть корабль). Все посылки и денежные переводы проходили через них. Били, унижали. Когда мы разбирались (я уже в штабе соединения служил) волосы дыбом вставали от того, что и офицеры знали и молчали. Боялись. Поддержка у у.блюдков была в городе - "дагестанское лобби" Североморска. Но победили! Три уголовных дела! Все трое получили по заслугам. И обстановка на корабле наладилась.
  30. Kargana
    Kargana 20 October 2015 10: 47 New
    0
    No, well, if you send only those who themselves want to change something and send them back to the zone or to the disbat for jambs, then something can happen.
    But the idea is scary, because such initiatives are usually worked out through w ...
    1. Moore
      Moore 20 October 2015 11: 57 New
      +3
      How do you imagine this? In fact, it turns out that the judge will read out a certain sentence about replacing the prison term with the fulfillment of the sacred duty to protect the homeland with arms in hand ?! And in the end he will ask: does the defendant mind this duty to fulfill instead of checking in kitsch ?!
      I’m not talking about Leshik, let the relevant commissions of the State Duma understand these majorities.
  31. anderles66
    anderles66 20 October 2015 10: 47 New
    +7
    Amazing power of idiocy. I would suggest reinforcing the topic of recruiting exclusively repeat offenders on a contract basis. What is not a way of re-education? And what do people of retirement age do? I would suggest simply destroying them. All the same, you can’t re-educate them anymore, and the army cannot be legally. Though...
  32. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 20 October 2015 10: 48 New
    +5
    An abnormal legislative itching ... Mr. Didenko himself, interestingly, served? Or maybe he was sitting?
    Года два назад всплывала тема о необходимости проверок психической нормальности и душевного здоровья при занятии высших должностей (как выборных, так и по назначению). Видимо "кипеж" ничем не закончился...
  33. lopvlad
    lopvlad 20 October 2015 10: 49 New
    0
    these changes will make it possible to more humanely approach the issue of re-education of citizens who were first convicted of minor crimes.

    humanism in relation to one should not infringe on the rights of the other. I am deeply not sure that the 18-year-old boy will be pleased to serve along with the gopnik, and especially of great age.
    If they want humanism, then let them put on the perpetrator of a petty crime and he will be under surveillance and arrest.
    1. provincial
      provincial 20 October 2015 11: 05 New
      +3
      But will this GOPNIK give the 18-year-old boy service?
  34. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 20 October 2015 10: 49 New
    +7
    The bill, which provides for the introduction of a new educational measure for people who have first committed non-violent crimes of small and medium gravity, will be prepared in the lower house of parliament, RIA Novosti reports.


    По данному поводу возникает только одна мысль. Скоро выборы, каждый из нас, Уважаемые коллеги, должен задумываться за кого он должен голосовать. Ибо подобным идиотизмом занимаются "народные избранники". fool
    The level of intelligence, and simply the life experience of the authors of such a bill, is clearly in great shortage.

    No words, Dear colleagues. hi
    1. ma_shlomha
      ma_shlomha 20 October 2015 11: 02 New
      +1
      Voting for party list, которые выдвигают такие мягко говоря, неадекватные законопроекты мы позволяем таким "народным избранникам" rule us on behalf of the people, although
      The level of intelligence, and simply the life experience of the authors of such a bill, is clearly in great shortage.


      Reference:
      The author of the initiative, a member of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, Alexei Didenko, was elected to the State Duma as part of the federal list of candidates nominated by the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia Political Party
    2. mike_z
      mike_z 20 October 2015 11: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      Dear colleagues, I have to think about who he should vote for.

      Так они поэтому и придумали "партийные списки", чтобы скрываться за партиями.Своего рода коллективная безответственность. Нужно будет выяснить из какой партии этот депутат... Хотя там таких... в общем не один.
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  35. 787nkx
    787nkx 20 October 2015 10: 49 New
    +4
    I’ll go to hooligan, let me be taken by a brigade commander for re-education.
  36. tomcat117
    tomcat117 20 October 2015 10: 54 New
    +8
    This proposal is a countermeasure aimed at the collapse of the army.
    Those who have left a place in other organizations (you still have to think = if you are not in prison, then you work in the labor camp for 1,5 or 2 terms of imprisonment).
    By the way, why can’t they be taken to the police and the FSB, but you can join the army, is it a dump?
  37. sw6513
    sw6513 20 October 2015 10: 57 New
    +6
    You can not turn criminals into defenders of the homeland, it is marvism and the shame of the whole system ..
  38. tomcat117
    tomcat117 20 October 2015 10: 57 New
    +4
    Media: “Beginner” criminals are offered to re-educate in the army ...

    Попробуйте ввести в здоровый организм "начинающий вирус СПИДА"?
    Who is first?
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 20 October 2015 11: 29 New
      +2
      Это называется "начинающий вирус Диденко"...
  39. roskot
    roskot 20 October 2015 10: 58 New
    +5
    So blurted out and has already become famous. And he proposed to introduce a second air tax. But Moscow corrected, canceled. And how many more unthinking thoughts are wandering in the minds ...
    Принять такой закон и сколько "научных рот" можно сформировать? Непочатый край творчества для идиотов.
  40. Dryulea
    Dryulea 20 October 2015 10: 58 New
    +3
    Did Didenko himself serve in the army?
  41. Vladimir
    Vladimir 20 October 2015 10: 59 New
    0
    Quote: ruslan
    they must be re-educated with a broom and a rag in their teeth, and not give weapons.


    They are unlikely to get into the Airborne Forces, but nobody canceled the building battles.
  42. OIC
    OIC 20 October 2015 11: 00 New
    0
    Статья 63 Коституции СССР гласила: "Воинская служба в рядах Вооруженных Сил СССР — почетная обязанность советских граждан". А в соответствии с этими предложениями служба в армии превращается в наказание.
    Complete change of priorities.
    Then maybe for these purposes to form disbates, which would be equipped with this category of citizens?
    1. kizhe
      kizhe 20 October 2015 12: 08 New
      +1
      So this is the constitution of the USSR ......
  43. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 October 2015 11: 08 New
    0
    Диденко - этнический украинец, соответственно на Россию ему глубоко плевать. Допустим кому-то что-то зачем-то понадобилось. Ищут в думе украинца и он за небольшую сумму продвигает "инициативу". Если "инициатива" более стоящая или спорная, обращаются к семитам, они берут дороже. Фамилии этих "слуг народа" постоянно на слуху, все мы их прекрасно знаем, всех этих "милоновых".
  44. TARAS BULBA
    TARAS BULBA 20 October 2015 11: 08 New
    +1
    При царях-батюшках на Кавказ ссылали воевать там и "перевоспитывались"...Пусть создают подобие "иностранного легиона" для специфических задач и туда на 5 лет на "исправление". Можно и "залётчиков" из офицерского корпуса туда направлять рядовыми на весь срок службы за воровстово и прочие "подвиги" жирок свой растрести да в шкуре рядового побыть чтоб не забывал что есть служба . Исправился вернуть прежнее звание и судимость снять.
    1. samara-58
      samara-58 20 October 2015 11: 25 New
      0
      Option! Offer something sensible is always more difficult!
  45. vsdvs
    vsdvs 20 October 2015 11: 08 New
    +4
    The army is not a trash can !!! Defending the Homeland 0 honorable duty, not a jail time! Such nonsense can only offer hoopoes that have never served in the armed forces.
  46. miv2909
    miv2909 20 October 2015 11: 10 New
    +3
    Hmm. Rake.
  47. bish
    bish 20 October 2015 11: 11 New
    +1
    A crazy idea, this is how all the perverted forms of hazing, which until now cannot be completely eradicated, have entered the army.
    Disciplinary battalions are another matter. They were created including for the destruction of hazing in the army.
    I can’t say anything about the methods of disbath, but upon returning from there, the serviceman regularly performed military service. And even if you contributed to his sending there, then he returned adequately served with weapons and no problems arose with him. It is a completely different matter if a soldier at the preliminary investigation ended up in a pre-trial detention center, and then returned from there, it only got worse.
    Instead of sending criminals to the army, they would create a special prison similar to the disbath for people under 30, which would be aimed at destroying criminal romance and criminal (thieves) laws.
    And it’s so easy to bring this dirt to the army for nothing, this is only an undermining of combat readiness.
  48. company7777
    company7777 20 October 2015 11: 16 New
    +2
    Not a big idea idea !!! Urki will appear in the army, and then discipline will fall, God forbid, not submission and riots will come. stop
  49. Watchdog
    Watchdog 20 October 2015 11: 18 New
    +3
    Here it is necessary to check such initiators in connection with our intelligence services. strategic partners. They had just set up the army, as some kind of people's representative appeared, and let's restore the Khrushchev way of its collapse — the imposition of prison orders in the troops. I am not opposed to re-education, I am not opposed to juvenile delinquents serving in the army, only special units should be created for them, where specialists will monitor their behavior, and in case of deviation from discipline, they should be rejected, in connection with such training, they should be increased service life - proved that everything is not lost with you, that you have a head, you can work, you can obey discipline - go ahead, serve the term, and then, maybe the long term. Then you can still talk. However, will Russia pull such a program today?
    And to put such a miracle in the common barracks and begin ... wassat negative
  50. vsdvs
    vsdvs 20 October 2015 11: 22 New
    +2
    Curriculum Vitae;
    Alexey Didenko was born on March 30, 1983 [1] in the village of Pochapintsy, Lysyansky district, Cherkasy region of the Ukrainian SSR [6] [7]. After birth, he left with his mother in Tomsk, where at that time his father worked and lived - Nikolai Vasilievich Didenko. Nikolai Didenko subsequently gained fame as a Novosibirsk politician [8] [9].

    С 1990 по 1993 год Алексей учился в средней школе №44 города Томска[10], затем в "Русской классической гимназии No. 2", которую окончил в 2000 году[1][11].

    In 2005 he graduated with honors from the Law Institute of Tomsk State University [1]. In the same year, Didenko became the coordinator of the Tomsk regional branch of the Liberal Democratic Party [1].

    In 2007 he was elected as a deputy of the State Duma of the Tomsk Region, and in 2010 - as a deputy of the Duma of the city of Tomsk [1]. Didenko holds the post of chairman of the commission on public safety [6].

    From 2006 to 2008 he was an assistant to the deputy of the State Duma Vladimir Ovsyannikov [6], from 2008 to 2010 - an assistant to the deputy chairman of the State Duma Vladimir Zhirinovsky [6].

    In 2008, he completed full-time postgraduate studies at Tomsk State University [10].

    С 2008 по 2009 годы Диденко работал преподавателем кафедры общетеоритических и правовых дисциплин Западно-Сибирского филиала ГОУ ВПО "Российская академия правосудия"[1].
    Any questions?
    1. mike_z
      mike_z 20 October 2015 11: 34 New
      +2
      Everything is clear ... It is quite exhaustive. Thank!
      ... let me be elected ...
    2. Moore
      Moore 20 October 2015 11: 38 New
      +6
      Alyosha Didenko is a worthy son of his dad - Nikolai-svet-Vasilievich. I had to communicate with the oldest, a mercenary bureaucrat without shame and conscience.
      Полагаю, данный "проект" носит тот же характер, что и, например, знаменитая инициатива ЛДПР о многожёнстве (Алёша в этой партии и состоит - всегда можно увидеть его и остальную юную парт-поросль в виде фона к что-то вещающему Шефу). Главное, надеюсь, в этом выстраданном бессонными ночами проекте - поддержать общую оригинальную партийную линию. А то давно достойных набросов не было.
      And Leshik, of course, did not serve one day in the army (he graduated from Tomsk Law and has been thinking only about Russia since then), which is why he seems to him such a privileged zone of the general regime.
      I suppose that the overtaking major could put in place the State Duma Committee on Defense, raising the question of the professional competence of the author of a brilliant idea.
    3. provincial
      provincial 20 October 2015 11: 43 New
      0
      Khokhlya, there is Khokhlya. Introduced into our system.
    4. ma_shlomha
      ma_shlomha 20 October 2015 13: 06 New
      0
      BRRRRR! Ugh! Chur me !!!