Who wants to fight with us now?




Last Sunday, referring to its own source in the British military, the London Daily Star Sunday reported that NATO pilots and British pilots flying multi-purpose Tornado fighters were entitled to attack military planes in Iraqi airspace Russia. If such a statement were made personally by the head of the British Ministry of Defense, Michael Fallon, then he probably could have been taken at face value. But since the information came from a "own source", it immediately became clear that this is most likely a propaganda fake or a primitive newspaper provocation. Moreover, it appeared at the very moment when, in the occupied Baghdad occupied by NATO members, it would be nice if Russian planes “processed” the positions of the “Islamic state” in their territory.

As far as is known, Moscow is not going to expand the air operation in the Middle East. But if such a decision were made, someone from the Daily Star Sunday would ask British military aviators if they were ready to fight with our Su-30CM on their Tornado?

Back in 2006, during the British-Indian exercise Indra Dhanush, Su-30МКИ (similar to Su-30СМ) conducted a series of training battles with the Tornado F. interceptor fighter. Mk. 3, in service with the Royal Air Force. According to the confessions of the British pilots themselves, who were given the opportunity to practice in piloting, the "drying" is significantly superior to the machines on which they had to fly. And although since that time Tornado has been modernized, Su-30CM is also far from Su-30MKI, but its more modern version, significantly improved and improved. A worthy opponent for him can be unless the American F-22 Raptor. And not in all cases, because, for example, the F-22 airborne radar, as it became known (see “NVO” from 21.08.15), is very far from perfect.

However, the “air battle for the Middle East,” so famously declared by the Daily Star Sunday, was never to be. The very next day, the United Kingdom’s Ministry of Defense officially announced that the information spread by the tabloid was completely untrue. Who would doubt that?..

Moreover. Now the Pentagon, without whose command not only an airplane, but not a single NATO field kitchen will budge, seems to agree to coordinate with the Russian Ministry of Defense regarding security in the Middle East. Although at first the Americans also wandered and hinted at some "retaliatory measures." Everything changed on October 7, when the ships of the Caspian flotilla from a distance of 1,5 thousand km, 26 launches of the Caliber-NK sea-based cruise missiles were launched at the facilities of the Islamic State group (prohibited by Russian law) in Syria.

OTHER "SHOCK AND TABLE"

Americans love to give pathetic names to their guidance documents. Exactly so - “Shock and Awe” - the US military doctrine was first called for in Iraq. For Saddam Hussein, everything ended badly, but now the Americans themselves are in some perplexity. The fact is that high-precision strikes of the Russian aviation the positions of the Islamic State and the particularly integrated Caliber-NK missile system made an indelible impression on Washington.

So strong that the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, moved from the language of international communication to a language that was not accepted in diplomacy, and the US Congress began to find out how it happened that their “world's best intelligence” overlooked everything. Moreover, she overlooked not only the concentration of forces and means of the Russian VKS (Aerospace Forces) in Syria, but also did not know that Russia had cruise missiles with a long range, although talks about the fact that Russian rocket science does not stand still. from time to time appeared in the western press.

What can I say? Firstly, as Vladimir Putin said in a recent interview with Vesti, foreign intelligence doesn’t have to know everything. Secondly, the Americans, as far as can be judged, have been driven by arrogance, brought to the point of exclusivity, as well as political engagement. It was beneficial for Washington to support the view that Russia, no matter how hard it resisted, lagged behind the civilized world forever and no longer has the means or the ability to claim a significant role in the world order, and its defense industrial complex is not capable of anything . Even the appearance at the Victory Parade in Moscow "Armata", which was made at Uralvagonzavod in just two years from scratch, even though it alarmed our foreign colleagues, but by and large didn’t affect well-established opinion.

The Caliber missile system, which is exported under the symbol Club, has a curious fate. For the first time, the 3М-14Е rocket (export version) developed for this complex was shown at the Russian Expo Arms in Nizhny Tagil back in the 2004 year. But then among her more famous sister missiles, she somehow got lost and did not make a big impression.

In the same year, 3М-14Э was shown at Defexpo India, and two years later the Indian Navy purchased 28 missiles for their surface ships and submarines. As the Club-S behaved in operation (submarine version, launch is done through a torpedo tube), there is no information. But the frigates of the Indian Navy shot out with complexes that seemed to be very bad. And as usually happens in such cases, reproaches were sent to the country of origin. But now it is clear that the matter is not in “Calibre”, it’s the Club, namely in the hands - after the 7 of October 2015, the integrated Caliber-NK missile system no longer needs advertising. And if the first number in the family of cruise missiles of this class was considered to be American Tomahawk, now its star, if not rolled, has dimmed in many ways.

Here it is necessary to clarify. If the export version of 3М-14 beats on 300 km, then adopted in Russia - on 2600 km. In normal equipment - this is 450 kg of explosive. With a nuclear warhead that is obviously lighter, the 3M-14 flies significantly further. Someone calls the order of numbers in 4 thousand. Km, others - in 5 thousand. Km. But there is no exact information, as for obvious reasons they are classified. And God forbid to promulgate them in a practical way! ..

Nevertheless, Caliber-NK has already had a noticeable impact on the geopolitical situation - in general, and in particular in the Mediterranean. In fact, it has been proved that Russia, even without fully restoring its Mediterranean squadron, is now able to provide effective resistance to the US 6 fleet, which for a quarter of a century considered these waters to be something of a resort zone.

Judge for yourself. In the Caspian, three small rocket ships of the 21 631 “Buyan-M” project (Sviyazhsk, Uglich, Velikiy Ustyug) and the patrol ship of the 11 661 “Dagestan” project are equipped with the Caliber-NK complex. In the Black Sea, such IRCs have so far two - Serpukhov and Zeleny Dol, plus a diesel submarine of the 636.3 Novorossiysk project, also armed with Caliber. Comments are probably superfluous, suffice it to note: if the 3М-14 is equipped with a special warhead, then you can work directly from the berthing wall of Sevastopol at the targets located at the Pillars of Hercules.

But who said that the current launch range of the Caliber-NK is the limit? Today, our military-industrial complex is not as miserable as it was yesterday, and the technical thought does not stand still. If you can improve the performance of the engine and fuel, reduce the weight parameters of the "electronic brains", who knows how far the 3M-14 will fly ...

In general, today the Americans led by Barack Obama were about the same situation as the Hitler generals in 1941, for whom the T-34 tank, the Katusha MLRS, the Soviet artillery, etc., were a big surprise.

UNDER AMERICAN UMBRELLA

Who wants to fight with us now?

[i] [center] The ships of the Caspian Flotilla attacked the positions of the Islamists in Syria 26 with cruise missiles. Shot from the official video of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

As already noted, “Caliber-NK” struck not only the objects of the Islamists in Syria, but also touched upon the tangential ambitions of the White House, accustomed to the role of managing director of the entire globe. The world literally froze in anticipation of a response from Washington. And after the scandalous statement by the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, in which it sounded that Russia, they say, "continues to wrap itself in an insulating shroud" from Kamchatka to the Baltic, many have the feeling that the matter is taking a serious turn. It is clear that, referring to the "shroud", the main American commander had in mind not only economic sanctions.

However, very soon, Washington slowed down to the statement of its intention to supply "its children" in Syria and Iraq with air defense weapons and other weapons. No wonder: with the enemy, who has the ability to give a decent answer, the Americans have always preferred to fight with someone else's hands. Even North Korea, which either has a carrier capable of delivering a warhead to American territory, or not, is a bluff from Comrade Kim Jong-un, trying to get round.

The only exception when the Americans are faced with a standing enemy, and then as part of a coalition - World War II. Moreover, it remains to be seen how the battle in the Ardennes would end for them if Stalin, at the request of Churchill, did not hasten the start of the East Prussian offensive operation. In addition, Werner von Braun didn’t manage to bring the V-1945 to 2 to such a state that she was able to fly over the ocean. Today, the situation is completely different, and it’s not at all a fact that the Americans are not expecting the same “surprise” with our strategic missiles as with the Caliber-NK missile system. But they were warned: the response to the expansion of NATO to the east and the deployment of a global missile defense system at our borders will be symmetrical!

And here's another noteworthy. Until the last moment the Americans behaved quite decently (after all, a great country!), Then their allies in the Atlantic bloc, especially the newly minted, often acted as instigators. Then defiantly they will begin to dig anti-tank ditches around the perimeter of their borders, then with barbed wire and Bruno's spirals to fence themselves, hinting that, they say, Russia will attack America from day to day and it would be nice for America to strike a preemptive strike ... But in recent days they have also silenced something. Even the commander-in-chief of the Lithuanian Armed Forces, Dalia Grybauskaite, who, while the American military umbrella was considered infinitely reliable, repeatedly called for Drang nach Osten to repeat, she keeps her mouth shut. Probably, he understands: no matter how much you place your allied troops on your territory, how many shrouds your shroud from NATO bases around Russia, there are no guarantees against a crushing response.

It must be assumed that he seriously thought about the real benefits of American military patronage and the rest of the Old World. And it’s not that in the capitals of Europe they didn’t understand before that, by deploying American military bases, including those with a nuclear arsenal, they automatically become targets themselves. Of course, understood. But this awareness was somehow virtual, or something, devoid of material and technical content. Now, after demonstrating the capabilities of the Caliber-NK missile system, it is not difficult to make up ideas about what one of the possible asymmetric answers of the Russian side can be. Let's face it: depressing!

So draw conclusions, gentlemen! There are only two options: either continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit at a round table and agree, for example, on lowering the threshold of opposition, on withdrawing the American and NATO structures from our borders and generally on international relations. Moreover, not so long ago we managed to find a common language.
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  1. PlotnikoffDD 17 October 2015 06: 03 New
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    Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names ... American umbrella, shock and awe !!! and pressed a little, right into the bushes. Just mess up much.
    1. Kostyar 17 October 2015 06: 27 New
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      The Americans were once again convinced that Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!
      1. Boa kaa 17 October 2015 08: 58 New
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        Quote: Bone
        Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!

        what could be one of the possible asymmetric responses of the Russian side. Let's face it: depressing!

        The author is well done! But I would correct a little:
        the answer will also be * tricky *!
        1. provincial 17 October 2015 10: 08 New
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          God forbid, but if only these “boxes” will not be sent to anyone or where, especially not to whom they will meet and mourn.
        2. Konstantin 121 17 October 2015 11: 05 New
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          Here in the photo you can clearly see why they are called mattresses.
          1. bastard 17 October 2015 11: 20 New
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            Quote: Konstantin 121
            Here in the photo you can clearly see why they are called mattresses.

            This is the American oil industry returning home.
            1. captain 17 October 2015 14: 19 New
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              I agree with the author, the volley was very successful, he slightly overwhelmed the Americans, not quite, but overwhelmed him. But I do not agree with the author about his positive assessment of Stalin's activities in assisting the Allies in the Ardennes. I think you should not lay down the lives of our soldiers, for the sake of the lives of strangers. My opinion is, the more Germans would fill them, the easier they behaved in our time.
        3. shibi 17 October 2015 16: 57 New
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          american umbrella for geyropa

      2. nnz226 17 October 2015 12: 48 New
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        And who will not give offense ?! Syria, Cuba - yes! And in the geyrop (except Belarus) there is no one to offend! Traitors and defectors are hanged, not defended! Nekhai, to the geyropu from the onslaught of the east and Africa their "big uncle" - the Americans save! And Russia from the side will see how it will look!
        1. SANAY 19 October 2015 08: 32 New
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          Quote: nnz226
          And who will not give offense ?! Syria, Cuba - yes! And in the geyrop (except Belarus) there is no one to offend! Traitors and defectors are hanged, not defended! Nekhai, to the geyropu from the onslaught of the east and Africa their "big uncle" - the Americans save! And Russia from the side will see how it will look!

          In general, it is true, but we have much more real allies. Not only Belarus, but all the former republics of the USSR, with the exception, of course, of the Baltic states, which are clearly unfriendly, and of Ukraine (although it’s debatable. The people are native, but duped), Moldova partially, but there, it seems to me, something can be fixed. But before Cuba, we really are to blame. This must be urgently corrected. We are not to blame for North Africa, but we also urgently need to fix it. What we do.
      3. Dimka999 17 October 2015 20: 50 New
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        Someone there said that Russia is a regional power .... Is it in the United States?
        1. Senior manager 18 October 2015 10: 05 New
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          Dimka999,
          And I would not argue that Russia is a "regional power." The sailors pressed the button and the Middle East region became more friendly. And there, what the hell is not joking, and the Europe region will become more loyal. After all, we don’t need much, only for the neighbors in our region to behave themselves decently, from Gibraltar to the Bering Strait and from the North Cape to Johannesburg.
          1. SANAY 19 October 2015 08: 37 New
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            But do not argue. Does the term "regional power" offend you? Enemies want to humiliate us so deliberately. A lot of things are written on the fence too ... Things need to be proved, and from the distance any nasty boy can tease, well, do it quietly. Than lepricanoamericones and crap to us. But actually, America is mired in pride and other sins ...
        2. Rarahin 19 October 2015 10: 06 New
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          Of course - regional.
          After all, Russia represents its interests in all regions of the world laughing
      4. SANAY 19 October 2015 08: 26 New
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        Quote: Bone
        The Americans were once again convinced that Russia is a country that will be able to stand up for itself, and will not give others an insult !!!

        Akromya, as in their Army and Navy, there is no one to hope for. Everything is just terrifying, or the enemies will really tie a shroud to us, or we will take military-space scissors and we’ll cut that shirt at a seam. And we don’t seem to give offense to others now. If only political will remained at the same level.
      5. Alexey-74 19 October 2015 11: 42 New
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        It has always been and will be !!!!
    2. SeAl2014 17 October 2015 06: 48 New
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      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      American umbrella, shock and awe !!!

      "A brave, upside-down skunk" - I like it more.
      1. severniy 17 October 2015 09: 07 New
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        Cool written .. Patriotic ...
        Oh, when I get my hands on GDP, I’m proud to read the news too ...
        1. AlexTires 17 October 2015 11: 04 New
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          If they reach ... I doubt that the decision on the new deadline was made positively ....
        2. Firstvanguard 17 October 2015 16: 55 New
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          Quote: severniy
          Oh, when I get my hands on GDP, I’m proud to read the news too ...

          In current realities, the president has very few powers in domestic politics, it’s good if 1/10 is of those powers that the Secretary General had at one time. People grumbling at the GDP in the light of the situation inside our country, either do not know this, or use the ignorance of others. For me personally, in general, it’s a big mystery how the GDP managed to do what was done in domestic politics. Of course, I understand that the main part of this “movement” is hidden from the eyes of a mere mortal, one can only guess how this happens. I suppose that the main tool is a game on the contradictions between postEBNovskie oligarchs, in whose hands after EBNa real power was concentrated within the country.
    3. SSR
      SSR 17 October 2015 09: 57 New
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      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      Tongue grind, do not toss bags! how many big names. Just mess up much.

      I liked a lot in the article, but one moment I "cut it" ....

      But if such a decision were made, someone from the Daily Star Sunday would ask the British military pilots if they were ready to fight with our Su-30SM on their Tornado?

      If such a decision were made, then OUR aviators would know about it after hitting him in the back from under the hush, and if the blow had failed, then the Saxon Saxons would have reported an error and would not happen again, and if they had successfully attacked the “back”, they would have announced a threat their planes and the decision to "resist" ...... There is PR and other rot of the Anglo-Saxons, such as their tornadoes are cooler than the Su-30.
    4. gigiperfetto 17 October 2015 23: 30 New
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      - Yes, the missiles they had were of the wrong "caliber", panimash !!! (R) laughing
    5. SMikhalych 19 October 2015 13: 32 New
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      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      how many big names ... American umbrella, shock and awe !!! and pressed a little, right into the bushes.

      There, in the bushes, they just experience shock and awe. Calibrated)))
  2. noWAR 17 October 2015 06: 08 New
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    Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.
    1. udincev 17 October 2015 09: 48 New
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      And it’s not that the capitals of Europe didn’t understand before that when they deploy American military bases, including those with a nuclear arsenal, they automatically become targets themselves. Of course, they understood. But this awareness was somehow virtual, or something
      It's just that when Russia’s rockets are rusty, decommissioned and cardboard tanks, it’s not scary to somehow be cool targets ...
      1. Dembel77 17 October 2015 13: 22 New
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        But they were warned: the response to NATO’s eastward expansion and the deployment of a global missile defense system at our borders will be asymmetric!
        I like our asymmetric answers!
        1. anip 17 October 2015 16: 01 New
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          Quote: Dembel 77
          I like our asymmetric answers!

          What are some answers? Transometric?
    2. remy 17 October 2015 13: 01 New
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      here's another topic
    3. Insurgent LC 18 October 2015 19: 14 New
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      probably forgotten
    4. SMikhalych 19 October 2015 13: 34 New
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      Quote: noWAR
      Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.

      They speak correctly in Russia - do not wake a sleeping bear !!!
  3. afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 06: 12 New
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    List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
    The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing
    1. EvgNik 17 October 2015 07: 58 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur.

      Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.
      1. Vladimir 1964 17 October 2015 09: 33 New
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        Quote: EvgNik
        Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.


        Competent commentary, Evgeny Nikolaevich. yes hi
      2. Manul 17 October 2015 12: 09 New
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        Quote: EvgNik
        Normal article. True, all this has been printed more than once in different versions. It was possible to miss.

        Only the numbers of the Caliber range are constantly scratching something. It seems like it was said at first that the usual one flies at 1500, and at 2600 - with YaBCh.
        And explain someone else repeat . Why does the Caliber work for sea targets only up to 300 km, what is the reason? Are these two different missiles and because of target designation capabilities? If not, is a combined flight possible, first over land, and then over the surface of the water to the target.
        1. kuz363 17 October 2015 15: 11 New
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          It seems to be explained that such a difference is due to the mobility of the water target. Indeed, during the flight of the rocket, the target also changes its coordinates, unlike the ground.
        2. dali 17 October 2015 22: 16 New
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          Quote: Manul
          Only the numbers of the Caliber range are constantly scratching something. It seems like it was said at first that the usual one flies at 1500, and at 2600 - with YaBCh.

          We heard a jingle, but you don’t know where it is ... it was actually said that 1500 km flew THOSE 26 calibers, and maybe 2600 km ...
        3. Corsair 19 October 2015 11: 55 New
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          Quote: Manul
          Why does the Caliber work for sea targets only up to 300 km, what is the reason?

          wink The version you are writing about has a shortened shape and a heavier charge (450 kg), in addition, it is exported with minor changes, and the torpedo version should include an additional booster block to fly out from under the water.
          Well, of course - what country will the TTX in its armament issue to everyone? Only developers know about everything - maybe the engines are more efficient, maybe the fuel and tanks are additional. I assume that the marine version flies on 2,9 M more than the land, this allows you to level most of the protection of ships.
          1. Manul 21 October 2015 07: 33 New
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            Quote: Corsair
            The option you are writing about has a shortened shape and a heavier charge (450 kg)

            So all the same, these are two different missiles? request
    2. kuguar7777 17 October 2015 08: 08 New
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      And the people of these countries in their entirety agree with the militant rhetoric of their government? Ukraine is not an example? And even if they decide, then http://topwar.ru/56745-boytes-razbudit-russkogo.html
    3. Boa kaa 17 October 2015 09: 12 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?
      Bomb with impunity from afar (American / cowboy!) - more than enough!
      But to Fight (!) With us - something is not particularly many people who want to ...
      Even the Yankees want this to be done by the wrong hands. Because, it’s one thing - to dash * to have fun *, and it’s another thing to “squeeze a point and cover yourself with cold sweat” to hide and pray in bunkers and bomb shelters so that BBs (warheads, cabs, etc.) fly by and did not hit you (* yourself *, ardently and dearly beloved!)
    4. severniy 17 October 2015 09: 12 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing


      Plyusanul, although I do not agree. And on what articles to raise patriotism? About Nemtsov or Chubais? Or is any article for cheers screaming bad? Nah, well written, let the youth at least be proud of something.
      1. Vladimir 1964 17 October 2015 09: 45 New
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        Quote: severniy
        let the youth be proud of something.


        Dear Alexei, in addition to patriotic articles, in order for young people to be proud, it would be nice to think of at least some state policy in order to educate this very patriotism. But for some reason, in addition to the growth in the number of night clubs, I do not observe other elements of youth policy, unfortunately.

        Somehow for some reason, Dear. hi
      2. afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 11: 09 New
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        Quote: severniy
        Plyusanul, although I do not agree. And on what articles to raise patriotism? About Nemtsov or Chubais?

        Overfed by propaganda is one thing and therefore ..
    5. afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 09: 53 New
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      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?

      Well all crying ..ur patriots over the Urals woke up hold on Kolyamba .. laughing
    6. Setrac 17 October 2015 10: 06 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur ..

      At the moment, only the United States can fight on equal terms with Russia.
      1. Dryulea 19 October 2015 14: 43 New
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        Are you sure about that?
    7. Altona 17 October 2015 11: 22 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..

      -----------------------
      Sometimes it’s good to use weapons demonstratively, to demonstrate to the public ... And as for the fight, the NATO strategists have already started talking about some kind of "unconventional war" and a war with the use of "tactical nuclear strike" ... With such conversations one can go far and I had to exponentially use a pill for such a disease ...
    8. 33 Watcher 17 October 2015 16: 39 New
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      That's just what they fight, they don’t want to. Because we honestly have to, in full growth, but no one is ready for this.
    9. dali 17 October 2015 22: 18 New
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      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur ..

      Waiting for lol ... list !!!
    10. lopvlad 18 October 2015 03: 36 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us?


      Well, let's list the countries that are ready to receive a nuclear tactical weapon strike on their territory, even hypothetically? No idiots.
      Many people want to destroy Russia but with the wrong hands, but they themselves don’t fight. As for the Anglo-Saxons, they used to fight with the enemy either with the wrong hands or bribing elites from ancient times.
      By strangers, I mean pirates, terrorists, and other rubbish which, in the case of a sheher, like cockroaches scatter to different countries to lick their wounds and when they go out they gather again.
    11. Kunar 18 October 2015 09: 40 New
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      News from the fields))))))
      1. segamegament 18 October 2015 10: 28 New
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        It’s just that we have experienced “holders” ...
      2. SMikhalych 19 October 2015 13: 40 New
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        It seems that ISIS and APU have the same commanders.

        But vague guesses torment me what : it seems that the LPR-DPR and Syria have the same military advisers good
    12. DMB_95 18 October 2015 13: 47 New
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      Quote: afdjhbn67
      List the author of the country who want to fight with us? Probably he knows .. we have weapons of course good but they are not with batons and spears ..
      The article is suitable for throat hoarseness from Ur .. laughing

      Hoarse from "Hurray!" not as unworthy as you think. For hundreds of thousands of our ancestors who died for their homeland, this was the last thing they managed to do before death ...
  4. venaya 17 October 2015 06: 16 New
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    There are only two options: either continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit down at a round table and negotiate,

    What's wrong! They will not agree with us, it is not profitable for them. But the arms race is not profitable for us. I think, and it is obvious to me that a third, fourth way is needed, and any one that can give us the most positive result.
  5. sl22277 17 October 2015 06: 19 New
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    Sanctions, lists, embargoes, any meanness and provocation, are the weapons of the United States. But direct conflict is hardly possible, the gut is thin. The use of Caliber rockets showed that Russia also has precision weapons. The Hot Heads have cooled slightly. Mostly the media and some senators, the military, I think, already knew about it. A demonstration of this weapon occurred, though it was no longer for "educational purposes."
  6. shinobi 17 October 2015 06: 30 New
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    The Yankees in the military doctrine prescribe maximum one-time losses of personnel in hostilities. If they exceed the 10% limit at the planning stage, the United States simply will not start fighting. An attack on the Russian Federation will give 30% of losses only in the first day of a clash, and this is at a 7-10-fold advantage spelled out there. There will be not just a direct conflict, but most likely even a mediated one.
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      .Attack on the Russian Federation will give 30% of losses only in the first day clashes and this is with a 7-10-fold superiority of those registered there


      Hmm ... where did the firewood come from ??? That's all - paper calculations ... it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...

      No need to succumb to empty euphoria, you need to continue along the same path - arm and equip the army and navy and pursue your own policy, regardless of the cries of "a world civilized society! ...
    2. cniza 17 October 2015 16: 29 New
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      They will try to do everything with the wrong hands, they themselves are frankly afraid.
      1. Kasym 17 October 2015 18: 31 New
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        They are not afraid of losses, they are afraid of losing their “ratings”. They simply will not be re-elected, and their parties will lose popularity. hi
        Because of the sanctions under the Euro leaders, the seats are cracking.
  7. rotmistr60 17 October 2015 06: 38 New
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    or continue in the same vein and arrange an arms race with an obvious ending, or sit down at a round table and negotiate

    In this situation, both are necessary. By the way, the GDP once said that Russia would not be drawn into an arms race, as it was in the USSR, we will find another asymmetric answer. Therefore, of course, negotiations are needed, but you should not forget about the army and navy.
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      By the way, the GDP once said that Russia would not be drawn into an arms race, as it was in the USSR, we will find another asymmetric answer.



      Yesterday I read one analytics - I didn’t get into it yesterday, so I digested it ...

      Assad, of the 370 thousand so-called faithful bayonets declared somewhere in the region, is now about 75-80 thousand ... Why is he glad of almost any help ...

      With tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, airplanes, helicopters and air defense systems - a complete ass ... There were 1500 tanks, left with a gulkin nose ... More or less modern IS vehicles and the opposition burned, now the remaining T-55 are worth its weight in gold ...

      There was infa that Russia is preparing an express train with T-72 and BMP-2, and not only elite special forces arrived from Castro, but also the crews of tanks.

      Something was also silent about strengthening our air group ... The problem, apparently, is how to get them there now ... Air hooliganism, as was done earlier, is unlikely to pass ...
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      2. DobryAAH 17 October 2015 15: 08 New
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        Something was also silent about strengthening our air group ... The problem, apparently, is how to get them there now ... Air hooliganism, as was done earlier, is unlikely to pass ...

        I think there aren’t so many goals there that the air group should be increased, everything needs to be explored, where are some warehouses, it also takes time. ISIS entrenched in settlements under the guise of a peacekeeper. Here helicopter pilots, apparently, need to be added, but this is more dangerous, they can most likely be shot down. Option one is to hollow out the supply of ammunition and destroy their oil financing system. And also, I think, ours saw that the threads of help to the Shaitans lead to the SA, Jordan, Turkey and Qatar, and pecking at them is already more serious. Well, the United States also helps our enemies with arms, and our aircraft and flyers can be delivered through the straits.
  8. Egoza 17 October 2015 07: 09 New
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    Russia has always won in battles and lost in the information war. It’s time to learn.
    1. Wiruz 17 October 2015 07: 25 New
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      In the information war, as a rule, the one who says the truth loses, because it is limited to it. A liar has the opportunity to say what they want to hear from him.
      1. gladcu2 17 October 2015 20: 18 New
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        Wiruz

        I would like to object to you.

        What you said is just the visible part of the iceberg.

        It’s actually hard to lie. Because you must have allies to confirm this lie. This ally must be kept dependent, in fear. In this way, communities are formed.

        It’s easy to tell the truth as long as you are independent, i.e. strong. He who speaks the truth does not need allies. Therefore, communities are not created in truth. A voluntary agreement to support the truth, not held together by motivation, does not last long.

        Such is the struggle of opposites.
    2. dr.star75 17 October 2015 07: 28 New
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      Well now, if he loses, then not dry. If one country has all the “most authoritative and truthful, and completely independent media” and we only have rush of people, it’s hard to deal with them, they simply throw their hats over, but the chicken is a bit ...
  9. s.melioxin 17 October 2015 07: 20 New
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    ... after a demonstration of the capabilities of the Caliber-NK missile system, it is not difficult to get a sense of what one of the possible asymmetric responses of the Russian side might be. Let's face it: depressing!
    Yeah. “You guys” hit. Maybe they thought and wondered, but when they didn’t believe it. And this is only a fraction of what else we have. Shock and horror. Russia has no impossible tasks. To oppose a platoon of Russian soldiers is a fierce, bloody end. They fight to the end, to the last bullet, and when the ammunition runs out - they use everything that is at hand. Mortally wounded a Russian? Do not touch it, most likely, before death - he clamped a grenade without a check. Russians are inventive, have great intuition. And ... Do not care. Did the plane arrive? Nothing, knock down a sapper blade. Tank? Nothing if hands are not broken. Fighters who have never held SVD at a critical moment are able to get out of it at the limit of range. And it does not matter that this was the last cartridge, they will beat the enemy with the rifle itself. Tactics and strategy? Easy! By any composition, from the army to the half-dead cripple, holding alone the company of the enemy. Russians are not able to retreat. And if they retreat, be sure they just run after the cartridges. Fear with ... and! We are invincible!
  10. Strashila 17 October 2015 07: 37 New
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    It’s unlikely that we’ll fight openly, our hands are untied there to the point of nuclear weapons, but what ... they’ll call barbarians and savages anyway ... but they didn’t stop and do not stop crap and dirty work for a single day.
  11. Nymp 17 October 2015 08: 00 New
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    If some people are not able to analyze, well, at least Putin’s warnings about the fact that we have something to answer to expand their missile defense to the east, then the launch of the “caliber” by ISIS can be considered a slap-back student. And let them rejoice that for such a procedure Russia did not have to choose NATO bases, say in Poland! ISIS saved them in this sense, let them think!
  12. Peacemaker 17 October 2015 08: 15 New
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    Gauges calibrated brains ... One thing, says more than a thousand words. Let them cry on.
  13. Tusv 17 October 2015 08: 16 New
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    If it is possible to improve the characteristics of the engine and fuel, reduce the weight parameters of the "electronic brains", who knows how far the 3M-14 will fly ...

    So this King of the bird turns out, which is already armed with Swans - x101 / x102 and can be hung on Bears. These birds are real shock and awe and not quoted
  14. SPB 1221 17 October 2015 08: 22 New
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    Gentlemen, "partners" of Mother Russia, if you have a temperature, we can offer you a simple vinegar compress. But if you have hot heads and the temperature does not drop, then the compress offered by us will be a larger CALIBER and the composition of its components will change significantly. Believe me, vinegar will not smell there, for you it will smell like pipets !!!
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      Lord "partners" mother Russia



      Quote: SPACE
      Many secrets are hidden in the Kremlin and if they are not accessible to foreign intelligence, then even for patriots, communists, liberals


      1. orphan 63 17 October 2015 10: 00 New
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        laughing Well, appendage


        I am more and more inclined to believe that Taburetkin played the role of a screen / cover. And Vasiliev is just a performer’s love affair lol
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          "How many such containers ...."

          This is a great mystery.
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          Quote: Orphan 63
          I am more and more inclined to believe that Taburetkin played the role of a screen / cover. And Vasiliev is just a love excess of the artist lol

          Look + 4 and not a single “-”, and last year they put a dozen minuses for such an assumption. Really, have you started to think? lol
        3. Dryulea 19 October 2015 14: 54 New
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          It doesn’t happen, Shoigu came and immediately rearmament, modernization, etc. Such a sharp breakthrough in the military-industrial complex could not happen from scratch.
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        "We are not going to move away from the liberal, I can tell you bluntly, exchange rate regulation"
        Putin

        Probably wait for the consequences ..
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        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/148/jkxi696.jpg

        It would be nice inside Mother Russia itself ... starting with DAM bully
      4. ram89 19 October 2015 16: 04 New
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        Putin is definitely clever - practically lead to collapse, to confuse the population with all sorts of military nonsense. He is great !!! And now for the points:
        - about the Kiev junta, what is the most junta in the language of namoloa? What did she cursed want to snatch from the Russian Federation, what kind of land? (Logically, it turns out that Kiev was nonsense, and they took the Crimea’s GDP)
        - Who are friends of the Russian Federation. Who! Iran, Assad, and all, what are such a half of the globe?
        - As for the products - the West eats and laughs at the Russian Federation, at least 80% of the domestic cheese is frankly woof --- oh.
        - Our genius is wetting some basmachi, pay money to another Caucasian
        - Here he is silent again)))
  15. SPACE 17 October 2015 08: 35 New
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    as Vladimir Putin noted in a recent interview with Vesti, foreign intelligence does not need to know everything.

    Many secrets are hidden in the Kremlin and if they are not accessible to foreign intelligence, then even for patriots, communists, liberals. After the collapse of the USSR, many left for the West, but who, this is the question and why, in what areas and how much foreign business works undercover, including in the dark and how to self-finance intelligence and all other misinformation operations, too, because "there isn’t enough any secret budget item who pulls the strings))) Today, in conditions of mutual exchange of economic and information sovereignty, it can only be in the offices of the Kremlin and all other relevant ministries and departments, on the territory of interesting military units, w Abov, bunkers RVSN warheads submarines, cruisers and bomb bays logging strategy, but it's okay ...
  16. Gray 43 17 October 2015 08: 37 New
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    Shtatniks will not attack us, they will set mongrels and, based on this, they will calculate the percentage of losses. It seems that all the recent wars with us Westerners started only a herd, but not alone
  17. northerner lech 17 October 2015 08: 48 New
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    Maybe this joke was here, but I repeat. Why did the Russians start the war and ig? They were offended that Obama called ig the main threat, and put Russia in second place, so the Russians and urinate ig to become the first. And what about the third threat, Ebola? Then they will take care of it, how should it be dried and calibrated.
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    Here I figured a circle with a radius of 2600 km from Kaliningrad. Impressive!
  19. smith7 17 October 2015 09: 27 New
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    Lord comrades patriots! Less hatred. Everything is not bad, it is confirmed. But there are bottlenecks in our "economy". This is also a fact. Let us not forget about this, we will moderate the patriotic ardor and get down to work. Each in its place. For example, the problem: The education system, written off from our Western partners, educates people who are not able to think in a complex way and who are not motivated to solve creative problems. Another ten years and we ourselves will not understand what kind of "ass" our economy is. And this is far from the only "cant".
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  21. Stinger 17 October 2015 09: 29 New
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    Who can answer. Why at the mention of the Islamic State group is always necessarily added (prohibited by the legislation of the Russian Federation)? Is there still no forbidden or are afraid to offend the Americans?
  22. Stinger 17 October 2015 09: 42 New
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    No need to fall into euphoria. Although, there is some truth. And the states have never fought on their territory, so they will never understand us. As one of the heroes of the adventures of the “gallant soldier Hasek” said, playing cards in the dugout with officers: “The enemy is cunning and treacherous! Fire!" So watch out!
  23. PValery53 17 October 2015 09: 42 New
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    Russia put forward an “argument” against which it is impossible to refuse. - If the West wants to fight with Russia, then we will immediately carry out all “actions” on their territory. They should like it.
  24. Mountain shooter 17 October 2015 09: 53 New
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    Liberasts and their economic part in the government should pray every day so that the GDP does not take up internal affairs. For when it comes to, with its effectiveness, transplant this shobla - instantly. At present, IMHO, he simply does not have enough time and energy both here and there. True, food independence was quietly managed to be organized.
  25. kartalovkolya 17 October 2015 09: 54 New
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    Who wants and who doesn’t want and with whom to fight, this is not the essence of the issue, and didn’t we “see” you and the beginning of new “swings,” that is, a new round of the arms race? Are they going to sit silent in a "rag"? I don’t think and it seems that soon we will learn something about a kind of their new “Wunderwaffle”!
  26. veksha50 17 October 2015 09: 57 New
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    "sit down at a round table and agree, for example, to lower the threshold of opposition, on the withdrawal of American and NATO structures from our borders and in general about the new format of international relations "...

    They will not solve these issues ... Cynically speaking, in order to recognize the need to resolve such issues, you need to have common sense, which should advise the "hegemon" to reduce the pressure of their ambitions ... And judging by the high-ranking experts American politicians - common sense has been there for a long time and no one has ...

    And we don’t need to throw caps ... The confrontation is just beginning in real time, and we are not yet so strong as to confront the United States and NATO ...

    And the author even mentioned that the USA is afraid of North Korea, which supposedly either has carriers or not ... The USA is not afraid of them, because until the Koreans prepare their missiles for launch, they can be smashed (PU) to the nines and ashes a hundred times ... There is readiness - over a day ...
  27. Fox_1959 17 October 2015 11: 39 New
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    SONG OF ROCKERS

    Slowly rockets float away
    They cannot be stopped already
    And although America is a little sorry
    We need to win!

    Chorus:
    Tablecloth, tablecloth
    Chlorine picrin
    And gets under the gas mask
    Everyone, everyone believes in the best,
    Falling, falling nuclear bomb.

    A landmine flies, sways,
    Three meters left to the ground,
    In vain, buddy, you dig into the ground,
    Do not get away from the shock wave!

    Maybe we offended someone in vain,
    Dropping 115 megatons ...
    Now let the earth burn and melt
    Where the Pentagon used to rule!

    (Ships entered our harbor. Issue 5. M., Dragonfly, 2001.)
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      SONG OF ROCKERS



      You sing this song at home ...

      I gave the Strategic Missile Forces 25 years of my life ..

      And you issued from the series "Ships Entered Our Harbor" ... Laughter and reality are far from certain things ... Laugh further, clown ...

      PS By the way, not only I have such claims .. It seems that the forum is called "Military Review" and should attract soldiers, but all the time you have to deal with anonymous minusculers ... This is not military ... Who minused without explaining their position - shame and shame !!!
  28. Yurmix 17 October 2015 11: 56 New
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    Well, all .. the patriots of the Urals woke up to hold on to Kolyamba ..

    And what a patriot hurray is bad? not a white puppy, screaming that a dog will be better for us. Take the same Caliber, but they can be filled with everything on earth, in the sky, and at sea, now we launch in bulk from all the installations that we have without fail on the super American missile defense system, well, naturally on command posts. And since the much-praised missile defense system cannot even protect itself, this is already the finish line, the next intercontinental launch without barriers. This is a crude example, of course, but why not, with such weapons in Russia one must be a patriot.
  29. AdekvatNICK 17 October 2015 12: 54 New
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    Caliber on paper exclusivity of bloody messengers.
  30. pts-m 17 October 2015 14: 18 New
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    only with such “sticks” under the name ... caliber ... you can drive all this western fucking brotherhood to the negotiating table.
  31. PValery53 17 October 2015 14: 40 New
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    It turns out that Vasilyeva - Perdyukov is some kind of a munder-munder, it turns out ?! “Backstage plays to Russia's advantage?!”. - Well, damn it, you give!
  32. Tambov Wolf 17 October 2015 14: 41 New
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    Guys, after all, small boats on our European rivers with Caliber or similar weapons are the same as Barguzins trains with strategists. Who knows from which river or lake volley will go across Europe. And it’s very difficult to track them, especially disguised as barges or civilian boats.
    1. kuz363 17 October 2015 15: 19 New
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      Yes, yes, and all sorts of bulk carriers, tankers and other barges. It may even be better than a DBC. In winter, you only have to stand motionless. Even secrecy is easier to observe when navigating rivers, reservoirs, and lakes within Russia. This creates competition for strategic nuclear forces, the ground coordinates of which are known to all. And give out the form as for ordinary river sailors, so as not to stand out from the whole mass. And let thousands of ships be identified from satellites and rack their brains, changing flight tasks every day!
  33. kuz363 17 October 2015 15: 05 New
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    As for the range, other figures were given. That with a conventional head flies 1600 km, with a nuclear - 2500 km. And here 4000 km!
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      No one will say the real characteristics and correctly.
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    Yes, we have teeth and that they (bad) do not nightmare the Papuans.

    This is not even a shark., Teeth are much larger ... and what !!!
  35. Edvagan 17 October 2015 19: 09 New
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    in their pants they have shock and awe
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    Are these two different missiles and because of target designation capabilities? If not, is a combined flight possible, first over land, and then over the surface of the water to the target.

    Yes, two different, even three different missiles. Combined flight is not possible. Yes and pointless
  37. mrpumlin 18 October 2015 00: 42 New
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    They got stuck in Ukraine, now they’ve gotten into the Middle East.

    Ukrainians and many Russians in Ukraine have already been set against us. And now they are poisoning the Arab and Muslim worlds (they write that many forums in Muslim countries are drowning in hatred for Russia).

    We are being pulled on two fronts, our resources are being burned before the future Great NATO-Russia War of the early twenties.

    Lord have mercy! We will again have millions and millions of victims ...
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    Quote: veksha50
    They will not solve these issues ... Cynically speaking, in order to recognize the need to resolve such issues, you need to have common sense, which should advise the "hegemon" to reduce the pressure of their ambitions ... And judging by the high-ranking experts American politicians - common sense has been there for a long time and no one has ...

    And we don’t need to throw caps ... The confrontation is just beginning in real time, and we are not yet so strong as to confront the United States and NATO ...


    Exactly.

    A.1. Today, there are a lot of people in the political and foreign policy circles of the United States — bezpolozdelniki, gopnik. This may be a natural degradation of the American system, but it may very well be purposeful.

    It can be assumed that “someone” is thus trying to create in the necessary areas a certain critical mass of people, albeit short-sighted, who know their own business, and most importantly - are prepared for risk and adventure.

    What for? To repeat the success of Reagan, who destroyed the USSR. Now - already in relation to the Russian Federation.

    The United States has two real adversaries: Russia and China. But if China is an adversary partner, without which the United States can’t live yet, then without Russia (capable of destroying them physically, by the way) they will be happy to do. That is, their immediate goal is Russia.

    A.2. The confrontation really is just beginning and we are really weak - and how much! Ukraine has clearly shown everything.

    We only had enough in the Crimea. Although without Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk the new Union will not take place. And Kazakhstan has already begun to drift from us towards colonial dependence on China ...

    Will we become significantly stronger by the beginning of the Great War of NATO - Russia (obviously, in the early 20s)? Time will tell. But for now, somehow it’s very disturbing ...
  39. mrpumlin 18 October 2015 01: 16 New
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    Has the plane arrived? Nothing, knock down a sapper blade. Tank? Nothing if hands are not broken. Fighters who have never held SVD at a critical moment are able to get out of it at the limit of range. And it does not matter that this was the last cartridge, they will beat the enemy with the rifle itself. Tactics and strategy? Easy! By any composition, from the army to the half-dead cripple, holding alone the company of the enemy. Russians are not able to retreat. And if you retreat - be sure, they just run after the cartridges. Fear with ... and! We are invincible!


    I agree. Let me develop.

    So maybe we, in this case, do not need to maintain an army? Expensive after all. Why splurge? Enough border guards. And if only the adversary decides (not otherwise having smoked himself, but why is he certain that he will die?) - so if he decides, we will mobilize a million Russian superheroes in a swoop, give them sapper shovels and SVD ...

    Although ... no. Nevertheless, it will be necessary to maintain something like detachment detachments. Of course, not in order to stand behind our soldiers - if they run back, then behind cartridges. And so that just at least someone would stop them after the Victory, he would not allow the ocean to cross in a victorious impulse and continue the offensive in some thread friendly Venezuela.
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      Yes, I repeat, after such comments to which you answered, UkroSMI clearly smelled))))
  40. mrpumlin 18 October 2015 01: 27 New
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    Of course. Moreover, I personally, for example, thought that they would push Japan forward, and after it, China could not help but intervene in order not to give Japan what it considered to be its own. And then the Americans would have pretended to be our "allies" or "peacekeepers". But I am more and more inclined to think that no, they are ready to sacrifice EUROPE, if only to dismember Russia and deprive the defense and nuclear weapons.

    I don’t know if it’s right, but it seems that things are going there - there will be a war with Europe, with strong support from the United States. See here: http://mrpumlin.livejournal.com/62126.html
  41. Megatron 18 October 2015 01: 28 New
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    Today, our military-industrial complex is not the same as it was yesterday

    Actually, he is BEGINNING, he never was !! WAS DIFFICULT TIMES! am
  42. summerrg18 18 October 2015 05: 05 New
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    Test, just a test
  43. Orionvit 18 October 2015 07: 30 New
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    At the expense of India is not true. Engines "product 95TM" for the Indian order made in Zaporozhye on the "Motor Sich" even before the Maidan. Missiles in Korolyov in the Tactical Missile Corporation. Specialists from "Motor Sich" along with the Korolevtsy were tested and even brought a video. So here. The Hindus fired from their missile boats at a surface target somewhere in the ocean, in the amount of eight missiles, sort of. A target is just a big shield with a net on the pontoon. All hits exactly in the center of the target. I don’t remember the shooting distance, about 600 km. When looking at the target, in the background about accuracy, even inexpressible Russian expressions are heard. Fired without warheads. All hits in one hole. Robin Hood is resting. If I find a video, I'll post it.
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  46. SCHNIFER 18 October 2015 10: 17 New
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    [left] [/ left] Want and have the opportunity - different categories)))
  47. Balagan 18 October 2015 11: 02 New
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    Damn, and that our journalists are not very professional. Well, they would also have informed that from a reliable source it would have been known that the Russian pilots were allowed to shoot down any planes within the reach of their aircraft, regardless of the nationality of the territory over which the entot pepelats was spotted.
  48. v.yegorov 18 October 2015 11: 26 New
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    It was beneficial for Washington to maintain the view that Russia, no matter how it rested, lagged behind the civilized world forever and no longer had the means or the ability to claim a significant role in the world order, and its military-industrial complex was already incapable of anything .

    At least now Obama will not turn his tongue to call us a large gas station. Choking.
  49. Navy7981 18 October 2015 11: 32 New
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    “Moreover, not so long ago we managed to find a common language."
    Everything is simple. If our Armed Forces are dressed in shod clothes, equipped, trained, motivated and at the same time not only perfectly armed, but also superbly able to use all this, then we agree. Now, if the opposition fools come to power, then very soon they will begin to order us.
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    On any Amer destroyer, there are more cruise missiles than on our entire Caspian fleet. And it’s enough to confuse the caliber in the RCC variant with a range of 300 km, with the sea-surface caliber with a range of several thousand.