Armored fist of the Middle Kingdom

According to Chinese military experts, tank troops, despite the increased vulnerability of tanks in connection with the development of anti-tank weapons, remain the main striking force of the ground forces. They are intended for warfare, both independently and as part of interspecific (combined) force groupings. In Chinese documents and military literature, it is argued that due to their high firepower, reliable armor protection, high mobility and maneuverability of tanks, the most effective is the use of armored forces in the main directions to break through the enemy’s defense in depth, delivering powerful, deep strikes. Very effective Chinese military experts consider the use of armored forces in defense, as well as in raid operations as part of operational mobile groups (OMG).





ON THE WAY TO UNIFICATION


As of the beginning of the 2015 of the year, the PLA Ground Forces were armed with approximately 6540 medium and main battle tanks (MBT). Of these, Type-59 - 2000 tanks; Type-59II - 500, Type-59D - 550, Type-79 - 300, Type-88A / B - 500, Type-96 -1000, Type-96A - 1050, Type-98A - 40, Type-99 - 500 and Type-99A - 100 tanks. In addition, the Chinese army has 750 light tanks, including 350 Type-05AAV tanks (ZTD-05), 350 Type-62 tanks, 50 Type-63 tanks, and 200 reconnaissance tanks Type-009 (09 tanks (CHNXXX tanks) (CHNXXX tanks) (CH-2013 tanks), and 2014 tanks of Type-300 tanks (CHNXXX tanks). ). Comparing the data for 100 – XNUMX years, it can be concluded that approximately annually XNUMX tanks of old modifications are taken out of the PLA Ground Forces combat personnel per year and up to the new and newest vehicles are adopted before XNUMX.

China will continue to continue to reduce the model range and the number of the tank fleet of the main (maneuverable) forces of its ground forces, increasing the number of modern main battle tanks comparable in their tactical and technical characteristics and combat capabilities to the machines of the advanced countries of the world in scientific, technical and technological terms .

In the coming 5-7, the Type-59 and Type-96 tanks of various modifications will remain in service due to their multiplicity, while the modern Type-98A, Type-99 and Type-99A tanks will be morale and physically outdated as they are out of service. occupy a dominant position in the number of Chinese tank park.

The latest and most advanced modification of the medium tank of the Type-59 family was created using Western technologies based on the Soviet T-62 tank, which fell into the hands of the Chinese during the armed conflict on Fr. Damansky in March 1969. In variants D and D1, the tank has a dynamic protection, a computerized fire control system, a laser range finder, passive night vision devices, a rifled cannon with 44 rounds of ammunition, stabilized in two planes, including projectiles with a core of depleted uranium and armored to 600 mm. Can use tank guided missile (SD), with a maximum firing range at ground armored targets up to 5200 m and armor to 700 mm. These missiles are capable of hitting helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles. Machine-gun armament is two 7,62-mm (paired with a cannon and course) and 12,7-mm anti-aircraft guns.

The Type-96 main battle tank is equipped with a 730 l diesel engine, its maximum speed reaches 57 km / h, power reserve is 700 – 900 km, cannon armament: a two-plane-stabilized 125-mm smooth-bore gun with automatic loader (6-8 speed of fire) shots per minute), sighting range of firing at armored targets 3000 m. Machine-gun armament - paired with a gun 7,62-mm and anti-aircraft 12,7-mm machine guns.

TANK SYNTHESIS


The main battle tanks of the Type-98 / Type-99 family are comparable to the American M11 and partially to the MXXUMX1 Abrams, German Leopard-2 and Russian T-2 in terms of the main tactical and technical characteristics and combat capabilities.

These tanks are created by synthesizing units copied from Russian, German and American cars. They have a combat weight of 50 t, are equipped with a diesel engine created on the basis of the German WD396, power 1200 hp, able to reach a maximum speed of 65 km / h, and the cruising range reaches 600 km. The tank has a computerized fire control system with an integrated laser range finder.

Cannons -. Stabilized in two planes smoothbore gun with automatic loader having a rate 6-8 rounds per minute and the firing range of armored targets to 3000 m Ammunition includes 42 shot with armor-piercing (armor at rates on 2000 m distance - up 630 mm ), cumulative (armor penetration to 800 mm) and high-explosive fragmentation projectiles. Can be used tank UR. There are 7,62-mm and 12,7-mm machine guns.

The tank is equipped with a laser protection system. It is installed on the roof of the tower. The sensors of the system detect the laser irradiation of sighting devices of anti-tank weapons, and it gives the command to rotate the turret towards the source of radiation, its own onboard laser disables optical instruments and affects the organs of vision of the operator of the anti-tank complex.

AND MODERNIZE ALSO


Simultaneously with the introduction of various modifications of the Type-96 and Type-99 tanks in China to the Armed Forces of the PLA, their deep modernization is being accelerated at an accelerated pace. In particular, at the final stage, work is underway to create a practically new combat vehicle under the designation Type-99 of the main battle tank under the designation Type-99А2. According to some reports, the main battle tank of this type will have an 140-mm smoothbore gun, which, when fired with armored-piercing fired projectiles (BOPS) with a uranium core, as well as Russian-made anti-tank missiles, can penetrate the frontal armor of all modern tanks, including the latest versions of the American tank "Abrams" M1A2.

The Type-99А2 tank with the 125-mm gun has already entered the trial operation of the PLA Ground Forces. One of the differences of the tank of this modification from the base sample is the presence of a large number of dynamic protection panels, which are installed on the front and side of the tower. The armor covered by such panels of dynamic protection significantly increases the survivability of the combat vehicle when advanced armor-piercing projectiles of increased power are injected into it. The Type-99А2 tank is supposed to have a new active protection system installed. To combat aerodynamic goals, he will receive a new 14,5-mm machine gun. The tank has a new, more sophisticated and reliable automatic loader. Compared to the base model, it has a larger tower by increasing the thickness of its frontal armor, a reinforced chassis capable of withstanding the effects of anti-tank mines.

It can be stated that at the present stage, in terms of development, Chinese tank builders, if they did not catch up, then came very close to the advanced countries in scientific, technical and technological terms - to manufacturers of armored vehicles. Step by step, they are confidently reducing their lag in the production technology of MBT and armored combat vehicles.
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  1. Magic archer 17 October 2015 06: 40 New
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    For a long time, the Chinese went to create their tank! In ZVO in 2000x there was an interesting article about Chinese tanks. Just from the beginning they just copied it, and then they began to make their changes (Western-made suo, engines). But the quality of the equipment made by the Chinese can be said separately. It was just disgusting. I don’t know what it is now, but the events at the tank biathlon, where they changed a broken tank, make you think
    1. Max_Bauder 17 October 2015 10: 35 New
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      The fact that they began as early as 1650 when the Manchus came to power did not fight with anyone, and after the 45th, they entered into conflict twice and received two faces each time. First, from advice in Daman, then in Vietnam at 79m.
      There is a crowd - there is no spirit. It’s one thing to do the teaching, another thing next to it is the shell laying and bullets past the ears whistling, and the enemy is running towards you, try not to run away and not to lay. There is such a thing as a gene that is passed down from generation to generation, if your ancestors peasant farm laborers all your life, then you are unlikely to make a noble warrior, your ancestors always fought, then at least be a school teacher, but the gene in the army will make you remember the past.
      Somehow I read the news that recently, during long exercises held underground, whether for a week or two, the Chinese soldiers were depressed, and so that their morale would not bring them singers to sing, it was explained by the fact that because of the law on one child, many families in China raise only one son, they all pamper him, then when he enters the army, he has to endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service.
      1. Azitral 17 October 2015 11: 06 New
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        You tell the Japanese. And, especially, MacArthur, who was terribly beaten during the Korean company by the Chinese. And your thesis about “not fighting” is especially surprising: from 1933 to 1949 they did nothing else. There are no cowardly nations; they do not survive.
        1. igorka357 17 October 2015 11: 59 New
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          Well, like yapi ... the Chinese did not get sickly in the 39th fellow , or am I mistaken dear .. belay ? Maybe a little history to learn to go, and? Do not tell the great Chinese offensive operations, can you call the enemy defeated by China, by God teach history, or even 16 years of war, and even silence about it wassat !
          1. mvg
            mvg 17 October 2015 16: 40 New
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            The Indians were tortured, but I can’t do it ... 62 years, sort of .. Minus 2-3 divisions out of 15
          2. kumaxa 18 October 2015 12: 32 New
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            the essence is that great offensive operations can be carried out only by the army of a centralized state. then China was not such a state! but was a fragmented country. and, horrified, the communist idea and propaganda helped them unite again into a single nation. Well, plus the winner’s army. adolfus ilzovich. So my grandfather drove from Berlin to Pyongyang on a mare. And I apologize to everyone I can offend. he is a Siberian crest. by the name of CHUKHREI by the name of MIKHAIL, a native of the village of KOTKOVO. TOMSK PROVINCE.
        2. excomandante 17 October 2015 15: 28 New
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          Well, yes, "when the Poles took Berlin, the Russians helped them a little." But the Koreans and ours (advisers and pilots) have nothing to do with it? Can you hear the name of at least one battle won by the Chinese themselves against the army of another state? It is the Chinese?
        3. kumaxa 18 October 2015 12: 21 New
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          surely the japa vans then set up right now the mattresses of the Syrian people.
      2. excomandante 17 October 2015 15: 26 New
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        With all due respect to the great and ancient Chinese civilization, there are no fighters from the Chinese. Always from time immemorial, they were beaten by everyone who is not lazy. It’s another matter that any conquerors in China dissolved very quickly - there are too many people, you don’t assimilate, only you assimilate yourself. During the colonial wars, a hundred British-Germans-Russians dispersed thousands and tens of thousands of Chinese soldiers without any problems. Already in the memory of our generation, in 1979 the Vietnamese border guards, hundreds of times smaller in numbers, successfully restrained Chinese aggression. (Whoever does not know - the Vietnamese army did not participate in repelling the attack - only the frontier troops). China suffered enormous civilian casualties in World War II, but the main reason was that the Chinese army mostly escaped from the Japanese without a fight, and if, reluctantly, it fought, then it necessarily lost. And the Japanese, known for their frantic sadism, slaughtered the defenseless population in full measure. Yes, since 1931, China fought with Japan alone, but only retreated and lost, it is difficult to call this a heroic struggle. You can’t even lie that China destroyed and crushed the Japanese army - the losses of the Japanese were minimal. The power of China lies in the innumerable population, and not in the strength of the army.
        1. Phantom Revolution 17 October 2015 20: 15 New
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          Quote: excomandante
          Yes, with 1931, China fought with Japan alone, but only retreated and lost, it is difficult to call this a heroic struggle. You can’t even lie that China destroyed and crushed the Japanese army - the losses of the Japanese were minimal. The power of China lies in the innumerable population, and not in the strength of the army.

          What weapons did China have in those years? And history is not always a constant thing.
          We lost the Russo-Japanese War, then won the Second World War.
          At the moment, China, although not very high-quality products, is quickly catching up with the rest. Alas, quality is not always a guarantee of victory, mass plays an important role, and China is making progress.
          A tank biathlon is also not an indicator, it all depends on the fighters, well, the victory in a battle depends on the one who goes the fastest, take the same mass, well, the 3 of a tank from 10 will break, this is not critical for China, well, it’s not so with us rosy and all have equipment breakdowns. And the model of the tank was not the last one brought.
          1. Alf
            Alf 17 October 2015 21: 51 New
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            Quote: Phantom Revolution
            And the model of the tank was not the last one brought.

            But who prevented them from bringing Type-99 to bring? In terms of participation, it was written in Russian in white, Each country acts on the tank that it sees fit. At the 14 biathlon, the Chinese have run into a liquid with the constant breakdowns of the 96. Then they were indignant, they say, you had 72, and we only had 96. Our them pointed to the above paragraph. The narrow-eyed shut up. This time they arrived at the same 96 with the same quality. This can only indicate that the 99 is an extremely unfinished machine.
            1. Phantom Revolution 18 October 2015 07: 53 New
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              Quote: Alf
              But who prevented them from bringing Type-99 to bring? In terms of participation, it was written in Russian in white, Each country acts on the tank that it sees fit. At the 14 biathlon, the Chinese have run into a liquid with the constant breakdowns of the 96. Then they were indignant, they say, you had 72, and we only had 96. Our them pointed to the above paragraph. The narrow-eyed shut up. This time they arrived at the same 96 with the same quality. This can only indicate that the 99 is an extremely unfinished machine.

              Well, apparently, for a number of reasons, they didn’t set Type-99, starting from secrecy (that's why we don’t put t-90 or Armata), ending with prestige (if it crashed, including ours we don’t put the latest versions of tank building, and then we lose to the Chinese or the same t-72BZ). In biathlon, and we did not have any emergency situations? The tank died out, the tank turned upside down, etc., but all kinds of equipment can break down or fail.
              If I’m not mistaken, ours lost to the Chinese in an artillery contest, this is already a bell ......
        2. Kasym 17 October 2015 20: 40 New
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          From the history of China it follows that they invaded foreign (neighboring) countries when their nationals were threatened. interests.
          Vietnam. Rapprochement with the USSR.
          Korea. Rapprochement with the USA.
          CA. (1756-1758gg). Rapprochement with Russia and entry into the empire. By the way, the leader of the united Kazakh army was Bogenbai Batyr (he participated in over a hundred battles, did not lose a single one, became famous in the war against the Dzungars).
          etc..
          And they cared little about the outside world. But the world has globalized. And it’s good that our politicians interact normally. JOS (as the Chinese say, fate).
          I'm interested in it. How long will the Chinese be neutral? When will they start loudly declaring themselves? hi
      3. kumaxa 18 October 2015 12: 20 New
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        well! wax the dndr great help.
      4. voyaka uh 18 October 2015 12: 36 New
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        The country's military successes are always closely linked to economic ones.
        With industrialization and modern technology.
        And China's economic success over the past 25 years
        phenomenal. Number 2 in the world. Accordingly, the military
        industry is not far behind. They are now putting up for sale the entire line
        military equipment of the last generations for all branches of the army.
        And their army is equipped very modernly.
  2. alekc73 17 October 2015 06: 47 New
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    The Chinese brag and forget, their tank industry was created from scratch by the USSR. All modern Chinese tanks went from the T-54. True, the students surpassed the teachers in some ways.
  3. Professor 17 October 2015 07: 24 New
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    As of the beginning of 2015, the PLA was armed with approximately 6540 medium and main battle tanks (MBT).
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    In addition, the Chinese army has 750 light tanks
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    as well as 200 reconnaissance tanks Type-009 (ZTL-09).

    I wonder against whom China created such a fist? Against the island of Taiwan, America overseas or India separated by the Himalayas?
    1. Bongo 17 October 2015 07: 36 New
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      Quote: Professor
      I wonder against whom China created such a fist?

      Oleg, you might think that you are "not in the know"? smile Against the same on whom the majority of the DF-21 BRDS is aimed. True, the "junkie" is not aware.
      1. Professor 17 October 2015 07: 37 New
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        Oleg, you might think that you are "not in the know"?

        Against Mongolia? How did I forget about her? fool
        1. GRAY 17 October 2015 07: 39 New
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          Quote: Professor
          Against Mongolia? How did I forget about her?

          Against Israel.
          1. Professor 17 October 2015 07: 47 New
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            Quote: GRAY
            Do you really know anything about the confrontation between the USSR and China? Damansky Island - doesn’t mean anything?

            I looked at the map. I did not find such a country of the USSR. On its part is the country of Russia, but it seems to be an ally of China ...

            Quote: GRAY
            Against Israel.

            Between China and Israel there is an obstacle that cannot be overcome for tanks ... bearded militias. wassat
            1. GRAY 17 October 2015 09: 06 New
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              Quote: Professor
              I looked at the map. I did not find such a country of the USSR.

              And now look at the years of production of the Type-59, then there was no such country - the Russian Federation.
              Quote: Professor
              Between China and Israel there is an obstacle that cannot be overcome for tanks ... bearded militias.

              From the sea too? smile
              1. Professor 17 October 2015 09: 28 New
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                Quote: GRAY
                And now look at the years of production of the Type-59, then there was no such country - the Russian Federation.

                We do not look when it was produced, we look what now in service.

                Quote: GRAY
                From the sea too?

                She ... the strait will not pass. Get stuck. wink

                Quote: DesToeR
                how about vietnam?

                request

                Quote: Vais
                This is a fist made of clay and generally suitable only for window dressing. At worst for defense. So there is no need to frighten us)))

                Why should I scare you? China is your ally.
                1. GRAY 17 October 2015 09: 48 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  She ... the strait will not pass. Get stuck.

                  That's right.
                2. Forest 17 October 2015 14: 36 New
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                  China is not an ally, but a geopolitical partner. Each in itself, but there is a country against which you can be friends together.
            2. Slobber 17 October 2015 10: 43 New
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              an obstacle ... bearded militias

              Ten out of ten, now I will poison this Hochma constantly! laughing
            3. dmi.pris 18 October 2015 11: 43 New
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              For the sake of Israel, they will miss this armada (a joke of course)
              Quote: Professor
              Quote: GRAY
              Do you really know anything about the confrontation between the USSR and China? Damansky Island - doesn’t mean anything?

              I looked at the map. I did not find such a country of the USSR. On its part is the country of Russia, but it seems to be an ally of China ...

              Quote: GRAY
              Against Israel.

              Between China and Israel there is an obstacle that cannot be overcome for tanks ... bearded militias. wassat
          2. svp67 17 October 2015 11: 40 New
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            Quote: GRAY
            Against Israel.

            So far, rather against the interests of Israel in Africa ...
        2. Bongo 17 October 2015 07: 39 New
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          Quote: Professor
          Against Mongolia? How did I forget about her?

          Quote: GRAY
          Against Israel.

          laughing good
        3. GRAY 17 October 2015 07: 41 New
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          Quote: Professor
          Against Mongolia? How did I forget about her?

          Do you really know anything about the confrontation between the USSR and China? Damansky Island - doesn’t mean anything?
          And he put on his hat ... professor ...
          1. viktor_ui 17 October 2015 08: 04 New
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            GRAY - Nope, the word Damansky doesn’t say anything, the current is where the latest Chinese tank was stolen from us and Brezhnev has all the complaints about it. And with tanks they are driving away the directions of future highways ... straining them with skating rinks, so they are rolling with what they can from hopelessness. And how did you see the professor’s hat?
            1. GRAY 17 October 2015 09: 09 New
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              Quote: viktor_ui
              And how did you see the professor’s hat?

              Empirically.
      2. svp67 17 October 2015 11: 39 New
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        Quote: Bongo
        . True, the "junkie" is not aware.

        And from Israel, this of course is clearly visible ...
        Do not make me laugh. Russia is well aware of the complexity of the situation. And China needs tanks not only against us, as you and the Professor are hinting at. Nearby, China has India and Vietnam, with which it already converged in battle, in the second half of the last century, as well as Japan, and every year there are more and more territories where China can use its troops These are the disputed islands with Japan and some countries in Africa. Not for nothing that they have now focused on the accelerated construction and development of the ocean fleet, as well as the creation of modern aviation.
      3. Themi30 17 October 2015 11: 46 New
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        Bongo
        Professor
        According to such clumsy logic, it begins to seem that you are the heroes of comics - wooden people. Americans tanks to attack Canada? Will the Japanese attack themselves? you can continue for a long time noo, 35 million Chinese died by chance, is it because a hundred were not a normal army? 6 thousand tanks is a lot? ahaha ... You are very similar to - quack (as a counterbalance to the quack)
    2. shonsu 17 October 2015 09: 07 New
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      and our 18000 tanks against whom? and the United States against whom are they building tanks? and why does India buy ours? and Japan? and vietnam? and myanmar? ask stupid questions. do not be like timid balts. China has enough problems without us.
    3. PSih2097 17 October 2015 12: 30 New
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      Quote: Professor
      I wonder against whom China created such a fist? Against the island of Taiwan, America overseas or India separated by the Himalayas?

      if you look at the map, as well as the list of territorial claims of China ...

      SOUTH. Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, northern India - as illegally seized parts of the empire.
      Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore - as the territory of former vassals.
      WEST. Both Koreas are like illegally seized parts of an empire.
      Ryukyu Islands, all the islands of the South China, East China and Yellow Seas - as part of Chinese territory.
      EAST. Kyrgyzstan - since part of the Kyrgyz tribes were part of East Turkestan, conquered by the CIN empire, and part of the Kyrgyz manapas sent embassies to the court of the Qing dynasty in the middle of the XNUMXth century.
      Kazakhstan is east of the Aral Sea, including Alma-Ata - as part of the territories of the Tang and Western Liao empires, as well as the territory of the Dzungarian Khanate conquered by China.
      Badahwan, Afghanistan - as an illegally seized part of an empire.
      NORTH. Mongolia - as an illegally torn away part of the empire.
      Transbaikalia and the south of the Far East right up to Okhotsk - as part of the empires of Zhen-Bohai, Tan, Aisin-Jin, as well as populated by peoples related to the Manchus, as torn away from China under unequal treaties with the Russian Empire.

      1. ALEA IACTA EST 17 October 2015 21: 45 New
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        Seem west and east a bit confused ... lol
  4. lilian 17 October 2015 08: 08 New
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    If China is not an ally of Russia, or following the logic of some, a potential enemy of Russia, is there at least one country on the globe that would not be a potential enemy?

    Well, except perhaps Belarus, which can hardly be called a friendly country, since it can be said a kindred country.

    There was a conflict in Damansky, but Khrushchev was to some extent guilty.
    1. victor 17 October 2015 11: 02 New
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      Ukraine was also kindred ... But generations have grown ... of relatives who do not remember kinship ...
    2. Max_Bauder 17 October 2015 17: 07 New
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      as the two bulls say they don’t get along in one herd, the conclusion also logically suggests that the stronger the state, the hostile the same strong state as it is, and how do you think that two strong ones will be friends against other weaklings? there is always ambition, now America is the common enemy, therefore, China is friends, as soon as or better to say IF it doesn’t, then China will dig land against Russia, it’s like that, whether you build yourself an illusion or not.
      Or another example, if you misunderstood, the king / king / emperor is killed by the one who most after him can take the throne.

      PySy. Do you think Americans versus Russians do all THIS just because of personal hostility? Russophobian? no matter how, if you don’t become Russia, say if the EBN were divided by autonomy at 98m, now all this info and a flexible US war would be made in relation to China? and why? Yes, because it is a strong state that can interfere, and not wimps, it’s clear as God's day. The last example, you came to a class newcomer, who needs to be broken so that others are afraid? correctly the strongest among them, then the rest will run themselves. China is strong, therefore dangerous, will be weak, and it will cease to think bad thoughts as it has been for centuries. China itself is a slave to its capabilities and it is readable.
  5. DesToeR 17 October 2015 08: 26 New
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    Quote: Professor
    I wonder against whom China created such a fist?

    how about vietnam?
  6. Zaurbek 17 October 2015 08: 51 New
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    A tank armada is not done in 2 years, in 60-70-80 the USSR was considered as an adversary of China, plus North Korea, an ally of China, is nearby. Both Koreas are at war. The largest US military bases are located in Japan and South Korea. Thailand is also an ally of the United States and has military bases. And why do you think China needs tanks? There are many dangers without Israel.
  7. GRAY 17 October 2015 09: 19 New
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    GRAY - Nope, Daman’s word doesn’t say anything,

    What about Zhenbao? laughing
  8. Vais 17 October 2015 09: 20 New
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    Quote: Professor
    As of the beginning of 2015, the PLA was armed with approximately 6540 medium and main battle tanks (MBT).
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    In addition, the Chinese army has 750 light tanks
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    as well as 200 reconnaissance tanks Type-009 (ZTL-09).

    I wonder against whom China created such a fist? Against the island of Taiwan, America overseas or India separated by the Himalayas?

    This is a fist made of clay and generally suitable only for window dressing. At worst for defense. So there is no need to frighten us)))
  9. Vais 17 October 2015 09: 27 New
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    The Chinese army is hopelessly behind us. They almost caught up with us in the late 90s, but the terrier is behind us again.
    1. van zai 17 October 2015 10: 57 New
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      From this place please in more detail. If you are talking about the latest developments, yes, there is one. If the pace of upgrading weapons, then this is another question: who is behind.
    2. victor 17 October 2015 11: 05 New
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      Yeah, their caps, caps!
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      At the end of the 70s, the Chinese army was formed by competition, as in our Baunmanovka, their special forces group, the Tigers, were selected from VO according to the same system. The moose was able to cover up to 80 sq.m. per day, from 40ka kg. the payload was behind .... and were shod in sneakers ... and also the signals of the exact time from the other side, to the motive ..... I love you life .... source? As Ostap Bender said: You are not in the church, you will not be deceived
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    1. Vais 17 October 2015 12: 23 New
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      In Vietnam there was not a draw, but the complete defeat of the Chinese, which they, for reasons of prestige, are trying to pass off as a draw.
      Do the Chinese have huge human reserves? And when in what war did it help them?
      Do they have good tanks? Did you drive them yourself? Or seen in battle. Most of their equipment and weapons that are known are junk or base copies. Most of their warriors, whom I had the opportunity to contemplate, made a miserable impression. When did they have the last successful war, when did they even last fight at all? At their last megaparade, both a superweapon and a child prodigy showed a mediocre anti-ship missile by our standards.
      1. mvg
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        In South Sudan, type 96 and T-72 somehow converged ... Somehow the T-72 didn’t succeed .. the types left without loss, leaving 3 pieces of T-72 on the field
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          Quote: mvg
          In South Sudan, type 96 and T-72 somehow converged ... Somehow the T-72 didn’t succeed .. the types left without loss, leaving 3 pieces of T-72 on the field

          Indiscreet question-And who drove 72? Are local monkeys shorn? So give them at least Armata, the result will be the same.
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          In South Sudan, type 96 and T-72 somehow converged ... Somehow, the T-72 failed

          That's it .. right away there was a thought about the most important laying .. and not one laughing

          Cars are something like not a twist - one level ...
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            that is, type 96 of the 97th year of production and the t-72m1 82go are machines of the same level?
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        Yes, yes, that’s how it was ... tell, tell ..
  11. Vais 17 October 2015 12: 28 New
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    Yeah, their caps, caps!

    Missiles, my dear, missiles. Their tanks are generally of little use in a hypothetical war with Russia.
  12. Victor Wolz 17 October 2015 12: 37 New
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    Gunpowder should always be kept dry, with both enemies and partners. If it weren’t for our nuclear shield, we would be torn apart with great pleasure by the enemies and so-called friends.
  13. Vais 17 October 2015 12: 50 New
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    Quote: Free Wind
    only Chinese henchmen can talk about friendship with China.

    And about the fact that China is our enemy, only Western henchmen can speak, as I noticed.
    1. GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 21: 51 New
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      Quote: Vais
      And about the fact that China is our enemy, only Western henchmen can speak, as I noticed.

      My friend, but about the fact that China is our friend only Chinese henchmen can say, well, just ours, Russian idiots, as I noticed. hi
  14. Peacemaker 17 October 2015 13: 58 New
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    The Chinese decided to make their tank ... And a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino turned out. T72AbramsLeopard. The monster is overseas.
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    interesting report, but where are the pictures? magazines from the beginning of the XNUMXth century have more images ....
  16. gladcu2 17 October 2015 16: 55 New
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    The power reserve is a bit surprising. 700-900 km.

    Hm. What for? And due to what? Do you carry a trailer barrel or do the Chinese sizes have certain advantages?
  17. Vais 17 October 2015 17: 56 New
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    Quote: GRAY
    And now look at the years of production of the Type-59, then there was no such country - the Russian Federation.

    We do not look when it was produced, we look what now in service.

    Quote: GRAY
    From the sea too?

    She ... the strait will not pass. Get stuck. wink

    Quote: DesToeR
    how about vietnam?

    request

    Quote: Vais
    This is a fist made of clay and generally suitable only for window dressing. At worst for defense. So there is no need to frighten us)))

    Why should I scare you? China is your ally.

    Professor, you better tell us why Israel such a tank armada? Who was he going to insidiously attack?
    1. Professor 17 October 2015 18: 39 New
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      Professor, you better tell us why Israel such a tank armada? Who was he going to insidiously attack?

      Which one? Tank production is constantly declining.
  18. sagitta25 17 October 2015 18: 23 New
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    The fact that they began as early as 1650 when the Manchus came to power did not fight with anyone, and after the 45th, they entered into conflict twice and received two faces each time. First, from advice in Daman, then in Vietnam at 79m.

    I remembered how Merkel gave the Chinese the first card) So they twisted on the telly and showed a completely different card on which China grabbed the lands of Russia. China is not a friend IT is an enemy. In the world there are no friends, there are only sharks that will eat and thank you will not say such is life. It is unnecessary to say that China does not know how to fight (They can mobilize 300 million people, and this, by the way, is twice as many as the entire population of Russia. They stupidly throw all their hats. They will make tanks and other weapons on the assembly line in case of war in a huge amount. Why are you always so frivolous about your enemies?
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      China does not have a tank conveyor.
  19. moskowit 17 October 2015 18: 48 New
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    To understand about Chinese tanks, you need to open additionally some sort of “armored site”. Enumeration of types without comparative characteristics with the main tanks of other armies is simply unfounded. Not interesting ...
  20. Sergey-8848 17 October 2015 21: 22 New
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    Directly on the article (if we temporarily distract ourselves from the burning question, what exactly is the PRC and to whom is it the enemy) - such a passage at the very end was noticed: "... Compared to the base model, it has a larger tower by increasing the thickness of its frontal armor ...". This is how to understand - the thicker the armor, the more space in the tower? Designers worked hard and were able, once the CCP and the PLA ordered. This is what the thousand-year-old wisdom of the Chinese people means, combined with the carelessness of the author of the article.
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    Then we had armored armada, the Chinaez had no normal horseradish. Now the Chinas have armored tanks and armies of immigrants to Siberia and the Far East. Well, these Chinese immigrants will feel much calmer and more confident in Russia, knowing that they have such tank power behind them.
  22. Gunther 17 October 2015 23: 50 New
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    I completely agree, China is not our friend, a commercial partner, for the time being.
    Maybe someone does not know, the Chinese are still lurking a grudge against Russia for the suppression of the boxing uprising (Ihetuan rebellion).
    I hope everyone remembers the conflict on Baytak-Bogdo (1947-1948), Damansky (1969) and the border conflict at Lake Zhalanashkol (1969)
  23. Vais 18 October 2015 05: 37 New
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    Quote: Vais
    And about the fact that China is our enemy, only Western henchmen can speak, as I noticed.

    My friend, but about the fact that China is our friend only Chinese henchmen can say, well, just ours, Russian idiots, as I noticed. hi

    I look, objections to the fact that you did not follow the Western henchman, my friend. tongue It is understandable, you have a bad Putin, there is no fascism in Ukraine, and the authorities are liberals for you. All clear with you. These people most of all want to push Russia with China.
    1. GraveBezKresta 18 October 2015 17: 34 New
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      Well, you have a mess in your head. Tie a look at the propaganda of Surkov, Dvorkovich, Medvedev. Actually, my ideal is how it was.
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        But your ideal, apparently -
  24. Peacemaker 18 October 2015 08: 50 New
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    China now takes not so much quality as cheapness and quantity. If you compare their products with what they were 10-15 years ago, now they are great! At one time, South Korea began with the assembly of goods of foreign companies, now they are one of the leaders in mechanical engineering, electronics, etc. Let now some decisions in the desire to combine incompatible, cause doubts, a little time will pass, and their tanks will be comparable in quality, at least with t90. Do not underestimate them. And the fact that they are not doing very well right now is temporary.
  25. albanian 18 October 2015 17: 36 New
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    About the Chinese army and tanks in particular, there is not a bad article.
    http://politrussia.com/vooruzhennye-sily/medved-vs-drakon-397/
    I recommend for general development.
  26. TIO1969 18 October 2015 19: 54 New
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    China not only uses all possible mechanisms and paths in tank building. They do not shy away from “copying”, receiving sources for copying in all ways, sometimes not always legal. Moreover, they grow their designers, form their military-technical school. Precisely, in 7-10 years, Chinese samples will be able to compete with ours. Most likely, somewhere in the Chinese design bureaus they thoroughly study photos and all other information on Armata ...
    And as a competitor in the "cheap" markets (Asia, Africa), is now seriously advancing and can not be ignored
  27. Vais 18 October 2015 19: 58 New
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    Quote: Grave without Cross
    Well, you have a mess in your head. Tie a look at the propaganda of Surkov, Dvorkovich, Medvedev. Actually, my ideal is how it was.

    Whom are you trying to trick, bullshit? Here is your ideal:
  28. Vais 18 October 2015 20: 00 New
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    Tie watch Surkov’s propaganda

    And here is a little “Surkov’s propaganda”:
  29. Vais 18 October 2015 20: 06 New
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    Quote: TIO1969
    China not only uses all possible mechanisms and paths in tank building. They do not shy away from “copying”, receiving sources for copying in all ways, sometimes not always legal. Moreover, they grow their designers, form their military-technical school. Precisely, in 7-10 years, Chinese samples will be able to compete with ours. Most likely, somewhere in the Chinese design bureaus they thoroughly study photos and all other information on Armata ...
    And as a competitor in the "cheap" markets (Asia, Africa), is now seriously advancing and can not be ignored

    The Chinese, unlike the Japanese and Koreans, make only low-quality copies, far from the original. Almost all of their previous tanks are licked from Soviet models, only much worse. They often bought Russian equipment, dismantled them in cogs, tried to repeat, but nothing worked.
  30. GraveBezKresta 18 October 2015 20: 29 New
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    Predictions about the war with China
    Elder Vissarion (Optina of the Deserts):
    In Russia, something like a coup d'etat will happen. In the same year, the Chinese will attack. They will reach the Urals. Then there will be a unification of the Russians according to the Orthodox principle.
    Schiarchimandrite Serafim (Tyapochkin) of Rakitnoy so predicts the future development of events in Russia (1977)
    During the memorable conversation, a young woman from a Siberian city was present. Her elder said: "You will accept a martyrdom at the hands of the Chinese in the stadium of your city, where they will drive Christian residents and those who disagree with their rule." This was an answer to her doubt about the elder's words that almost all of Siberia would be captured by the Chinese. The elder claimed that the future of Russia was revealed to him, he did not name the dates, he only emphasized that the time of completion of what was said was in the hands of God, and much depended on how the spiritual life of the Russian Church would develop, how strong faith in God would be for Russian people, what will be the prayer feat of believers. The elder said that the collapse of Russia, despite the apparent strength and rigidity of power, will happen very quickly. First, the Slavic peoples will be divided, then the union republics: the Baltic, Central Asian, Caucasian and Moldavia will fall away. After this, the central authority in Russia will weaken even more, so that the autonomous republics and regions begin to separate. Further there will be even greater collapse: the authorities of the Center will no longer actually recognize individual regions that will try to live independently, and will no longer pay attention to decrees from Moscow.
    The biggest tragedy will be the capture of Siberia by China. This will not happen by military means: as a result of the weakening of power and open borders, the Chinese will masses move to Siberia, buy real estate, enterprises, apartments. Through bribery, intimidation, contracts with those in power, they gradually subjugate the economic life of cities. Everything will happen so that one morning the Russian people living in Siberia will wake up ... in the Chinese state. The fate of those who remain there will be tragic, but not hopeless. The Chinese brutally crack down on all attempts at resistance. (Therefore, the elder predicted martyrdom at the stadium of the Siberian city of many Orthodox and patriots of the Motherland.) The West will contribute to this creeping conquest of our land and will in every way support the military and economic power of China from hatred of Russia. But then they will see a danger for themselves, and when the Chinese try to seize the Urals by military force and move on, they will by all means prevent this and may even help Russia in repelling the invasion from the East.
    Scheme of Makaria Artemyeva (1926-1993)
    The Chinese are worse for us. The Chinese are very evil, they will cut without mercy. They will take half the land, they don’t need anything else. They do not have enough land (27.06.88/XNUMX/XNUMX).
    The predictions of the elder Vladislav Solnechnogorsk say
    When China goes to us, then there will be war. But after the Chinese conquer the city of Chelyabinsk, the Lord will convert them to Orthodoxy.
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    As the Chinese brazenly stole blueprints from the Americans f35 drawings, I won’t be surprised if they already consider the armata drawings with a magnifying glass.