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Half of Europe and part of Asia received statehood from the hands of Russia (USSR)

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Half of Europe and part of Asia received statehood from the hands of Russia (USSR)It gave an unexpected post on your Facebook Veikko Korhonen from Oulu (Finland).


The "results of the aggression" of Russia - half of Europe and part of Asia gained statehood from the hands of Russia (USSR) !!!

Let us remember who it:

- Finland in 1802 and 1918. Until 1802, it never had its own state.

- Latvia in 1918 (before 1918, never had its own state).

- Estonia in 1918 (before 1918, never had its own state).

- Lithuania restored statehood in 1918 also thanks to Russia.

- Poland restored with the help of Russia twice, in 1918 and 1944. The division of Poland between the USSR and Germany is only a short episode!

- Romania was born as a result of the Russian-Turkish wars, and became sovereign by the will of Russia in 1877 – 1878.

- Moldova as a state was born inside the USSR.

- Bulgaria as a state was born as a result of Russian victory weapons in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, which had its purpose. As a thank you, the state of Bulgaria in the two world wars participated in the anti-Russian coalitions. Now Bulgaria is a member of NATO, and US bases are located on its territory. After 1945, there was not a single Russian soldier on its territory ...

- Serbia as a sovereign state was also born as a result of this war.

- Azerbaijan as a state took shape for the first time only as part of the USSR.

- Armenia was physically preserved and revived as a state only as part of the USSR.

- Georgia was preserved physically and was revived as a state only as part of the USSR.

- Turkmenistan has never had statehood and formed it only as part of the USSR.

- Kyrgyzstan never had statehood and formed it only as part of the USSR.

- Kazakhstan never had a statehood and formed it only as part of the USSR.

- Mongolia never had a statehood and formed it only with the help of the USSR.

- Belarus and Ukraine also gained statehood for the first time as a consequence of the Great October Revolution within the USSR. And in 1991, full independence.

If we take into account the role of Russia-USSR in the birth and formation of such states as the PRC, Vietnam, North Korea, India, Greece, the Turks were beaten off by Russia in the distant 1821 year, Algeria, Cuba, Israel, Angola, Mozambique, etc. something strange "aggression" from Russia! "

Saving the author's spelling.

Add comment from Dmitry Marchenko (itself a comment below, but it's more convenient to read, as an extension):

Switzerland reclaimed independence from France Suvorov 217 years ago, since then they have never (!) Is not at war;

- The liberation of Austria from the Third Reich 1945;

- The liberation of Czechoslovakia from the Third Reich 1945;

- The position of Catherine II in 1780 with the creation of the League of Armed Neutrality and the actual support of the North American United States contributed to the defeat of England and the attainment of US independence .;

- Twice in the last 2 centuries, Russia granted independence to most European countries by grinding the armies of the dictators Napoleon and Hitler;

- Stalin's position in negotiations with the United States and Britain gave Germany the opportunity to maintain statehood after the defeat of the Third Reich in 1945 .;

- The position of Gorbachev allowed Germany to reunite without problems in 1990;

- Without the help of the USSR, Egypt could not survive and consolidate its independence in the war with Israel, Britain, France in 1956-57, in 1967 the intervention of the USSR stopped the war of Israel with Egypt, in fact saved the Arabs from defeat in two wars in 1967-74 years

- Angola won its independence to 1975 only thanks to the USSR;

- Most of the colonies of Western Europe gained their independence thanks to the world movement of decolonization after the Second World War, in which the USSR played the main role

All история Russia says that it was consistent with any authority in upholding the principles of independence and self-determination of nations and peoples, and helped in every way the creation of a multipolar world in any era. And very often, unfortunately, at the same time sacrificed their own interests as a state and its population.

If our policy were similar to the British, now half the world would be in the Russian Imperial Commonwealth of Nations, and the Russian people would swim in luxury, like the sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, at the expense of countries liberated from other colonizers.
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  1. Thomas I do not believe40
    Thomas I do not believe40 20 October 2015 05: 50 New
    -14
    Our shoot (Russia) has always ripened.
    1. 740
      740 20 October 2015 05: 53 New
      -20
      Quote: Thomas do not believe40
      Our shoot (Russia) has always ripened.

      And what do we have from this now? crying
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 20 October 2015 06: 14 New
        42
        Well, if you want to have something from this, then you need to be an Englishman or an American. They do everything in order to fuck something. Another philosophy.
        1. Vadim12
          Vadim12 20 October 2015 06: 25 New
          +7
          In the current realities, "another philosophy", I mean harder, would not be superfluous, at least from a material point of view.
        2. 740
          740 20 October 2015 06: 31 New
          -22
          Quote: Jack-B
          Well, if you want to have something from this, then you need to be an Englishman or an American. They do everything in order to fuck something. Another philosophy.

          Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian, who will do good to someone, and in return, after a while, he gets spits, curses and insults.
          1. Jack-b
            Jack-b 20 October 2015 06: 43 New
            +6
            Quote: 740
            Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian, who will do good to someone, and in return, after a while, he gets spits, curses and insults.

            It’s neither cold nor hot from their spitting. Does it hurt you?
            1. 740
              740 20 October 2015 06: 50 New
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              Quote: Jack-B
              Does it hurt you?

              Yes, I’m very glad that the fins are glued from the retaliatory sanctions, the gentry is also bent + the refugees begin to frighten them. Moldova is in a fever, it’s also not bad. with refugees will begin to tear each other to pieces. The main productive draw. And the Russian Federation stand aside and watch with a calm view of what is happening and not interfere.
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 07: 46 New
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                and the Russian people would bathe in luxury, like the sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, at the expense of the countries liberated from other colonialists.

                And why is it always the exact opposite ????? repeat
                1. 740
                  740 20 October 2015 13: 32 New
                  +3
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  and the Russian people would bathe in luxury, like the sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, at the expense of the countries liberated from other colonialists.

                  And why is it always the exact opposite ????? repeat

                  And hell knows.foolFools probably rule us, and we, apparently, are no better.
                2. RBLip
                  RBLip 20 October 2015 16: 30 New
                  +5
                  Quote: afdjhbn67
                  And why is it always the exact opposite ?????

                  Our plan is like that. God and I are in the soul. and he is with us.
                3. The stranger
                  The stranger 21 October 2015 04: 19 New
                  +2
                  Yes, everything is in order, do not be killed.
                  It's just that people and peoples who live within their means live like this. Only thieves live much better.
                  And as you know - thieves live well, but not often. Well, in three years, with normal working hours.
                  And when they sort it out, they remain just a splinter in the EGE.
                  Do you often meet with the Romans? With spruce, Napoleonic, Hitlerites?
                  There it is. We lived - and died. But others fly to the stars.
                  Well, not in one life. Well, not right away, and not easy. But their road goes to the stars, and not to pop pop-dogs.
                  If to reassure you - from what time do you guess who ruled the states and small Britain during the time of Hitler and Stalin? There it is. The whole world does not forget real figures, but sweeps pop music.
                  So tomorrow they will leave them crooked letters in computers, like Latin in medicine, that's all.
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 07: 40 New
            +6
            Quote: 740
            Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian, who will do good to someone, and in return, after a while, he gets spits, curses and insults.


            We are so good that it is time to take this title from the "chosen of God" .. laughing
            1. 740
              740 20 October 2015 13: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              We are so good that it is time to take this title from the "chosen of God" ..

              They will not sell this title.
          3. sssla
            sssla 20 October 2015 09: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: 740
            Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian, who will do good to someone, and in return, after a while, he gets spits, curses and insults.

            Do good and throw right into the water!
            1. 740
              740 20 October 2015 13: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: sssla
              Quote: 740
              Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian, who will do good to someone, and in return, after a while, he gets spits, curses and insults.

              Do good and throw right into the water!

              It’s better not to do any good to anyone.
              1. Oper6300
                Oper6300 20 October 2015 16: 45 New
                +5
                But our "partners" are kissing passionately - found in ukronet.
                Pride in Victoria over various Papuans is especially funny.

                Hello. I am an American occupier. This is my profession. It happened historically.
                Once upon a time I arrived from Europe and occupied the northern part of the American continent. In a place where there were only wigwams and endless prairies, I built huge cities in which there are multi-storey buildings, schools, universities, hospitals and offices of the largest world companies. I occupied Texas and California, taking them from Mexico. Now they are producing oil and creating the best films in the world. I occupied Alaska, ruthlessly buying it from the former owners, and there they began to mine gold.

                I occupied Japan. Now this small country in the Pacific Islands is one of the world's leading economies. I occupied the countries of Western Europe when they were in chaos and devastation after the World War. Now they produce the best cars in the world, and the countries themselves are the undisputed leaders in terms of living standards. I occupied South Korea. Now they develop and create the latest computers and software.

                I wanted to occupy North Korea, but they told me that it’s impossible. And I politely did not do this. Now its population works 14 hours a day and eats grass with sweet bread. I wanted to occupy Vietnam, but they told me that it’s not possible. And I politely did not do this. Now this country lives on handouts from foreign tourists, and most of its population has left to work on construction sites in European cities. I occupied Somalia to end the war there, but they asked me to leave - and I left. Now, armed thugs terrorizing the local population and sailing merchant ships rule there. I occupied Iraq, seated the local warring clans at the negotiating table, and helped many countries develop the oil industry there. But I was asked to leave from there - and I left. Now there ISIS religious fanatics are planting medieval orders and cutting their heads to everyone who disagrees with them.

                And you know what? “I'm not going to apologize for being an occupier!” Yes, I’m an occupier by right of birth. I know the device of the M16 rifle better than the device of the nipples for milk. I am an aggressor and bloodthirsty. Be afraid!

                It was I who endured the colonial regime of the British Empire - and where is this empire now? It was I who repelled the bombing of Hirohito's aircraft - and where is Hirohito now? It was me the Soviet Union threatened to show "Kuz'ka's mother", fucking with a cheap boot on the podium - and where is the Salfet Union now?

                I am an occupier, but almost no one realizes this in the world, therefore it was all who came to me to find a job to come to me. Einstein, Tesla, von Braun, Sikorsky, Brin - there was enough space for everyone!
                I was, is and will be an American occupier - I don't need someone else's, but I will never give mine to anyone. I don't need your hypocritical spirituality - the right to eat and be proud of it. To be a human being, I don't need your ephemeral sovereign democracy, your two-faced concepts and all that you call traditional "values" are alien to me - degradation, vices, deception, endless anger and resentment towards everyone around. I have other interests. The American person is more interested in space, education, medicine, science and the development of the creative abilities of each person.

                The American man created the Internet, television and much more, because the American person is interested in creating.
                This is my last cowboy warning.
                Do not get in my way - I build the world, I love the world, but I know how to fight better than anyone
                1. 740
                  740 20 October 2015 17: 39 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Oper6300
                  But our "partners" are kissing passionately - found in ukronet.

                  These (south-western neighbors) are ready to lick, suck and substitute anyone's ass, if only they would give more money. am
                2. asher
                  asher 21 October 2015 14: 29 New
                  0
                  if the word fight is replaced by the word crap, then the author of the vile opus is right
                  1. Spnsr
                    Spnsr 13 May 2017 14: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: asher
                    if the word fight is replaced by the word crap, then the author of the vile opus is right

                    Or add to the word fight with the Papuans, then also will not be mistaken
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 20 October 2015 13: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: sssla
              Do good and throw right into the water!

              With a stone around his neck.
          4. Shuttle
            Shuttle 20 October 2015 17: 25 New
            0
            Quote: 740
            Quote: Jack-B
            Well, if you want to have something from this, then you need to be an Englishman or an American. They do everything in order to fuck something. Another philosophy.

            Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian, who will do good to someone, and in return, after a while, he gets spits, curses and insults.

        3. anip
          anip 20 October 2015 09: 18 New
          12
          Is it really bad? They live for themselves, for their countries. (and live well), and do not climb with the help and write-off of billions of dollars of debt to all countries. But the Russian Federation writes off billions to all Africans, makes discounts to all Ukrainians, neither the penalty nor the compensation for lost profits has been squeezed out from the French, but on the other hand, the Kremlin’s judges are doing well with their skins.
          When will their people start helping?
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 10: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: anip
            When will their people start helping?

            Ivanitch bend us then it will be easier ... we whisper in the comments and to the machine. laughing moreover, Ukraine can now not look inside the country from the Maidan instead of getting vaccinated, but immediately they’ll take up the whole world ... geopolitics, and then again why did they read such articles, who helped, but do we need ???
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 October 2015 13: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: Jack-B
          then you need to be an Englishman or an American.

          And in Russian how? Do good and apologize? Correctly 740 said - what do we have? And we have hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers, and spit from the saved countries.
        5. Oper6300
          Oper6300 20 October 2015 16: 29 New
          +1
          Well, if you are so kind, why not in Syria? It's good to be kind at the expense of someone ...
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 20 October 2015 11: 35 New
        -1
        Are you 740, banker or Anglo-Saxon?
        1. 740
          740 20 October 2015 13: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: NordUral
          Are you 740, banker or Anglo-Saxon?

          Quote: NordUral
          You, my friend, better talk about the States.

          You go sell your car, and denyuzhki passed to the starving children of Africa.
        2. RBLip
          RBLip 20 October 2015 16: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: NordUral
          Are you 740, banker or Anglo-Saxon?

          you know ... I was asked the same question when I asked about denyuzhka, which Russia allocated to Ukrainians (3 raccoon watermelons). and minus with terrible force. and where are these minusers now? and "brothers" as it is not quite "brothers". so the colleague is 740 right. Is it time to think about your shirt?
      3. Oper6300
        Oper6300 20 October 2015 12: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: 740
        And what do we have now

        Quote from the author
        actually saved the Arabs from defeat

        Well, the Arabs are terribly grateful to us - Khattab, Abu al-Walid, Abu Hafs al-Urdani, Abu Kuteyb, Abu Umar, Abu Dzeyt, Muhannad - thankful to have no numbers.
    2. Finches
      Finches 20 October 2015 05: 59 New
      +2
      All educated people know this, but the gray mass rules!
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 20 October 2015 06: 12 New
        +1
        You cleverly divided Ek into educated and grays. Well, let’s finally put all the points over i: the creative class and cattle-catchers.
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 October 2015 06: 18 New
          +3
          It seems to me that you distort and education has nothing to do with creative classes, as well as cattle, it does not! This concept is from a completely different category! hi
          1. Jack-b
            Jack-b 20 October 2015 06: 46 New
            +3
            Let's rephrase my thought. I consider it vicious to divide everything into black and white.
            1. Finches
              Finches 20 October 2015 08: 40 New
              +1
              I had a bit of something wrong and wrote it a little lower.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 20 October 2015 06: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        All educated people know this, but the gray mass rules!

        Let's decide: whom do you consider to be educated people, and who are the gray mass? And why does the gray mass rule? In my opinion, now those who consider themselves educated are at the helm (the gray mass, quilted jackets, do not think so, despite the education of several higher and candidate, doctoral ones - this does not give the right to be called educated).
        1. Finches
          Finches 20 October 2015 08: 39 New
          +3
          I meant by the "gray mass" of people of the conformal type. This type of people, and there are a lot of them, not necessarily people with low intelligence or completely uneducated, by no means, but for the most part they have pronounced features that are well described in psychiatry, these are:

          - stereotyped thinking;
          - conservatism in political and any other views;
          - distrust of everything new, unexpected;
          - lack of initiative ... etc.

          Controlled people who are carriers of someone else's will and performers of other people's interests! They live by the rules, because it's so calm and comfortable ... Do you understand me? This is what I had under the "gray mass"

          Best regards hi
    3. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 20 October 2015 06: 05 New
      +1
      Nda .. good things cannot be done without Us! smile
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 20 October 2015 11: 33 New
      0
      You, my friend, better talk about the States.
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 20 October 2015 15: 36 New
      +4
      I agree with everything except one - Kazakhstan had statehood. Prior to being included in the Russian Empire, the lands that now belong to the territory of modern Kazakhstan were inhabited exclusively by Kazakh tribes, not Uzbeks, not Russian, not Kyrgyz, nor anyone else, due to the natural, climatic circumstances that make it possible to engage exclusively in cattle breeding in these territories , since most of the country is the steppe. The Kazakh ethnos was formed as a result of a mixture of Turkic and Mongolian tribes inhabiting the Golden Horde. These tribes first split into the White Horde, then into the Nomadic state of the Uzbeks (not related to the Sarts of Uzbekistan), but from there they created the Kazakh Khanate. If you doubt that the Kazakh state existed, read at least the correspondence of Catherine, Elizabeth and other representatives of the royal families and the governorship up to the Dzungarian raids and petition for citizenship, or at least the works of prominent representatives of Russian historical science and historiography.
    6. venaya
      venaya 20 October 2015 16: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Thomas do not believe40
      ... ... ( (Russia) ripened everywhere.

      You know, in some ways you are right. Anyone who was in the capital of Finland, Helsinki, he could notice that the city itself is very similar to little Petersburg. Right in the center of the capital there is a huge monument to Tsar-Liberator Alexander II, similar in size to Russia, no longer exists, and if you recall Finland itself, it was captured only once, starting from the XIV century, and naturally the Swedes. The article and the questions raised in the article are gaining increasing attention, in connection with the latest developments in the world. In this regard, it is again worth recalling that in pre-Petrine times Russia used the calendar according to which it is now 7524 summer, this oldest calendar, and judging by the signs left of precisely Russian culture in the entire Eurasian continent, a few monographs are not enough to develop this topic , it’s time to open a whole direction in historical science. True, who will give it? Too much, too many today's forces, it will be across the throat, and they will abandon all their forces (unlimited) to destroy even the smallest attempts to open the veil of this seriously hidden secret.
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  2. Rus_lan
    Rus_lan 20 October 2015 05: 52 New
    -38
    AUTHOR BOLD MINUS
    1. Jack-b
      Jack-b 20 October 2015 06: 10 New
      +6
      Well, if you consider yourself an author, then you were not mistaken))
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 20 October 2015 06: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Rus_lan
      AUTHOR BOLD MINUS

      You too. It is clear for what or explain?
    3. PiP
      PiP 20 October 2015 07: 34 New
      +2
      AUTHOR BOLD MINUS

      Justify, I'm interested in your opinion. It’s just that they are going to bite you now and there will be a secret. Maybe there is some kind of inaccuracy in the article? Or a lie?
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 20 October 2015 08: 31 New
        +6
        What is there to justify?
        Kazakhstan-never had statehood .... so in the article.
        This is generally true. In particular, no.
        Uzbekistan, for example, is from there. Until 1924, on the site of present-day Uzbekistan, in the middle, etc. centuries there was a mass of all states-powers, the Bukhara emirate, the Kakandy khanate (from where, by the way, Babur was asked, but he, not a sucker, moved to India and there formed the Great Mughal state. Therefore, India should be grateful to the statehood of the Kokand khanate)
        Such oddities come out.
        The Golden Horde can also be said to restore the statehood of Russia. Not Kievan, only (and thank God), but Muscovite Russia.
        .
        Such sections of history are good only at a given, specific, deterministic moment. A century or two, no more. Better still less.
        ....
        ".. and the Russian people would bathe in luxury," - I almost fell off my chair from this pearl.
        I directly imagined Sukhov surrounded by a bunch of women .... sheikh. pancake.
        Then this Imperial Commonwealth would collapse with a bang, in the same 1917-1918, and Russia would be much worse than even in 1991 the Union.
        Well him, this is the Commonwealth.
        .
        As they say - against whom we are friends today.
        The answer is always the same - against Russia.
        Cause
        1. ig0r135
          ig0r135 20 October 2015 11: 45 New
          +2
          Bukhara emirate, Kokand khanate (will be more true), how long they existed to have any meaning. As for the Golden Horde, there is a lot of verbiage and misinformation from Western sources. In the 17-18 centuries, there was a massive landing of Western scientists in the Russian Empire, who were invited by Catherine and many of the documents stored in the archives were rewritten and manipulated, as it is beneficial to the West. But over time, it turned out that many original documents were preserved in the family estates of the Russian princes, counts and many influential nobles. Here is the reason for the First World War, and then for the coup in Russia. Few people know that on the territory occupied by Russia, there was a cradle of a white race.
          1. Bashibuzuk
            Bashibuzuk 20 October 2015 16: 38 New
            0
            Namesake 135, hello.
            In my comment I did not touch upon historical authenticity. Just an example.
            Babur could not sit on the throne to Kokand, but he became the Great Mughal. Figure.
            The Golden Horde ... well, so as not to go into any details. A light brush stroke, so to speak.
            .
            And about the cradle - I know.
            And the Kola Peninsula, and Arkaim .... and the dialects of Tver, indistinguishable from Sanskrit.
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 20 October 2015 23: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: Bashibuzuk
              And the Kola Peninsula, and Arkaim .... and the dialects of Tver, indistinguishable from Sanskrit.


              Arkaim ... Do you know what language and how it is translated? The ridge from the Turkic language means ... But there is the ridge of the Ural Mountains ...
        2. Aposlya
          Aposlya 20 October 2015 23: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          Kazakhstan-never had statehood .... so in the article.

          From the 15th century, in fact, and before entering the Russian Empire, the Kazakhs had their own statehood ... And before that, immediately after the death of Genghis Khan, the state of Mogulistan was part of what is now Kazakhstan. Well, before that, the state of the Karakhanids ... Well and so on ...
          So in the poppycock article it is written ...
      2. Rus_lan
        Rus_lan 20 October 2015 09: 53 New
        +4
        In terms of raising patriotic feelings, the article is super, and in terms of history, of course, a one-sided direction is outlined at the philistine level.
        1. dauria
          dauria 20 October 2015 10: 24 New
          +4
          set out at the philistine level.


          Very true noticed.
          So this is propaganda, this is how it should be done. Patriotic and "simple-understandable". And even such a simple look from the "other" side will confound (by the way, also propaganda):
          "The United States, having collapsed the USSR, gave freedom, independence and statehood to Moldova, Belarus, Ukraine ... and further down the list"
    4. The stranger
      The stranger 21 October 2015 04: 48 New
      0
      Well yes. Moreover, it’s obvious that it’s never once a Finn, but a young Russian.
  3. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 20 October 2015 06: 05 New
    +7
    Gratitude is not to be expected from anyone.
    1. Andrea
      Andrea 20 October 2015 06: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: armored optimist
      Gratitude is not to be expected from anyone.
      What are you talking about? Russia, a priori, should all, we are barbarians, and enlightened people teach us the mind laughing, it doesn’t matter that every time enlightened people have to be pulled out of manure. laughing
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 20 October 2015 06: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: armored optimist
      Gratitude is not to be expected from anyone.

      You are right, Igor Vladimirovich. Good morning!. The more you cherish a child, the more ungrateful it grows.
    3. The stranger
      The stranger 21 October 2015 05: 12 New
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      You will wait.
      They waited, and still wait, but here the problem is not in the grateful, but in those who are waiting for gratitude.
      For example, we have a proverb "Send good, and go to the moreto". Type wanted to be kind, did - and forget. I did it myself, they didn't ask you - there is no need to wait for a kiss of the hand. So we live without resentment against those who were helped, and then they threw us. Well, it happens, we live on.
      And you have a sharply expressed desire to be thankfully thanked.
      What does this behavior have to do - it is sharply differentiated by age, never met in Russians, older than about 40. Is there any greed?
      And a coup in the brain. Here shout here that this one is traitors and prostitutes, and come here and meet smiles and warmth. So traitors, or ours? Decide, boys! And then we, too, may be offended. After all, we answered on bills until the 90s, then everyone had a blizzard on life, the other day you are singing something ...
      Not humanly somehow, for sure.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 21 October 2015 05: 20 New
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        Listen, brother Bulgarian .. yes, I’m exactly, at least be a Turk, at least a Jew, even a Finn at all ..

        Quote: Alien
        on bills before the 90s we answered

        Nah ... we answered that, and right now, our country is trying to do something there ..

        Quote: Alien
        then everyone had a blizzard in life

        The difference is that this blizzard is continuing for you ... and there are absolutely certain economic reasons for this.

        Quote: Alien
        this is the other day you choopa gopnichat ...

        Well, if you think so ... well .. sleep well, there are no more questions
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 21 October 2015 05: 54 New
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          If it seemed to me, I would be baptized. And so - I’m talking conversations, but I’m not talking nonsense.
          What after 90 did you write in the old "Ogonyok", but what we - you never dreamed of. Such ruin, yes, those people will forgive me, you did not have even in 41-42.
          And the reasons for all this, that we have, what you have, are absolutely not economic. And if you insist on it, then the truth is a conversation is not worth the candle.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 21 October 2015 07: 51 New
            0
            Quote: Alien
            I’m talking conversations, but I’m not cursing

            Good

            Quote: Alien
            What after 90 did you write in the old "Ogonyok", but what we - you never dreamed of. Such ruin, yes, those people will forgive me, you did not have even in 41-42.

            You know, brother .. in the 90th my daughter was born. And I, an engineer, a metallurgist by diploma, a metal physicist by profession (just don’t tell me anything about metal composites .. and about beryllium too ... and about carbon fiber too .. and about amorphous alloys ..) - went outside to earn money money. To feed the beloved woman who fed my baby. Breast.

            I - understand?

            Quote: Alien
            And the reasons for all this, that we have, what you have, are absolutely not economic

            You have absolutely economic ones. Your rulers put you under the European Union.

            The European Union is Germany. Here you are now under it. And therefore, Bulgarian tomatoes, peppers - they are completely forgotten.

            I repeat - for purely economic reasons. So beneficial to the European Union. Are you there right now? Well, slurp .. with a full spoon, don’t get stuck. yes
            1. The stranger
              The stranger 21 October 2015 08: 39 New
              0
              At the same time, my cosmos collapsed on my head, along with the satellites you shared with you and secret crystals, grown to view the universe. And from being weighed down in IKI, in order to feed anyone, I had to hold on to both breasts and the machine gun myself.
              So I answer for the bazaar - our economic problems are only formally. It was then invented by cunts to fuck for free. Our problems are purely political. The rest is solved during the life of two generations, as did after 44th.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 21 October 2015 10: 31 New
                0
                Quote: Alien
                At the same time, my cosmos collapsed on my head, along with the satellites and hidden crystals you shared with you, grown to view the Universe

                Kid .. afflict, probably .. the whole cosmos was made in the USSR.

                Quote: Alien
                And from being weighed down in IKI, in order to feed anyone, I had to hold on to both breasts and the machine gun myself.

                I sympathize .. only your IKI was not even a branch of the real IKI ... damn, how sorry you are ..

                I'm just in the subject a little how they worked with the socialist countries. You hit .. yes, I’m about the same as me.

                Only now I'm in my country, I'm trying to build something, and you are in the European Union .. where who is cooler - that’s right.

                And to me personally it’s exactly exactly which of you will survive there.

                Let it be for now
  4. dmitrich
    dmitrich 20 October 2015 06: 22 New
    0
    Quote: 740
    And what do we have from this now?

    you are probably Ukrainian!
    1. 740
      740 20 October 2015 06: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry
      Quote: 740
      And what do we have from this now?

      you are probably Ukrainian!

      you did not guess right!
      1. rafaelich
        rafaelich 20 October 2015 09: 39 New
        0
        Then probably a Jew? ..
        1. 740
          740 20 October 2015 13: 25 New
          0
          Quote: rafaelich
          Then probably a Jew? ..

          laughing laughing laughing
          Again, a slip in the identification of nationality.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 October 2015 13: 52 New
            0
            People, do you think even a little when you put the pros and cons?
            Quote: Dmitry
            you are probably Ukrainian!

            Quote: 740
            you did not guess right!

            Quote: rafaelich
            Then probably a Jew? ..

            What is there to plus or moon? fool Kindergarten.
  5. sogdianec
    sogdianec 20 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +5
    Well, the Poles have something to sulk at the Russians, like us at them. They definitely do not like Ivan Susanin, Minin and Pozharsky, Alexander Suvorov.
    Little is said about the Central Asian khanates.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 October 2015 08: 33 New
      +5
      Well, the Poles have something to pout on the Russians,
      In 1945, Poland became larger than it was in 1939.
  6. My address
    My address 20 October 2015 06: 29 New
    10
    But an extremely interesting article because of an unexpected and correct point of view. good
    This is how propaganda is to be conducted.
  7. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 October 2015 06: 34 New
    +8
    Khokhlostan - Ukraine, THANKS THANKS TO RUSSIA. And do not shout against history.
  8. 740
    740 20 October 2015 06: 41 New
    +7
    If our policy were similar to the British, now half the world would be in the Russian Imperial Commonwealth of Nations, and the Russian people would swim in luxury, like the sheikhs of Saudi Arabia, at the expense of countries liberated from other colonizers.

    Ah, if that were the case, I would idolize the inhabitants of the Kremlin. They kept half the world, and when it became shitty to us, not a single creature paid the same coin in gratitude.
  9. Grbear
    Grbear 20 October 2015 06: 47 New
    +7
    Great selection! My wish to the author - show how the "victims" of Russian aggression disposed of their independence. hi
  10. Svetovod
    Svetovod 20 October 2015 07: 32 New
    +3
    Forgot the Ukrainian woman. Today, the gift development of the Square is completely worn out "peremogamy".
    1. Jack-b
      Jack-b 20 October 2015 07: 43 New
      +1
      How did you forget that? And it is written about Ukraine.
  11. Shurale
    Shurale 20 October 2015 08: 12 New
    +8
    Enough to be proud of the memory of great ancestors, it is time to be worthy of them.
    It’s time, finally, to all good people to collect and kill all bad people !!!!
  12. anip
    anip 20 October 2015 09: 13 New
    +1
    And many of those who were given, forgiven, released, brought, live much better than the people of Russia. What to be proud of? Write-off of billions of dollars of debts or gas supplies to Ukraine (By the way, they started a couple of days ago, but something about this site is silent. Someone's?)?
  13. Million
    Million 20 October 2015 09: 22 New
    +3
    The USSR was a powerful power that created a lot of things, including states that are now hating their "parent"
  14. Idunavs
    Idunavs 20 October 2015 09: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: anip
    And many of those who were given, forgiven, released, brought, live much better than the people of Russia. What to be proud of? Writing off billions of dollars of debt or gas supplies to Ukraine?


    One must be proud of the wide Russian soul!
    In the article about the USSR above, this topic is disclosed. But it is not good to be like goats.
  15. qwert_s
    qwert_s 20 October 2015 09: 25 New
    -12
    In rags, snot, hungry, but what we are all the same noble !!!!
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 October 2015 09: 35 New
      +1
      Who is like. I feel fine. Although I live in dill, I drive the Volga to the Gulf of Ob and back.
  16. 2s1122
    2s1122 20 October 2015 09: 26 New
    +3
    Living in the present, we must remember the past, then everything will be fine in the future. Fin fellow rummaged in the historical data, in the west, nobody will do this. And the fact that someone spits in our backs, but take off, we’ll go meet the wind soldier
  17. akudr48
    akudr48 20 October 2015 09: 27 New
    +3
    Russia is a generous soul, as they rightly write on chocolates and speak in advertising.

    Yes, Russia, in the format of the USSR, gave birth to many new states that never had statehood, widely, wholeheartedly, endowed these neoplasms with lands that never belonged to them, created national writing and taught students, raised the level of the people, built republican Academy of Sciences, institutes, factories, roads, etc.

    And she also maintained a higher standard of living in the republics than Russians in the RSFSR, thanks to Lenin's national policy, so that fraternal peoples would not be offended by their older brother, taking away the last from Ryazan old women, so that a small but proud people somewhere in the mountains could live better.

    It all ended with the growth of nationally-Svidomo cadres in all these fraternal republics (they found their own cadres everywhere, with a thousand-year history, and they all explained that the Russians were to blame), who, above all, were concerned about creating their own statehood, which, on the initiative of and With the help of Moscow traitors and thieves, the Gorbachev-Yeltsin spill in 1991 ended with the collapse of the USSR and a soft recommendation for the Russians "suitcase - station - Russia", and those who did not understand were simply killed.

    The USSR also provided a lot of help to all these African and Arab princes and tsars, pulling them out of the clutches of the capitalist system, helping with all his might to build socialism with national specifics, all again at the expense of the Russian countryside and urban poverty. And then, when these peoples escaped, and after a short time again signed up for capitalism, the Russians were asked (more quietly and civilized, without killing, as in the republics of the USSR) also home, with the subsequent cancellation by Russia of multibillion-dollar debts (Misha 2%) by this "brotherly "bantustanam.

    However, at whose expense is such a banquet, where does such generosity come from, and how much can it be shown at the expense of the Russian people?

    What can one be proud of here, if only not with the patience (or, as the great Albats teaches, tolerance) of the Russian people, who seemingly can not be fed, but just give him the opportunity to help anyone who does not ask, even if someone comes from Mars. ..

    There is no need for patience and a normal human desire to help translate into permanent stupidity and bring the Russian people to the state of legalized robbery, to the state of "the Russians owe" all these newly-made independent powers, now they owe someone $ 100 billion, someone $ 300 billion, and someone a trillion $ it will not be enough, while the subject of the Russians' repentance in front of everyone to whom they owe is obligatory, without this it is impossible, they will not forgive ...

    And they will ask and present, yes, it is possible that they will receive, like the former crooks from Yukos, who are now squeezing their, with their entire global plutocracy, their own $ 50 billion for Khodorkovsky ....

    And now this national policy of holidays at the expense of the Russian people continues, and now the financing of the fraternal republics is much more generous than the Russian regions, and now the rulers of Russia are much closer to the Arabs in Syria than the Russians in the Donbass ...

    With such a national policy, we can soon wait for the next 1991.
    1. ig0r135
      ig0r135 20 October 2015 12: 21 New
      0
      Russian, they are Russian, no one can understand them, even those who live next to them, in one state. They can’t understand why they are so generous, kind, sympathetic, ready to share the last piece of bread.
      It’s just that the Russians are descendants of a tribe who had come into contact with a true god in the past and who received spirituality and divine spirit, so they are what they are.
      In exchange, they pledged to keep the peace on the EARTH and help the afflicted, which they still do, sometimes without understanding why they are doing this. But Putin, just understands, and it was not in vain that Yeltsin chose him. And such a huge state, too, after all, only Russians could create.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 October 2015 13: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: akudr48
      Russia is a generous soul, as they rightly write on chocolates and speak in advertising.

      By the way, this slogan appeared after the purchase of the Nestle Russia factory.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 20 October 2015 15: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        By the way, this slogan appeared after the purchase of the Nestle Russia factory.


        And by the way, it always jarred me, such a subtle mockery ..
  18. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 20 October 2015 09: 29 New
    +1
    The human nature is so structured that you don’t give it to him, it’s still not enough for him, while you give something, you’re good, stopped helping, you’ll be drenched in slops, and the whole world is built, and you won’t get anywhere from it, it’s the same with Russia, while she freed and helped everyone, she was kind and good, Russia itself had difficulties and when the opportunity to help others (how to live on her own) disappeared, Russia began to bark at the hands of the Anglo-Saxons (eternal enemies of Russia) (and without affairs), all the good things Russia did were instantly forgotten by everyone and everyone remembered how Russia oppressed them.
  19. zarodinu
    zarodinu 20 October 2015 09: 29 New
    +2
    It is necessary to write about this everywhere - and not only in Russia. You look - and other "countries" would know the truth about themselves. And who owes whom and what. Gratitude is not the last thing in the world.
  20. X Y Z
    X Y Z 20 October 2015 09: 32 New
    +2
    Yes, we can be like them - crush the weak, rip to the skin, hang huge debts and force ourselves to thank ourselves for all this, but then we will not be Russian, we will not be Orthodox, we will not be able to live in harmony with our conscience. We will then turn into fat and content parasites. We will change our mentality and there will be no number of punishments for this. Even the influence that the so-called Western world has on us, disfigures our youth, our morals, destroys families, encourages to offend the elderly. And if we embody all this at home in full, then we will also turn into a branch of Sodom and Gomorrah, as our Western "partners".
  21. asadov
    asadov 20 October 2015 09: 39 New
    +1
    As they say. to summarize - do not expect good from good. Especially from the neighbors.
  22. rafaelich
    rafaelich 20 October 2015 09: 45 New
    +1
    They also forgot Cyprus ... If it were not for the position of the USSR, it would again become Turkish.
  23. Artakon
    Artakon 20 October 2015 10: 27 New
    -9
    The article is utter nonsense. Poland restored its statehood thanks to the USSR? But what about the Soviet-Polish war, where the Poles Budeny ass kicked? Or when in 39 Poland Stalin and Hitler were divided, as in the good old imperial times?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 October 2015 14: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Artakon
      where did the Poles budeny ass kicked?

      Tukhachevsky.
      Quote: Artakon
      Or when in 39 Poland Stalin and Hitler were divided, as in the good old imperial times?

      Would you like the USSR to completely "cede" Poland to Germany in the 39th? And in 45, the USSR could have chopped off a bigger piece from the Poles, and not just returned their lands. And we brought them a ready-made state on a platter, at the same time annexing a part of Germany to Poland.
  24. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 20 October 2015 11: 14 New
    +1
    It gave an unexpected post on your Facebook Veikko Korhonen from Oulu (Finland).
    The "results of the aggression" of Russia - half of Europe and part of Asia gained statehood from the hands of Russia (USSR) !!!


    Well done, hot Finnish guy. good hi

    And the author of the article did a good job with the material. Thank. hi
  25. atos_kin
    atos_kin 20 October 2015 11: 23 New
    +1
    Would be a believer, would argue that Jesus Christ was Russian.
    1. ig0r135
      ig0r135 20 October 2015 12: 49 New
      +2
      Would be a believer, would argue that Jesus Christ was Russian

      Jesus Christ, was sent by God to the fallen people (Jews), so that they change their minds and turn to the true God, what they did with him, we all know. God "rewarded" them with a craving for gold, in ancient times, gold was considered the metal of the devil. Therefore, for quite a long time, no nation wanted Jews to live next to them.
      If you look at our time, it is as if time, sodom and Gomor are returning. Russia alone is holding onto, and not everything is clean with us.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 October 2015 14: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: ig0r135
        Jesus Christ, was sent by God to the fallen people (Jews)

        And they killed him, and figured out how to earn extra money on his death. wink
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 20 October 2015 23: 24 New
          0
          But didn’t the Roman legionaries crucify him? winked
  26. Basil50
    Basil50 20 October 2015 11: 49 New
    +1
    I am proud of my ancestors and grandfathers. I am proud that they kept the nations. Even during the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR, military criminals were not completely destroyed, which could lead to the destruction of some peoples living in a tribal system, and made it possible to survive and develop. On the conscience of these * peoples * ingratitude, now they sincerely consider themselves in the right to spoil, forgiving all the crimes of their ancestors. Even the Germans were not destroyed, but the Americans were * seriously * considering the options for punishment, and among them were very radical and exotic measures. It seems to me that it is precisely the discrepancy * of punishment * that causes aggression, because they are well aware that they have done the measure of responsibility. After all, they have practically been forgiven, and this is beyond the understanding * of the simplest organisms * brought up in PR countries, and here comes aggression, and with it the permission for any meanness.
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 October 2015 12: 10 New
    0
    Yes, probably if we were a little more calculating, we would live richer. And the debts would not be forgiven and billed for the Soviet legacy. But the essence of the Russians is probably not the point. And we are not doing good with the hope that they will thank us for this. You just have to live by conscience and justice. Yes, living in poverty is a shame. And if you are healthy and you are a normal man, then at least you have to feed and support your family and give it everything you need. Can not? Run bachelor, then nature does not give you a chance to leave offspring and continue your race.
  28. Rostislav
    Rostislav 20 October 2015 12: 12 New
    +2
    Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian, who will do good to someone, and in return, after a while, he gets spits, curses and insults.

    So after all, good deeds are done at the behest of the soul, and not in pursuit of praise.
  29. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 20 October 2015 12: 25 New
    +2
    There are many contradictory opinions, pluses, and pluses in the discussions, but the essence doesn’t change from this; those territorial neoplasms that really appeared as a result of the policies of Russia or the USSR could at least not give a damn about feeling gratitude, but sometimes right in the face, they could even shut up and keep silent where it is possible, but no, everyone wants to please the Americans, how can it be, and is Snickers free? and chewing gum for free? ... That's really insulting for this, hence the desire not only for the Caspian flotilla to plow as intended, but at least to connect the rest of the fleet to remind (if the words do not work), you can’t kick that who has done and is doing good ... The position of power sometimes justifies itself, you cannot endlessly endure how you are being doused and doused, and you are smiling and waving ....
  30. solidus
    solidus 20 October 2015 12: 54 New
    0
    Yes, the article is nonsense. One gets the impression that we gave them this statehood from a wide shoulder, and when put on it, the Americans gave it to them, ruining the USSR.
  31. VadimSt
    VadimSt 20 October 2015 13: 26 New
    +4
    Is it really impossible to post more complete data on the origin of the material?
    Veikko Korhonen from Oulu (Finland) issued a very unexpected post on his Facebook
    Here he is, a hero of a historical excursion!
  32. Yereke
    Yereke 20 October 2015 14: 27 New
    +3
    first we had to write our answer thanks to the Turks from the Horde united Muscovy and Drg. land and rebuffed the Catholics and gave statehood. This is Finu. Kazakhstan recently celebrated the 550th anniversary of the Khanate and may the Horde take an interest.
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 20 October 2015 15: 28 New
      -1
      Quote: Ereke
      first we had to write our answer thanks to the Turks from the Horde united Muscovy and Drg. land and rebuffed the Catholics and gave statehood. This is Finu. Kazakhstan recently celebrated the 550th anniversary of the Khanate and may the Horde take an interest.

      Cossack, was also tithe!
      do not pay attention to pro-pin-Dovsky historians, this one is not being, because they don’t have any obvious successes in political activity, they are trying to find other manifestations for themselves in order to satisfy their attempts, abandoned due to lack of reason!
      there may also be cattle breeders to whom the Soviet regime gave territory, and who began to imagine themselves to be great warriors ...
      but in general, judging from the statement that history is repeating, it gives a strong impression that that era is no different from the present, but if you change direction, that is, Ahmet tried to get around from Casimir, that is, from the west, then very much recalls the campaign of the Swedes, who ended up near Poltava, and Napoleon, who for some reason didn’t move to the Russian capital then, namely Moscow, and Hitler, all the parties started from the west, and if even during all these wars it would have been weak with dissemination of information, it was also possible, especially to the West, to dismiss their failures, saying that it’s not us, like, but a horde from the east, but he is an Ordung in Germany too
      and Ukraine now, a very striking example of what was then, first England broke away from the empire, then the Germans, Poles, it is very clearly seen how what else, even when the Romanovs were in Russia, now comes to Russia, and now the southern republics, such as blood Turks, although 25 years ago there were no Turk Turks in blood, but there were Turkic-speaking tribes .... yes there are many that are very veiled by “historians” and continue to be veiled
    2. yastr
      yastr 23 October 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      Which Turks? This is heresy.
      At the time of Catherine, everything was burned in our place, but over the hill - it remained.
      Embassies that came to the Golden Horde did not see Asians / Turks, etc.
      All servicemen in the Horde were of Slavic appearance. And on many frescoes / icons, etc. army of the Horde for some reason with the Orthodox banners, bearded and fair-faced ..
      The Horde is an equestrian army in Russia, and there were several such Hordes.
  33. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 20 October 2015 14: 31 New
    +1
    All this applies to the USSR, that is, in the last century there was a different state with a different people and with a different government. Do not confuse the USSR - the Super Power and Russia - a poor country with external control.
  34. Spnsr
    Spnsr 20 October 2015 15: 06 New
    0
    someone on the site
    Glot
    http://topwar.ru/84393-stoyanie-na-reke-ugre-i-konec-zolotoordynskogo-iga-1480-g
    .html # comment-id-5114254
    tries to prove ... to the point of proving to me the basis in an alternative story, but I proved to him with just such examples that his story is fake, that there is a story that objective, which disproves his story, it came to the point that the moderators banned my koment, and literally talking about it, what is written in this article !!!
    You will return the moderators to koment, otherwise my dialogue with him will not make full sense, I will correct the expression that at the first moment came to my mind on a text such as the tightness of your perception through the prism of the crafts you are looking at ... !!! and then the text of the dialogue will take the final form ...
    Or are you also supporters of an alternative story and for this reason do not allow others to speak out by deleting comments?
  35. robbihood
    robbihood 20 October 2015 15: 26 New
    +2
    This is called - bringing to absurdity. All listed states were previously either independent on their own, but under other names (khanates), or included, as legal entities, into other state entities. For example, there was an Austro-Hungarian empire, which included dozens of European countries, there was a British empire, Russian, German. And look at the photos of this story - a directly unrecognized genius, there is no time to shave.
  36. sergej1950
    sergej1950 20 October 2015 15: 43 New
    +1
    Guys! Be proud of your country!
    Good is not measured by money. This is a measure of evil.
  37. traveler
    traveler 20 October 2015 15: 53 New
    +3
    Most of the colonies of Western Europe gained their independence thanks to the world decolonization movement after the Second World War, in which the USSR played the main role

    according to this logic, all the former Soviet republics became independent thanks to the efforts of the United States to abolish the Soviet Union.
  38. but still
    but still 20 October 2015 16: 37 New
    0
    In Bulgaria, the author already singled out a whole paragraph laughing Sofa historian, Bulgaria (modern, on the Danube) as a state was formed in 681 year and Byzantium paid tribute to her yes But Rurik in those years was also not in the project. Yes, after the Ottomans conquered, thanks to the Russian-Turkish wars, one of which became Liberation for Bulgaria, Bulgaria regained its statehood, but as an autonomy only one small part of its historical and ethnic territories. Subsequently, not only with the help of Russia, but in spite of the disapproval of Russia, Bulgaria reunited another part of its lands. And she achieved independence already in 1908.
    1. yastr
      yastr 23 October 2015 13: 09 New
      0
      Of course, Russia was not in the project yet, but Great Bulgaria was already :))))))))))
  39. ermolai
    ermolai 20 October 2015 18: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: 740
    Well, you continue to live with the philosophy of a good Russian,

    and we live, and they just gave you good advice, change your permanent residence, AND YOU will be given a fuck, a choice in the head or in the ass.
  40. vetlan19
    vetlan19 20 October 2015 18: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: EvgNik
    The more you cherish a child, the more ungrateful it grows.


    It is only necessary to educate on time and correctly, and everything will be fine.
  41. Dimontius
    Dimontius 21 October 2015 02: 46 New
    0
    These words would yes to the General Assembly. Only now they will turn out, they will think that we are weak, if we remember this! (As Parashenko about the role of Ukraine in the creation of the UN)
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 21 October 2015 02: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Dimontius
      These words would yes

      Are you talking about what the article says? So it and so everyone knows laughing
  42. arnulla
    arnulla 21 October 2015 12: 55 New
    0
    Well, the article laid out everything. And convincingly
  43. Balagan
    Balagan 21 October 2015 14: 30 New
    0
    Debtor complex. They understand that they owe everything to Russia, but do not want to give. Therefore, it is better to shit - then, perhaps, you will not have to give anything to anyone. Many do not know how to be friends with Russia, let them mess up their own mess ...