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Business Insider: US uses 80's spy data on Russian aviation

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The publication Business Insider has published material that the US military is still using spy data from Adolf Tolkachev, who headed the research laboratory in the USSR in the 1980-s and worked in the field of radar.


Business Insider: US uses 80's spy data on Russian aviation


“Most of what Tolkachev conveyed is still in use, and so far it is legally classified. Although this is a matter of thirty years ago, it is likely that some of these things are still considered to be quite valuable information, ”quotes David Hoffman, the author of a book about the Billion-Dollar Spy, RIA "News".

The results of Tolkachev's espionage activities concern all Russian fighters created in the 1980-s and the beginning of the 1990-s. The publication notes that it was during this period that the development of the most modern aircraft began.

According to Business Insider, this information can help American pilots in the event of a conflict with Russian pilots in Syria.
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  1. Temples
    Temples 19 October 2015 11: 11 New
    58
    And what a last name! - Tolkachev. You can’t even talk about the name.
    Pushed with the decree information.
    I sold everything and everyone.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 19 October 2015 11: 13 New
      19

      That's right, where does Russia get a new gas station in 30 years?

      Keep listening to adolf


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    3. Penetrator
      Penetrator 19 October 2015 11: 13 New
      19
      Quote: Temples
      And what a last name! - Tolkachev.

      And what a name - Adolf! Undoubtedly, the parents were hitlerophiles. fellow А если серьезно, то как можно доверять какому-то Business Insider, одно название которого какбэ намекает об отдаленности от военной тематики. Пусть себе инсайдерскую информацию с валютных бирж распространяют. До начала 2000-х для наших "западных партнеров" никаких особых секретов в российском ВПК не существовало.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 19 October 2015 11: 22 New
        14
        Quote: Penetrator
        how can you trust any Business Insider, one name of which kakbe hints at the remoteness from the military theme.



        Хм... Есть одно странное издание и у нас, вроде бы не военное, однако частенько неплохие и злободневные материалы на военную тематику пишущее, и на ВО постоянно присутствующее... "Мордовский вестник", если я не ошибаюсь ???

        P.S. Ну уж точно, что не "Вестник мордовских лагерей"...
        1. demo
          demo 19 October 2015 11: 25 New
          +3
          Well, you have jokes!
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 19 October 2015 11: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: veksha50
          "Мордовский вестник", если я не ошибаюсь


          You also need to understand that they write only what is permitted, but already such information that Adik did not even think of in those years when he made the decision on betrayal ...
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 19 October 2015 15: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: hydrox
            We must also understand that they write only what is permitted, but already such information that Adik did not even think of in those years when he made the decision on betrayal.



            Exactly ... So - the flag of thirty years ago in the hands of Amers ... let them rejoice ...
    4. vladnn2015
      vladnn2015 19 October 2015 11: 13 New
      +5
      и его ещё не "ликвидировали"?
      1. BilliBoms09
        BilliBoms09 19 October 2015 11: 23 New
        53
        They shot the reptile.
        Employees of the KGB of the USSR managed to get on the trail of Tolkachev absolutely by accident. In 1985, his curator, Edward Lee Howard, was fired from the CIA for property theft and drug addiction. An embittered Howard ran over to the side of the USSR and gave the KGB a lot of top secret information, including the name of Adolf Tolkachev. On June 9, 1985, the latter was arrested, and on June 13 his liaison officer Paul Stroumbach was arrested. During the investigation, Tolkachev confessed everything and begged the Soviet leadership not to impose a death sentence on him. The Supreme Court of the USSR examined the Tolkachev case in 1986 and found him guilty of an offense under article 64, part “a” of the RSFSR Criminal Code, and sentenced him to capital punishment - the death penalty by shooting. On September 24, 1986, the sentence was carried out.
        1. demo
          demo 19 October 2015 11: 26 New
          17
          Thank God! Lightly.
        2. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 19 October 2015 11: 29 New
          13
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          They shot the reptile.
          On September 24, 1986, the sentence was carried out.


          This is the only way things are done. I took the risk - sold out - got caught - shot. This message will reach every doubter. And here is the current form of the message: I took a chance –sold –– –– –– –– –– ––––––––––––––––––––––––) changed the agent on the other side a year later, is vicious and teaches impunity and permissiveness.
        3. hydrox
          hydrox 19 October 2015 11: 44 New
          +5
          Quote: BilliBoms09
          On September 24, 1986, the sentence was carried out.


          Forty years have passed: during this time, progress in radar has run so far that discussing such issues now is the same as blaming I. Sikorsky or Zvorykin for treason in Russia ...
        4. reklats34
          reklats34 19 October 2015 12: 30 New
          +6
          each adolf has a pool
          1. 2s1122
            2s1122 19 October 2015 12: 43 New
            +3
            not all Adolfs are such nits.
            1. Aljavad
              Aljavad 20 October 2015 00: 38 New
              0
              each adolf has a pool
              not all Adolfs are such nits.


              Do not confuse these nasty adolfs with these cute Adiki! lol
        5. 2s1122
          2s1122 19 October 2015 12: 39 New
          +1
          Good afternoon Vladislav, I think you have pleased us with this information. Thank you hi
      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 19 October 2015 11: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: vladnn2015
        и его ещё не "ликвидировали"?


        Eliminated. Soviet style. Bullet in the back of the head.
      3. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 19 October 2015 11: 39 New
        0
        Quote: vladnn2015
        и его ещё не "ликвидировали"?


        Eliminated. Soviet style. Bullet in the back of the head.
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    5. hydrox
      hydrox 19 October 2015 11: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: Temples
      Pushed with the decree information.

      Это уже не страшно:: с тех пор наши авиационные РЛС уже стали видеть дальше, чем амерские, а ракеты "воздух-воздух" стали точнее и дальнобойнее.
      Ground-based early warning radar systems work in a network with VKS no worse than Amer, and they have more opportunities in the number of targets followed. In addition, centimeter radars of the battlefield like Farah and Sobolyatnik have become lighter and more mobile than Amer.
      And this is only for open sources and for products accepted for service.
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 19 October 2015 13: 10 New
        -9
        Where did the information come from? That our radars (we don’t really have AFAR), that long-range explosive missiles — here we lose to the Americans. Plus they have more AWACS than ours, and their use makes their own aircraft radar not so important. Our hobby is over-maneuverability and close combat.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 19 October 2015 13: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Maksus
          AFAR really we do not have

          Интересно, а зачем афар американцам, если его включать нельзя? У меня друг говорит про такие моменты "Чисто поржать"
          А про вооружение загнул не хило. Сами американцы плачут, почему у Русских есть, а у нас нету. И правда почему американцы, которые нас "победили" встречаться с нашими самолетами не спешат и в наше небо не торопятся, когда в 60х хозяйничали, как у себя дома
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 19 October 2015 14: 04 New
            +1
            They compared a bolt with an injury handle - in the 60x there were battles of Phantoms with MIGs, since then many years have passed, no?
          2. Scraptor
            Scraptor 19 October 2015 14: 44 New
            +1
            One F-22 launches a missile, the radar turns on another F-22 ...
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 19 October 2015 13: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: Maksus
          Plus they have more AWACS than ours, and their use makes their own aircraft radar not so important.

          What is the use of AWACS if it is kept at a useless distance. Our pilots immediately begin to fly unprofessionally a few feet from the democratic pepelats and irradiate with thousands of radars, taking them for escort. Here is the answer why in Soviet times the Americans didn’t fly on Mondays - this is really scary.
          1. Maksus
            Maksus 19 October 2015 14: 05 New
            0
            Who holds it and at what distance? AWACS are not driven in vain - this is a control plane, though.
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 19 October 2015 14: 42 New
        0
        Since then, the American ones have somehow pulled themselves up to the Soviet level! Through the efforts of Adik ...
    6. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 19 October 2015 12: 12 New
      +3
      It’s for us that even if they use the second world data, if only we had no moles of ty according to Tolkachevo.
  2. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 19 October 2015 11: 12 New
    13
    Правильно что таким "Адольфам Толкачевым" маслину в череп в те правильные времена закатывали.
  3. Decathlon
    Decathlon 19 October 2015 11: 13 New
    +8
    I never understood the parents giving such names to children: Adolf ... Some kind of meanness blows recourse
    1. A-Sim
      A-Sim 19 October 2015 11: 15 New
      +2
      In the mid 30s it was fashionable. All the same, the socialists, even though the Nazis (in the media, followed the line of the international) ...
    2. BilliBoms09
      BilliBoms09 19 October 2015 11: 28 New
      +6
      I never understood the parents giving such names to children: Adolf ... Some kind of meanness blows
      He was born in 1929, then this name was not so tarnished by a possessed aloizovich.
    3. demo
      demo 19 October 2015 11: 28 New
      +6
      That's interesting.
      And what name does Dazdraperm cause?

      For information - Long live the First of May.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 19 October 2015 11: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: demo
        That's interesting.
        And what name does Dazdraperm cause?

        For information - Long live the First of May.

        And my father had childhood friends:
        Guy - Reva
        And the girl is Lucia.
      2. alvog
        alvog 19 October 2015 12: 19 New
        +3
        I had a neighbor Traktor Ivanovich, already an old man, and he was proud of his name ...
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  5. roskot
    roskot 19 October 2015 11: 13 New
    +4
    For a long time, he is seeking the reward of his hero. An ice ax in his ear and an aspen stake as a keepsake.
  6. Sasha75
    Sasha75 19 October 2015 11: 13 New
    13
    I didn’t understand something, but they know that the USSR no longer has the impression that it doesn’t.
    1. bvi1965
      bvi1965 19 October 2015 11: 23 New
      +8
      Наверняка догадываются, но "звезды" на крыльях смущают... laughing
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 19 October 2015 11: 14 New
    12
    Business Insider: US uses 80s spy data on Russian aviation


    Tolkachev did us tremendous damage with his betrayal.
    Unfortunately, such moles are the most dangerous people in RUSSIA .... for the scale of the damage to our country from their activities is often beyond description.
    A typical example of Gorbachev ... is now alive and healthy and celebrates his anniversaries in Europe ... and millions of our citizens who have not survived his perestroika are now lying in their graves.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 19 October 2015 11: 47 New
      +6
      Here you are right!
      This villain must be branded day and night :: they say that hatred materializes, you look - and dies!
  8. DMB3000
    DMB3000 19 October 2015 11: 14 New
    +1
    first and last name suitable
  9. eXelenSe
    eXelenSe 19 October 2015 11: 15 New
    +1
    Adolf Tolkachev say ...
    [media = http: //coub.com/view/4t1fx]
    am
    1. Good me
      Good me 19 October 2015 11: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: eXelenSe
      Adolf Tolkachev say ...
      [media = http: //coub.com/view/4t1fx]


      Failed to install the video? It's a pity.

      Here it is, Stalin style:

      and in addition:

      Although the form of Stalin’s image in the videos is controversial, one thing pleases: REMEMBER!
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 19 October 2015 13: 53 New
        0
        Cool clips! wink
  10. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 19 October 2015 11: 15 New
    +1
    Well, maybe they will help :)
    But the human factor is far from 30 years ago.
    And there is every reason to believe that it is this human factor that mattresses are so afraid of wassat
  11. GSH-18
    GSH-18 19 October 2015 11: 15 New
    +4
    According to Business Insider, this information can help American pilots in the event of a conflict with Russian pilots in Syria.

    Does it lie?
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 19 October 2015 11: 41 New
      +3
      Ну почему же? Где нибудь на курорте в Майами наши ребята набьют морды этим "мак-кейнам"!
  12. noWAR
    noWAR 19 October 2015 11: 19 New
    +4
    It would be naive to somehow rely on data from 30 years ago. All these years after the betrayal did not sit idly by, I hope.
  13. kondor-espada
    kondor-espada 19 October 2015 11: 21 New
    +3
    "эти сведения могут помочь американским летчикам в случае конфликта с российскими пилотами в Сирии" - Какой такой конфликт,ну-ну,смешно - американцы слишком трясутся за свои зады.
  14. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 19 October 2015 11: 23 New
    12
    Эпоха р\л прицелов авиации серии ОРЁЛ, САПФИР и им подобным, к разработке которых был причастен "крот" Толкачёв, ушла в прошлое. Тогда элементная база радиотехники в авиации не позволяла выйти за пределы обнаружения...сопровождения только одной цели и пуска по ней ракеты. На границе 90-х разрабатывались только концепции...а от них до реального претворения в жизнь готового изделия--- очень и очень далеко!Сейчас РЛС-авиа...это прицелы с ФАР... Аналогично и в системах РЭБ! Нынешние разработки на порядок другие...о которых в 80-х г.г. могли только мечтать...а не разрабатывать...
    Сейчас уже другие "кроты" шуршат...их к середине 90-х г.г. ...поди...навербовали...
    1. Altona
      Altona 19 October 2015 11: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      Эпоха р\л прицелов авиации серии ОРЁЛ, САПФИР и им подобным, к разработке которых был причастен "крот" Толкачёв, ушла в прошлое. Тогда элементная база радиотехники в авиации не позволяла выйти за пределы обнаружения..

      ------------------
      Тоже подумал, что такого "ценного" осталось инфе 80-х годов прошлого века? Авионика, двигатель и даже частично планер обновились или как минимум улучшились, возможности самолетов заметно подросли, в наведении ракет и бомб принимает участие навигационная спутниковая система ГЛОНАСС...А они всё еще в старые ламповые и транзисторные схемы смотрят...
      1. Rader
        Rader 19 October 2015 11: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: Altona
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Эпоха р\л прицелов авиации серии ОРЁЛ, САПФИР и им подобным, к разработке которых был причастен "крот" Толкачёв, ушла в прошлое. Тогда элементная база радиотехники в авиации не позволяла выйти за пределы обнаружения..

        ------------------
        Тоже подумал, что такого "ценного" осталось инфе 80-х годов прошлого века? Авионика, двигатель и даже частично планер обновились или как минимум улучшились, возможности самолетов заметно подросли, в наведении ракет и бомб принимает участие навигационная спутниковая система ГЛОНАСС...А они всё еще в старые ламповые и транзисторные схемы смотрят...

        Of course, this is all true, but we must not forget about the period of the 90s. Then the Americans (and not only them) could almost legally buy ready-made samples of advanced technology and documentation. And all this lasted until the beginning of the zero (this is at best). So the Americans, in truth, can have quite relevant information. We hope for the best, but prepare for trouble smile
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 19 October 2015 11: 37 New
      +1
      That's why moles, so that the FSB does not doze off :)
  15. Corsair
    Corsair 19 October 2015 11: 24 New
    +6
    laughing you might think after submitting the information - Soviet and Russian designers had to abandon everything and start making flying saucers. I understand that in their paradise they think that our pilots fly on the development of the 70-80s without any changes, and our developers and minds were dragged / killed / destroyed in the 90s?
    Пусть и дальше так думают, в случае чего потом по ходу действий "отКАЛИБРуются" в нужном русле.
    1. Sura
      Sura 19 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +3
      Judging by how amers were struck by air strikes and missiles, it really is, the body has grown, and thinking, like stuck at the level of a teenager, is neither here nor there.
  16. veksha50
    veksha50 19 October 2015 11: 26 New
    +4
    "эти сведения могут помочь американским летчикам в случае конфликта с российскими пилотами в Сирии"...

    Вряд ли... Даже учитывая то, что мы до сих пор пользуемся наработками советских времен, даже за последние 10-15 лет то, что "продал" этот толкач, должно было как минимум модернизироваться... А иная модернизация может настолько изменить возможности, что мама не горюй...
  17. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 19 October 2015 11: 31 New
    +8
    And what a last name! - Tolkachev.
    Tolkachev, Gorbachev! It’s not a matter of a surname, but a rotten soul! But the damage of course from such villains is immeasurable!
  18. kizhe
    kizhe 19 October 2015 11: 34 New
    +3
    in addition to this information, there is something new, as well as normal, not washed brains of our pilots.
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 19 October 2015 12: 59 New
      0
      Well, he also surpassed the SU 24 to Japan (I was unsuccessful with the model), so that ears should always be kept at the top of the head.
  19. Redman
    Redman 19 October 2015 11: 34 New
    +3
    We have such Adolfs ... But after all, many liberalists consider themselves patriots. How about this?
    1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
      Vladimir Pozlnyakov 19 October 2015 11: 47 New
      +3
      To organize from them regular replenishment of the labor market for camp rations in the Far North!
  20. tomket
    tomket 19 October 2015 11: 45 New
    +3
    it’s not clear why the Americans need some kind of pusher and his information of the 80s, if only the MiG-29 and Su-27 in the USA are near the squadron. In addition, the Indians began to regularly conduct exercises with the Americans, so to speak, to test our equipment live.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 October 2015 12: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: tomket
      if only MiG-29 and Su-27 in the USA near the squadron.

      They have full documentation for all Soviet equipment. Now the balls are rolling out. How so? Why is the manual not true?
    2. Scraptor
      Scraptor 19 October 2015 22: 17 New
      +1
      Nitsche-nitsche ... here they will be trained on them and then they will get from them, any meanness is punishable.

      Such renovations are contrary to the contract, although the most recently salted Ukrainians
  21. wild
    wild 19 October 2015 12: 11 New
    0
    On foreign media, the article is just about him, read such a garbage dump ..
  22. Zumich
    Zumich 19 October 2015 12: 12 New
    +1
    In the 80s and 90s, everything in the country was staggering and popping, there were traitors, but it seems to me that now there are many more of them (traitors of the homeland, country), in education, medecine, in the economy, in the media, in other spheres of life, I think corruption and bribery, these are deliberately cultivated (embedded) dividers.
    По мне так:КАЗНИТЬ' НЕЛЬЗЯ ПОМИЛОВАТЬ.
  23. Mercenary
    Mercenary 19 October 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    Previously, the KGB didn’t forgive such tricks. Anyone and a traitor knew that he would be knocked down wherever he was !! If Tokachev on time (got into a car crash), he would rot somewhere and did not bark.
  24. Россия 24
    Россия 24 19 October 2015 12: 32 New
    +1
    They would still have taken the data of 1945, then there was the most modern aviation, but Germany was defeated.
  25. viktor561
    viktor561 19 October 2015 12: 35 New
    +2
    Ну история еще одного предательства - в 1976 году Беленко угнал МИГ-25 в Японию - там электроника на МИГе была допотопная - но система распознавания "Свой-чужой" попавшая к американцам, оставила беззащитным наше воздушное пространство на год и привела к огромным убыткам
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 October 2015 13: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: viktor561
      "Свой-чужой" попавшая к американцам, оставила беззащитным наше воздушное пространство на год и привела к огромным убыткам

      Бывают интересные моменты. Разобрали двадцать пятый и завернули программу полетов Дрозда. Как минимум сэкономили нашей стране около десятка милиардов баксов на противодействие Sr-71. Кроме того ПВО получило значительный скачок в развитии. В том же распозновании "свой-чужой". Смена кодов проходит за пару секунд
    2. Scraptor
      Scraptor 19 October 2015 22: 13 New
      +1
      Откуда информация про "допотопность"? Их американских новостей? Ничего допотопного - наоборот, у американев не было такой и была большая паника (у тех кто поумней и на ВО для дефекации не заходит) потому что поняли что СССР всерьез готовился к ядерной войне.
  26. Swed
    Swed 19 October 2015 12: 58 New
    +1
    The article was trimmed, so I found the following lines in it:

    “The statistics are very revealing,” says Hoffman. - In Korea, for every six enemy aircraft shot down, the United States lost one aircraft. In Vietnam, we lost a plane for every two shot down. ”

    Such dreamers laughing As always, everything was done upside down, in the expectation that, after a couple of centuries, others would believe it.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 19 October 2015 13: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Swed
      As always, everything was done upside down, in the expectation that, after a couple of centuries, others would believe it.

      Hoffman hardly lies. Americans destroyed piston aircraft in Korea in such proportion, but fifteen appeared and spoiled all statistics. About Vietnam, too, does not lie 2 spots on one phantom. But the twenty first appeared and o5 statistics ruined
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 19 October 2015 21: 53 New
        0
        he lies and you repeat after him ... for example, there were several F-105s per phantom.
  27. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 October 2015 13: 00 New
    +2
    this information can help American pilots in case of conflict with Russian pilots in Syria

    Well, if Americans still use the information 30 years ago, then it is not surprising that every day they have more and more eyes on their foreheads.
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 20 October 2015 01: 03 New
      0
      Well, if Americans still use the information 30 years ago, then it is not surprising that every day they have more and more eyes on their foreheads.


      And no one was surprised that the Obama had ideas about Russia, as if he had been sleeping lethargically since the 90s?

      After the collapse of the USSR, these cool peppers cut spending on intelligence so much that they slept not only in Caliber, Crimea and Syria, but also in Putin.

      (не даром после речи в ООН "их" матёрая дикторша оговорилась и обозвала его Ельциным)
  28. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 19 October 2015 13: 13 New
    +1
    Америкосы еще бы информацией по "Илье Муромцу" пользовались.....
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 19 October 2015 13: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: bulvas
    That's right, where does Russia get a new gas station in 30 years?

    Keep listening to adolf

    Listen does not work, he was exposed and shot. But he managed to inflict considerable damage!
  30. Belousov
    Belousov 19 October 2015 14: 07 New
    +1
    Everyone should know that there is an ice ax of the right size. And now - they live quietly in London and in the face, and even have not lost touch with the highest officials.
  31. NordUral
    NordUral 19 October 2015 15: 44 New
    +1
    Another selling highlighted.
  32. Cartman
    Cartman 19 October 2015 21: 44 New
    -1
    50 years have passed, hardly something very serious remains
  33. Briz
    Briz 21 October 2015 18: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Scraptor
    he lies and you repeat after him ... for example, there were several F-105s per phantom.

    ;) I understood what I said ???
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 22 October 2015 02: 40 New
      0
      You do not understand what you read.
  34. Old26
    Old26 22 October 2015 20: 13 New
    0
    Quote: Penetrator
    Undoubtedly, the parents were Hitlerophiles

    And most importantly, they were seers. Dali having 6 years before the name of Hitler became widely known laughing Or maybe he was named after Wagner ???

    Quote: BilliBoms09
    He was born in 1929

    in 1927