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Brazil again postponed the purchase of Russian complexes Pantsir-C 1

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Brazilian President Dilma Ruseff has postponed the signing of a contract for the supply from Russia of the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft systems, reports Look with reference to a document signed by the head of state.


Brazil again postponed the purchase of Russian complexes Pantsir-C 1


The document states that the signing of an agreement worth $ 128 million 535 thousand, between Brazil and the Russian Federation on the purchase of complexes is postponed.

Earlier it was reported that Brazil will acquire the Russian complexes "Armor-C 1" in 2016.

The conclusion of the contract has been postponed several times already. Initially, the Brazilian authorities intended to buy complexes to cover the airspace during the World Cup in the country in 2014.

The main reason for postponement was always the lack of the amount necessary for the transaction in the budget.

Help newspaper: "Pantsir-S1 is a Russian ground-based self-propelled anti-aircraft missile-gun complex developed by the Tula Instrument Engineering Bureau. Designed for short-range protection of civilian and military targets (including long-range air defense systems) from all modern and promising means of air attack. ”
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 16 October 2015 12: 37 New
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    I want to buy, but there is no money.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 16 October 2015 12: 41 New
      17
      Yes, most likely, politics is again involved, or Brazilians are waiting for some kind of preferences.
      1. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 16 October 2015 12: 43 New
        +6
        They have opa in the economy, in fact. So it’s not the time to buy expensive toys. Moreover, the president of Brazil postponed signing. They will settle economic problems and sign most likely.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 16 October 2015 12: 53 New
          +2
          Most likely, our people simply do not want to sell them on credit - because for themselves, the economy does not shine at this stage.
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 16 October 2015 21: 21 New
            +1
            Деньги у Бразилии есть, с экономикой всё ок. Сейчас очень сложный политический момент, америнанскиэ служаки в правительстве усиленно катят бочку на Дилму, пытаются устроить ей импичмент. Речь о коррупции в особо крупных размерах. Виновата она или нет, уже не важно, главное "замешана в коррупции". Идёт сильная информационная атака по всем фронтам, все новости (понятно чьи) только и трындят о "коррупции Дилмы", и какое там заседание, и кто кого, и как будет или не будет импичмент. Угрохать какую-то сумму на покупку военных комплексов сейчас конечно будет ошибкой, новая пища для врагов, ведь зачем нам покупать оружие если войны нет и вокруг одни друзья, правда же? Те кто пытается её сместить, это не в счёт, это тоже друзья.
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 October 2015 22: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: crazyrom
              Brazil has money, everything is ok with the economy

              There is no money with economics problems
              Quote: crazyrom
              We are talking about corruption on an especially large scale.

              those. ?
              Quote: crazyrom
              It’s certainly a mistake to threaten to buy a sum for the purchase of military complexes, new food for enemies

              now there is no money in Brazil, just stupidly no. Everything is fine with the economy, and if the Fed raised the percentage, it will simply collapse
        2. udincev
          udincev 16 October 2015 12: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          They have opa in the economy, in fact. So it’s not the time to buy expensive toys. Moreover, the president of Brazil postponed signing. They will settle economic problems and sign most likely.

          Opa because they are not tame in the states, that’s why they’ll be like Brazil.
        3. avt
          avt 16 October 2015 21: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
          They have opa in the economy, in fact

          Come on !
          Quote: vovanpain
          or Brazilians are waiting for some kind of preferences.

          Именно что или . Наверняка вяжут контракт со встречными поставками своего чего то , ровно так как с Су , когда выкатили навстречу условия закупки гражданских ,,Эмбраев" .
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 16 October 2015 12: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, most likely, politics is again involved, or Brazilians are waiting for some kind of preferences.

        And what is their alternative? Patriot or MEADS are much more expensive (several billion dollars). There is no direct analogue of the Shell-C1 in the world.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 16 October 2015 12: 59 New
          +2
          Я бы на месте третьих стран ничего бы не покупал...А ждал бы ...Россия, США сцепились не на шутку..Может лучше бункеры строить.))))Ну если Россия выдюжит , "братьев" не будет...Будут все платить по счетам! am
        2. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 16 October 2015 16: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          And what is their alternative? Patriot or MEADS are much more expensive (several billion dollars). There is no direct analogue of the Shell-C1 in the world.


          Dear Lt. Air Force reserve, Brazil has developed an extremely tense situation caused by a serious political crisis. The position of the incumbent president cannot be called difficult, to say the least. Opposition parties are seriously considering the impeachment of the president.
          Plus serious economic problems.
          So perhaps this is not an alternative.

          Something like this, Dear. hi
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 13: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, most likely politics is again involved

        Brazil stupidly has no money.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 16 October 2015 13: 05 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Brazil stupidly has no money.

          Brazil's economy is almost the same as that of Russia.
          1. atalef
            atalef 16 October 2015 13: 19 New
            +4
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            Brazil's economy is almost the same as that of Russia.

            Total GDP in no way reflects the state of the economy.
            The only thing that really reflects it is per capita GDP.
            Russia - 49th place
            Brazil 74th - it's true for 2014
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 16 October 2015 13: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              The only thing that really reflects it is per capita GDP.
              Russia - 49th place
              Brazil 74th - it's true for 2014

              GDP per capita reflects the standard of living, not the state of the economy. If not 146 million people lived in Russia, but 10 million people, Russia would be in first place in terms of GDP per capita, but still far from China and the United States in terms of GDP ($ 1 trillion per year), roughly The Russian economy in the world has not changed. We need to increase the share of the Russian economy in the world, for this we need to produce competitive products and enter the world markets with them, and we have one local product.
              The USA sells on the world market: airplanes (Boeing), household chemicals (procter & gabm), soda (Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola), processors (intel), electronics (Apple), software (Microsoft) I'm not talking about the Internet resources worth hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. Let me remind you, according to US law, firms registered in the states and having production abroad are also required to pay taxes on production abroad.
              1. atalef
                atalef 16 October 2015 13: 50 New
                +3
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                GDP per capita reflects the standard of living, not the state of the economy.

                It seems to me that these things are firmly connected.
                There can be no good economy, with a poor population
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                If not 146 million people lived in Russia, but 10 million people, Russia would be in first place in terms of GDP per capita, but still far from China and the United States in terms of GDP (1 trillion dollars a year),

                I do not understand what gives you an indicator of the country's GDP? How is it related to welfare? This is not the average temperature in the hospital.
                How can countries be equalized in terms of GDP if in China there are 1.5 billion (and at least 750 million hands) and the same Russia, with, say, 75 million)
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                . We need to increase the share of the Russian economy in the world, for this we need to produce competitive products and enter the world markets with them, and we have one local product.

                You know, they say. how many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker.
                Therefore, 1.5 billion people will enable China to constantly occupy the first lines in this table, but what does this reflect?
                If per capita GDP in China is 6 times less than in the United States (at number 2 in the table)
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                The USA sells on the world market: airplanes (Boeing), household chemicals (procter & gabm), soda (Coca-Cola, Pepsi-Cola), processors (intel), electronics (Apple), software (Microsoft) I'm not talking about the Internet resources worth hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars. Let me remind you, according to US law, firms registered in the states and having production abroad are also required to pay taxes on production abroad.

                The United States sells EVERYTHING, with the exception of oil and gas. And her place under the second number in the table is not by chance.
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 16 October 2015 14: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  It seems to me that these things are firmly connected.
                  There can be no good economy, with a poor population

                  GDP per capita is the ratio of GDP to a country's population. An example of a good economy with a poor China. The country builds planes, submarines, flies into space (China produces almost everything), for example Luxembourg, which occupies the first line in the rating of GDP per capita, cannot boast of this.
                  Quote: atalef
                  I do not understand what gives you an indicator of the country's GDP? How is it related to welfare? This is not the average temperature in the hospital.
                  How can countries be equalized in terms of GDP if in China there are 1.5 billion (and at least 750 million hands) and the same Russia, with, say, 75 million)

                  GDP makes it possible to compare how much goods in monetary terms a country produces in comparison with other countries, that is, the share of the country's economy in the global economy.
                  This indicator shows how self-sufficient the country is in the world (you can’t impose sanctions on a country like China or the United States since the share of their economies in the world is 30% each), the larger the share of the country's economy in the world, the more independent the state can conduct an independent policy, more confidently yourself in the world arena (use the so-called soft power, economic power, and not brute military), the country's budget is larger, and as a result, the country has the opportunity to spend big money on science, space, the social sphere, and infrastructure.
                  It's about how to make the country strong in every sense (scientific, military, economic, medical, etc., etc.).
                  To increase the welfare of the population, it is necessary to raise the country's economy so that enterprises and the state have money to pay good salaries to employees.

                  As for Russia, everyone says that it is necessary to raise the birth rate of the country, but this is a double-edged sword, GDP is growing slightly and fertility is growing, so GDP per capita is not growing (I am not saying that fertility should not be raised), thus increasing GDP by per capita is only possible if the GDP growth rate is higher than the birth rate.

                  Quote: atalef

                  You know, they say. how many wolves do not feed, but the elephant is thicker.
                  Therefore, 1.5 billion people will enable China to constantly occupy the first lines in this table, but what does this reflect?
                  If per capita GDP in China is 6 times less than in the United States (at number 2 in the table)

                  China, mainly due to consumer goods, grew, just started to produce cars and enter the world market with them.
                  To raise GDP per capita, you must first develop the country's economy. So that in China, per capita GDP would be like in the USA, they either need to raise the trillions of GDP to $ 100 per year, or reduce the population (in China there is one family and one child program) to 300 million people (as in the USA).
                  But China cannot do either one or the other.

                  Quote: atalef
                  The United States sells EVERYTHING, with the exception of oil and gas. And her place under the second number in the table is not by chance.

                  This is what you need to strive for, not to earn money with your hands, but to produce by inventing high-tech products with your head. Also produce consumer goods on a global scale. And to tax companies registered in Russia and having production abroad so that they from those factories pay part of the taxes to the Russian budget.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 16 October 2015 14: 56 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    GDP per capita is the ratio of GDP to a country's population.

                    Do you think that I don’t know? belay
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    An example of a good poor economy China

                    An example of what? I still do not understand?
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    . The country builds planes, submarines, flies into space (China produces almost everything), for example Luxembourg, which occupies the first line in the rating of GDP per capita, cannot boast of this.

                    Lord, what have I got to do with it? How do you generally consider a country from the point of view of its construction of aircraft or the welfare of its citizens?
                    If on the first indicator, then we just look at life differently
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    GDP makes it possible to compare how much goods in monetary terms a country produces in comparison with other countries, that is, the share of the country's economy in the global economy.

                    Well ? Well, but what's the point? It always seemed to me that the country could boast of the welfare and longevity of citizens. not the amount of cast iron produced
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    This indicator shows how self-sufficient a country is in the world.

                    unfortunate Swiss and Luxembourgers. They have no oil, gas or submarines.
                    It seems to me that the 90-year-old Luxembourg pensioner (with a pension of 5 tevro) does not give a damn about it
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    It's about how to make the country strong in every sense (scientific, military, economic, medical, etc., etc.).
                    To increase the welfare of the population, it is necessary to raise the country's economy so that enterprises and the state have money to pay good salaries to employees.

                    Do not brag about GDP, but GDP per capita because China seems to generally strive for more than anywhere else, in terms of GDP (total) it is already the first and for a long time.
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    To raise GDP per capita, you must first develop the country's economy. So that in China, per capita GDP would be like in the USA, they either need to raise the trillions of GDP to $ 100 per year, or reduce the population (in China there is one family and one child program) to 300 million people (as in the USA)

                    reduce the population to 300 million. (in the case of China, it’s easier than bringing GDP to 100 trillion)
                    1. Lt. Air Force stock
                      Lt. Air Force stock 16 October 2015 15: 09 New
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      An example of what? I still do not understand?

                      Вы говорили что "Не может быть хорошей экономики , при бедном населении".
                      Quote: atalef

                      Lord, what have I got to do with it? How do you generally consider a country from the point of view of its construction of aircraft or the welfare of its citizens?
                      If on the first indicator, then we just look at life differently

                      For the welfare of citizens, high salaries and pensions, you need developed production, if the country's weak economy, where do you get the money for decent pensions and salaries?
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well ? Well, but what's the point? It always seemed to me that the country could boast of the welfare and longevity of citizens. not the amount of cast iron produced

                      Everything is interconnected. There will be no welfare in a weak economy.
                      Quote: atalef
                      It seems to me that the 90-year-old Luxembourg pensioner (with a pension of 5 tevro) does not give a damn about it

                      Luxembourg has a small territory and a small population. How to apply their model with a pension of 5 thousand euros to other countries? Luxembourg does not have to spend money on infrastructure development, the army, etc. etc.
                      The question is how a country that has an average or above average territory, a large population to catch up with Luxemburg.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Do not brag about GDP, but GDP per capita because China seems to generally strive for more than anywhere else, in terms of GDP (total) it is already the first and for a long time.

                      Without an increase in GDP, it is not possible to increase GDP per capita (it is unlikely that anyone in the world wants, through population reduction, to increase GDP per capita and thus increase welfare).

                      Quote: atalef

                      reduce the population to 300 million. (in the case of China, it’s easier than bringing GDP to 100 trillion)

                      It’s clear that it’s simpler, but in what way, their program to reduce the population still doesn’t particularly reduce it.
                    2. andj61
                      andj61 16 October 2015 15: 48 New
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Lord, what have I got to do with it? How do you generally consider a country from the point of view of its construction of aircraft or the welfare of its citizens?
                      If on the first indicator, then we just look at life differently

                      Immediately something familiar began to blow ...
                      Smoke for a thousand years, Comrade Stalin!
                      And let me die in the taiga
                      I believe: there will be cast iron and steel
                      per capita quite.

                      drinks hi
                      1. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 16 October 2015 21: 55 New
                        0
                        Quote: andj61
                        Immediately something familiar began to blow ...
                        Smoke for a thousand years, Comrade Stalin!
                        And let me die in the taiga
                        I believe: there will be cast iron and steel
                        per capita quite.

                        You probably think big salaries and pensions are taken from the air, or the state turns on the machine and prints money for state employees and public sector workers. Salaries are directly dependent on production.

                        I recalled one message on the Internet that a man told how he didn’t stand in line for 3 hours in the tax office and said you get a salary from the money collected from the people and make people wait for what the boss answers to us, the state pays money, the question of where the state takes this money, the tax officer answers prints ...

                        In the US, why is per capita GDP so large? Because GDP (all that the country produced in factories and sold + services)/Population.
                        You see the operation everywhere.
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 16 October 2015 22: 49 New
                        0
                        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                        Salaries are directly dependent on production.

                        From labor productivity, you wanted to say

                        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                        I recalled one message on the Internet that a man told how he, having waited in the tax for 3 hours, could not stand in line and said you get a salary from the money collected from the people and make people wait

                        Well 3 hours is not such a problem
                        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                        In the US, why is per capita GDP so large? Because GDP (all that the country produced in factories and sold + services) / population.

                        Oh well . while you live in such tales. You will not be caught up with America
                        America is a powerful economy, a state with 320 million people. Leader in technology. With an organized and able to work working class.
                        When YOU understand the difficulties of running after the leader, then you will understand what settings you need to set yourself for this to happen. (Catch up), and so, people do not understand
                        America doesn’t seem to be doing any damn things, and it’s not possible to catch up with it.
                      3. Lt. Air Force stock
                        Lt. Air Force stock 17 October 2015 14: 40 New
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                        Quote: atalef
                        From labor productivity, you wanted to say

                        How will you increase labor productivity without increasing production capacity? No, of course, you can increase the shift factor, only at night it is unlikely that many people will want to work nationwide.
                        Quote: atalef
                        With an organized and able to work working class.

                        But in Russia it means they do not know how to work. Somehow, Prokhorov proposed to increase the working week, and what is more, they work with us more than in Europe (in Italy, with all their siests, they work less and produce less, and the economy is not bad).
                        Quote: atalef
                        When YOU understand the difficulties of running after the leader, then you will understand what settings you need to set yourself for this to happen. (Catch up),

                        So what settings do you need to set? The problem is that the economy and production of the USSR was oriented toward military needs, and not primarily civilian ones, + there was no competition in the domestic market, and there was practically no foreign competition, hence the lag in computer production, etc. etc.
                        If tomorrow the military research institute sets a goal to invent a processor more powerful than the latest Intel model, they will fulfill the task at all costs.
                        Quote: atalef
                        and so, people do not understand
                        America doesn’t seem to be doing any damn things, and it’s not possible to catch up with it.

                        It's not about the people, but about the leadership, a recent example is some kind of an economic forum for attracting investments, all kinds of stands with investment projects are presented, and here they talk about one of them, a housing project around Moscow, the state is building near the metro and the road is developing infrastructure, and foreign investors should build houses. The question is, why is this? What profit will this bring to the state?
                        The government for state money should develop production that will always be profitable, create companies in which the state will have a controlling stake (this will give the budget more money than collecting taxes in the long run). To build factories and bring to the world market consumer goods: household chemicals, soda, juices, chocolate, etc., etc. (if necessary, give bribes to foreign supermarkets so that they host our products). In parallel, develop a high-tech market.
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 16 October 2015 14: 11 New
            0
            They sell Internet resources, it’s like sorry, and they have trillions of dollars from them ... trillions of dollars for how long, for a year for ten years or for the whole existence of the USA ..? Forgive me in your mind hi ?
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 16 October 2015 14: 32 New
              +1
              The Internet was conceived as a combat control and navigation system for the US and NATO armies. The system came out expensive. And then it was decided to divide the Internet into military and civilian. You were never surprised sometimes with a warning that either the service does not serve you or you do not have the right to visit this site . In this case, you get to the closed part of the Internet. They earn on the Internet selling domain names, advertising and many more ways to make money on the Internet. Trillions are earned in a year. Have you ever wondered why the Internet is called the World Wide Web? And yet, most Internet servers are located on territory of the United States, from the rent of servers, money is also paid, and not small.
            2. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 16 October 2015 14: 33 New
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              Quote: igorka357
              They sell Internet resources, it’s as sorry, and even with them they have trillions of dollars ... trillions of dollars for how long, for a year for ten years

              New companies are listed on the stock exchange and sold certain shares of stocks (including to foreign capital, so foreign money feeds the US economy). Enterprises like face book, etc. etc. functioning and making profit from advertising pay taxes in the USA.
          3. Papakiko
            Papakiko 16 October 2015 14: 33 New
            0
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            I'm not talking about Internet resources whose value is hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars.

            Which are actually overestimated ad infinitum.
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            Let me remind you, according to US law, firms registered in the states and having production abroad are also required to pay taxes on production abroad.

            I’ll supplement you with the fact that real production and real assets in all parts of the world were bought up for printed dollars.
            От этого теперь так много у "матраса" "союзников" и желающих поучаствовать во всевозможных "калолициях".
        2. zennon
          zennon 16 October 2015 16: 15 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Total GDP in no way reflects the state of the economy.
          The only thing that really reflects it is per capita GDP.
          Russia - 49th place
          Brazil 74th - it's true for 2014

          That's right. We rightly criticize our country for corruption, inefficiency of management, confused development strategy, etc.There is all this at times worse in Football. Plus a very sad state of crime. Here you can read:
          http://investbag.com/news/kak-vernut-ekonomike-brazilii-byloe-procvetanie.htm
  • atalef
    atalef 16 October 2015 13: 12 New
    0
    Quote: oleg-gr
    I want to buy, but there is no money.

    Brazil is a member of the BRICS, this year it seems like it was supposed to earn a BRICS bank - they could have taken a loan there.
    1. wk
      wk 16 October 2015 17: 09 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      Brazil is a member of the BRICS, this year it seems like it was supposed to earn a BRICS bank - they could have taken a loan there.

      it's not about the money .... read my comments below!
  • maiman61
    maiman61 16 October 2015 13: 15 New
    +4
    Serbia, Libya offered to buy S-300 from us, they did not want to! These are their problems! Sometimes it’s good to think with your head!
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 16 October 2015 14: 15 New
      0
      Quote: maiman61
      Serbia, Libya offered to buy from us

      I don’t know for Serbia, but for Libya the theme is this:
      Когда Каддафи чухнул(не без помощи нашей) за "палево" то попытался договориться.
      He ran to the GDP with requests.
      Ему обьяснили, что сильно оказать поддержку не смогут, "нет сил и возможности".
      Поставлять комплексы ПВО из-за глубокого проникновения во все структуры "демократической гидры" бесполезное занятие. Ибо комплексы будут выведены из строя (не по причинам массированных ударов "топорами", БПЛА или ВВС) или тупо сданы "калолиции". Экспортных модификаций разработанных не было и на разработку уже времени не хватало. Вариант с поставками комплексов из наличия собственных средств ПВО и прямое оголение системы (и так дырявой) НЕ ПРИЕМЛЕМ.
      И поехал полковник "побираться" по миру и размещать золото-валютные резервы Ливийских фондов. Его везде приняли и поулыбались, но продолжили подготовку.
      Калолиция здорово очканула и запустили маховик "арабской весны" раньше чем были полностью подготовлены.
      A preliminary result of all body movements is observed in modern times.
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 16 October 2015 15: 36 New
    0
    Well, yes, lava nane and Shell Nane. Maybe next year?
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 16 October 2015 12: 40 New
    +5
    Now is not the easiest time, a no brainer. But you can’t sell this equipment to another, it is probably tailored for the customer, starting from the language of pointers and instructions, ending with a variant of climatic modification.
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 16 October 2015 12: 45 New
      +5
      Brazilian Shells were not even made, because the contract was not signed. So everyone was happy and remained with their own.
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 16 October 2015 12: 41 New
    +2
    Let them buy in parts, then somehow they will put together into one whole ... The main thing is that Topol - M. wouldn’t turn out at the exit, otherwise it will be a scandal.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 16 October 2015 12: 45 New
    +7
    The President of Brazil is under constant pressure from the United States ... America's position is very strong among many prominent politicians in Brazil ... this is apparently the main reason for the postponement of the procurement ...
    And so ... if you want your airspace to be free - BUY RUSSIAN DEVELOPMENT MEDIA ...
    Everything is obvious))
  • udincev
    udincev 16 October 2015 12: 48 New
    +2
    The main reason for postponement was always the lack of the amount necessary for the transaction in the budget.
    The main cause of pressure. That's a bad rating of Brazil drew.
  • ayuric
    ayuric 16 October 2015 12: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: inkass_98
    Now is not the easiest time, a no brainer. But you can’t sell this equipment to another, it is probably tailored for the customer, starting from the language of pointers and instructions, ending with a variant of climatic modification.

    Well, it is unlikely that the signs will be in Brazilian, rather in Russian, in the worst case, English, and the climate there is more likely tropical, which means the Middle East and India are potential buyers.
  • TIO1969
    TIO1969 16 October 2015 13: 03 New
    +1
    Any promotion of Russian weapons, Russian business will run into opposition. Methods and schemes will be different. But still break through! The main thing is to be persistent and offer the really best!
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 16 October 2015 13: 19 New
    +1
    Да купят всё равно. Бабки будут - купят! Если америкосы правительство до того не "переизберут"!
  • Sakh
    Sakh 16 October 2015 13: 26 New
    -1
    Well, they don’t want, don’t. What them, persuade or something. Maybe they don’t need to.
    1. wk
      wk 16 October 2015 17: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Sakh
      Well, they don’t want, don’t. What them, persuade or something. Maybe they don’t need to.

      weapons are not sold on the principle of sausage on the collective farm market ..... whoever wanted, bought, who they like - sold .... weapons are sold in zones of influence .... Brazil is definitely the zone of influence of the USA .... no fake weather BRICS do not do....
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 October 2015 13: 32 New
    +2
    lack in the budget of the amount necessary to complete the transaction.

    Perhaps this is one of the reasons, but do not forget about pressure from the United States, which really does not like Brazil’s participation in the BRICS.
  • red rocket
    red rocket 16 October 2015 13: 38 New
    +3
    no friends in politics, only business!
  • Rustam
    Rustam 16 October 2015 14: 09 New
    +1
    Who would doubt that wink I always said that these tales from Rosoboron (Fomina) and so on are zilch, as here I remember for two 90% Uri patriots claimed about the orientation and turn of Brazil in our direction and so on and that Armor and so on will definitely buy and finally conquer the Brazilian market , yeah, wait by the sea for the weather
  • pts-m
    pts-m 16 October 2015 14: 36 New
    0
    business by business, and actually ... what the heck is a Brazilian peasant’s umbrella ... he’s a kosyachok and all his problems have been solved. A finer approach is needed with a thick club.
  • ilyaches
    ilyaches 16 October 2015 16: 02 New
    +1
    More than sure, the Americans (USA) stir up the water. Either they scare you with something, or they offer their junk cheaper, plus their help somehow.
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 16 October 2015 16: 21 New
    -1
    128 lyam is not such a critical amount on the scale of the Russian Federation, we will not die of starvation, but there is a purchase of armor in any way, the goods are good
  • wk
    wk 16 October 2015 17: 00 New
    0
    The United States in the near future will keep Brazil under its influence ..... so that in the coming years there can be no Russian weapons there .... all these negotiations within the framework of the conditionally existing BRICS water on jelly! .... and what does here is Kiselev who is Dmitry?
  • Thor
    Thor 16 October 2015 17: 08 New
    +1
    If the party is ready, maybe the RF Ministry of Defense will redeem them ?! If the export option meets our requirements, IMHO will not be superfluous !!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 16 October 2015 18: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Thor
      If the party is ready, maybe the RF Ministry of Defense will redeem them ?! If the export option meets our requirements,

      Если уж экспортный вариант то лучше всё таки продать например я думаю Иран "с руками оторвёт" и будет бесконечно счастлив smile
  • proletarian
    proletarian 16 October 2015 21: 57 New
    0
    They do not want, do not; let them defend their airspace with arrows and spears.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 October 2015 10: 26 New
    0
    Why do Brazil need air defense? From whom to defend?