Who wants to fight with us now?

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Last Sunday, referring to its own source in the British military, the London Daily Star Sunday reported that NATO pilots and British pilots flying multi-purpose Tornado fighters were entitled to attack military planes in Iraqi airspace Russia. If such a statement were made personally by the head of the British Ministry of Defense, Michael Fallon, then he probably could have been taken at face value. But since the information came from a "own source", it immediately became clear that this is most likely a propaganda fake or a primitive newspaper provocation. Moreover, it appeared at the very moment when, in the occupied Baghdad occupied by NATO members, it would be nice if Russian planes “processed” the positions of the “Islamic state” in their territory.

As far as is known, Moscow is not going to expand the air operation in the Middle East. But if such a decision were made, someone from the Daily Star Sunday would ask British military aviators if they were ready to fight with our Su-30CM on their Tornado?

Back in 2006, during the British-Indian exercise Indra Dhanush, Su-30МКИ (similar to Su-30СМ) conducted a series of training battles with the Tornado F. interceptor fighter. Mk. 3, in service with the Royal Air Force. According to the confessions of the British pilots themselves, who were given the opportunity to practice in piloting, the "drying" is significantly superior to the machines on which they had to fly. And although since that time Tornado has been modernized, Su-30CM is also far from Su-30MKI, but its more modern version, significantly improved and improved. A worthy opponent for him can be unless the American F-22 Raptor. And not in all cases, because, for example, the F-22 airborne radar, as it became known (see “NVO” from 21.08.15), is very far from perfect.

However, the “air battle for the Middle East,” so famously declared by the Daily Star Sunday, was never to be. The very next day, the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense officially announced that the information spread by the tabloid was completely untrue. Who would doubt that?..

Moreover. Now the Pentagon, without whose command not only an airplane, but not a single NATO field kitchen will budge, seems to agree to coordinate with the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding security in the Middle East. Although at first the Americans also wandered and hinted at some "retaliatory measures." Everything changed on October 7, when the ships of the Caspian flotilla from a distance of 1,5 thousand km, 26 launches of the Caliber-NK sea-based cruise missiles were launched at the facilities of the Islamic State group (prohibited by Russian law) in Syria.

OTHER "SHOCK AND TABLE"

Americans love to give pathetic names to their guidance documents. Exactly so - “Shock and Awe” - the US military doctrine was first called for in Iraq. For Saddam Hussein, everything ended badly, but now the Americans themselves are in some perplexity. The fact is that high-precision strikes of the Russian aviation the positions of the Islamic State and the particularly integrated Caliber-NK missile system made an indelible impression on Washington.

So strong that the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, moved from the language of international communication to a language that was not accepted in diplomacy, and the US Congress began to find out how it happened that their “world's best intelligence” overlooked everything. Moreover, she overlooked not only the concentration of forces and means of the Russian VKS (Aerospace Forces) in Syria, but also did not know that Russia had cruise missiles with a long range, although talks about the fact that Russian rocket science does not stand still. from time to time appeared in the western press.

What can I say? Firstly, as Vladimir Putin said in a recent interview with Vesti, foreign intelligence doesn’t have to know everything. Secondly, the Americans, as far as can be judged, have been driven by arrogance, brought to the point of exclusivity, as well as political engagement. It was beneficial for Washington to support the view that Russia, no matter how hard it resisted, lagged behind the civilized world forever and no longer has the means or the ability to claim a significant role in the world order, and its defense industrial complex is not capable of anything . Even the appearance at the Victory Parade in Moscow "Armata", which was made at Uralvagonzavod in just two years from scratch, even though it alarmed our foreign colleagues, but by and large didn’t affect well-established opinion.

The Caliber missile system, which is exported under the symbol Club, has a curious fate. For the first time, the 3М-14Е rocket (export version) developed for this complex was shown at the Russian Expo Arms in Nizhny Tagil back in the 2004 year. But then among her more famous sister missiles, she somehow got lost and did not make a big impression.

In the same year, 3М-14Э was shown at Defexpo India, and two years later the Indian Navy purchased 28 missiles for their surface ships and submarines. As the Club-S behaved in operation (submarine version, launch is done through a torpedo tube), there is no information. But the frigates of the Indian Navy shot out with complexes that seemed to be very bad. And as usually happens in such cases, reproaches were sent to the country of origin. But now it is clear that the matter is not in “Calibre”, it’s the Club, namely in the hands - after the 7 of October 2015, the integrated Caliber-NK missile system no longer needs advertising. And if the first number in the family of cruise missiles of this class was considered to be American Tomahawk, now its star, if not rolled, has dimmed in many ways.

Here it is necessary to clarify. If the export version of 3М-14 beats on 300 km, then adopted in Russia - on 2600 km. In normal equipment - this is 450 kg of explosive. With a nuclear warhead that is obviously lighter, the 3M-14 flies significantly further. Someone calls the order of numbers in 4 thousand. Km, others - in 5 thousand. Km. But there is no exact information, as for obvious reasons they are classified. And God forbid to promulgate them in a practical way! ..

Nevertheless, Caliber-NK has already had a noticeable impact on the geopolitical situation - in general, and in particular in the Mediterranean. In fact, it has been proved that Russia, even without fully restoring its Mediterranean squadron, is now able to provide effective resistance to the US 6 fleet, which for a quarter of a century considered these waters to be something of a resort zone.

Judge for yourself. In the Caspian, three small rocket ships of the 21 631 “Buyan-M” project (Sviyazhsk, Uglich, Velikiy Ustyug) and the patrol ship of the 11 661 “Dagestan” project are equipped with the Caliber-NK complex. In the Black Sea, such IRCs have so far two - Serpukhov and Zeleny Dol, plus a diesel submarine of the 636.3 Novorossiysk project, also armed with Caliber. Comments are probably superfluous, suffice it to note: if the 3М-14 is equipped with a special warhead, then you can work directly from the berthing wall of Sevastopol at the targets located at the Pillars of Hercules.

But who said that the current launch range of the Caliber-NK is the limit? Today, our military-industrial complex is not as miserable as it was yesterday, and the technical thought does not stand still. If you can improve the performance of the engine and fuel, reduce the weight parameters of the "electronic brains", who knows how far the 3M-14 will fly ...

In general, today the Americans led by Barack Obama were about the same situation as the Hitler generals in 1941, for whom the T-34 tank, the Katusha MLRS, the Soviet artillery, etc., were a big surprise.

UNDER AMERICAN UMBRELLA

Who wants to fight with us now?

[i] [center] The ships of the Caspian Flotilla attacked the positions of the Islamists in Syria 26 with cruise missiles. Shot from the official video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

As already noted, “Caliber-NK” struck not only the objects of the Islamists in Syria, but also touched upon the tangential ambitions of the White House, accustomed to the role of managing director of the entire globe. The world literally froze in anticipation of a response from Washington. And after the scandalous statement by the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, in which it sounded that Russia, they say, "continues to wrap itself in an insulating shroud" from Kamchatka to the Baltic, many have the feeling that the matter is taking a serious turn. It is clear that, referring to the "shroud", the main American commander had in mind not only economic sanctions.

However, very soon, Washington slowed down to the statement of its intention to supply "its children" in Syria and Iraq with air defense weapons and other weapons. No wonder: with the enemy, who has the ability to give a decent answer, the Americans have always preferred to fight with someone else's hands. Even North Korea, which either has a carrier capable of delivering a warhead to American territory, or not, is a bluff from Comrade Kim Jong-un, trying to get round.

The only exception when the Americans are faced with a standing enemy, and then as part of a coalition - World War II. Moreover, it remains to be seen how the battle in the Ardennes would end for them if Stalin, at the request of Churchill, did not hasten the start of the East Prussian offensive operation. In addition, Werner von Braun didn’t manage to bring the V-1945 to 2 to such a state that she was able to fly over the ocean. Today, the situation is completely different, and it’s not at all a fact that the Americans are not expecting the same “surprise” with our strategic missiles as with the Caliber-NK missile system. But they were warned: the response to the expansion of NATO to the east and the deployment of a global missile defense system at our borders will be symmetrical!

And here's another noteworthy. Until the last moment the Americans behaved quite decently (after all, a great country!), Then their allies in the Atlantic bloc, especially the newly minted, often acted as instigators. Then defiantly they will begin to dig anti-tank ditches around the perimeter of their borders, then with barbed wire and Bruno's spirals to fence themselves, hinting that, they say, Russia will attack America from day to day and it would be nice for America to strike a preemptive strike ... But in recent days they have also silenced something. Even the commander-in-chief of the Lithuanian Armed Forces, Dalia Grybauskaite, who, while the American military umbrella was considered infinitely reliable, repeatedly called for Drang nach Osten to repeat, she keeps her mouth shut. Probably, he understands: no matter how much you place your allied troops on your territory, how many shrouds your shroud from NATO bases around Russia, there are no guarantees against a crushing response.

It must be assumed that he seriously thought about the real benefits of American military patronage and the rest of the Old World. And it’s not that in the capitals of Europe they didn’t understand before that, by deploying American military bases, including those with a nuclear arsenal, they automatically become targets themselves. Of course, understood. But this awareness was somehow virtual, or something, devoid of material and technical content. Now, after demonstrating the capabilities of the Caliber-NK missile system, it is not difficult to make up ideas about what one of the possible asymmetric answers of the Russian side can be. Let's face it: depressing!

So draw conclusions, gentlemen! There are only two options: either continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit at a round table and agree, for example, on lowering the threshold of opposition, on withdrawing the American and NATO structures from our borders and generally on international relations. Moreover, not so long ago we managed to find a common language.
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  1. +59
    17 October 2015 06: 03
    Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names ... American umbrella, shock and awe !!! and pressed a little, right into the bushes. Just mess up much.
    1. +51
      17 October 2015 06: 27
      The Americans were once again convinced that Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!
      1. +28
        17 October 2015 08: 58
        Quote: Bone
        Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!

        what could be one of the possible asymmetric responses of the Russian side. Let's face it: depressing!

        The author is well done! But I would correct a little:
        the answer will also be * tricky *!
        1. +14
          17 October 2015 10: 08
          God forbid, but if - then these "boxes" will not be sent to anyone and where, all the more there will be no one to greet them and mourn.
        2. +23
          17 October 2015 11: 05
          Here in the photo you can clearly see why they are called mattresses.
          1. +14
            17 October 2015 11: 20
            Quote: Konstantin 121
            Here in the photo you can clearly see why they are called mattresses.

            This is the American oil industry returning home.
            1. +16
              17 October 2015 14: 19
              I agree with the author, the volley was very successful, he slightly overwhelmed the Americans, not quite, but overwhelmed him. But I do not agree with the author about his positive assessment of Stalin's activities in assisting the Allies in the Ardennes. I think you should not lay down the lives of our soldiers, for the sake of the lives of strangers. My opinion is, the more Germans would fill them, the easier they behaved in our time.
        3. +20
          17 October 2015 16: 57
          american umbrella for geyropa

      2. +17
        17 October 2015 12: 48
        And who will not give offense ?! Syria, Cuba - yes! And in gayrope (except for Belarus) there is no one to give offense! Traitors and defectors are hanged, not protected! Come on, Geyropu from the onslaught of the East and Africa, their "big uncle" - the Americans are saving! And Russia from the outside will see how it will look!
        1. +2
          19 October 2015 08: 32
          Quote: nnz226
          And who will not give offense ?! Syria, Cuba - yes! And in gayrope (except for Belarus) there is no one to give offense! Traitors and defectors are hanged, not protected! Come on, Geyropu from the onslaught of the East and Africa, their "big uncle" - the Americans are saving! And Russia from the outside will see how it will look!

          In general, it is true, but we have much more real allies. Not only Belarus, but all the former republics of the USSR, with the exception, of course, of the Baltic states, which are clearly unfriendly, and of Ukraine (although it’s debatable. The people are native, but duped), Moldova partially, but there, it seems to me, something can be fixed. But before Cuba, we really are to blame. This must be urgently corrected. We are not to blame for North Africa, but we also urgently need to fix it. What we do.
      3. +5
        17 October 2015 20: 50
        Someone there said that Russia is a regional power .... Is it in the United States?
        1. +5
          18 October 2015 10: 05
          Dimka999,
          And I would not argue that Russia is a "regional power". The sailors pressed the button and the Middle East region became more friendly. And there, what the hell is not kidding, and the region of Europe will become more loyal. We don't need much, just for the neighbors in our region to behave decently, from Gibraltar to the Bering Strait and from the North Cape to Johannesburg.
          1. +2
            19 October 2015 08: 37
            Don't argue. Does the term "regional power" offend you? So the enemies want to humiliate us on purpose. On the fence, too, a lot of things are written ... Deeds need to be proved, and from far away any nasty boy can tease, well, do dirty tricks on the sly. Than leprikonoamericons and crap to us. In general, America is mired in pride and other sins ...
        2. +3
          19 October 2015 10: 06
          Of course - regional.
          After all, Russia represents its interests in all regions of the world laughing
      4. 0
        19 October 2015 08: 26
        Quote: Bone
        The Americans were once again convinced that Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!

        Akromya, as in their Army and Navy, there is no one to hope for. Everything is just terrifying, or the enemies will really tie a shroud to us, or we will take military-space scissors and we’ll cut that shirt at a seam. And we don’t seem to give offense to others now. If only political will remained at the same level.
      5. 0
        19 October 2015 11: 42
        It has always been and will be !!!!
    2. +21
      17 October 2015 06: 48
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      American umbrella, shock and awe !!!

      "The Courageous Backward Walking Skunk" - I like it better.
      1. +36
        17 October 2015 09: 07
        Cool written .. Patriotic ...
        Oh, when I get my hands on GDP, I’m proud to read the news too ...
        1. +1
          17 October 2015 11: 04
          If they reach ... I doubt that the decision on the new deadline was made positively ....
        2. +10
          17 October 2015 16: 55
          Quote: severniy
          Oh, when I get my hands on GDP, I’m proud to read the news too ...

          In the current realities, the president has very few powers in domestic politics, it is good if 1/10 have the powers that the Secretary General had at one time. People grumbling at GDP in the light of the situation inside our country, either do not know this, or take advantage of the ignorance of others. For me personally, in general, a big mystery is how the GDP managed what it did in domestic policy. I certainly understand that the main part of this "movement" is hidden from the eyes of a mere mortal, one can only guess how this happens. I suppose that the main tool is a game on the contradictions between the post-EBN oligarchs, in whose hands after the EBN the real power within the country was concentrated.
    3. SSR
      +1
      17 October 2015 09: 57
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names. Just mess up much.

      I liked a lot in the article, but one moment "cut" ...

      But if such a decision were made, someone from the Daily Star Sunday would ask the British military pilots if they were ready to fight with our Su-30SM on their Tornado?

      If such a decision was made, then OUR aviators learned about it after a blow to the back from under the tishka, and if the blow failed, then the Naglo-Saxons would report an error and that would not happen again, and in case of a successful attack in the "back", they would announce a threat their planes and the decision to "resist" ...... There is PR and other rot of the Anglo-Saxons, such as their tornado cooler than the Su-30.
    4. +3
      17 October 2015 23: 30
      - Yes, they have missiles of the wrong "caliber", panimash !!! (R) laughing
    5. 0
      19 October 2015 13: 32
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      how many big names ... American umbrella, shock and awe !!! and pressed a little, right into the bushes.

      There, in the bushes, they just experience shock and awe. Calibrated)))
  2. +62
    17 October 2015 06: 08
    Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.
    1. +5
      17 October 2015 09: 48
      And it’s not that the capitals of Europe didn’t understand before that when they deploy American military bases, including those with a nuclear arsenal, they automatically become targets themselves. Of course, they understood. But this awareness was somehow virtual, or something
      It's just that when Russia’s rockets are rusty, decommissioned and cardboard tanks, it’s not scary to somehow be cool targets ...
      1. +3
        17 October 2015 13: 22
        But they were warned: the response to NATO’s eastward expansion and the deployment of a global missile defense system at our borders will be asymmetric!
        I like our asymmetric answers!
        1. -21
          17 October 2015 16: 01
          Quote: Dembel 77
          I like our asymmetric answers!

          What are some answers? Transometric?
    2. +5
      17 October 2015 13: 01
      here's another topic
    3. +6
      18 October 2015 19: 14
      probably forgotten
    4. 0
      19 October 2015 13: 34
      Quote: noWAR
      Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.

      They speak correctly in Russia - do not wake a sleeping bear !!!
  3. -49
    17 October 2015 06: 12
    List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
    The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing
    1. +17
      17 October 2015 07: 58
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur.

      Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.
      1. +4
        17 October 2015 09: 33
        Quote: EvgNik
        Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.


        Competent commentary, Evgeny Nikolaevich. Yes hi
      2. +2
        17 October 2015 12: 09
        Quote: EvgNik
        Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.

        Only the numbers of the Caliber range are constantly scratching something. It seems like it was said at first that the usual one flies at 1500, and at 2600 - with YaBCh.
        And explain someone else feel . Why does the Caliber work for sea targets only up to 300 km, what is the reason? Are these two different missiles and because of target designation capabilities? If not, is a combined flight possible, first over land, and then over the surface of the water to the target.
        1. +3
          17 October 2015 15: 11
          It seems to be explained that such a difference is due to the mobility of the water target. Indeed, during the flight of the rocket, the target also changes its coordinates, unlike the ground.
        2. +1
          17 October 2015 22: 16
          Quote: Manul
          Only the numbers of the Caliber range are constantly scratching something. It seems like it was said at first that the usual one flies at 1500, and at 2600 - with YaBCh.

          We heard a jingle, but you don’t know where it is ... it was actually said that 1500 km flew THOSE 26 calibers, and maybe 2600 km ...
        3. +1
          19 October 2015 11: 55
          Quote: Manul
          Why does the Caliber work for sea targets only up to 300 km, what is the reason?

          wink The version you are writing about has a shortened shape and a heavier charge (450 kg), in addition, it is exported with minor changes, and the torpedo version should include an additional booster block to fly out from under the water.
          Well, of course - what country will the TTX in its armament issue to everyone? Only developers know about everything - maybe the engines are more efficient, maybe the fuel and tanks are additional. I assume that the marine version flies on 2,9 M more than the land, this allows you to level most of the protection of ships.
          1. 0
            21 October 2015 07: 33
            Quote: Corsair
            The option you are writing about has a shortened shape and a heavier charge (450 kg)

            So all the same, these are two different missiles? request
    2. +8
      17 October 2015 08: 08
      And the people of these countries in their entirety agree with the militant rhetoric of their government? Ukraine is not an example? And even if they decide, then http://topwar.ru/56745-boytes-razbudit-russkogo.html
    3. +22
      17 October 2015 09: 12
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?
      Bomb with impunity from afar (American / cowboy!) - more than enough!
      But to Fight (!) With us - something is not particularly many people who want to ...
      Even the Yankees want someone else to do it. Because, it's one thing to * have fun * in the shooting range, and quite another thing - "squeezing the point and getting covered with cold sweat" to hide and pray in bunkers and bomb shelters so that BB (warheads, KAB, etc.) fly by and did not hit you (* yourself *, warmly and dearly loved!)
    4. +17
      17 October 2015 09: 12
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing


      Plyusanul, although I do not agree. And on what articles to raise patriotism? About Nemtsov or Chubais? Or is any article for cheers screaming bad? Nah, well written, let the youth at least be proud of something.
      1. +7
        17 October 2015 09: 45
        Quote: severniy
        let the youth be proud of something.


        Dear Alexei, in addition to patriotic articles, in order for young people to be proud, it would be nice to think of at least some state policy in order to educate this very patriotism. But for some reason, in addition to the growth in the number of night clubs, I do not observe other elements of youth policy, unfortunately.

        Somehow for some reason, Dear. hi
      2. -1
        17 October 2015 11: 09
        Quote: severniy
        Plyusanul, although I do not agree. And on what articles to raise patriotism? About Nemtsov or Chubais?

        Overfed by propaganda is one thing and therefore ..
    5. -25
      17 October 2015 09: 53
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?

      Well all crying ..ur patriots over the Urals woke up hold on Kolyamba .. laughing
    6. +5
      17 October 2015 10: 06
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur ..

      At the moment, only the United States can fight on equal terms with Russia.
      1. 0
        19 October 2015 14: 43
        Are you sure about that?
    7. +8
      17 October 2015 11: 22
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..

      -----------------------
      Sometimes it is not bad to use weapons in a demonstrative manner, to demonstrate to the public, so to speak ... As for fighting, NATO strategists have already begun to talk about some kind of "unconventional war" and a war with the use of a "tactical nuclear strike" ... With such conversations one can go far and I had to indicatively apply a pill for such a disease ...
    8. +4
      17 October 2015 16: 39
      That's just what they fight, they don’t want to. Because we honestly have to, in full growth, but no one is ready for this.
    9. 0
      17 October 2015 22: 18
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur ..

      We are waiting lol ... list !!!
    10. +2
      18 October 2015 03: 36
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?


      Well, let's list the countries that are ready to receive a nuclear tactical weapon strike on their territory, even hypothetically? No idiots.
      Many people want to destroy Russia but with the wrong hands, but they themselves don’t fight. As for the Anglo-Saxons, they used to fight with the enemy either with the wrong hands or bribing elites from ancient times.
      By strangers, I mean pirates, terrorists, and other rubbish which, in the case of a sheher, like cockroaches scatter to different countries to lick their wounds and when they go out they gather again.
    11. +9
      18 October 2015 09: 40
      News from the fields))))))
      1. +7
        18 October 2015 10: 28
        It's just that we have experienced "pots" ...
      2. 0
        19 October 2015 13: 40
        It seems that ISIS and APU have the same commanders.

        But vague guesses torment me what : it seems that the LPR-DPR and Syria have the same military advisers good
    12. +4
      18 October 2015 13: 47
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing

      Hoarse from "Hurray!" not as unworthy as you think. For hundreds of thousands of our ancestors who died for the Motherland, this was the last thing they managed to do before their death ...
  4. +4
    17 October 2015 06: 16
    There are only two options: either continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit down at a round table and negotiate,

    What's wrong! They will not agree with us, it is not profitable for them. But the arms race is not profitable for us. I think, and it is obvious to me that a third, fourth way is needed, and any one that can give us the most positive result.
  5. +15
    17 October 2015 06: 19
    Sanctions, lists, embargoes, any meanness and provocation, these are the weapons of the United States. But direct conflict is hardly possible, "gut is thin." The use of "Caliber" missiles showed that Russia also has precision weapons. "Hot Heads" cooled down a bit. Mostly the media and some senators, the military, I think, already knew about this. There was a demonstration of this weapon, though not for "training purposes" anymore.
  6. +19
    17 October 2015 06: 30
    The Yankees in the military doctrine prescribe maximum one-time losses of personnel in hostilities. If they exceed the 10% limit at the planning stage, the United States simply will not start fighting. An attack on the Russian Federation will give 30% of losses only in the first day of a clash, and this is at a 7-10-fold advantage spelled out there. There will be not just a direct conflict, but most likely even a mediated one.
    1. +8
      17 October 2015 10: 04
      Quote: shinobi
      .Attack on the Russian Federation will give 30% of losses only in the first day clashes and this is with a 7-10-fold superiority of those registered there


      Hmm ... where did the firewood come from ??? That's all - paper calculations ... it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...

      There is no need to succumb to empty euphoria, you need to continue to follow the same path - to arm and equip the army and navy and pursue your policy, regardless of the cries of "the world civilized society! ...
    2. +4
      17 October 2015 16: 29
      They will try to do everything with the wrong hands, they themselves are frankly afraid.
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 18: 31
        They are not afraid of losses, they are afraid of losing their "ratings". They simply will not be re-elected, and their parties will lose popularity. hi
        Because of the sanctions under the Euro leaders, the seats are cracking.
  7. +10
    17 October 2015 06: 38
    or continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit down at a round table and negotiate

    In this situation, both are necessary. By the way, the GDP once said that Russia would not be drawn into an arms race, as it was in the USSR, we will find another asymmetric answer. Therefore, of course, negotiations are needed, but you should not forget about the army and navy.
    1. +2
      17 October 2015 14: 13
      Quote: rotmistr60
      By the way, the GDP once said that Russia would not be drawn into an arms race, as it was in the USSR, we will find another asymmetric answer.



      Yesterday I read one analytics - I didn’t get into it yesterday, so I digested it ...

      Assad, of the 370 thousand so-called faithful bayonets declared somewhere in the region, is now about 75-80 thousand ... Why is he glad of almost any help ...

      With tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, airplanes, helicopters and air defense systems - a complete ass ... There were 1500 tanks, left with a gulkin nose ... More or less modern IS vehicles and the opposition burned, now the remaining T-55 are worth its weight in gold ...

      There was infa that Russia is preparing an express train with T-72 and BMP-2, and not only elite special forces arrived from Castro, but also the crews of tanks...

      Something was also silent about strengthening our air group ... The problem, apparently, is how to get them there now ... Air hooliganism, as was done earlier, is unlikely to pass ...
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      2. +4
        17 October 2015 15: 08
        Something was also silent about strengthening our air group ... The problem, apparently, is how to get them there now ... Air hooliganism, as was done earlier, is unlikely to pass ...

        I think there aren’t so many goals there that the air group should be increased, everything needs to be explored, where are some warehouses, it also takes time. ISIS entrenched in settlements under the guise of a peacekeeper. Here helicopter pilots, apparently, need to be added, but this is more dangerous, they can most likely be shot down. Option one is to hollow out the supply of ammunition and destroy their oil financing system. And also, I think, ours saw that the threads of help to the Shaitans lead to the SA, Jordan, Turkey and Qatar, and pecking at them is already more serious. Well, the United States also helps our enemies with arms, and our aircraft and flyers can be delivered through the straits.
  8. +23
    17 October 2015 07: 09
    Russia has always won in battles and lost in the information war. It’s time to learn.
    1. +22
      17 October 2015 07: 25
      In the information war, as a rule, the one who says the truth loses, because it is limited to it. A liar has the opportunity to say what they want to hear from him.
      1. +2
        17 October 2015 20: 18
        Wiruz

        I would like to object to you.

        What you said is just the visible part of the iceberg.

        It’s actually hard to lie. Because you must have allies to confirm this lie. This ally must be kept dependent, in fear. In this way, communities are formed.

        It’s easy to tell the truth as long as you are independent, i.e. strong. He who speaks the truth does not need allies. Therefore, communities are not created in truth. A voluntary agreement to support the truth, not held together by motivation, does not last long.

        Such is the struggle of opposites.
    2. +7
      17 October 2015 07: 28
      Well, now if it loses, it is not dry. If one country has all "the most authoritative and truthful, and completely independent media" and we only have rush today, it is difficult to fight them, they throw them with pure caps, but a chicken by the grain ...
  9. +15
    17 October 2015 07: 20
    ... after a demonstration of the capabilities of the Caliber-NK missile system, it is not difficult to get a sense of what one of the possible asymmetric responses of the Russian side might be. Let's face it: depressing!
    Yeah. "You guys" hit. Maybe they thought and wondered, but when it happened they did not believe it. And this is just a fraction of what else we have. Shock and horror. Russia has no impossible tasks. To resist a platoon of Russian soldiers is a fierce, bloody end. They fight to the end, to the last bullet, and when they run out of ammunition, they use everything that is at hand. Mortally wounded a Russian? Do not touch him, most likely, before his death - he clamped a grenade without a pin. Russians are resourceful and intuitive. And ... Blase. Has the plane arrived? Nothing, they will shoot down with a sapper shovel. Tank? Nothing, if not broken hands. Fighters who have never held an SVD, at a critical moment, are able to hit from it at the limit of range. And it doesn't matter that it was the last cartridge, they will beat the enemy with the rifle itself. Tactics and strategy? Easy! Any composition, from an army to a half-dead cripple, holding an enemy company alone. Russians are not capable of retreating. And if they retreat, be sure they are just running after the bullets. Fear with..and! We are invincible!
  10. +6
    17 October 2015 07: 37
    It’s unlikely that we’ll fight openly, our hands are untied there to the point of nuclear weapons, but what ... they’ll call barbarians and savages anyway ... but they didn’t stop and do not stop crap and dirty work for a single day.
  11. +7
    17 October 2015 08: 00
    If someone's brains are not able to analyze, well, at least Putin's warnings about the fact that we have something to respond to the expansion of their missile defense system to the east, then the launch of a "caliber" against ISIS can be considered a slap on the head of a student who has failed. And let them rejoice that for such a procedure Russia did not have to choose NATO bases, say, in Poland! ISIS saved them in this sense, let them think!
  12. +5
    17 October 2015 08: 15
    Gauges calibrated brains ... One thing, says more than a thousand words. Let them cry on.
  13. +8
    17 October 2015 08: 16
    If it is possible to improve the characteristics of the engine and fuel, reduce the weight parameters of the "electronic brains", who knows how far the 3M-14 will fly ...

    So this King of the bird turns out, which is already armed with Swans - x101 / x102 and can be hung on Bears. These birds are real shock and awe and not quoted
  14. +6
    17 October 2015 08: 22
    Gentlemen "partners" of Mother Russia, if you have a temperature, we can offer you a simple vinegar compress. But if you have hot heads and the temperature does not drop, then the compress offered by us will be of a larger CALIBER and the composition of its components will change significantly. Believe me, it will not smell of vinegar, for you it will smell like pipets !!!
    1. +16
      17 October 2015 09: 54
      Quote: SPB 1221
      Gentlemen "partners" of mother Russia



      Quote: SPACE
      Many secrets are hidden in the Kremlin and if they are not accessible to foreign intelligence, then even for patriots, communists, liberals


      1. +9
        17 October 2015 10: 00
        laughing Well, appendage


        I am more and more inclined to believe that Taburetkin played the role of a screen / cover. And Vasiliev is just a performer’s love affair lol
        1. 0
          17 October 2015 13: 39
          "How many such containers ...."

          This is a great mystery.
        2. -2
          17 October 2015 20: 15
          Quote: Orphan 63
          I am more and more inclined to believe that Taburetkin played the role of a screen / cover. And Vasiliev is just a love excess of the artist lol

          Look at +4 and not a single "-", but last year they gave me a dozen minuses for such an assumption. Did they start thinking? lol
        3. +1
          19 October 2015 14: 54
          It doesn’t happen, Shoigu came and immediately rearmament, modernization, etc. Such a sharp breakthrough in the military-industrial complex could not happen from scratch.
      2. 0
        17 October 2015 10: 02
        "We are not going to move away from the liberal, I can say frankly, course in the field of currency regulation."
        Putin

        Probably wait for the consequences ..
      3. 0
        19 October 2015 13: 45
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/148/jkxi696.jpg

        It would be nice inside Mother Russia itself ... starting with DAM bully
      4. -1
        19 October 2015 16: 04
        Putin is definitely clever - practically lead to collapse, to confuse the population with all sorts of military nonsense. He is great !!! And now for the points:
        - about the Kiev junta, what is the most junta in the language of namoloa? What did she cursed want to snatch from the Russian Federation, what kind of land? (Logically, it turns out that Kiev was nonsense, and they took the Crimea’s GDP)
        - Who are friends of the Russian Federation. Who! Iran, Assad, and all, what are such a half of the globe?
        - As for the products - the West eats and laughs at the Russian Federation, at least 80% of the domestic cheese is frankly woof --- oh.
        - Our genius is wetting some basmachi, pay money to another Caucasian
        - Here he is silent again)))
  15. +1
    17 October 2015 08: 35
    as Vladimir Putin noted in a recent interview with Vesti, foreign intelligence does not need to know everything.

    Many secrets are hidden in the Kremlin, and if they are not available to foreign intelligence services, then for patriots, communists, liberals, even more so. After the collapse of the USSR, many left to the west, but who, this is the question and why, in what areas and how much foreign business is working under cover, including in the dark, and how intelligence and all other operations and disinformation are self-financed, because all ", there will be no secret budget item, who is pulling the strings))) Nowadays, in the conditions of mutual exchange of economic and information sovereignty, it can only be in the offices of the Kremlin and all other relevant ministries and departments, on the territory of interesting military units, headquarters, bunkers of the Strategic Missile Forces, warheads of nuclear submarines, cabin of cruisers and bomb bays of strategists, but this is normal ...
  16. +3
    17 October 2015 08: 37
    Shtatniks will not attack us, they will set mongrels and, based on this, they will calculate the percentage of losses. It seems that all the recent wars with us Westerners started only a herd, but not alone
  17. +4
    17 October 2015 08: 48
    Maybe this joke was here, but I repeat. Why did the Russians start the war and ig? They were offended that Obama called ig the main threat, and put Russia in second place, so the Russians and urinate ig to become the first. And what about the third threat, Ebola? Then they will take care of it, how should it be dried and calibrated.
  18. AUL
    +3
    17 October 2015 09: 20
    Here I figured a circle with a radius of 2600 km from Kaliningrad. Impressive!
  19. +14
    17 October 2015 09: 27
    Gentlemen, comrade patriots! Less caps. It's not bad, it's confirmed. But there are also bottlenecks in our "economy". This is also a fact. Let us not forget about this, let us temper our patriotic fervor and get to work. Each in its place. For example, the problem: The education system, written off from our Western partners, educates people who are not equipped to think in a complex way and are not motivated to solve creative problems. Another ten years and we ourselves will not understand what "ass" our economy is. And this is far from the only "joint".
    1. 0
      17 October 2015 18: 23
      and there is!!!
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  21. +1
    17 October 2015 09: 29
    Who can answer. Why at the mention of the Islamic State group is always necessarily added (prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation)? Is there still no forbidden or are afraid to offend the Americans?
  22. +2
    17 October 2015 09: 42
    No need to fall into euphoria. Although, there is some truth. And the states have never fought on their territory, so they will never understand us. As one of the heroes of the adventures of the “gallant soldier Hasek” said, playing cards in the dugout with officers: “The enemy is cunning and treacherous! Fire!" So watch out!
  23. 0
    17 October 2015 09: 42
    Russia has put forward an "argument" against which it is impossible to refuse. - If the West wants to fight with Russia, then we will immediately carry out all the "actions" on their territory. They should like it.
  24. +3
    17 October 2015 09: 53
    Liberasts and their economic part in the government should pray every day so that the GDP does not take up internal affairs. For when it comes to, with its effectiveness, transplant this shobla - instantly. At present, IMHO, he simply does not have enough time and energy both here and there. True, food independence was quietly managed to be organized.
  25. 0
    17 October 2015 09: 54
    Who wants to, and who does not want to fight, and with whom, the crux of the matter is not this, and did we not "overlook" the beginning of a new "swing", that is, a new round of the arms race? Are they going to sit in silence in a "rag"? I don't think so, and it looks like we'll soon find out something about their new "Wunderwaffle"!
  26. 0
    17 October 2015 09: 57
    "sit down at a round table and negotiate, for example, to lower the threshold of confrontation, on the withdrawal of American and NATO structures from our borders and in general about the new format of international relations "...

    They will not solve these issues ... Cynically speaking, in order to recognize the need to resolve such issues, you need to have a common sense, which should advise the "hegemon" to reduce the pressure of his ambitions ... And judging by the top priority American politicians - common sense has been there for a long time and no one has ...

    And we don’t need to throw caps ... The confrontation is just beginning in real time, and we are not yet so strong as to confront the United States and NATO ...

    And the author even mentioned that the USA is afraid of North Korea, which supposedly either has carriers or not ... The USA is not afraid of them, because until the Koreans prepare their missiles for launch, they can be smashed (PU) to the nines and ashes a hundred times ... There is readiness - over a day ...
  27. +3
    17 October 2015 11: 39
    SONG OF ROCKERS

    Slowly rockets float away
    They cannot be stopped already
    And although America is a little sorry
    We need to win!

    Chorus:
    Tablecloth, tablecloth
    Chlorine picrin
    And gets under the gas mask
    Everyone, everyone believes in the best,
    Falling, falling nuclear bomb.

    A landmine flies, sways,
    Three meters left to the ground,
    In vain, buddy, you dig into the ground,
    Do not get away from the shock wave!

    Maybe we offended someone in vain,
    Dropping 115 megatons ...
    Now let the earth burn and melt
    Where the Pentagon used to rule!

    (Ships entered our harbor. Issue 5. M., Dragonfly, 2001.)
    1. +3
      17 October 2015 18: 51
      Quote: Fox_1959
      SONG OF ROCKERS



      You sing this song at home ...

      I gave the Strategic Missile Forces 25 years of my life ..

      And you issued from the series "Ships entered our harbor" ... Laughter and reality are far from unambiguous things ... Laugh on and on, clown ...

      PS By the way, I'm not the only one with such claims .. It seems that the forum is called "Voennoye Obozreniye" and should attract soldiers, but all the time you have to deal with anonymous minusists ... This is not a military thing ... Who minus without explaining their position - that shame and shame !!!
  28. +4
    17 October 2015 11: 56
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Well, all .. the patriots of the Urals woke up to hold on to Kolyamba ..

    And what a patriot hurray is bad? not a white puppy, screaming that a dog will be better for us. Take the same Caliber, but they can be filled with everything on earth, in the sky, and at sea, now we launch in bulk from all the installations that we have without fail on the super American missile defense system, well, naturally on command posts. And since the much-praised missile defense system cannot even protect itself, this is already the finish line, the next intercontinental launch without barriers. This is a crude example, of course, but why not, with such weapons in Russia one must be a patriot.
  29. +1
    17 October 2015 12: 54
    Caliber on paper exclusivity of bloody messengers.
  30. +1
    17 October 2015 14: 18
    only with such “sticks” under the name ... caliber ... you can drive all this western fucking brotherhood to the negotiating table.
  31. -1
    17 October 2015 14: 40
    It turns out that Vasilieva - Perdukov is some kind of zunder-muder, it turns out ?! - Does the backstage play in favor of Russia ?! "- Well, you fucking give it!
  32. +2
    17 October 2015 14: 41
    Guys, after all, small boats on our European rivers with "Caliber" or similar weapons are the same as "Barguzin" trains with strategists. Who knows from which river or lake a salvo will go across Europe. And it is very difficult to track them, especially disguised as barges or civilian boats.
    1. +1
      17 October 2015 15: 19
      Yes, yes, and all sorts of bulk carriers, tankers and other barges. It may even be better than a DBC. In winter, you only have to stand motionless. Even secrecy is easier to observe when navigating rivers, reservoirs, and lakes within Russia. This creates competition for strategic nuclear forces, the ground coordinates of which are known to all. And give out the form as for ordinary river sailors, so as not to stand out from the whole mass. And let thousands of ships be identified from satellites and rack their brains, changing flight tasks every day!
  33. +2
    17 October 2015 15: 05
    As for the range, other figures were given. That with a conventional head flies 1600 km, with a nuclear - 2500 km. And here 4000 km!
    1. +4
      17 October 2015 16: 35
      No one will say the real characteristics and correctly.
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  34. 0
    17 October 2015 18: 43
    Quote: noWAR
    Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.

    This is not even a shark., Teeth are much larger ... and what !!!
  35. 0
    17 October 2015 19: 09
    in their pants they have shock and awe
  36. 0
    17 October 2015 19: 22
    Quote: Manul
    Are these two different missiles and because of target designation capabilities? If not, is a combined flight possible, first over land, and then over the surface of the water to the target.

    Yes, two different, even three different missiles. Combined flight is not possible. Yes and pointless
  37. mrpumlin
    -8
    18 October 2015 00: 42
    They got stuck in Ukraine, now they’ve gotten into the Middle East.

    Ukrainians and many Russians in Ukraine have already been set against us. And now they are poisoning the Arab and Muslim worlds (they write that many forums in Muslim countries are drowning in hatred for Russia).

    We are being pulled on two fronts, our resources are being burned before the future Great NATO-Russia War of the early twenties.

    Lord have mercy! We will again have millions and millions of victims ...
  38. mrpumlin
    0
    18 October 2015 00: 56
    Quote: veksha50
    They will not solve these issues ... Cynically speaking, in order to recognize the need to resolve such issues, you need to have a common sense, which should advise the "hegemon" to reduce the pressure of his ambitions ... And judging by the top priority American politicians - common sense has been there for a long time and no one has ...

    And we don’t need to throw caps ... The confrontation is just beginning in real time, and we are not yet so strong as to confront the United States and NATO ...


    Exactly.

    A.1. Today, there are a lot of people in the political and foreign policy circles of the United States — bezpolozdelniki, gopnik. This may be a natural degradation of the American system, but it may very well be purposeful.

    It can be assumed that "someone" is thus trying to create in the necessary spheres a certain critical mass of people, albeit narrow-minded, but who know their business, and most importantly - ready to take risks and adventures.

    What for? To repeat the success of Reagan, who destroyed the USSR. Now - already in relation to the Russian Federation.

    The United States has two real adversaries: Russia and China. But if China is an adversary partner, without which the United States can’t live yet, then without Russia (capable of destroying them physically, by the way) they will be happy to do. That is, their immediate goal is Russia.

    A.2. The confrontation really is just beginning and we are really weak - and how much! Ukraine has clearly shown everything.

    We only had enough in the Crimea. Although without Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk the new Union will not take place. And Kazakhstan has already begun to drift from us towards colonial dependence on China ...

    Will we become significantly stronger by the beginning of the Great War of NATO - Russia (obviously, in the early 20s)? Time will tell. But for now, somehow it’s very disturbing ...
  39. mrpumlin
    0
    18 October 2015 01: 16
    Quote: s.melioxin
    Has the plane arrived? Nothing, knock down a sapper blade. Tank? Nothing if hands are not broken. Fighters who have never held SVD at a critical moment are able to get out of it at the limit of range. And it does not matter that this was the last cartridge, they will beat the enemy with the rifle itself. Tactics and strategy? Easy! By any composition, from the army to the half-dead cripple, holding alone the company of the enemy. Russians are not able to retreat. And if you retreat - be sure, they just run after the cartridges. Fear with ... and! We are invincible!


    I agree. Let me develop.

    So maybe we, in this case, do not need to maintain an army? Expensive after all. Why splurge? Enough border guards. And if only the adversary decides (not otherwise having smoked himself, but why is he certain that he will die?) - so if he decides, we will mobilize a million Russian superheroes in a swoop, give them sapper shovels and SVD ...

    Although ... no. Nevertheless, it will be necessary to maintain something like detachment detachments. Of course, not in order to stand behind our soldiers - if they run back, then behind cartridges. And so that just at least someone would stop them after the Victory, he would not allow the ocean to cross in a victorious impulse and continue the offensive in some thread friendly Venezuela.
    1. 0
      18 October 2015 19: 19
      Yes, I repeat, after such comments to which you answered, UkroSMI clearly smelled))))
  40. mrpumlin
    -1
    18 October 2015 01: 27
    Quote: Gray 43
    Shtatniks will not attack us, they will set mongrels and, based on this, they will calculate the percentage of losses. It seems that all the recent wars with us Westerners started only a herd, but not alone


    Of course. Moreover, I personally, for example, thought that they would let Japan go ahead, and after her China would not be able not to intervene so as not to give Japan what it considers to be its own. And then the Americans would have pretended to be our "allies" or "peacekeepers". But I am more and more inclined to think that no, they are ready to sacrifice EUROPE, if only to dismember Russia and deprive the defense industry and nuclear weapons.

    I don’t know if it’s right, but it seems that things are going there - there will be a war with Europe, with strong support from the United States. See here: http://mrpumlin.livejournal.com/62126.html
  41. +1
    18 October 2015 01: 28
    Today, our military-industrial complex is not the same as it was yesterday

    Actually, he is BEGINNING, he never was !! WAS DIFFICULT TIMES! am
  42. 0
    18 October 2015 05: 05
    Test, just a test
  43. +2
    18 October 2015 07: 30
    Not true about India. Engines "product 95TM" for an Indian order were made in Zaporozhye for "Motor Sich" even before the Maidan. Rockets in Korolev in the corporation Tactical missile weapons. Specialists from "Motor Sich" together with Korolevtsy were on trials and even brought a video. So that's it. The Indians fired from their missile boats at a surface target somewhere in the ocean, in the amount of eight missiles, like. The target is just a big board with a net on a pontoon. All hits are exactly in the center of the target. I don’t remember the firing distance, about 600 km. When we looked at the target, in the background about accuracy, we even heard non-translatable Russian expressions. They fired without warheads, with blanks. All hits in one hole. Robin Hood is resting. If I find a video, I'll post it.
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  44. 0
    18 October 2015 07: 58
    At the expense of eight missiles, I turned it down. It seems there were two, but from different angles. In general, one hundred and eighty engines were produced under the Indian order for Motor Sich.
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  46. +6
    18 October 2015 10: 17
    [left] [/ left] Want and have the opportunity - different categories)))
  47. +1
    18 October 2015 11: 02
    Damn, and that our journalists are not very professional. Well, they would also have informed that from a reliable source it would have been known that the Russian pilots were allowed to shoot down any planes within the reach of their aircraft, regardless of the nationality of the territory over which the entot pepelats was spotted.
  48. +1
    18 October 2015 11: 26
    It was beneficial for Washington to maintain the view that Russia, no matter how it rested, lagged behind the civilized world forever and no longer had the means or the ability to claim a significant role in the world order, and its military-industrial complex was already incapable of anything .

    At least now Obama will not turn his tongue to call us a large gas station. Choking.
  49. +3
    18 October 2015 11: 32
    "Moreover, not so long ago we managed to find a common language."
    Everything is simple. If our Armed Forces are dressed in shod clothes, equipped, trained, motivated and at the same time not only perfectly armed, but also superbly able to use all this, then we agree. Now, if the opposition fools come to power, then very soon they will begin to order us.
  50. -4
    18 October 2015 11: 39
    There are more cruise missiles on any amerovsky destroyer than on our entire Caspian fleet. And stop confusing the caliber in the anti-ship missile version with a range of over 300 km, with a sea-to-surface caliber with a range of several thousand.
  51. 0
    18 October 2015 12: 28
    I wish you all good health!
    Look at the website Sdelanounas.ru for information about the exercises of airborne special forces in Kubinka. Interesting report! Let them be afraid and not interfere with us! This is another example of the revival of our army and navy!
    I have the honor! soldier
  52. +2
    18 October 2015 17: 55
    While we have a fifth column walking around, I would not be so optimistic. They can always stab you in the back.
  53. 0
    18 October 2015 19: 27
    Quote: severniy
    Oh, when the GDP gets around to internal politics, then I’ll read the news with pride..

    I can't wait either. For now we are marking time. Glazyev would be prime minister, then things would go well.
  54. 0
    18 October 2015 21: 30
    Quote from S.S.R.
    Quote: PlotnikoffDD
    Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names. Just mess up much.

    like their tornado is cooler than the Su-30.

    We recently posted a video on our website about the SU 30 SM, so it’s absolutely fantastic,
    it was something to show.
  55. 0
    19 October 2015 02: 20
    I read right up to this point
    The victory in Moscow of the “Armata”, which was made at Uralvagonzavod in just two years literally from scratch, although it alerted our foreign colleagues, but by and large did not greatly influence the established opinion.
    Why lie like that? Yes, the tank is good, but it wasn’t made in 2 years. If the rest of the information is just as biased, there is nothing to waste time reading.
    PS The unified heavy platform cipher "Armata" (often referred to in the press as "Armada") is a promising Russian tracked platform of the fourth generation, developed by Uralvagonzavod since 2009-2010.
    http://vpk.name/library/f/armata.html
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  57. 0
    19 October 2015 08: 44
    You betrayed us in Novorossiya, now you will abandon Assad, like Igor Strelkov a year ago. Aren’t you ashamed?
  58. 0
    19 October 2015 11: 32
    Quote from S.S.R.
    Quote: PlotnikoffDD
    Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names. Just mess up much.

    I liked a lot in the article, but one moment "cut" ...

    But if such a decision were made, someone from the Daily Star Sunday would ask the British military pilots if they were ready to fight with our Su-30SM on their Tornado?

    If such a decision was made, then OUR aviators learned about it after a blow to the back from under the tishka, and if the blow failed, then the Naglo-Saxons would report an error and that would not happen again, and in case of a successful attack in the "back", they would announce a threat their planes and the decision to "resist" ...... There is PR and other rot of the Anglo-Saxons, such as their tornado cooler than the Su-30.


    If I’m not mistaken, just a few days ago the “British” gave permission to shoot down planes in the skies over Iraq request
    Damn, where is Iraq, and where are the Britons?! What, it’s been a long time since the empire got punched in the face?
  59. +1
    19 October 2015 14: 43
    It is possible to fight a nuclear power only in the spheres of demography, economics and geopolitics. The USSR could easily and with impunity occupy all of Western Europe. The Russian project - "Ukraine" can be destroyed in this way.
  60. 0
    19 October 2015 15: 25
    Quote: Gray 43
    The staffers will not attack us - they will set the mongrels on and, based on this, they will calculate the percentage of losses


    They won't even risk that. The EU can also count.
  61. 0
    19 October 2015 17: 07
    Eh, probably no one... feel
  62. 0
    19 October 2015 21: 37
    Everything is fine, but comparing a plane from the 70s with a modern SU is not entirely correct. must be compared with the Eurofighter.
  63. 0
    20 October 2015 00: 25
    everything is fine, beautiful marquise, everything is fine, everything is fine..... wink
    it’s just... it’s clear that analysts calculated a certain movement behind the scenes of the West, intelligence helped to find out everything possible, the army did everything as best it could (in honor of the anniversary for the president, Shoigu couldn’t be a sucker)... but that’s all there still remains some sediment somewhere...
    They still hide something from us, and we don’t notice something...
    problems in the country are not decreasing negative
  64. 0
    20 October 2015 09: 31
    Good article...Really, who wants to get into trouble now? NATO members are accustomed to listening to their “dad,” but he just goes to sleep and relaxes! Everyone overslept. And our lionfish and the preparation for the Syrian operation and the operation itself... Look at old Merkel. How shriveled she was. The Americans set us up on all sides! All over Europe! They can't choose their friends! And since you are not a friend, that means you are a “partner”!!! negative
  65. 0
    21 October 2015 23: 11
    Moreover, not so long ago we managed to find a common language.
    Tell me, when did we find a common language? There were games of rapprochement, but nothing else happened.

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

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