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Who wants to fight with us now?

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Last Sunday, referring to its own source in the British military, the London Daily Star Sunday reported that NATO pilots and British pilots flying multi-purpose Tornado fighters were entitled to attack military planes in Iraqi airspace Russia. If such a statement were made personally by the head of the British Ministry of Defense, Michael Fallon, then he probably could have been taken at face value. But since the information came from a "own source", it immediately became clear that this is most likely a propaganda fake or a primitive newspaper provocation. Moreover, it appeared at the very moment when, in the occupied Baghdad occupied by NATO members, it would be nice if Russian planes “processed” the positions of the “Islamic state” in their territory.

As far as is known, Moscow is not going to expand the air operation in the Middle East. But if such a decision were made, someone from the Daily Star Sunday would ask British military aviators if they were ready to fight with our Su-30CM on their Tornado?

Back in 2006, during the British-Indian exercise Indra Dhanush, Su-30МКИ (similar to Su-30СМ) conducted a series of training battles with the Tornado F. interceptor fighter. Mk. 3, in service with the Royal Air Force. According to the confessions of the British pilots themselves, who were given the opportunity to practice in piloting, the "drying" is significantly superior to the machines on which they had to fly. And although since that time Tornado has been modernized, Su-30CM is also far from Su-30MKI, but its more modern version, significantly improved and improved. A worthy opponent for him can be unless the American F-22 Raptor. And not in all cases, because, for example, the F-22 airborne radar, as it became known (see “NVO” from 21.08.15), is very far from perfect.

However, the “air battle for the Middle East,” so famously declared by the Daily Star Sunday, was never to be. The very next day, the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense officially announced that the information spread by the tabloid was completely untrue. Who would doubt that?..

Moreover. Now the Pentagon, without whose command not only an airplane, but not a single NATO field kitchen will budge, seems to agree to coordinate with the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding security in the Middle East. Although at first the Americans also wandered and hinted at some "retaliatory measures." Everything changed on October 7, when the ships of the Caspian flotilla from a distance of 1,5 thousand km, 26 launches of the Caliber-NK sea-based cruise missiles were launched at the facilities of the Islamic State group (prohibited by Russian law) in Syria.

OTHER "SHOCK AND TABLE"

Americans love to give pathetic names to their guidance documents. Exactly so - “Shock and Awe” - the US military doctrine was first called for in Iraq. For Saddam Hussein, everything ended badly, but now the Americans themselves are in some perplexity. The fact is that high-precision strikes of the Russian aviation the positions of the Islamic State and the particularly integrated Caliber-NK missile system made an indelible impression on Washington.

So strong that the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, moved from the language of international communication to a language that was not accepted in diplomacy, and the US Congress began to find out how it happened that their “world's best intelligence” overlooked everything. Moreover, she overlooked not only the concentration of forces and means of the Russian VKS (Aerospace Forces) in Syria, but also did not know that Russia had cruise missiles with a long range, although talks about the fact that Russian rocket science does not stand still. from time to time appeared in the western press.

What can I say? Firstly, as Vladimir Putin said in a recent interview with Vesti, foreign intelligence doesn’t have to know everything. Secondly, the Americans, as far as can be judged, have been driven by arrogance, brought to the point of exclusivity, as well as political engagement. It was beneficial for Washington to support the view that Russia, no matter how hard it resisted, lagged behind the civilized world forever and no longer has the means or the ability to claim a significant role in the world order, and its defense industrial complex is not capable of anything . Even the appearance at the Victory Parade in Moscow "Armata", which was made at Uralvagonzavod in just two years from scratch, even though it alarmed our foreign colleagues, but by and large didn’t affect well-established opinion.

The Caliber missile system, which is exported under the symbol Club, has a curious fate. For the first time, the 3М-14Е rocket (export version) developed for this complex was shown at the Russian Expo Arms in Nizhny Tagil back in the 2004 year. But then among her more famous sister missiles, she somehow got lost and did not make a big impression.

In the same year, 3М-14Э was shown at Defexpo India, and two years later the Indian Navy purchased 28 missiles for their surface ships and submarines. As the Club-S behaved in operation (submarine version, launch is done through a torpedo tube), there is no information. But the frigates of the Indian Navy shot out with complexes that seemed to be very bad. And as usually happens in such cases, reproaches were sent to the country of origin. But now it is clear that the matter is not in “Calibre”, it’s the Club, namely in the hands - after the 7 of October 2015, the integrated Caliber-NK missile system no longer needs advertising. And if the first number in the family of cruise missiles of this class was considered to be American Tomahawk, now its star, if not rolled, has dimmed in many ways.

Here it is necessary to clarify. If the export version of 3М-14 beats on 300 km, then adopted in Russia - on 2600 km. In normal equipment - this is 450 kg of explosive. With a nuclear warhead that is obviously lighter, the 3M-14 flies significantly further. Someone calls the order of numbers in 4 thousand. Km, others - in 5 thousand. Km. But there is no exact information, as for obvious reasons they are classified. And God forbid to promulgate them in a practical way! ..

Nevertheless, Caliber-NK has already had a noticeable impact on the geopolitical situation - in general, and in particular in the Mediterranean. In fact, it has been proved that Russia, even without fully restoring its Mediterranean squadron, is now able to provide effective resistance to the US 6 fleet, which for a quarter of a century considered these waters to be something of a resort zone.

Judge for yourself. In the Caspian, three small rocket ships of the 21 631 “Buyan-M” project (Sviyazhsk, Uglich, Velikiy Ustyug) and the patrol ship of the 11 661 “Dagestan” project are equipped with the Caliber-NK complex. In the Black Sea, such IRCs have so far two - Serpukhov and Zeleny Dol, plus a diesel submarine of the 636.3 Novorossiysk project, also armed with Caliber. Comments are probably superfluous, suffice it to note: if the 3М-14 is equipped with a special warhead, then you can work directly from the berthing wall of Sevastopol at the targets located at the Pillars of Hercules.

But who said that the current launch range of the Caliber-NK is the limit? Today, our military-industrial complex is not as miserable as it was yesterday, and the technical thought does not stand still. If you can improve the performance of the engine and fuel, reduce the weight parameters of the "electronic brains", who knows how far the 3M-14 will fly ...

In general, today the Americans led by Barack Obama were about the same situation as the Hitler generals in 1941, for whom the T-34 tank, the Katusha MLRS, the Soviet artillery, etc., were a big surprise.

UNDER AMERICAN UMBRELLA

Who wants to fight with us now?

[i] [center] The ships of the Caspian Flotilla attacked the positions of the Islamists in Syria 26 with cruise missiles. Shot from the official video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

As already noted, “Caliber-NK” struck not only the objects of the Islamists in Syria, but also touched upon the tangential ambitions of the White House, accustomed to the role of managing director of the entire globe. The world literally froze in anticipation of a response from Washington. And after the scandalous statement by the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, in which it sounded that Russia, they say, "continues to wrap itself in an insulating shroud" from Kamchatka to the Baltic, many have the feeling that the matter is taking a serious turn. It is clear that, referring to the "shroud", the main American commander had in mind not only economic sanctions.

However, very soon, Washington slowed down to the statement of its intention to supply "its children" in Syria and Iraq with air defense weapons and other weapons. No wonder: with the enemy, who has the ability to give a decent answer, the Americans have always preferred to fight with someone else's hands. Even North Korea, which either has a carrier capable of delivering a warhead to American territory, or not, is a bluff from Comrade Kim Jong-un, trying to get round.

The only exception when the Americans are faced with a standing enemy, and then as part of a coalition - World War II. Moreover, it remains to be seen how the battle in the Ardennes would end for them if Stalin, at the request of Churchill, did not hasten the start of the East Prussian offensive operation. In addition, Werner von Braun didn’t manage to bring the V-1945 to 2 to such a state that she was able to fly over the ocean. Today, the situation is completely different, and it’s not at all a fact that the Americans are not expecting the same “surprise” with our strategic missiles as with the Caliber-NK missile system. But they were warned: the response to the expansion of NATO to the east and the deployment of a global missile defense system at our borders will be symmetrical!

And here's another noteworthy. Until the last moment the Americans behaved quite decently (after all, a great country!), Then their allies in the Atlantic bloc, especially the newly minted, often acted as instigators. Then defiantly they will begin to dig anti-tank ditches around the perimeter of their borders, then with barbed wire and Bruno's spirals to fence themselves, hinting that, they say, Russia will attack America from day to day and it would be nice for America to strike a preemptive strike ... But in recent days they have also silenced something. Even the commander-in-chief of the Lithuanian Armed Forces, Dalia Grybauskaite, who, while the American military umbrella was considered infinitely reliable, repeatedly called for Drang nach Osten to repeat, she keeps her mouth shut. Probably, he understands: no matter how much you place your allied troops on your territory, how many shrouds your shroud from NATO bases around Russia, there are no guarantees against a crushing response.

It must be assumed that he seriously thought about the real benefits of American military patronage and the rest of the Old World. And it’s not that in the capitals of Europe they didn’t understand before that, by deploying American military bases, including those with a nuclear arsenal, they automatically become targets themselves. Of course, understood. But this awareness was somehow virtual, or something, devoid of material and technical content. Now, after demonstrating the capabilities of the Caliber-NK missile system, it is not difficult to make up ideas about what one of the possible asymmetric answers of the Russian side can be. Let's face it: depressing!

So draw conclusions, gentlemen! There are only two options: either continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit at a round table and agree, for example, on lowering the threshold of opposition, on withdrawing the American and NATO structures from our borders and generally on international relations. Moreover, not so long ago we managed to find a common language.
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  1. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 17 October 2015 06: 03 New
    59
    Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names ... American umbrella, shock and awe !!! and pressed a little, right into the bushes. Just mess up much.
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 17 October 2015 06: 27 New
      51
      The Americans were once again convinced that Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 October 2015 08: 58 New
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        Quote: Bone
        Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!

        what could be one of the possible asymmetric responses of the Russian side. Let's face it: depressing!

        The author is well done! But I would correct a little:
        the answer will also be * tricky *!
        1. provincial
          provincial 17 October 2015 10: 08 New
          14
          Не дай бог,но если- то эти "ящики" не кому и не куда будет отправлять,тем более не кому будет их встречать и оплакивать.
        2. Konstantin 121
          Konstantin 121 17 October 2015 11: 05 New
          23
          Here in the photo you can clearly see why they are called mattresses.
          1. bastard
            bastard 17 October 2015 11: 20 New
            14
            Цитата: Konstantin 121
            Here in the photo you can clearly see why they are called mattresses.

            This is the American oil industry returning home.
            1. captain
              captain 17 October 2015 14: 19 New
              16
              I agree with the author, the volley was very successful, he slightly overwhelmed the Americans, not quite, but overwhelmed him. But I do not agree with the author about his positive assessment of Stalin's activities in assisting the Allies in the Ardennes. I think you should not lay down the lives of our soldiers, for the sake of the lives of strangers. My opinion is, the more Germans would fill them, the easier they behaved in our time.
        3. shibi
          shibi 17 October 2015 16: 57 New
          20
          american umbrella for geyropa

      2. nnz226
        nnz226 17 October 2015 12: 48 New
        17
        А кого в обиду не даст?! Сирию, Кубу - да! А в гейропе (кроме Белоруссии) в обиду не давать некого! Предателей и перебежчиков вешают, а не защищают! Нехай, гейропу от натиска востока и Африки их "большой дядя" - америкосы спасают! А Россия со стороны посмотрит, как это выглядеть будет!
        1. SANAY
          SANAY 19 October 2015 08: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: nnz226
          А кого в обиду не даст?! Сирию, Кубу - да! А в гейропе (кроме Белоруссии) в обиду не давать некого! Предателей и перебежчиков вешают, а не защищают! Нехай, гейропу от натиска востока и Африки их "большой дядя" - америкосы спасают! А Россия со стороны посмотрит, как это выглядеть будет!

          In general, it is true, but we have much more real allies. Not only Belarus, but all the former republics of the USSR, with the exception, of course, of the Baltic states, which are clearly unfriendly, and of Ukraine (although it’s debatable. The people are native, but duped), Moldova partially, but there, it seems to me, something can be fixed. But before Cuba, we really are to blame. This must be urgently corrected. We are not to blame for North Africa, but we also urgently need to fix it. What we do.
      3. Dimka999
        Dimka999 17 October 2015 20: 50 New
        +5
        Someone there said that Russia is a regional power .... Is it in the United States?
        1. Senior manager
          Senior manager 18 October 2015 10: 05 New
          +5
          Dimka999,
          А я бы не стал спорить, что Россия "региональная держава". Кнопку нажали моряки и регион Ближнего востока стал более дружественным. А там, чем черт не шутит, и регион Европа станет лояльнее. Нам ведь много не надо, только чтобы соседи в нашем регионе прилично себя вели, от Гибралтара до Берингова пролива и от Нордкапа до Иоганесбурга.
          1. SANAY
            SANAY 19 October 2015 08: 37 New
            +2
            А не надо спорить. Вас термин "региональная держава" обижает? Такить враги нас так специально унизить хотят. На заборе тоже много чего написано... Делами надобно доказывать, а из далека дразниться любой противный мальчик может, ну пакостить втихаря. Чем леприконоамериконы и гадят нам. А вообще-то америка погрязла в гордыне и прочих грехах...
        2. Rarahin
          Rarahin 19 October 2015 10: 06 New
          +3
          Of course - regional.
          After all, Russia represents its interests in all regions of the world laughing
      4. SANAY
        SANAY 19 October 2015 08: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Bone
        The Americans were once again convinced that Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!

        Akromya, as in their Army and Navy, there is no one to hope for. Everything is just terrifying, or the enemies will really tie a shroud to us, or we will take military-space scissors and we’ll cut that shirt at a seam. And we don’t seem to give offense to others now. If only political will remained at the same level.
      5. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 19 October 2015 11: 42 New
        0
        It has always been and will be !!!!
    2. SeAl2014
      SeAl2014 17 October 2015 06: 48 New
      21
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      American umbrella, shock and awe !!!

      "Отважный наступающий задом скунс" - мне больше нравится.
      1. severniy
        severniy 17 October 2015 09: 07 New
        36
        Cool written .. Patriotic ...
        Oh, when I get my hands on GDP, I’m proud to read the news too ...
        1. AlexTires
          AlexTires 17 October 2015 11: 04 New
          +1
          If they reach ... I doubt that the decision on the new deadline was made positively ....
        2. Firstvanguard
          Firstvanguard 17 October 2015 16: 55 New
          10
          Quote: severniy
          Oh, when I get my hands on GDP, I’m proud to read the news too ...

          В нынешних реалиях, у президента очень мало полномочий во внутренней политике, хорошо если 1/10 есть от тех полномочий, что имел в свое время генеральный секретарь. Люди брюзжащие на ВВП в свете обстановки внутри нашей страны, либо этого не знают, либо пользуются незнанием других. Для меня лично, вообще большая загадка, как ВВП удалось то, что удалось во внутренней политике. Я конечно понимаю, что основная часть этой "движухи" скрыта от глаз простого смертного, можно лишь догадываться, каким образом это происходит. Предполагаю, что основной инструмент, это игра на противоречиях между постЕБНовскими олигархами, в руках которых после ЕБНа сосредоточилась реальная власть внутри страны.
    3. SSR
      SSR 17 October 2015 09: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names. Just mess up much.

      Очень много в статье понравилось, но один момент "резанул"....

      But if such a decision were made, someone from the Daily Star Sunday would ask the British military pilots if they were ready to fight with our Su-30SM on their Tornado?

      Если бы такое решение было принято, то НАШИ авиаторы узнали про это после удара в спину из под тишка и если удар не удался то наглосаксы сообщили бы об ошибке и что больше не повторится а в случае успешной атаки в "спину", объявили бы о угрозе их самолетам и принятому решению "сопротивляться"...... Тут и пиар и прочая гниль англосаксов, типа их торнадо круче Су-30-ть.
    4. gigiperfetto
      gigiperfetto 17 October 2015 23: 30 New
      +3
      - Да ракеты у них не того "калибра"оказались, панимашь!!!(R) laughing
    5. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 19 October 2015 13: 32 New
      0
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      how many big names ... American umbrella, shock and awe !!! and pressed a little, right into the bushes.

      There, in the bushes, they just experience shock and awe. Calibrated)))
  2. noWAR
    noWAR 17 October 2015 06: 08 New
    62
    Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.
    1. udincev
      udincev 17 October 2015 09: 48 New
      +5
      And it’s not that the capitals of Europe didn’t understand before that when they deploy American military bases, including those with a nuclear arsenal, they automatically become targets themselves. Of course, they understood. But this awareness was somehow virtual, or something
      It's just that when Russia’s rockets are rusty, decommissioned and cardboard tanks, it’s not scary to somehow be cool targets ...
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 17 October 2015 13: 22 New
        +3
        But they were warned: the response to NATO’s eastward expansion and the deployment of a global missile defense system at our borders will be asymmetric!
        I like our asymmetric answers!
        1. anip
          anip 17 October 2015 16: 01 New
          -21
          Quote: Dembel 77
          I like our asymmetric answers!

          What are some answers? Transometric?
    2. remy
      remy 17 October 2015 13: 01 New
      +5
      here's another topic
    3. Insurgent LC
      Insurgent LC 18 October 2015 19: 14 New
      +6
      probably forgotten
    4. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 19 October 2015 13: 34 New
      0
      Quote: noWAR
      Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.

      They speak correctly in Russia - do not wake a sleeping bear !!!
  3. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 06: 12 New
    -49
    List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
    The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 17 October 2015 07: 58 New
      17
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur.

      Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 17 October 2015 09: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: EvgNik
        Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.


        Competent commentary, Evgeny Nikolaevich. yes hi
      2. Manul
        Manul 17 October 2015 12: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: EvgNik
        Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.

        Only the numbers of the Caliber range are constantly scratching something. It seems like it was said at first that the usual one flies at 1500, and at 2600 - with YaBCh.
        And explain someone else repeat . Why does the Caliber work for sea targets only up to 300 km, what is the reason? Are these two different missiles and because of target designation capabilities? If not, is a combined flight possible, first over land, and then over the surface of the water to the target.
        1. kuz363
          kuz363 17 October 2015 15: 11 New
          +3
          It seems to be explained that such a difference is due to the mobility of the water target. Indeed, during the flight of the rocket, the target also changes its coordinates, unlike the ground.
        2. dali
          dali 17 October 2015 22: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Manul
          Only the numbers of the Caliber range are constantly scratching something. It seems like it was said at first that the usual one flies at 1500, and at 2600 - with YaBCh.

          We heard a jingle, but you don’t know where it is ... it was actually said that 1500 km flew THOSE 26 calibers, and maybe 2600 km ...
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 19 October 2015 11: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Manul
          Why does the Caliber work for sea targets only up to 300 km, what is the reason?

          wink The version you are writing about has a shortened shape and a heavier charge (450 kg), in addition, it is exported with minor changes, and the torpedo version should include an additional booster block to fly out from under the water.
          Well, of course - what country will the TTX in its armament issue to everyone? Only developers know about everything - maybe the engines are more efficient, maybe the fuel and tanks are additional. I assume that the marine version flies on 2,9 M more than the land, this allows you to level most of the protection of ships.
          1. Manul
            Manul 21 October 2015 07: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            The option you are writing about has a shortened shape and a heavier charge (450 kg)

            So all the same, these are two different missiles? request
    2. kuguar7777
      kuguar7777 17 October 2015 08: 08 New
      +8
      And the people of these countries in their entirety agree with the militant rhetoric of their government? Ukraine is not an example? And even if they decide, then http://topwar.ru/56745-boytes-razbudit-russkogo.html
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 October 2015 09: 12 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?
      Bomb with impunity from afar (American / cowboy!) - more than enough!
      But to Fight (!) With us - something is not particularly many people who want to ...
      Даже янкесы хотят, чтобы это было сделано чужими руками. Потому как, одно дело -- в тире *развлекаться*, и совсем другое дело -- "сжав очко и покрываясь холодным потом" по бункерам и бомбоубежищам прятаться и молоться, чтобы ББ (БЧ,КАБ и т.п.) мимо пролетели и не попали в тебя (*себя*, горячо и нежно любимого!)
    4. severniy
      severniy 17 October 2015 09: 12 New
      17
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing


      Plyusanul, although I do not agree. And on what articles to raise patriotism? About Nemtsov or Chubais? Or is any article for cheers screaming bad? Nah, well written, let the youth at least be proud of something.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 17 October 2015 09: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: severniy
        let the youth be proud of something.


        Dear Alexei, in addition to patriotic articles, in order for young people to be proud, it would be nice to think of at least some state policy in order to educate this very patriotism. But for some reason, in addition to the growth in the number of night clubs, I do not observe other elements of youth policy, unfortunately.

        Somehow for some reason, Dear. hi
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 11: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: severniy
        Plyusanul, although I do not agree. And on what articles to raise patriotism? About Nemtsov or Chubais?

        Overfed by propaganda is one thing and therefore ..
    5. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 09: 53 New
      -25
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?

      Well all crying ..ur patriots over the Urals woke up hold on Kolyamba .. laughing
    6. Setrac
      Setrac 17 October 2015 10: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur ..

      At the moment, only the United States can fight on equal terms with Russia.
      1. Dryulea
        Dryulea 19 October 2015 14: 43 New
        0
        Are you sure about that?
    7. Altona
      Altona 17 October 2015 11: 22 New
      +8
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..

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      Оружие иногда неплохо показательно применять, демонстрировать на публику так сказать...А насчёт воевать, то натовские стратеги уже начали проговариваться насчёт какой то "неконвенциональной войны" и войны с применением "тактического ядерного удара"...С такими разговорами можно далеко зайти и пришлось показательно применить таблетку от такой болезни...
    8. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 17 October 2015 16: 39 New
      +4
      That's just what they fight, they don’t want to. Because we honestly have to, in full growth, but no one is ready for this.
    9. dali
      dali 17 October 2015 22: 18 New
      0
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur ..

      Ждем'с lol ... list !!!
    10. lopvlad
      lopvlad 18 October 2015 03: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?


      Well, let's list the countries that are ready to receive a nuclear tactical weapon strike on their territory, even hypothetically? No idiots.
      Many people want to destroy Russia but with the wrong hands, but they themselves don’t fight. As for the Anglo-Saxons, they used to fight with the enemy either with the wrong hands or bribing elites from ancient times.
      By strangers, I mean pirates, terrorists, and other rubbish which, in the case of a sheher, like cockroaches scatter to different countries to lick their wounds and when they go out they gather again.
    11. Kunar
      Kunar 18 October 2015 09: 40 New
      +9
      News from the fields))))))
      1. segamegament
        segamegament 18 October 2015 10: 28 New
        +7
        Это просто у нас "котловары" опытные...
      2. SMikhalych
        SMikhalych 19 October 2015 13: 40 New
        0
        It seems that ISIS and APU have the same commanders.

        But vague guesses torment me what : it seems that the LPR-DPR and Syria have the same military advisers good
    12. DMB_95
      DMB_95 18 October 2015 13: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing

      Охрипнуть от "УРА!" не так уж недостойно,как вы думаете. Для сотен тысяч наших погибших за Родину предков это было последнее, что они успели сделать перед смертью...
  4. venaya
    venaya 17 October 2015 06: 16 New
    +4
    There are only two options: either continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit down at a round table and negotiate,

    What's wrong! They will not agree with us, it is not profitable for them. But the arms race is not profitable for us. I think, and it is obvious to me that a third, fourth way is needed, and any one that can give us the most positive result.
  5. sl22277
    sl22277 17 October 2015 06: 19 New
    15
    Санкции, списки, эмбарго, любая подлость и провокация, вот оружие США.Но прямой конфликт вряд ли возможен, "кишка тонка".Применение ракет "Калибр"показало ,что и у России есть высокоточное оружие.Немного остудило "Горячие головы". В основном СМИ и некоторых сенаторов,военные думаю и так об этом знали.Произошла демонстрация этого оружия,правда уже не на "учебных целях".
  6. shinobi
    shinobi 17 October 2015 06: 30 New
    19
    The Yankees in the military doctrine prescribe maximum one-time losses of personnel in hostilities. If they exceed the 10% limit at the planning stage, the United States simply will not start fighting. An attack on the Russian Federation will give 30% of losses only in the first day of a clash, and this is at a 7-10-fold advantage spelled out there. There will be not just a direct conflict, but most likely even a mediated one.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 17 October 2015 10: 04 New
      +8
      Quote: shinobi
      .Attack on the Russian Federation will give 30% of losses only in the first day clashes and this is with a 7-10-fold superiority of those registered there


      Hmm ... where did the firewood come from ??? That's all - paper calculations ... it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...

      Не нужно поддаваться пустой эйфории, нужно продолжать идти тем же путем - вооружать и оснащать армию и флот и проводить свою политику, не взирая на вопли "мирового цивилизованного общества!...
    2. cniza
      cniza 17 October 2015 16: 29 New
      +4
      They will try to do everything with the wrong hands, they themselves are frankly afraid.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 17 October 2015 18: 31 New
        +1
        Они не боятся потерь, они боятся свои "рейтинги" потерять. Их просто не переизберут, и их партии потеряют популярность. hi
        Because of the sanctions under the Euro leaders, the seats are cracking.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 October 2015 06: 38 New
    10
    or continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit down at a round table and negotiate

    In this situation, both are necessary. By the way, the GDP once said that Russia would not be drawn into an arms race, as it was in the USSR, we will find another asymmetric answer. Therefore, of course, negotiations are needed, but you should not forget about the army and navy.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 17 October 2015 14: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      By the way, the GDP once said that Russia would not be drawn into an arms race, as it was in the USSR, we will find another asymmetric answer.



      Yesterday I read one analytics - I didn’t get into it yesterday, so I digested it ...

      Assad, of the 370 thousand so-called faithful bayonets declared somewhere in the region, is now about 75-80 thousand ... Why is he glad of almost any help ...

      With tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, airplanes, helicopters and air defense systems - a complete ass ... There were 1500 tanks, left with a gulkin nose ... More or less modern IS vehicles and the opposition burned, now the remaining T-55 are worth its weight in gold ...

      There was infa that Russia is preparing an express train with T-72 and BMP-2, and not only elite special forces arrived from Castro, but also the crews of tanks.

      Something was also silent about strengthening our air group ... The problem, apparently, is how to get them there now ... Air hooliganism, as was done earlier, is unlikely to pass ...
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      2. DobryAAH
        DobryAAH 17 October 2015 15: 08 New
        +4
        Something was also silent about strengthening our air group ... The problem, apparently, is how to get them there now ... Air hooliganism, as was done earlier, is unlikely to pass ...

        I think there aren’t so many goals there that the air group should be increased, everything needs to be explored, where are some warehouses, it also takes time. ISIS entrenched in settlements under the guise of a peacekeeper. Here helicopter pilots, apparently, need to be added, but this is more dangerous, they can most likely be shot down. Option one is to hollow out the supply of ammunition and destroy their oil financing system. And also, I think, ours saw that the threads of help to the Shaitans lead to the SA, Jordan, Turkey and Qatar, and pecking at them is already more serious. Well, the United States also helps our enemies with arms, and our aircraft and flyers can be delivered through the straits.
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 17 October 2015 07: 09 New
    23
    Russia has always won in battles and lost in the information war. It’s time to learn.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 17 October 2015 07: 25 New
      22
      In the information war, as a rule, the one who says the truth loses, because it is limited to it. A liar has the opportunity to say what they want to hear from him.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 17 October 2015 20: 18 New
        +2
        Wiruz

        I would like to object to you.

        What you said is just the visible part of the iceberg.

        It’s actually hard to lie. Because you must have allies to confirm this lie. This ally must be kept dependent, in fear. In this way, communities are formed.

        It’s easy to tell the truth as long as you are independent, i.e. strong. He who speaks the truth does not need allies. Therefore, communities are not created in truth. A voluntary agreement to support the truth, not held together by motivation, does not last long.

        Such is the struggle of opposites.
    2. dr.star75
      dr.star75 17 October 2015 07: 28 New
      +7
      Ну сейчас если и проигрывает, то не всухую. Если у одной страны все "самые авторитетные и правдивые, и совсем независимые сми" а у нас только раша тудей, сложно с ними бороться, чисто шапками закидывают, но курочка по зернышку...
  9. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 17 October 2015 07: 20 New
    15
    ... after a demonstration of the capabilities of the Caliber-NK missile system, it is not difficult to get a sense of what one of the possible asymmetric responses of the Russian side might be. Let's face it: depressing!
    Да Уж. "Парни вы" попали. Может быть и думали и гадали, но когда случилось не поверили. И это только толика того, что ещё у нас есть. Шок и ужас. Нет у России не выполнимых задач.Противодействовать взводу русских солдат — лютый, кровавый конец. Они дерутся до конца, до последнего патрона, а когда кончаются боеприпасы — пускают в ход все, что есть под руками. Смертельно ранил русского? Не трогай его, скорее всего, перед смертью — он зажал собой гранату без чеки. Русские изобретательны, обладают прекрасной интуицией. И… Пофигисты. Самолёт прилетел? Ничего, собьют саперной лопаткой. Танк? Ничего, если не сломаны руки. Бойцы, ни разу не державшие СВД, в критический момент способны попасть из неё на пределе дальности. И неважно, что это был последний патрон, будут бить врага самой винтовкой. Тактика и стратегия? Запросто! Любым составом, от армии до полуживого калеки, держащего в одиночку роту противника. Русские, не способны отступать. А если отступают — будьте уверены, они просто бегут за патронами. Бойтесь с..и! Мы непобедимы!
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 17 October 2015 07: 37 New
    +6
    It’s unlikely that we’ll fight openly, our hands are untied there to the point of nuclear weapons, but what ... they’ll call barbarians and savages anyway ... but they didn’t stop and do not stop crap and dirty work for a single day.
  11. Nymp
    Nymp 17 October 2015 08: 00 New
    +7
    Если у кое-кого мозги не в состоянии проанализировать, ну хотя бы придупреждения Путина про то, что у нас есть чем ответить на расширение ихних ПРО на восток, то тогда запуск "калибра" по ИГИЛ можно считать подзатыльником двоечнику-ученику. И пусть радуются, что для такой процедуры России не пришлось избрать натовские базы скажем в Польше! ИГИЛ их в этом смысле спас, пусть задумаются!
  12. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 17 October 2015 08: 15 New
    +5
    Gauges calibrated brains ... One thing, says more than a thousand words. Let them cry on.
  13. Tusv
    Tusv 17 October 2015 08: 16 New
    +8
    If it is possible to improve the characteristics of the engine and fuel, reduce the weight parameters of the "electronic brains", who knows how far the 3M-14 will fly ...

    So this King of the bird turns out, which is already armed with Swans - x101 / x102 and can be hung on Bears. These birds are real shock and awe and not quoted
  14. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 17 October 2015 08: 22 New
    +6
    Господа "партнеры" матушки России, если у вас температура, мы можем предложить вам простой уксусный компресс. Но вот если у вас горячие головы и температура не понижается, то компресс, предложенный нами будет большего КАЛИБРА и состав его компонентов, существенно изменится. Поверьте, уксусом там пахнуть не будет, для вас это будет пахнуть пипецом!!!
    1. orphan 63
      orphan 63 17 October 2015 09: 54 New
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      Quote: SPB 1221
      Господа "партнеры" матушки России



      Quote: SPACE
      Many secrets are hidden in the Kremlin and if they are not accessible to foreign intelligence, then even for patriots, communists, liberals


      1. orphan 63
        orphan 63 17 October 2015 10: 00 New
        +9
        laughing Well, appendage


        I am more and more inclined to believe that Taburetkin played the role of a screen / cover. And Vasiliev is just a performer’s love affair lol
        1. ssn18
          ssn18 17 October 2015 13: 39 New
          0
          "Сколько таких контейнеров...."

          This is a great mystery.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 17 October 2015 20: 15 New
          -2
          Quote: Orphan 63
          I am more and more inclined to believe that Taburetkin played the role of a screen / cover. And Vasiliev is just a love excess of the artist lol

          Смотри-ка +4 и ни одного "-",а прошлый год мне за такое предположение с десяток минусов поставили.Неужто думать начали? lol
        3. Dryulea
          Dryulea 19 October 2015 14: 54 New
          +1
          It doesn’t happen, Shoigu came and immediately rearmament, modernization, etc. Such a sharp breakthrough in the military-industrial complex could not happen from scratch.
      2. onix757
        onix757 17 October 2015 10: 02 New
        0
        "Мы не собираемся уходить от либерального, прямо могу сказать, курса в сфере валютного регулирования"
        Putin

        Probably wait for the consequences ..
      3. SMikhalych
        SMikhalych 19 October 2015 13: 45 New
        0
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/148/jkxi696.jpg

        It would be nice inside Mother Russia itself ... starting with DAM bully
      4. ram89
        ram89 19 October 2015 16: 04 New
        -1
        Putin is definitely clever - practically lead to collapse, to confuse the population with all sorts of military nonsense. He is great !!! And now for the points:
        - about the Kiev junta, what is the most junta in the language of namoloa? What did she cursed want to snatch from the Russian Federation, what kind of land? (Logically, it turns out that Kiev was nonsense, and they took the Crimea’s GDP)
        - Who are friends of the Russian Federation. Who! Iran, Assad, and all, what are such a half of the globe?
        - As for the products - the West eats and laughs at the Russian Federation, at least 80% of the domestic cheese is frankly woof --- oh.
        - Our genius is wetting some basmachi, pay money to another Caucasian
        - Here he is silent again)))
  15. SPACE
    SPACE 17 October 2015 08: 35 New
    +1
    as Vladimir Putin noted in a recent interview with Vesti, foreign intelligence does not need to know everything.

    Много тайн скрыто в Кремле и если иностранным разведкам они недоступны то и для патриотов, коммунистов, либералов подавно. После развала СССР многие уехали на запад, а вот кто, вот это вопрос и зачем, в каких сферах и сколько забугорного бизнеса работает под прикрытием в том числе в темную и как самофинансируеться разведовательные и все прочие операции и по дезинформации тоже, ведь на "все", никакой тайной статьи бюджета нехватит, кто дергает за нитки))) Нынче в условиях взаимообмена экономическими и информационными суверенитетами, он может быть только в кабинетах Кремля и всех прочих профильных министерств и ведомств, на территории интересных воинских частей, штабов, бункерах РВСН, боеголовках АПЛ, рубках крейсеров и бомболюках стратегов, но это нормально...
  16. Gray 43
    Gray 43 17 October 2015 08: 37 New
    +3
    Shtatniks will not attack us, they will set mongrels and, based on this, they will calculate the percentage of losses. It seems that all the recent wars with us Westerners started only a herd, but not alone
  17. northerner lech
    northerner lech 17 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +4
    Maybe this joke was here, but I repeat. Why did the Russians start the war and ig? They were offended that Obama called ig the main threat, and put Russia in second place, so the Russians and urinate ig to become the first. And what about the third threat, Ebola? Then they will take care of it, how should it be dried and calibrated.
  18. AUL
    AUL 17 October 2015 09: 20 New
    +3
    Here I figured a circle with a radius of 2600 km from Kaliningrad. Impressive!
  19. smith7
    smith7 17 October 2015 09: 27 New
    14
    Господа-товарищи патриоты! Поменьше шапкозакидательства. Все не плохо, это подтверждено. Но есть и узкие места в нашем "хозяйстве". Это тоже факт. Не забудем же об этом, умерим патриотический пыл и возьмемся за работу. Каждый на своем месте. Для примера проблема: Система образования, списанная у наших западных партнеров, воспитывает людей не приспособленных мыслить комплексно и не мотивированных на решение творческих задач. Еще лет десять и мы сами не поймем в какой "заднице" наша экономика. И это далеко не единственный "косяк".
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 17 October 2015 18: 23 New
      0
      and there is!!!
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  21. Stinger
    Stinger 17 October 2015 09: 29 New
    +1
    Who can answer. Why at the mention of the Islamic State group is always necessarily added (prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation)? Is there still no forbidden or are afraid to offend the Americans?
  22. Stinger
    Stinger 17 October 2015 09: 42 New
    +2
    No need to fall into euphoria. Although, there is some truth. And the states have never fought on their territory, so they will never understand us. As one of the heroes of the adventures of the “gallant soldier Hasek” said, playing cards in the dugout with officers: “The enemy is cunning and treacherous! Fire!" So watch out!
  23. PValery53
    PValery53 17 October 2015 09: 42 New
    0
    Россия выставила "аргумент", против которого невозможно отказаться. - Если Запад захочет повоевать с Россией, то все "действия" будем сразу проводить на их территории. Им должно "понравиться".
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 October 2015 09: 53 New
    +3
    Liberasts and their economic part in the government should pray every day so that the GDP does not take up internal affairs. For when it comes to, with its effectiveness, transplant this shobla - instantly. At present, IMHO, he simply does not have enough time and energy both here and there. True, food independence was quietly managed to be organized.
  25. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 17 October 2015 09: 54 New
    0
    Кто захочет,а кто не захочет и с кем воевать, суть вопроса не в этом ,а не "просмотрели" ли мы с Вами начало новых "качелей", то есть нового витка гонки вооружений? Они что будут сидеть молчать в "тряпочку"? Не думаю и похоже вскоре мы узнаем что нибудь об эдакой их новой "Вундервафле"!
  26. veksha50
    veksha50 17 October 2015 09: 57 New
    0
    "садиться за круглый стол и договариваться, например, о снижении порога противостояния, on the withdrawal of American and NATO structures from our borders и вообще о новом формате международных отношений"...

    Не будут они решать эти вопросы... Цинично говоря, для того, чтобы признать необходимость решения таких вопросов, нужно иметь здравый рассудок, который должен посоветовать "гегемону" снизить напор своих амбиций... А судя по в.ы.с.ерам американских политиков - здравого рассудка там уже давно и ни у кого нет...

    And we don’t need to throw caps ... The confrontation is just beginning in real time, and we are not yet so strong as to confront the United States and NATO ...

    And the author even mentioned that the USA is afraid of North Korea, which supposedly either has carriers or not ... The USA is not afraid of them, because until the Koreans prepare their missiles for launch, they can be smashed (PU) to the nines and ashes a hundred times ... There is readiness - over a day ...
  27. Fox_1959
    Fox_1959 17 October 2015 11: 39 New
    +3
    SONG OF ROCKERS

    Slowly rockets float away
    They cannot be stopped already
    And although America is a little sorry
    We need to win!

    Chorus:
    Tablecloth, tablecloth
    Chlorine picrin
    And gets under the gas mask
    Everyone, everyone believes in the best,
    Falling, falling nuclear bomb.

    A landmine flies, sways,
    Three meters left to the ground,
    In vain, buddy, you dig into the ground,
    Do not get away from the shock wave!

    Maybe we offended someone in vain,
    Dropping 115 megatons ...
    Now let the earth burn and melt
    Where the Pentagon used to rule!

    (Ships entered our harbor. Issue 5. M., Dragonfly, 2001.)
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 17 October 2015 18: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Fox_1959
      SONG OF ROCKERS



      You sing this song at home ...

      I gave the Strategic Missile Forces 25 years of my life ..

      А Вы выдали из серии "В нашу гавань заходили корабли"... Хохотушки и реальность - далеко не однозначные вещи... Смейся и дальше, паяц...

      P.S. Кстати, не у одного меня такие претензии.. Вроде бы форум называется "Военное обозрение" и должен привлекать воинов, а все время приходится сталкиваться с анонимными минусовщиками... Это - не по воински... Кто минусовал, не объяснив своей позиции - тому стыд и позор !!!
  28. Yurmix
    Yurmix 17 October 2015 11: 56 New
    +4
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Well, all .. the patriots of the Urals woke up to hold on to Kolyamba ..

    And what a patriot hurray is bad? not a white puppy, screaming that a dog will be better for us. Take the same Caliber, but they can be filled with everything on earth, in the sky, and at sea, now we launch in bulk from all the installations that we have without fail on the super American missile defense system, well, naturally on command posts. And since the much-praised missile defense system cannot even protect itself, this is already the finish line, the next intercontinental launch without barriers. This is a crude example, of course, but why not, with such weapons in Russia one must be a patriot.
  29. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 17 October 2015 12: 54 New
    +1
    Caliber on paper exclusivity of bloody messengers.
  30. pts-m
    pts-m 17 October 2015 14: 18 New
    +1
    only with such “sticks” under the name ... caliber ... you can drive all this western fucking brotherhood to the negotiating table.
  31. PValery53
    PValery53 17 October 2015 14: 40 New
    -1
    Получается, что Васильева - Пердюков - какой-то зюндер-мундер, получается?!. - Закулиса играет на пользу России ?!". - ну, вы, блин, даЁте!
  32. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 17 October 2015 14: 41 New
    +2
    Ребята,а ведь небольшие катера по нашим европейским рекам с "Калибром" или аналогичным вооружением,это то же самое,что поезда "Баргузины" со стратегами.Кто знает,с какой речки или озера пойдёт залп по Европе.А отследить их очень трудно,особенно замаскированные под баржи или гражданские катера.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 17 October 2015 15: 19 New
      +1
      Yes, yes, and all sorts of bulk carriers, tankers and other barges. It may even be better than a DBC. In winter, you only have to stand motionless. Even secrecy is easier to observe when navigating rivers, reservoirs, and lakes within Russia. This creates competition for strategic nuclear forces, the ground coordinates of which are known to all. And give out the form as for ordinary river sailors, so as not to stand out from the whole mass. And let thousands of ships be identified from satellites and rack their brains, changing flight tasks every day!
  33. kuz363
    kuz363 17 October 2015 15: 05 New
    +2
    As for the range, other figures were given. That with a conventional head flies 1600 km, with a nuclear - 2500 km. And here 4000 km!
    1. cniza
      cniza 17 October 2015 16: 35 New
      +4
      No one will say the real characteristics and correctly.
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  34. RUS33
    RUS33 17 October 2015 18: 43 New
    0
    Quote: noWAR
    Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.

    This is not even a shark., Teeth are much larger ... and what !!!
  35. Edvagan
    Edvagan 17 October 2015 19: 09 New
    0
    in their pants they have shock and awe
  36. Old26
    Old26 17 October 2015 19: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Manul
    Are these two different missiles and because of target designation capabilities? If not, is a combined flight possible, first over land, and then over the surface of the water to the target.

    Yes, two different, even three different missiles. Combined flight is not possible. Yes and pointless
  37. mrpumlin
    mrpumlin 18 October 2015 00: 42 New
    -8
    They got stuck in Ukraine, now they’ve gotten into the Middle East.

    Ukrainians and many Russians in Ukraine have already been set against us. And now they are poisoning the Arab and Muslim worlds (they write that many forums in Muslim countries are drowning in hatred for Russia).

    We are being pulled on two fronts, our resources are being burned before the future Great NATO-Russia War of the early twenties.

    Lord have mercy! We will again have millions and millions of victims ...
  38. mrpumlin
    mrpumlin 18 October 2015 00: 56 New
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    Quote: veksha50
    Не будут они решать эти вопросы... Цинично говоря, для того, чтобы признать необходимость решения таких вопросов, нужно иметь здравый рассудок, который должен посоветовать "гегемону" снизить напор своих амбиций... А судя по в.ы.с.ерам американских политиков - здравого рассудка там уже давно и ни у кого нет...

    And we don’t need to throw caps ... The confrontation is just beginning in real time, and we are not yet so strong as to confront the United States and NATO ...


    Exactly.

    A.1. Today, there are a lot of people in the political and foreign policy circles of the United States — bezpolozdelniki, gopnik. This may be a natural degradation of the American system, but it may very well be purposeful.

    Можно предположить что "некто" таким образом пытается создать в нужных сферах некую критическую массу людей пусть недалеких, но дело свое знающих, а главное - готовых к риску и авантюре.

    What for? To repeat the success of Reagan, who destroyed the USSR. Now - already in relation to the Russian Federation.

    The United States has two real adversaries: Russia and China. But if China is an adversary partner, without which the United States can’t live yet, then without Russia (capable of destroying them physically, by the way) they will be happy to do. That is, their immediate goal is Russia.

    A.2. The confrontation really is just beginning and we are really weak - and how much! Ukraine has clearly shown everything.

    We only had enough in the Crimea. Although without Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk the new Union will not take place. And Kazakhstan has already begun to drift from us towards colonial dependence on China ...

    Will we become significantly stronger by the beginning of the Great War of NATO - Russia (obviously, in the early 20s)? Time will tell. But for now, somehow it’s very disturbing ...
  39. mrpumlin
    mrpumlin 18 October 2015 01: 16 New
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    Has the plane arrived? Nothing, knock down a sapper blade. Tank? Nothing if hands are not broken. Fighters who have never held SVD at a critical moment are able to get out of it at the limit of range. And it does not matter that this was the last cartridge, they will beat the enemy with the rifle itself. Tactics and strategy? Easy! By any composition, from the army to the half-dead cripple, holding alone the company of the enemy. Russians are not able to retreat. And if you retreat - be sure, they just run after the cartridges. Fear with ... and! We are invincible!


    I agree. Let me develop.

    So maybe we, in this case, do not need to maintain an army? Expensive after all. Why splurge? Enough border guards. And if only the adversary decides (not otherwise having smoked himself, but why is he certain that he will die?) - so if he decides, we will mobilize a million Russian superheroes in a swoop, give them sapper shovels and SVD ...

    Although ... no. Nevertheless, it will be necessary to maintain something like detachment detachments. Of course, not in order to stand behind our soldiers - if they run back, then behind cartridges. And so that just at least someone would stop them after the Victory, he would not allow the ocean to cross in a victorious impulse and continue the offensive in some thread friendly Venezuela.
    1. KDV22
      KDV22 18 October 2015 19: 19 New
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      Yes, I repeat, after such comments to which you answered, UkroSMI clearly smelled))))
  40. mrpumlin
    mrpumlin 18 October 2015 01: 27 New
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    Quote: Gray 43
    Shtatniks will not attack us, they will set mongrels and, based on this, they will calculate the percentage of losses. It seems that all the recent wars with us Westerners started only a herd, but not alone


    Разумеется. Причем, я лично, например, думал, что они Японию вперед пустят, а вслед за ней Китай не сможет не вмешаться, чтобы не отдать Японии то, что своим считает. А американцы потом бы уже нашими "союзниками" или "миротворцами" прикинулись. Но все больше склоняюсь к мысли, что нет, они ЕВРОПОЙ готовы пожертвовать, лишь бы Россию расчленить и лишить оборонки и ядерного оружия.

    I don’t know if it’s right, but it seems that things are going there - there will be a war with Europe, with strong support from the United States. See here: http://mrpumlin.livejournal.com/62126.html
  41. Megatron
    Megatron 18 October 2015 01: 28 New
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    Today, our military-industrial complex is not the same as it was yesterday

    Actually, he is BEGINNING, he never was !! WAS DIFFICULT TIMES! am
  42. summerrg18
    summerrg18 18 October 2015 05: 05 New
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    Test, just a test
  43. Orionvit
    Orionvit 18 October 2015 07: 30 New
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    На счёт Индии не правда. Двигатели "изделие 95ТМ" на индийский заказ делали в Запорожье на "Мотор Сич" ещё до майдана. Ракеты в Королёве в корпорации Тактическое ракетное вооружение. Спецы с "Мотор Сич" вместе с Королёвцами были на испытаниях и даже привезли видео. Так вот. Индусы отстрелялись со своих ракетных катеров по надводной мишени где-то в океане, в количестве восьми ракет, вроде. Мишень это просто большой щит с сеткой на понтоне. Все попадания точно в центр мишени. Расстояние стрельб не помню, около 600 км. Когда смотрели мишень, на заднем плане по поводу точности, даже слышны не переводимые русские выражения. Стреляли без боеголовок, болванками. Все попадания в одно отверстие. Робин Гуд отдыхает. Если найду видео, выложу.
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  44. Orionvit
    Orionvit 18 October 2015 07: 58 New
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    На счёт восьми ракет, это я по моему загнул. Вроде были две, но с разных ракурсов. А вообще под Индийский заказ на "Мотор Сичи" было произведено сто восемьдесят двигателей.
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  46. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 18 October 2015 10: 17 New
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    [left] [/ left] Want and have the opportunity - different categories)))
  47. Balagan
    Balagan 18 October 2015 11: 02 New
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    Damn, and that our journalists are not very professional. Well, they would also have informed that from a reliable source it would have been known that the Russian pilots were allowed to shoot down any planes within the reach of their aircraft, regardless of the nationality of the territory over which the entot pepelats was spotted.
  48. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 18 October 2015 11: 26 New
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    It was beneficial for Washington to maintain the view that Russia, no matter how it rested, lagged behind the civilized world forever and no longer had the means or the ability to claim a significant role in the world order, and its military-industrial complex was already incapable of anything .

    At least now Obama will not turn his tongue to call us a large gas station. Choking.
  49. Navy7981
    Navy7981 18 October 2015 11: 32 New
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    "Тем более, что не так давно у нас получалось находить общий язык."
    Everything is simple. If our Armed Forces are dressed in shod clothes, equipped, trained, motivated and at the same time not only perfectly armed, but also superbly able to use all this, then we agree. Now, if the opposition fools come to power, then very soon they will begin to order us.
  50. Ngauro
    Ngauro 18 October 2015 11: 39 New
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    На любом амеровском эсминце, крылатых ракет больше, чем на всем нашем каспийском флоте. И хватит уже путать калибр в варианте ПКР с дальностью за 300 км, с калибром "море-поверхность" с дальностью несколько тысяч.