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Borisov demanded not to violate the deadlines set by the "roadmap" for the creation of the Tu-160М2

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Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov, speaking yesterday at a meeting of the interdepartmental working group, demanded that Kazan’s aircraft builders strictly observe the deadlines for resuming the production of the Tu-160М2 missile carriers, reports TASS message of the press service of the military.




“The meeting held in Kazan was attended by Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Andrey Boginsky, the management of the United Aircraft Building Corporation, the United Engine Corporation, the Tupolev Company and representatives of the Russian Academy of Sciences,” the release said.

Borisov "heard reports on the creation of electronic documentation, the optimization of production technology and the implementation of the roadmap for the resumption of aircraft production and the launch of development work," the press service said.

At the Kazan Aviation Plant, the Deputy Minister “inspected the final assembly shops of long-range strategic bombers Tu-160 and Tu-22М3 and checked the progress of the state defense order for 2015 a year.”

Later Borisov “visited the 929th State Flight Test Center named after V.P. Chkalov in Akhtubinsk (Astrakhan region), where he held a meeting on the progress of work on the introduction into military operation of new and modernized aircraft and aviation means of destruction ".
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 October 2015 10: 27 New
    15
    Borisov demanded not to violate the deadlines set by the "roadmap" for the creation of the Tu-160М2
    That's right! We just need this plane.
    1. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 18 October 2015 10: 30 New
      +6
      What a beautiful airplane!
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 18 October 2015 10: 37 New
        34
        But it wouldn’t hurt to hurry ... Russia is at stake, as such, and the delay (buildup) of death is like ... We can, if we want!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 October 2015 10: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: MIKHAN
          We can, if we want!

          The first plane, only 4 years later sad
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 18 October 2015 11: 15 New
            37
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: MIKHAN
            We can, if we want!

            The first plane, only 4 years later sad

            Maybe it’s necessary ... bully
            1. inkass_98
              inkass_98 18 October 2015 12: 04 New
              0
              Just do not need to drag Stalin everywhere. The first Olympiad, where our athletes took part, was the 1956 Olympiad of Stalin, there was no longer 3 of the year.
              1. Alexart
                Alexart 18 October 2015 14: 40 New
                +4
                Not yours.
                The first performance of Soviet athletes took place at the 1952 Summer Olympics.
              2. 16112014nk
                16112014nk 18 October 2015 14: 43 New
                +5
                And in 1952, didn’t the USSR team play in Helsinki? Yes, how successful! And Stalin, nevertheless, was still alive!
            2. Michael_59
              Michael_59 18 October 2015 23: 00 New
              0
              Mikhan himself a noble medalist
          2. ZU-23
            ZU-23 18 October 2015 13: 08 New
            +1
            It is necessary to drive these brakes into a cage with Emelianenko and Batu Hasikov angry laughing
          3. bornikrub
            bornikrub 18 October 2015 13: 12 New
            0
            Four years still have to hold out.
          4. g1v2
            g1v2 18 October 2015 13: 44 New
            +2
            Honestly, I think even a little later. A few months ago it was about the first aircraft in 2021. Either they were really able to reduce these terms due to something, or ours, as usual, voices the terms that are initially clear that they will be frustrated. However, there is a positive thing - there will definitely be airplanes and there will be many of them. It may be a little later and a little more modest than planned, but it is absolutely certain that in the 20s t160m2 will go en masse to the VKS and this pleases.
        2. yan 2015
          yan 2015 18 October 2015 11: 02 New
          +5
          God forbid .. 4 years is not a deadline. it’s necessary to hurry. the clouds are gathering. someone no longer sees the coast.
        3. Starik72
          Starik72 18 October 2015 11: 09 New
          +1
          Meehan. We do not smear, but WE CAN !!!
          1. Voha_krim
            Voha_krim 18 October 2015 11: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: Starik72
            Meehan. We do not smear, but WE CAN !!!

            Could notЁm, mОgem!
            1. Petrovich1952
              Petrovich1952 18 October 2015 12: 10 New
              0
              We can’t, but we can! No matter how it is written, it IS NECESSARY AND ASAP. Enemy at the gate no matter how you write.
      2. Good me
        Good me 18 October 2015 10: 38 New
        22
        Quote: vyinemeynen
        What a beautiful airplane!


        "Only beautiful planes fly well." Tupolev A.N.

    2. Gray-haired
      Gray-haired 18 October 2015 11: 41 New
      17
      But what is a roadmap for creating a handsome airplane?
      Stupidity in the erosion of the Russian language reached heights on which planes do not fly yet, they would tear out languages. am
      1. bornikrub
        bornikrub 18 October 2015 13: 14 New
        +3
        "Dumb, slavish, blind imitation!"
      2. vetrov
        vetrov 18 October 2015 22: 09 New
        +3
        I no longer have the strength to listen to this stupid name - the "road map"! There is a "plan", "action plan", etc. It's time to get back to your terms!
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        2. win
          win 18 October 2015 22: 16 New
          +6
          stupid name - "roadmap

          And the word "volunteer" also infuriates me. Deflection before the West. What is worse than the word "volunteer"? And it sounds nicer.
    3. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 18 October 2015 12: 10 New
      0
      And this and PAKDA, and many other aircraft are needed .. We must eliminate the backlog from NATO.
      Quote: Observer2014
      Borisov demanded not to violate the deadlines set by the "roadmap" for the creation of the Tu-160М2
      That's right! We just need this plane.
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 18 October 2015 14: 47 New
      0
      Here, apparently, the matter is different; sabotage has begun with obvious underfunding, as elsewhere. The same Omsk tank building will last a little longer on Syrian orders, then that's it, it's over. The main reason is the withdrawal of money from the industrial sector.
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 18 October 2015 20: 39 New
        +3
        And then we all die crying
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    1. kil 31
      kil 31 18 October 2015 10: 34 New
      +3
      Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov, speaking yesterday at a meeting of the interdepartmental working group, demanded that Kazan aircraft manufacturers strictly comply with the deadlines for the resumption of production of Tu-160M2 missile carriers,
      It is also necessary to demand from him to strictly observe the established deadlines, financing and the number of orders for PAKFA and PAKDA, as well as new weapons for them.
  3. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 18 October 2015 10: 30 New
    +6
    The work is very important. And control should be appropriate.
  4. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 18 October 2015 10: 31 New
    34
    WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 18 October 2015 10: 42 New
      26
      Plans remained in the Soviet past. Now they steer some "road maps". Accordingly, the pace and quality of steel production are, to put it mildly, non-Soviet. They became some kind of “roadside” ... And the responsibility of the performers is also corresponding.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 18 October 2015 12: 07 New
        +7
        They rule not cards, but corruption and greed, and there are no organizers of the level of L.P. Beria ..
        Quote: Penetrator
        Plans remained in the Soviet past. Now they steer some "road maps". Accordingly, the pace and quality of steel production are, to put it mildly, non-Soviet. They became some kind of “roadside” ... And the responsibility of the performers is also corresponding.
        1. clidon
          clidon 18 October 2015 13: 04 New
          0
          In order for Beria-level organizers to appear, Beria-level terror is needed. To have fear. But they were afraid of Beria. That's just interesting I would really like to be afraid of everyone here because they were afraid then? And not to be on the couch by the computer, but in the woods with a chainsaw. Moreover, they didn’t always figure out who was particularly guilty there, and who fell under a hot hand.
      2. Azitral
        Azitral 18 October 2015 12: 16 New
        +1
        You did not live under the Soviet Union once you are nostalgic for some sort of “Soviet term”. 70s - the time of "long-term construction", it is disgusting to talk about quality. Understand, it would be good, if only satisfactory, if the USSR would not collapse. Stagnation, the kindest Brezhnev, every possible avoidance of overripened reforms in essence. I built both then and now, I can compare, and so the speed of any business is now incomparably higher. Another thing is that much that needs to be just not done ...
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 18 October 2015 17: 26 New
          +4
          Ekary Babai! I didn’t live under the Soviet Union ?! fellow I don’t argue about the construction - they began to build faster. But! Building technologies and equipment are now different, and our builders do not always, to put it mildly, comply with the same Construction Norms and Regulations plus the lack of proper construction supervision ... smile Yes, this is not about that. I’m just talking about production - there is something to compare. Believe me, this is not comparable. Say, it is much easier and faster to train a bricklayer or concrete worker than, for example, a mechanic for metalworking or an operator of CNC machines ... Continue next?
    2. kurs66
      kurs66 18 October 2015 10: 55 New
      -5
      Maybe in a civil language ??? And anyway, what difference does it make, the main result is the output;)
    3. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 18 October 2015 11: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: RUSOIVAN
      WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!

      Fair remark. Even such high-ranking officials (military) are not shy about using “adversary” terms. I would understand if it were a quotation of this notorious "road map", sounded from the lips of some foreign "partner"
      1. Rader
        Rader 18 October 2015 12: 47 New
        0
        Quote: RUSOIVAN
        WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!

        Yeah ... There are problems with expressing thoughts in Russian ... There is another interesting phrase:
        Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov, speaking yesterday at a meeting of the interagency working group, demanded that Kazan aircraft builders strictly comply with the deadlines to resume the production of Tu-160M2 missile carriers, reports TASS the press service of the military department.

        I wonder how it is possible to resume production of something that has never been produced before.
        1. BLOND
          BLOND 18 October 2015 14: 13 New
          +2
          why not produced? And TU160 at the same factory?
          I'm sure the glider has not changed much ...
          1. Rader
            Rader 18 October 2015 14: 42 New
            0
            Quote: BLOND
            why not produced? And TU160 at the same factory?
            I'm sure the glider has not changed much ...

            Glider is good (although it was said that composites will be used in the M2 glider), but this is only half the battle. Avionics new, engines, even if old, it’s still going to recreate production almost from the ashes ... The difference between the old 160 and the new is about the same (a little exaggerated but) as between Su 27 and Su 33
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    4. Valentine
      Valentine 18 October 2015 12: 58 New
      +3
      Yes, the “road map” is a common plan of action, but we can’t do without these “Wow” or “O.Kay”
    5. bornikrub
      bornikrub 18 October 2015 13: 17 New
      +1
      The “Morning Card” - previously it was rightly called LOW WORSHIP.
      1. win
        win 19 October 2015 08: 52 New
        +2
        ADULATION

        This is how gradually getting used to Liberalism, and then to full perception western values
  5. yan 2015
    yan 2015 18 October 2015 10: 35 New
    +1
    if everything is as planned. Many will no longer want to wake the bear in the den.
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 18 October 2015 10: 39 New
    +2
    In a situation where NATO is encircling Russia from all sides, we really need long-range gear.
    1. FID
      FID 18 October 2015 12: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Alexander 3
      In conditions when NATO encircles Russia from all sides, we really need long-range

      I apologize - Tu-160 is a STRATEG ...
      1. Good me
        Good me 19 October 2015 08: 37 New
        0
        Quote: SSI
        I apologize - Tu-160 is a STRATEG ...

        With all due respect hi , Tu-160, subordinate to the Long-Range Aviation Command.

        Purely stylistic differences, but still:

        Long-range aviation command is the unification of the Air Force of Russia subordinated to the central supreme command of the Air Force, formed on the basis of the 37 Air Force. Long-range aviation is armed with the Tu-95MS and Tu-160 strategic bombers, as well as the Tu-22М3 long-range bombers. The headquarters is located in Moscow. Commander of Long-Range Aviation - Lieutenant General Anatoly Dmitrievich Zhikharev
  7. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 18 October 2015 10: 39 New
    +9
    The Americans began to bustle virtually crossing “Caliber” and “Tu”.
    The prospect for the enemy is terrible, and most importantly, it is possible to strike with impunity rockets from any direction and a safe distance.
    1. evge-malyshev
      evge-malyshev 18 October 2015 12: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      "... and most importantly, it is possible to strike with impunity rockets from any direction and a safe distance."



      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      The prospect for the enemy is terrible,
      but I wouldn’t apply the word “with impunity”, as applied to ITS.
      Sincerely, colleague.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 19 October 2015 11: 20 New
        0
        “Impunity” wrote with irony.
        I didn’t write that strikes can be delivered almost at any time since the “Tu” is all-weather and fast-flying.
    2. clidon
      clidon 18 October 2015 12: 09 New
      +3
      The Tu-160 has its own missiles - X-55, which will be replaced by X-101 (102). Moreover, the X-55 has been in service for 25 years.
      Therefore, we can strike from a long distance for a long time.
      1. mitrich
        mitrich 18 October 2015 21: 43 New
        +1
        So we must already utilize the X-55 directly from the Tu-160 for the purposes of the cannibals in Syria. And the time has come and there are goals! fellow The most optimal disposal. And all who need obas.rutsya.
        1. clidon
          clidon 18 October 2015 21: 59 New
          0
          They are nuclear performance ...
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 18 October 2015 22: 46 New
            0
            Only nuclear? And not like the Caliber, in a double version?
            1. clidon
              clidon 19 October 2015 16: 09 New
              0
              Only in the nuclear (in fact, in the Navy it was the same with the "Grenades"). Conventional missiles have just begun to enter service.
    3. bornikrub
      bornikrub 18 October 2015 13: 21 New
      +2
      About a safe distance.
      TRPKSN "Shark" could "bring a lot of joy" to the kids without leaving the pier.
      One salvo - 200 warheads.
    4. Andrew
      Andrew 19 October 2015 07: 34 New
      0
      yes, you’re right, this is the same Caspian horror for our enemies, only without coasts and with an incomparable speed of movement ...
  8. avt
    avt 18 October 2015 10: 39 New
    +2
    Quote: RUSOIVAN
    WHAT is the roadmap? In normal language, this is called PLAN!

    The plan .... and the campaign is only smoked today. But I didn’t understand what it was — demanded? wassat What's this ? Well, if as in the song - ,, “Private Borisov!” - “I!” - “Come on, how was the matter!”
    "I held on with all my strength:
    Rain was whipping, then tired, then it was already dark ...
    Only I warned him!

    At the first shout: "Who's coming?" he began to joke
    Shouted at a shot in the air: "Stop fooling!"
    I hesitated a little and, without entering into an argument,
    Chinarik spat out - and shot at point blank range. "" Yes, yes, but something tells me that it is not. laughing
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 18 October 2015 10: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: avt
      The plan .... and the campaign is only smoked today. But I didn’t understand what it was — demanded?

      So that the deadlines are not delayed, due to unreasonable delays. The longer the plane is made, the more budget money can be spent on the ground.
      And what customer whose money does all this happen has no right to demand? He shakes the heads of the corporation, not engineers and designers.
      1. alex86
        alex86 18 October 2015 21: 57 New
        0
        I think the perplexity of avt about the “demanded” is that if production is included in the plan, then to demand its implementation is “oil oil”, a tautology. If the plan involves - then it must be implemented. To demand (logically) to complete earlier or more than planned (well, it’s clear that I theoretically argue that we need to demand that people are not late for work and brush their teeth in the morning, and not that ... )
  9. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 18 October 2015 10: 40 New
    +2
    You can’t rush. But you have to hurry.
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 October 2015 10: 48 New
    15
    Very complicated car. One electron beam spinal beam welding installation is a two-story house-high vacuum chamber. Both technology and installation should be. In KAZ. And if it’s already on metal, then ... There will be a headache. And so - in many ways. This does not mean that it is impossible. This means that you need to grip the teeth on the target with the ferocity of the bull terrier, and without unclenching, achieve. Now the “sawyers” on this subject will run ... Would shoot a couple, with complete confiscation. In order not to consider that "the cat is only curd"! You look, and the case would spin.
    1. Rader
      Rader 18 October 2015 12: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Very complicated car. One electron beam spinal beam welding installation is a two-story house-high vacuum chamber. Both technology and installation should be. In KAZ. And if it’s already on metal, then ... There will be a headache. And so - in many ways. This does not mean that it is impossible ...

      This is all true ... But I dare to add that without qualified specialists, even if all the equipment was preserved, it would be unrealistic to recreate the Tu 160! But many have left in the 90s, and some are no longer with us ... request There aren’t enough new personnel, but because of the “generation gap” there isn’t enough qualifications ... So all this (the creation of M2) will be sooo complicated.
  11. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 18 October 2015 10: 54 New
    +3
    It has long been necessary to introduce criminal liability for disrupting the plans of the State Defense Order.
  12. vell.65
    vell.65 18 October 2015 10: 56 New
    +1
    Excellent glider, handsome, it can only be upgraded N-th number of times.
  13. Vadim237
    Vadim237 18 October 2015 11: 15 New
    0
    I wonder where they will take the extra trillion rubles for the construction of these 50 aircraft.
    1. clidon
      clidon 18 October 2015 12: 11 New
      0
      The amount can always be reduced. Well, or redistribute from other "branches".
  14. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 11: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Kil 31
    It is also necessary to demand from him to strictly observe the established deadlines, financing and the number of orders for PAKFA and PAKDA, as well as new weapons for them.

    This is not a royal affair. His business is to point and ask ... And then - he does not care, like Rogozin. Well, the thing will fail, they will transfer to another job.
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 18 October 2015 11: 22 New
    +9
    Where does it start, we all have men ..... After all, will we be able to repeat everything that our grandfathers and great-grandfathers could? And the deadlines were short ...
  16. roskot
    roskot 18 October 2015 11: 36 New
    +2
    Swung wildly. There is such a need, then they will do it.
  17. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2015 11: 43 New
    0
    Quote: roskot
    Swung wildly. There is such a need, then they will do it.

    Are you talking about the TU-160M2 or the BE-2500?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2015 17: 13 New
      0
      To make Be 2500 you need 500 billion rubles, unfortunately its creation without numerous investments is impossible.
  18. 31rus
    31rus 18 October 2015 11: 58 New
    0
    Well, why this replica? Control, sort it out, help, but the main thing is to work on your own, I'm sure the Kazan team will cope, maybe not too late, but everything will be through
  19. voyaka23
    voyaka23 18 October 2015 12: 14 New
    0
    Strategic missile carrier respectively "strategic" terms smile
  20. BLOND
    BLOND 18 October 2015 12: 18 New
    +2
    I had a chance to serve the Tu-160 more "raw", "Kazan", and the other Soviet Union involved in the Izd-70 "sat" at the airport and then after a set of improvements, the aircraft is not very bad for maintenance, it’s convenient for pilots to fly work ... It was 20 years ago. I think now with the new technologies the White Swan will have a rebirth!
    On November 16, 1998, Ukraine launched the destruction of the Tu-160 under the Nunn-Lugar program (“Joint Threat Reduction Program”). In the presence of American senators Richard Lugar and Karl Levin, the Tu-160 with a tail number 24, released in 1989 and having 466 flying hours, was cut. The second was destroyed by the Tu-160 with tail number 13, built in 1991 and having a raid of less than 100 hours. [
    In total, 11 Tu-160s were brought into a non-flying state, and the remaining 8 were transferred to Russia at the expense of gas debt. There are currently no strategic aviation in Ukraine.
    1. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 18 October 2015 12: 31 New
      +2
      Apparently you served in a regiment in Priluki. The first time I saw the "seventy" in Zhukovsky in 1983 ... For those times it was a fantastic plane.
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 18 October 2015 12: 34 New
        +1
        Yes in Priluki
        And the first board that was destroyed was mine - BN 24
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      3. FID
        FID 18 October 2015 12: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr1959
        The first time I saw the "seventy" in Zhukovsky in 1983.

        What systems are you on? I am with 83 in the "topic" ... The first serial from Kazan to Priluki escorted. Maybe met where? In ZhLiDB? In Kazan? In Priluki?
        1. BLOND
          BLOND 18 October 2015 12: 43 New
          +2
          PRiluki 89-94g. SDshnik
          1. FID
            FID 18 October 2015 15: 46 New
            0
            Quote: BLOND
            PRiluki 89-94g. SDshnik

            I’m a soushnik, I often visited Priluki ...
        2. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 18 October 2015 13: 27 New
          +2
          Sergey Ivanovich, at that time I was a senior technician of the Tu-22M3 in Akhtubinsk. In Zhukovsky flew accompanying cargo. Part of our operational department was then retrained in Zhukovsky. I did not participate in the retraining on the Tu-160. We could cross in Akhtubinsk. From 1982 to 1987, I served in the 6th division of IAS-2 of the First Directorate (Far Strip). In 1987 he was transferred to the 3rd department of the same Office. There I was engaged in attack aircraft.
          1. FID
            FID 18 October 2015 15: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr1959
            We could cross in Akhtubinsk.

            I worked with "Rainbow" in Akhtubinsk ... Autopilots for the X-15 ...
            1. Aleksandr1959
              Aleksandr1959 18 October 2015 16: 23 New
              0
              Then they could intersect. I was an old technician on board 37 at one time. this was the first "troika" with MKU. The leading engineer for it was Nikolai Knyazev, but I don’t remember the name of the leader from the Tupolevites, only Adil Inayatovich by name and patronymic.
    2. BABAY22
      BABAY22 18 October 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      Quote: BLOND
      The second was destroyed by the Tu-160 with tail number 13,

      Sorry, Number 13??
      Did you have number 13 in the regiment ???
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 18 October 2015 14: 16 New
        +1
        there wasn’t (I think they aren’t all over the former Union)
        Sorry copied, not all thoroughly read
        "... second year was the military year 14 of 1991. It didn’t fly in even 100 hours! Some eyewitnesses say that he was just unlucky: he was closest to the cutting site. Others indicate that the latest machines were purposefully disposed of. And the process went: Tu-160s lined up in a sad queue for the scaffold, while the people who created them decided their future fate .... "
        “... Eyewitnesses recall that the initial disposal was not very active. However, one day the Tu-160 was shown by the American delegation. When asked how long it took for the aircraft to fly into the air, one of the ship commanders representing the aircraft answered: 2-3 hours. The foreign delegation experienced a slight shock: after all, the planes have been standing for almost 8 years! And after that the recycling process accelerated sharply: it continued both day and night ... "
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  21. BLOND
    BLOND 18 October 2015 12: 22 New
    +4
    After the collapse, we served in the Ukrainian army, officers cried! Airplanes destroyed with a guillotine and an excavator. Mattress makers paid a million overboard
    Now there is no Ukrainian army. There is only one dill.
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 18 October 2015 12: 27 New
      +3
      After the collapse, we served in the Ukrainian army, officers cried! Airplanes destroyed with a guillotine and an excavator. Mattress makers paid a million overboard
      Now there is no Ukrainian army. There is only one dill.
      But the Americans continue to continue to fund the collapse of Ukraine. yes
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 18 October 2015 12: 36 New
        +2
        Now this is project 404 - Anti-Russia
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 18 October 2015 12: 48 New
          +1
          Now this is project 404 - Anti-Russia
          Unfortunately in Russia this is not the first turmoil, it is a pity that people are dying because of this. hi
  22. mamont5
    mamont5 18 October 2015 12: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    But hurry still would not hurt ...

    Then, it is necessary for everyone to rush and agree on their plans. Otherwise, nothing good will come of it. The chronometer will be equally malfunctioning, regardless of whether it lags or runs ahead.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 October 2015 15: 23 New
    -1
    The roadmap is a good thing.
    Exposed subtotals,
    to which you need to come on time.
    These are international name,
    I see nothing wrong with this loan.
    It will be bad if the guilty remain without punishment ...
  24. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 18 October 2015 17: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: Zomanus
    The roadmap is a good thing.
    Exposed subtotals,
    to which you need to come on time.
    These are international name,
    I see nothing wrong with this loan.
    It will be bad if the guilty remain without punishment ...

    In fact, this is an ordinary network planning, i.e. compiled a network work schedule that's all.
    It's just that current effective managers like to flaunt all sorts of new terms for them, taken from "partners", thinking that this makes them smarter than others! laughing
  25. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 October 2015 17: 51 New
    0
    That 160 fly another 100 years. Modernization is not the last, they just want to resume production, make the aircraft universal and not sharpened only for nuclear weapons, for example, now it could be used in Syria with the KAB 500. Only this would be 1 sortie per day, instead of 50. USA is also modernizing B52 and B-1,2
  26. bubla5
    bubla5 18 October 2015 18: 23 New
    0
    Can this be the question?
  27. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 18 October 2015 19: 13 New
    +2
    The phrase "Road Map" came to us from the Yankos. Let us recall the first mention of this useful phrase: "Road map of Georgia’s entry into NATO." Those who use this phrase are Yankos disciples and proteges. If you live in Russia, speak Russian: “plan”, “work schedule”. Vibrant, corrupt, “effective” managers in the service of the state hesitated.
  28. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 18 October 2015 19: 19 New
    0
    Tu-160 is the right machine and a lot has already been written about this on the site. But there were also many comments about the difficulty of restoring production at the Kazan plant, about the outdated configuration of the radio-electronic equipment of the aircraft, as well as about the liquidation of related enterprises that were in the Union republics. Lack of allies - lack of necessary production. A lot of questions that need to be addressed in a short time.

    In this regard, how tired I was of the “first” comments on any such article, such as “beautiful airplane”, “you need to do it faster”, “seven feet under the keel”, etc. If there is nothing to say, then there is nothing to clog the ether. Reading an article is empty, reading comments is rubbish.
  29. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 18 October 2015 20: 20 New
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    Borisov “heard reports on the creation of electronic documentation, optimization of production technology and the implementation of the roadmap for the resumption of aircraft production and the launch of development work”

    These words only say that the production of the Tu-160 was completely eliminated. All these years, unlike Sukhoi Design Bureau, even modernization has not been carried out, and even more so the repair. If you look at the instruments of pilots, then this is the middle of the 20 century. Therefore, I do not like Tupolev Design Bureau and, on the contrary, I admire Sukhoi Design Bureau. Even in the moneyless years they managed not only to produce airplanes, but also created new ones. HERE WHO IS GOOD. And in vain the Tupolevs were entrusted with the creation of new PAK DA planes. They have nothing of their own and will not create it, and when they created their Tu-160, they used the documentation and production of the T-4 KB Sukhoi aircraft. In fact, they appropriated the merits of the Sukhoi Design Bureau to themselves.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 October 2015 20: 45 New
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      As if this story with the resumption of production of the Tu 160 did not repeat the story of the resumption of production of the An 124 - such ambitious plans were built, the production of 60-80 aircraft, and then the bam was covered with a copper basin.
  30. zinander
    zinander 18 October 2015 20: 22 New
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    Such ridiculous bosses, demanding not to break plans. The factory was destroyed for years by all kinds of villains to please their super-children. How many specialists left when they didn’t pay wages properly. When the government of the Republic was upholstering the thresholds in Moscow to produce Tu 334 and Tu 214. No, it wasn’t necessary. ... wings were going to be made for western planes .... cooperation damn .... The factory that did the TU160 .., wings made of composites !!!!! How can you think of this ??? Now you woke up ?? If everything works out with the Tu160 new, it will be wonderful. But it’s not so, it’s impossible. If this is not wrecking, then what?
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  32. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 18 October 2015 23: 59 New
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    Dear Readers In vain you rejoice at the new project!
    They again want to throw us LIBERALS at the level of 1972 g and even more. Compare the specifications and you will see that the outdated strategic bombers of the Sukhoi T-4 design bomber outperform the designed PAK-DA design batch of Tupolev. Instead of taking the T-4MS project, which is superior to the current Tu-160 and creating something better than the Tu-160, they create the obviously inferior aircraft. The only thing they want to do is stealth and modern computer control.
    My opinion is that it’s better to transfer this project to Sukhoi Design Bureau, or to force it to make a better car!

    In 1972, Sukhoi Design Bureau received an order for 250 aircraft of the T-4 project. By this time, the T-4М and T-4MS projects were already ready. But Sukhoi did not have a serial plant for the "strategists", only Tupolev. How - Tupolev will make someone else's car? He was the best friend of the Secretary of Defense. And the Minister of Defense decided to transfer the project to Tupolev. As a result, the gap is 10 years (the first flight in 1981 g) and the car is worse than not that T-4MS, worse than T-4.
    Conclusion - Tupolev threw Russia to 50-55 years ago, because in the moneyless years, the Tupolevs did not create a single Tu-160 aircraft. Now we would have factories for serial production of strategic aviation throughout Russia. And in stock - one and the same inferior Kazan. And the number of “strategists” would be at least 300 units, and not 16 units. and modernized, if they were designed in the Sukhoi Design Bureau. And all because of Tupolev’s personal ambitions. In many ways, the new PAK YES will be worse than the old ones.
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 19 October 2015 01: 23 New
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      Sorry, but Sukhoi will not take it out! They would bring PAK-FA to their minds, and you propose to load them even more. At one time, Comrade Poghosyan, for the sake of Sukhoi, almost sent the MiG to the scrap. Now have your hands reached TU? In addition, the TU-160 production restoration program does not contradict the construction of PAK-DA, and one office should deal with this. I think so...
  33. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 19 October 2015 08: 45 New
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    Quote: Marconi41
    Sorry, but Sukhoi will not take it out! They would bring PAK-FA to their minds, and you propose to load them even more. At one time, Comrade Poghosyan, for the sake of Sukhoi, almost sent the MiG to the scrap. Now have your hands reached TU? In addition, the TU-160 production restoration program does not contradict the construction of PAK-DA, and one office should deal with this. I think so...

    And with the T-4, not everything is so simple and rosy, although the car is very interesting!
  34. Termit1309
    Termit1309 21 October 2015 10: 16 New
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    Quote: Алексей_К
    In 1972, Sukhoi Design Bureau received an order for 250 aircraft of the T-4 project. By this time, the T-4M and T-4MS projects were ready. But Sukhoi did not have a serial plant for the "strategists", only Tupolev.

    T-4 in Soviet times cost so much that even the USSR would not have pulled it. For the price it was compared with a medium-sized city. Want to leave the country without pants?