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"Historically, these are primordially Slavic lands." How Königsberg became Kaliningrad

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"Historically, these are primordially Slavic lands." How Königsberg became Kaliningrad

70 years ago, 17 in October 1945, by the decision of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences, Koenigsberg with adjacent lands was incorporated into the USSR. In April 1946, the corresponding area was formed within the RSFSR, and three months later its main city received a new name - Kaliningrad - in memory of the deceased 3 of June “All-Union Headman” Mikhail Kalinin.


The inclusion of Königsberg with adjoining lands as part of Russia-the USSR had not only military-strategic and economic significance, and was Germany’s payment for the blood and pain inflicted on the Russian superethnos, but it also had a profound symbolic and historical value. Indeed, from ancient times Prussia-Porussia was part of the vast Slavic-Russian world (superethnos of the Rus) and Slavs-Porussians (Prussians, Borossians, Borussians) inhabited it. Later, the Prussians living on the shores of the Venedic Sea (Veneda is one of the names of the Slavs-Russians inhabiting Central Europe) “historians” who rewrote history to the needs of the Romano-German world, wrote down in balts. However, this is a mistake or deliberate deception. The Balts stood out from the single superethnos of the Russians with the latest. Back in the XIII-XIV centuries. the Baltic tribes worshiped gods common with the Russians, the cult of Perun was especially powerful. The spiritual and material culture of the Rus (Slavs) and the Balts was almost the same. Only after the Baltic tribes were Christianized and Germanized, suppressed by the matrix of Western civilization, were they separated from the superethnos of the Rus.

The Prussians were cut almost completely, as they had a very stubborn resistance to the German "knights-knights". The remains were assimilated, deprived of memory, culture and language (finally in the XVIII century). As before, their sister Slavs, lutus and supporters, were exterminated. Even during the centuries-old battle for Central Europe, where the western branch of the Ruset superethnos lived (for example, few people know that Berlin, Vienna, Brandenburg or Dresden were founded by the Slavs), many Slavs fled to Prussia and Lithuania, as well as to Novgorod land. And the Novgorod Slovens had millennial ties with the Russians of Central Europe, which is confirmed by anthropology, archeology, mythology and linguistics. It is not surprising that Western Russian prince Rurik (Sokol) was invited to Ladoga. He was not a stranger in the Novgorod land. And during the battle of the Prussians and other Baltic Slavs with the “dogs-knights” Novgorod supported relatives, supplied weapon.

In Russia, the memory of a common origin with the Porussians (Borussians) was kept for a long time. Its origins from the Rus (Prussians) Ponemania was deduced by the great princes of Vladimir. This was written by Ivan the Terrible, an encyclopaedist of his era, who had access to chronicles and chronicles that did not reach our time (or were destroyed and hidden). Many noble families of Russia derived their ancestry from Prussia. So, according to the generic tradition, the ancestors of the Romanovs went to Russia "from Prussia". The Prussians lived along the river Rossa (Rusa), as the Neman was called in the lower reaches (today the name of one of the branches of the river - Rus, Rusn, Rusn) is preserved. In the XIII century Prussian lands conquered the Teutonic Order. The Prussians were partly destroyed, partly forced out into the neighboring areas, partly relegated to the position of slaves. The population was Christianized and subjected to assimilation. The last Prussian speakers disappeared in the early 18th century.

Königsberg was founded on the hill of the high right bank in the lower reaches of the Pregel River at the site of the Prussian settlement in 1255. Otakar and the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order of Poppo von Ostern laid the Order fortress Königsberg. The troops of the Czech king came to help the defeated knights from the local population, who, in turn, were invited to Prussia by the Polish king to fight the pagans. Prussia for a long time became a strategic bridgehead of the West in the fight against Russian civilization. First, the Teutonic Order fought against Russia-Russia, including Lithuanian Russia (the Russian state, in which the official language was Russian), then Prussia and the German Empire. In 1812, East Prussia became a place for the concentration of a powerful group of French troops to go to Russia, shortly before the start of which Napoleon arrived in Konigsberg, where he conducted the first reviews of troops. The structure of the French troops were Prussian units. During the First and Second World War, East Prussia was again the springboard of aggression against Russia and more than once became the scene of fierce battles.

Thus, Rome, which was then the main command point of Western civilization, acted on the principle of "divide and conquer," pitting among the peoples of the Slavic civilization, weakening them and "absorbing" part by part. Some of the Slavorus, like the lutus and Prussians, were completely destroyed and assimilated, others, like the western glades - the Poles, the Czechs, submitted to the western "matrix", becoming part of European civilization. Similar processes in the last century have been observed in Little Russia (Little Russia-Ukraine), especially they have accelerated in the last two or three decades. The West is rapidly turning the southern branch of the Russians (Little Russians) into “Ukrainians” - ethnographic mutants, orcs, who have lost their memory of their origin, quickly lose their native language and culture. Instead, the program of death is loaded, the “Orcs-Ukrainians” hate everything Russian, Russians, and become the tip of the West for further offensive on the lands of Russian civilization (the Superethnos Russes). The masters of the West set them one goal — to die in battle with their brothers, weakening Russian civilization with their doom.

The only way out of this civilizational, historical catastrophe is the return of Little Russia to the united Russian civilization and the denazification of the “Ukrainians”, the restoration of their Russianness. It is clear that this will take more than a decade, but as the history and experience of our enemies shows, all processes are manageable. Kharkiv, Poltava, Kiev, Chernihiv, Lviv and Odessa should remain Russian cities, despite all the intrigues of our geopolitical opponents.

The first time Königsberg almost became Slavic again during the Seven Years War, when Russia and Prussia were opponents. In 1758, Russian troops entered Konigsberg. The inhabitants of the city swore allegiance to the Russian Empress Elizabeth Petrovna. Until 1762, the city belonged to Russia. East Prussia had the status of the Russian Governor-General. However, after the death of Empress Elizabeth, Peter III came to power. Once in power, Emperor Peter III, who did not hide his admiration for the Prussian king Frederick II, immediately ceased military operations against Prussia and concluded the Petersburg world with the Prussian king on conditions that were extremely unfavorable for Russia. Petr Fedorovich returned to Prussia the conquered East Prussia (which by that time had been an integral part of the Russian Empire for four years) and refused all acquisitions during the Seven Years War, which Russia had practically won. All the victims, all the heroism of the Russian soldiers, all the successes were crossed out in one fell swoop.

During World War II, East Prussia was a strategic bridgehead of the Third Reich for aggression against Poland and the Soviet Union. East Prussia had a developed military infrastructure and industry. It housed the bases of the German Air Force and Navy, which allowed to control most of the Baltic Sea. Prussia was one of the most important areas of the German military industrial complex.

The Soviet Union suffered huge losses during the war, both human and material. Not surprisingly, Moscow insisted on compensation. The war with Germany was far from over, but Stalin was looking to the future and expressed the Soviet Union’s claims to East Prussia. December 16 1941 during the negotiations in Moscow with A. Eden Stalin proposed to attach to the draft agreement on joint actions a secret protocol (not signed), which proposed to separate East Prussia and part of it with Koenigsberg to transfer to the USSR for a period of twenty years guarantees of compensation for losses incurred by the USSR from the war with Germany.

At the Tehran conference in his speech 1 December 1943, Stalin went further. Stalin emphasized: “Russians do not have non-freezing ports on the Baltic Sea. Therefore, the Russians need the ice-free ports of Konigsberg and Memel and the corresponding part of East Prussia. Especially since historically they are native Slavic lands. ” Judging by these words, the Soviet leader not only realized the strategic importance of Koenigsberg, but also knew the history of the region (the Slavic version that Lomonosov and other Russian historians set out). Indeed, East Prussia was "originally Slavic land." During a conversation with the heads of government during the November 30 breakfast, Churchill said that “Russia needs to have access to ice-free ports” and “... the British have no objections to this”.

In a letter to Churchill of February 4 1944, Stalin again addressed the Koenigsberg problem: “As for your statement to the Poles that Poland could significantly expand its borders in the west and north, then, as you know, we agree with this one amendment. I spoke to you about this amendment and to the president in Tehran. We claim that the north-eastern part of East Prussia, including Koenigsberg, as a non-freezing port, should be ceded to the Soviet Union. This is the only piece of German territory to which we claim. Without satisfying this minimal claim of the Soviet Union, the concession of the Soviet Union, expressed in recognition of the Curzon line, loses all meaning, as I already told you in Tehran. ”

Moscow’s position on East Prussia on the eve of the Crimean Conference is set out in a brief summary of the note of the Commission on Peace Treaties and Post-War Device “On the Treatment of Germany” of January 12 1945: “1. Changing the borders of Germany. It is assumed that East Prussia will go back partly to the USSR, partly to Poland, and Upper Silesia to Poland ... ”.

Great Britain and the United States for a long time tried to push through the idea of ​​decentralizing Germany, dividing it into several state entities, including Prussia. At the Moscow Conference of Foreign Ministers of the USSR, the USA and the UK (19-30 in October 1943), British Foreign Secretary A. Eden outlined the British government’s plan for the future of Germany. “We would like,” he said, “to divide Germany into separate states, in particular, we would like to separate Prussia from the rest of Germany.” At the Tehran Conference, US President Roosevelt suggested discussing the dismemberment of Germany. He said that in order to “stimulate” the discussion on this issue, he would like to state his plan “to personally dismember Germany into five states two months ago”. So, in his opinion, “Prussia should perhaps be weakened and reduced in size. Prussia should be the first independent part of Germany ... ". Churchill put forward his plan for the dismemberment of Germany. He suggested, above all, to “isolate” Prussia from the rest of Germany. “I would keep Prussia in harsh conditions,” said the head of the British government.

However, Moscow was against the dismemberment of Germany and in the end achieved a concession to part of East Prussia. Britain and the United States agreed in principle to satisfy Moscow’s proposals. In a message to JV Stalin received in Moscow 27 February 1944, Churchill indicated that the British government considered the transfer of the USSR Koenigsberg and its adjacent territory “a fair claim from Russia ... The land of this part of East Prussia is stained with Russian blood generously spilled for a common cause ... Therefore, the Russians have a historical and well-founded claim to this German territory. ”

In February, the Crimean Conference was held on 1945, at which the leaders of the three Allied Powers practically resolved issues related to the future borders of Poland and the fate of East Prussia. During the talks, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and US President F. Roosevelt stated that in principle they were in favor of dismembering Germany. The British Prime Minister, in particular, once again developed his plan for the separation of Prussia from Germany and "the creation of another large German state in the south, the capital of which could be in Vienna."

In connection with the discussion at the conference of the “Polish question” it was essentially decided that “the whole of East Prussia should not be transferred to Poland. The northern part of this province with the ports of Memel and Königsberg should depart to the USSR. The delegations of the USSR and the USA agreed with the provision of compensation to Poland “at the expense of Germany”, namely: parts of East Prussia and Upper Silesia “down to the line of the Oder River”.

Meanwhile, the Red Army practically resolved the issue of the liberation of East Prussia from the Nazis. As a result of the successful offensive summer of 1944, the Soviet troops liberated Belarus, part of the Baltic states and Poland, and approached the German border in East Prussia. In October, 1944 was conducted Memel operation. Soviet troops not only liberated part of the territory of Lithuania, but also entered East Prussia, surrounding the city of Memel (Klaipeda). Memel was taken on 28 on January 1945 of the year. The Memel region was annexed to the Lithuanian SSR (a gift from Stalin to Lithuania). In October, the 1944 was conducted Gumbinnen-Goldapa offensive operation. The first assault on East Prussia did not lead to victory. The enemy had too strong a defense here. However, the 3 Belorussian Front advanced 50-100 kilometers and took over a thousand settlements, preparing a springboard for a decisive throw on Konigsberg.

The second assault on East Prussia began in January 1945. During the East Prussian strategic operation (it was divided into a number of front-line operations), Soviet troops broke through the German defenses, reached the Baltic Sea and eliminated the main enemy forces, taking East Prussia and liberating the northern part of Poland. 6 - 9 April 1945, during the Königsberg operation, our troops stormed the fortress city Königsberg, defeating the Königsberg group of Wehrmacht. 25 operation was completed by the destruction of the enemy's Zemland grouping.


Soviet fighters storming Konigsberg

At the Berlin (Potsdam) Conference of the leaders of the three allied nations 17 July - 2 August 1945, which took place after the end of hostilities in Europe, the issue of East Prussia was finally resolved. On July 7, at the seventh meeting of the heads of government, the question of the transfer of the Konigsberg region to East Prussia to the Soviet Union was considered. At the same time, Stalin declared that “President Roosevelt and Mr. Churchill, at the Tehran Conference, gave their consent on this matter, and this issue was agreed between us. We would like this agreement to be confirmed at this conference. ” During the exchange of views, the delegations of the United States and Great Britain confirmed their agreement, given in Tehran, to the transfer to the USSR of the city of Konigsberg and the surrounding area.

The protocol of the Potsdam Conference stated: “The conference considered the proposals of the Soviet government that, until the final settlement of territorial issues during the peace settlement, the part of the western border of the USSR adjacent to the Baltic Sea ran from the point on the East coast of the Danzig Bay to the east of Braunsberg-Goldan the junction of the borders of Lithuania, the Polish Republic and East Prussia. The conference agreed, in principle, with the proposal of the Soviet Union to transfer the city of Königsberg and the surrounding area to it, as described above. However, the exact limit is subject to expert research. ” In the same documents in the “Poland” section, the expansion of Polish territory at the expense of Germany was confirmed.

Thus, the Potsdam Conference recognized the need to exclude East Prussia from Germany and transfer its territory to Poland and the USSR. “Research experts” did not follow this because of a change in the international situation, but this does not change the essence of the matter. No deadlines (“50 years”, etc., as some anti-Soviet historians claim), to which the Koenigsberg and the adjacent area were allegedly transferred to the USSR, were not established by the Allied powers. The decision was final and indefinite. Königsberg with the surrounding area became Russian forever.

16 August 1945 between the USSR and Poland signed an agreement on the Soviet-Polish state border. In accordance with this document, the Mixed Soviet-Polish Demarcation Commission was formed, and in May 1946, the demarcation work began. By April, 1947, the state border line was demarcated. 30 on April 1947, the corresponding demarcation documents were signed in Warsaw. 7 April 1946, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a decree on the formation in the city of Königsberg and the adjacent region of the Königsberg region and on its inclusion in the RSFSR. 4 July it was renamed Kaliningrad.

Thus, the USSR eliminated a powerful enemy bridgehead in the north-western direction. In turn, Königsberg-Kaliningrad became the Russian military-strategic foothold in the Baltic. We have strengthened the sea and air capabilities of our armed forces in this area. As Churchill correctly noted, being an enemy of Russian civilization, but a clever enemy, it was a fair act: "The land of this part of East Prussia is stained with Russian blood generously shed for a common cause ... Therefore, the Russians have a historical and well-founded claim to this German territory." Russian superethnos returned part of the Slavic land, which was lost many centuries ago.
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  1. Kostyar
    Kostyar 17 October 2015 06: 41 New
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    Stalin, of course, a great politician! He forced correctly and beautifully, such sharks as Churchill and Roosevelt to make decisions that were advantageous to Soviet Russia and forced them to make concessions that were obviously flawed for them, which very, very directly infuriated Churchill, who treated us like Indians, Chinese, or other pygmies of that time! !!

    PY.SY: "Selling resources means trading your homeland" I.V. Stalin
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 06: 53 New
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      Quote: Bone
      "Selling resources means trading your homeland" I.V. Stalin

      I always wonder why this provision does not find support on this site. What had to be done with the brain to not understand this?
      But about the author of the article: why everyone calls Porusia a non-Russian land. It was from there that the Rurikovichs and the Romanovs came, but they were all Russians, it was always the Russian land (read the book "Rus of the Varangians of the Yara"), because the German Empire arose in 1871, and not a year earlier. I have never seen the opposite opinion anywhere before. It looks like some form of zombie has been carried out over all of us.
      1. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 17 October 2015 15: 47 New
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        The history of the Western Slavs is generally grand. It's just that it is not customary to talk about much of what is officially known today. For anyone interested, I recommend reading articles from Wikipedia under the titles "Slavic Chronicle", "Arkona" (in specification - the city and the religious center of the Ruyan), "Rugen", "Svyatovit", "Rus (people)".
        1. kumaxa
          kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 02 New
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          and what we will soon bring to life. Europe Slavs! Get out of Russia Enemy seed. there, Alaska left us in reserve.
      2. anip
        anip 18 October 2015 09: 58 New
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        Quote: venaya
        It always surprises me why this particular situation does not find support on this particular site.

        Yes, this is not only on this site do not understand.

        Quote: venaya
        What had to be done with the brain to not understand this?

        This (what they did) is called brain Putinism.
      3. kumaxa
        kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 25 New
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        Alas! Dear, try to read that thread from PETER ALIKSEICH ROMANOV. STATE-EMPERATOR OF ALL-RUSSIAN!
    2. Russian Uzbek
      Russian Uzbek 17 October 2015 09: 54 New
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      "Selling resources means trading your homeland" I.V. Stalin
      and nevertheless, echelons with resets went to Germany until June 22 ...
      no need to ascribe Great words which they did not utter!
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 17 October 2015 10: 51 New
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        You do not own the information, our liberals can lie about anything. The Germans provided a loan for a huge, at that time, amount and calculation was carried out by raw materials. Moreover, the raw materials were slightly processed, the so-called * first redistribution *. Even coal went as payment with impurities and without sorting.
        1. Russian Uzbek
          Russian Uzbek 17 October 2015 11: 50 New
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          "" the calculation was carried out by raw materials ""
          if this is not a sale of resources then what? you need to call a spade a spade and not be likened to the same liberals and verbiage
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 17 October 2015 20: 36 New
            +1
            Do not confuse raw materials and resources.
            1. varov14
              varov14 17 October 2015 22: 44 New
              +1
              I also think that resources are deposits and they must be ours, and raw materials are raw materials. Do you want to trade, do not want to, no one forces you.
            2. Russian Uzbek
              Russian Uzbek 18 October 2015 06: 26 New
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              "" "Do not confuse raw materials and resources" ""
              and what is the difference in this case?
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          3. boggy
            boggy 18 October 2015 22: 29 New
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            Quote: Russian Uzbek
            if this is not a sale of resources then what?


            And to get high-precision machine tools and devices from Germany for an urgently created defense industry, when only 15 years ago the country was only with plow. What else could we offer Germany, lagging behind in industrialization for a century.
        2. kumaxa
          kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 14 New
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          and so so beloved non Tsarist Russia. was truly a backward state in terms of scientific and technological progress. I.V. STALIN, with five-year plans and Dneprogress and a collective farm, led ents Tsar ROSSEY to WORLD LEADERS, for which to this day we should THANKS AND PERSONALLY. and OUR Grandfathers. And our FATHER bows at our feet.
      2. venaya
        venaya 17 October 2015 10: 54 New
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        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        until June 22, trainloads with resorts went to Germany ...

        Here the thing is: as a result of the signed agreement of Molotov - Ribentrop, the USSR received unthinkable loans, for which there was simply nothing to pay. The loans were the most profitable, no one gave them anymore, but there was simply nothing to pay, therefore, by June 22, they didn’t pay half the debt either, they sent everything we took.
        1. lukke
          lukke 17 October 2015 15: 10 New
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          Calculation of resources (wheat, etc.) was also for German machine tools and other equipment that Germany had already supplied to the USSR, debugged and produced products. So do not read the blizzard of prose writers from the early 90s.
          1. kumaxa
            kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 17 New
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            here is politics! Ent pragmatism. Current men state this thinking opens. to the same people of the earth i.e. Zemstvo is not enough for understanding.
        2. officer29
          officer29 17 October 2015 21: 05 New
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          Quote: venaya
          by June 22, half the debt was not paid, they sent everything we took.

          ... we can now say with confidence that Germany in 41 acted as a collector to the debtor. what
      3. anip
        anip 18 October 2015 10: 02 New
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        Quote: Russian Uzbek
        and nevertheless, echelons with resets went to Germany until June 22 ...

        Yeah, but in return we got German machines, including machines for cutting large-diameter shoulder straps in armored plates, without which we would not have the T-34-85 and IS-2. And German equipment was in factories and factories. We got the cruiser Tallinn, the former Lyuttsov. Yes, we got a lot more from high-value products.
      4. kumaxa
        kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 06 New
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        policy! you respected at the moment can make at least some long-term political forecast. alas.
      5. intuzazist
        intuzazist 18 October 2015 16: 59 New
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        And you didn’t think about why the Soviet Union drove the trains so hard
        with grain and forest to Germany? Yes, everything is simple! The USSR was supposed to attack Germany in August and carefully scored railway tracks, interfering with the movement of troops ....
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 17 October 2015 19: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Bone
      Stalin, of course, a great politician! He forced correctly and beautifully, such sharks as Churchill and Roosevelt to make decisions that were advantageous to Soviet Russia and forced them to make concessions that were obviously flawed for them, which very, very directly infuriated Churchill, who treated us like Indians, Chinese, or other pygmies of that time! !!

      The steel fist in the form of the Armed Forces made it possible to impose any conditions on the West.
    4. The lead
      The lead 17 October 2015 20: 18 New
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      Strange, what about genetics? Russians and Poles have a common haplogroup, the Prussians have a different haplogroup, so they were not Slavs. By the way, the Rurikovichs have a haplogroup of the Prussians, so Rurik and Rus were Prussians.
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 17 October 2015 21: 54 New
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        Quote: Lead
        Russians and Poles have a common haplogroup, the Prussians have a different haplogroup, so they were not Slavs

        So the article says that they are almost completely destroyed. Naturally, the territories are populated by another haplogroup.
        Quote: Lead
        By the way, the Ruriks have a haplogroup of Prussians, so Rurik and the Rus were Prussians

        Somehow with the logic you have a bad time. If Rurik Prussak then Rus are also Prussians ???? Why's that.
        Yes, by the way, the Slavs are those who professed Vedicism, and not a group with a single haplotype.
        1. The lead
          The lead 18 October 2015 06: 33 New
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          Quote: Rivares
          So the article says that they are almost completely destroyed. Naturally, the territories are populated by another haplogroup.
          You have problems with logic. It was the Prussians who had a different haplogroup different from the Slavic, so they could not be Slavs by definition. And the article was bullshit. No one was satisfied with the Prussians genocide. They lost the genocide to the Crusaders, the Germans occupied Prussia, and the Prussians partly moved to the Slavs, or to the Baltic states, the remaining assimilated, became Germans. A similar process took place in modern eastern Germany, where there were Lutichs, sorbes, encouraged.
          Quote: Rivares
          If Rurik Prussak then Rus are also Prussians ????
          It is written in a tale of bygone years that Rurik arrived with his family and they called themselves Rus. If Rurik, as follows from the data of genetics, was a Prussian, then it can be argued that his relatives, who arrived with him, were also Prussians.
          Quote: Rivares
          Slavs are those who professed Vedicism, and not a group with a single haplotype.
          No need to flog the stupidity. Understand the topic, and then write critical comments.
          1. venaya
            venaya 19 October 2015 22: 27 New
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            Quote: Lead
            It was the Prussians who had a different haplogroup, different from the Slavic, so they could not be Slavs by definition. ... the Germans occupied Prussia, and the Prussians partly moved to the Slavs, or to the Baltic states, the remaining assimilated, became Germans. A similar process took place in modern eastern Germany, where there were Lutichs, sorbes, and encouraged.
            Quote: Rivares
            If Rurik Prussak then Rus are also Prussians ????
            In the tale of bygone years it is written that Rurik arrived with his clan and they called themselves Rus. If Rurik, as follows from the data of genetics, was a Prussian, then it can be argued that his relatives, who arrived with him, were also Prussians.
            Quote: Rivares
            Slavs are those who professed Vedicism, and not a group with a single haplotype.

            Sorry, this is such a mess !!! If you are writing about a gallogroup, then if you please call her. According to the data available to me, the gallogroup R1B1 includes up to 90% of the inhabitants of nowadays northern Germany (less in southern). In the composition of the Russian Federation, only 70% of these. That is, today the percentage of true Rusich (Rus) in Germany is higher than in the Russian Federation, if you have other data, let me know, otherwise I will think that you are a member of a secret society and you are forbidden to disclose the secrets of this society. It will be difficult for you to find out the Prussians gallogroup, as this term itself is sucked out of the fingers and verbiage of cabinet professors and is not justified by anything, such a nation never existed in nature, and Rurik and his whole circle were true Rus and no other there simply wasn’t there at that time. The Baltic states also appeared recently, since the Baltic Sea is a pure newspeak, this reservoir at that time was called differently and also at different times in different ways. As for the Slavs, this is generally a separate song, there is simply not enough space here.
        2. Russian Uzbek
          Russian Uzbek 18 October 2015 07: 10 New
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          Rurik - a semi-mythical character who may not even have existed in nature
          1. kumaxa
            kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 40 New
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            HERE is a questionable question. perhaps as scientists say. was a Slav boss of the company. and went to war sales of francs. he became a leader among the Varangians and was for his military affairs. honest court and truth. that is, compliance with the legal norms of that time is called to reign. and jump from the cotton was. so Varangian rorik. they remembered him. the nickname of other comrades was assigned to him such chronicles no. the warriors of Christ put their hands to it.
            1. Russian Uzbek
              Russian Uzbek 18 October 2015 13: 13 New
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              "" there are no chronicles "" ie no sources confirming the existence of Rurik - does not exist in nature
              1. venaya
                venaya 19 October 2015 21: 39 New
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                Quote: Russian Uzbek
                "" there are no chronicles "" ie no sources confirming the existence of Rurik - does not exist in nature

                Chronicle fake how to pour two fingers! This source cannot be completely reliable, more reliable sources are archaeological excavations, but it is in them that the traces of Rurik were found. By the way, there are inscriptions in Russian, then there was no German, Old German or Prussian language there. So if you dig this nature, then you can dig a lot of interesting things.
  2. alekc73
    alekc73 17 October 2015 06: 42 New
    +8
    Nothing new. "The onslaught to the east" led to the destruction of the Slavic tribes luteches and encouraging. Prussia became German. Stalin knew this, so he returned his. By the way, the fabulous island Buyan is Ruyan (Rugen). Russian epics and fairy tales do not lie.
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 07: 45 New
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      Quote: alekc73
      The "push to the east" led to the annihilation of the Slavic tribes of the Luteches and the encouragement. Prussia became German.

      Here the problem is, besides, the fact that the Germans only never existed. Even the term "nimEtchina" only says that people were forced to speak in a non-native language. "Neither bee, nor mee" is just sound-generating like animals, that is, incomprehensible speech, and nothing else. Is there really a change in the people themselves?
      1. Throw
        Throw 17 October 2015 08: 34 New
        +5
        German dumb was implied due to lack of knowledge of the language.

        Not be, not me ... laughing
        1. venaya
          venaya 17 October 2015 08: 54 New
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          Quote: Lance
          German - dumb was implied, due to lack of knowledge of the language.
          Not be, not me ... laughing

          This is one of the options. In the modern Ukrainian. Move, the term "NimEtchina" is used - in the sense of a country. The meaning of "dumb" is used now and even in the word "Nenets". In Russian, the word "dumb" - often means a person who cannot speak at all - cannot = not-mine. There are a lot of nuances here, one meaning clearly does not work here. crying
          1. Turkir
            Turkir 17 October 2015 11: 21 New
            +1
            The German is dumb.
            This is what linguists say, not me or Lance.
            1. venaya
              venaya 17 October 2015 17: 15 New
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              Quote: Turkir
              This is what linguists say, not me

              And with your own head you are too lazy to think. There are many linguists, one says so, the other that way, and I am alone. Refer to which particular group of linguists you rely on. And yet, if you are not dealing with this issue, who allowed you to act as an expert? Here, something is not clear why you need it.
            2. Rivares
              Rivares 17 October 2015 22: 04 New
              +1
              Quote: Turkir
              German is dumb

              Here is a deep image.
              Dumb, not only in the sense can not say anything, but NOT MY (MY), i.e. a stranger.
              The Slavs called the representatives of non-white peoples. Initially, the Gothic tribes were not alien and were not called Germans. If anyone remembers that the Goths worshiped Odin, one of the Slavic Gods, then they were later Christianized and pitted with everyone around, which happened everywhere where Christianity came ..
      2. Chak
        Chak 17 October 2015 16: 05 New
        +2
        All the foreigners whom the Russes did not understand, they called Germans, precisely from the word HIM, tormenting themselves for something, and what is incomprehensible. Similarly, the Greeks and Romans called barbarians (Russian reading of barbarian), who spoke bar-bar ... Our ancestors called each other Slovenes (Slavs - later distorted name), i.e. those who understand speech are the word. An example is the Ilmen Slovenes, who founded Novgorod and mastered gigantic territories, by the way, most closely related to the German and Baltic Slavs.
        1. venaya
          venaya 17 October 2015 17: 33 New
          0
          Quote: ChAK
          Our ancestors called each other Slovenes (Slavs - a later distorted name), i.e. those who understand speech are the word.

          Your version is familiar to me. Please note - science is not a religion, it is in constant development. The last most elaborated version of the origin of the word "Slavs" - comes from the Latin "sklaveni" that is, in their language "slave". It comes from the Etruscan "falcon", which corresponds to our type of "falcons".
          1. Horn
            Horn 17 October 2015 20: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: venaya
            Quote: ChAK
            Our ancestors called each other Slovenes (Slavs - a later distorted name), i.e. those who understand speech are the word.

            Your version is familiar to me. Please note - science is not a religion, it is in constant development. The last most elaborated version of the origin of the word "Slavs" - comes from the Latin "sklaveni" that is, in their language "slave". It comes from the Etruscan "falcon", which corresponds to our type of "falcons".

            Just look at the map: the Slavs, I repeat, are the BIGGEST ethnos in Europe! Biggest! What kind of slaves, by the way? Turn your head on: what kind of stupid person will call HIMSELF a stranger, and even a derogatory name ?! It is the same as if the inhabitants of the United States, for example, called themselves "well, stupid-s-s-e!".
            1. venaya
              venaya 19 October 2015 18: 36 New
              0
              Quote: Horn
              Slavs, I repeat, the BIGGEST ethnos in Europe! Biggest! What kind of slaves, by the way? Turn your head on: what kind of stupid person will call HIMSELF a stranger, and even a derogatory name ?! It is the same as if the inhabitants of the United States, for example, called themselves "well, stupid-s-s-e!".

              Understand me: there is a mess with terms in their heads. Remember: "If a person is told 99 times that he is a" pig "- then for the hundredth time he will begin to grunt" - this is a classic of psychology. Such phenomena are well described by the psychiatrist prof. Lambroso, it's a shame it's hard to find. And "Europe", also not an autohon term, was introduced here by the Phoenicians.
              1. Horn
                Horn 21 October 2015 09: 32 New
                0
                Europe, this is for the very smart, in Latin - EAST. East End.
                They listened a lot to Russophobia, and then on to Lombroso, a specialist in skulls.
      3. kumaxa
        kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 47 New
        0
        Well, Motri Ukrainians. tfu sor! ukro - banderlog. and painting. nematchina. dumb choli people get.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 17 October 2015 12: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: alekc73
      . "The onslaught to the east" led to the destruction of the Slavic tribes of the Luteches and Udriches. Prussia became German.


      Prussians - Slavic tribes were conquered by "orders" who appropriated not only these lands, but also the name - Prussia. The settlement of the Prussians Koloberg (in transcription - "located on the shore") was renamed into Königsberg (and an order castle was built on the mountain, and then renamed into a royal castle), and the river Prigor (in transcription - "flowing under the mountain") - into Pregel. The Slavs-Prussians mined amber, traded it, fish and skins of animals, of which there were a great many in the forests on this territory. The Teutons destroyed the entire indigenous population. So Prussia became a German enclave. yes
    3. kumaxa
      kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 53 New
      0
      Yes, UNCLE JOE was right. So his Yankee name was read by the leader, he was very offended by the Yankee for ento. All the same, a seminary student.
  3. Reducer
    Reducer 17 October 2015 06: 46 New
    +1
    In the textbooks!
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 06: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Reduktor
      In the textbooks!

      And who will give it? Who controls the whole training chain? You can only dream about it, but as a rule, we do not have enough power to realize it.
    2. whiteeagle
      whiteeagle 17 October 2015 09: 07 New
      -12
      a lot of bullshit. knights of the order were invited to Prussia by the Polish king — it was not a king. On the other hand, it was the idea of ​​his Russian wife (Agafya Svyatoslavovna). In addition, the rulers of Moscow from the beginning of the sixteenth century to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact collaborated with the Germans against the Slavs. For example, a year ago in Belarus the Slavs celebrated the anniversary of the victory of the Battle of Orsha 1514. The Tsar of Russia and the Hohenzollern were in union.
      1. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 17 October 2015 09: 27 New
        +5
        Against which Slavs, Polish? Who themselves tore Russia and wanted to swallow it completely? So, against such and necessary.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 17 October 2015 09: 37 New
          +5
          Moscow rulers from the beginning of the sixteenth century to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact collaborated with the Germans against the Slavs... Well, well, more in detail ... Something new ... smile The only thing is almost true, the Polish king invited the Teutons to fight the Gentile Slavs ... the Teutonic Order first slaughtered the Slavs .. and then set about the Poles and Lithuanians and the Russians for one thing .. But it didn’t work out, the Livonian order had to be called up to cope .. yes did not grow together ..
          1. tolian
            tolian 17 October 2015 10: 49 New
            +2
            The Gay European rabble came to the Baltic States after the defeat of the crusaders in the modern BV. Consequently, the Pope sent them to the feeding areas. And the Poles were already "burned out". So the "christianization" of the Baltic peoples began, similar to the modern "democratisation" of the world by the s and their singers.
          2. kumaxa
            kumaxa 18 October 2015 12: 07 New
            0
            here for Muscovy. silent men are taught their sins; mouth is full of Chezh; they themselves could not come to their senses.
      2. tolian
        tolian 17 October 2015 10: 41 New
        +1
        Smeared eagle, with such historical knowledge in the madhouse of a fairy tale tell.
  4. midashko
    midashko 17 October 2015 07: 02 New
    +9
    Little Russia also needs to be returned to the Russian state. In Little Russia, not only the territory, the population is also overwhelmingly Russian. Unless one can pretend to Galicia, do not be independent high (or a protectorate of Hungary). New Russia is simply recognized as part of Russia, like Crimea, on the status of regions.
    At the expense of joining. Through a referendum, this is understandable, but the main one should be another referendum - a referendum of the people of Russia on consent to accept Russia. Otherwise, what if? For example, a new traitor, Humpbacked, will appear and accept some Zimbabwe as part of the country, then we’ll cry from migrants, these will not be intelligible Caucasians with hypertrophied conceit and temperament, but diverse herds of niggas, stupid and lascivious. To decompose the country, to destabilize the regime, a very good pebble in the garden. At this referendum, it will be possible to refuse to accept Galicia into the country. Somewhere there should be a reservation for Natsik.
    1. tolian
      tolian 17 October 2015 11: 03 New
      0
      There is no event more stupid than a national referendum. After all, this is nothing more than a tool of the knowledgeable against the stupid and uninitiated. As a rule, referendums are held by rulers who know the result. They are profitable. They need it. But whether he is needed by those who, with bulging eyes, yell "for" or "against" the screaming, as a rule, do not know. And it's good when the desired result for the organizers of the referendum coincides with the desire of the people. But then referendums are not held. They just change something. Is not it? Imagine a bunch of relatives choosing a bride for someone. And this is a semblance of a referendum. Arguing on this topic, you will inevitably come to Stalin.
    2. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 17 October 2015 16: 03 New
      -2
      Quote: midashko
      At the expense of joining. Through a referendum, this is understandable, but the main one should be another referendum - a referendum of the people of Russia on consent to accept Russia. Otherwise, what if?

      If you haven't noticed, then I noticed that with your proposal you only violated the fundamental principle of the UN Charter on "inviolability of borders."
      I do not consider it viable when not the army, but the "elected by the people" presidents and deputies, diplomats against the will of everyone and without asking their "voters" about it change the line of borders and this is considered "legal" in "accordance with international law." But what you suggested is even worse than the absurdity that there is now and Crimea is no exception.
      One thing is a referendum in Czechoslovakia at the end of the 80s, when the historical line of separation of Chekhov and Slovaks is known, which does not touch the external borders, but you propose to stamp the "Historical remake" of new borders by persons, that is, the "people", the overwhelming majority are ready to abandon the " World "and its past legacy and poorly representing the consequences of such endless referendums. Or do you hope that after 15-20 years your children, just like you now, will not have a desire to hold another "fair historical referendum" on changing the borders?
    3. kumaxa
      kumaxa 18 October 2015 12: 17 New
      0
      to return them to the Polaks as they rejoice. Stalin was not right when he started the exchange, oh not right. Nothing is fixable.
  5. bulat
    bulat 17 October 2015 07: 26 New
    +6
    It’s good that Khrushch did not think of giving Kaliningrad to Lithuania.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 08: 34 New
      11
      Khrushchev didn’t think of it, so others did.
      In the text of the article, Alexander speaks of Memel.
      Well, this is the city of Klaipeda, which never before 1945 belonged to Lithuania. And it was part of Prussia.
      They took Kaliningrad for themselves, and transferred half of the Curonian Spit with Klaipeda to Lithuania, as did the western face of the Soviet Union.
      The "face" has temporarily turned into the "eastern ass of Europe", but the Klaipeda region has not returned back.
      As well as the Vilnius region, which was also never part of Lithuania. Russian Empire - yes, Poland - yes. But not Lithuania.
      ....
      Anyway, with these lands such a story that to study and study.
      Only one thing is clear, initially they were Slavic.
      And the point.
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 17 October 2015 08: 21 New
    0
    We are Russia and.
  7. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 17 October 2015 08: 31 New
    +6
    Many THANKS to the author for a great good article. The author pleased all Russians. What I wanted to write about the article --- others have already written before me. Respectfully.
  8. gabonskijfront
    gabonskijfront 17 October 2015 08: 37 New
    +4
    He was born and gave birth to three, in my dear Koningsberschine. We have a wild cross here, there are whole areas inhabited by already Russified Lithuanians, Mordovians, like I got into a village where the old people spoke an incomprehensible language, turned out to be Chuvashs. German Prussianism created modern Germany, this the Germanized descendants of the Baltic Slavs, Prussians and Teutonic knights in the 19th century drove all these Bavarians and the rest of the Holstein people into a single Germany with iron and blood, in fact this land is the cradle of German statehood, a mystical land and holy for the Germans.
    1. kvs207
      kvs207 17 October 2015 11: 16 New
      0
      I have many friends who left for Kaliningrad from Kazakhstan. In the beginning. - ser. 90s, it was very popular to go there.
    2. Mishmish
      Mishmish 17 October 2015 14: 26 New
      -2
      , the Prussians and the Teutonic knights in the 19th century drove all these Bavarians and the rest of the Holstein people into one Germany with iron and blood,

      But Russia was not going to? Didn’t they drive everyone with blood? into a single whole ...
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 17 October 2015 19: 35 New
        0
        Quote: MishMish
        But Russia was not going to?

        Any empire needs a bloody foundation ...
  9. Mihail55
    Mihail55 17 October 2015 09: 10 New
    +4
    .However, Moscow was against the dismemberment of Germany and eventually secured a concession to part of East Prussia. England and the United States agreed in principle to satisfy Moscow's proposals ...
    The Germans should be grateful to us until the end of the century, and they ... ugh!
  10. Clutch
    Clutch 17 October 2015 09: 14 New
    +4
    For some reason, Lithuania is silent about the gift of the Soviet invaders in the form of the Memel region (Klaipeda !! What, doesn’t fit into the image of the savage occupier ???
  11. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 09: 38 New
    -1
    Actually, the Prussians were the Balts, and not the Slavs, like the ancestors of the Lithuanians. Although the Balts and the Slavs are very closely related tribes. Closer than individual Germanic peoples to each other.
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 10: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: Vais
      Actually, the Prussians were the Balts, and not the Slavs, like the ancestors of the Lithuanians. Although the Balts and Slavs are very closely related tribes

      And all of them, taken together, spoke close, not very different dialects of the Russian language and used the same alphabet. And yet, they had closely related family ties (of course, before the arrival of Christianity). What is noteworthy, they lived in an area of ​​one sea, which was called the Gulf of Veneta (the Yar Sea, etc.), but the name Baltic Sea appeared much later, no one knew such a name before and did not have the opportunity to call people Balts - Prie_Balts, and etc. Moreover, the term "Slavs" is not of local origin, it was brought by not very distant Christians, together with the Latin language, where he comes from.
      1. sergach
        sergach 17 October 2015 11: 41 New
        0
        [/ Quote]
        And all of them taken together spoke close similar little dialects of the Russian language and used the same alphabet. [/ Quote]
        In fact, the judgment about languages ​​is too bold and does not correspond to modern scientifically confirmed information. A comparative analysis of the surviving sources says that the Prussian language was the closest to the modern Lithuanian language.
        In those days there were no single standardized languages, because there were no states and nations in the modern sense of the word. The Prussians themselves spoke a heap of dialects. And by the way, they didn’t have such a name.
        The eastern coast of the Baltic Sea was in the eighth and ninth century a steep mix of Slavic and Baltic tribes. So you’ll figure out who the hell who was who and how he spoke.
        1. venaya
          venaya 17 October 2015 14: 02 New
          0
          Quote: sergach
          ... the judgment about languages ​​is too bold and does not correspond to modern scientifically confirmed information. ... So that you’ll understand who the hell it was and how you said it.

          Forgive me, but your judgments lead me to a stupor, I can be so speechless! "does not correspond to modern scientifically confirmed information" - does not correspond to modern ??? So read then not modern, but just scientific classics. Take the book "Korneslov" by the President of the Imperial Academy of Sciences Shishkov. This is not enough, its modern followers of researchers are countless, I myself read and am delighted. You at least take any book issued before 1700 or before 1917, so only the last Russian calendar has a date for today, the 7524th summer. Is that not enough for you? I myself read the inscriptions on the sargophagus 7000 years old with the inscription "Zhivina Rus", again not enough. Can you imagine how much information has been accumulated to date?
          "does not correspond to modern scientifically proven information." - If you mean religious science, then yes, here I cannot argue with you. But I am familiar with studies that, in terms of volume, will in no way be included in the local volume. Please, carefully choose scientific sources, do not fall for the yellow press, which has already crushed everyone.
          1. Mishmish
            Mishmish 18 October 2015 13: 28 New
            +1
            I myself read the inscriptions on the sargophagus 7000 years old with the inscription "Zhivina Rus"

            photo in the studio ... nakroynyak where IT is located
            1. venaya
              venaya 19 October 2015 18: 16 New
              0
              Quote: MishMish
              inscriptions on a sargophagus 7000 years old with the inscription "Zhivina Rus"
              photo in the studio ... nakroynyak where IT is located

              Look at the "Trypillian culture", one of its elements is located 18 km southeast of Belgrade, the excavations are called "Vinca culture", there is such a village there. The estimated age of the burials is 7000 years, the language used and the form of writing are close to modern, it is better to see for yourself, because it all sounds strange. Look, make sure, I saw it in the Internet, in my opinion in the film.
      2. Director
        Director 18 October 2015 02: 09 New
        0
        The Prussians were Balts and had nothing to do with the Slavs. And it doesn’t matter what term Balts call.
        The author generally confuses all historical terms, for example, Kievan Rus, Moscow Principality, modern Russia and historical Prussian land
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 17 October 2015 09: 39 New
    +1
    "Historically, these are primordially Slavic lands." How Koenigsberg became Kaliningrad...Something was returned ...
  13. silver169
    silver169 17 October 2015 10: 11 New
    +4
    It would be good if the name for Kaliningrad is normal. More consonant with Russia and Russian culture. Well, for example, Constantinople, or something))). Here in Polish the city is called Krulevits. At that time, when the historical names were returned to most cities of Russia, the name Kaliningrad, in my opinion, sounds like a discord.
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 10: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: silver169
      It would be good if the name for Kaliningrad is normal. More consonant with Russia and Russian culture. Well, for example, Constantinople, or something)))

      In no case, we already have Constantinople, this is Istanbul captured by the Ottomans. And present-day Kaliningrad was founded by the king of Bohemia, Charles V. Then he worked part-time as the emperor of the "Holy Roman Empire".
    2. moskowit
      moskowit 17 October 2015 16: 16 New
      +1
      Well, if the old name was returned to the city of St. Petersburg, then Köninsberg will be normal. That Krulevits that Tsargrad, semantic meaning is the same. Only Constantinople does not mount in any way. This is the capital of Byzantium, from where Orthodoxy spread to Russia.
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 17 October 2015 19: 37 New
      0
      Quote: silver169
      It would be nice to take a normal name for Kaliningrad

      Renaming cities is great stupidity.
  14. Stoler
    Stoler 17 October 2015 10: 46 New
    +6
    Nefig questions about "historical belonging" of any territory to Russia in general to raise !!! So you can fuck knows what to agree on. OUR AND ALL !!!!!
  15. kvs207
    kvs207 17 October 2015 11: 14 New
    0
    Quote: silver169
    historical names were returned to most cities of Russia, the name Kaliningrad, in my opinion, sounds dissonant.

    Most Russian cities have not been renamed in any way, and that’s right.
  16. Turkir
    Turkir 17 October 2015 11: 27 New
    +2
    In the novel of the German writer (he forgot his last name) "The Adventures of Werner Holt", there was a film of the same name, the character of a purebred Prussian - Voltsov, appears.
    A little touch to the previous comments.
    In the comments where the Poles appear, do not forget about their Catholic religion.
    You can read about the names of the Prussians at http://lujicajazz.narod.ru/familii.html

    1. Alexander Badrow, this is the current (as of 2012) burgomaster of the city of Stralsund. German. The surname Badrov is also well known among the Russians. Also, you can recall the Russian surname Bodrov.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Alexander_Badrow_%282010-08-1


    6% 29.JPG
    Alexander Badrov.
    2. Moritz Barkow, a modern German handball player. Russians also know this surname very well. Remember, for example, the poet of the mid-18th century, Ivan Semenovich Barkov.
    3. Otto von Belov (Otto von Below), the famous German infantry general, during the First World War. Born in the mid-19th century ....

    There is a long list, maybe someone will find Prussian roots. wink
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 12: 29 New
      +1
      Duc ...
      Von Vizin ... whoever says that a German will let me cut my finger off. Or lick.
      ....
      Surnames have nothing to do with it. I think so.
      The mass of Slavic families is among the Germans. Kossowski, for example.
      The mass of German surnames is among Russians. Yes, and the Germans are pure, who consider themselves Russian Germans. Or do not understand at all who consider themselves to be dependent on the circumstances.
      .
      No, last names are not an indicator. Moreover, they appeared only in the 16-17th centuries.
      Boyarsky, for the sake of interest - surname or affiliation? I would like to be a son, a boyar.
      Russian ... begs the question, yes?
      It begs, I know.
      So - Russian - THIS IS A SPECIAL FORM OF THE SUBJECT, EDUCATED FROM FUNCTIONALITY.
      Sentinel, helmsman, helmsman, forward-looking, shift, shift (method), duty ... and who else will give examples?
      .
      And what is our functionality? To be Russ ....- ohm, -th, th ...?
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 15: 36 New
        0
        I’ll answer myself ..... a greyhound ... and whoever says that he cannot act both on his own - a noun and a definition - a greyhound man ...
        .
        and in Chechen, “borz” means “wolf”. Wild wolf.
        It’s as if there are tamed ones.
        .
        So maybe - Russ - too. ... not amenable to flawed, Western logic, comrade, huh?
  17. sergach
    sergach 17 October 2015 12: 39 New
    +1
    Regarding the disappearance of the puddles, lutichs and encouraged, not everything is so simple. There is evidence that the Germanization of these tribes only in places was forced. To be precise, Christianization was forced at the beginning of the twelfth century.
    And then the Saxon kings loved to boast that there were different nations in their kingdom. At first, the Slavic nobility, having adopted Christianity, decided to merge with the Saxon nobility, and the rest was a matter of time. In other words, Germanization was more likely a byproduct in the case of the Slavs who lived between Laba and Odra. The main process was Christianization.
    An interesting fact that not everyone knows about. The Mecklenburg House originates from the leader of the Bodrich Union, their last independent prince, Nikloth (1090–1160). Niklot died in battles for the pagan faith of the Slavic Slavs. His son Pribyslav was forced to recognize himself as a vassal of the Duke of Saxony, becoming the founder of the Nikloting dynasty, which ruled in Mecklenburg until 1918. The Mecklenburgs, in turn, were intermarried by dynastic marriages with a dynasty of Vettins, from whom the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dynasty originated, they are also the Windsor. So Baba Lisa on the British throne has distant Slavic roots, like all Windsor.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 12: 45 New
      +1
      Well, around Berlin there are still settlements of Lusatian Serbs.
      Interestingly, Hitler and his regime did not touch them.
      They suffered much more from the policies of the USSR and the GDR.
      I read from a year ago, by search, precipitated. It was unpleasant even, but where to go.
      .
      But Montenegro .... oh yes, bros. Slavs. Thoroughbreds. But in NATU - you won’t hold it.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 15: 41 New
        +1
        returning to the text Sergach is obtained.
        Volkov is right with his interpretation.
        The Windsor, and the rest of the gang-brethren, including Valois, the Bourbons and the Stuarts, the younger branch of the Rurikovich.
        From where did such malice go to the original Russia?
        Maybe the Merovingians and Plantagenets were on par, but over.
        Sadness ...
  18. kvs207
    kvs207 17 October 2015 12: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Bashibuzuk
    So - Russian - THIS

    Russian is an affiliation to an ethnic group. The question is whose.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 12: 53 New
      -1
      I don’t know whose.
      Yes, and never was interested.
      More significant other - abroad, of course, the same.
      The only nation that is not at all in the mainstream of global civilization (in the interpretation of the United States and sang along).
      I am Russian, I have nowhere to go.
      But, according to the spirit of the Russians, but according to the nation, the Bashkirs, let’s say, or Tuvans, I don’t know a single case to be advertised in a foreign country.
      .
      Fear and rejection, horror and inevitability are the emotions of Western Europeans. From the Russians.
      .
      And whom ours used there in 1945 .... is generally incomprehensible. Children, of course, rebel against their parents. But not to the same extent.
      Obviously not ours frolic there.
  19. Rigla
    Rigla 17 October 2015 13: 15 New
    0
    Someone throw the appropriate part of the article on Wikipedia!
    1. prishelec
      prishelec 17 October 2015 16: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Rigla
      Someone throw the appropriate part of the article on Wikipedia!

      laughing Yes, Wikipedia is already full of garbage ..!
  20. Mishmish
    Mishmish 17 October 2015 14: 22 New
    0
    united superethnos of russ

    The author burns along the way! People .... you will not tell what is "rusy" ???? Definition-links to the original source, etc. .. The author operates with dreams and fairy tales ..
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 17: 06 New
      +1
      "People .... do not say what "russ" is???? "- these are all the white peoples of today's Eurasia, from this term comes the word" race. "Sources of the sea, please look for yourself, although most likely it does not interest you.
  21. unknown
    unknown 17 October 2015 15: 46 New
    +5
    By the way, the so-called German language was officially created in 1902.
    No single German people existed until 1871.
    The German people are the same artificial people of Europe as any other.
    The process of Germanization of the Slavs? By whom ? If at the beginning of the so-called Germanization, there were no Germans at all. The processes are similar to those that took place and are taking place on the outskirts of the Russian state. After the collapse of a single state, the local elite decided to legitimize in a new role. An artificial language is created, and by distorting the existing one. Then this newspeak is intensely planted. Together with a new, fabulous story about an allegedly long-existing people. And then it says that it always has been. Moreover, this is the best option, and the Germans were completely unlucky: their language is completely artificial, not without reason the Kaiser refused to sign this.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 15: 59 New
      0
      I’ll only say about the language.
      Himself a year ago he began to actively study.
      Before that, I used all English, well, Duc, this is not a language, but some kind of "fenya". Easy to master, easy to say - just as easy and cracking - you're not a native speaker, milaaay.
      And the German brought me to Shock-and-Awe.
      I have not seen a more logical and structured language so far.
      Maybe Spanish, at least.
      He was fascinated by German immediately. And forever, I feel.
      That it is a constructed language is obvious. Clearly visible. And right away.
      But, struck by the depth of study, this is something unimaginable.
      Only this notorious Plus KwamPerfect is a masterpiece.
      But with cases and with childbirth (conjugations) - let us down. Well, the designers did not speak this language, definitely. They spoke Russian, or very close to Russian. Possessive denim, damit --- and all sorts of funny things.
      ....
      On the site of German languages ​​(and there are slightly fewer than ... free ... sites), such dialects of German are cited. The main ones, about five or six. And how many more local ones.
      A single state, you say .... xxxxhy!
      1. Rivares
        Rivares 17 October 2015 22: 19 New
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        Quote: Bashibuzuk
        I’ll only say about the language.
        Himself a year ago he began to actively study.

        If I studied this I did not write. And comparisons with other languages ​​would result. You did not understand the Russian language and the basics.
        Real Russian is only genetically Russian revealed. Maybe that's why.
  22. BIGLESHIY
    BIGLESHIY 17 October 2015 16: 59 New
    +2
    Memel region was annexed in the Lithuanian SSR (a gift from Stalin to Lithuania)

    Oops, can he make a claim for the return of Memel to Russia? After all, we are such "invaders" who took and forcibly annexed Memel to poor Lithuania. And they are just getting rid of the Soviet past.
  23. xomaNN
    xomaNN 17 October 2015 18: 21 New
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    An example of a truly state approach and the struggle for the interests of the USSR! How disappointing it was when, from the late 80s and 90s, the newly appointed "People's Commissars" of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (starting with Shevardnadze onwards ...) + would-be rulers of the HMS and EBN "ask .... and" a lot of fool
  24. Captain nemo
    Captain nemo 17 October 2015 18: 55 New
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    Stalin emphasized: “Therefore, the Russians need the ice-free ports of Königsberg and Memel and the corresponding part of East Prussia. Moreover, historically it is the original Slavic lands. ”

    Comrade Stalin You are a great scientist.
    In the sciences you have known the highest sense.
    I'm a simple Soviet prisoner
    and my friend is a gray Bryansk wolf.
    I'm a simple Soviet prisoner
    and my friend is a gray Bryansk wolf.
    Well, now about how the "awards", that is, the territories of the enemies, are distributed according to the "results of world wars" depending on the "contribution" to the overall victory.
    1) "Russians do not have ice-free ports on the Baltic Sea."
    Ahhhh. Here it is, that it all depends on the natural Gulf Stream, and if it was a little larger, or the Danish Straits a little wider then the Russians would have no territorial claims to defeated Germany.
    2) "All the more"
    Ahhh there is still something more than the Gulf Stream?
    Well ka, ka - this is even more interesting for me, what is there?
    3) "what historically is the primordially Slavic lands" "
    Oh, oh, oh, - then I completely felt sympathy right up to tears.
    What "Slavs" did you mean in your Tehran, Western (Polish) or Eastern, at least today's Bellorus, who settled on that land and built their houses on that land?
    1758-1762gg?
    Sorry, but you didn't settle there, so there was no history of the Eastern Slavs in East Prussia, and the Poles "historically" have more rights to these lands than you, if you don't care how much to pay for Victory in the World War. Here it is and your essence, Victory at any cost, including your own dishonor and humiliation before the Polish enemy. This is if you did not know that "Victory at any cost" is initially immoral.
    4) Well, what did you get "non-freezing ports" in the Baltic?
    Received !
    God forbid that after the third world, you once again blather, about the fact that you are missing something.
    "Power" which does not have the ability to legally punish its enemy by taking away his territories!
    Or your "sophisticated mind", something else came up with eyewash?
    1. mark7
      mark7 17 October 2015 22: 26 New
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      Quote: Captain Nemo
      Or your "sophisticated mind", something else came up with eyewash?

      The flag would be changed to your Bandera
      1. Captain nemo
        Captain nemo 17 October 2015 23: 20 New
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        What does the flag have to do with it, if both an African and an Asian can laugh at such "arguments" substantiating the "need" to acquire not their own lands.
      2. kumaxa
        kumaxa 18 October 2015 10: 55 New
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        5in action
  25. arrows
    arrows 17 October 2015 19: 57 New
    +1
    And why are we likened to great ukrams, already ridiculous.
    1. Neo1982
      Neo1982 18 October 2015 09: 26 New
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      what are we likening to?
      aren't the facts enough: a lot of blood has been spilled; historically there was a threat; residents swore an oath, etc.
  26. NyeMoNik70
    NyeMoNik70 18 October 2015 00: 27 New
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    "... ice-free ports of Königsberg and Memel are needed ...", what I missed! So what, and most importantly, who gave it (Memel) to the Chukhonts, and Vilna in addition?
    http://europespb.org/modules.php?name=News&file=view&news_id=226 Как немецкий Мемель стал литовской Клайпедой
    In short, polymers are crap. Fierce sadness.
  27. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 18 October 2015 00: 42 New
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    Hmm ... Inexplicable articles appear. First, about the Baltic states, a little later about Kaliningrad ... what next? Northern Kazakhstan ??? Oh, weird ....
  28. ps-1972
    ps-1972 18 October 2015 08: 26 New
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    Historically and the Baltic Slavic lands. We are waiting for when it is completely depopulated - will the reformatted ones leave for the West?
  29. Neo1982
    Neo1982 18 October 2015 09: 23 New
    +2
    Russian troops entered Königsberg. Residents of the city swore allegiance to the Russian Empress


    that is, something like a referendum took place - and this is more than two hundred years ago!
  30. kumaxa
    kumaxa 18 October 2015 10: 53 New
    +2
    here and do not believe in grandmother's tales! Portrait of I.V. STALIN for a very long time hung in the house of my grandfathers. and a cousin to this day covers both Khrushchev and Brezhnev about the hunchback and Benya sales, I will not write anything. According to the articles of the site, I.V. STALIN, in general, is a patriot of Russia, or rather my USSR homeland. Honestly !! it’s not clear where the truth is, where the lie. adequate review articles and reliable archival materials. either does not exist. either under the heading TOP.