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F-35 Combat Laser: Lightning will change airborne melee tactics

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Unexpected news October 6 came from the internet resource defenseone.com. The publication, citing Lockheed Martin, announces the development of a combat modular fiber-optic laser with an 0,4 energy yield (40%) with a total power from 0,06 to 0,12 MW. It is assumed that with such weapons F-35 will be able to achieve overwhelming superiority over any existing and even developed fighter.

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F-35 Combat Laser: Lightning will change airborne melee tactics


Such news, of course, did not go unnoticed in runet. As a result, the above article appeared. About problems, omissions, failures F-35 did not argue, perhaps, only a lazy or a person to whom "all these airplanes are damned."

Indeed, the topic is very fertile, there are constantly some news, assessments, something changes in equipment, LTH is confirmed or refuted, accidents occur, new types of tests begin, and so on and so forth.

But the likely appearance of a laser cannon on board a lightweight fighter is news, out of the ordinary. This is just the "future today"! Someone will be impressed by the news, someone will be annoyed (because "not our" unit), someone will consider it from the point of view of the practical feasibility of the project, the probable benefit / performance of the device.

The author of the previous article first set about discussing the flaws of the F-35 project, comparing it with the European Typhoon, then with the machines that it is intended to replace (F-16 and F-18), or even MiG-35, pointing out the absolute advantages of the latter in one area or another. It remains a mystery to me which technologies of the “6 generation” were used in the MiG-35, given that there is no concept of the “6 generation” yet, but only guesses, respectively, and its technologies, and all existing by definition are not higher than 5 th generation, because 5 th is now being developed. This is pretty straightforward logic.

Already closer to the middle of the article, the author nevertheless turned to the consideration of new weapons for the JSF, namely the combat laser unit with a power of 60-120 kW with the efficiency of 0,4.

The proof of the inefficiency of this type of weapons at large distances from (10 km), the author proved beyond doubt. However, the reasoning about the need for long-term exposure of an enemy aircraft at a distance to obtain some effect (overheating of its instruments, which led to their breakdown) is considered erroneous. F-35 hardly has a sufficiently powerful generator to provide 100 kW continuously for “some long time”. For example, we managed to find the following information on the MiG-29:

There is a gas turbine power unit GTDE-117 with a power of 66,2 kW.

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Consequently, the laser system operates in a pulsed mode on some, probably, capacitors. Consequently, its creators perfectly understand the duration of the pulse and the corresponding slaughter range corresponding to it. And she is small - melee!

The laser setup will give the F-35 a melee trump! It is obvious. In melee major weapons is a quick-firing gun. It is installed on fighters in the nose near the cockpit and shoots at the rate. That is, ATTENTION, aiming takes place by turns of ALL AIRPLANE. The pilot needs to direct his fighter ahead of course towards the enemy, so that the cannon cannons flying at a limited speed comparable to the target speed fly a certain distance that changes during the aiming process and fly along the ballistic trajectory (yes, they will also fall ) and after a second-2-3-4-5 or more were in the same place that the enemy fighter will be in (since we are now talking about an air battle between two fighters). It is clear, yes, that the task is not easy, even if you have the most maneuverable fighter in the world.



On the F-35A, the gun will be installed inside the aircraft, above and slightly behind the left air intake, for the F-35B / C a suspension container with 220 rounds of ammunition mounted under the fuselage in the rear has been designed. Assume that the laser turret will replace the conventional 25-mm gun. Thus, the laser gun will have a region of fire partially in the front and partly in the upper hemisphere, immediately covering a significant “piece” of space around the aircraft carrying percent in the 30-50. To execute the shot, the pilot does not need to “see the target in the crosshairs on the windshield,” and the target should only be in this area, the rest will be done by automatics, and the pilot will only give the confirming command: “Destroy”. Electric drives will target the reflector at an enemy aircraft instantly and will hold it all the time while it is in the affected area. The shot will hardly take more than 0,5 seconds (not taking into account the laser pumping, if it is required, I honestly don’t have enough power, how it works and how long it can take), and a photon beam with the speed of light will cover a distance of a couple of kilometers instantly.

If there are no problems with the pumping of this fiber laser, it is possible to hit the target as soon as it enters the affected area, and it is possible to implement such an accurate system that it will not hit the plane, but “the desired rivet on the hull”.

What is the result? In some way, the problem of F-35 helplessness in close-maneuver combat is solved, the laser does not experience a multiple increase in beam diameter, and the aiming process is simplified for the pilot, because now he only needs to turn the right side towards his opponent. The catch-up games will disappear, the need to go out into the tail or drop from the enemy's tail will disappear. Melee air combat will change dramatically!

Three questions remain open:
1. How hard will it be to interfere with a combat laser so that it cannot damage your plane?
2. How realistic is it to install this unit on the F-35 and make it work as it should?
3. Why is there nothing like this in Russia, given the gigantic positive experience of working with laser devices since the days of the USSR?
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  1. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 24 October 2015 06: 50 New
    +10
    "wunderwaffle" for "wunderwaffle"?
    in my next advertising company f-35
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 24 October 2015 06: 53 New
      +16
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      in my next advertising company f-35

      And each f-35 pilot in a blaster and a suit for an intergalactic flight .. laughing
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 24 October 2015 07: 13 New
        +7
        Quote: Alex28
        And each f-35 pilot in a blaster and a suit for an intergalactic flight.

        And the Jedi sword. smile Such a scale cut the budget, as with f-35, ours only dream of. Way to go, America!
        1. VeryBravePiggy
          VeryBravePiggy 24 October 2015 19: 45 New
          +3
          I do not understand how the bulky installation installed INSIDE the aircraft does not require guidance of the "whole carcass" of the aircraft? If there is something streamlined and covered with a spherical cap - maybe it will. At subsonic speeds. A turret outside the fuselage on a high-speed plane, and even asymmetrically located ... Well, well, is it interesting that the first one will fly to 10-14G - the pilot catapulted, or a piece of the fuselage with a mega-gun? In any case, the aerodynamics for glupius russke Vanka. Clear posons are not distracted by such strange words.
        2. crazyrom
          crazyrom 24 October 2015 22: 10 New
          0
          The idea, of course, is not bad, but as usual, the mattresses will fail. The capacitors are heavy, the engine is there and so all 1 and that weak, F-35 barely flies. If he also has the power to take to the laser, how will it fly at all?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 25 October 2015 11: 54 New
            +1
            "the engine there is already only 1 and that one is weak," ////

            The engine is the most powerful. He has no relatives. Gives one traction as 80%
            from two SU-30 engines.
            Su-30 75 kN X 2 = 150 kN
            F-35 125 kN
            1. andrey682006
              andrey682006 26 October 2015 13: 44 New
              +2
              The engine is the most powerful. He has no relatives. Gives one traction as 80%
              from two SU-30 engines.


              Do you need airplane thrust in flight? Or will he hang in the air on anti-gravity while charging capacitors? laughing
              The plane will lose speed, right? How much? - It is necessary to consider the efficiency, laser power. And how much power is needed to damage the wing that is blown? Or what could he hurt? And the reflection of the object? And the angle of the surface to the beam?
              In short, close air combat is a big load on the engine. But he is charging capacitors at this time, right?
      2. figwam
        figwam 24 October 2015 08: 18 New
        +8
        Apparently from resentment, FSA rushed to invent fairy tales about their duper technology.
        In general, a laser was developed in the USSR, A-60.
        1. Throw
          Throw 24 October 2015 16: 34 New
          +12
          The A-60 project is now continued, but the laser is used there for completely blinding satellites in terms of energy.
          And the task of using a thermal laser in real conditions (not polygon-laboratory) at the current level of technological development is impossible.

          As for the article - complete nonsense.
          The author of absenteeism physically mercilessly spent watching Star Wars.
          negative
          1. Dormidont2
            Dormidont2 24 October 2015 17: 45 New
            0
            laser can be effective for hammering near missiles attacking f35
          2. Penetrator
            Penetrator 24 October 2015 18: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Lance
            The author of absenteeism physically mercilessly spent watching Star Wars.

            Judging by the fact that watching movies in the "adult" category. Otherwise, such a project cannot be called porn. Locked up with the usual automatic gun, now create a hyper-uber laser? Do not tell .. Too much energy for these citizens goes to a very exciting process - cutting the budget. How much does Lightning cost now? It will be even more expensive and with vague prospects for real use. Maybe they’ll spend at least part of the money on a computer toy - we’ll fly and evaluate the plan of the creators of the superplane ...
            1. Throw
              Throw 24 October 2015 18: 35 New
              +6
              laser can be effective for hammering near missiles attacking f35

              "Close" is a couple of hundred meters? Look at the speed of air defense missiles. She will be on the plane in a tenth of a second.
              It is then necessary to completely evaporate it.

              And all that has been achieved so far is in a few seconds with a ground laser, which is larger than the f-35 itself, sometimes set fire to light targets that fly straight and even in good weather ..
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 24 October 2015 09: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      "wunderwaffle" for "wunderwaffle"?

      In my opinion - another SOY!
    3. beitar
      beitar 24 October 2015 10: 01 New
      +15
      What is the result? In some way, the problem of the F-35's helplessness in close maneuverable combat is solved, the laser does not have a multiple increase in the beam diameter, and the aiming process is simplified for the pilot, because now he only needs to turn his right side towards his opponent. The game of catch-up will disappear, the need to go into the tail or throw off the tail of the enemy disappears. Close air combat will change dramatically


      Why do we need a laser in the era of short-range air-to-air missiles? Already, there is no need to "tail" the enemy. It’s enough to detect it when it’s on your tail, and the rocket will make a 180-degree turn
      1. gerodot
        gerodot 24 October 2015 12: 15 New
        0
        they started to pour early, if you think about the speed of the same rocket on earth and in space is the same. Native Americans rely heavily on GPS, without it they can mistakenly start bombing the White House capitol
        no laser production required
      2. forumow
        forumow 24 October 2015 19: 30 New
        0
        That's right! But the loss of relevance of maneuverability in aerial combat will lead to the dominance of heavy aircraft, and not fighters, especially light ones, because lasers at first will be able to deliver more powerful and long-range ones, capable of burning a small opponent long before he reaches the line of effective range of his weapon. An additional argument in favor of the concept of a heavy long-range interceptor unified with attack aircraft YES. Of course, for effective work in offensive operations, it must be supersonic.
    4. Amnestied
      Amnestied 24 October 2015 11: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      "wunderwaffle" for "wunderwaffle"?
      in my next advertising company f-35

      Quite right, a laser will be put on a flightless plane, drank in the American way. Serdyukov nervously smokes on the sidelines laughing
      1. gerodot
        gerodot 24 October 2015 12: 18 New
        +1
        Ross taken separately ... in everything they equal. Serdyukov and Vasiliev are not so far from their
    5. War and Peace
      War and Peace 24 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +6
      Most likely it will not be possible to make a BATTLE LASER for an aircraft with good characteristics. The laser was invented in the early 60s and has been 50 years old, except for short-focus - industrial or extremely heavy ground materials and energy-consuming or ship NOTHING can be created. 50 YEARS is a lot, it is clear that something is wrong with the laser, the expectation of engineer Garin's hyperboloid did not come true.
      Americans abandoned the air-based Boeing laser program, now they are exaggerating the laser on f35, well, they’ll talk and stop ...
    6. Civil
      Civil 25 October 2015 16: 40 New
      -1
      Now they will be told by "expiry": they say it won’t work, like about Osprey, about SM-3, about the fact that the Chinese will not be able to build a copy of su-33)))
  2. Private27
    Private27 24 October 2015 07: 03 New
    +3
    Well done pindo sy! Cut dough continues not childish. Keep it up!
  3. Petrik66
    Petrik66 24 October 2015 07: 19 New
    +3
    They work for the guys, they’ve already cut so much dough, while they created this cuttlefish, now that the big mess has become clear to everyone, we decided to add a new gadget. Now they’ll run to the Senate - And give a couple of ten yards of green for military expenses, or they say, without a laser, it’s somehow not fancy to fly, Vova has lasers from the northern street, the Chinese woman from the eastern courtyard has it, only Sam doesn’t. Dads will wipe away tears on their bristly faces, spit and give dough. Life - SUCCESS
    1. rkkasa xnumx
      rkkasa xnumx 24 October 2015 07: 52 New
      +9
      Quote: Russian Uzbek
      in my next advertising company f-35

      Quote: Private27
      Well done pindo sy! Cut dough continues not childish. Keep it up!

      Quote: Petrik66
      Now run to the Senate - And give a couple of ten yards of green to military spending

      But what if these laser lasers actually turn out to be effective weapons? Can we laugh in vain?
      At one time, even clever people could not always correctly evaluate one or another innovation. Remind about Dragomirov and machine guns? But the wrong assessment, it can then go sideways.

      In this matter, I think it’s better to overdo it rather than overdo it.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 24 October 2015 08: 21 New
        +1
        Right.
        ---
        The Russian language is rich - it’s better to oversalt than ...
      2. psiho117
        psiho117 24 October 2015 13: 47 New
        +6
        Quote: rkkasa 81

        But what if these laser lasers actually turn out to be effective weapons? Can we laugh in vain?

        And they are a very effective weapon. But ... in space. bully
        In the atmosphere, an ordinary rapid-firing gun with a controlled detonation of projectiles surpasses the laser by a head.

        Let me remind you that they could not achieve any acceptable efficiency from an aircraft laser mounted on a huge Boeing.
        And now they want a combat laser with a significantly smaller mirror diameter, power plant capacity and the volume of equipment occupied.
        And this is on a plane that is stupidly not designed to power such energy-intensive equipment. There, on the already existing electronics and weapons, close to the power, and they still want a laser.
        Oh, these cutters ...
        1. Rader
          Rader 25 October 2015 01: 17 New
          +1


          Let me remind you that they could not achieve any acceptable efficiency from an aircraft laser, mounted on a huge Boeing.
          And now they want a combat laser with a significantly smaller mirror diameter, power plant capacity and the volume of equipment occupied.
          And this is on a plane that is stupidly not designed to power such energy-intensive equipment. There, on the already existing electronics and weapons, close to the power, and they still want a laser.
          Oh, these cutters ...

          That you, Dmitry, a Boeing laser, I remember, was hammering ballistic missiles to the left and right. And they abandoned such a successful project of goodwill. Yes, of free will, so as not to escalate the atmosphere in the WORLD and show (to this WORLD itself) that the USA is a pacifist state ... laughing
          If without jokes, then yes, the Yankees have achieved at least some sane results only on ground stands and are now actively scribbling and pumping money with a ship laser project ... I somehow can’t believe that from the colossus that they managed to shove only into the ship, they achieved less than from a sample whose mass clearly does not exceed a ton and which they managed to integrate (at worst hang) in F 35 ...
  4. dokusib
    dokusib 24 October 2015 07: 21 New
    +2
    As far as I know, the laser system for the F-35 / F-22 was not designed for close combat. But as a narrowly specialized weapon for destroying satellites. The scenario is like this: to get as high as possible where the air is thin and there are fewer problems with focusing and loss of power and with cabling to irradiate the satellite until it crashes. And then to say we had nothing to do with our missiles in that place.
  5. Watchdog
    Watchdog 24 October 2015 07: 42 New
    +1
    Why is there nothing like this in Russia, given the gigantic positive experience with laser systems since the days of the USSR?
    Author, do not worry, as soon as needed - everything will be found soldier . It turns out that everything has been around for a long time, everything is in combat readiness yes . Well, our military does not like to chat. They have such a character. request
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 24 October 2015 14: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Watchdog
      Author, do not worry, as soon as needed - everything will be found. It turns out that everything has been around for a long time, everything is in combat readiness
  6. lao_tsy
    lao_tsy 24 October 2015 07: 57 New
    +1
    The effectiveness of laser weapons has not been proven in practice. We'll see. Time will put everything in its place.
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 24 October 2015 08: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: lao_tsy
      The effectiveness of laser weapons has not been proven in practice. We'll see. Time will put everything in its place.

      But why? The efficiency of a nuclear-pumped X-ray laser has been practically proven!
      True, the practical energy yield was less than calculated. Although as a source
      radiation used a nuclear explosion! fool
      Ours also engaged in laser weapons. With some success! Only goals were few
      other. And to use a laser in the atmosphere to destroy enemy targets is a little
      untimely, costly and stupid! At least with the current state of the art.
      The laser in the modern army is the designation and destruction of optical and electronic components
      enemy techniques.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 24 October 2015 13: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: AlNikolaich

        But why? The efficiency of a nuclear-pumped X-ray laser has been practically proven!
        True, the practical energy yield was less than calculated.

        In fact, he turned out to be much lower than estimated. But the concomitant pollution of the atmosphere and the EM pulse are at the level of smile
        As a result, even American cutters abandoned the orbital laser missile defense system.
        But using a laser in the atmosphere to destroy enemy targets is somewhat untimely, costly and stupid! At least with the current state of the art.
        The laser in the modern army is the target designation and defeat of the optical and electronic components of enemy equipment.

        I agree with this one hundred percent. So far - the defeat of cardboard drones under ideal weather conditions is their limit.
  7. cormorant
    cormorant 24 October 2015 08: 13 New
    +4
    What a melee laser, what nonsense ... Who, do they write these articles? For the obese grown on comics, shooting games and the series "Star Wars"?
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 24 October 2015 14: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: cormorant
      To whom are they writing these articles? For those grown on comics ... and the Star Wars TV series?


      As a connoisseur of the Star Wars universe, I want to note that they have no lasers in service there. Yes, they are called lasers and turbolasers, but in reality they are plasma guns. Fueled by Tiban gas, which plants collect in the atmospheres of gas giants.
  8. Steppe
    Steppe 24 October 2015 08: 20 New
    +4
    I believe that underestimating the enemy is not only dangerous, but also stupid. Perhaps they are lying to impress the most respected public. And if they don’t lie? ... Why not conduct reconnaissance and verify all this?
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 24 October 2015 09: 36 New
      +17
      Quote: Steppe
      I believe that underestimating the enemy is not only dangerous, but also stupid. Perhaps they are lying to impress the most respected public. And if they don’t lie? ... Why not conduct reconnaissance and verify all this?

      My dissertation described the operation of a multichannel complex; I tried to use a laser as one of the channels, and not for suppression, but for tracking the target. In the course of the work, it turned out that, given the yaw and jolting of the aircraft, it is almost impossible to keep the beam on target at large distances. Now with regards to the article. The link, on the basis of which the article was written, talks about the modular structure of the laser. Therefore, to obtain the required power, several generators work, the power of which is summed in the waveguide path, and then radiated. Judging by the efficiency, these are semiconductor lasers. Semiconductor lasers have a low signal coherence, respectively, a large beam divergence. The summation of power will lead to even greater incoherence and therefore even greater angle of divergence. Therefore, the declared efficiency is the efficiency of the generator, and for the target the radiation flux attributable to the target will be much less. Considering atmospheric absorption, this laser will be an excellent jammer for IR missiles, creating glare and flare on the fairing of the homing head.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 24 October 2015 09: 49 New
        +4
        And any cloud, smoke and aerosol interference makes such a laser useless. Once upon a time, Americans were already trying to come up with lasers to intercept our warheads using the SDI system. It turned out to be enough to reduce the trajectory to flat so that even an insignificant amount of atmospheric gases would make the use of such lasers useless.
        1. Ka-52
          Ka-52 24 October 2015 14: 04 New
          0
          At the level of laser development, yes. You will not argue that in 100500 years wink , the lasers will be on flying technology. hi
          1. dokusib
            dokusib 24 October 2015 14: 21 New
            0
            It all depends on the capacity of the batteries after 100500 years
      2. Petrix
        Petrix 24 October 2015 18: 58 New
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        Quote: GregAzov
        Therefore, the declared efficiency is the generator efficiency

        Is it possible to do without a generator? Well, let's say charge the earth. Is it realistic to physically make a radiation accumulator, and for how long can a pulse ready for a shot be stored in it?
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      4. brn521
        brn521 27 October 2015 11: 11 New
        0
        Quote: GregAzov
        this laser will be an excellent jammer for IR missiles, creating glare and light on the fairing of the homing head.

        Now, this is closer to the topic. Disabling missile guidance systems and guided missiles. Here and wide beam divergence just right.
  9. Turkir
    Turkir 24 October 2015 08: 25 New
    +1
    Why not scout and test all of this?

    We can only assume that our intelligence and scientists (intelligentsia) are not sleeping.
  10. Hammer
    Hammer 24 October 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    3. Why is there nothing like this in Russia, given the gigantic positive experience of working with laser devices since the days of the USSR?

    maybe because the experience was not entirely positive?
  11. pimen
    pimen 24 October 2015 08: 35 New
    +2
    laser beam focusing on fast and mutually moving objects seems doubtful
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 24 October 2015 19: 05 New
      0
      It all depends on the necessary time to keep the target in sight. If 0.001s is enough, then nothing complicated. And if you need to warm for 5 minutes at one point, then it is problematic.
      1. pimen
        pimen 24 October 2015 23: 01 New
        0
        it seems to me that for a couple of fighters - it’s rather difficult to talk about a couple of seconds; and if there is also an optical breakdown of the atmosphere, then dispensing with two or more rays is generally not possible
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  12. Dam
    Dam 24 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +4
    I read, remembered Oscar-winning Gravity. All the same, amers have their own reality and its own physics. And so, the Jedi sword is needed in the kit for the laser gun!
  13. Romanenko
    Romanenko 24 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +12
    In the meantime, there is no laser, Chinese LED flashlights will be installed on the F-35 for night fighting)))))))))))
  14. Victor1
    Victor1 24 October 2015 08: 58 New
    +2
    Do not underestimate the enemy, the laser was still in the USSR, since then ~ 30 years have passed, anything can be better to be prepared, and to treat such things with vigilance than to get an unexpected surprise at the worst moment.
    Remember how the torpedo Flurry appeared. No one could have imagined that such speeds could be developed under water, and ours did it.
  15. lexx2038
    lexx2038 24 October 2015 09: 09 New
    +6
    Perhaps this is one of the areas of the information and economic war - they want to draw the forces and resources of our military-industrial complex to develop and create the impossible mythical "bird fever", to the detriment of other promising developments in our defense. After all, everything needs money, resources, talented people.
    Or maybe not. In short, you need to check, then make decisions.
    1. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 24 October 2015 09: 56 New
      +4
      As an example. In the 60s, the Americans leaked to us that they had torpedoes capable of moving under water at a speed of more than 100 knots. They thought that this was an impossible task. And they were very surprised when we had the VA-111 Flurry product. And remember how Edmond Pope portrayed himself sick when he was taken with the documentation for this torpedo? Now he writes books about the "bucket" in Lefortovo. And in vain they released him ...
      This is what I am .... Sometimes such stuffing leads to interesting results.
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  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 October 2015 10: 38 New
    +3
    Another fake news about the super-duper weapon “we will defeat everyone”! An analogue in Russian fairy tales was called the "sword - kladenets". A laser operating at long distances and at significant power is not yet technologically achievable things, especially on a light fighter. The first weapon of this kind will be an analogue of anti-aircraft defense against drones and light-class missiles, in heavy trucks.
  18. D-Master
    D-Master 24 October 2015 10: 41 New
    +7
    Lord, what a pseudoscientific nonsense have to read in the morning. I think readers with a minimum of incomplete secondary education will understand me. Here is an excerpt from the author’s opus:
    In close combat, the main weapon is a rapid-firing gun. It is installed on fighters in the bow near the cockpit and shoots on the course. That is, ATTENTION, aiming takes place by turns of the WHOLE PLANE. The pilot needs to direct his fighter at a proactive course in relation to the enemy, so that the cannon shells flying limited speed commensurate with target speedflew a certain distance, which changes in the process of aiming, flew it along a ballistic trajectory (yes, they will also fall) and after a second, 2-3-4-5 or more ended up in the same place where the enemy fighter would be (since we are talking specifically about aerial combat between two fighters)
    I highlighted the main idea with color. And here the fun begins. Author. For starters, speed is a vector quantity and it adds up. In classical mechanics, the absolute speed of a point is equal to the vector sum of its relative and portable speeds. When we add the speed of an airplane and the speed of a bullet or projectile flying in the same direction, we get a speed that is not comparable to the speed of the target, but superior to it by about 2 more than once. Now about the ballistic trajectory in the MIDDLE battle. That is, at visual contact distances - up to 5 kilometers. What BALLISTIC trajectories can be discussed at such distances. At the initial velocity of the projectile (obtained by the principle of addition of velocities) near 5000 km / h or in another language 1750 m / s, the fall of the shell as our highly educated author writes starts at distances when his crazy kinetic energy begins to be exhausted. Those who wish can arm themselves with a calculator and calculate the kinetic energy for an aircraft cannon shell. And the last one. What prevents the use of modern computers to make a lead system based on radar data that determines the speed and direction and data about your gun? Any programmer will build up an approximate program module in 30 minutes. Article bold (-) Authors, please, before writing, get at least a secondary incomplete education, otherwise it’s just embarrassing.
    1. dokusib
      dokusib 24 October 2015 14: 53 New
      0
      You are not fair to the author. In the first case, he apparently had in mind the displacement of the target in azimuth and not that the ammunition was catching up with it. And in the second case, the bulb still falls. Immediately after leaving the bore, an acceleration of gravity of about 9,8 m / s2 begins to act on it. This is not counting the centrifugal acceleration and gravitational acceleration, which are of interest only to record breakers. And the vector of kinetic energy of the projectile directed strictly perpendicular does not affect it in any way.
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    3. Petrix
      Petrix 24 October 2015 19: 51 New
      -2
      Quote: D-Master
      limited speed commensurate with target speed

      The speed of the projectile and the plane are practically commensurate with respect to the speed of light.
      Quote: D-Master
      When we add the speed of the plane and the speed of a bullet or projectile flying in the same direction, we get a speed that is not comparable to the speed of the target

      Aircraft can not be added if the target is removed at the same speed. Although the goal may come nearer, then we add two speeds of the aircraft. And yet this is not the speed of light.
      Quote: D-Master
      The fall of the projectile ... will begin at distances when its crazy kinetic energy begins to run out.

      And it will begin to be exhausted as soon as the action of expansion of the powder gases ends, i.e.
      Quote: dokusib
      Immediately after leaving the bore

      The wind also corrects, insignificantly, but nevertheless. The author is right.
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 25 October 2015 11: 02 New
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        I will tell the "minuscule" a terrible secret. The force of gravity acts on the light propagating in space, which leads to a change in the direction of its propagation. Usually this action is negligible, but it is always present. The body, under the influence of only gravity, always flies along a ballistic trajectory, even if it has a second cosmic velocity and flies into space.

        Warrant Officer conducts a lesson with recruits:
        “Remember, comrade soldiers, once and for all, that a cannon shoots at a parabola.”
        One of the recruits:
        - Comrade ensign, it turns out that you can shoot from around the corner if the gun
        put on your side!
        Ensign for a moment thinking:
        - You can ... But our soldiers do not shoot around the corner. smile
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  19. TeKuS
    TeKuS 24 October 2015 10: 47 New
    +1
    It makes sense to overdo it rather than overdo it.
  20. Whowhy
    Whowhy 24 October 2015 11: 00 New
    +1
    But interestingly, is it possible to put a laser with a rotary head instead of heat traps? Each system operates at its own frequency, so if you modulate the beam, you can get into resonance and then a large power is not required ...
  21. Sasha Belyaeva
    Sasha Belyaeva 24 October 2015 11: 32 New
    +1
    it is possible to implement such an accurate system that it will not fall into the plane, but "the desired rivet on the body."


    The most vulnerable point in a fighter attacked by a laser beam is the pilot’s eyes. Blinded pilot - 100% easy prey.
    No heavy duty laser is needed for this. smile

    Close air combat will change dramatically!
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 24 October 2015 14: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Sasha Belyaeva


      The most vulnerable point in a fighter attacked by a laser beam is the pilot’s eyes. Blinded pilot - 100% easy prey.
      No heavy duty laser is needed for this. smile
      Pilots have long been flying in helmets, with a polarized visor.
    2. Petrix
      Petrix 24 October 2015 19: 59 New
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      Quote: Sasha Belyaeva
      pilot's eyes

      Head-to-head do not always converge. Sometimes you need to shoot both from below and from behind.
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    4. WUA 518
      WUA 518 30 January 2016 23: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Sasha Belyaeva
      The most vulnerable point in a fighter attacked by a laser beam is

      This is the brain of a blonde!
  22. Vipirozhnikow
    Vipirozhnikow 24 October 2015 11: 34 New
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    When the PAK FA is shown, pointing to the place where the automatic gun is usually installed, they often talk about some kind of weapon, which will be a "surprise". Maybe we also have an effective "combat laser".
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  24. tomket
    tomket 24 October 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    Interestingly, for the Su-27, a movable cannon mount was developed, which could really change the nature of close combat.
  25. gerodot
    gerodot 24 October 2015 12: 25 New
    +1
    laser (plasma) weapon powerful nipples, abruptly hot air grill
    especially in airless space
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 24 October 2015 13: 16 New
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      Quote: gerodot
      laser (plasma)

      Still, laser and plasma are slightly different things ...
  26. MolGro
    MolGro 24 October 2015 13: 20 New
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    All this will be interesting when we see the real embodiment of fantasies !!
    If they succeed, then the project of diamond-antey "Remedy" will be put on the plane)
    So far it's all wet dreams !!
  27. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 24 October 2015 13: 46 New
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    Another attempt to cut the dough and force the Russians to believe in this nonsense. Another Reagan star wars to deceive the gullible. The bogeyman Gorbachev went around and gave everything he could, but there weren’t any Reagan grasers and space combat platforms with Jedi.
  28. Alcoholic
    Alcoholic 24 October 2015 14: 02 New
    +1
    Yes, they wouldn’t make laugh, clowns.
    Let him learn to fly first.
    Not a remote control aircraft from X-BOX wassat
    It’s also necessary to powder everyone’s brains even by themselves.
  29. Yarhann
    Yarhann 24 October 2015 14: 13 New
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    the answer to all three questions is simple why the hell to fence the garden - why the hell is the laser in general if we are talking about a rotating laser turret.
    Yes, just put a retractable turret such as standing on turntables and that’s all - yes it will make the plane heavier but give it the opportunity to survive in a blitz battle.
    Why we don’t have this and they put it - the answer here is also simple - just because our planes have always been and are more maneuverable in close combat - because it’s much easier and really possible for our pilot to hit a gun, but for this plane to hit in close combat our plane is almost impossible because on bends it simply cannot be able to target it.
    As for me to put something like a rotating tower on a hawk, this damn squalor
    Rotating melee weapons will appear and be the main weapon only on 6th generation aircraft, more precisely on UAVs, most likely - these aircraft will be small and highly maneuverable, quite secretive in terms of detection and they will need such weapons and it will be there as efficient as possible - that is, an airplane the UAV hawk approaches the target for target designation from the AWACS aircraft - covertly and draws close to it at close range where it attacks with small arms - rapprochement can occur due to over-maneuverability and hypersound - that’s why the pilot will not be able to withstand it - the size of the aircraft will be similar to that of WWII hawks - and the UAV itself will be something like a missile launch - you can compare it with a missile of the complex, let's say C 400 - that is, it arrives at the target in hypersound, hits it from small arms and returns back - of course I exaggerated but roughly outlined the range and capabilities of such aviation generations.
    You just imagine such a ground-based complex with UAVs of the 6th generation hawks - starting launch containers of about 4 pieces on a wheeled chassis, each UAV is loaded and charged - it starts up the rocket accelerator vertically and after a couple of minutes it is near the target at a distance of 200-300km - the robot fulfills the target rapid-fire weapons and returned for example on a turbojet engine to the base at subsonic speed - to replenish the warhead and rocket accelerator.
  30. IAlex
    IAlex 24 October 2015 15: 31 New
    +1
    Three questions remain open:
    1. How hard will it be to interfere with a combat laser so that it cannot damage your plane?
    2. How realistic is it to install this unit on the F-35 and make it work as it should?
    3. Why is there nothing like this in Russia, given the gigantic positive experience of working with laser devices since the days of the USSR?


    To the first question: ask the Americans and Jews who developed the laser and use it, they should be aware of at least the problems and advantages of the current generation of military lasers. (Tip: do not ask the professor with VO) ...
    To the second question: at the technical level, as an engineer developing electronics from the idea of ​​a real prototype, I can say that the implementation of a compact laser is quite possible today (except for a head with optics in which I don’t boil much power sources, but I think if they make portable lasers for the destruction of UAVs, it’s clearly their order with this) ...
    To the third question: the USSR created its own separate scientific school, which created a technical and natural-scientific self-sustaining and developing environment (TIENSRS). It was just that she created and developed the laser and related directions. After the collapse of the 90s and the inculcation of a quasi-American religion, the leadership ceased to finance expensive basic research. As a result, TiENSRS stopped receiving recharge and withered like a plant. The most advanced went to work, competent old people became extinct, and the wormwood stuck in the Russian Federation sprouted and is engaged in kickbacks because there is no one to conduct basic research on, there is nothing and no reason ...

    I am 99% sure that in Russia it is not that the laser creates a problem, there are no one to find people who could at least process and analyze the results of Soviet fundamental research ... That is at best, we get an acceptable laser - when in the free or black market it will be possible to get almost all the main components of a military laser ...


    Regarding what is common between the MIG-35 aircraft and the 6-generation aircraft. Well, probably the general name is “Airplane”, as in the movie there are twelve chairs:
    - "This is a boy?"
    - "Who will say that this is a girl, let the first throw a stone at me!"
    And to everyone living in the Russian Federation:
    - "Learn, Kitty! Get strong! Russia will not forget you!" ...
  31. vfifrjdf95
    vfifrjdf95 24 October 2015 15: 55 New
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    everyone is so smart, just go nuts!
  32. Cresta999
    Cresta999 24 October 2015 16: 31 New
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    Laser? By plane? Well, paint our planes with silver for three rubles. What is not a mirror?
  33. ewgen
    ewgen 24 October 2015 16: 50 New
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    The Americans will have to power the F-35 through an extension cord from the power plant.
    1. venaya
      venaya 24 October 2015 18: 48 New
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      Quote: ewgen
      The Americans will have to power the F-35 through an extension cord from the power plant.

      For a serious, powerful combat laser, even this power is not enough. You will also need an intermediate energy storage device to obtain an impulse of sufficient power, capable of seriously defeating the attacked object.
  34. Captain nemo
    Captain nemo 24 October 2015 17: 52 New
    -1
    (not taking into account the pumping of the laser, if it is required, then I honestly admit that I’m not strong how it works and how long it can take)

    I am also not good at lasers, but I know that laser energy pumping is required in any lasers - gas, solid-state, liquid, and semiconductor are also no exception.
  35. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 24 October 2015 18: 29 New
    +3
    [/ quote] Pilots have long been flying in helmets, with a polarized visor. [/ quote]
    Light filters of almost all types of flight GLs were designed at one time to protect against light radiation from a nuclear explosion, and protect from radiation from laser sighting stations, both aircraft and ground-based. But in this case, the radiation power is much higher, so it can "break through". But to make such a shit on a plane hoping to blind a pilot is definitely a cut of the budget. Do we grieve about this? Even if the Americans do something worthwhile from this: as history shows, our answer was not long in coming and was not always symmetrical. So good luck to the sawmills!
  36. rubidiy
    rubidiy 24 October 2015 19: 34 New
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    article about nothing. At the moment, all the most advanced combat lasers are a device that is huge in terms of voracity, which can only be placed on a large ship, stationary in the form of a turret (and only to shoot down low-flying drones) and on a heavy transport aircraft.
    In general, there is minimal progress in this area, but not so much that it is advisable to hang a combat laser on an F-35 that does not fit into any customer requirements. This installation will require an impressive power supply in terms of weight and dimensions, and combat capabilities are still extremely limited.
    In general, many of the promising types of weapons are now "standing on a stop" due to the power plant. So while some fundamental discoveries and inventions do not happen, we should not take seriously talk about combat lasers, Gauss guns, etc.
  37. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 24 October 2015 19: 59 New
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    Most likely, a duck, calculated to draw Russia into the next arms race.
  38. Kir1984
    Kir1984 26 October 2015 06: 25 New
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    yes ... hang a couple more steps, remodel the fuselage, put it into orbit and let it fly from there with this laser into the rebellious Mujahideen
  39. Flinky
    Flinky 26 October 2015 08: 21 New
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    Self-consolation. And it’s very weak. There are no such sources of energy - time. The beam is very easily scattered - two, this gun will be suitable only in clear sunny weather.
  40. SVAROZHICH
    SVAROZHICH 27 October 2015 12: 24 New
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    Another way to wash the headstock)))