Borisov demanded not to violate the deadlines set by the "roadmap" for the creation of the Tu-160М2

Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, speaking yesterday at a meeting of the interdepartmental working group, demanded that Kazan’s aircraft builders strictly observe the deadlines for resuming the production of the Tu-160М2 missile carriers, reports TASS message of the press service of the military.

“The meeting held in Kazan was attended by Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Andrey Boginsky, the management of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, the United Engine Corporation, the Tupolev Company and representatives of the Russian Academy of Sciences,” the release said.

Borisov "heard reports on the creation of electronic documentation, the optimization of production technology and the implementation of the roadmap for the resumption of aircraft production and the launch of development work," the press service said.

At the Kazan Aviation Plant, the Deputy Minister “inspected the final assembly shops of long-range strategic bombers Tu-160 and Tu-22М3 and checked the progress of the state defense order for 2015 a year.”

Later Borisov “visited the 929th State Flight Test Center named after V.P. Chkalov in Akhtubinsk (Astrakhan region), where he held a meeting on the progress of work on the introduction into military operation of new and modernized aircraft and aviation means of destruction ".

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[Observer2014]

Borisov demanded not to violate the deadlines set by the "roadmap" for the creation of the Tu-160М2
That's right! We just need this plane.

[vyinemeynen]

What a beautiful airplane!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

But it wouldn’t hurt to hurry ... Russia is at stake, as such, and the delay (buildup) of death is like ... We can, if we want!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MIKHAN

We can, if we want!

The first plane, only 4 years later

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: MIKHAN

We can, if we want!

The first plane, only 4 years later

Maybe it’s necessary ...

[inkass_98]

Just do not need to drag Stalin everywhere. The first Olympiad, where our athletes took part, was the 1956 Olympiad of Stalin, there was no longer 3 of the year.

[Alexart]

Not yours.
The first performance of Soviet athletes took place at the 1952 Summer Olympics.

[16112014nk]

And in 1952, didn’t the USSR team play in Helsinki? Yes, how successful! And Stalin, nevertheless, was still alive!

[Michael_59]

Mikhan himself a noble medalist

[ZU-23]

It is necessary to drive these brakes into a cage with Emelianenko and Batu Hasikov

[bornikrub]

Four years still have to hold out.

[g1v2]

Honestly, I think even a little later. A few months ago it was about the first aircraft in 2021. Either they were really able to reduce these terms due to something, or ours, as usual, voices the terms that are initially clear that they will be frustrated. However, there is a positive thing - there will definitely be airplanes and there will be many of them. It may be a little later and a little more modest than planned, but it is absolutely certain that in the 20s t160m2 will go en masse to the VKS and this pleases.

[yan 2015]

God forbid .. 4 years is not a deadline. it’s necessary to hurry. the clouds are gathering. someone no longer sees the coast.

[Starik72]

Meehan. We do not smear, but WE CAN !!!

[Voha_krim]

Quote: Starik72

Meehan. We do not smear, but WE CAN !!!

Could notЁm, mОgem!

[Petrovich1952]

We can’t, but we can! No matter how it is written, it IS NECESSARY AND ASAP. Enemy at the gate no matter how you write.

[Good me]

Quote: vyinemeynen

What a beautiful airplane!

"Only beautiful planes fly well." Tupolev A.N.

[Gray-haired]

But what is a roadmap for a handsome airplane?
Stupidity in the erosion of the Russian language reached heights on which planes do not fly yet, they would tear out languages.

[bornikrub]

"Stupid, slavish, blind imitation!"

[vetrov]

There is no longer any strength to listen to this stupid name - "road map"! There is also a "plan", "action plan", etc. It's time to get back to your terms!

[win]

stupid name - "road map

And the word "volunteer" also pisses me off. Deflection in front of the West. Why is the word "volunteer" worse? And it sounds nicer.

[dmi.pris1]

And this and PAKDA, and many other aircraft are needed .. We must eliminate the backlog from NATO.

Quote: Observer2014

Borisov demanded not to violate the deadlines set by the "roadmap" for the creation of the Tu-160М2
That's right! We just need this plane.

[Juborg]

Here, apparently, the matter is different; sabotage has begun with obvious underfunding, as elsewhere. The same Omsk tank building will last a little longer on Syrian orders, then that's it, it's over. The main reason is the withdrawal of money from the industrial sector.

[Firstvanguard]

And then we all die

[kil 31]

Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov, speaking yesterday at a meeting of the interdepartmental working group, demanded that Kazan aircraft manufacturers strictly comply with the deadlines for the resumption of production of Tu-160M2 missile carriers,

It is also necessary to demand from him to strictly observe the established deadlines, financing and the number of orders for PAKFA and PAKDA, as well as new weapons for them.

[oleg-gr]

The work is very important. And control should be appropriate.

[RUSOIVAN]

WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!

[Penetrator]

The plans remained in the Soviet past. Now certain "road maps" rule. Accordingly, the pace and quality of steel production are, to put it mildly, non-Soviet. Some became "roadside" ... And the responsibility of the performers is also appropriate.

[dmi.pris1]

They rule not cards, but corruption and greed, and there are no organizers of the level of L.P. Beria ..

Quote: Penetrator

The plans remained in the Soviet past. Now certain "road maps" rule. Accordingly, the pace and quality of steel production are, to put it mildly, non-Soviet. Some became "roadside" ... And the responsibility of the performers is also appropriate.

[clidon]

In order for Beria-level organizers to appear, Beria-level terror is needed. To have fear. But they were afraid of Beria. That's just interesting I would really like to be afraid of everyone here because they were afraid then? And not to be on the couch by the computer, but in the woods with a chainsaw. Moreover, they didn’t always figure out who was particularly guilty there, and who fell under a hot hand.

[Azitral]

You did not live under the Soviet Union because you are nostalgic for some kind of "Soviet period". 70s - the time of "long-term construction", about the quality and talk disgusting. Understand - it would be good, at least satisfactory, the USSR would not collapse. Stagnation, the kindest Brezhnev, every kind of avoidance of overripe reforms in essence. I built both then, and now, I can compare, and so the speed of any business is now incomparably higher. Another thing is that much that is needed is simply not being done ...

[Penetrator]

Ekary Babai! I didn’t live under the Soviet Union ?! I don’t argue about the construction - they began to build faster. But! Building technologies and equipment are now different, and our builders do not always, to put it mildly, comply with the same Construction Norms and Regulations plus the lack of proper construction supervision ... Yes, this is not about that. I’m just talking about production - there is something to compare. Believe me, this is not comparable. Say, it is much easier and faster to train a bricklayer or concrete worker than, for example, a mechanic for metalworking or an operator of CNC machines ... Continue next?

[kurs66]

Maybe in a civil language ??? And anyway, what difference does it make, the main result is the output;)

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!

Fair remark. Even such high-ranking officials (military) do not hesitate to use adversarial terms. I would understand if it was a quote from this notorious "road map", voiced from the lips of some foreign "partner"

[Rader]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!

Yeah ... There are problems with expressing thoughts in Russian ... There is another interesting phrase:

Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov, speaking yesterday at a meeting of the interagency working group, demanded that Kazan aircraft builders strictly comply with the deadlines to resume the production of Tu-160M2 missile carriers, reports TASS the press service of the military department.

I wonder how it is possible to resume production of something that has never been produced before.

[BLOND]

why not produced? And TU160 at the same factory?
I'm sure the glider has not changed much ...

[Rader]

Quote: BLOND

why not produced? And TU160 at the same factory?
I'm sure the glider has not changed much ...

Glider is good (although it was said that composites will be used in the M2 glider), but this is only half the battle. Avionics new, engines, even if old, it’s still going to recreate production almost from the ashes ... The difference between the old 160 and the new is about the same (a little exaggerated but) as between Su 27 and Su 33

[Valentine]

Yes, the "road map" in the common people is a plan of action, but after all, we cannot live without these "Wow" or "Okay"

[bornikrub]

"A horrible card" - earlier it was justly called WORSHIP.

[win]

ADULATION

This is how gradually getting used to Liberalism, and then to full perception western values

[yan 2015]

if everything is as planned. Many will no longer want to wake the bear in the den.

[Alexander 3]

In a situation where NATO is encircling Russia from all sides, we really need long-range gear.

[FID]

Quote: Alexander 3

In conditions when NATO encircles Russia from all sides, we really need long-range

I apologize - Tu-160 is a STRATEG ...

[Good me]

Quote: SSI

I apologize - Tu-160 is a STRATEG ...

With all due respect , Tu-160, subordinate to the Long-Range Aviation Command.

Purely stylistic differences, but still:

Long-range aviation command is the unification of the Air Force of Russia subordinated to the central supreme command of the Air Force, formed on the basis of the 37 Air Force. Long-range aviation is armed with the Tu-95MS and Tu-160 strategic bombers, as well as the Tu-22М3 long-range bombers. The headquarters is located in Moscow. Commander of Long-Range Aviation - Lieutenant General Anatoly Dmitrievich Zhikharev

[Dmitry 2246]

The Americans fussed about virtually crossing the "Caliber" and "Tu".
The prospect for the enemy is terrible, and most importantly, it is possible to strike with impunity rockets from any direction and a safe distance.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: Dmitry 2246

"... and most importantly, you can strike with missiles with impunity from any direction and from a safe distance."

Quote: Dmitry 2246

The prospect for the enemy is terrible,

, but I would not use the word "with impunity" in relation to OWN.
Sincerely, colleague.

[Dmitry 2246]

"With impunity" he wrote with irony.
I did not write that strikes can be delivered almost at any time, since "Tu" is all-weather and fast-flying.

[clidon]

The Tu-160 has its own missiles - X-55, which will be replaced by X-101 (102). Moreover, the X-55 has been in service for 25 years.
Therefore, we can strike from a long distance for a long time.

[mitrich]

So we must already utilize the X-55 directly from the Tu-160 for the purposes of the cannibals in Syria. And the time has come and there are goals! The most optimal disposal. And all who need obas.rutsya.

[clidon]

They are nuclear performance ...

[mitrich]

Only nuclear? And not like the Caliber, in a double version?

[clidon]

Only in the nuclear (in fact, in the navy, it was the same with the "Grenades"). Conventional missiles have just begun to enter service.

[bornikrub]

About a safe distance.
TRPKSN "Shark" could bring "a lot of joy" to the kids without leaving the pier.
One salvo - 200 warheads.

[Andrew]

yes, you’re right, this is the same Caspian horror for our enemies, only without coasts and with an incomparable speed of movement ...

[avt]

Quote: RUSOIVAN

WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!

The plan .... and the campaign is only smoked today. But I didn’t understand what it was — demanded? What's this ? Well, if, as in the song - "Private Borisov!" - "Me!" - "Come on, how was it!"
"I held on with the last bit of strength:
Rain was whipping, then tired, then it was already dark ...
Only I warned him!

At the first shout: "Who is coming?" he started joking
When he was shot in the air, he shouted: "Stop fooling!"
I hesitated a little and, without entering into an argument,
Chinarik spat out - and fired point-blank. "" Yes, but something tells me that it is not.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: avt

The plan .... and the campaign is only smoked today. But I didn’t understand what it was — demanded?

So that the deadlines are not delayed, due to unreasonable delays. The longer the plane is made, the more budget money can be spent on the ground.
And what customer whose money does all this happen has no right to demand? He shakes the heads of the corporation, not engineers and designers.

[alex86]

I think the bewilderment of avt about "demanded" is that if production is included in the plan, then demanding its fulfillment is "butter oil", a tautology. If the plan suggests, then it must be fulfilled. To demand (it is logical) to do it earlier or more than according to plan (well, it is clear that this is my theoretical reasoning, we need to demand that people do not be late for work and brush their teeth in the morning, and not that ... )

[lewerlin53rus]

You can’t rush. But you have to hurry.

[Mountain shooter]

A very complex machine. One electron-beam machine for backbone welding - a vacuum chamber the height of a two-story house. Both technology and installation should be. At KAZ. And if it's already on metal, then ... That will be a headache. And so - in many ways. This does not mean that it is impossible. This means that you have to lock your teeth on the target with the ferocity of a bull terrier, and without unclenching, reach. Now "sawers" on this subject will come running ... To shoot a couple, with a complete confiscation. In order not to think that "the cat is only cottage cheese"! You look, and things would start spinning.

[Rader]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Very complicated car. One electron beam spinal beam welding installation is a two-story house-high vacuum chamber. Both technology and installation should be. In KAZ. And if it’s already on metal, then ... There will be a headache. And so - in many ways. This does not mean that it is impossible ...

This is all true ... But I dare to add that without qualified specialists, even if all the equipment was preserved, it would be unrealistic to recreate the Tu 160! But many have left in the 90s, and some are no longer with us ... There are not enough new personnel, and due to the "generation gap" there is also a lack of qualifications ... So all this (the creation of M2) will be sooo difficult.

[Vladimyrych]

It has long been necessary to introduce criminal liability for disrupting the plans of the State Defense Order.

[vell.65]

Excellent glider, handsome, it can only be upgraded N-th number of times.

[Vadim237]

I wonder where they will take the extra trillion rubles for the construction of these 50 aircraft.

[clidon]

The quantity can always be reduced. Well, or redistribute from other "branches".

[Old26]

Quote: keel 31

It is also necessary to demand from him to strictly observe the established deadlines, financing and the number of orders for PAKFA and PAKDA, as well as new weapons for them.

This is not a royal affair. His business is to point and ask ... And then - he does not care, like Rogozin. Well, the thing will fail, they will transfer to another job.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Where does it start, we all have men ..... After all, will we be able to repeat everything that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers could? And the deadlines were short ...

[roskot]

Swung wildly. There is such a need, then they will do it.

[Old26]

Quote: roskot

Swung wildly. There is such a need, then they will do it.

Are you talking about the TU-160M2 or the BE-2500?

[Vadim237]

To make Be 2500 you need 500 billion rubles, unfortunately its creation without numerous investments is impossible.

[31rus]

Well, why this replica? Control, sort it out, help, but the main thing is to work on your own, I'm sure the Kazan team will cope, maybe not too late, but everything will be through

[voyaka23]

Strategic missile carrier, respectively "strategic" timing

[BLOND]

I had a chance to service the Tu-160 still "raw", "Kazan" and others. The USSR p / I involved in the Izd-70 "sat" at the airfield and then after a complex of improvements, it was not a bad aircraft for maintenance, it was convenient work ... That was 20 years ago. I think now with new technologies the White Swan will have a second birth!
On November 16, 1998, Ukraine launched the destruction of the Tu-160 under the Nunn-Lugar program (“Joint Threat Reduction Program”). In the presence of American senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin, the Tu-160 with a tail number 24, released in 1989 and having 466 flying hours, was cut. The second was destroyed by the Tu-160 with tail number 13, built in 1991 and having a raid of less than 100 hours. [
In total, 11 Tu-160s were brought into a non-flying state, and the remaining 8 were transferred to Russia at the expense of gas debt. There are currently no strategic aviation in Ukraine.

[Aleksandr1959]

Apparently you served in the regiment in Priluki. The first time I saw a "seventy" in Zhukovsky was in 1983 ... For those times it was a fantastic plane.

[BLOND]

Yes in Priluki
And the first board that was destroyed was mine - BN 24

[FID]

Quote: Alexander1959

The first time I saw a "seventy" in Zhukovsky was in 1983.

What systems are you using? I am with 83 in the "topic" ... The first serial from Kazan to Priluki saw off. Maybe they met where? In ZhLiDB? In Kazan? In Priluki?

[BLOND]

PRiluki 89-94g. SDshnik

[FID]

Quote: BLOND

PRiluki 89-94g. SDshnik

I’m a soushnik, I often visited Priluki ...

[Aleksandr1959]

Sergey Ivanovich, at that time I was a senior technician of the Tu-22M3 in Akhtubinsk. In Zhukovsky flew accompanying cargo. Part of our operational department was then retrained in Zhukovsky. I did not participate in the retraining on the Tu-160. We could cross in Akhtubinsk. From 1982 to 1987, I served in the 6th division of IAS-2 of the First Directorate (Far Strip). In 1987 he was transferred to the 3rd department of the same Office. There I was engaged in attack aircraft.

[FID]

Quote: Alexander1959

We could cross in Akhtubinsk.

I worked with "Raduga" in Akhtubinsk ... Autopilots for the X-15 ...

[Aleksandr1959]

Then they could intersect. I on board 37 was an old technician at one time. this was the first "troika" with MKU. The leading engineer for it was Nikolai Knyazev, and from the Tupolevites I do not remember the name of the leader, only by name and patronymic - Adil Inayatovich.

[BABAY22]

Quote: BLOND

The second was destroyed by the Tu-160 with tail number 13,

Sorry, Number 13??
Did you have number 13 in the regiment ???

[BLOND]

there wasn’t (I think they aren’t all over the former Union)
Sorry copied, not all thoroughly read
"... the second was w / n 14 of 1991. He did not fly even 100 hours! Some eyewitnesses say that he was simply unlucky: he was closest to the place of cutting. Others indicate that the newest cars were purposefully disposed of. And the process went: Tu-160 lined up in a sad line on the "scaffold" while the people who created them decided their future fate .... "
“... Eyewitnesses recall that initially the dismantling was not very active. However, one day a Tu-160 was shown to the American delegation. When asked how long it takes to lift the plane into the air, one of the ship commanders who represented the plane replied: 2-3 hours. The foreign delegation experienced a slight shock: after all, the planes had been standing for almost 8 years! And after that the scrapping process accelerated dramatically: it lasted both day and night ... "

[BLOND]

After the collapse, we served in the Ukrainian army, officers cried! Airplanes destroyed with a guillotine and an excavator. Mattress makers paid a million overboard
Now there is no Ukrainian army. There is only one dill.

[Gomunkul]

After the collapse, we served in the Ukrainian army, officers cried! Airplanes destroyed with a guillotine and an excavator. Mattress makers paid a million overboard
Now there is no Ukrainian army. There is only one dill.

But the Americans continue to continue to fund the collapse of Ukraine.

[BLOND]

Now this is project 404 - Anti-Russia

[Gomunkul]

Now this is project 404 - Anti-Russia

Unfortunately in Russia this is not the first turmoil, it is a pity that people are dying because of this.

[mamont5]

Quote: MIKHAN

But hurry still would not hurt ...

Then, it is necessary for everyone to rush and agree on their plans. Otherwise, nothing good will come of it. The chronometer will be equally malfunctioning, regardless of whether it lags or runs ahead.

[Zomanus]

The roadmap is a good thing.
Exposed subtotals,
to which you need to come on time.
These are international name,
I see nothing wrong with this loan.
It will be bad if the guilty remain without punishment ...

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Zomanus

The roadmap is a good thing.
Exposed subtotals,
to which you need to come on time.
These are international name,
I see nothing wrong with this loan.
It will be bad if the guilty remain without punishment ...

In fact, this is an ordinary network planning, i.e. compiled a network work schedule that's all.
It's just that today's effective managers like to flaunt all sorts of new terms for them, taken from "partners", thinking that this makes them smarter than those around them!

[Zaurbek]

That 160 fly another 100 years. Modernization is not the last, they just want to resume production, make the aircraft universal and not sharpened only for nuclear weapons, for example, now it could be used in Syria with the KAB 500. Only this would be 1 sortie per day, instead of 50. USA is also modernizing B52 and B-1,2

[bubla5]

Can this be the question?

[Mainbeam]

The phrase "Road Map" came to us from the Yankos. Let us recall the first mention of this deceptive phrase: "A road map for Georgia's entry into NATO." Those who use this phrase are students and henchmen of the Yankos. You live in Russia - speak Russian: "plan", "work schedule". The corrupt, debilitating "effective" managers in the service of the state hesitated.

[Mainbeam]

Tu-160 is the right machine and a lot has already been written about this on the site. But there were also many comments about the difficulty of restoring production at the Kazan plant, about the outdated configuration of the radio-electronic equipment of the aircraft, as well as about the liquidation of related enterprises that were in the Union republics. Lack of allies - lack of necessary production. A lot of questions that need to be addressed in a short time.

In this regard, how tired I was of the "first" comments to any such article, such as "beautiful airplane", "needs to be done faster", "seven feet under the keel", etc. If there is nothing to say, then there is nothing to clog the air. Reading an article is empty, reading comments is rubbish.

[Aleksey_K]

Borisov "heard reports on the creation of electronic documentation, optimization of production technology and the implementation of the roadmap for the resumption of aircraft production and the launch of experimental design work"

These words only say that the production of the Tu-160 was completely eliminated. All these years, unlike Sukhoi Design Bureau, even modernization has not been carried out, and even more so the repair. If you look at the instruments of pilots, then this is the middle of the 20 century. Therefore, I do not like Tupolev Design Bureau and, on the contrary, I admire Sukhoi Design Bureau. Even in the moneyless years they managed not only to produce airplanes, but also created new ones. HERE WHO IS GOOD. And in vain the Tupolevs were entrusted with the creation of new PAK DA planes. They have nothing of their own and will not create it, and when they created their Tu-160, they used the documentation and production of the T-4 KB Sukhoi aircraft. In fact, they appropriated the merits of the Sukhoi Design Bureau to themselves.

[Vadim237]

As if this story with the resumption of production of the Tu 160 did not repeat the story of the resumption of production of the An 124 - such ambitious plans were built, the production of 60-80 aircraft, and then the bam was covered with a copper basin.

[zinander]

Such ridiculous bosses, demanding not to break plans. The factory was destroyed for years by all kinds of villains to please their super-children. How many specialists left when they didn’t pay wages properly. When the government of the Republic was upholstering the thresholds in Moscow to produce Tu 334 and Tu 214. No, it wasn’t necessary. ... wings were going to be made for western planes .... cooperation damn .... The factory that did the TU160 .., wings made of composites !!!!! How can you think of this ??? Now you woke up ?? If everything works out with the Tu160 new, it will be wonderful. But it’s not so, it’s impossible. If this is not wrecking, then what?

[Aleksey_K]

Dear Readers In vain you rejoice at the new project!
They again want to throw us LIBERALS at the level of 1972 g and even more. Compare the specifications and you will see that the outdated strategic bombers of the Sukhoi T-4 design bomber outperform the designed PAK-DA design batch of Tupolev. Instead of taking the T-4MS project, which is superior to the current Tu-160 and creating something better than the Tu-160, they create the obviously inferior aircraft. The only thing they want to do is stealth and modern computer control.
My opinion is that it’s better to transfer this project to Sukhoi Design Bureau, or to force it to make a better car!

In 1972, Sukhoi Design Bureau received an order for 250 aircraft of the T-4 project. By this time, the T-4М and T-4MS projects were already ready. But Sukhoi did not have a serial plant for the "strategists", only Tupolev. How - Tupolev will make someone else's car? He was the best friend of the Secretary of Defense. And the Minister of Defense decided to transfer the project to Tupolev. As a result, the gap is 10 years (the first flight in 1981 g) and the car is worse than not that T-4MS, worse than T-4.
Conclusion - Tupolev threw Russia to 50-55 years ago, because in the moneyless years, the Tupolevs did not create a single Tu-160 aircraft. Now we would have factories for serial production of strategic aviation throughout Russia. And in stock - one and the same inferior Kazan. And the number of “strategists” would be at least 300 units, and not 16 units. and modernized, if they were designed in the Sukhoi Design Bureau. And all because of Tupolev’s personal ambitions. In many ways, the new PAK YES will be worse than the old ones.

[Marconi41]

Sorry, but Sukhoi will not take it out! They would bring PAK-FA to their minds, and you propose to load them even more. At one time, Comrade Poghosyan, for the sake of Sukhoi, almost sent the MiG to the scrap. Now have your hands reached TU? In addition, the TU-160 production restoration program does not contradict the construction of PAK-DA, and one office should deal with this. I think so...

[kapitan281271]

Quote: Marconi41

Sorry, but Sukhoi will not take it out! They would bring PAK-FA to their minds, and you propose to load them even more. At one time, Comrade Poghosyan, for the sake of Sukhoi, almost sent the MiG to the scrap. Now have your hands reached TU? In addition, the TU-160 production restoration program does not contradict the construction of PAK-DA, and one office should deal with this. I think so...

And with the T-4, not everything is so simple and rosy, although the car is very interesting!

[Termit1309]

Quote: Алексей_К

In 1972, Sukhoi Design Bureau received an order for 250 aircraft of the T-4 project. By this time, the T-4M and T-4MS projects were ready. But Sukhoi did not have a serial plant for the "strategists", only Tupolev.

T-4 in Soviet times cost so much that even the USSR would not have pulled it. For the price it was compared with a medium-sized city. Want to leave the country without pants?