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Experts: in the West underestimated the effectiveness of reforms carried out in the Russian army

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Specialists of the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) published a report from which it follows that Western military analysts underestimated the capabilities of the Russian army, which increased significantly after the start of reforms, according to an article published in The Diplomat magazine.




ECFR experts divided the reforms carried out in the PS of the Russian Federation into 3 parts: “the first stage is the optimization of the number of personnel, command and reform of military education, the second stage is the improvement of combat capability within the framework of the modernized command structure and advanced training of military personnel, the third stage is the rearmament”, indicated in the journal.

"In the United States and Europe, special attention was paid to the third, still unfinished phase of these reforms, and they turned a blind eye to the substantial progress that was achieved in the first stages," the newspaper quotes the author. Look.

The researchers pay attention to the fact that for the first time in the Russian army "a management pyramid with a small number of decision-making managers at its top and an increased number of officers working with personnel are used."

They note that the command by increasing the level of training of sergeants was able to increase the percentage of professionals inside the armed forces.

“This allowed the units to master more sophisticated equipment (the service life of recruits is too short for training in working with sophisticated weapon systems to be effective) and increased the combat readiness of elite units (paratroopers, paratroopers, marines and special forces),” the report says.

According to experts, Western analysts have not understood the essence of the reforms, and "exaggerate the difficulties that the Russian army faces during the implementation of the third stage of reforms - rearmament."

“This reflects a lack of understanding of the essence of the reform. It does not imply a cardinal renewal of the army in terms of armaments at the initial stages, the reform is aimed at improving the efficiency of work with the existing equipment and increasing the professionalism of the entire military structure, ”conclude ECFR researchers.
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  1. Frigate
    Frigate 19 October 2015 08: 36 New
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    Experts: in the West underestimated the effectiveness of reforms carried out in the Russian army

    It's all from megalomania. Like, if they consider it impossible, then it is impossible at all.
    I hope this is not the last surprise for the west.
    1. Finches
      Finches 19 October 2015 08: 39 New
      17
      To be honest - I am a little in shock from our military reforms ... laughing

      Serdyukov, personally, I hate it, but I agree with the GDP - It was necessary!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 08: 42 New
        21
        Quote: Finches
        To be honest - I'm a little in shock from our military reforms.

        Yes, a new army appeared, which no one expected even here on the site.
        1. Finches
          Finches 19 October 2015 08: 48 New
          +9
          The main thing is that now the state machine, in spite of difficult times, would not slow down the matter of bringing to mind the initiated army reforms! And the attempts of all kinds of pseudo-liberal leaders to talk about the sequestration of the defense budget, etc., would be stopped at the root! And of course, 5-7 years stability, both external and internal. Then the result will be even more stunning!
          1. Altona
            Altona 19 October 2015 10: 58 New
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            And attempts of all kinds of pseudo-liberal leaders to talk about the sequestration of the defense budget, etc., would be thwarted! And of course, 5-7 years of stability, both external and internal.

            ---------------------------------
            Динамики уже надо в экономике, а не "псевдостабильности", в маленьких городах вообще невозможно плохо с работой...
            1. Finches
              Finches 19 October 2015 15: 39 New
              0
              Large is not better ...
        2. Penetrator
          Penetrator 19 October 2015 08: 50 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, a new army appeared, which no one expected even here on the site.

          Well, yes, here a society of outstanding experts in all areas of human knowledge has gathered. And even for such remarkable individuals, these reforms came as a surprise. What can we say about some miserable stupid Americans? lol
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 08: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Penetrator
            And even for such remarkable individuals, these reforms came as a surprise.

            2013 - 100 new aircraft and 200 new helicopters delivered to the military
            The people on the site-Serdyukov shit, in his judgment wassat
            1. Penetrator
              Penetrator 19 October 2015 09: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              2013 - 100 new aircraft and 200 new helicopters delivered to the military
              The people on the site-Serdyukov shit, in his judgment

              Tschemta, in this the main merit is not Serdyukov, but the NGS Gerasimov and Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin, as it seems to me. Well, Vladimir Vladimirovich light, no doubt.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 09: 16 New
                +2
                Quote: Penetrator
                Tschemta, in this the main merit is not Serdyukov, but the NGS Gerasimov and Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin, as it seems to me. Well, Vladimir Vladimirovich light, no doubt.

                Rogozin is the only language of awe. This is such a PR manager to beautifully tell how beautiful it will be.
                Something in the days of Serdyukov, I did not often hear the name Gerasimov, he probably worked a lot wink
                And of course, Putin, who else. And Serdyukov just stood nearby, had nothing to do with at all. Excuse me, have you come from Ukraine?
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 19 October 2015 10: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Excuse me, have you come from Ukraine?

                  Yes, from Ukraine, but almost forty years ago. Are you a hohlofob? smile By the way, Serdyukov was the main PR manager at that time. You know, in my opinion, non-public people are doing things, and not those who are shaking their chubby cheeks are broadcasting about the revival of the Russian army.
            2. Finches
              Finches 19 October 2015 09: 11 New
              +6
              Alexander, you see, people can be understood in this! By my example I can say - when you see a carving on a living thing, and without understanding to the end - why, then thoughts come to mind! I have, in a military unit of 55 officers, specialists and smart women, they cut 45 right away and get fired from the Armed Forces. Young, strong men who are versed in communication technology, able to work with personnel ... All ensigns are completely fired - many of whom constantly were on duty at the combat posts of communication centers, and it was they who laid the brunt of the training of ordinary specialists, as conscripts, that contractors ... You can write a lot about this, but the look of 2009 on this reform and the look now, in 2015, when the results are a bit visible - different things!
              1. dauria
                dauria 19 October 2015 09: 56 New
                +1
                You can write a lot about this, but the look of 2009 on this reform and the look now, in 2015, when the results are a bit visible - different things!



                Да , вы что , мужики?!! Обалдели ? Вроде кадровые, служили. Что вы за "результаты" оxренительные увидели?
                What scale is this? Front operation? didn’t you pull the division during the exercises?
                Понятны "восторги" несведующих, но вам-то лапшу на уши не навесишь.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 19 October 2015 10: 00 New
                  +4
                  There is a result - there is! The army has become a little different - not better or worse than it was, but different! This is the very result ...
                2. veksha50
                  veksha50 19 October 2015 14: 20 New
                  +1
                  Quote: dauria
                  What scale is this? Front operation? didn’t you pull the division during the exercises?



                  Hmm ... He served in the Soviet-Russian army since 1971 - began as a private, then a cadet and so on ... I saw a lot ... And now, if we grandfathers admire, then this is comparing the 90s and 2000- e years with what we see today ...

                  So it’s not necessary so ... Operation of the front ... Yes, we still counted 10-15 years ago and the army was gone !!! Prosrali in the 90s !!! All miscalculated that they could !!!
              2. veksha50
                veksha50 19 October 2015 14: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: Finches
                2009 look at this reform and look now, in 2015, when results are a bit visible - different things!



                Mdaaa, I completely agree ... but what happened in the 90s have not yet been remembered ...

                In general, let’s hope that SUCH will not happen again with the army ...
          2. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 19 October 2015 15: 48 New
            -1
            Quote: Penetrator
            Well, yes, here a society of outstanding experts in all areas of human knowledge has gathered.

            Shota Rustaveli wrote: "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from afar."
        3. Good me
          Good me 19 October 2015 08: 52 New
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, a new army appeared, which no one expected even here on the site.


          Why not expect? They expected to show what happened during the reforms.

          А вот того,что демонстрация(надеемся "промежуточного варианта") пройдёт так эффектно, в виде Crimea и Syrianobody really expected ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 08: 59 New
            +6
            Quote: Good Me

            Why not expect? They expected to show what happened during the reforms.

            True, we can take a look at comments that were about reforms in the army. Everything has collapsed, the kirdyk army and stuff like that.
            1. Good me
              Good me 19 October 2015 09: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              True, we can take a look at comments that were about reforms in the army. Everything has collapsed, the kirdyk army and stuff like that.


              Бестолочей, везде хватает, таких, что огульно критикуют всех и вся. И в то же время, можно глянуть и комментарии с высказываниями о правильности шагов, и "нейтральных" комментариев, авторы которых как раз и ждали результатов.

              Соотношение "всепросральщиков", к взвешенным комментаторам, наверное можно оценить как 40 к 60-ти...

              Вот и вы, Романов, порой, да "выплёскиваете" не понятную муть о "промахах" наших ВКС в Сирии...

              Where are you going? In 40, or 60%?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 09: 38 New
                -2
                Quote: Good Me
                Вот и вы, Романов, порой, да "выплёскиваете" не понятную муть о "промахах" наших ВКС в Сирии...

                If I see a blunder, why will I yell
                1. Good me
                  Good me 19 October 2015 09: 54 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  If I see a blunder, why will I yell


                  Ну да, тогда выходит, Генштаб врёт,что : "Все цели уничтожены".

                  А может, всё-таки, допускается какой-то процент "рассеивания" для FREE FALLING,HIGHLIGHTS a bomb, and not considered a blunder, because as a result, it still reaches the goal of destroying the object (manpower)?

                  You did not think about this?
            2. veksha50
              veksha50 19 October 2015 14: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              True, we can take a look at comments that were about reforms in the army. Everything has collapsed, the kirdyk army and stuff like that.



              Well, in general, it was so real and perceived ... I myself could not bear Taburetkin (and now, by the way ...) ... However, now I won’t praise him anyway ... I’ve been a lot of shame .. not one, however, but with Campaign ...
        4. Kostyar
          Kostyar 19 October 2015 08: 55 New
          0
          Experts: in the West underestimated the effectiveness of reforms carried out in the Russian army

          You still don’t know a lot of things before reading pussies, read the story .... You won’t stop wondering when you read and count how many times We, Russia, gave you fagots with a western shit stick on the head, trying to convince you once again !!!!
        5. dauria
          dauria 19 October 2015 09: 40 New
          +3
          Yes, a new army appeared, which no one expected


          А чем "старая" была хуже? Сократили армию и раздолбали систему образования, резерва из срочников нет. Вооружение обновили ? Так это было всегда, без этого никак.

          Тут не так надо писать: " Все думали, что у России вообще ниxрена нет, а глядишь ты! ещё рыпаются."

          Как может серьёзная разведка "не ожидать" ? Смеётесь, что-ли?
      2. Coronel76
        Coronel76 19 October 2015 08: 45 New
        +9
        It seems to me that the whole scandal surrounding Serdyukov was specially played out in order to divert attention from the main thing, the revival of the Army!
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 19 October 2015 08: 52 New
          +8
          Quote: Coronel76
          a new army appeared, which no one expected even here on the site.

          Quote: Coronel76
          the shackle around Serdyukov was played specifically to distract attention from the main thing, the revival of the Army!

          Now they’ve taken to the cosmodrome repeat So you wake up and Rogozin on Mars with Solovyov talk about the accession of Jupiter what
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 08: 59 New
            +8
            Quote: Ruslan67
            So you wake up and Rogozin on Mars with Solovyov about

            No, I don’t get so drunk laughing
        2. Penetrator
          Penetrator 19 October 2015 09: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Coronel76
          It seems to me that the whole scandal surrounding Serdyukov was specially played out in order to divert attention from the main thing, the revival of the Army!

          Yes Yes! Assign Serdyukov the title of Hero of Russia, and Vasilyeva the general of the army. People put their impeccable reputation at stake for the revival of our military power!
        3. Born in the USSR
          Born in the USSR 19 October 2015 09: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: Coronel76
          It seems to me that the whole scandal surrounding Serdyukov was specially played out in order to divert attention from the main thing, the revival of the Army!

          In this case, it’s more like this: "There would be no happiness, but misfortune helped"
        4. skrgar
          skrgar 19 October 2015 09: 26 New
          +1
          It seems to me that the whole scandal surrounding Serdyukov was specially played out in order to divert attention from the main thing, the revival of the Army! [/ Quote]
          Именно так.))) Само его назначение был "спектакль"))
        5. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 19 October 2015 16: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Coronel76
          It seems to me that the whole scandal surrounding Serdyukov was specially played out in order to divert attention from the main thing, the revival of the Army!


          Do you propose to start collecting signatures on the assignment of a HERO OF RUSSIA to him? Yes, there will be few quarters in the square ...
          Thousands of officers expelled from the army just scare their children so far. Or do you think that 3 years without recruiting for military schools strengthened the army? Do you even understand how long it takes to prepare a successful company commander, battalion, a regiment ... But in order to have someone to cook from, you need to recruit cadets. After all, it came to the fact that the academies were from major positions. And they taught strategies? Who will believe it! And finding an excuse for Serdyukov’s actions is an ungrateful thing. It can’t be whitened, no matter how anyone wants it.
          Good luck to everyone and our ARMY especially !!!
      3. Frigate
        Frigate 19 October 2015 08: 49 New
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        To be honest - I am a little in shock from our military reforms ... laughing

        Whenever Russia, it would seem broken, again rises from the ashes. And it gets even stronger. So, in essence, it was predictable. The only question is time.
        So I say that Americans are dead ends. And surprises await them. smile
        a photo
      4. Good me
        Good me 19 October 2015 08: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        Serdyukov, personally, I hate it, but I agree with the GDP - It was necessary!


        Here, on the site, someone has already compared Serdyukov with Menshikov ...

        They say that, although he stole godlessly, he served the Tsar and the Fatherland regularly.
        1. Finches
          Finches 19 October 2015 09: 28 New
          +1
          The scale, I think, is still not the same!
          1. Good me
            Good me 19 October 2015 10: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            The scale, I think, is still not the same!


            Theft, or service to the Fatherland?
            1. Finches
              Finches 19 October 2015 15: 41 New
              0
              And theft and service to the Fatherland! Only in the first case with the + sign, and in the second vice versa ...
          2. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 19 October 2015 16: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            The scale, I think, is still not the same!


            Do you mean theft? I completely agree.
      5. vladnn2015
        vladnn2015 19 October 2015 09: 04 New
        -4
        I am tormented by vague suspicions: if professionals run like this - the rear fighters will shoot the front! (See photo) - then what will they teach young fighters?
        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 19 October 2015 16: 16 New
          0
          Quote: vladnn2015
          I am tormented by vague suspicions: if professionals run like this - the rear fighters will shoot the front! (See photo) - then what will they teach young fighters?


          And no doubts torment me - you either did not serve in the army at all, or you never even went on the attack in a training battle. Or am I wrong in something?
      6. Belgorod
        Belgorod 19 October 2015 10: 48 New
        +4
        Or maybe Serdyukov, first appoint the Minister of Health, and then drop out on education?
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 19 October 2015 09: 27 New
      0
      What has become scary? Warriors uevy. Morda here sometimes beat, and are not shy. Where will you run? We have a lot of space in Siberia. Wilcomm. Meet and print.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 October 2015 09: 50 New
      0
      Experts: in the West underestimated the effectiveness of reforms carried out in the Russian army

      Well no. This is called-splashed in another way. Though ours did not make this special secret. Western negligence.
  2. ps-1972
    ps-1972 19 October 2015 08: 42 New
    +2
    It's nice to read that sky experts admitted that they sat in a puddle))
  3. leo3972
    leo3972 19 October 2015 08: 44 New
    +1
    We now have a real minister (Shoigu) and the tasks set by the president before the army will be completed by 5+ fellow
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 19 October 2015 16: 18 New
      0
      Quote: leo3972
      We now have a real minister (Shoigu) and the tasks set by the president before the army will be completed by 5+ fellow


      It seems you said it with irony?
  4. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 19 October 2015 08: 45 New
    10
    Poles underestimated in due time.
    Turks with allies underestimated.
    The French underestimated.
    Germans underestimated.
    Now underestimated again.
    History does not teach you anything, appraisers.
    Why evaluate?
    Just do not meddle with us!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 October 2015 08: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: Voha_krim
      History teaches you nothing, appraisers.

      If they evaluate soberly, they will be scared to live.
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 19 October 2015 09: 31 New
        0
        Here we call the screech of the Poles and the Baltic states a hysteria. Or maybe they, by virtue of experience, simply understand more than their curators? Maybe they’re rightly afraid?
        1. Vasily Krylov
          Vasily Krylov 19 October 2015 13: 51 New
          0
          No horseradish and the Poles and the Balts at one time tried to lead Russia, but nothing happened, and so they are afraid.
        2. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 19 October 2015 16: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Azitral
          Maybe they’re rightly afraid?


          Everything can be! Experience is a matter of fact. Maybe they will step on the same rake. And they will understand that there is no need to wake a sleeping bear ... It will hurt ...
    2. BLOND
      BLOND 19 October 2015 08: 48 New
      +2
      Experts: in the West underestimated the effectiveness of reforms carried out in the Russian army
      ...and thank God!!!
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    4. oblako
      oblako 19 October 2015 09: 23 New
      +1
      They appreciated everything, it’s a shift in our brains, war and Germans on the territory of the USSR ... the European Union, I mean ... and we all knock ourselves on the chest. We swing it with a pointed stick ... They swept the country then! .. Or do not want to see this?
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  6. papont64
    papont64 19 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +1
    Russia in this world has two allies, its army and its fleet.
  7. Smoked
    Smoked 19 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +1
    Have they appreciated something ?! Only the lazy one does not remember Serdyukov, but what is this underestimated according to the article, in the West, there is no part of his activity.
  8. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 19 October 2015 08: 49 New
    +2
    Experts: in the West underestimated the effectiveness of reforms carried out in the Russian army
    And now they scream like victims or cheated
  9. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 19 October 2015 08: 53 New
    +8
    Everything needs to be done to the best of your ability.
  10. solovey
    solovey 19 October 2015 08: 55 New
    +1
    Stupid Westerners will never understand how, Russia cannot be defeated in any army !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 October 2015 08: 59 New
    0
    Apparently, the organizational reforms of our army have benefited.
    And admitting your mistake means only
    that they will soon come up with a counteraction technique.
  12. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 19 October 2015 09: 01 New
    +1
    Hitler, I remember also underestimated (Stalin killed all and rolled into camps) And before him Napoleon (The serfs will meet civilizers with open arms).
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 19 October 2015 09: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Gormengast
      Hitler, I remember also underestimated (Stalin killed all and rolled into camps) And before him Napoleon (The serfs will meet civilizers with open arms).

      На цивилизованном Западе во времена Наполеона вообще не было принято, чтобы крестьяне за кого то воевали. Наполеон ужасно возмущался "нецивилизованными" методами русской войны. Крестьяне должны пахать и горло подставлять, когда их режут!
      Это вообще фишка такая, мол нечего рабам лезть во властные разборки. Чего суетиться, страна то не ваша! Она принадлежит властям, а народ - тушка для набивки! Вон, в каждом втором, не считая каждого первого, либеральном материале типа "путевые заметки" прилежно отмечается, что в западных странах о политике говорить "не принято", про вас, презренные русские, наш цивилизованный обыватель вообще не помнит...

      On this topic. Usually, our victories, except for the highest Russian fighting spirit, are due to the fact that we quickly borrow from our neighbors the best fighting techniques, weapons, tactics, equipment ... Reducing the immense population of generals, guzzling, drinking and intriguing, by their very existence blocking the operational leadership of troops - there is a great thing, perhaps the greatest for our army. And we should have borrowed it from the Americans back in 80 when it became clear that America correctly took into account the experience of Vietnam. And they did just now. Well, better now than never ...
      By the way, the cries about Serdyukov’s wheeling are largely due to the very generals who were suddenly set aside from fat feeders ...
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 19 October 2015 16: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Mikhail3
        In the civilized West


        For the Greek, the word "civilized" means tamed, crafted, grafted.
        The horse, the fastest of all animals tamed by man. And what are we worse? Here the west is trying to make us civilized ... i.e. fed.
        And finally, if you want to catch a ryp, you need to feed it well.
  13. roskot
    roskot 19 October 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    Yes, we are. Accustomed to surprise and amaze everyone. So what?
  14. Siberian
    Siberian 19 October 2015 09: 03 New
    +2
    ... Everything is not as simple as it seems ... those weights still hang on the reform of the Army — the first of them is corruption, the second is the notorious human factor, the third is still insufficient professionalism, and there’s a lot more to fight in the process of formation of the Army ... but most importantly, the locomotive of its reforms has gained the necessary momentum and you won’t stop it. So much now depends on us: how much we are ready to accept such an Army, ready to serve in it, whether we are doing everything to increase the authority of military service ....
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 19 October 2015 09: 36 New
      0
      The sad thing is that a lot depends on the personality of the leader. Awaken Yeltsin for ten years at the helm - there would have been neither a helm nor anything to steer.
  15. HAM
    HAM 19 October 2015 09: 08 New
    0
    На все заморочки на свете на западе есть "эксперты",как по мне- так это просто высокооплачиваемые "ОБС",а попросту бездельники,которые пытаются оправдать более высокопоставленных бездельников.Продолжайте,ребята,"экспертизу"-время нам очень сейчас нужно!
  16. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 19 October 2015 09: 08 New
    +2
    American analysts control everything in the Russian Federation: they fly over our territory, all payments made in our country go through them, they know the number of people on welfare, who and how much they get salaries, what kind of institutions and their problems.
    The scope of control of permissible control over the country exceeds all reasonable limits. Nevertheless, they managed to overlook.
    So I think so, in order to normalize relations with these hegemons, there is no need to give them a reason to believe that they are able to control and manage the processes occurring in the country, only then they will tighten their tail and behave in the framework of decency.
    The current American unbridledness is too expensive for the world community, paid for by the lives of millions of people and the endless suffering of the peoples of the world.
    The raking arms of the Americans must be forced into their own pockets and forced to live within their means. Then all the color revolutions, coups, terrorism will stop, because all this is done for money, and the Americans’ expenses are limited to turning on the machine for printing dollars.
    Although, of course, such information is pleasing.
  17. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 19 October 2015 09: 15 New
    +5
    Comrades, you just don’t be offended, but it seems to me that you are again struck by excessive optimism. Yes - the liberals underestimated our army, yes - cool, yes - for all of us it is like butter for the soul. But the economy makes the army, correct, but it seems that with the economy we are not all so chocolate? And they will block oxygen for the sale of oil and gas and it will be completely sour. For one of our aircraft - ten Usovsky, for one of our helicopter - ten Usovsky, for one of our aircraft carrier - twenty Usovsky. Submarines, surface ships, cruise missiles - what makes war successful in our time - statistics are also completely not in our favor. Therefore, yes - cool, but for starters, and without tantrums of joy. And continue in the same spirit and with the same determination. Now minus :)
    1. HAM
      HAM 19 October 2015 09: 25 New
      +2
      You would be minded on the cheers-patriotic sites, and here people think a little. Of course, not everything is as smooth as you want, but in the West there isn’t everything as beautiful as they paint, your own skin is always closer ..
    2. Izotovp
      Izotovp 19 October 2015 10: 21 New
      +4
      Michael, it’s still sadder if we compare our group in Siberia and the Far East. Even South Korea has more planes and ships than we do, but I’m not talking about the size and equipment of the Japanese Navy. Yes, and regularly held exercises in China with a scenario of action by large groups over long distances and in cold conditions ...
      And another fly in the ointment in this universal urya: retraining the reserve. Where is DOSAAF or its analogs, where could one retrain at one of their higher education institutions or master another? Even if not free, at cost, but not at commercial prices !!!! We have a lot of engineer officers in reserve, which in case of war cannot be applied in their specialty, due to the lack of vacancy (for example: engineers on the launch pad). No more launches will be needed and as a result a large number of competent strong men will be out of work. And this is not only in the Space Forces, everyone, I think, will find examples for himself.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 19 October 2015 13: 15 New
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        Izotovp
        Very sensible comment. It would be good if these proposals were reached by those who ex officio can influence the decision.
    3. Nehist
      Nehist 19 October 2015 15: 05 New
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      I agree with you that excessive optimism is present! By and large, rearmament affected the western and southern districts, while the eastern okrug has been in complete prostration lately. Yes, all this is beautiful according to the report and video material, but in fact, as the units were more than one, the finished parts remained. And the pace of development of the Armed Forces has already begun to slow down due to the collapse of the economy, which, incidentally, has been repeatedly published recently on VO articles. So early to rejoice
  18. morpogr
    morpogr 19 October 2015 09: 17 New
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    Ay yai yay again overlooked, not appreciated and intelligence overslept. soldier
  19. ivan bogomolov
    ivan bogomolov 19 October 2015 09: 25 New
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    Brothers, not everything is so rosy, still a lot of work, let's not be like the western deer, we, as always, need time to completely restore our military and political superiority. We were lucky with the GDP, a very smart and sensible scout, like his picked up team , I’m not talking about officials, but about specialists whom we don’t see, you understand me. It’s very early to talk about our successes, but what happened with EBN is heaven and earth.
  20. Mercenary
    Mercenary 19 October 2015 09: 26 New
    +2
    "Эксперты: на Западе недооценили результативность реформ, проводимых в российской армии"
    I’m not an expert, I served in the 80s and I don’t understand anything either, at least in my years there wasn’t such organization, so much training, shooting. With a quiet glanders marching and sweeping the parade ground (the construction of general dachas was still not in fashion then)
  21. seregina68
    seregina68 19 October 2015 09: 44 New
    +2
    У наших "партнёров" тоже не все хорошо...Вспомните на ВО была статья о том, что на учениях в ФРГ вместо пулемётов были палки деревянные, и что их вооружение уже давно устарело.
  22. Azitral
    Azitral 19 October 2015 09: 47 New
    +1
    Пришла мне в голову не то, чтобы неприятная, но тяжелая мысль: в наше время, и, особенно, 2000 - 2004 гг. дело не то, что надо, а НЕОБХОДИМО было вести так, чтобы оно выглядело очередным провалом. Чтоб все, не только враги, но и мы, грешные, считали бы что "путинслил" и "всепропало". Если б наши заклятые партнеры заподозрили, что дело, - хоть чуть-чуть! - идет на лад, они б нам устроили. Санкции начались бы лет на десять раньше, и прочее. Есть у этого дела другая сторона: если "получается, как всегда", у народа начинается уныние. А они - да, не дураки по Задорнову, конечно, а обыватели и дилетанты, способны верить только в то, что лично им приятно и импонирует. К примеру, объясните мне, ради бога, откуда взялся дикий миф, что русские - ЛЕНИВЫ7 Обидно, конечно, но, если вдуматься, то пусть верят.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 19 October 2015 13: 39 New
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      Насчет "ленивых русских"
      Firstly, it’s propaganda, to attribute to the Russians all the negative qualities in order to justify the suffering that the pro-Western economists doom to the people,
      secondly, the wrong method of interpreting labor productivity, when in the average salary
      incomparable salaries of senior managers are taken into account (in Soviet times, the management salary was not included in the calculation of indicators, although it was higher than 2 times the maximum, and even then it is not always, but now it is taken into account, although more than dozens, or even hundreds of times ). As a result, it turns out that labor productivity is low, in fact, simply the salaries of managers are too high, and the fact that the vast majority of citizens of the country grow vegetables themselves, many provide meat, milk, eggs, etc., many in the West even imagine they can’t do it themselves. Although it’s even better that they don’t know.
  23. ARES623
    ARES623 19 October 2015 09: 56 New
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    Во-первых, не надо нам самим себя переоценивать и заниматься шапкозакидательством. А манера такая у нас есть. Они ("вероятный противник") тоже совершенствуются.
    Secondly, the Anglo-Saxons will never calm down while Russia exists. And even when they show external calmness, one cannot believe this, because evil intent will stand behind it.
  24. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 19 October 2015 10: 00 New
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    Russia began to make up for power by leaps and bounds, America and NATO screeched, supposedly slammed everything, how it could happen, and now it's too late ... Russia declared itself both in the Crimea and in Syria and generally at the world level. It seems to me that Russia will still change a lot on this globe ... the process has begun
  25. ASUR
    ASUR 19 October 2015 10: 16 New
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    The most important reform is ANTIderdyukovschina
  26. radogos
    radogos 19 October 2015 11: 11 New
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    Su ... if life teaches you nothing!
  27. 5344443243366
    5344443243366 19 October 2015 11: 25 New
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    Англосаксы-враг извечный коварный бессовестный понимающий только силу. Недооценивать -нельзя,давить-можно. Гораздо страшнее враг внутренний-"Христенки" "Дворковичи" "Голиковы"... -"эффективная" псевдоэлита-читай язва на лице государства. И основная ставка в войне англосаксов с нами делается именно на них. Вот это действительно жутко-что там озабоченность западных аналитиков по сравнению с этим спрутом
  28. provincial
    provincial 19 October 2015 11: 49 New
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    Wait a bit and do not bother, or else there will be.
  29. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 October 2015 12: 12 New
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    Western military analysts underestimated the capabilities of the Russian army

    Ни чего удивительного. Если относиться к России как к захудалой региональной державе, то американских аналитиков еще ждут сюрпризы. Вот, что значит навязанное Обамой (с подачи армии советников) ложное мнение о нашей стране. Продолжайте ребята-"демократы" в том же духе. А Россия постарается вас удивить еще не раз.
  30. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
    Vladimir Pozlnyakov 19 October 2015 12: 25 New
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    Если учесть, что "Калибры" уже размещаются на судах водоизмещением до 1000 тонн, то к базам натовских ПРО никаких перебросок сухопутных войск РФ и не нужно! 1500 км с Чёрного, Балтийского, Северного, Каспия - пусть наглосаксы и европоиды успевают только линейкой и циркулем по картам елозить!!!
  31. suharev-52
    suharev-52 19 October 2015 12: 28 New
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    For a long time I did not leave comments on the site. But .... - forced. It seems that 99% of the comments on the site have not left the kindergarten age. Well-balanced, competent discussions about the issue raised became very rare. Moderators - can cancel shoulder straps or revise the growth of ranks?
    Giving them not for the amount, but for the quality of the comments. Sincerely.
  32. Россия 24
    Россия 24 19 October 2015 14: 04 New
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    Experts are rarely right, either they underestimated or overestimated, and the minds of Russia are not understood especially by experts from the West.
  33. veksha50
    veksha50 19 October 2015 14: 05 New
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    "В США и Европе особое внимание уделили the third, not yet brought to mind phase of these reforms"...

    But in vain ... There would not have been the first two - then the third would not have been needed ...

    No matter how I used to spit on these reforms, however, an combat-ready army with modern equipment and weapons trained by personnel has emerged from an incomprehensible offspring ...

    May God grant that this continues and develops further ... I am not bloodthirsty, and I do not need other people's lands, but I want to feel that no one will conquer the country in which we and all of us live and will not make us slaves ...

    P.S. Вон, бывших "друзей" по Варшавскому договору, таких, как Польша, прибалты и иные - без всякой войны рабами сделали... Не хотелось бы жить в стране, прогибающейся под кого либо...