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Media: US Navy will conduct the first test of a missile defense system in Europe

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The US Navy will test for the first time the missile defense system in Europe, reports RIA News a Military.com resource link citing sources in the 6th navy.


Media: US Navy will conduct the first test of a missile defense system in Europe


“The USA, Canada, Spain, France, Great Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, Norway and Italy will take part in the tests. Four American ships will join the eight vessels of other countries for testing, ”the publication says.

During the test, the system will intercept the "unarmed ballistic missile fired from the British Hebrides off the coast of Scotland."

In addition, it is planned to intercept an anti-ship missile "launched at the same time from a closer distance."

It is reported that "the tests will be carried out to work out the coordination of actions against several missiles in the framework of the concept of a unified air defense and missile defense system."

According to the resource, “automated command and control systems will be involved, such as the Aegis ballistic missile tracking system installed on more than 30 US Navy combat ships and the SM-3 guided missile.”

Recall, the United States and European allies have been developing European missile defense systems for more than 10 years, citing the threat posed by Iran.
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  1. herruvim
    herruvim 18 October 2015 11: 54 New
    36
    2025 year. Family in Syria.
    -Dad, are there any Americans?
    - No, son, it's fantastic !!!
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 18 October 2015 12: 02 New
      11
      And on their cunning missile defense we will run up against KhitroProtivoPROM (KSPRO as part of the Strongly Secret Forces (SZS) of the Russian Federation)! laughing
      soldier
      1. varov14
        varov14 19 October 2015 00: 28 New
        +3
        Tests are some kind of frivolous, a cabal. There is no need to turn to Vladimir Vladimirovich - you shoot, we defend ourselves, and we shoot unexpectedly, we looked, then each eliminates the imperfections. The Baltic countries can be used as a landfill - Europe is all the same make-believe, and the infrastructure has been teased, it's not so bad.
        1. Dorboz
          Dorboz 19 October 2015 18: 14 New
          0
          A very real topic, I would not be surprised if it will be embodied in the near future.
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 18 October 2015 12: 03 New
      +7
      So that they fail these trials with a roar and do not escape shame from the world community laughing
      1. captain
        captain 18 October 2015 12: 13 New
        +2
        Blessed is he who believes. The main thing in this case is to choose the right faith.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 18 October 2015 13: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: captain
          .Main in this case, choose the right faith.

          Faith in US Orthodox and Russian Army! And there are EW and other beautiful troubles for the SGA!
          1. captain
            captain 18 October 2015 15: 20 New
            +3
            I dare to correct you, we have about 100mln. Orthodox. (I can not vouch for the accuracy. Our Orthodox Church writes to the Orthodox all Russians, Ukrainians ... and Muslims about 30mln.) And there are Catholics. Protestants, Buddhists, Jews ... and the sea of ​​all sects.
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 18 October 2015 20: 55 New
        0
        What are you !!! Let them succeed as planned! Let them be confident in their ability to repel a missile strike of monstrous mass in two whole missiles!
        Py. Sy. If I’m not mistaken, a missile salvo at AUG of at least 20 missiles.
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    4. Finches
      Finches 18 October 2015 12: 07 New
      34
      I have a suspicion that when Caliber worked from the Caspian, more than one tie was eaten in the EuroPro and Pentagon marquees, realizing that the time and money spent on this missile defense was all in vain! And now they are bustling with their teachings trying to prove to everyone that the missile defense system is a thing in order to blur the eyes of the layman and taxpayers, deep down realizing that they are all, vaunted brigadier generals of glorious NATO forces, in a deep ass! laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 October 2015 12: 15 New
        15
        "что потраченное время и деньги на эту противоракетную херню - все зря! "///

        Why in vain? Both Caliber and Tomahawk are subsonic winged
        missiles, bring down their good air defense is quite real.
        If the start is detected and monitored, then the simplest thing is
        raise fighters. But there are also anti-missiles.
        Both Russians and Americans.
        These missiles are going to test in Europe.
        Although the main task of missile defense is not a missile defense, but a medium-range missile.
        They are much harder to shoot down. Mostly created against them
        Aegis in the USA and S-500 in Russia.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 18 October 2015 12: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Although the main task of missile defense is not medium-range missiles, but medium-range missiles, they are much more difficult to shoot down. Mostly against them created Aegis in the USA and S-500 in Russia.


          With KR it is clear, especially with subsonic

          And how realistic is it to bring down maneuvering ballistic warheads?

          And in general, is it real? And how much anti-missile is needed for this?


          1. Thronekeeper
            Thronekeeper 18 October 2015 13: 39 New
            +7
            Ну, скажем, ПРО АУГ даже малозаметный сверхзвуковой "Оникс" не собьёт, от слова "никак". Х-15П с сетчатым металлизированным покрытием малозаметную тоже сбить почти никак, хотя изделие времени Горби. Эштон Картер грил в 2013, что при обнаружении РЛС "Иджис" Х-15 с 25 км по параметру не хватит времени помолиться hi
            Неманеврирующий ББ, особенно, если это РСМД, а не МБР - таки сбивает "Иджис", по ББ МБР значительно хуже "триумфа". А "Вулкан", "Гранит", Х-31ПД тем паче - "Оникс", с ЭМИБЧ, и, если совсем хреново - "Светлым будущим чееечества" спокойно протыкают еврейский жалезный куМпол, особенно со Средиземки. Тоже ограниченная система - против РСЗО и устаревших ОТР.
            "Стандарты" хороши бить на активном участке. СМ-2, конечно, СМ-3 для этого не годен. Да и С-300/С-400/С-500 тоже, хотя бы потому, что несколько ББ собьёт в одном флаконе. В этом и весь сок размещения в Сирии "Триумфа". Нужен ещё в зоне Пакистана, Египте и Иране, чтоб всех макак с ядерной гранатой нейтрализовать.
            Potentially, the Saudi (why Iran) have BB packs and Chinese (officially) 2500km rockets.
            А Шестой флот - он таки знакомится с "Титаником" "Бэкфайрами" "путинского экспресса" и "Северодвинском", так что рассчитывать на него, как на ПРО - оПРОметчиво.
            1. Oman 47
              Oman 47 19 October 2015 02: 16 New
              0
              Colleague, and what is the role of the mesh metallized coating on the X-15P?
              Radar Absorption?
              Stealth through ionization?

              Sorry, I'm in this matter - hello, concrete ...
              1. Thronekeeper
                Thronekeeper 19 October 2015 03: 28 New
                +1
                Mesh metallized coating scatters the X-ray radiation by 90%, the round wire in the section gives the effect of an angular reflector at only one point.
                I’ll throw it on RM, since you’re unlikely to come here yet.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 18 October 2015 13: 56 New
            +7
            for bulvas"
            "А насколько реально сбить маневрирующие баллистические боеголовки?"///

            If you are about ICBMs, then today it’s almost impossible to bring them down, even
            if they do not maneuver.
            "Почти" потому что есть батарея на Аляске, которую научили сбивать худо-бедно МБР,
            flying across the pacific ocean. Those. from China to California. But efficiency
            about 50%. Those. one missile needs to launch 2-3 missiles.
            Development seems to be stopped.
            If you are talking about short-range ballistic missiles of the Iskander type (low trajectory), then this is also unrealistic.
            But developments against such missiles are going intensively.
            Aegis knocks down medium-range balloons well in a high section of the trajectory.
            Russia does not have such missiles (under a treaty), but Iran, Pakistan, India, and China have plenty.
            1. Thronekeeper
              Thronekeeper 18 October 2015 14: 28 New
              +1
              Собственно, об этом я и говорил, уважаемый voyaka uh. РСМД "Иджис" сбивает. С МБР очень кисло. С маневрирующими ББ и малозаметными сверхзуковыми ПКР - никак. "Триумф" по МБР всё-таки работает (ББ на 6800м/с на учениях). А если МБР высокой энергетики и настильной траектории, как "Воевода", там и неманеврирующие х*ен собьёшь, хотя половина таки маневрируют, ну и ЛЦ туева хонна.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 18 October 2015 14: 48 New
                0
                ""Триумф" по МБР всё-таки работает"////

                Then you got excited wink . S-400 and medium-range ballistic missiles
                can only bring down on approach, on the descent.
                Here is the newly developed S-500, like, maybe
                Shoot down medium BRs high in space.
                About ICBMs ... don't even talk. And such trials never
                did not have. And such targets do not exist.
        2. Myth
          Myth 18 October 2015 12: 25 New
          +1
          caliber subsonic rocket? And you compare the caliber speed and the tomahawk, who is faster?
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 18 October 2015 16: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: Myth
            And you compare the caliber speed and the tomahawk, who is faster?
        3. Finches
          Finches 18 October 2015 12: 29 New
          +7
          There is a slight nuance that everyone has noticed - the Caliber missile system looks like an ordinary 12-meter cargo sea container! This camouflage can be discreetly on a ship, in a railway carriage, caravan, and even on an airplane.
          There are a myriad of such containers in any seaport. Determining which of the hundreds of containers the Caliber complex is installed inside is practically impossible. Unlike Tomogavka, when we know in advance where they are - here! And this, as you know, absolutely changes the rules of the game - no plane can catch it! The caliber easily affects the entire missile defense system, and then the BR can also be used.
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          2. bulvas
            bulvas 18 October 2015 12: 45 New
            14
            Quote: Finches
            The Caliber missile system looks like a regular twelve-meter cargo sea container


            This is an extreme case, which, most likely, will not be

            They will not start a war between Russia and NATO, at least today there are no such idiots in the world.

            Syria, missiles from the Caspian Sea have shown that Russia is too strong in conventional weapons to communicate with us over Ukraine.

            You can forget about the threat of direct war.

            But this does not mean that they will stop spoiling us wherever possible.

            In addition, Germany, Europe will not quarrel with the United States over Russia.
            The slightest attempt to disobey - and the US is hitting Europe very painfully, recall the gigantic fines on French banks, the Volkswagen case (is there a connection with the recent launch of an engine manufacturing plant in Russia?).

            Such strikes interrupt all the benefits of cooperation with Russia, practical Germans value everything perfectly

            Russia has the only way out - to build a strong, full-fledged economy based on science and technology, and no one will help itself
            1. tol100v
              tol100v 18 October 2015 13: 47 New
              0
              Quote: bulvas
              But this does not mean that they will stop spoiling us wherever possible.

              Нагло-саксы всегда гадили, куда только не попадали, а Россию всегда обозначают врагом и целью номер один! Может стоит сказать "партнерам", что при первой же попытке атаки на Россию, они будут ликвидированы как террористы!?
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              2. bulvas
                bulvas 18 October 2015 16: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: Tol100v
                Может стоит сказать "партнерам", что при первой же попытке атаки на Россию, они будут ликвидированы как террористы!?



                And they will liquidate us as whom?

                Parity has not been canceled

                Even if after this we survive, weaken so much that Lithuania and Poland will be happy to grab pieces

            2. Zumich
              Zumich 18 October 2015 13: 52 New
              +7
              That's right, just raise and develop the economy, the defense industry,
              другого пути у России нет, другое "вражеская лирика".
              I am always depressed: in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs there are always smart, competent, responsible, etc., etc., the blat and kinship are minimal,
              but as soon as you look inside the country, it’s scary: brother-in-law is brother-in-law and further on the list.
              Saying: when one smart worthy relative, this is an exception to the rule, the rest is a high-ranking mediocrity, the norm.
              И с этой "плесенью" архи сложно бороться, а молодые без "тылУ" и лизоподобия, наши современные "Циолковские и Столыпины" работают потихонечку, айк'ю вырабатывают, кто бежит из страны, кто пьет кто еще чем то занят, .....


              Yeah, it turned out somehow gloomy, but
              I really love my country and I am bitter that our domestic policy and strategy lags far behind foreign.
              As soon as we catch up, not a single trash will dare to bark at us anymore.
          3. mav1971
            mav1971 18 October 2015 21: 36 New
            0
            Quote: Finches
            There is a slight nuance that everyone has noticed - the Caliber missile system looks like an ordinary 12-meter cargo sea container! This camouflage can be discreetly on a ship, in a railway carriage, caravan, and even on an airplane.
            There are a myriad of such containers in any seaport. Determining which of the hundreds of containers the Caliber complex is installed inside is practically impossible. Unlike Tomogavka, when we know in advance where they are - here! And this, as you know, absolutely changes the rules of the game - no plane can catch it! The caliber easily affects the entire missile defense system, and then the BR can also be used.


            Смотрю на вашу воспаленную мысль, явно возникшую после просмотра тупой (в смысле реально тупой, расчитаной на полных кретинов) рекламы комплекса Клуб в контейнерах, ответьте мне на такой вопрос: "Что мешает потенциальному противнику разместить Томагавк в контейнере?"
            И точно также по вашей же логике:"Определить, в каком именно из сотен контейнеров установлен внутри комплекс «Томагавк», практически невозможно....А это, как Вы понимаете абсолютно меняет правила игры - никакой самолет не успеет на перехват! Томагавк с легкостью поражает всю систему ПРО России, а затем в ход можно пускать и БР."
            Or are you amers for complete idiots thinks?
            Не думаете ли вы, что почти в 100 летнем противостоянии с Россией они не научились нашей логике и не научились думать про то, что "на каждую труднодоступную ягодицу находится половой член с вариативным изменением фрикций"?


            By the way, about customs, container inspection points in ports in the know?
            Absolutely all containers crossing the border at customs points, including in ports - are X-rayed.
            On which absolutely everything will be visible.
            so don’t dream that there may be military containers on the territory of the countries of the potential enemy. And hit suddenly.
            it's just nonsense to put it mildly a complete idiot.
            And they drew this advertisement too. For an unviable idea. Basically. From the word: No way!
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      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 18 October 2015 14: 23 New
        +3
        the joke was that they never saw the launch and movement of our cruise missiles, and another serious problem was that the launch was carried out from ships that, in principle, were not considered as launch platforms, and we have more and more of them. The missile defense was built against ballistic missiles, and then cruise missiles, and also hypersound at the exit. The value of missile defense is reset, and a huge amount of money has been spent. The only trouble is that we have few of these missiles, we need a lot more, and they are expensive. I feel that in the next couple of decades a fundamentally new weapon will appear and that whoever possesses it will rule the world. God grant that we become this lucky.
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 18 October 2015 21: 52 New
          -2
          Quote: Maxom75
          the joke was that they never saw the launch and movement of our cruise missiles, and another serious problem was that the launch was carried out from ships that, in principle, were not considered as launch platforms ...


          Did you come up with this yourself?

          The 21631 and 11661K projects were initially calculated under Caliber ...
          Built under Caliber and armed with Caliber.

          D, B!
    5. Samaritan
      Samaritan 18 October 2015 12: 21 New
      +8
      Another scandal in the usa, the drone operator revealed secret information:
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 18 October 2015 12: 29 New
        +3
        Against anyone interested .. ??? Our missile defense will soon (or already) be near the American continent and on both sides!
  2. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 18 October 2015 11: 57 New
    +2
    I wonder what results will be achieved. Effective program or not.
    Yes, and the Strategic Missile Forces with VKS note ... wink
    1. Altona
      Altona 18 October 2015 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir
      I wonder what results will be achieved. Effective program or not.

      ----------------------------
      Каких-нибудь добьются, в любом случае налогоплательщикам надо что то петь, на что денежки истратили...Ну и нашим хорошо, тоже изучат, что за зверь такой и каковы сейчас его возможности...Но тут опять же, перехват баллистической ракеты и неизвестно какой "противокорабельной", скорее всего дозвуковой...
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 18 October 2015 11: 58 New
    +3
    I hope our scouts have already pricked up their ears.
  4. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 18 October 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    Look there, behave yourself ... otherwise we will conduct some tests in Europe
    1. remy
      remy 18 October 2015 22: 41 New
      0
      it will be funny if we were the first to destroy these missiles ...
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 October 2015 12: 02 New
    +2
    Американцы прос... наши пуски "Калибра", перед этим они так же активно прокакали участие нашей авиации в Сирии. Что им остается делать? Только проводить какие-то испытания.
  6. provincial
    provincial 18 October 2015 12: 02 New
    +3
    Yeah, that means there were doubts about the effectiveness of missile defense.
  7. 31rus
    31rus 18 October 2015 12: 04 New
    +7
    Уже испытали ваши "подопечные"удар по базе ВВС Саудовской-Аравии,ракетами "Скад",со стороны Йемена,только три сбито,остальные достигли цели и уничтожили "кучу"самолетов,вертолетов и офицеров,так что флаг вам в руки и якорь на спину
  8. raid14
    raid14 18 October 2015 12: 04 New
    +2
    Against Iran, the whole world is holding idiots, it’s a no brainer that Euro-missile defense is designed against Russian weapons.
    During the test, the system will intercept the "unarmed ballistic missile fired from the British Hebrides off the coast of Scotland."
    Против "Искандера", "Ярса" и "Тополя"
    In addition, it is planned to intercept an anti-ship missile "launched at the same time from a closer distance."
    Против "Калибра" и ПКР "Гранит" с особыми боезарядами.
  9. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 18 October 2015 12: 11 New
    +6
    The main thing is that the NTO workers did not forget to install the beacon on the rockets. And so they would ask if we would send them a caliber or whatever they would. They will not catch, well, then I'm sorry.
  10. Frigate
    Frigate 18 October 2015 12: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: herruvim
    2025 year. Family in Syria.
    -Dad, are there any Americans?
    - No, son, it's fantastic !!!

    wink
  11. roskot
    roskot 18 October 2015 12: 14 New
    +2
    During the test, the system will intercept the "unarmed ballistic missile fired from the British Hebrides off the coast of Scotland."

    Могли бы и нас попросить. Для достоверности "Тополь" подошел бы или "Колибр".
  12. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 18 October 2015 12: 17 New
    +4
    Да пусть себе испытывают ... после пуска "Калибров" ... стало совсем ясно ... чем можно подавить ПРО вероятного противника в первентивном ударе ... даже на этапе "неядерной" фазы военных действий ... Ответ уже дан ...
    And the possibility of placement in an ordinary sea container ... makes senseless attempts to detect missiles ... containers can be everywhere ... for example, in Cuba))
  13. askort154
    askort154 18 October 2015 12: 17 New
    +5
    Ничего у них не получится до тех пор, пока не пригласят на учения украинский "флагман" - "Согайдачный".
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 18 October 2015 12: 27 New
      +4
      He will not swim to them.
  14. EFA
    EFA 18 October 2015 12: 18 New
    +5
    Teachings about ... I’m wondering, will it be full-scale tests, with direction finding, capture and destruction / interception of a real rocket, or just a system simulation?

    If, nevertheless, a real rocket, then there is one thing but - it is not ours. And tweak a successful interception like two fingers.

    Наверное сделают симуляцию, потому как пролет реальной ракеты через ЕС никто не одобрит. А "зашуганным" Путиным западным овощам рапортуют о том что крепка броня и танки наши быстры, на этом все и успокоятся.
    1. stayer
      stayer 18 October 2015 16: 12 New
      +1
      I agree with you. And plus they know in advance where the rocket will fly from. After firing from the Caspian, they need to launch 20-30 pieces at once simultaneously, and even from different directions. Then it will become clear what the missile defense is worth. Not in the sense of money, but in the sense of its effectiveness. After all, if the Russians are brought to war, they will not shoot at one racket, but immediately in one gulp. Here a completely different calico is drawn ...
  15. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 18 October 2015 12: 20 New
    +5
    При этом,условная цель будет двигаться по заранее известному маршруту с заданной скоростью и траектория будет проходить над кораблём ПРО. Такое уже было у американцев и результат был "впечатляющим" lol
    With today's technologies, only one or two objects can be protected from a nuclear attack (such as a city or a relatively small area), because You can calculate the trajectory of a warhead designed for this particular target and bring it down. But you cannot protect, even hypothetically large territories from such an attack. Especially not with one missile, but with several. So all this mouse fuss is for the electorate and its money lol
    They will knock down, they will say that the missile defense system is reliable and will be like a golden billion will continue to cut the money of unsuspecting defenseless citizens and play on ordinary human fears request
    Personally, my opinion hi
    ПС у нас таким районом является Москва(ну и ещё чисто гипотетически парочка городов на Урале с их важностью в плане науки и развития вооружения), у ФША свой "форт-нокс", а для евролохов можно и в сказочки поиграть с защитой ВСЕЙ(!) Европы от Ирана lol (read - Russia) ...
    And after all! lol No words ... request
    1. Frigate
      Frigate 18 October 2015 12: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      , у ФША свой "форт-нокс", а для евролохов можно и в сказочки поиграть с защитой ВСЕЙ(!) Европы от Ирана lol (read - Russia) ...
      There are no words request

      Well, it remains to be seen whether it is more difficult to breed Euro-suckers than Euro-crests or not. smile
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      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 18 October 2015 12: 42 New
        +2
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/203/lbgi538.jpg
        So first
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      4. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 18 October 2015 12: 45 New
        +1
        It's Easy!
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/342/tgkf788.jpg
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 October 2015 15: 29 New
      +1
      "т.к. можно вычислить траекторию боеголовки ,предназначенную именно этой цели и сбить её"///

      Comp instantly calculates ANY trajectory of the BR, from where and where
      they didn’t let her in. Aegis is stationed on almost all US Navy ships.
      Ships patrol in different seas and are connected by a single information network.
      The trajectory of the rocket will be transmitted to all of them and will produce shots
      successively several ships closest: if the previous one missed,
      next shoots. The probability of hitting a single missile is very high.
      With a massive salvo, of course, some BR will break through. But you have to start small ... wink
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 18 October 2015 16: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Ships patrol in different seas and are connected by a single information network.

        Когда "упадёт" сетка эффективность системы упадёт следом. Если траектория идеальна просчитать её можно, а если боеголовка перейдёт на ломанную траекторию. Выпущенной ранее ракете перехватчику понадобится уже больше топлива, да и всё расчёты сразу сместятся.
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 18 October 2015 21: 06 New
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        I am not very sure about the preservation of the information network in the event of real use of nuclear weapons. Well, except in the form of programs on the Morse code. hi
  16. roskot
    roskot 18 October 2015 12: 20 New
    +3
    Surrounded by demons. Impudence began.
  17. 205577
    205577 18 October 2015 12: 24 New
    +5
    Of course, this was to be expected.
    Peace-loving Americans need at least something to reassure in the trash Geyropeytsev who have done in panties.
    Well, at least create the illusion of missile defense.
    And then after a missile attack by the Caspian flotilla, they somehow took it in Geyrop and carried it with a ruler on the map, and what they saw as a result was clearly not encouraging.
    By nature, I’m not at all bloodthirsty, but what a fool you need to seriously think that some overseas state, thoroughly showing its treacherous and corrupt nature, will protect this idyllic (though they themselves decided so) Geyropu, with all her homo-parades from Russia, if such a need arises.
    Although what kind of reason can there be if the concept of managing a normal majority of an abnormal, sick, degenerate minority is officially adopted in their society?
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 October 2015 12: 24 New
    +2
    The result is known in advance. In the media there will be reports that everything went more than successfully. But in reality ... As a matter of fact, only intelligence and specialists will know. Both ours and theirs.
  19. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 18 October 2015 12: 34 New
    +2
    This is only to calm the stupid Balts, and to slow down Poland, which begs money to the tune of the threat of Greater Russia.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 18 October 2015 12: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: herruvim
    -Dad, are there any Americans?
    - No, son, it's fantastic !!!

    Unfortunately, this is a reality. But, the US must be destroyed!
  21. Stinger
    Stinger 18 October 2015 12: 44 New
    +2
    Нас попросят обстрелять "Искандерами", или только "Калибрами"? В натуре!
  22. veksha50
    veksha50 18 October 2015 12: 50 New
    +4
    "US Navy will conduct first missile defense tests in Europe"...

    Laugh, don’t laugh, but the application is serious ... Most likely, the Caspian salute is a feat for this ...

    All that remains for us is to track the results in all possible ways, and draw conclusions ... Yes, and it would not hurt ourselves sometimes to conduct serious exercises with air defense-aerospace defense ...

    P.S. Чуть не ляпнул в адрес америкосов: А на наших "посылках" потренироваться не желаете ???
  23. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 13: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Myth
    caliber subsonic rocket? And you compare the caliber speed and the tomahawk, who is faster?

    Вы правы. "Калибр" быстрее. На 30 км/час...

    Quote: bulvas
    But how realistic is it to bring down maneuvering ballistic warheads? And in general, is it real? And how much anti-missile is needed for this?

    Maneuvering is not yet in nature. Only tested. How real? Realistically, but depends on many factors? Depends on how many goals, where to shoot down. Also on the probability of hitting the target by the missile defense itself. Depending on this, the number of missiles is considered ...

    Quote: Rurikovich
    При этом,условная цель будет двигаться по заранее известному маршруту с заданной скоростью и траектория будет проходить над кораблём ПРО. Такое уже было у американцев и результат был "впечатляющим

    And what happens in our exercises isn’t it? Calculations "ну прямо таки совершенно не знают" from which side will the goal come, or an approximate time? especially if testing is underway? In both cases, the technique should work. But from how it works - and there will be results

    Quote: Rurikovich
    With today's technologies, only one or two objects can be protected from a nuclear attack (such as a city or a relatively small area), because You can calculate the trajectory of a warhead designed for this particular target and bring it down. But you cannot protect, even hypothetically large territories from such an attack. Especially not with one missile, but with several. So all this mouse fuss is for the electorate and its money

    You forgot to add one word MASSED. But no missile defense can protect against it. A potential adversary of this missile defense system in Europe has only ballistic missile defense and the absence of nuclear warheads. In any case, the number of missiles that are in Romania and on the ships is enough to thwart Iran’s missile attack ...

    Quote: EFA
    Teachings about ... I’m wondering, will it be full-scale tests, with direction finding, capture and destruction / interception of a real rocket, or just a system simulation?

    The real one. What is the point of doing virtual when already tried in real life.

    Quote: EFA
    They will probably make a simulation, because no one will approve the passage of a real rocket through the EU.

    And read the article more closely? There it is clearly written where the rocket will be launched from ...

    Quote: silberwolf88
    Да пусть себе испытывают ... после пуска "Калибров" ... стало совсем ясно ... чем можно подавить ПРО вероятного противника в первентивном ударе ... даже на этапе "неядерной" фазы военных действий ... Ответ уже дан ...

    Yah? Is it really given? Or do we want to consider what is given? ISIS did not have both air defense systems and radars to detect and destroy these missiles. And based on the fact that the missiles passed through non-air defense zones, profound conclusions are already being drawn that we will suppress missile defense at a time ??? Oh well. To draw conclusions from the wrong postulate is dashing, the main thing is that self-esteem is raised to an unattainable height !!!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 October 2015 17: 37 New
      +3
      Volodya, and what would I do without you? At least you can talk on the merits!
      Quote: Old26
      Maneuvering is not yet in nature. Only tested.
      Есть. Если найду, то даже фото покажу "с отклоняющимся носком", но это было на заре... А сейчас:
      К особенностям "Булавы" можно отнести значительное сокращение активного участка полёта (до 4 раз по сравнению с ракетами предыдущего поколения) и применение maneuvering warheads. По этому признаку "Булаву" можно отнести к новому классу "квазибаллистических" ракет.
      As a payload, the rocket carries six (maybe up to 10) hypersonic maneuvering individual guidance nuclear blocks with a total weight of 1,15 tons with a capacity of 150 kt each, at a range of at least 8000 km. http://www.kapyar.ru/index.php?pg=264
      By the way, the same combat equipment is on the R-24 and R-26.

      Quote: Old26
      Depending on this, the number of missiles is considered ...
      Right But an average of 2 to 6.
      Quote: Old26
      And what happens in our exercises isn’t it?
      А у вас есть опыт участия в учениях ПРО/ПВО? Из своего скромного, могу сказать, что знали интервал пуска по нам КР, с какого направления они подойдут, колличесво ракет в залпе. Далее -- целераспределение между кораблями КУГ/КПУГ и работа по рубежам. Тема учения: "Отражение атак СВН противника, атакующих корабли КУГ с различных высот и направлений". Ракет было, как правило, -- 6, кораблей --4. При этом, 2-3 КР сбивали "Ураганы", остальное подчищал "Кинжал"(стоял на "Неустрашимом", за что он и прозывался "чистильщиком"). Расход ЗУР: по 2 на мишень.
      А здесь янкесы "кодлой из 7 кораблей" постараются сбить аж 1 ПКР! Ну, насчет БР ничего не скажу. Опыта нет.
      Quote: Old26
      MASSED. But no missile defense can protect against it.
      Да, будет трудно. Но часть собьет авиация, часть зональная, часть объектовая, наконец -- ПВО самообороны. Что-то уведет РЭБ, что-то сожжет ЭМИ...Так что, "наша надежда на лучшее! Беги, спасайся, вольное дитя"!(с) -к/ф рижской к/ст "Слуги дьявола на чертовой мельнице"1972г!)
      Quote: Old26
      what we suppress missile defense at a time ??? Oh well.

      Ну, конечно не "на раз", но подавим. И даже не сомневайтесь! И к тому же, ее совсем не обязательно физически подавлять (хотя это -- лучший из вариантов!) Средства РЭБ, ракеты с ЭМИ, действия РДГ (тяжелая снайперская винтовка с 2,0 км выводит РЛП, а еще РПГ есть и много чего еще!), ПРЛ ракеты, ну и незабвенные РЗСО! А еще можно вспомнить о том, что у нас на орбите болтается "исключительно в мирных, научных целях!"
      Thank you for the pleasant communication! hi
  24. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 13: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: silberwolf88
    And the possibility of placement in an ordinary sea container ... makes senseless attempts to detect missiles ... containers can be everywhere ... for example, in Cuba))

    Предложив эту систему вооружения мы сами открыли "Ящик Пандоры". И как всегда рассматриваем только один, выгодный для нас вариант. Или для наших союзников. То есть вариант, когда противник не предпринимает АБСОЛЮТНО никаких действий. Эта вообще-то называется "Игра в поддавки". И строить на этом варианте планы - по меньшей мере глупо. Наши как только не пытались протолкнуть на рынок "Калибры" и "ураны". Но увы, почему-то за исключением 4-6 стран не покупали, тем более в таком, контейнерном варианте. Не знаете почему? А ведь ответ лежит на поверхности...

    Quote: raid14
    Против Ирана как же,весь мир за иди.тов держат, ежу понятно, что ЕвроПРО предназначено против Российского оружия.В ходе проверки системы будет осуществлён перехват «невооруженной баллистической ракеты, выпущенной с полигона британских Гебридских островов у побережья Шотландии». Против "Искандера", "Ярса" и "Тополя"Кроме того, планируется перехват противокорабельной ракеты, «выпущенной в то же время с более близкого расстояния». Против "Калибра" и ПКР "Гранит" с особыми боезарядами.

    Well, if you can shoot a missile with a maximum speed of 3,5 km / s, which goes at a speed of 7,5 km / s - you need to set PURE GOLD MONUMENT TO TEN HUMAN GROWTH.

    А разумеется против "Гранита" - это актуально, хотя он уже на грани ухода с вооружения. Против "Калибра" - не актуально, против "Оникса" - да, актуально. Но против этих ракет не нужно ЕвроПРО. Как впрочем и против "Искандера"...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 October 2015 17: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Old26
      Предложив эту систему вооружения мы сами открыли "Ящик Пандоры".
      I found a picture of a maneuvering BB, I hang it:
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 18 October 2015 21: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Well, if you can rocket with a maximum speed of 3,5 km / s to bring down a rocket that goes at a speed of 7,5 km / s

      Of course, there isn’t a catch-up course, but a collision course with a carefully calculated rocket flight path is quite.
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  26. cniza
    cniza 18 October 2015 13: 21 New
    +5
    [quote = bulvas] [quote = Zyablitsov]
    Russia has the only way out - to build a strong, full-fledged economy based on science and technology, moreover, no one will help herself [/ quote]


    И делать это нужно как можно быстрей , как у нас говорят "вчера". Если не успеем будет очень тяжко.
  27. yan 2015
    yan 2015 18 October 2015 13: 33 New
    +1
    the first .. we will think the last. and the old woman is a bummer in the form of our EW Kraukha.)
  28. NordUral
    NordUral 18 October 2015 13: 34 New
    +2
    Do not flatter yourself like that, fellow citizens. Mattresses are good techies, and now how many of ours work for any x. So it's not just about cutting the budget. the thing is that they are trying to deprive us of the possibility of a retaliatory strike. And this is not a joke. Amers may have an illusion (or maybe an opportunity) of an impunity with a lightning sudden attack on Russia.
  29. rosstov
    rosstov 18 October 2015 13: 34 New
    +1
    We, too, could participate, for our part, so to speak ...
  30. leo3972
    leo3972 18 October 2015 13: 40 New
    0
    As if to us, accidentally didn’t fly, but you have to answer !!!!
  31. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 13: 50 New
    0
    Quote: yan 2015
    the first .. we will think the last. and the old woman is a slammer in the form of our EW Kraukha

    Rubella is not a panacea for everything ...
  32. pts-m
    pts-m 18 October 2015 14: 09 New
    0
    and if we make joint launches ... Russia sends, but the USA intercepts and vice versa. It’s all useful.
  33. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 14: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: PTS-m
    and if we carry out joint launches ... Russia sends, and the USA intercepts

    They at one time purchased from us air-launched anti-ship missiles X-31 in the version of targets MA-31. And experienced.
  34. KORSAR12
    KORSAR12 18 October 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Finches
    The Caliber missile system looks like an ordinary XNUMX-meter cargo sea container!

    ... you wanted to say a 20-foot container (approx. 6 meters length)
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 18 October 2015 15: 33 New
      +1
      Not certainly in that way.
      PU, together with the control system, is located in a standard 40-foot container, just about 12 meters.
      But this is a simplified export modification and it is called not Caliber, but CLUB.
  35. olegfbi
    olegfbi 18 October 2015 15: 21 New
    +1
    Colleagues
    In my opinion, everything is simpler and more cynical!
    На фоне боевого применения комплекса "Калибр", постановки на вооружение ЗРС С-400, разработках ЗРС С-500, наличия в войсках комплексов "Искандер", амерам и их подстилкам необходимо оправдаться\отчитаться (формально конечно) перед избирателями по деньгам, затраченным на устаревшую ПРО. Показать "мега эффективность" той самой, никому не нужной, ПРО.
    This is a PR move, no more!
    p \ s Based on open sources (of course they lie), the S-400 can shoot down satellites in low orbits, and the S-500 will be able to shoot down satellites in medium orbits. Proceeding from this, it turns out that when working together with the S-400 and S-500, Amer’s communications satellites and GPS can be lowered to sinful ground, and Iskander can crush command posts. Thus, it is stupid to dazzle the mega precise \ modern armament of amers and their litter.
    Of course, everything is not so simple, and my whole post is solely an assumption based solely on open information.
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 18 October 2015 17: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: olegfbi
      , The S-400 can shoot down satellites in low orbits, and the S-500 will be able to shoot down satellites in medium orbits. Based on this, it turns out that when working together with the S-400 and S-500, Amer’s communications satellites and GPS can be lowered onto sinful earth

      Then we will be tormented to remove all this garbage from orbit. It’s just that several warheads filled with lithium, sodium or cesium are launched into orbit. The work of the warhead is shown on the stand. And until all this economy settles, no signals from orbit will be available. And no S-500 is needed.
      1. olegfbi
        olegfbi 18 October 2015 17: 20 New
        +2
        I'm not a pro in technology, probably you're right!
        Probably made an accent in the wrong place!
        Основная мысль: Амерам, вместе с подстилками, необходимо показать налогоплательщикам "мега эффективность" той самой, никому не нужной, ПРО.
  36. sounddoc
    sounddoc 18 October 2015 15: 22 New
    +5
    The missile defense issue is very interesting, complex, multifaceted and extremely ambiguous for both sides of a hypothetical conflict! Ideally, one or several (a little) missiles of a different class are taken and, in a calm environment, at a training ground, are destroyed by one or two missiles. Beauty!
    But, for a second, imagine a huge theater of war: massive strikes by all types of missiles, from different directions, from unexpected points, at different heights. Plus a complete set of electronic warfare, anti-radar missiles, aviation, sabotage groups, scorching submarines from under water ! Presented?
    I don’t think that even Pentagon supercomputers will be able to take into account ALL the conditions of this task with a lot of unknowns. There will be a global valvo with a desert instead of a happy end ...
    ... And the last to meet on the battlefield is a simple Russian Vanya in dusty camouflage, tired, with a loyal faithful Kalash and a rather thin-toothed gay man John from Arkansas or Nevada, with a super-assault rifle and longing in his eyes ...
    I believe that at this stage, missile defense can be relatively effective only in regional conflicts of low and medium intensity. IMHO ...
    1. Zumich
      Zumich 18 October 2015 16: 00 New
      0
      The forecast is gloomy, but the finale is encouraging, drinks our Ivan will survive everything.
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 18 October 2015 19: 25 New
      +3
      All right! plus. In the first hour of bd the whole system pro will crumble. air defense will remain without satellite prompts, at the level of individual divisions. Famous F22 and T50 are equal in effectiveness to Su27 and F16. the pilot will fly with a card on his knee, etc. If only this hour does not miss. As for missile defense, it is still at the stage of development and testing, what can I say about it. We know the desires, and when the result is, God forbid that I had to evaluate.
  37. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 15: 55 New
    0
    Quote: olegfbi
    На мой взгляд все проще и циничнее!На фоне боевого применения комплекса "Калибр", постановки на вооружение ЗРС С-400, разработках ЗРС С-500, наличия в войсках комплексов "Искандер", амерам и их подстилкам необходимо оправдаться\отчитаться (формально конечно) перед избирателями по деньгам, затраченным на устаревшую ПРО. Показать "мега эффективность" той самой, никому не нужной, ПРО.

    Do you think that the Americans do not need missile defense? Report on money, so they report annually, and nothing. Moreover, give them money to expand missile defense, the construction of additional ships with missile defense? Do you think this is a formality? do not consider the adversary to be stupid, who only does that he is cutting money. For what this system is created and created for - it is sufficient. Iran has not yet, and no intercontinental missiles are expected in the coming years. And in order to cover Europe, a complex in Romania and a promising complex in Poland are enough, plus a French complex, plus French, Italian and English anti-missile ships and American ships in the Mediterranean Sea and the Baltic.

    Наш комплекс С-500 пока виртуальный, когда его еще поставят на вооружение - неизвестно никому. Поэтому он тут не при делах. Пусть пока С-400 поставят в нужных количествах... А "Искандеры" - ЕвроПРО не против них...

    Quote: olegfbi
    This is a PR move, no more!

    Of course PR move. After all, the system is American. And they can only have a splurge and PR-actions ... They don’t have reality

    Quote: olegfbi
    Based on open sources (of course they lie), the S-400 can shoot down satellites in low orbits, and the S-500 will be able to shoot down satellites in medium orbits.

    Where do you find such sources? Only in the Russian-language Wikipedia can this be read ... On more serious resources such nonsense can not be found

    Quote: sounddoc
    The missile defense issue is very interesting, complex, multifaceted and extremely ambiguous for both sides of a hypothetical conflict! Ideally, one or more (a few) missiles of a different class are taken and in a calm environment, at a training ground, destroyed by one or two missiles. Beauty! But, for a second, imagine a huge theater of operations: massive attacks by all types of missiles, from different directions, from unexpected points, at different heights. Plus a complete set of electronic warfare equipment, anti-radar missiles, aviation, sabotage groups, scorching submarines from under water! Presented? I don’t think that even Pentagon supercomputers can take into account ALL conditions of this task with many unknowns. There will be a worldwide fall with the desert instead of a happy end ...

    Does not exist and in the foreseeable future such a missile defense system cannot exist. It is designed only for countries with small missile capabilities, while not having strategic aviation and SSBNs.
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 18 October 2015 18: 30 New
      +1
      The Americans need missile defense, it is very necessary! They dream of an effective missile defense! True and not at all ironic.
      I emphasize again, I only read data from open sources, these data, by definition, contain very little reliable information! It cannot be otherwise, for real TTX are state secrets.
      As for PR amers, it’s in their blood! Yes, they create a lot, a lot of effective systems, not just military ones, that’s true! But the truth is also different - in view of the huge budget, cuts, interests of corporations, speeches of greens, human rights defenders ... many decisions are made with a detriment to efficiency! Well, for example, Americans in their missile defense are trying to contact (or sooooo close) to hit a ballistic target! Giant funds and efforts are being spent on this task, and no one has yet seen a real result. In contrast, our A-135 is equipped with tactical special ammunition and it does not need to get \ contact with the target at all! It is much cheaper and more efficient! Yes, there are negative factors for the use of tactical special ammunition, but an explosion of 10 - 20 kt in the air, at a distance from the protected object, it is much better than a couple of megatons at the object itself.
      Of course, all this makes sense only in a nuclear conflict, and in other conditions a strategic missile defense. need not.
  38. Wolka
    Wolka 18 October 2015 16: 23 New
    +1
    and great our Caliber worried about NATO, now they’ll be puffed up to oppose it, but there’s nothing
  39. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 16: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Volka
    and great our Caliber worried about NATO, now they’ll be puffed up to oppose it, but there’s nothing

    You probably read fairy tales? What to counter a cruise missile with a subsonic flight speed? Yes all. Starting from anti-aircraft artillery with radar-guided, ending with anti-aircraft systems. Plus radars, both ground-based and AWACS. Plus aviation. I'm not talking about the fleet
    so no one will be puffed up. Unless their media, heating this topic and helping the military-industrial complex to beat out new money, using fear, well, our media. Enhancing the conceit of our readers and listeners. Here they are, the media will really be puffing
  40. Crimson89
    Crimson89 18 October 2015 17: 40 New
    0
    Our response is to conduct submarine exercises ... well, for example, in the Baltic Sea, so that they recall Churchill's statements at the end of WWII !!!
  41. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 18: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Crimson89
    Our response is to conduct submarine exercises ... well, for example, in the Baltic Sea, so that they recall Churchill's statements at the end of WWII !!!

    Given the presence in the system of one boat of the 877 project - the training will be effective ...

    Quote: olegfbi
    But this is a simplified export modification and it is called not Caliber, but CLUB.

    Generally CLUB - This is the common name for the missiles of this family in the West. no matter who they are armed with. Russia or other countries. Options CLUB-S, CLUB-N, CLUB-T, CLUB-M, CLUB-A, CLUB-K - primarily indicate the carrier. It is just convenient. And already the letters in the designation of the USA, Russia indicate what kind of missiles they are. Russian or export. Name CALIBER and TURQUOISE - these were the names of the OCD, which passed to the whole family, although I do not think it is right ...


    Quote: olegfbi
    Амерам, вместе с подстилками, необходимо показать налогоплательщикам "мега эффективность" той самой, никому не нужной, ПРО

    Your personal opinion is that Americans do not need missile defense? Then what is it based on if it's not a secret
  42. Rostislav
    Rostislav 18 October 2015 18: 42 New
    0
    Oh jump!
    And after all, everyone understands that the more weapons, the higher the probability of their use, albeit random. And still climb. I do not understand. Amer is not worth keeping the i-dyots. Bad guys, yes. But do not fools to seriously believe in their invulnerability. Then why continue to escalate? Who would explain?
  43. Crimson89
    Crimson89 18 October 2015 18: 57 New
    +2
    [quote = Old26] [quote = Crimson89] Our response is to conduct submarine exercises ... well, for example, in the Baltic Sea so that they recall Churchill’s statements at the end of WWII !!! [/ quote]
    Given the presence in the system of one boat of the 877 project - the training will be effective ...

    What submarines do not float with us or do we have one diesel engine for the entire Navy ??? Amused from the heart!
  44. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 18 October 2015 20: 14 New
    +1
    I wanted to say a little more about something, recently I began to study in more detail the structure of the US armed forces, or rather how through improving organizational structures they increase combat capabilities. For example, 9 military commands, let’s take the European command as an example, the commander Philip Breedlove all the armed forces of both the United States and NATO in Europe, these are both the Air Force and the Navy and the Ground Forces, for comparison in Russia only the Minister of Defense and the chief of the general staff have such powers (well, the president by itself as the supreme commander in chief), and what’s the most interesting The European Command is not subordinate to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but only to the US Secretary of Defense and the US President.
    In Russia, on the other hand, they began to gradually increase the powers of the commander of the military districts, for example, all types and types of troops in the controlled territory, with the exception of long-range aviation units, the Strategic Missile Forces Directorate and the aerospace defense forces, are subordinate to the military district commander.
  45. Shurik70
    Shurik70 18 October 2015 20: 24 New
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    interception of an "unarmed ballistic missile launched from the range of the British Hebrides off the coast of Scotland."

    In addition, it is planned to intercept an anti-ship missile, "fired at the same time from a closer distance"

    To go nuts!
    And if you do not intercept?
    belay
  46. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 20: 41 New
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    What submarines do not float with us or do we have one diesel engine for the entire Navy ??? Amused from the heart!

    На Балтике - 1 ходовая, на Севере - 5. Вы хотите провести учения на Балтике? И будете "приглашать" туда лодки с севера? Я вас правильно понял? Может пригласите еще в Балтику лодки и ТОФа?
    So what made you laugh? The exercises in the Baltic with the participation of boats from the north, then it was necessary to write joint exercises for the submarines of the Baltic Fleet and Northern Fleet. What did you write? Doctrine in the Baltic? So there really is one boat running. The second is under repair ...

    Quote: Shurik70
    Fuck! And if you do not intercept?

    Intercepted. How many American ships are there? Six?
  47. ssn18
    ssn18 18 October 2015 20: 54 New
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    Yeah, no disgrace. And so the whole world knows about their super-duper weapons. Saw dough and no more.
  48. Crimson89
    Crimson89 18 October 2015 21: 15 New
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    [quote = Old26] [quote = Crimson89] Our response is to conduct submarine exercises ... well, for example, in the Baltic Sea so that they recall Churchill’s statements at the end of WWII !!! [/ quote]
    Given the presence in the system of one boat of the 877 project - the training will be effective ...

    Once again I ask, submarines cannot swim ???
    Open the atlas or world map and see our nearest fleet
    And what is wrong if the Northern Fleet sends one apl from the cat family to the shores of the Baltic Sea, for example ??? What, they don’t? TARKR Peter the Great went to the shores of Libya, for example, the Northern Fleet apl sailed to the western shores of the USA, etc. Well, what doesn’t suit you?
    Кстати, а под эффективностью учений, что вы подразумевает, 'Бегемот-2(3)'?
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 18 October 2015 22: 21 New
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      [quote = Crimson89] [quote = Old26] [quote = Crimson89] Our response is to conduct submarine exercises ... well, for example, in the Baltic Sea so that they recall Churchill’s statements at the end of the 2 WWII !!! [/ quote]
      Given the presence in the system of one boat of the 877 project - the training will be effective ...

      Once again I ask, submarines cannot swim ???
      Open the atlas or world map and see our nearest fleet
      And what is wrong if the Northern Fleet sends one apl from the cat family to the shores of the Baltic Sea, for example ??? What, they don’t? TARKR Peter the Great went to the shores of Libya, for example, the Northern Fleet apl sailed to the western shores of the USA, etc. Well, what doesn’t suit you?
      Кстати, а под эффективностью учений, что вы подразумевает, 'Бегемот-2(3)'?[/quote]

      Before sending the submarines to the Baltic, look for the depths in the Baltic and the size of the submarines ...
  49. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 21: 32 New
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    Quote: Crimson89
    And what is wrong if the Northern Fleet sends one apl from the cat family to the shores of the Baltic Sea, for example ???

    Have you heard anything about the non-nuclear status of the Baltic ???

    Quote: Crimson89
    What, they don’t? TARKR Peter the Great, for example, walked to the coasts of Libya, apl of the Northern Fleet sailed to the western shores of the USA, etc. Well, what doesn’t suit you?

    And where does Libya, the United States? You wrote about the submarine exercises in the Baltic. So I asked, what kind of boats are there to arrange exercises at the Baltic Fleet?

    Quote: Crimson89
    Кстати, а под эффективностью учений, что вы подразумевает, 'Бегемот-2(3)'?

    Well, a hippo is a matter of bygone days. Moreover, there are no missiles in the Baltic. YES and what's the point of repeating what happened. Two rockets and 14 simulators were fired simultaneously. Checked that it is possible
    1. Crimson89
      Crimson89 18 October 2015 21: 54 New
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      1. Non-nuclear status of the Baltic? Mmmm ... And who only then launches nuclear surface ships in their ports of those countries where there is no nuclear weapon I mean that there is a ban on the entry of water and the port of nuclear ships of those countries where there is no nuclear weapon !!!
      2. And where does Libya or the United States? My question is, am I talking to the wall? The question was on your part. What, should we send from other fleets an apl to the Baltic? So I gave the answer, because I saw in this question ... a curiosity right for you
      3. I ask again, under the effectiveness of the teachings, what do you mean? About Hippopotamus-2 I said this, for example, because I thought that for you the effectiveness of the exercises is something straightforward ... it should be super terrible for NATO countries!
      Well, I didn’t read and will not read about the nuclear-free agreement, I’m already tired of this military theme ... But I can definitely say that most likely it says about the use and location of nuclear weapons, and not about the ban on nuclear installations ( engines) of surface and submarine ships And as for the use of weapons, then ... (I have been fascinated and read for a long time, I don’t remember) there are winged PCRs on Antei-nah or Dolphin-ah
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