The media, citing the Iraqi Defense Ministry: Iraqi Air Force Su-30 attacked positions of ISIS militants

Informational portal Shafaaq reports that the Russian Su-30 multi-role fighters, delivered as part of the Iraqi Air Force contract, delivered the first strikes against the positions of the militants of the so-called Islamic State. The said portal refers to the statement of the representative of the press service of the Iraqi Air Force. A spokesman for the press service notes that the strikes were inflicted on three bases of the ISIL militants in the province of Salah al-Din (northern Iraq).

In addition, it is reported that with the help of Russian planes a strike was struck on a convoy of terrorists' vehicles moving towards the city of Mosul.

In the Western media, they were quick to announce that we could talk about the start of operations of the Russian Aerospace Forces on Iraqi territory, but the Iraqi military showed a photo of a fighter with Iraqi identification marks.

Earlier, the chief editor of the magazine “National Defense” Igor Korotchenko говорил that six Su-30 airplanes may have been delivered to Iraq, which were being upgraded at the facilities of the 558 aircraft repair plant in the Belarusian city of Baranovichi.

Comments

[serg1970]

A second air front is good.

[Wiruz]

And here is the second air front? It says black and white "Su-30 Iraqi Air Force"

[serg1970]

What does the second air front have to do with it? It says "Su-30 Iraqi Air Force" in black and white fool

Against ISIS. Americans with other custodians can not be considered, only they make a look.

[Firstvanguard]

Quote: serg1970

Americans with other custodians can not be considered, only they make a look.

Not only, at least even weapons and supplies are dumped, but we can still do something dirty.

[Mujahiddin777]

Vietnam Air Force fighters also flew in Vietnam and were pilots ... However, I will write only one last name Li-Si-Tsyn

[dmi.pris1]

Read the article carefully — the enemy is something common ..

Quote: Wiruz

And here is the second air front? It says black and white "Su-30 Iraqi Air Force"

[Private IITR]

Campaign, Iraqis learned to fly the same

[222222]

No comment ...

[GSH-18]

Iraqi Air Force Su-30 attacked ISIS fighters

How wonderful. As far as everyone knows, the Su-30 (SM) is a fighter. Accordingly, he is not specifically imprisoned on the ground ... except as a cannon. He has most of the air / air missiles.
It is now used by our people in Syria to cover our bombers and attack aircraft Su-24 and Su-25, respectively.

[Wiruz]

How wonderful. As far as everyone knows, the Su-30 (SM) is a fighter. Accordingly, he is not specifically imprisoned on the ground ... except as a cannon. He has most of the air / air missiles.

Comrade Marshal. Delete the comment before it's too late. Do not disgrace

[dmi.pris1]

These "shoulder straps" cannot be smeared with your illiteracy ... In general, judging by the comments, most of the respected "generals and marshals" did not even serve in the army. I already wrote that I have a negative attitude to the idea of ​​the site leaders "to assign titles" for comments and articles. Asterisks are obtained by sweat and blood and not often demonstrating their illiteracy.Dmitry, reserve sergeant (ah, no longer, removed from the register by age)

Quote: Wiruz

How wonderful. As far as everyone knows, the Su-30 (SM) is a fighter. Accordingly, he is not specifically imprisoned on the ground ... except as a cannon. He has most of the air / air missiles.

Comrade Marshal. Delete the comment before it's too late. Do not disgrace

[GRAY]

Quote: dmi.pris

Stars then get with blood and often not a demonstration of their illiteracy.

Do not be so intolerant; it is human nature to make mistakes.

[GRAY]

Quote: GSH-18

How wonderful. As far as everyone knows, the Su-30 (SM) is a fighter. Accordingly, he is not specifically imprisoned on the ground ... except as a cannon. He has most of the air / air missiles.

Not for nothing that he is multi-purpose, he is capable of bombs and guided weapons, too.

[Wedmak]

It can’t.

Whose she can not? And OLS in front of the cabin for what? What about the radar?

[Good me]

ANKARA

ВTurkish Armed Forces shot down an aircraft with unidentified state ownership on the border with Syria, the report said on the website of the General Staff.

According to the General Staff, the Turkish fighters who patrolled the border gave three warnings to an unidentified aircraft. However, he ignored these warnings, after which he was shot down? in accordance with the rules of warfare.


Turkish Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmush in connection with the incident on the border with Syria said: “If you do not leave the territory of Turkey, the requirements of the rules of warfare will be met. According to the information we have, an aircraft with an unidentified state was shot down according to these rules. In the following minutes, in the following hours, as soon as the situation clears up, the Turkish Air Force will make a statement. ”

ANKARA, 16 Oct - RIA Novosti, Alena Palazhchenko. Published the first pictures of a drone shot down by the Turkish Air Force on Friday.

Earlier, the Turkish General Staff said that the Turkish Air Force F-16 fighters attacked and shot down an unidentified drone, three times violating the country's airspace from Syria. He fell in the province of Kilis at 2-3 kilometers from the Syrian border.

In the pictures published by Anadolu agency, it is clear that the drone fell in a wooded area. The site of the fall is surrounded by military and gendarmes.

A gray UAV no more than two meters long lies in dry grass under a tree. On board - number 2203, other inscriptions are not visible. The UAV has broken wings attached to the top of the fuselage. The case has no visible serious damage. The tail is missing.

[Wedmak]

It looks like Orlan-10.

[sinukvl]

Absolutely not like, Orlan 10 has one keel, right there it looks like a double keel recess, the cooling system’s air intake is located on the bottom of the propeller, and here on top, but the Orlan’s fuselage is more licked. Photo of Orlan 10 below.

[Wedmak]

Yes ... I agree. Somehow badly considered. Something I can’t even find the appearance of this model. Whose production is he in general?

[i80186]

Quote: Wedmak

Yes ... I agree. Somehow badly considered. Something I can’t even find the appearance of this model. Whose production is he in general?

Yes, in any such a mug, they could print and teach to fly in a 3D printer in a week. Specialized microcircuits with the name of the manufacturer and the date if they find ours inside, then we can say that, they say, is Russian.

[GRAY]

Quote: i80186

Yes, in any such a mug, they could print and teach to fly in a 3D printer in a week.

Shit ... there was a suspicion of the "air circle":

Andrey Vukolov, design engineer of one of the Kazan enterprises, where some models of Russian UAVs are made, made a cautious assumption:
- Judging by the "boat-nose" of the car, it may be a kind of a whole family of Israeli UAVs of the Heron type. Israelis love a tight configuration. By the way, the Turks at one time also bought similar drones from Israel.

Major Vladislav Ostreiko, head of the intelligence group of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation, complained that the photo shows only a part of the winged machine and too few design features that could definitely tell who it belonged to. Although also more inclined to the fact that the flown UAV is "most likely" Israeli.

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26446/3317055/#close

[Yuyuka]

there is an inscription on the inner side "return to the person who found it" and the phone number 322223

[BLOND]

a high probability that the PRC)))

[i80186]

Quote: BLOND

a high probability that the PRC)))

Yes, everything is much more interesting. This can be done "on the knee" with the necessary knowledge in just a week or two.
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150903/1227219076.html
So, information like "we shot down a drone similar to ..." is a stuffing-in by definition, especially if the wingspan is less than a couple of meters.

[GRAY]

Quote: Good Me

According to the General Staff, the Turkish fighters who patrolled the border gave three warnings to an unidentified aircraft.

He smiled - they made warnings to the drone, they probably also talk to the TV.

[i80186]

Quote: GRAY

He smiled - they made warnings to the drone, they probably also talk to the TV.

Not well, on the "correct" drones, the system for identifying friend or foe is at least as it were.

[GRAY]

Quote: i80186

Not well, on the "correct" drones, the system for identifying friend or foe is at least as it were.

This one is painfully small, for sure there is no such defendant. And it is useless to call him by radio - the operator will still not hear.

[i80186]

Quote: GRAY

This one is painfully small, for sure there is no such defendant. And it is useless to call him by radio - the operator will still not hear.

And what for then he needs the Russian Aerospace Forces?

[GRAY]

Quote: i80186

And what for then he needs the Russian Aerospace Forces?

What for the Russian Aerospace Forces, a broken Turkish drone?

[Wiruz]

Yes please. Almost the first thing that got on the network at the request of the Su-30. Bottom right corner.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Wiruz

Yes please. Almost the first thing that got on the network at the request of the Su-30

Convinced was wrong. Got excited!
But still, work on the earth is not his main purpose. Su-xnumx wow!

[figwam]

But still, work on the earth is not his main purpose. Su-xnumx wow!

The SU-34 was planned for a long time, to replace the SU-24M, and the SU-30 turned out of the SU-27UB (spark) can be said by chance (tried for India) and very successfully, so it would be foolish not to take such an aircraft into service.

[Falcon]

Quote: GSH-18

But still, work on the earth is not his main purpose. Su-xnumx wow!

You are completely wrong

Su-30 is the concept of an attack fighter. This concept has always been in the west. The Hindus liked her. There is a pilot and navigator or weapons operator.
The only thing on it should be a hanging sighting container.

This concept is similar to F / A-18, F-15 strike eagl, Mig-35.
The second pilot traces and directs at the targets according to the data from the control panel.

Su-34 in this regard differs only in the integrated sighting system, and an armored cabin (which is a moot point). At the same time, it loses in the fighter functions of the Su-30.

Quote: GSH-18

But, nevertheless, our Su-30СМ in Syria are used only as an air cover for a bombing air group, and for reconnaissance.

Not from a good life, since they do not have sighting containers.

For example, the F-15 strike eagle was the main bomber in the Persian Gulf - and it is a direct analogue of the Su-30

In general, fighters should gain cover for gaining air supremacy. Such as Su-35

[Aleks28]

Quote: GSH-18

Can you comment on your minus sign?

I can: Multifunctional ... Continue next?

[Good me]

Quote: GSH-18

The presence of suspensions under the wings does not mean that you can hang everything that comes to mind. That is why there are various types of aircraft: interceptors, bombers, attack aircraft, fighters.

And besides the flight and other characteristics of the aircraft, it is worth remembering about the "linking" of weapons with target detection and guidance systems.

As practice shows, you can bomb and barrels from helicopters. But the accuracy ...

[Militarist]

Although I plusan both. But ... Here's a quote from the wiki.

It was created on the basis of a combat training two-seater Su-27UB (T-10U) by means of its deep modernization. Created for management of group combat operations of fighters in solving problems of gaining air supremacy, ensuring combat operations of other branches of aviation, covering ground troops and objects, destroying airborne assaults, as well as for conducting air reconnaissance and destruction of ground or surface targets. Unlike the Su-27UB, the Su-30 is able to carry out military operations related to the long range and duration of flight and the effective management of a group of fighters.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-30

[Wedmak]

Accordingly, he doesn’t specially grind on the ground ... except as a cannon

Well, would you be ashamed of something. There, under the wing, you can hang in addition to air-to-air missiles.

Free-fall bombs weighing 500 kg (up to 8 units) or 250 kg (28 units);
Containers KMG-U (up to 7 units) or blocks NAR C-13 and C-8 (up to 4 units);
Various combinations of guided and unguided weapons of various classes are possible.

[Mujahiddin777]

This is a multi-purpose all-weather fighter. And SM is super maneuverable

[DmitryK]

Quote: Mujahiddin777

This is a multi-purpose all-weather fighter. And SM is super maneuverable

SM is a serial upgraded

[GSH-18]

Quote: Mujahiddin777

This is a multi-purpose all-weather fighter. And SM is super maneuverable

That's right. Over-maneuverability to a bomber as a bomber to a fighter Well, okay, he’s MULTIPURPOSE. But, nevertheless, our Su-30SM in Syria are used only as an air cover for a bomber air group, and for reconnaissance.

[APASUS]

Quote: GSH-18

As far as everyone knows, the Su-30 (SM) is a fighter. Accordingly, he is not specifically imprisoned on the ground ... except as a cannon. He has most of the air / air missiles.

It’s elementary to find a little info, and then argue

1 Su-30SM (serial upgraded) - Su-30MKI for the Russian Air Force.

2 Su-30MKI (modernized, commercial, Indian; Flanker-H) - version of Su-30MK for India, with the new N011M radar with passive phased array antenna (PFAR) and an expanded air-to-air and air-to-surface armament ".

[GSH-18]

Quote: APASUS

It’s elementary to find a little info, and then argue

Come on already, I agreed that MAY work on the ground. Although categorically this is not denied anywhere.

[NEXUS]

Quote: GSH-18

As far as everyone knows, the Su-30 (SM) is a fighter. Accordingly, he is not specifically imprisoned on the ground ... except as a cannon.

SU-30 is a MULTI-PURPOSE fighter capable of performing tasks both in gaining superiority in the air and working on the ground. It has in its arsenal both bombs and air-to-surface missiles and air-to-air missiles.

[urii]

in russian spring

[marlin1203]

Now, any dive crow in the Middle East will appear to terrorists as a Russian fighter.

[sever.56]

A strange fight with ISIS was fought for a year and a half in Syria and Iraq by the Americans and their allies ...
Fifty-seven combat, as they say, sorties, and the result - a sparrow pumped! As soon as Russia began an air operation in Syria, - right there, amid screams: - "Don't bomb those ... Barbarians ... Stop killing the defenseless," the Iraqis began to act REALLY. Maybe they are just tired of the fact that the Americans seem to be fighting ISIS with one hand, and feed them with the other? If so, great. It seems to me that things would have gone faster if the West had stopped, as it were, the fight against ISIS. Let them not help, let them not interfere!

[Wiruz]

No, okay, even if containers with ammunition and ammunition fell directly on the head of the Islamists Without a parachute

[sever.56]

Sorry, missed: fifty-seven THOUSAND sorties.

[Tummyr]

Good advertising products of the Russian defense industry.

[lelikas]

Did the Iraqis have to wait for us there? Or did they first look at the effectiveness of our strikes?

[Bobxnumx]

Apparently went through the process of training pilots.

[Aleks28]

Quote: lelikas

Did the Iraqis have to wait for us there? Or did they first look at the effectiveness of our strikes?

Not a country that would get involved in a fight alone ..

[uhu189]

Where did Iraq get the pilots who can fly and bomb from SU-30? Moreover, they didn’t say that Iraq has SU-30 at all ... The activity of the Iraqi Air Force has sharply increased lately ...

[Wiruz]

Last year (or even the year before) Iraq ordered a certain number of Mi-28N, Mi-35 and Su-30 from us. Plus I took the Su-25 from my hands. Like so.

[uhu189]

For sure, the SU-30 wasn’t talking about attack aircraft and helicopters only. Judge for yourself, why did Iraq need heavy fighters at such a time, to fight ISIS aviation?

[Wiruz]

For sure, the SU-30 wasn’t talking about attack aircraft and helicopters only. Judge for yourself, why did Iraq need heavy fighters at such a time, to fight ISIS aviation?

In your opinion, the Su-30 does not know how to work on the ground? In addition, it has a huge plus, which neither helicopters nor Su-25 have: it "works" at a height that MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns cannot reach.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Wiruz

In your opinion, the Su-30 cannot work on the ground? In addition, it has a huge plus, which neither helicopters nor the Su-25 have: it "works" at the height that MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns cannot reach hi

Allow to shake. Su-25 can rise to a height of over 10km. This was sucked in connection with the crash of the ill-fated Boeing over Banderstat. Some flyers said that you can go up to 17 km with an oxygen mask (the cabin is not airtight unfortunately), and so on with a bunch!

[Shmal_]

The working altitude of the Su-25 is up to 7 km! Dynamically, he can climb 10 km, but not for long, because he will not be able to stay at this height! That is, it will make a "slide" and go down! He does not have a radar station for capturing air targets, which means that if he does not find it visually, he will not be able to enter the course of intersection and capture the rocket's thermal head! Hence the conclusion - to shoot down a Boeing at an altitude of 10 km for the Su-25 is a difficult task! Almost not real! About 17 km is generally ridiculous! Attack aircraft at stratospheric altitude ...))

[Wedmak]

Hence the conclusion - to bring down a Boeing at an altitude of 10 km for the Su-25 is a difficult task! Almost not real!

If you do not direct from the ground ....

[GSH-18]

Quote from Shmal

Hence the conclusion - to bring down a Boeing at an altitude of 10 km for the Su-25 is an impossible task! Almost not real! About 17km - it's generally funny!

Oh, is it? The downed Boeing flew not for 10 km, but much lower than 6,5 km if you believe the jumpers and their "devices". In addition, the Su-25 can carry standard air / air missiles, for example, the R-60 or 60-M, judging by the picture on Wikipedia.

[uhu189]

At high altitudes, the use of conventional free-falling bombs is ineffective, they need guided ammunition, which not only needs to be bought, they still need to learn how to use it. If we talk about the heights, then SU-24 is not suitable?
The operation of the SU-30 is much more expensive than the SU-25. In addition, there are pilots in Iraq who can fly a SU-25, but there are no pilots who can fly a SU-30. Given the loss of a third of the territory, why should Iraq spend a lot of money on a fighter plane, which has the ability to work on the ground is only one of the functions, moreover, not the main ones, at the same time when you can buy a couple of extra attack planes that are specially designed to work on ground goals and with which you can even fight tomorrow?

[GSH-18]

Quote: uhu189

in which the ability to work on the ground is only one of the functions, though not the main ones,

I completely agree. This is what I had in mind. Well, or the Su-24 upgraded versions are pure bombers capable of taking on board even more ammunition (bombs) in mass than the Su-25!

[Shmal_]

Work on the ground with uncontrolled free-falling ammunition does not depend on the type of aircraft, but on the parameters of the use of the ammunition itself. For example, the FAB-250 bomb, no matter what to throw from, with the Su-25 or with the Su-30. Working discharge height with an acceptable accuracy of 2-3 km. And this is the reach of MANPADS. Therefore, ours work as a link and shoot so many LTCs that the sky looks like a salute on Victory Day!

[Alexander 3]

This is good. Iraq is interested in eradicating the igil and coordinate with Syria.

[gukoyan]

SU-27, NARs also knew how to throw off, and SU-30, in any way, also knows how to throw them out, because it is a multifunctional machine.

[Wiruz]

As far as I know, the first production version of the Su-27 could only work from the gun on the ground. This is starting with the Su-27SM began to gradually introduce the ability to work on the ground. Although, as for NURs, I could be wrong, to work with them a lot of mind is not necessary

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: GSH-18

How wonderful. As far as everyone knows, the Su-30 (SM) is a fighter.

Multipurpose, able to use air in addition to rockets, also x-31, x-29, x-59, as well as cab-500 and even just bunk and cast iron.

[jaroff]

In the photo, the Su-30 with PGO, but without the formation of flying lights. So not Malaysian (Su-30MKM). It remains either Su-30MKI or Su-30SM. These planes were not officially delivered to Iraq, there was no contract and no. In Belarus, they upgraded the Su-30K or Su-30KN, but this machine without PGO.

[Wedmak]

but this car without PGO.

But Vicki reveals the origin of this side:
Iraq - 10 Su-30K, as of June 2014 of the year [62]. Iraqi military received Su-30K, previously in service in India
In India, the MKI, but just before that, the 10 Su-30K were delivered, which they then took away, replacing them with the MKI, because could not upgrade K to MKI. And as a result, they ended up in Iraq.

[Fbw]

THIS IS SU-30MKI, because on the keel the flight number is INDIA SB Air Force (numbers are hard to make out), and the IRAKA Air Force identification marks are photoshop.

[jaroff]

Therefore, we can safely conclude that photography has nothing to do with the news article. Su yes not that Su. The photo is separate, and the article is separate.

[samara-58]

Waiting for the Iranian Air Force ... etc.

[AdekvatNICK]

inventors damn))

[Aleks28]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

inventors damn))

For that, not what kind of electronic warfare to them how much ...

[AdekvatNICK]

and technical supervision is not undermining

[demel2]

It is ridiculous of course, but at the same time almost two countries were captured.

[Firstvanguard]

Quote: demel2

Funny of course

It would be funny if they didn’t bullet this crap in the housing estates, and all this is so sad.

[ASG7]

Judging by the reaction of the Americans, it was unexpected for them, given their presence in Iraq.
Conclusion No. 1: paid for the purchase of Iran, deployed in Iran, Iraqi pilots trained in Russia. The probability is 0,3.
Conclusion number 2: in order not to anger the Americans from the side of the Iraqis, an operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces is possible under deep cover. The probability is 0,7.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: ASG7

Conclusion number 2: in order not to anger the Americans from the side of the Iraqis, an operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces is possible under deep cover. The probability is 0,7.

Nuuu ... Strategist ... It's time to get promoted.

[SMS]

The most interesting thing is that we deliver these planes to Iraq, and then we forgive debts of 8 billion dollars.

[AdekvatNICK]

remember. Under the wording "forgiven a debt" always hides what we do not know. Debts are written off in return for something. These are the laws of geopolitics

[Yak28]

Isn't it dangerous to sell equipment like the SU-30 or TOS-1A "Solntsepek" and so on to countries like Iraq? These countries are cooperating with the United States, and the equipment can be provided to the Americans for research. Will this damage the defense capability of Russia? Surely our sworn friends investigated the length and breadth of the equipment left in the countries of the Warsaw Treaty, SU-24, SU-25, MiG-29 and so on.

[Wedmak]

The equipment is usually sold heavily modified, or even with foreign equipment. Yes and performance characteristics are often underestimated. In airplanes, in general, only a glider and the same.
Well, the Chinese investigated the Su-33 sold to them by Ukrainians. The glider was of course crashed, they have their own avionics, but there are no engines yet ... their resource is extremely low.

[tolian]

Remember Katyusha. But the Germans had it. You apparently also consider Russia a commodity country.

[Thirsty for wind]

The impression is that the participants in the "event" sensing the trend coinciding with their preferences are competing in acts of retribution for the indecencies committed by the freaks. Decent diligence. One thing can be noticed in caution, revenge is a cold dish.

[Militarist]

Quote: Mujahiddin777

And SM is super maneuverable

Do you mean SU-30SM? If so then you are mistaken.
SU-30SM (serial upgraded).

All the same wiki.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-30

[Wedmak]

I’m curious how you distinguish between Su-30K and Su-30MKI.

[anfil]

Our drying is too tough for someone

[gladysheff2010]

Shafaaq Information Portal reports that Russian Su-30 multipurpose fighters, delivered under the Iraqi Air Force contract, delivered the first attacks on the positions of the militants of the so-called “Islamic State”.

This is approximately how nonsense and rumors about "Russian" participation in this or that conflict are spread, and ours are then justified: they say, there was no such thing! It is necessary to provide information more correctly.

[gg.na]

It is necessary to hammer and crush these Igilov terrorists by all possible means !!! I repeat, ALL POSSIBLE !!!

[demand1]

The next step is the creation of a military base in Iraq, then in Iran and further throughout the Middle East, so that Americans would not poke their nose there

[roskot]

The good news is that in Iraq dushmans are not given rest. But Iraqis, Iranians or ours is another matter.