"Historically - this is the original Slavic lands." How Konigsberg became Kaliningrad

"Historically - this is the original Slavic lands." How Konigsberg became Kaliningrad

70 years ago, 17 in October 1945, by the decision of the Yalta and Potsdam conferences, Koenigsberg with adjacent lands was incorporated into the USSR. In April 1946, the corresponding area was formed within the RSFSR, and three months later its main city received a new name - Kaliningrad - in memory of the deceased 3 of June “All-Union Headman” Mikhail Kalinin.


The inclusion of Königsberg with adjoining lands as part of Russia-the USSR had not only military-strategic and economic significance, and was Germany’s payment for the blood and pain inflicted on the Russian superethnos, but it also had a profound symbolic and historical value. Indeed, from ancient times Prussia-Porussia was part of the vast Slavic-Russian world (superethnos of the Rus) and Slavs-Porussians (Prussians, Borossians, Borussians) inhabited it. Later, the Prussians living on the shores of the Venedic Sea (Veneda is one of the names of the Slavs-Russians inhabiting Central Europe) “historians” who rewrote history to the needs of the Romano-German world, wrote down in balts. However, this is a mistake or deliberate deception. The Balts stood out from the single superethnos of the Russians with the latest. Back in the XIII-XIV centuries. the Baltic tribes worshiped gods common with the Russians, the cult of Perun was especially powerful. The spiritual and material culture of the Rus (Slavs) and the Balts was almost the same. Only after the Baltic tribes were Christianized and Germanized, suppressed by the matrix of Western civilization, were they separated from the superethnos of the Rus.

The Prussians were cut almost completely, as they had a very stubborn resistance to the German "knights-knights". The remains were assimilated, deprived of memory, culture and language (finally in the XVIII century). As before, their sister Slavs, lutus and supporters, were exterminated. Even during the centuries-old battle for Central Europe, where the western branch of the Ruset superethnos lived (for example, few people know that Berlin, Vienna, Brandenburg or Dresden were founded by the Slavs), many Slavs fled to Prussia and Lithuania, as well as to Novgorod land. And the Novgorod Slovens had millennial ties with the Russians of Central Europe, which is confirmed by anthropology, archeology, mythology and linguistics. It is not surprising that Western Russian prince Rurik (Sokol) was invited to Ladoga. He was not a stranger in the Novgorod land. And during the battle of the Prussians and other Baltic Slavs with the “dogs-knights” Novgorod supported relatives, supplied weapon.

In Russia, the memory of a common origin with the Porussians (Borussians) was kept for a long time. Its origins from the Rus (Prussians) Ponemania was deduced by the great princes of Vladimir. This was written by Ivan the Terrible, an encyclopaedist of his era, who had access to chronicles and chronicles that did not reach our time (or were destroyed and hidden). Many noble families of Russia derived their ancestry from Prussia. So, according to the generic tradition, the ancestors of the Romanovs went to Russia "from Prussia". The Prussians lived along the river Rossa (Rusa), as the Neman was called in the lower reaches (today the name of one of the branches of the river - Rus, Rusn, Rusn) is preserved. In the XIII century Prussian lands conquered the Teutonic Order. The Prussians were partly destroyed, partly forced out into the neighboring areas, partly relegated to the position of slaves. The population was Christianized and subjected to assimilation. The last Prussian speakers disappeared in the early 18th century.

Königsberg was founded on the hill of the high right bank in the lower reaches of the Pregel River at the site of the Prussian settlement in 1255. Otakar and the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order of Poppo von Ostern laid the Order fortress Königsberg. The troops of the Czech king came to help the defeated knights from the local population, who, in turn, were invited to Prussia by the Polish king to fight the pagans. Prussia for a long time became a strategic bridgehead of the West in the fight against Russian civilization. First, the Teutonic Order fought against Russia-Russia, including Lithuanian Russia (the Russian state, in which the official language was Russian), then Prussia and the German Empire. In 1812, East Prussia became a place for the concentration of a powerful group of French troops to go to Russia, shortly before the start of which Napoleon arrived in Konigsberg, where he conducted the first reviews of troops. The structure of the French troops were Prussian units. During the First and Second World War, East Prussia was again the springboard of aggression against Russia and more than once became the scene of fierce battles.

Thus, Rome, which was then the main command point of Western civilization, acted on the principle of "divide and conquer," pitting among the peoples of the Slavic civilization, weakening them and "absorbing" part by part. Some of the Slavorus, like the lutus and Prussians, were completely destroyed and assimilated, others, like the western glades - the Poles, the Czechs, submitted to the western "matrix", becoming part of European civilization. Similar processes in the last century have been observed in Little Russia (Little Russia-Ukraine), especially they have accelerated in the last two or three decades. The West is rapidly turning the southern branch of the Russians (Little Russians) into “Ukrainians” - ethnographic mutants, orcs, who have lost their memory of their origin, quickly lose their native language and culture. Instead, the program of death is loaded, the “Orcs-Ukrainians” hate everything Russian, Russians, and become the tip of the West for further offensive on the lands of Russian civilization (the Superethnos Russes). The masters of the West set them one goal — to die in battle with their brothers, weakening Russian civilization with their doom.

The only way out of this civilizational, historical catastrophe is the return of Little Russia to the united Russian civilization and the denazification of the “Ukrainians”, the restoration of their Russianness. It is clear that this will take more than a decade, but as the history and experience of our enemies shows, all processes are manageable. Kharkiv, Poltava, Kiev, Chernihiv, Lviv and Odessa should remain Russian cities, despite all the intrigues of our geopolitical opponents.

The first time Königsberg almost became Slavic again during the Seven Years War, when Russia and Prussia were opponents. In 1758, Russian troops entered Konigsberg. The inhabitants of the city swore allegiance to the Russian Empress Elizabeth Petrovna. Until 1762, the city belonged to Russia. East Prussia had the status of the Russian Governor-General. However, after the death of Empress Elizabeth, Peter III came to power. Once in power, Emperor Peter III, who did not hide his admiration for the Prussian king Frederick II, immediately ceased military operations against Prussia and concluded the Petersburg world with the Prussian king on conditions that were extremely unfavorable for Russia. Petr Fedorovich returned to Prussia the conquered East Prussia (which by that time had been an integral part of the Russian Empire for four years) and refused all acquisitions during the Seven Years War, which Russia had practically won. All the victims, all the heroism of the Russian soldiers, all the successes were crossed out in one fell swoop.

During World War II, East Prussia was a strategic bridgehead of the Third Reich for aggression against Poland and the Soviet Union. East Prussia had a developed military infrastructure and industry. It housed the bases of the German Air Force and Navy, which allowed to control most of the Baltic Sea. Prussia was one of the most important areas of the German military industrial complex.

The Soviet Union suffered huge losses during the war, both human and material. Not surprisingly, Moscow insisted on compensation. The war with Germany was far from over, but Stalin was looking to the future and expressed the Soviet Union’s claims to East Prussia. December 16 1941 during the negotiations in Moscow with A. Eden Stalin proposed to attach to the draft agreement on joint actions a secret protocol (not signed), which proposed to separate East Prussia and part of it with Koenigsberg to transfer to the USSR for a period of twenty years guarantees of compensation for losses incurred by the USSR from the war with Germany.

At the Tehran conference in his speech 1 December 1943, Stalin went further. Stalin emphasized: “Russians do not have non-freezing ports on the Baltic Sea. Therefore, the Russians need the ice-free ports of Konigsberg and Memel and the corresponding part of East Prussia. Especially since historically they are native Slavic lands. ” Judging by these words, the Soviet leader not only realized the strategic importance of Koenigsberg, but also knew the history of the region (the Slavic version that Lomonosov and other Russian historians set out). Indeed, East Prussia was "originally Slavic land." During a conversation with the heads of government during the November 30 breakfast, Churchill said that “Russia needs to have access to ice-free ports” and “... the British have no objections to this”.

In a letter to Churchill of February 4 1944, Stalin again addressed the Koenigsberg problem: “As for your statement to the Poles that Poland could significantly expand its borders in the west and north, then, as you know, we agree with this one amendment. I spoke to you about this amendment and to the president in Tehran. We claim that the north-eastern part of East Prussia, including Koenigsberg, as a non-freezing port, should be ceded to the Soviet Union. This is the only piece of German territory to which we claim. Without satisfying this minimal claim of the Soviet Union, the concession of the Soviet Union, expressed in recognition of the Curzon line, loses all meaning, as I already told you in Tehran. ”

Moscow’s position on East Prussia on the eve of the Crimean Conference is set out in a brief summary of the note of the Commission on Peace Treaties and Post-War Device “On the Treatment of Germany” of January 12 1945: “1. Changing the borders of Germany. It is assumed that East Prussia will go back partly to the USSR, partly to Poland, and Upper Silesia to Poland ... ”.

Great Britain and the United States for a long time tried to push through the idea of ​​decentralizing Germany, dividing it into several state entities, including Prussia. At the Moscow Conference of Foreign Ministers of the USSR, the USA and the UK (19-30 in October 1943), British Foreign Secretary A. Eden outlined the British government’s plan for the future of Germany. “We would like,” he said, “to divide Germany into separate states, in particular, we would like to separate Prussia from the rest of Germany.” At the Tehran Conference, US President Roosevelt suggested discussing the dismemberment of Germany. He said that in order to “stimulate” the discussion on this issue, he would like to state his plan “to personally dismember Germany into five states two months ago”. So, in his opinion, “Prussia should perhaps be weakened and reduced in size. Prussia should be the first independent part of Germany ... ". Churchill put forward his plan for the dismemberment of Germany. He suggested, above all, to “isolate” Prussia from the rest of Germany. “I would keep Prussia in harsh conditions,” said the head of the British government.

However, Moscow was against the dismemberment of Germany and in the end achieved a concession to part of East Prussia. Britain and the United States agreed in principle to satisfy Moscow’s proposals. In a message to JV Stalin received in Moscow 27 February 1944, Churchill indicated that the British government considered the transfer of the USSR Koenigsberg and its adjacent territory “a fair claim from Russia ... The land of this part of East Prussia is stained with Russian blood generously spilled for a common cause ... Therefore, the Russians have a historical and well-founded claim to this German territory. ”

In February, the Crimean Conference was held on 1945, at which the leaders of the three Allied Powers practically resolved issues related to the future borders of Poland and the fate of East Prussia. During the talks, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and US President F. Roosevelt stated that in principle they were in favor of dismembering Germany. The British Prime Minister, in particular, once again developed his plan for the separation of Prussia from Germany and "the creation of another large German state in the south, the capital of which could be in Vienna."

In connection with the discussion at the conference of the “Polish question” it was essentially decided that “the whole of East Prussia should not be transferred to Poland. The northern part of this province with the ports of Memel and Königsberg should depart to the USSR. The delegations of the USSR and the USA agreed with the provision of compensation to Poland “at the expense of Germany”, namely: parts of East Prussia and Upper Silesia “down to the line of the Oder River”.

Meanwhile, the Red Army practically resolved the issue of the liberation of East Prussia from the Nazis. As a result of the successful offensive summer of 1944, the Soviet troops liberated Belarus, part of the Baltic states and Poland, and approached the German border in East Prussia. In October, 1944 was conducted Memel operation. Soviet troops not only liberated part of the territory of Lithuania, but also entered East Prussia, surrounding the city of Memel (Klaipeda). Memel was taken on 28 on January 1945 of the year. The Memel region was annexed to the Lithuanian SSR (a gift from Stalin to Lithuania). In October, the 1944 was conducted Gumbinnen-Goldapa offensive operation. The first assault on East Prussia did not lead to victory. The enemy had too strong a defense here. However, the 3 Belorussian Front advanced 50-100 kilometers and took over a thousand settlements, preparing a springboard for a decisive throw on Konigsberg.

The second assault on East Prussia began in January 1945. During the East Prussian strategic operation (it was divided into a number of front-line operations), Soviet troops broke through the German defenses, reached the Baltic Sea and eliminated the main enemy forces, taking East Prussia and liberating the northern part of Poland. 6 - 9 April 1945, during the Königsberg operation, our troops stormed the fortress city Königsberg, defeating the Königsberg group of Wehrmacht. 25 operation was completed by the destruction of the enemy's Zemland grouping.


Soviet fighters storming Konigsberg

At the Berlin (Potsdam) Conference of the leaders of the three allied nations 17 July - 2 August 1945, which took place after the end of hostilities in Europe, the issue of East Prussia was finally resolved. On July 7, at the seventh meeting of the heads of government, the question of the transfer of the Konigsberg region to East Prussia to the Soviet Union was considered. At the same time, Stalin declared that “President Roosevelt and Mr. Churchill, at the Tehran Conference, gave their consent on this matter, and this issue was agreed between us. We would like this agreement to be confirmed at this conference. ” During the exchange of views, the delegations of the United States and Great Britain confirmed their agreement, given in Tehran, to the transfer to the USSR of the city of Konigsberg and the surrounding area.

The protocol of the Potsdam Conference stated: “The conference considered the proposals of the Soviet government that, until the final settlement of territorial issues during the peace settlement, the part of the western border of the USSR adjacent to the Baltic Sea ran from the point on the East coast of the Danzig Bay to the east of Braunsberg-Goldan the junction of the borders of Lithuania, the Polish Republic and East Prussia. The conference agreed, in principle, with the proposal of the Soviet Union to transfer the city of Königsberg and the surrounding area to it, as described above. However, the exact limit is subject to expert research. ” In the same documents in the “Poland” section, the expansion of Polish territory at the expense of Germany was confirmed.

Thus, the Potsdam Conference recognized the need to exclude East Prussia from Germany and transfer its territory to Poland and the USSR. “Research experts” did not follow this because of a change in the international situation, but this does not change the essence of the matter. No deadlines (“50 years”, etc., as some anti-Soviet historians claim), to which the Koenigsberg and the adjacent area were allegedly transferred to the USSR, were not established by the Allied powers. The decision was final and indefinite. Königsberg with the surrounding area became Russian forever.

16 August 1945 between the USSR and Poland signed an agreement on the Soviet-Polish state border. In accordance with this document, the Mixed Soviet-Polish Demarcation Commission was formed, and in May 1946, the demarcation work began. By April, 1947, the state border line was demarcated. 30 on April 1947, the corresponding demarcation documents were signed in Warsaw. 7 April 1946, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR issued a decree on the formation in the city of Königsberg and the adjacent region of the Königsberg region and on its inclusion in the RSFSR. 4 July it was renamed Kaliningrad.

Thus, the USSR eliminated a powerful enemy bridgehead in the north-western direction. In turn, Königsberg-Kaliningrad became the Russian military-strategic foothold in the Baltic. We have strengthened the sea and air capabilities of our armed forces in this area. As Churchill correctly noted, being an enemy of Russian civilization, but a clever enemy, it was a fair act: "The land of this part of East Prussia is stained with Russian blood generously shed for a common cause ... Therefore, the Russians have a historical and well-founded claim to this German territory." Russian superethnos returned part of the Slavic land, which was lost many centuries ago.
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  1. Kostyar 17 October 2015 06: 41 New
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    Stalin, of course, a great politician! He forced correctly and beautifully, such sharks as Churchill and Roosevelt to make decisions that were advantageous to Soviet Russia and forced them to make concessions that were obviously flawed for them, which very, very directly infuriated Churchill, who treated us like Indians, Chinese, or other pygmies of that time! !!

    ps.sy: "To sell resources means to trade your homeland" I.V. Stalin
    1. venaya 17 October 2015 06: 53 New
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      Quote: Bone
      "To sell resources means to trade your homeland" I.V. Stalin

      I always wonder why this provision does not find support on this site. What had to be done with the brain to not understand this?
      And as for the author of the article: why is everyone called Porussia non-Russian land. It was from there that the Rurikovichs and Romanovs came, but they were all Rusichs, it was always Russian land (read the book “Rus Varyag Yar”), because the German Empire arose in 1871, and not a year earlier. I have never met an opposite opinion anywhere. It seems like some kind of zombie has been carried out over all of us.
      1. Skifotavr 17 October 2015 15: 47 New
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        The history of the Western Slavs is generally grand. It's just that it’s not even accepted to talk about much of the officially known today. Who cares - I recommend reading Wikipedia articles under the names "Slavonic Chronicle", "Arkona" (in the specification - the city and the religious center of Ruyan), "Ryugen", "Svyatovit", "Rus (people)".
        1. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 02 New
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          and what we will soon bring to life. Europe Slavs! Get out of Russia Enemy seed. there, Alaska left us in reserve.
      2. anip 18 October 2015 09: 58 New
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        Quote: venaya
        It always surprises me why this particular situation does not find support on this particular site.

        Yes, this is not only on this site do not understand.

        Quote: venaya
        What had to be done with the brain to not understand this?

        This (what they did) is called brain Putinism.
      3. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 25 New
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        Alas! Dear, try to read that thread from PETER ALIKSEICH ROMANOV. STATE-EMPERATOR OF ALL-RUSSIAN!
    2. Russian Uzbek 17 October 2015 09: 54 New
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      "To sell resources means to trade your homeland" I.V. Stalin
      and nevertheless, echelons with resets went to Germany until June 22 ...
      no need to ascribe Great words which they did not utter!
      1. Basil50 17 October 2015 10: 51 New
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        You do not own the information, our liberals can lie about anything. The Germans provided a loan for a huge, at that time, amount and calculation was carried out by raw materials. Moreover, the raw materials were slightly processed, the so-called * first redistribution *. Even coal went as payment with impurities and without sorting.
        1. Russian Uzbek 17 October 2015 11: 50 New
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          "" the calculation was carried out by raw materials ""
          if this is not a sale of resources then what? you need to call a spade a spade and not be likened to the same liberals and verbiage
          1. Basil50 17 October 2015 20: 36 New
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            Do not confuse raw materials and resources.
            1. varov14 17 October 2015 22: 44 New
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              I also think that resources are deposits and they must be ours, and raw materials are raw materials. Do you want to trade, do not want to, no one forces you.
            2. Russian Uzbek 18 October 2015 06: 26 New
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              "" "Do not confuse raw materials and resources" ""
              and what is the difference in this case?
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          3. boggy 18 October 2015 22: 29 New
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            Quote: Russian Uzbek
            if this is not a sale of resources then what?


            And to get high-precision machine tools and devices from Germany for an urgently created defense industry, when only 15 years ago the country was only with plow. What else could we offer Germany, lagging behind in industrialization for a century.
        2. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 14 New
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          and so so beloved non Tsarist Russia. was truly a backward state in terms of scientific and technological progress. I.V. STALIN, with five-year plans and Dneprogress and a collective farm, led ents Tsar ROSSEY to WORLD LEADERS, for which to this day we should THANKS AND PERSONALLY. and OUR Grandfathers. And our FATHER bows at our feet.
      2. venaya 17 October 2015 10: 54 New
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        until June 22, trainloads with resorts went to Germany ...

        Here the thing is: as a result of the signed agreement of Molotov - Ribentrop, the USSR received unthinkable loans, for which there was simply nothing to pay. The loans were the most profitable, no one gave them anymore, but there was simply nothing to pay, therefore, by June 22, they didn’t pay half the debt either, they sent everything we took.
        1. lukke 17 October 2015 15: 10 New
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          Calculation of resources (wheat, etc.) was also for German machine tools and other equipment that Germany had already supplied to the USSR, debugged and produced products. So do not read the blizzard of prose writers from the early 90s.
          1. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 17 New
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            here is politics! Ent pragmatism. Current men state this thinking opens. to the same people of the earth i.e. Zemstvo is not enough for understanding.
        2. officer29 17 October 2015 21: 05 New
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          Quote: venaya
          by June 22, half the debt was not paid, they sent everything we took.

          ... we can now say with confidence that Germany in 41 acted as a collector to the debtor. what
      3. anip 18 October 2015 10: 02 New
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        and nevertheless, echelons with resets went to Germany until June 22 ...

        Yeah, and in return we got German machines, including machines for cutting shoulder straps of large diameter in armored plates, without which we would not have had the T-34-85 and IS-2. And German equipment stood in factories. We got the cruiser Tallin, the former Lyuttsov. Yes, a lot more was obtained from products of high processing.
      4. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 06 New
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        policy! you respected at the moment can make at least some long-term political forecast. alas.
      5. intuzazist 18 October 2015 16: 59 New
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        And you didn’t think about why the Soviet Union drove the trains so hard
        with grain and forest to Germany? Yes, everything is simple! The USSR was supposed to attack Germany in August and carefully scored railway tracks, interfering with the movement of troops ....
    3. ALEA IACTA EST 17 October 2015 19: 33 New
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      Quote: Bone
      Stalin, of course, a great politician! He forced correctly and beautifully, such sharks as Churchill and Roosevelt to make decisions that were advantageous to Soviet Russia and forced them to make concessions that were obviously flawed for them, which very, very directly infuriated Churchill, who treated us like Indians, Chinese, or other pygmies of that time! !!

      The steel fist in the form of the Armed Forces made it possible to impose any conditions on the West.
    4. The lead 17 October 2015 20: 18 New
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      Strange, what about genetics? Russians and Poles have a common haplogroup, the Prussians have a different haplogroup, so they were not Slavs. By the way, the Rurikovichs have a haplogroup of the Prussians, so Rurik and Rus were Prussians.
      1. Rivares 17 October 2015 21: 54 New
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        Quote: Lead
        Russians and Poles have a common haplogroup, the Prussians have a different haplogroup, so they were not Slavs

        So the article says that they are almost completely destroyed. Naturally, the territories are populated by another haplogroup.
        Quote: Lead
        By the way, the Ruriks have a haplogroup of Prussians, so Rurik and the Rus were Prussians

        Somehow with the logic you have a bad time. If Rurik Prussak then Rus are also Prussians ???? Why's that.
        Yes, by the way, the Slavs are those who professed Vedicism, and not a group with a single haplotype.
        1. The lead 18 October 2015 06: 33 New
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          Quote: Rivares
          So the article says that they are almost completely destroyed. Naturally, the territories are populated by another haplogroup.
          You have problems with logic. It was the Prussians who had a different haplogroup different from the Slavic, so they could not be Slavs by definition. And the article was bullshit. No one was satisfied with the Prussians genocide. They lost the genocide to the Crusaders, the Germans occupied Prussia, and the Prussians partly moved to the Slavs, or to the Baltic states, the remaining assimilated, became Germans. A similar process took place in modern eastern Germany, where there were Lutichs, sorbes, encouraged.
          Quote: Rivares
          If Rurik Prussak then Rus are also Prussians ????
          It is written in a tale of bygone years that Rurik arrived with his family and they called themselves Rus. If Rurik, as follows from the data of genetics, was a Prussian, then it can be argued that his relatives, who arrived with him, were also Prussians.
          Quote: Rivares
          Slavs are those who professed Vedicism, and not a group with a single haplotype.
          No need to flog the stupidity. Understand the topic, and then write critical comments.
          1. venaya 19 October 2015 22: 27 New
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            Quote: Lead
            It was the Prussians who had a different haplogroup, different from the Slavic, so they could not be Slavs by definition. ... the Germans occupied Prussia, and the Prussians partly moved to the Slavs, or to the Baltic states, the remaining assimilated, became Germans. A similar process took place in modern eastern Germany, where there were Lutichs, sorbes, and encouraged.
            Quote: Rivares
            If Rurik Prussak then Rus are also Prussians ????
            In the tale of bygone years it is written that Rurik arrived with his clan and they called themselves Rus. If Rurik, as follows from the data of genetics, was a Prussian, then it can be argued that his relatives, who arrived with him, were also Prussians.
            Quote: Rivares
            Slavs are those who professed Vedicism, and not a group with a single haplotype.

            Sorry, this is such a mess !!! If you are writing about a gallogroup, then if you please call her. According to the data available to me, the gallogroup R1B1 includes up to 90% of the inhabitants of nowadays northern Germany (less in southern). In the composition of the Russian Federation, only 70% of these. That is, today the percentage of true Rusich (Rus) in Germany is higher than in the Russian Federation, if you have other data, let me know, otherwise I will think that you are a member of a secret society and you are forbidden to disclose the secrets of this society. It will be difficult for you to find out the Prussians gallogroup, as this term itself is sucked out of the fingers and verbiage of cabinet professors and is not justified by anything, such a nation never existed in nature, and Rurik and his whole circle were true Rus and no other there simply wasn’t there at that time. The Baltic states also appeared recently, since the Baltic Sea is a pure newspeak, this reservoir at that time was called differently and also at different times in different ways. As for the Slavs, this is generally a separate song, there is simply not enough space here.
        2. Russian Uzbek 18 October 2015 07: 10 New
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          Rurik - a semi-mythical character who may not even have existed in nature
          1. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 40 New
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            HERE is a questionable question. perhaps as scientists say. was a Slav boss of the company. and went to war sales of francs. he became a leader among the Varangians and was for his military affairs. honest court and truth. that is, compliance with the legal norms of that time is called to reign. and jump from the cotton was. so Varangian rorik. they remembered him. the nickname of other comrades was assigned to him such chronicles no. the warriors of Christ put their hands to it.
            1. Russian Uzbek 18 October 2015 13: 13 New
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              "" no annals "" i.e. no sources confirming the existence of Rurik - does not exist in nature
              1. venaya 19 October 2015 21: 39 New
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                Quote: Russian Uzbek
                "" no annals "" i.e. no sources confirming the existence of Rurik - does not exist in nature

                Chronicle fake how to pour two fingers! This source cannot be completely reliable, more reliable sources are archaeological excavations, but it is in them that the traces of Rurik were found. By the way, there are inscriptions in Russian, then there was no German, Old German or Prussian language there. So if you dig this nature, then you can dig a lot of interesting things.
  2. alekc73 17 October 2015 06: 42 New
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    Nothing new. "Onslaught to the East" led to the destruction of the Slavic tribes of lutechs and encouragement. Prussia became German. Stalin knew this, so he returned his way. By the way, the fabulous island of Buyan is Ruyan (Rügen). Russian epics and tales do not lie.
    1. venaya 17 October 2015 07: 45 New
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      Quote: alekc73
      "Onslaught to the East" led to the destruction of the Slavic tribes lutech and encouraging. Prussia became German.

      Here the problem is that the Germans were only once there. Even the term "nimEtchina", speaks only about the fact that people were forced to speak a non-native language. “Ne Bee, nor Mee” is just sound-like kind of animals, that is, incomprehensible speech, and nothing else. Is there really a change in the people themselves?
      1. Throw 17 October 2015 08: 34 New
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        German dumb was implied due to lack of knowledge of the language.

        Not be, not me ... laughing
        1. venaya 17 October 2015 08: 54 New
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          Quote: Lance
          German - dumb was implied, due to lack of knowledge of the language.
          Not be, not me ... laughing

          This is one of the options. In modern Ukrainian. mov, the term "NimEtchina" is used - in the sense of a country. The meaning "dumb" is used now and even in the word "Nenets". In Russian, the word "dumb" - often means a person who can not speak at all - can not = not mine. There are a lot of nuances, one value here clearly does not work. crying
          1. Turkir 17 October 2015 11: 21 New
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            The German is dumb.
            This is what linguists say, not me or Lance.
            1. venaya 17 October 2015 17: 15 New
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              Quote: Turkir
              This is what linguists say, not me

              And with your own head you are too lazy to think. There are many linguists, one says so, the other that way, and I am alone. Refer to which particular group of linguists you rely on. And yet, if you are not dealing with this issue, who allowed you to act as an expert? Here, something is not clear why you need it.
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              German is dumb

              Here is a deep image.
              Dumb, not only in the sense can not say anything, but NOT MY (MY), i.e. a stranger.
              The Slavs called the representatives of non-white peoples. Initially, the Gothic tribes were not alien and were not called Germans. If anyone remembers that the Goths worshiped Odin, one of the Slavic Gods, then they were later Christianized and pitted with everyone around, which happened everywhere where Christianity came ..
      2. Chak 17 October 2015 16: 05 New
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        All the foreigners whom the Russes did not understand, they called Germans, precisely from the word HIM, tormenting themselves for something, and what is incomprehensible. Similarly, the Greeks and Romans called barbarians (Russian reading of barbarian), who spoke bar-bar ... Our ancestors called each other Slovenes (Slavs - later distorted name), i.e. those who understand speech are the word. An example is the Ilmen Slovenes, who founded Novgorod and mastered gigantic territories, by the way, most closely related to the German and Baltic Slavs.
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          Quote: ChAK
          Our ancestors called each other Slovenes (Slavs - a later distorted name), i.e. those who understand speech are the word.

          Your version is familiar to me. Remember - science is not a religion, it is in constant development. The last most elaborated version of the origin of the word "Slavs" - comes from the Latin "fusion" that is, in theirs, "slave". It comes from the Etruscan falconry, which corresponds to our type of falcons.
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            Quote: venaya
            Quote: ChAK
            Our ancestors called each other Slovenes (Slavs - a later distorted name), i.e. those who understand speech are the word.

            Your version is familiar to me. Remember - science is not a religion, it is in constant development. The last most elaborated version of the origin of the word "Slavs" - comes from the Latin "fusion" that is, in theirs, "slave". It comes from the Etruscan falconry, which corresponds to our type of falcons.

            You just take a look at the map: the Slavs, once again I repeat, the BIGGEST ethnos of Europe! The largest! What kind of slaves are to the bene? Turn on your head: what stupid person would call HIMSELF a stranger, and even a derogatory name ?! It’s the same as if the inhabitants of the USA, for example, called themselves “well, dumb-s-s-s!”
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              Slavs, once again I repeat, THE BIGGEST ethnos of Europe! The largest! What kind of slaves are to the bene? Turn on your head: what stupid person would call HIMSELF a stranger, and even a derogatory name ?! It’s the same as if the inhabitants of the USA, for example, called themselves “well, dumb-s-s-s!”

              Understand me: with terms in my head, porridge is complete. Remember: "If a person is 99 times repeated that he is a" pig "- then for the hundredth time he will begin to grunt" - this is a classic of psychology. Such phenomena are well described by a psychiatrist prof. Lambroso, it's a pity it's hard to find. And "Europe", also not an autochthonous term, was introduced here by the Phoenicians.
              1. Horn 21 October 2015 09: 32 New
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                Europe, this is for the very smart, in Latin - EAST. East End.
                They listened a lot to Russophobia, and then on to Lombroso, a specialist in skulls.
      3. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 47 New
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        Well, Motri Ukrainians. tfu sor! ukro - banderlog. and painting. nematchina. dumb choli people get.
    2. Lelek 17 October 2015 12: 10 New
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      . "Onslaught to the East" led to the destruction of the Slavic tribes luthechi and encouraging. Prussia became German.


      Prussians - Slavic tribes were conquered by "orders", who appropriated not only these lands, but also the name - Prussia. The settlement of Prussians Koloberg (in transcription - "located on the shore") was renamed Königsberg (and the order was built on the mountain, and then renamed the royal castle), and the river Prigor (in transcription - "flowing under the mountain") - in Pregel. Prussian Slavs mined amber, traded it, fish and animal skins, of which there were a great many in the forests on this territory. The Teutons destroyed the entire indigenous population. So Prussia became a German enclave. yes
    3. kumaxa 18 October 2015 11: 53 New
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      Yes, UNCLE JOE was right. So his Yankee name was read by the leader, he was very offended by the Yankee for ento. All the same, a seminary student.
  3. Reducer 17 October 2015 06: 46 New
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    In the textbooks!
    1. venaya 17 October 2015 06: 57 New
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      In the textbooks!

      And who will give it? Who controls the whole training chain? You can only dream about it, but as a rule, we do not have enough power to realize it.
    2. whiteeagle 17 October 2015 09: 07 New
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      a lot of bullshit. knights of the order were invited to Prussia by the Polish king — it was not a king. On the other hand, it was the idea of ​​his Russian wife (Agafya Svyatoslavovna). In addition, the rulers of Moscow from the beginning of the sixteenth century to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact collaborated with the Germans against the Slavs. For example, a year ago in Belarus the Slavs celebrated the anniversary of the victory of the Battle of Orsha 1514. The Tsar of Russia and the Hohenzollern were in union.
      1. Comrade Bender 17 October 2015 09: 27 New
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        Against which Slavs, Polish? Who themselves tore Russia and wanted to swallow it completely? So, against such and necessary.
        1. parusnik 17 October 2015 09: 37 New
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          Moscow rulers from the beginning of the sixteenth century to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact collaborated with the Germans against the Slavs... Well, well, more in detail ... Something new ... smile The only thing is almost true, the Polish king invited the Teutons to fight the Gentile Slavs ... the Teutonic Order first slaughtered the Slavs .. and then set about the Poles and Lithuanians and the Russians for one thing .. But it didn’t work out, the Livonian order had to be called up to cope .. yes did not grow together ..
          1. tolian 17 October 2015 10: 49 New
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            The Geyevropeysky rabble came to the Baltic states after the defeat of the crusaders on modern warheads. Consequently, the Pope sent them to the feeding areas. And the Poles were already “flooded”. So began the "christianization" of the Baltic peoples, similar to the modern "democratization" of the world by ami and their singers.
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            here for Muscovy. silent men are taught their sins; mouth is full of Chezh; they themselves could not come to their senses.
      2. tolian 17 October 2015 10: 41 New
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        Smeared eagle, with such historical knowledge in the madhouse of a fairy tale tell.
  4. midashko 17 October 2015 07: 02 New
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    Little Russia also needs to be returned to the Russian state. In Little Russia, not only the territory, the population is also overwhelmingly Russian. Unless one can pretend to Galicia, do not be independent high (or a protectorate of Hungary). New Russia is simply recognized as part of Russia, like Crimea, on the status of regions.
    At the expense of joining. Through a referendum, this is understandable, but the main one should be another referendum - a referendum of the people of Russia on consent to accept Russia. Otherwise, what if? For example, a new traitor, Humpbacked, will appear and accept some Zimbabwe as part of the country, then we’ll cry from migrants, these will not be intelligible Caucasians with hypertrophied conceit and temperament, but diverse herds of niggas, stupid and lascivious. To decompose the country, to destabilize the regime, a very good pebble in the garden. At this referendum, it will be possible to refuse to accept Galicia into the country. Somewhere there should be a reservation for Natsik.
    1. tolian 17 October 2015 11: 03 New
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      No event is stupider than a nationwide referendum. After all, this is nothing but a tool of those who know against stupid and uninitiated. As a rule, referenda are held by rulers who know its outcome. They are profitable. They need it. But is it necessary for those who, with bulging eyes, screaming for or against screaming, as a rule, do not know. And it’s good when the desired result for the referendum organizers coincides with the desire of the people. But then referenda are not held. And they just change something. Is not it? Imagine a bunch of relatives choosing a bride for someone. And this is a kind of referendum. Arguing on this subject, you will inevitably come to Stalin.
    2. Captain nemo 17 October 2015 16: 03 New
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      Quote: midashko
      At the expense of joining. Through a referendum, this is understandable, but the main one should be another referendum - a referendum of the people of Russia on consent to accept Russia. Otherwise, what if?

      If you didn’t notice, then I noticed that with your proposal you only violated the fundamental principle of the UN charter on the “inviolability of borders”.
      I do not consider it viable when it is not the army, but the "presidents and deputies" elected by the people, diplomats against the will of all and without asking their "voters" that change the border and this is considered "legal" in accordance with international law. But what you suggested is even worse than the absurdity that there is now and Crimea is no exception.
      The referendum in Czechoslovakia of the late 80s is one thing, when the historical line of separation of Chekhov and Slovaks is known that does not affect external borders, but you propose to stamp the "Historical remake" of new borders with people that are "people", the vast majority of who are ready to abandon the "Old Peace "and its past heritage and poorly representing the consequences of such endless referenda. Or do you hope that after 15-20 years your children just as well as you now will not have a desire to hold another “fair historical referendum” on changing borders?
    3. kumaxa 18 October 2015 12: 17 New
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      to return them to the Polaks as they rejoice. Stalin was not right when he started the exchange, oh not right. Nothing is fixable.
  5. bulat 17 October 2015 07: 26 New
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    It’s good that Khrushch did not think of giving Kaliningrad to Lithuania.
    1. Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 08: 34 New
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      Khrushchev didn’t think of it, so others did.
      In the text of the article, Alexander speaks of Memel.
      Well, this is the city of Klaipeda, which never before 1945 belonged to Lithuania. And it was part of Prussia.
      They took Kaliningrad for themselves, and transferred half of the Curonian Spit with Klaipeda to Lithuania, as did the western face of the Soviet Union.
      The “face” in pace turned into the “eastern ass of Europe”, but Klaipeda region did not return back.
      As well as the Vilnius region, which was also never part of Lithuania. Russian Empire - yes, Poland - yes. But not Lithuania.
      ....
      Anyway, with these lands such a story that to study and study.
      Only one thing is clear, initially they were Slavic.
      And the point.
  6. Dezinto 17 October 2015 08: 21 New
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    We are Russia and.
  7. Reptiloid 17 October 2015 08: 31 New
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    Many THANKS to the author for a great good article. The author pleased all Russians. What I wanted to write about the article --- others have already written before me. Respectfully.
  8. gabonskijfront 17 October 2015 08: 37 New
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    He was born and gave birth to three, in my dear Koningsberschine. We have a wild cross here, there are whole areas inhabited by already Russified Lithuanians, Mordovians, like I got into a village where the old people spoke an incomprehensible language, turned out to be Chuvashs. German Prussianism created modern Germany, this the Germanized descendants of the Baltic Slavs, Prussians and Teutonic knights in the 19th century drove all these Bavarians and the rest of the Holstein people into a single Germany with iron and blood, in fact this land is the cradle of German statehood, a mystical land and holy for the Germans.
    1. kvs207 17 October 2015 11: 16 New
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      I have many friends who left for Kaliningrad from Kazakhstan. In the beginning. - ser. 90s, it was very popular to go there.
    2. Mishmish 17 October 2015 14: 26 New
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      , the Prussians and the Teutonic knights in the 19th century drove all these Bavarians and the rest of the Holstein people into one Germany with iron and blood,

      But Russia was not going to? Didn’t they drive everyone with blood? into a single whole ...
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        Quote: MishMish
        But Russia was not going to?

        Any empire needs a bloody foundation ...
  9. Mihail55 17 October 2015 09: 10 New
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    .However, Moscow was against the dismemberment of Germany and eventually secured a concession to part of East Prussia. England and the United States agreed in principle to satisfy Moscow's proposals ...
    The Germans should be grateful to us until the end of the century, and they ... ugh!
  10. Clutch 17 October 2015 09: 14 New
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    For some reason, Lithuania is silent about the gift of the Soviet invaders in the form of the Memel region (Klaipeda !! What, doesn’t fit into the image of the savage occupier ???
  11. Vais 17 October 2015 09: 38 New
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    Actually, the Prussians were the Balts, and not the Slavs, like the ancestors of the Lithuanians. Although the Balts and the Slavs are very closely related tribes. Closer than individual Germanic peoples to each other.
    1. venaya 17 October 2015 10: 26 New
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      Actually, the Prussians were the Balts, and not the Slavs, like the ancestors of the Lithuanians. Although the Balts and Slavs are very closely related tribes

      And all of them taken together spoke close related little dialects of the Russian language and used the same alphabet. And yet, they had closely related family ties (naturally before the advent of Christianity). It is noteworthy that they lived in the area of ​​one sea, which was called the Venetian Gulf (the Yara Sea, etc.), but the name Baltic Sea appeared much later, no one knew this name before and had no opportunity to call people the Baltic - the Baltic states, and etc. Moreover, the term "Slavs" is not of local origin, it was brought by not very distant Christians, along with the Latin language, where it comes from.
      1. sergach 17 October 2015 11: 41 New
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        [/ Quote]
        And all of them taken together spoke close similar little dialects of the Russian language and used the same alphabet. [/ Quote]
        In fact, the judgment about languages ​​is too bold and does not correspond to modern scientifically confirmed information. A comparative analysis of the surviving sources says that the Prussian language was the closest to the modern Lithuanian language.
        In those days there were no single standardized languages, because there were no states and nations in the modern sense of the word. The Prussians themselves spoke a heap of dialects. And by the way, they didn’t have such a name.
        The eastern coast of the Baltic Sea was in the eighth and ninth century a steep mix of Slavic and Baltic tribes. So you’ll figure out who the hell who was who and how he spoke.
        1. venaya 17 October 2015 14: 02 New
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          ... the judgment about languages ​​is too bold and does not correspond to modern scientifically confirmed information. ... So that you’ll understand who the hell it was and how you said it.

          Sorry, but your judgments lead me into a stupor, I can lose my speechlessness! "does not correspond to modern scientifically confirmed information" - do not correspond to modern ??? So read then not modern, but simply scientific classics. Take the book "Korneslov" by the President of the Imperial Academy of Sciences, Shishkov. This is not enough, the researchers of his modern followers cannot be counted; I myself read and am delighted. You at least take any book of release until the year 1700 or until the year 1917, so there only the last Russian calendar has a date for today 7524th summer. Is that not enough for you? I myself read the inscriptions on the sargophagus, age 7000 years, with the inscription "Zhivina Rus", again a little. Can you imagine how much information has been accumulated today?
          "does not correspond to modern scientifically confirmed information." - If you mean religious science, then yes, here I can not argue with you. But after all, I am familiar with research, which by volume, will not enter the local volume in any way. Please, take a closer look at scientific sources, do not slip into the yellow press, which has already crushed everyone.
          1. Mishmish 18 October 2015 13: 28 New
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            I myself read the inscriptions on the sargophagus, age 7000 years, with the inscription "Zhivina Rus"

            photo in the studio ... nakroynyak where IT is located
            1. venaya 19 October 2015 18: 16 New
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              Quote: MishMish
              inscriptions on the sargophagus, age 7000 years, with the inscription "Zhivina Rus"
              photo in the studio ... nakroynyak where IT is located

              Look at the "Tripoli culture", one of its elements is located 18 km southeast of Belgrade, the excavations are called the "Vinca culture", there is such a village. The estimated age of burials is 7000 years, the language used and the form of writing are close to modern, it is better to make sure yourself, because all this sounds unusual. Look, be convinced, I saw it in Internet. I think in the film.
      2. Director 18 October 2015 02: 09 New
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        The Prussians were Balts and had nothing to do with the Slavs. And it doesn’t matter what term Balts call.
        The author generally confuses all historical terms, for example, Kievan Rus, Moscow Principality, modern Russia and historical Prussian land
  12. parusnik 17 October 2015 09: 39 New
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    "Historically, these are primordially Slavic lands." How Königsberg became Kaliningrad...Something was returned ...
  13. silver169 17 October 2015 10: 11 New
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    It would be good if the name for Kaliningrad is normal. More consonant with Russia and Russian culture. Well, for example, Constantinople, or something))). Here in Polish the city is called Krulevits. At that time, when the historical names were returned to most cities of Russia, the name Kaliningrad, in my opinion, sounds like a discord.
    1. venaya 17 October 2015 10: 31 New
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      Quote: silver169
      It would be good if the name for Kaliningrad is normal. More consonant with Russia and Russian culture. Well, for example, Constantinople, or something)))

      In no case, we already have Constantinople, it is Istanbul captured by the Ottomans. And the present Kaliningrad was founded by the King of Bohemia, Charles V. Then he still moonlighted as the Holy Roman Empire emperor.
    2. moskowit 17 October 2015 16: 16 New
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      Well, if the old name was returned to the city of St. Petersburg, then Köninsberg will be normal. That Krulevits that Tsargrad, semantic meaning is the same. Only Constantinople does not mount in any way. This is the capital of Byzantium, from where Orthodoxy spread to Russia.
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      It would be nice to take a normal name for Kaliningrad

      Renaming cities is great stupidity.
  14. Stoler 17 October 2015 10: 46 New
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    Nefig questions about the "historical affiliation" of any territory to Russia generally raise !!! So you can until hell knows what to agree. OUR AND EVERYTHING !!!!!
  15. kvs207 17 October 2015 11: 14 New
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    historical names were returned to most cities of Russia, the name Kaliningrad, in my opinion, sounds dissonant.

    Most Russian cities have not been renamed in any way, and that’s right.
  16. Turkir 17 October 2015 11: 27 New
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    In the novel of a German writer (he forgot his surname) "The Adventures of Werner Holt", there was a film of the same name, the character is a purebred Prussian - Voltsov.
    A little touch to the previous comments.
    In the comments where the Poles appear, do not forget about their Catholic religion.
    You can read about the names of the Prussians at http://lujicajazz.narod.ru/familii.html

    1. Alexander Badrow, this is the current (as of 2012) burgomaster of the city of Stralsund. German. The surname Badrov is also well known among the Russians. Also, you can recall the Russian surname Bodrov.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Alexander_Badrow_%282010-08-1


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    Alexander Badrov.
    2. Moritz Barkow, a modern German handball player. Russians also know this surname very well. Remember, for example, the poet of the mid-18th century, Ivan Semenovich Barkov.
    3. Otto von Belov (Otto von Below), the famous German infantry general, during the First World War. Born in the mid-19th century ....

    There is a long list, maybe someone will find Prussian roots. wink
    1. Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 12: 29 New
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      Duc ...
      Von Vizin ... whoever says that a German will let me cut my finger off. Or lick.
      ....
      Surnames have nothing to do with it. I think so.
      The mass of Slavic families is among the Germans. Kossowski, for example.
      The mass of German surnames is among Russians. Yes, and the Germans are pure, who consider themselves Russian Germans. Or do not understand at all who consider themselves to be dependent on the circumstances.
      .
      No, last names are not an indicator. Moreover, they appeared only in the 16-17th centuries.
      Boyarsky, for the sake of interest - surname or affiliation? I would like to be a son, a boyar.
      Russian ... begs the question, yes?
      It begs, I know.
      So - Russian - THIS IS A SPECIAL FORM OF THE SUBJECT, EDUCATED FROM FUNCTIONALITY.
      Sentinel, helmsman, helmsman, forward-looking, shift, shift (method), duty ... and who else will give examples?
      .
      And what is our functionality? To be Russ ....- ohm, -th, th ...?
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        I’ll answer myself ..... a greyhound ... and whoever says that he cannot act both on his own - a noun and a definition - a greyhound man ...
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        and in Chechen, “borz” means “wolf”. Wild wolf.
        It’s as if there are tamed ones.
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        So maybe - Russ - too. ... not amenable to flawed, Western logic, comrade, huh?
  17. sergach 17 October 2015 12: 39 New
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    Regarding the disappearance of the puddles, lutichs and encouraged, not everything is so simple. There is evidence that the Germanization of these tribes only in places was forced. To be precise, Christianization was forced at the beginning of the twelfth century.
    And then the Saxon kings loved to boast that there were different nations in their kingdom. At first, the Slavic nobility, having adopted Christianity, decided to merge with the Saxon nobility, and the rest was a matter of time. In other words, Germanization was more likely a byproduct in the case of the Slavs who lived between Laba and Odra. The main process was Christianization.
    An interesting fact that not everyone knows about. The Mecklenburg House originates from the leader of the Bodrich Union, their last independent prince, Nikloth (1090–1160). Niklot died in battles for the pagan faith of the Slavic Slavs. His son Pribyslav was forced to recognize himself as a vassal of the Duke of Saxony, becoming the founder of the Nikloting dynasty, which ruled in Mecklenburg until 1918. The Mecklenburgs, in turn, were intermarried by dynastic marriages with a dynasty of Vettins, from whom the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dynasty originated, they are also the Windsor. So Baba Lisa on the British throne has distant Slavic roots, like all Windsor.
    1. Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 12: 45 New
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      Well, around Berlin there are still settlements of Lusatian Serbs.
      Interestingly, Hitler and his regime did not touch them.
      They suffered much more from the policies of the USSR and the GDR.
      I read from a year ago, by search, precipitated. It was unpleasant even, but where to go.
      .
      But Montenegro .... oh yes, bros. Slavs. Thoroughbreds. But in NATU - you won’t hold it.
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        returning to the text Sergach is obtained.
        Volkov is right with his interpretation.
        The Windsor, and the rest of the gang-brethren, including Valois, the Bourbons and the Stuarts, the younger branch of the Rurikovich.
        From where did such malice go to the original Russia?
        Maybe the Merovingians and Plantagenets were on par, but over.
        Sadness ...
  18. kvs207 17 October 2015 12: 40 New
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    So - Russian - THIS

    Russian is an affiliation to an ethnic group. The question is whose.
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      I don’t know whose.
      Yes, and never was interested.
      More significant other - abroad, of course, the same.
      The only nation that is not at all in the mainstream of global civilization (in the interpretation of the United States and sang along).
      I am Russian, I have nowhere to go.
      But, according to the spirit of the Russians, but according to the nation, the Bashkirs, let’s say, or Tuvans, I don’t know a single case to be advertised in a foreign country.
      .
      Fear and rejection, horror and inevitability are the emotions of Western Europeans. From the Russians.
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      And whom ours used there in 1945 .... is generally incomprehensible. Children, of course, rebel against their parents. But not to the same extent.
      Obviously not ours frolic there.
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    Someone throw the appropriate part of the article on Wikipedia!
    1. prishelec 17 October 2015 16: 11 New
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      Someone throw the appropriate part of the article on Wikipedia!

      laughing Yes, Wikipedia is already full of garbage ..!
  20. Mishmish 17 October 2015 14: 22 New
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    united superethnos of russ

    The author on the LIKE! People .... do not say what is "Rus" ???? Definition-links to the source and more .. The author operates with dreams and tales ..
    1. venaya 17 October 2015 17: 06 New
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      "People .... you will not tell what is "Russ"???? "- these are all white peoples of modern Eurasia, the word" race "also comes from this term. Please look for sources of the sea yourself, although this is probably not of interest to you.
  21. unknown 17 October 2015 15: 46 New
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    By the way, the so-called German language was officially created in 1902.
    No single German people existed until 1871.
    The German people are the same artificial people of Europe as any other.
    The process of Germanization of the Slavs? By whom ? If at the beginning of the so-called Germanization, there were no Germans at all. The processes are similar to those that took place and are taking place on the outskirts of the Russian state. After the collapse of a single state, the local elite decided to legitimize in a new role. An artificial language is created, and by distorting the existing one. Then this newspeak is intensely planted. Together with a new, fabulous story about an allegedly long-existing people. And then it says that it always has been. Moreover, this is the best option, and the Germans were completely unlucky: their language is completely artificial, not without reason the Kaiser refused to sign this.
    1. Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 15: 59 New
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      I’ll only say about the language.
      Himself a year ago he began to actively study.
      Before that, I used everything in English, well, so, it’s not a language, but some kind of “fenya”. It is mastered easily, it is said easily - it is just as easy and cracked - you are not a native speaker, milaaaai.
      And the German brought me to Shock-and-Awe.
      I have not seen a more logical and structured language so far.
      Maybe Spanish, at least.
      He was fascinated by German immediately. And forever, I feel.
      That it is a constructed language is obvious. Clearly visible. And right away.
      But, struck by the depth of study, this is something unimaginable.
      Only this notorious Plus KwamPerfect is a masterpiece.
      But with cases and with childbirth (conjugations) - let us down. Well, the designers did not speak this language, definitely. They spoke Russian, or very close to Russian. Possessive denim, damit --- and all sorts of funny things.
      ....
      On the site of German languages ​​(and there are slightly fewer than ... free ... sites), such dialects of German are cited. The main ones, about five or six. And how many more local ones.
      A single state, you say .... xxxxhy!
      1. Rivares 17 October 2015 22: 19 New
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        I’ll only say about the language.
        Himself a year ago he began to actively study.

        If I studied this I did not write. And comparisons with other languages ​​would result. You did not understand the Russian language and the basics.
        Real Russian is only genetically Russian revealed. Maybe that's why.
  22. BIGLESHIY 17 October 2015 16: 59 New
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    Memel region was annexed in the Lithuanian SSR (a gift from Stalin to Lithuania)

    Is it possible that he claims to return Memel to Russia? After all, we such "occupiers" took and forcibly annexed Memel to poor Lithuania. And they just get rid of the Soviet past.
  23. xomaNN 17 October 2015 18: 21 New
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    An example of a truly state approach and the struggle for the interests of the USSR! What a shame it was when, from the late 80s and 90s, the newly appointed "People's Commissars" of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (starting with Shevarnadze and further ...) + the unfortunate rulers of the HMS and EBN "pros .... and" a lot of this fool
  24. Captain nemo 17 October 2015 18: 55 New
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    Stalin emphasized: “Therefore, the Russians need the ice-free ports of Königsberg and Memel and the corresponding part of East Prussia. Moreover, historically it is the original Slavic lands. ”

    Comrade Stalin You are a great scientist.
    In the sciences you have known the highest sense.
    I'm a simple Soviet prisoner
    and my friend is a gray Bryansk wolf.
    I'm a simple Soviet prisoner
    and my friend is a gray Bryansk wolf.
    Well, now about how the "rewards" are distributed, that is, the territory of the enemies, according to the "results of world wars" depending on the "contribution" to the overall victory.
    1) "Russians do not have ice-free ports on the Baltic Sea."
    Ahhhh. Here it is, that it all depends on the natural Gulf Stream, and if it was a little larger, or the Danish Straits a little wider then the Russians would have no territorial claims to defeated Germany.
    2) "Moreover"
    Ahhh there is still something more than the Gulf Stream?
    Well ka, ka - this is even more interesting for me, what is there?
    3) "which historically is the original Slavic lands" "
    Oh, oh, oh, - then I completely felt sympathy right up to tears.
    What kind of “Slavs” did you mean in your Tehran Western (Polish) or Eastern, at least today's Byelorussians who were entrenched in that land and built their houses on that land?
    1758-1762gg?
    Sorry, but you didn’t settle there, that means there was no history of the East Slavs in East Prussia, and the Poles "historically" have more rights to these lands than you if you do not care how much you pay for victory in the World War. Here it is your essence, Victory at any cost, including your own dishonor and humiliation before the Polish enemy. This is if you did not know about the fact that “Victory at any cost” is initially immoral.
    4) Well, what are the "non-freezing ports" in the Baltic Sea received?
    Received !
    God forbid that after the third world, you once again blather, about the fact that you are missing something.
    "Stainless" which does not have the property to legally punish its enemy by taking territories from it!
    Or your "sophisticated mind", something else came up with a fraud?
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      Or your "sophisticated mind", something else came up with a fraud?

      The flag would be changed to your Bandera
      1. Captain nemo 17 October 2015 23: 20 New
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        What does the flag have to do with this, if African and Asian can laugh at such "arguments" justifying the "need" for acquiring land that is not their own.
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        5in action
  25. arrows 17 October 2015 19: 57 New
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    And why are we likened to great ukrams, already ridiculous.
    1. Neo1982 18 October 2015 09: 26 New
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      what are we likening to?
      aren't the facts enough: a lot of blood has been spilled; historically there was a threat; residents swore an oath, etc.
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    "... we need non-freezing ports of Königsberg and Memel ...", cho I missed! So what is the main thing and who, gave it (Memel) to the Chukhites also Vilna in addition?
    http://europespb.org/modules.php?name=News&file=view&news_id=226 Как немецкий Мемель стал литовской Клайпедой
    In short, polymers are crap. Fierce sadness.
  27. Grim Reaper 18 October 2015 00: 42 New
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    Hmm ... Inexplicable articles appear. First, about the Baltic states, a little later about Kaliningrad ... what next? Northern Kazakhstan ??? Oh, weird ....
  28. ps-1972 18 October 2015 08: 26 New
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    Historically and the Baltic Slavic lands. We are waiting for when it is completely depopulated - will the reformatted ones leave for the West?
  29. Neo1982 18 October 2015 09: 23 New
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    Russian troops entered Königsberg. Residents of the city swore allegiance to the Russian Empress


    that is, something like a referendum took place - and this is more than two hundred years ago!
  30. kumaxa 18 October 2015 10: 53 New
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    here and do not believe in grandmother's tales! Portrait of I.V. STALIN for a very long time hung in the house of my grandfathers. and a cousin to this day covers both Khrushchev and Brezhnev about the hunchback and Benya sales, I will not write anything. According to the articles of the site, I.V. STALIN, in general, is a patriot of Russia, or rather my USSR homeland. Honestly !! it’s not clear where the truth is, where the lie. adequate review articles and reliable archival materials. either does not exist. either under the heading TOP.