Military Review

Two RTOs will be part of the fleet by the end of the year.

75
Two small rocket ships "Green Dol" and "Serpukhov" (21631 project), built in Tatarstan by Zelenodolsk shipbuilders (Gorky plant) in November, will complete the tests and will become part of the Russian Navy, reports TASS the message of the representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Dygalo.




“Currently, both ships are in the Novorossiysk Naval Base, which provides all the stages of their tests in the sea training grounds. Their tests are carried out by the state commission: a comprehensive check is carried out on the quality of the built ships and on the compliance of their tactical and technical elements with the approved project, ”Dygalo said.

According to the officer, “the crews of the ships were trained at the Joint Training Center of the Navy.”

He recalled that the IRAs of this project “are armed with vertical launchers of a high-precision missile system weapons, allowing to strike cruise missiles at both sea and land targets. "

The features of these ships "are absorbing hull coverings and special design of silhouette planes, which significantly reduces the likelihood of finding them at sea," said the Ministry of Defense representative.
Photos used:
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/
75 comments
Ad

The editorial board of Voenniy Obozreniye urgently needs a proofreader. Requirements: impeccable knowledge of the Russian language, diligence, discipline. Contact: [email protected]

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. insafufa
    insafufa 19 October 2015 14: 02 New
    10
    More to such
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 19 October 2015 14: 05 New
      52

      After the Caspian launches, such a fleet cannot be called a mosquito

      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 19 October 2015 14: 07 New
        14
        Quote: bulvas
        After the Caspian launches, such a fleet cannot be called a mosquito

        Small spool but precious. Let's hope that the enemy, such ships will sting like Mosquitoes))
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 19 October 2015 15: 06 New
          +4
          And it’s better, like a sweet tsetse fly (maybe tsetse, I don’t remember, I only remember that it stings mortally).
          But in fact - there would be more of these babies!
          Something has become alarming in the world.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. Alex1313
          Alex1313 19 October 2015 20: 20 New
          +3
          Small bug, but smelly (in a good way)
      2. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 19 October 2015 14: 15 New
        +6
        да,заряженные "калибром" и быстроходные... отличный подход..
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. bulvas
          bulvas 19 October 2015 14: 36 New
          +4
          So, if you fantasize ...

          It would be interesting to send a couple of these to the Sea of ​​Azov, to Mariupol, for example.

          It’s not necessary to come close to staying in neutral waters (I don’t know how in the Sea of ​​Azov, is there such a thing?), But so that you notice

          So to speak, a demonstration of the flag, so as not to be forgotten.

          Or announce the exercises of RTOs in the Sea of ​​Azov

          As a direct viewer said that after Syria they no longer need to be bombed, and so everyone in their Mr. will not drown


          They need to think about whether they need NATO friends with their bases or not.

          Such RTOs can also enter the Sea of ​​Azov along the Don, if no one will notice such a transition from the Caspian Sea and among river vessels




          What a successful decision, beauty!
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 19 October 2015 17: 46 New
            +2
            One way or another, these ships were in the Sea of ​​Azov, they passed from the Volga through the canal to the Don and further to the Sea of ​​Azov. This is only the beginning, it’s bad that these ships have poor air defense ..
            Quote: bulvas
            So, if you fantasize ...

            It would be interesting to send a couple of these to the Sea of ​​Azov, to Mariupol, for example.

            It’s not necessary to come close to staying in neutral waters (I don’t know how in the Sea of ​​Azov, is there such a thing?), But so that you notice

            So to speak, a demonstration of the flag, so as not to be forgotten.

            Or announce the exercises of RTOs in the Sea of ​​Azov

            As a direct viewer said that after Syria they no longer need to be bombed, and so everyone in their Mr. will not drown


            They need to think about whether they need NATO friends with their bases or not.

            Such RTOs can also enter the Sea of ​​Azov along the Don, if no one will notice such a transition from the Caspian Sea and among river vessels




            What a successful decision, beauty!
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 19 October 2015 18: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: dmi.pris
              it’s bad that these ships have weak air defense

              Nowhere to put. Unless you remodel it into corvettes.
            2. Bochik
              Bochik 19 October 2015 20: 37 New
              0
              Quote: dmi.pris
              One way or another, these ships were in the Sea of ​​Azov, they passed from the Volga through the canal to the Don and further to the Sea of ​​Azov. This is only the beginning, it’s bad that these ships have poor air defense ..

              Чем плохи "Дуэт" и "Игла-М"?
      3. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 19 October 2015 15: 00 New
        +4
        Слишком больно "жалят", причем даже такого слона как авианосец....
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 October 2015 21: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: bulvas
        After the Caspian launches, such a fleet cannot be called a mosquito

        The ships are wonderful and necessary, but we should already start building Leaders and Shkvaly. Until the destroyers are in fact the main striking force of the fleets. And we have the destroyers that are part of the Soviet-built fleets and like any ships they age. Of course, no one canceled the modernization, but the new modernization potential has more, moreover, the realities of new concepts of war require completely new ships capable of solving new problems.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Samaritan
      Samaritan 19 October 2015 14: 13 New
      17
      And on October 9, the Polar Star border patrol ship left Kronstadt and entered the Baltic Sea for sea trials. The lead PSKR project 22100 "Ocean" was laid at JSC "Zelenodolsk plant them. A.M. Gorky "May 30, 2012, and May 21, 2014 was launched. In May this year, the Polar Star via inland waterways was transferred from Zelenodolsk to Kronstadt for testing and subsequent transfer to the customer.
      1. avt
        avt 19 October 2015 15: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Samaritan
        And on October 9, the Polar Star border patrol ship left Kronstadt and entered the Baltic Sea for sea trials.

        И ,,Эссен" прибыл к нему чтоб не скучала ,,Звезда".
    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 19 October 2015 15: 53 New
      11
      А "рулить" таким штатно может капитан 3 ранга, т.е. "гидромайор". Прикольно, всего майор, а шороху может навести на пол-континента и загрузить работой все американские военные прачечные в радиусе полета "Калибра" laughing soldier
    5. VadimSt
      VadimSt 19 October 2015 16: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: insafufa
      More to such
      Ага, а еще недавно, большинство кричало "зачем тратить средства на эти игрушечные кораблики, нам нужен настоящий флот".
      1. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 19 October 2015 17: 41 New
        +4
        Наши люди любят все большое, менталитет такой:) Если пистолет - то 45 калибра, если машина - то чёрный крузак, если корабль - то самый здоровенный:) А если разобраться не спеша, то хватит и 38 калибра, киа спортаджа вполне достаточно и такие "кораблики-москиты" вполне могут нашим усовским партнерам настроение испортить:)
    6. st25310
      st25310 19 October 2015 16: 52 New
      +2
      They wouldn’t be interrupted by MRCs: Sergiev Posad, Kozelsk, Sarov, Arzamas and Murom.
  2. KGB WATCH YOU
    KGB WATCH YOU 19 October 2015 14: 07 New
    +7
    Еще 16 "Калибров" smile
    1. bornikrub
      bornikrub 19 October 2015 14: 51 New
      +3
      Painfully smart.
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 19 October 2015 15: 05 New
      29
      Caliber, like Armata, do Russia's foreign policy:
  3. pilot8878
    pilot8878 19 October 2015 14: 09 New
    +6
    Such news cannot but please. And their twin brothers have already shown themselves to be serious weapons.
  4. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 19 October 2015 14: 11 New
    +3
    More recently, the Americans would not have taken them into account, but now they know their capabilities.
  5. kostya-petrov
    kostya-petrov 19 October 2015 14: 11 New
    +2
    count:
    six RTOs of the 21631 project
    six diesel-electric submarines of the 0636.3 project
    six TFRs of the 11356 project
    and all with Caliber.
    And now we’ll count, if they are all in a salvo, will they be able to drown the US Navy AUG?
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 19 October 2015 14: 24 New
      +5
      4 RTOs (for the New Year 6)
      1 diesel-electric submarine (to NG 2), but even one will not be on duty earlier than the end of spring
      0 TFR (to NG 1)
      1 NPS
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 19 October 2015 14: 31 New
        +3
        Well frigates will be 3: 2 11356 + 1 22350
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 19 October 2015 14: 51 New
          +1
          let's hope
    2. mav1971
      mav1971 19 October 2015 14: 32 New
      0
      Quote: kostya-petrov
      count:

      And now we’ll count, if they are all in a salvo, will they be able to drown the US Navy AUG?


      А теперь попробуйте включить мозг и задуматься: "А они дойдут до акваторий в которых ходят авианосцы США?"

      I understand patriotism as the driving force of a nation.
      Но такой как у вас "уря-изм" - деформация мозга до уровня неандертальца.
      1. aleksfill
        aleksfill 19 October 2015 14: 37 New
        +8
        This is the concern of US aircraft carriers - they don’t go where they don’t ask, they can run into it.
      2. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 19 October 2015 14: 42 New
        +7
        Quote: mav1971
        : "А они дойдут до акваторий в которых ходят авианосцы США?"

        Carriers will reach the water area where they go RTOs Otherwise, they do not need to hell
        Quote: mav1971
        Now try turning on the brain and think:

        yes
      3. demos1111
        demos1111 19 October 2015 17: 18 New
        +6
        As I understand it, in case of war, they will begin to demolish bases in Europe from all seas, crossfire is obtained, aircraft carriers themselves will appear, all the splendor of these ships, the ability to walk on inland waters, including from the depths of the country, try to track down.
        So the aircraft carrier turns out to be such a good target in every sense. As for the submarines, they’ll approach secretly at a distance of 500 km, it’s a fact, they will hit them with missiles and leave.
      4. Karlovar
        Karlovar 19 October 2015 17: 49 New
        +5
        These boats are for the defense of their waters and land .... Nobody is going to drown the US Navy in the Atlantic AUG ...
      5. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 19 October 2015 20: 25 New
        +1
        Why chase AUG around the world? It is quite enough to keep them at a respectable distance, which these boats may well provide.
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 19 October 2015 14: 34 New
      +1
      Well, in principle, to any ship, I think just one direct hit cr. The main thing to get.
    4. Gani
      Gani 19 October 2015 14: 42 New
      14
      Great of course, but
      those who flew to Syria are not intended to launch on AUG, on the contrary, their goal is land-based stationary objects, and those that are anti-ship do not fly so far.
      ... and so far far to parity

      tomahawk carriers:
      23 nuclear submarines of the Los Angeles type, 12 KR;
      18 submarines of the Ohio type, up to 154 KR (for 7 missiles in launchers of drum type for each of the 22 mines from SLBM Trident;
      3 submarines of the Sivulf type, up to 50 charges for torpedo tubes, including cruise missiles;
      9 submarines of the Virginia type, up to 12 KR;
      The British submarine type "Suiftshur" displacement 4900 tons, 5 torpedo tubes, 20 torpedoes and missiles;
      The British submarine type Trafalgar displacement 5200 tons, 5 torpedo tubes, 25 torpedoes and missiles;
      British strike submarine of the Astyut type (2007, the first of four of this class), displacement 7200 / 7800 tons, service life ~ 30 years, 6 torpedo tubes, 48 torpedoes and missiles;
      The 61 destroyer of the “Arly Burke” type is operational, the capacity of two VPU Mk41 of the Aegis system is 90 / 96 cells (depending on the ship series) [27] [28]. In the universal version of armament, the ship carries the 8 Tomahawks, in the shock - 56;
      22 missile cruisers of the “Ticonderoga” type, VPU Mk41 capacity of the Aegis system - 122 cells, typical load - 26 KR “Tomahawk”;
      Since 2016, the launch of 2 new destroyers of the DDG-1000 type with 80 launchers each [27].


      ... вот если б не договор оРСМД тогда нашим "партнерам " наверняка икалось бы сильнее, а так количество носителей можно легко пересчитать и пытаться отслеживать...
      одна надежда что их ("партнеров") передергивает всякий раз, когда видят такие штуки как на картинке- контейнеры с КЛАБами также как МРК не пересчитаешь
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        Eugene-Eugene 19 October 2015 15: 45 New
        +2
        From 2016, the descent of 2 new destroyers of the type DDG-1000 with 80 PU each

        Не "с 2016", а "в 2016": они отказались от продолжения программы строительства Замволтов. Видимо, Мишель Обама сглазила весь их судострой[media=http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1515381.html]
        1. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 19 October 2015 15: 49 New
          +1
          Here is a video about Michel:
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 19 October 2015 18: 55 New
            +5
            Here is a crooked hand, God forgive me. Like her husband’s wife.
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 19 October 2015 20: 29 New
              +2
              She tried hard! And the organizers should have thought about the place where the bottle was broken, so that it would be reliable, and not just beautiful, to break in the first place.
            2. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 19 October 2015 20: 29 New
              0
              She tried hard! And the organizers should have thought about the place where the bottle was broken, so that it would be reliable, and not just beautiful, to break in the first place.
        2. Gani
          Gani 21 October 2015 07: 57 New
          0
          )) but I like Zamvolt - the iron is ugly on the one hand, on the other - it has some futurism in it and it feels that everything is crammed with high technology and the fire (missile) power speaks for itself, and at the same time resembles the ancient armadillos (although the armor there, as I understand it, the cat cried) - steampunk shorter))
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 17: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Gani
        tomahawk carriers:

        Well this is Wikipedia, but in reality they have less of a widow.
        1. Gani
          Gani 21 October 2015 08: 00 New
          0
          Well this is Wikipedia, but in reality they have less of a widow.

          albeit, but still count the carriers and the missiles themselves an order of magnitude more
    5. lelikas
      lelikas 19 October 2015 15: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: kostya-petrov
      And now we’ll count, if they are all in a salvo, will they be able to drown the US Navy AUG?

      They can, but then we will not have them either. Exchange 1k1 at best.
      1. dima mzk
        dima mzk 19 October 2015 17: 24 New
        +2
        and why should they bargain, there, at the boom, the whole ball will fly into open swimming
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 19 October 2015 18: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: dima mzk
          and why should they bargain, there, at the boom, the whole ball will fly into open swimming

          It all depends on the tactical nuclear weapons — if we agree without it — we will lose the fleet very quickly, unlike the Yankees — in them it numerically exceeds ours by three to four times. Simple arithmetic. + The possibility of replenishment - they have no problems with the timing of construction, you can recall their pace during the Second World War.
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 October 2015 14: 12 New
    +3
    And what about the laying of new RTOs of the same project? It seems that they said that they will equip all the fleets. It's time for the BF to lay good
  7. Россия 24
    Россия 24 19 October 2015 14: 14 New
    +2
    No wonder there is a proverb that is small and daring! The news pleased.
  8. GAndr
    GAndr 19 October 2015 14: 14 New
    +5
    Quote: Sirocco
    Quote: bulvas
    After the Caspian launches, such a fleet cannot be called a mosquito

    Small spool but precious. Let's hope that the enemy, such ships will sting like Mosquitoes))

    Here all the salt is not in size, it’s kind of like a mosquito, well, that is, a mosquito, and it’s a damn thing like a fucked hornet. In fact, a boat with the combat capabilities of a destroyer, if not a missile cruiser ... This is what I understand as an asymmetric response to all kinds of AUGs and ..
  9. barclay
    barclay 19 October 2015 14: 17 New
    +1
    После "каспийского фейерверка" к таким корабликам можно относиться намного серьезней. Маленький, но сильный кулак.
  10. Maksus
    Maksus 19 October 2015 14: 18 New
    +1
    Not bad, but ... Caliber’s problem is speed - it’s subsonic, that is, it makes sense to use it for stationary purposes, it’s already hard to hit an active maneuvering ship. Now, if there was supersonic, then the aircraft carriers would instantly be blown away.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 19 October 2015 14: 23 New
      +8
      Caliber’s problem is speed - it’s subsonic, that is, it makes sense to use it for stationary purposes, actively maneuvering ship is already hard to hit

      Don't you find it strange that this only confuses you? Although the real flight range of 3M54 is unknown (I think there are definitely 500-600 kilometers there), it is known for certain that the third stage is supersonic there - almost 3 Mach.
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 19 October 2015 14: 50 New
        -1
        Yeah, and the 91RTE2 has a speed of 2,5 M, but with a launch range of only 40 km - and this is already not sporty, even somewhat suicidal.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 19 October 2015 15: 05 New
          +2
          Yeah, and the 91RTE2 has a speed of 2,5 M, but with a launch range of only 40 km - and this is already not sporty, even somewhat suicidal.

          Please, explain what is so unsportsmanlike (by the way, it is spelled) and suicidal. hi
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 19 October 2015 15: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Wiruz
            Please, explain what is so unsportsmanlike (by the way, it is spelled) and suicidal.

            Submariners must be loved;)))) and kill themselves immediately when noise is detected!
        2. Talgat
          Talgat 19 October 2015 19: 37 New
          0
          with a caliber with a supersonic part, the range is not 40 and they wrote 220 everywhere - google

          At the same time, the flight, as usual, is done in subsonic mode - and at 20 km a supersonic warhead detaches and attacks the ship

          220 is quite a competitive range - for most of the anti-ship missiles, the range is less
    2. Shmal_
      Shmal_ 19 October 2015 15: 06 New
      +1
      At the last stage of the flight, the Caliber accelerates from 0,8 to 3 Machs! Also, I am sure that it can be used for marine purposes.
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 19 October 2015 15: 16 New
        +3
        At the last stage of the flight, the Caliber accelerates from 0,8 to 3 Machs! Also, I am sure that it can be used for marine purposes.

        Congratulations on your internet connection hi
    3. avt
      avt 19 October 2015 15: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Maksus
      Not bad, but ... Caliber’s problem is speed - it’s subsonic, that is, it makes sense to use it for stationary purposes, it’s already hard to hit an actively maneuvering ship

      laughing А корабли активно маневрируют на третьей космической с отрывом от земной орбиты ??Вы часом это не после просмотра японского мультика про космический линкор ,,Ямато" писали ?
      Quote: Maksus
      . Now, if supersonic,

      But it doesn't suggest anything - why is such a difference in distance declared? On the coast beyond 1500 km, and on sea targets -300?
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 19 October 2015 15: 49 New
        +1
        But it doesn't suggest anything - why is such a difference in distance declared? On the coast beyond 1500 km, and on sea targets -300?

        Меня, кстати, тоже посещала мысля, что для "себэ" есть два Калибра - полностью сверхзвуковой и тот что только на последнем участке what
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 19 October 2015 16: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Wiruz
          But it doesn't suggest anything - why is such a difference in distance declared? On the coast beyond 1500 km, and on sea targets -300?

          Меня, кстати, тоже посещала мысля, что для "себэ" есть два Калибра - полностью сверхзвуковой и тот что только на последнем участке what


          Does the difference in aerodynamics for subsonic (for Caliber) and supersonic (for Onyx) mean nothing?
          there cannot be one missile with different basic characteristics for itself and for a stranger.
          There can only be ... two ... completely ... different ... missiles ...
  11. kvapu1976
    kvapu1976 19 October 2015 14: 23 New
    +1
    Get the geyropeyskie dunce. The Americans of you have made a good target.
  12. remy
    remy 19 October 2015 14: 42 New
    +1
    we would have to revive the production of BOD pr. 1155.1 in an upgrade from pr. 22350/11356 ...
    destroyers needed!
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 19 October 2015 15: 14 New
      +2
      we would have to revive the production of BOD pr. 1155.1 in an upgrade from pr. 22350/11356 ...
      destroyers needed!

      Honestly, I can’t imagine what BOD 1155,1 should look like in an upgrade (and what a wonderful word) from 22350 ... But I can’t but agree that the destroyers are needed, and urgently.

      Моё видение решения данной проблемы: в топку все фантазии о 15-килотонном ядерном исполине аля-Киров; создание 9-10-килотонного неядерного эсминца на базе 22350 с 32/48 ячейками УКСК и 32/48 ячейками С-400/С-500 (про плюшки типа А-130, Панцири и Пакеты и говорить не надо, т.к. они "по умолчанию").

      And most importantly, such destroyers need to be built massively and INSTEAD OF frigates 22350, and NOT TOGETHER with them. Let there be only 2 types of multipurpose ships: corvettes 20380/20385/20386 for the near sea zone and these same destroyers for the distant sea and ocean bully goodhi
  13. IAlex
    IAlex 19 October 2015 15: 10 New
    0
    Что то у нас в стране все стало "Объединенным"...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 19 October 2015 15: 19 New
      +1
      Что то у нас в стране все стало "Объединенным"...

      Well, even grandfather Lenin gave the command to unite laughing
  14. bmv04636
    bmv04636 19 October 2015 15: 41 New
    +3
    Kremlin: Russia will be a subcontractor for the supply of helicopters to the Egyptian Mistral
    19 October 2015, 14: 27
    Russia will be a subcontractor for the supply of equipment and helicopters to the Egyptian Mistrals worth over $ 1 billion, the head of the Kremlin administration, Sergei Ivanov, said.
    “Russia will be, if you will, a subcontractor that will supply the missing equipment to these Mistrals, without which Mistral, excuse me, is a tin can. And, of course, all helicopters, which in total will amount to over a billion dollars for sure, ”Ivanov said, RIA Novosti reports.
    On October 10, Paris and Cairo signed a contract for the purchase by Egypt of two Mistral-type helicopter carriers previously intended for Russia.
    Oh how the Mistals came in handy. laughing
    1. avt
      avt 19 October 2015 16: 31 New
      +4
      Quote: bmv04636
      Russia will be a subcontractor for the supply of equipment and helicopters to the Egyptian Mistrals worth over $ 1 billion, the head of the Kremlin administration, Sergei Ivanov, said.

      It’s not without reason, especially considering WHEN the Franks are going to hand over the ships to the Egyptians. Something tells me that the Egyptians will have to recruit crews with us, and they can come with the St. Andrew flag.
  15. Manul
    Manul 19 October 2015 15: 55 New
    +6
    I remember the people the appearance of the next RTOs was already beginning to be greeted with hostility - how much can such a trifle be produced, you give destroyers ... And now listen to the general tone of the statements? What respect these kids won! Hats off to developers, designers and shipbuilders! hi
    1. avt
      avt 19 October 2015 16: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Manul
      I remember the people the appearance of the next RTOs was already beginning to meet with hostility - how much can such a trifle be produced,

      laughing Yeah - where's his air defense at least 300th? And how will he fight off submarines? laughing
      1. Manul
        Manul 19 October 2015 16: 41 New
        +4
        Air defense, submarines .. Watchdogs graze nearby. Let's blame the torpedo boats for weak air defense wink And let the enemy still try to catch a dozen RTOs. It’s easier to fuck one destroyer.
        As I understand it, I’ve slowed down a little, and it was pure sacasm repeat
        1. avt
          avt 19 October 2015 17: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: Manul
          As I understand it, I’ve slowed down a little, and it was pure sacasm

          Это были мои воспоминания о претензиях к данному проекту астральных флотоводцев требующих прикупить кликом гаджет для ,,боя" laughing
  16. AUL
    AUL 19 October 2015 17: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: kostya-petrov
    count:
    six RTOs of the 21631 project
    six diesel-electric submarines of the 0636.3 project
    six TFRs of the 11356 project
    and all with Caliber.
    And now we’ll count, if they are all in a salvo, will they be able to drown the US Navy AUG?

    They can’t.
    Калибр, предназначеный для стрельбы по надводным целям, имеет дальность "всего" 300 км. А кто же его подпустит к АУГ на такое расстояние, у них зона обороны порядка 500 км.
    The range of 2600 km - this is when working on ground, stationary targets.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 18: 06 New
      +1
      About AUGi-Varshavyanka there ....
  17. mosquit
    mosquit 19 October 2015 17: 34 New
    +1
    The features of these ships “are absorbing hull coatings and a special design of silhouette planes, which significantly reduces the probability of finding them at sea, ”said a spokesman for the Ministry of Defense.

    Ну зачем уподобляться "избранным"...
    Не в "невидимости" суть данных кораблей, а в номенклатуре вооружения... hi
  18. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 19 October 2015 20: 27 New
    0
    Если наш "москитный флот " показал такие способности , то надеюсь у фрегатов они будут побольше в разы , да и "черные дыры " свое слово еще скажут .Ой не советую "партнерам" даже взглядом косить в сторону России .
  19. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2015 09: 51 New
    0
    Quote: dmi.pris
    it’s bad that these ships have weak air defense ..

    These are river-sea ships. They basically do not need coastal action and air defense, since they would have to act in the coverage area of ​​land defense systems or in areas where the enemy does not have an advantage in aviation.

    Quote: Bochik
    Чем плохи "Дуэт" и "Игла-М"?

    Range and speed limit (for Needle)

    Quote: katalonec2014
    More recently, the Americans would not have taken them into account, but now they know their capabilities.

    Well, even now they don’t take them into account especially, do not console yourself with this thought.
    Неожиданность удара по ИГИЛ с Каспия - да, это было, особенно для СМИ. Никто просто не ожидал, что Иран и Ирак даст разрешение на использование своего воздушного пространства. А ТТХ наши "заклятые друзья" знают, как экспортных (со 100% гарантией), так и для ВС России (здесь данные не 100%, но рассчитываемые). Рассчитывать, что такие корабли смогут выходить в океан или в то же Средиземное - достаточно глупо. Если в средиземное и пойдут, то от безысходности, если других не будет, более серьезных)

    Quote: kostya-petrov
    count:
    six RTOs of the 21631 project
    six diesel-electric submarines of the 0636.3 project
    six TFRs of the 11356 project
    and all with Caliber.
    And now we’ll count, if they are all in a salvo, will they be able to drown the US Navy AUG?

    If you put the ACG at a distance of 100-150 km from the Russian coast, transfer everything to the Black Sea, forbid the Americans to use weapons, equip all this exclusively with anti-ship missiles - yes, they will drown. In reality, especially not in the Black Sea (AUG, or rather an aircraft carrier, will not go there due to the prohibition of the entry of warships with a nuclear power plant into the Black (as well as into the Baltic) sea - this is impossible in principle, drowning of AUG

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Well this is Wikipedia, but really they have less widow

    В реальности действительно меньше. Можно сразу убрать английские лодки. Количество "Огайо" с КР не 18, как написано, а 4. По эсминцам и крейсерам - да, данные соответствуют действительности. Самый большой плюс американских эсминцев в том, что может варьироваться количество зенитных и крылатых ракет. Если в многоцелевом варианте их 8, то в ударном - 56. Возьмите 3 эсминца, два из них оснастите КР по максимуму, а один сделайте полностью ПВО, то количество на каждом из двух уже будет не 56, а значительно больше...
    У нас, к сожалению, количество КР на надводных кораблях в основном 8, максимум 16, на лодках вообще 4 (пуск через ТА). В отличии от американских лодок, где есть ВПУ на 12 "топоров". Увы, но "Амур-1650" у нас не пошел. А там должна была быть уже ВПУ на 10 КР

    Quote: Maksus
    Yeah, and the 91RTE2 has a speed of 2,5 M, but with a launch range of only 40 km - and this is already not sporty, even somewhat suicidal.

    Well, actually this is somewhat from a different direction - anti-submarine ... Shooting anti-submarine on the NK is creative, but stupid ...
  20. The comment was deleted.
  21. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2015 09: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Wiruz
    Меня, кстати, тоже посещала мысля, что для "себэ" есть два Калибра - полностью сверхзвуковой и тот что только на последнем участке

    Нет у нас "полностью сверхзвукового" Калибра. Есть только или дозвуковой противокорабельный, или дозвуковой со сверхзвуковой скоростью. Был бы "сверхзвуковой" вариант" Калибра" - нафиг было бы городить универсальные ПУ, рассчитанные на "Калибр" и "Оникс". Сделали бы только под "Калибр" - поместилось бы к тому же больше на каждом корабле

    Quote: Shmal_
    At the last stage of the flight, the Caliber accelerates from 0,8 to 3 Machs! Also, I am sure that it can be used for marine purposes.

    And he accelerates. But not the one that was shot at ISIS, but the anti-ship, which has a range of about 370-400 km. Unfortunately, the OCD was merged and the general was named CALIBER. Were it not - there would be no confusion. Anti-ship would go under the name TURQUOISEwinged for shooting along the shore - CALIBER. And then most begin to get confused in these CALIBER


    Quote: remy
    we would have to revive the production of BOD pr. 1155.1 in an upgrade from pr. 22350/11356 ...
    destroyers needed!

    Не представляю, как это будет выглядить. Наше военно морское начальство говорило, что будут их модернизировать, оставшиеся еще в живых. Но как - ХЗ. Похоже ничего сверхъестественного не будут делать, корпус не затронут. Возможно вместо противолодочных ракет поставят "Оникс"/"Калибр" - но это временная мера, т.к. эсминцев не хватает, а с этими новыми комплексами, хоть эсминцы по ударному вооружению напоминать будут. Правда ПЛО при этом будет помножено на ноль
  22. Termit1309
    Termit1309 21 October 2015 11: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Old26
    Возможно вместо противолодочных ракет поставят "Оникс"/"Калибр" - но это временная мера, т.к. эсминцев не хватает, а с этими новыми комплексами, хоть эсминцы по ударному вооружению напоминать будут. Правда ПЛО при этом будет помножено на ноль

    As far as I remember, anti-submarine missiles are part of the Caliber system what