Baltic: hard way back

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Expanding the borders of Russia and forming new alliances with neighboring countries is a matter of time. And there are hardly doubts that the territory of Eastern Europe will sooner or later return under Russian influence. The Baltic countries stand apart here, after secession from the USSR they beat all records of anti-Russian rhetoric. What will become of them? In what form will they enter a new state and will they enter?

Baltic: hard way back


Opponents of common sense

Having entered the European Union, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia made a gross geopolitical mistake. It’s not even that, say, the industry in the region was destroyed a little more than completely, or agriculture, which was actively supplanted by Western European farmers. The problem is different.

Historically, around the core of Russia (Great Russia) a number of territories was formed, which depended on it and developed together, developed and fed at the expense of the Empire. Yes, economically, it is the outskirts that took much from the center (contrary to the Western model of civilization, where the colonies are now mercilessly picked).

Before the 20 century, the Baltic nations never had statehood as such. An exception can be considered ON, and even then this is more of a joint Slavic-Balt project, which, we note, lasted quite a long time and even created real competition to Moscow.

The region did not have sufficient independence and could not cope with it when the mighty Empire collapsed. Russophobic politics in the interwar period involved the Baltic countries in a severe crisis. Those with historical the memory is short, it is worth recalling: in the late thirties and early forties common people here met Soviet soldiers as liberators. And no wonder: they suffered self-sufficiency, enough of it. Alas, apparently, they have not yet received enough to get rid of Russophobia.

So, now an obvious, but very important thought will follow: the Baltic states never, I stress, have never been able and can not build a strong economic model without the help of the Russians. This is impossible for a variety of reasons, and even the powerful help of the West and feeding credits will not be enough for this. 25’s hard years of living for Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians in independent states have not taught them that they shouldn’t spit in the only well in the area.

Baltic as a component of the Russian space

It is not known how many years must pass before the inhabitants of these small and proud countries come to their senses, stop dancing under the orders of Uncle Sam and follow common sense. But sooner or later they will change their mind. The epiphany will come. But it will be too late.

Readers, who are more than 35-40 years old, should remember how much money and effort was spent on keeping the Baltic republics in the USSR. They were a showcase of our mighty state, here was the highest per capita income, the greatest number of subsidies and all sorts of privileges. The Balts never lived so nourishingly and calmly as in the Union of 60-80.

However, over the years of independence, mediocre politicians have managed to sell off, destroy, destroy the most powerful potential that lay in the Baltic factories, factories and peasant farms. All this could be modernized and used with even greater profit - they did not even try to do so. Sorry, there were the works of millions of Soviet people who, with blood and then, erected the Ignalina NPP, the Riga Bus Plant and the famous shale hydroelectric power stations in Estonia. And just so you can not leave it.

In the foreseeable future, the Baltic states will become impoverished, half-dimmed and will be a pitiful sight. And I think everyone already knows to whom the countries of Eastern Europe always go for help when serious problems begin. Everyone got used to freebies, got used to the fact that Russians are doing the most difficult work.

Today’s Russia looks weaker than both the Russian Empire and the USSR. We cannot afford to recreate the economic structure of the Baltic States (for the umpteenth time!), Even if the region suddenly gets rid of Russophobic sentiment. Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians have betrayed us more than once, but their secession from the Soviet Union provoked a parade of separatism, launched irreversible processes of collapse, which is still very costly for all of us.

A lot of analysts expressed in the spirit that Ukraine, as a state that has adopted anti-Russian rhetoric and deliberately destroyed civilians, should not be restored. If the natives are so eager to destroy the factories left over from a great country - let them demolish, it’s worse for them. Equally it concerns the Balts.

The oppression of the Russian-speaking population, the deployment of NATO military bases and, in fact, blood betrayal - this can not be forgiven.

Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country, in whatever form it was updated and whatever colors our flag would be decorated with. But to work for them, to help them after all that was ... They will, frankly, not deserve it. And it is unlikely to deserve.
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  1. +96
    17 October 2015 06: 21
    But here is to work for them, to help them after all that was ... They, frankly, did not deserve this. And hardly deserve it.

    Do we need them after all that was?
    1. +76
      17 October 2015 06: 39
      We don’t need them, but there are a lot of Russian people there, well, it’s natural for the Baltic states to build nothing, let the fascist helmets take off and go work.
      1. +39
        17 October 2015 07: 44
        That's right. I will say more. When the Baltic republics had already separated from the USSR, they continued, without a twinge of conscience, to take advantage of the advantageous production position that was inherited by the Baltic states as a result of unequal investment of allied funds in the development of the USSR regions, for example, in light industry, in comparison with other republics of the USSR. Already at that time, the arrogance and Russophobia of the Baltic states at the level of the common people were striking. It was considered normal for them to continue, pushing up prices several times for their goods, to continue to use their existing post-Soviet advantages in the Russian market for the sale of their post-Soviet products and while belittling and spitting in your Soviet past. They foolishly considered themselves self-sufficient.

        At that time, I was talking with one such Russophobic entrepreneur from Latvia about her impudent, shameless statement that “Russians are b ... (cattle)”, said to her: “What are you, so“ civilized ”, such“ self-sufficient ", came to the" Russian cattle "to sell their post-Soviet goods, and did not move with him to Europe? You do not need Europe with your goods! Everything that the Soviet country has invested in you will be squandered and lived with you over time! Since it was created with the HELP of other nations with which you now disdain. As you were poor without Russia, then you will remain! ”The lady was aged and agreed with me, she said: "Yes! But somehow we did not think about that! Nobody here takes this into account. ”
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          1. +57
            17 October 2015 09: 03
            Quote: PlotnikoffDD
            Do we need them after all that was?



            They themselves may not be needed, but the coast, the territory without NATO bases, a free corridor to the Kaliningrad region - all this will be needed by strong Russia.

            In addition, they will be loyal - let them raise cows, produce cheeses and cottage cheese to fish, for God's sake.

            The increase in the domestic market contributes to the development of the economy.

            The logic of large and small states dictates the adhesion of small states to

            big, so it’s better to be loyal to us than to our enemies

            Would they be smarter - would remain neutral, at least, as Finland would receive from all sides

            1. +11
              17 October 2015 09: 37
              No, I think they won’t return, and we are not their brothers, and we don’t need them, although we can almost become neighbors and will become when the thread ...
              1. -68
                17 October 2015 10: 29
                So, now an obvious, but very important thought will follow: the Baltic states never, I stress, have never been able and can not build a strong economic model without the help of the Russians. This is impossible for a variety of reasons, and even the powerful help of the West and feeding credits will not be enough for this. 25’s hard years of living for Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians in independent states have not taught them that they shouldn’t spit in the only well in the area.
                .

                actually why? I always oppose such statements
                Who of course remembers, the Baltic countries have always lived at a higher level than the other republics of the USSR, many will say We fed them, laugh
                Tk regularly visiting Riga and especially Kaunas (during the years of the USSR) - saw mainly locally produced goods, which were not only in abundance, but also of higher quality, local Russian
                The villages and cities of the Baltic states were more well-groomed and clean, people worked .. well, let's say no worse than in the RSFSR.
                Why, suddenly they can’t build?
                The Finns could. Poles - could (both countries were part of the Russian Empire).
                The author, issuing his conclusions, does not at all mention one and the most (in my opinion) important indicator.
                The outflow of the population and its direction.
                Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia. Well, there isn’t this (they run to the West, work, etc .., although what does it mean to run - the EU is generally one country), but what would the Baltic countries return to the USSR (take-2) - well, you have to be still adequate.
                1. +95
                  17 October 2015 11: 05
                  I do not agree with you!
                  You just went there, albeit often! But you didn’t live there!
                  For the sake of understanding, I myself was born in Latvia, in the family of an Officer. And to this day in Latvia I have many friends and relatives, many of them are Latvians!
                  So, in the days of the USSR, the vast majority of working professions (positions) were replaced by Russian-speaking residents! Latvians, most often held leadership positions, for them were special. quotas for admission to universities, in fact, without a competition!
                  All industrial and infrastructure facilities were built by workers from all over the USSR!
                  As for local products, there really were a lot of them, VERY many! But this is not the result of the "great managerial talent" of the Latvians, but a direct result of increased funding from Moscow (read the entire USSR) and the enormous labor of workers from the Fraternal Republics!
                  1. -79
                    17 October 2015 11: 15
                    Quote: olegfbi
                    I do not agree with you!

                    Which part?
                    Quote: olegfbi
                    All industrial and infrastructure facilities were built by workers from all over the USSR!

                    So what now?
                    Quote: olegfbi
                    As for local products, there really were a lot of them, VERY many! But this is not the result of the "great managerial talent" of the Latvians, but a direct result of increased funding from Moscow (read the entire USSR) and the enormous labor of workers from the Fraternal Republics!

                    I don’t imagine how much the shepherds in Latvia would be grazed by the sent shepherds, the milkmaids were brought on a rotational basis from the non-black soil, and all the products were produced in Russia, but they secretly interrupted the stickers and sold them in the Baltic republics as local.
                    Correct me . hi
                    1. +59
                      17 October 2015 11: 20
                      I did not say that the stickers were "interrupted"! Read carefully!
                      As for the labor of workers from the fraternal republics, indeed a lot of people were relocated to Latvia after the Second World War and a lot of people were sent to construction sites, production facilities, etc.!
                      But Latvians really know how to graze cows! No irony.
                      Understanding, I’ll add: The Latvian language generally does not contain at all the terms and definitions necessary for serious mathematical, physical and other scientific works / studies! Hence a simple conclusion, using the Latvian language it is impossible to design serious construction / production facilities, it is impossible to calculate economic models, etc., respectively, it is impossible to conduct independent full economic and government activities.
                      1. -59
                        17 October 2015 12: 08
                        Quote: olegfbi
                        I did not say that the stickers were "interrupted"! Read carefully!

                        So where did this abundance come from, in comparison with the same Leningrad, and about the Pskov and Novgorod regions, I generally keep quiet

                        Quote: olegfbi
                        As for the labor of workers from the fraternal republics, there are really a lot of people who were relocated to Latvia after the Second World War and a lot of people were sent to construction sites, factories, etc.

                        Well, so they created all this abundance in the Baltic states?
                        Quote: olegfbi
                        The Latvian language generally \ does not at all contain the terms and definitions necessary for serious mathematical, physical and other scientific works \ research!

                        Good . there is English for this.
                        If you look at the scientific terms in Russian, then you will also find that a huge number of words are borrowed
                        Quote: olegfbi
                        using the Latvian language it is impossible to design serious construction / production facilities, it is impossible to calculate economic models, etc., respectively, it is impossible to conduct independent full-fledged economic and state activities.

                        Well, they say it. who does not want to learn the language.
                        It’s interesting how the Finns live either the Norwegians or the Swedes (nothing that they have a language similar to Latvian?) - the same kind of language does not mean either one, but the villains live, and not bad.
                      2. +25
                        17 October 2015 12: 34
                        I think it is absolutely hopeless to discuss this topic with you. In my personal opinion, you have nothing to do on this site! Better go somewhere to the Natsik Latvians, there you will be understood and "kindly".
                      3. -17
                        17 October 2015 13: 33
                        Quote: olegfbi
                        In my personal opinion, you have nothing to do on this site!

                        3 years ago, an emergency function appeared on this site. bring me and you will be peace and quiet hi
                      4. +7
                        18 October 2015 10: 44
                        And actually, why? Are you paid bonuses for this?
                        Thank God that a large number of Jews live among us, who are quite worthy people, and after all, having talked with you, you can become an anti-Semite, too, chur me!
                      5. +3
                        19 October 2015 09: 37
                        After reading your conclusions, I would like to ask, have you ever been to the Baltic States before 1991? If you want to find out the truth, read on, and if not, you can not enter into polemics. My wife has a grandmother from Latvia (father is Latvian, mother is Polish), and so she told me that they were "on the drum" who would lead them. Stalin's main mistake was the creation of collective farms, Latvians are not collective workers, like Estonians, read history, cities in Latvia and Estonia were built by German knights to govern the local population, and local tribes sat in their farms and worked for themselves and paid rent. This was until Tsar Peter drove out the Germans and took their place. In 1940, units of the Red Army entered the Baltic States did not meet with any protest, the local population would not have noticed our arrival there, if not for collectivization and repression, but this was unfortunately throughout the USSR. But after the war, they began to pour funds there, to build factories and farms. You can get and serve a "cow" in different ways. It is one thing to milk milk, and another thing to process it. Now about the Russian-speaking population. To be honest, this population does not cause me much compassion. In 91, a referendum on secession from the USSR was held in the Baltics and the majority voted for secession, and given that more than 40% of the population was Russian-speaking, it can be assumed that they also voted for secession. We wanted to live like in Europe. Only at the exit did they receive the status of "non-citizen". Since joining the EU, the Baltics are living on handouts from Brussels and Transit of energy resources from Russia. Port Ventspils (built during the USSR). Lithuanians go to work in Kaliningrad (Dzhamshuts cannot go there). Anti-Russian rhetoric will be there for a long time and it will be there until Russia becomes an Empire again ...
                      6. +2
                        19 October 2015 14: 49
                        They told you, but I myself from there (left Estonia in the 92nd) was born there, etc. etc. He built energy in Estonia and traveled almost all of it, there is nowhere to go there. Regarding the referendum in the Baltic states, your relatives from Poland and Latvia, as it were, to put it mildly, lied. 95% voted against secession from the USSR. But who and when (except Crimea) listened to some non-democratic referendums there. Regarding life in the Baltic states. Take and read the statistics in the USSR, at least such an indicator as the number of dollars (namely dollars, i.e. currencies) is spent per capita in the Baltic states and in the RSFSR. It turns out that the main foreign currency investments went to the Baltic states. And yes, in agriculture, collective farms were mainly fishing, but with the Germans, and with the rest, fishing in the sea was always a collective work. And in agriculture in the Baltic states there were mainly state farms, what is the difference, in everything, the state farm is a factory or factory, hired labor with agricultural specifics. hi
                      7. -4
                        18 October 2015 20: 22
                        And again - STUPID!
                      8. +11
                        18 October 2015 14: 18
                        Quote: atalef
                        Finns live either Norwegians or Swedes (nothing that their language is similar with Latvian?


                        God's chosen ones in their role - ibu hutspa and hubris are inextricably linked! it is surprising that the Russian language has not yet been forgotten, but knowledge in linguistics is simply staggering:
                        Finnish is actually similar to Estonian Swedish - with Norwegian (but in no way with Finnish), Latvian - only with Lithuanian; more "distant relatives" to Latvians are Slavsbut never the Scandinavians!
                      9. MMX
                        +1
                        18 October 2015 19: 19
                        So where did this abundance come from, in comparison with the same Leningrad, and about the Pskov and Novgorod regions, I generally keep quiet


                        You are doing the right thing to keep quiet. Because what you wrote earlier in this topic just shows your "level of knowledge" in the issue of discussion.

                        Well, so they created all this abundance in the Baltic states?


                        Are all the Baltic states?

                        Good . there is English for this.
                        If you look at the scientific terms in Russian, then you will also find that a huge number of words are borrowed


                        Do Latvians speak English?

                        It’s interesting how the Finns live either the Norwegians or the Swedes (nothing that they have a language similar to Latvian?) - the same kind of language does not mean either one, but the villains live, and not bad.


                        That's just the Baltic countries are somehow lower and lower in terms of economic development. Going to success ...
                      10. +8
                        18 October 2015 23: 23
                        So where did this abundance come from, in comparison with the same Leningrad, and about the Pskov and Novgorod regions, I generally keep quiet


                        So we did not observe this abundance of Baltic goods. It was just that the production of these republics did not work for the entire USSR, but only for themselves. And the economy of everyone else went to maintain them.

                        And before you mind answer yourself:
                        1 what minerals do these republics possess
                        2 with what industrial potential they entered the USSR, and with which they left it
                        3 and why, during the 45 post-war years, the whole economy and industry was built under occupation, and for 25 years of independence, having the glory of a window of socialism and the best economic and industrial opportunities for further development, not a single enterprise was built, on the contrary, we see not just stagnation, but complete destruction of the economy.
                      11. win
                        +5
                        18 October 2015 19: 22
                        But Latvians really know how to graze cows!

                        So it is necessary to develop abilities. Noble shepherds turn out!
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                      13. -5
                        18 October 2015 20: 19
                        You wrote - STUPID!
                      14. -1
                        19 October 2015 12: 47
                        Let this "Aleph" shut up ... Has no idea about the mentality of the Balts .... am
                    2. +15
                      17 October 2015 13: 45
                      So what now?


                      atalef, and now there IS NOTHING except banking services and staff in cafes and restaurants, well, of course, janitors and chimney sweeps !!! There are no normal, powerful industries! hi Everyone is fleeing to other countries, especially young ones!
                      1. +55
                        17 October 2015 14: 31
                        You guys argue without hearing each other. Everyone who lived in the Union knows that the Baltic states lived more satisfying than all. And no doubt satiety and gloss were achieved at the expense of the rest of the country at the behest of the party. It was a decorated showcase of the USSR, just as Greece was a decorated showcase of a capitalist paradise. The Baltic states could, as Alexander correctly noted ( hi ), live without Russia by analogy with Poland and Finland. But they didn’t want to. We got used to the Soviet freebie and decided that Europe, in return for the Russian boobs, would give them its own, but thicker. And Europe doesn’t give anyone a hit in the mouth. Therefore, they have to suck not a tit, but what they gave - screaming at the command and serving with a smile.
                        Will they return to the orbit of Russian influence? I think yes. The key to this is their important geographical location for Russia. As soon as the European Union seriously bans, which few people doubt. Crimea, for example, also has an important geographical position, and as soon as Ukraine crackled ...
                      2. +8
                        17 October 2015 20: 37
                        Quote: matRoss

                        Will they return to the orbit of Russian influence? I think so. Crimea, for example, also has an important geographical position, and as soon as Ukraine crackled ...


                        What for do we need them?
                        There are good people there, yes. Take people, let them come to us.
                        But the fascists dofiga there. So let yourself continue to fascist at home, abroad.
                        And do not confuse with Crimea. He was always ours and returned home.
                      3. +1
                        18 October 2015 20: 30
                        According to the EU, during the period of "independence" Lithuania has lost 27% of its population, Latvia - 26%. Ours are there now MORE. It is a pity that he is not in power.
                      4. +1
                        18 October 2015 20: 25
                        Except boobs, everything is right!
                      5. -1
                        19 October 2015 09: 38
                        Respect to you! Everyone starts competently and smartly, and then descends to stupidity and rudeness.
                    3. +7
                      17 October 2015 14: 34
                      Correct. Take a look at the numbers: the population of these republics for 1991, and today. Here is the answer.
                      By the way, you’re far away from Burenki, but working today is still easy there, no one else.
                    4. +38
                      17 October 2015 18: 09
                      Quote: atalef
                      I don’t imagine how much the shepherds in Latvia would be grazed by the sent shepherds, the milkmaids were brought on a rotational basis from the non-black soil, and all the products were produced in Russia, but they secretly interrupted the stickers and sold them in the Baltic republics as local.

                      Fantastic nonsense - under the USSR, the Baltic states knew how to work better than everyone, but having gained independence, they could not create a competitive economy in 25 years !!!
                      Bravo!

                      The point is a very specific policy of patronomenclature in relation to national and autonomous republics. In order to be aware, the USSR has made a showcase of the country from the Baltic states by means of an infusion of considerable funds.
                      He spent the entire service on business trips and was discouraged by how republican and autonomous capitals might look compared to the same cities in the middle part of the RSFSR. So that small nations did not feel deprived of the republic, they received subsidies from the state budget for which capitals and additional industries were built. In Central Asia, cities looked even more depressing. If you made a showcase of the USSR from the Baltic states and beauty and justice prevailed there, the Central Asian republics were agricultural capitals and cotton harvesting and often the absence of elementary roads dominated there.
                      The Balts lived due to the lack of Kazakh roads, the budget of Russian cities, the industry of the entire Urals, Vladivostok fishermen and there was no need to flood about drummers who once again became prevented from becoming happy
                      1. Are
                        +3
                        18 October 2015 09: 53
                        I can testify .. drinks
                    5. +30
                      17 October 2015 22: 20
                      Dear Israeli Nobody drove the boryonok, but the Baltic states didn’t give the food to Moscow either, I myself came from the Don, so Rostov DAILY drove three wagons of the freshest fresh meat, but he was not on the shelves of Rostov. In Latvia there has never been a queue for groceries, full abundance, and in summer food quotas increased for tourists.
                      So, don’t be nonsense, because straight tears are welling up from tenderness from the labor feat of the Baltic states am
                      1. +1
                        18 October 2015 09: 21
                        Yes - in Soviet times, went shopping in Narva, as you get into another world. An abundance of goods, compared with Len.obl.
                      2. 0
                        19 October 2015 14: 58
                        So this is whose cars they didn’t give me every weekend in the city laughing
                      3. +1
                        18 October 2015 20: 34
                        To Moscow, maybe not, but to St. Petersburg - EXACTLY!
                    6. +1
                      19 October 2015 18: 46
                      Quote: atalef
                      I don’t imagine how much the shepherds in Latvia would be grazed by the sent shepherds, the milkmaids were brought on a rotational basis from the non-black soil, and all the products were produced in Russia, but they secretly interrupted the stickers and sold them in the Baltic republics as local.
                      Correct me . hi

                      Economic and industrial development rests only on burenki? All industry and infrastructure was built by the USSR, just as the USSR did not, so everything that the USSR built, the Baltic Burenka licked its tongue. Yes, I was seen trailing and threw the hooves behind.
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia.

                      Full of such in Siberia, I think in other regions no less.
                  2. +11
                    17 October 2015 19: 20
                    And now they declare (people with higher education) that they did not need "our" factories at all, and it was the Russians who solved the problems of their drunks: the Leningrad peasants drank themselves to death and for them in the Baltic States they built hated and unnecessary factories - so that where to send them. And the intelligent (all to the last) Balts only suffered from this. But now, having joined the European Union, they are just happy. I have no words.
                  3. +2
                    18 October 2015 00: 08
                    health
                    that there would be no unnecessary accusations. Russian himself from Latvia. always hated their Latvian hatred of me. BUT FORGIVEN SO MUCH RUSSIAN STUPIDITY THERE WAS IN THE USSR !!!!
                    for starters, they created NOT a WIND of the USSR; there they created a buffer between the west and the USSR. THIS, as they say in OdEss, two big differences.
                    VEF was built by one of the first telephone calls in Europe, at a time when the lumpen did not kill business people, again thieves and business people are two differences. who does not remember mopeds with the name "Riga", too, excuse me, has nothing to do with Russians.
                    the author somehow very interestingly talks about the Riga BUS factory, and so the factory was CAR. and was located 40 ka kilometers from Riga. so somehow the author is not neatly propagandizing the inability of Latvians !!! I know Russians in Latvia who are not able to raise a business with Chinese money !!! can you imagine? Russian-Belarusian-Jews CANNOT.
                    I suggest that the commentators think, and why do Russia need these territories? if you need a buffer, then of course you can export most of the population to Russia. to liberate the territory and not repeat the stupidity of the Russians who built factories on the borders of their plants that could be at the enemy in a minute. factories must be built on their own territory. in the conquered territory it is necessary to maintain life, and create conditions for people to travel from there to themselves.
                    Agriculture . my mother-in-law shared with me the details of her life .... Believe me, among those FORMER Latvians who were NOT CLEARED by the Soviet regime there were quite a few smart people. lived hard. but they themselves worked. cleaned them ....
                    from my comment it is clear that among Russian fools no less than among Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians.
                    P.S. I implore you RUSSIAN PEOPLE DO NOT DESTROY OTHERS !!!!! you want to kneel down. I am Russian from Latvia will kneel before you Russian? Damn ...... propagandists fucking .....
                    1. +2
                      18 October 2015 19: 32
                      Dear, you could not help but be inspired so much. This is reflected in the presentation of your thoughts. We have to read them. Well, read your stream of consciousness. Do you mind readers?
                    2. -1
                      18 October 2015 20: 40
                      Put a plus, but with suggestions, contact Peter the Great.
                    3. -1
                      19 October 2015 09: 55
                      What a class! Well done!
                    4. +2
                      19 October 2015 16: 42
                      I object; The RAFs in Riga only collected, the engine, the chassis of almost all of the Gorky Automobile Plant. (genius) of the Latvian shooters is not justified laughing
                    5. 0
                      20 October 2015 08: 43
                      Then the man got so excited that it’s not that he wouldn’t start getting on his knees, as obscene for the site. What kind of reaction is this? I worked there clearly watching. But I remember how we worked out the actions during the air raid in the city. But here they have ... like BE ........... is a completely different matter.
                  4. 0
                    18 October 2015 20: 12
                    I think you have to be objective and dot the points. You were born and lived for a while. But write nonsense !!! I have lived in Riga for 53 years. He worked in serious positions and I can responsibly declare that in the Union NOBODY fed ANYONE. The Union economy was made by the LITERATE people. Each republic did what was best for it. Somehow at the end of 1972, while on a business trip in the Ludza region (closest to the RSFSR), I went to S.V. Yashkul, the first secretary of the RK CP of Latvia. I found him in an extremely dejected state. I was thinking about the question of transferring my region to the RSFSR. Cause? The yield in the region at the end of the year was 21,3 quintals per hectare and it is the last in the republic, and in the neighboring Sebezhsky district of the RSFSR - 16,5 quintals per hectare and it is the first in the Pskov region. And this is under exactly the same conditions. There were no quotas in the institutes. It's just that, as in other republics of the Union, national cadres were trained for nat. languages, by the way, anyone who knew the language could enter any university. And the RUSSIANS were promoted to leading positions of the Natsiks, such was the national policy in the Union. Again, I had to work under the leadership of Latvians, Jews, Poles, Armenians. There was friction, but in the normal production process. But, as soon as the boss was Russian, the principle arose - I am the boss, YOU! AND WHAT HAS GOT IT MOST OF ALL - FOR EVERY BREAKTHROUGH, FOR PERMISSION WAS TO GO TO MOSCOW. So for permission to build houses above 9 floors, it was necessary to obtain permission from the USSR State Construction Committee! And here our current "partners" have tried. At the 1988 Olympics, Latvians - volleyball players and basketball players, with the characteristic "partners" either illiteracy or meanness, were called RUSSIAN. Here's where the scraps went through the back streets! So you don't have to talk about "democratic" mantras about feeding stuffs ,,,,,
                    1. +1
                      19 October 2015 19: 01
                      Quote: bondarencko
                      So you don't have to talk about "democratic" mantras about feeding stuffs ,,,,,

                      They worked in the USSR in all republics, it was the centralized system that made it possible to do what was handy. It was in the system that all republics received what was missing, etc. The system collapsed and everything crumbled. The USSR did not feed the Baltic states for free, but developed power engineering, industry, etc. appeared in the USSR there. The USSR made it possible to produce products about which there are so many words here, well, they naturally produced themselves. hi
                  5. 0
                    19 October 2015 12: 45
                    Tochnyak .. My aunt lived in Tallinn ... And I know what and how ... TOCHNYAK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11 angry
                  6. RSA
                    0
                    19 October 2015 23: 39
                    Avtar Navierna Zabil :-) A Litovskam Karalievstve 1253-1263 I IedInstvinam Karaliom Mindaugas, Patti V Tiex Granicam Kak i Tieper LTU
                  7. RSA
                    0
                    19 October 2015 23: 39
                    Avtar Navierna Zabil :-) A Litovskam Karalievstve 1253-1263 I IedInstvinam Karaliom Mindaugas, Patti V Tiex Granicam Kak i Tieper LTU
                2. +25
                  17 October 2015 11: 39
                  Reading your comments, I’d like to say what are you doing here on the site, go where people with your worldview and perception of Russia as a country that is not suitable for you, which you always blaspheme, although almost all were born here and studied in Soviet schools life achieved.
                  As for the fact that you have been to the Baltic states and saw locally produced goods, this is logical because they were produced there, but who built factories and who allocated money for all this production, who gave metal, technology, etc. didn’t you think about it?
                  So do not belittle the contribution of the USSR to the development of the Baltic states and the standard of living that they had, they are 100% obliged only to the USSR, and now they are very dependent on Russia, if the GDP was not so pragmatic then the Baltic countries were no longer on the map of the world.
                  1. +6
                    17 October 2015 11: 47
                    +1000
                    You are absolutely right!
                  2. -29
                    17 October 2015 12: 16
                    Quote: KSergey
                    As for the fact that you have been to the Baltic states and saw locally produced goods, this is logical because they were produced there

                    Well, thank God fellow
                    Quote: KSergey
                    but who built the factories and who allocated money for all this production, who gave metal, technology, etc. didn’t you think about it?

                    What do you mean? The Baltic states were part of the USSR, right?
                    Quote: KSergey
                    So do not belittle the contribution of the USSR to the development of the Baltic states and the standard of living that they had

                    But I’m not belittling, just talking about the USSR — I can say that the Baltic states had the highest standard of living and that it was not just about money, that hundreds of billions were invested in non-Chernozem lands — but what's the point?
                    Quote: KSergey
                    they are 100% obliged only to the USSR,

                    They were part of the USSR. and their standard of living has always been higher and until 1939 the same

                    Quote: KSergey
                    and even now they are very dependent on Russia, if the GDP was not so pragmatic then the Baltic countries were no longer on the world map.

                    They are no more dependent, Russia is dependent on them
                    Russia does not give anything to the Baltic states and does not give preferences
                    They buy, so talking about addiction is ridiculous. Their dependence on Russia is nothing more than your dependence on the nearest hypermarket.
                    1. +15
                      17 October 2015 14: 50
                      Well, they say it’s bought loudly, they occupy it, they give it here, yes. And this is the first dependence on European banks.
                      Well, the second one is that from the supermarket, I think that if I start going to the supermarket and screaming that they are all aggressors and occupiers of the Security Council of this institution, they will kick me from there, and if I put a machine gun in my window aimed at this a supermarket (NATO forces in the Baltic states) - they will call the specialists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and they will roll me so that it’s not enough, it won’t seem.
                      Is the train of thought clear? Here is such a dependency. I would say fate. One word is a buffer zone.
                    2. +6
                      17 October 2015 18: 58
                      Turning to atalef
                      Oh, I'm afraid ... they will devour you dear with giblets ...
                      Pile up thoughts ...
                      There is no escape from historical realities, but you neglect them.
                      I note ... che era poi stato.
                      1. +3
                        17 October 2015 20: 17
                        Atalef is trying to argue, it seems fair to me, but the amount of knowledge is not enough so farts periodically erupt.
                  3. +15
                    17 October 2015 14: 55
                    but who built the factories and who allocated money for all this production, who gave metal, technology, etc. didn’t you think about it?
                    All is true and one more undeniable fact until 1940. The Baltic states are three agricultural countries on the outskirts of Europe where 90% of the population lived in kind. And in times
                    USSR business card and face of the union. And now? jo again ... and the European Union,
                    I see they like it well, so to hell with them, they arranged genocide for themselves, and what to worry about it hi
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                3. +11
                  17 October 2015 14: 29
                  Well, let's say. Small but proud they slammed the door from the USSR, and where is it all? Where are these miracle products? Where is this standard of living? Where is at least energy independence? Well? Show me? Where are the car factories? Where is the radio electronics? At least show their famous perfumes ..?
                  But in the USSR and Central Asia, she lived luxuriously, look at Tajikistan, what did the invaders take away the oaths too?
                  And they returned to Russia, and many, and many want to return, only they are afraid to stay without housing, and so they go to gas stations in Russia for a booze with a smoke.
                  Distracted, a little ... The question of goods and abundance, do not remove, where is it all ???
                4. -6
                  17 October 2015 15: 39
                  Learn the materiel, i.e. fundamentals of economics.
                  1. +2
                    18 October 2015 19: 42
                    Quote: serg 21
                    Learn the materiel, i.e. fundamentals of economics.

                    From under your flag hints that the basics of the economy are ukroamerikantam known? Justify economically at least one economic gesture of the power square. In, I wrote ... How is this word translated now? Like Puerto Rico, only unrecognized even by McCain? Give up your Maidan habits, here decent people mostly communicate. I wanted to be rude, write: "LEARN materiel." It's a good idea to add "please".
                5. +4
                  17 October 2015 15: 54
                  Quote: atalef
                  actually why? I always oppose somehow


                  And what did they do for a quarter of a century, after the "occupation" !!! ??? what request Actively caught KGB / FSB swords, so much so that it’s not like working in enterprises built by the USSR (well, there, work is not a wolf ...) but there’s no time to even continue procreation ??? !!!! request

                  but so that the Baltic countries would return back to the USSR (double -2) - well, you still have to be adequate.

                  Counter question: But what for do we need this ??? !!! what Let them respect the rights of Russian speakers, do not place military bases, and the rest, as they want !!! Yes
                6. +12
                  17 October 2015 16: 10
                  Quote: atalef
                  Tk regularly visiting Riga and especially Kaunas (during the years of the USSR) - saw mainly locally produced goods, which were not only in abundance, but also of higher quality, local Russian

                  But these industries were created by the USSR. The Balts have never heard of market prices for gas, oil, metals, etc. in the USSR. The USSR gave them a huge duty-free sales market. Now they have nothing of the kind. The Balts have been "independent" for 25 years. How is it going?
                  Quote: atalef
                  Why, suddenly they can’t build?

                  Enlighten that in general the Balts built over the years of independence?
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia

                  Since people are fleeing not to the Russian Federation, but to the EU, is everything normal with the Baltic states? Well, let’s say people will run away to the EU, but what to do with the states? It remains to be settled by refugees from Syria laughing
                  Quote: atalef
                  EU is generally one country

                  Especially the living standards of Germany and Estonia are very similar. Yeah. You would also drop a drop of adequacy
                  1. 0
                    18 October 2015 23: 43
                    The first answer is substantive. Bravo!
                7. +7
                  17 October 2015 17: 32
                  it is worth recalling that Finland "rose" precisely because of the active cooperation with the USSR. There is even such an international term "Finlandization". Would you like more details about Poland? What did they do there? Moreover, I think that both of these countries still maintain their prosperity precisely because they actively cooperate with Russia.
                8. +3
                  17 October 2015 18: 00
                  Excuse me - how much of that Russian population remains? And what is his age? Far beyond 60, 70. And you want a person at that age to break down no one knows where? Okay, the moth-boy 0 sat down and went and burn it all ... but after all the people there are usually elderly. And much. Read Lithuanian statistics ... everything is there.
                9. +9
                  17 October 2015 19: 51
                  Dude, you can see in my face what you don’t believe in! In 2000, I moved from Klaipeda to Kaliningrad. And I'm not the only one!
                10. 0
                  17 October 2015 19: 51
                  Dude, you can see in my face what you don’t believe in! In 2000, I moved from Klaipeda to Kaliningrad. And I'm not the only one!
                11. Are
                  0
                  18 October 2015 09: 49
                  During the USSR, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were fully funded, purchasing power and provision of goods were higher than in Russia ....
                  If you do not invest in the restoration of industry, then the Baltic countries will not see any income either. There will be no consumer demand (solvent population) - there will be no development ...
                  With a high degree of probability, I can assume that Russia (if these quasi-states are included in its structure) can develop the economy of these territories.
                12. 0
                  18 October 2015 14: 47
                  Worked locals ?! And what grandmas did they all build on! ??? You have been there regularly! And I was born there, in Riga !!! And I don’t need to fill in what was there ..................
                13. +1
                  18 October 2015 23: 08
                  The author, issuing his conclusions, does not at all mention one and the most (in my opinion) important indicator.
                  The outflow of the population and its direction.
                  Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia. Well, there isn’t this (they run to the West, work, etc .., although what does it mean to run - the EU is generally one country), but what would the Baltic countries return to the USSR (take-2) - well, you have to be still adequate.

                  Why, suddenly they can’t build?
                  The Finns could. Poles - could (both countries were part of the Russian Empire).



                  So you answered your question.
                  If we would like to build, we wouldn’t run away from our homeland wherever our eyes look, but we would build.
                14. 0
                  19 October 2015 09: 29
                  You have forgotten about the huge investments in industry and agriculture in the Baltics. They were simply given a lot of money. And at this time, the "careless and dirty" Russians in Russia lived in poverty. It's simple. Money!
              2. +17
                17 October 2015 10: 30
                At that time, I was talking to one such Russophobic entrepreneur from Latvia

                Now you can’t talk to them without a translator: there was a plot - the number of offices teaching the Russian language increases in the Baltic States, since they don’t know it at all (except, of course, Russian-speaking, that is, Russian in fact, the population)

                Author: In the foreseeable future, the Baltic States will finally become impoverished;

                1) In 1989, 1,38 million Latvians and 0,9 million Russians lived in Latvia, in 2015 - 1,22 and 0,51 million, respectively. That is, by and large, Latvia "dies out" only for account of the Russians leaving the country. In 1989, 3,7 million people lived in Lithuania, and in 2012 - 3 million. The number of Russians decreased by 2 times (to about 170 thousand). Here we also observe a decrease in the Russian population and, in contrast to Latvia, an overall significant decrease in the population. Estonia: in 1989 1,6 million people total, in 2015 - 1,3 million. The decline in Russians is not so noticeable. In the Baltics as a whole, we observe a noticeable decrease in the population, including a decrease in the number of the Russian diaspora.
                2) Latvia's GDP in 1990 was $ 9 billion, in 2013 - $ 9,5 billion (in constant prices). In Lithuania, GDP has grown significantly, as in Estonia. We do not observe "impoverishment": the economy has reoriented from industrial supplies to the Russian Federation to ensuring the transit of Russian raw materials to Europe. Hence the closure of industrial enterprises and, in parallel, the development of transport infrastructure (which, by the way, is under the control of Russian corporations).
                In general, it is wrong to seriously consider the Baltics (even as a whole) as some kind of self-sufficient integrity. Its total population is equal to that of the Krasnodar Territory, and the entire "economy" is actually reduced to transit. As long as Russian exports through the Baltics continue to grow, its economy will develop. Surplus labor resources will continue to emigrate to the EU and the Russian Federation.

                About the future of the Baltics. Its transit role can be used by the United States to the detriment of economic ties between the Russian Federation and Europe. Now it is already actually occupied by the Americans. They will give the command - blocking of Russian transit will begin. Europe can support the stars-stripes, hoping to oust the Russian Federation and take control of the transport infrastructure in the region. For a short time, this will hit the export from the Russian Federation, it will be necessary to develop its own port infrastructure in the St. Petersburg region and on the Black Sea, and to increase the sea transport fleet. As a result, after 3-5 years of losses, the Baltics will remain out of work, no one needs "agglomeration of highly civilized electors." Only in this case, I can agree with the author that "the Baltics will become impoverished completely, half will die out."
              3. +5
                17 October 2015 11: 14
                Quote: severniy
                No, I think they won’t return, and we are not their brothers, and we don’t need them, although we can almost become neighbors and will become when the thread ...

                ====
                ) will return if Russia will live better than Europe.
                life, as elsewhere, is different. if there were a larger population in the republics, it would be worse. At first they ate the legacy of the Soviet past, from the transit of ports, now the EU helps, so the development of infrastructure and much of the social network for EU money. Lithuanians, as the most enterprising, are active in all three republics. Finns are actively helping Estonians.
                cx is not so bad.
              4. +3
                17 October 2015 11: 21
                They are where the strong and rich, if we come to this, they will change the rhetoric and change Russophobia.
            2. +5
              17 October 2015 12: 11
              boulevard. Finns to become * neutral *, * needed * FOUR times to declare war on the SOVIET UNION and FOUR * to * rake *. It is a pity that AND IN STALIN he was a gentle and kind person. Many war criminals were not shot and exiled. Now criminals breed, raise offspring, share experiences.
              1. -7
                17 October 2015 13: 34
                Quote: Vasily50
                Finns to become * neutral *, * needed * FOUR times to declare war on the SOVIET UNION

                Can you name both the war and the dates of their declaration?
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              2. +5
                17 October 2015 14: 53
                The four-hour artillery bombardment of Helsinki was enough for the Finns to become neutrals.
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            4. +12
              17 October 2015 12: 30
              First of all, we need to change the attitude towards such "brothers" (Bulgarians again refused to provide an air corridor to the Russian transport company)
              We must stop putting ungrateful critters on our necks. I hope the 90s will be good lessons for the Russian Federation for centuries
              1. 0
                18 October 2015 21: 08
                Yes Yes! It was the EBN, after the "defeat" of the GKChP from August 26 to 28, 1991 by drunkenness in the hunting farm of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Latvia, on Lake Babelite, who signed (without having the right to) the independence of the three Baltic republics, which our "super-damocrates" call "Baltic".
            5. +2
              18 October 2015 14: 12
              Quote: bulvas
              In addition, they will be loyal - let them raise cows, produce cheeses and cottage cheese to fish, for God's sake.


              No, really! Attach the Baltic states only after they in full force will go to the EU to wash toilets!
            6. 0
              19 October 2015 12: 53
              Finland, alas, is no longer neutral, like Sweden
          2. avt
            0
            17 October 2015 09: 36
            Quote: asiat_61
            : .. the Latvian x ... yes the soul ..

            No. It seems that I didn’t hear from THEM, but some way - from a Latvian except x..rena not a shisha.
            1. 0
              18 October 2015 21: 10
              And again not so. My father is a stove-maker, my mother is a laundress, and I am a Latvian!
        2. 0
          17 October 2015 09: 19
          Tatyana, absolutely right !!! hi
        3. +8
          17 October 2015 10: 14
          I don’t remember writing no, but Dad, working as a trucker, already in the late 70s of the last century did not like to travel to the Baltic states. Natural fascists, they say, ask something — or they will turn away the mug, or say I don’t understand.
        4. +5
          17 October 2015 10: 26
          Quote: Tatiana
          Allied investments in the development of the regions of the USSR

          Even if the return of the prodigal son happens, then since it was no longer possible in principle. Today, they no longer remember the brotherhood of equality, etc. Today, market relations and rapprochement will only take into account the principle - you are me, I am you.
          1. 0
            17 October 2015 11: 06
            You, to me, taking into account moral and material damage for Russophobic policy, carried out at the direction of the West!
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        5. +6
          17 October 2015 13: 06
          The worst thing for them, if they still do not understand, is that they have lost their national identity, their individual culture, which they were so proud of as part of the USSR. In the USSR, national identification was welcomed for all republics. National costumes, languages, national (rather than religious) holidays, folk dance and song groups, all this was not prohibited. On the contrary, this was put at the forefront in Soviet ideology, and the culture of each nationality was pumped at the highest level. One VDNH was worth it. The Baltic states had much to be proud of, they even preserved part of the Slavic pagan culture by that time more than the rest of the Slavs. And powerful movie studios in every Baltic republic, which were not filmed first-class films? What about pop music?
          There is no longer any national identity. Europe does not need this. Only an extra reason for separatism, as it turned out. Who needs the Baltic languages ​​now? They are forced to ban the Russian language only because it will quickly supplant its national language. Very quickly, because in the EU no one receives money for the national culture. This is very noticeable at Eurovision.
          1. -1
            17 October 2015 13: 39
            Quote: Ledorub
            There is no longer any national identity. Europe does not need it

            Well, the most important nat. identity is language. how about this in the baltic? Have they already switched to English?
            Quote: Ledorub
            Who needs the Baltic languages ​​now?

            Baltic states, for self-identification
            Quote: Ledorub
            They are forced to ban the Russian language only because it will quickly supplant its national language.

            Do you think that the Balts would switch to Russian?
      2. +22
        17 October 2015 08: 16
        Most countries in Europe owe us their freedom, life and STATE.
        But the paradox is that it is precisely these countries that conduct anti-Russian rhetoric with some hatred.
        Everything ingenious is simple: we gave birth to them, we liquidate them (as pseudo-state entities). This is worse than children ungrateful towards their parents - this is a whole cult of hatred and envy, with all that it implies. Betrayal and venality.
        Having betrayed him once, he is no longer worthy and does not deserve leniency.
        Only the reorganization of territories and ethnos (no matter how cynical it may sound).
        It’s not worth it to regret and rehabilitate as with Bandera: there will be no problems in the future, as in Ukraine (the same pseudo-state!).
        They will be on the rights of districts and regions of the Russian Federation.
        This is just for geopolitical security reasons.

        But there are many such chimera-pseudo-states.

        It is unfortunate that our humanism and generosity (in the equivalent of the lives of Russian people) come to us sideways.

        No one should go unpunished.
        1. -3
          17 October 2015 10: 32
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Most European countries owe us their freedom, life, and STATE.

          Actually, who exactly can you name? Regarding statehood, especially.
          By the way, let's not touch the Second World War, because statehood of the main number of European countries took shape long before the Second World War.
          1. +3
            17 October 2015 11: 27
            Yes, no problem, we will not touch the Second World War, almost all the small countries of Europe received statehood from the hands of Russia after the defeat of France and Napoleon.
            1. -3
              17 October 2015 12: 18
              Quote: L10n77
              Yes, no problem, we will not touch the Second World War, almost all the small countries of Europe received statehood from the hands of Russia after the defeat of France and Napoleon.

              Can I have an example, please, well, at least from five countries hi
              1. +6
                17 October 2015 13: 03
                Regarding Europe 20 century: all the Balkan countries within the borders of 1912, Czechoslovakia and Austria after 2. And the fact that Israel exists thanks to the USSR, I think, and it is not necessary to stutter: where would the population of this country now be in the event of Hitler's victory?
                1. -2
                  17 October 2015 13: 41
                  Quote: L10n77
                  Yes, no problem, we will not touch the Second World War, almost all the small countries of Europe received statehood from the hands of Russia after the defeat of France and Napoleon.

                  Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                  Regarding Europe of the 20th century: all Balkan countries within the borders of 1912

                  which countries? if possible with dates
                  Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                  Czechoslovakia and Austria after 2mv

                  THE USSR ? belay how interesting you rewrite history
                  Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                  And the fact that Israel exists thanks to the USSR, I think, and you don’t need to stutter

                  Only the USSR?
                  Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                  where would the population of this country be if Hitler won?

                  Where would Russia be?
                  1. +6
                    17 October 2015 16: 40
                    which countries? if possible with dates

                    If you wish, you can familiarize yourself with this information. For example: the next Russian-Turkish war ended in 1829, in Greece 1830 declared its independence.

                    as interesting you rewrite history

                    The USSR made a major contribution to the defeat of fascism, along with the United States played a decisive role in the postwar reconstruction of Europe. Restoring the sovereignty of Austria and Czechoslovakia is his direct achievement. And where am I wrong?

                    Only the USSR?

                    And who at Stalingrad and Kursk and in all subsequent battles on the main, Eastern Front, broke the back of fascism?

                    Where would Russia be?

                    Russia took upon itself the main blow of fascism, having resisted in a fight with it, saved the lives of itself and many nations, including the Jews. In contrast, for example, to the capitulation of France and England hiding on the island. Or do you think that the USSR destroyed Hitler?
                  2. 0
                    19 October 2015 20: 00
                    Where there is, there would be! But Israel would probably never have happened. tongue
              2. 0
                19 October 2015 08: 27
                One example of a country owed to Russia not only for its statehood but also for its very existence. This country is Germany. Shortly before the invasion, Napoleon suggested to Alexander the First: "It is enough for you to say a word and nothing will remain from Prussia the next day, my army will not leave a stone unturned there." But the Emperor Alexander did not want the destruction of Prussia and refused Napoleon's offer. And after the defeat of Napoleon, the Congress of Vienna took place, at which the map of Europe was changed. So Norway left Sweden. If you're interested, read the history of the Congress of Vienna.
          2. +2
            17 October 2015 11: 36
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: SibSlavRus
            Most European countries owe us their freedom, life, and STATE.

            Actually, who exactly can you name? Regarding statehood, especially.
            By the way, let's not touch the Second World War, because statehood of the main number of European countries took shape long before the Second World War.

            ===
            if in the baltics, then estonia and latvia took place, precisely as the states "latvia" and "estonia", only after the revolution of 17.
            1. -2
              17 October 2015 12: 20
              Quote: Victorio
              if in the baltics, then estonia and latvia took place, precisely as the states "latvia" and "estonia", only after the revolution of 17.

              Like Finland or Poland.
              Just what is the connection?
              The Russian Empire collapsed, parts broke away from it.
              So to speak, you can even agree on such that 70% of the countries of the world are obliged by their statehood to England.
              1. mihasik
                +5
                17 October 2015 13: 06
                Quote: atalef
                The Russian Empire collapsed, parts broke off from it

                Well, first of all: the Russian Empire / USSR did not collapse, it was purposefully and deliberately destroyed in the tandem "what is outside, what is inside".
                Secondly: Do you know why there will never be a full-fledged USSR-2.0 what scares the USA itself?
                When the USSR collapsed, Russia took all the debts of the former republics upon itself and it was hard for us to pay them, especially during the collapse of the 90s-00s, but the Russian Federation managed.
                By the way, do those "independent and independent" people remember this?
                What now?
                How many former republics have managed to pick up debts during the years of "independence"? How are the fleas?
                Now calculate the total external and internal debts of these "prosperous" territories and ask yourself a question. Can we afford (and most importantly, is there a desire) to take on ourselves once more what these "proud but independent" have picked up?
                Therefore, the maximum that can be, this is what the EAEU came to. Don’t say that, but Nazarbayev and Putin are handsome, they have calculated everything: doing nothing to their countries is harmful!
                1. -4
                  17 October 2015 13: 49
                  Quote: mihasik
                  Well, first of all: the Russian Empire / USSR did not collapse, it was purposefully and deliberately destroyed in the tandem "what is outside, what is inside"

                  It doesn’t matter, outside or inside - it fell apart

                  Quote: mihasik
                  Secondly: Do you know why there will never be a full-fledged USSR-2.0 what scares the USA itself?

                  The USA itself is not afraid of USSR-2, because of realism.
                  Quote: mihasik
                  When the USSR collapsed, Russia took all the debts of the former republics upon itself and it was hard for us to pay them, especially during the collapse of the 90s-00s, but the Russian Federation managed.

                  Well, the main part was forgiven, but you yourself took it upon yourself and for this you declared yourself the assignee of the USSR
                  Quote: mihasik
                  By the way, do those "independent and independent" people remember this?

                  I don’t know, but what does it matter?
                  If they took part of the debts on themselves, they could easily claim part of the property (foreign USSR)
                  Quote: mihasik
                  How many former republics have managed to pick up debts during the years of "independence"? How are the fleas?

                  so what ?
                  Quote: mihasik
                  Now calculate the total external and internal debts of these "prosperous" territories and ask yourself a question. Can we afford (and most importantly, is there a desire) to take on ourselves once more what these "proud but independent" have picked up?

                  I do not know . I think the problem is not this, but the fact that the former republics of the USSR themselves will not want to.
                  What is it all about? USSR -2, you won’t be able to hobble New Russia to the end, but here the USSR is 2.
                  Quote: mihasik
                  Therefore, the maximum that can be, this is what the EAEU came to. Don’t say that, but Nazarbayev and Putin are handsome, they have calculated everything: doing nothing to their countries is harmful!

                  I don’t know, quotas for the import of products from Russia. Kazakhstan introduced
                  1. mihasik
                    +2
                    17 October 2015 18: 25
                    And what quotes on letters did not spread? Weak?)
          3. 0
            18 October 2015 07: 26
            respected! (or vice versa?) reading your comments all the time I ask the question: is my opponent adequate? you repeatedly demand examples, and when they are brought to you, you bashfully do not notice them, ignoring even the most obvious. Do you ask for examples of statehood acquired through Russia? yes for God's sake: Bulgaria. this country gained statehood precisely thanks to Russia, and not following the results of the Second World War, but long before it. learn materiel (history), as they say. further: the article correctly states that until the Baltic region became part of the Republic of Ingushetia, well, there were no INDEPENDENT state independent entities. All these countries gained independence EXACTLY due to the Bolsheviks. will you argue? Then the facts in the studio, please! hi
            1. 0
              19 October 2015 20: 07
              I think God's chosen people do not particularly like to bring facts! hi
      3. +2
        17 October 2015 08: 39
        there are many Russian people but mostly of retirement age. Many young Russians from the Baltic countries in Ireland and the UK.
      4. +4
        17 October 2015 11: 03
        A freebie always corrupts, especially for those who lack the mind to distinguish gifts from handouts, and a dependent attitude to grow up alone does not contribute. That is why EQUAL relations are the best form of communication. YTD.
      5. +2
        17 October 2015 12: 27
        Glorifying the Stalin years
        They will live under the banner of Moscow
        Forever happy peoples
        Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania
        (Sergey Mikhalkov, 1940)
      6. +1
        17 October 2015 13: 16
        Quote: ZU-23
        We don’t need them, but there are a lot of Russian people there, well, it’s natural for the Baltic states to build nothing, let the fascist helmets take off and go work.


        Unfortunately, you won’t be able to remove the balts from there, so there’s nothing to talk about with them.
      7. +3
        17 October 2015 20: 53
        It is cheaper for the local Russians to build housing here, but they will find work anyway, and it is not necessary to restore someone else's industry, and build our own somewhere in Kostroma.
      8. +1
        17 October 2015 20: 53
        It is cheaper for the local Russians to build housing here, but they will find work anyway, and it is not necessary to restore someone else's industry, and build our own somewhere in Kostroma.
      9. 0
        18 October 2015 00: 08
        all non-Russians in the Baltics to hard labor?)))
      10. 0
        18 October 2015 18: 18
        Let them remain in their favorite role: toilet cleaners. Russia is big, there are a lot of toilets.
      11. 0
        19 October 2015 00: 52
        Quote: ZU-23
        Needs are not needed but there are many Russian people

        This process is inevitable. Not only that, he is already going, but only in a certain sequence of stages:
        1) the collapse of the American world empire (it began with the discrediting of the main idea of ​​this project - the export of democracy);
        2) the weakening of the power of the world financial elite (began with the beginning of the abandonment of the dollar as the world's reserve currency);
        3) the collapse of the EU (began with the beginning of the EU being drawn into dubious American foreign policy adventures against the interests and will of the Europeans themselves);
        4) filling the emerging "vacuum" with new players. Among the latter, three have the greatest chances: Russia, ISIS and China.
        Moreover, the "battle for the inheritance" has already begun. What we observe in Syria. Russia's entry into the war in Syria means that we will not become simple observers. Where it works, we will agree where it is impossible (as in the case of ISIS) and we are ready for “fierce competition”.
        It is worth recalling that quite recently another “trend” was observed when, after the collapse of the USSR, they began to share the “inheritance in the form of Russia”. It turns out they started early. Our people did not allow this (the protective instinct worked - they elected the president of the GDP), and after the “rebound”, another “trend” began to develop and restore the state. It is in our power to maintain and develop this trend. But, for a new "global project" you need your own attractive ideology.
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    2. +30
      17 October 2015 06: 48
      I have been to the Baltic countries. The attitude towards Russians, to put it mildly, is disgusting. In a shop, bar or any public place, the Baltic states will not even answer if they speak Russian. My father, who flew there in Soviet times for training camps and competitions, says that in those times were the same. So let the Baldons continue to lick the heels of the European Union and the Americans. We have such "friends" worse than enemies hi
      1. +27
        17 October 2015 07: 22
        My parents went to the Baltic states on a honeymoon trip. This is the end of the 1960s. They were struck by the attitude towards the Russians. The shops refused to understand. My mother asked in German (she was a teacher), they immediately blurted out a smile and sold everything. It was good for them under the Germans- skins.
        1. +6
          17 October 2015 08: 55
          Yes, never give them any help, they wanted to let Europe pull them to Europe. The bad thing is that we do not have a normal program for the return of compatriots
          to the homeland.
      2. +13
        17 October 2015 07: 46
        Quote: Magic Archer
        I visited the Baltic countries.

        I’m constantly there - my mother doesn’t want to leave there.
        You are repeating an established myth from the 70s and 80s. Yes, then some stubborn Natsik (less in Latvia, more in Lithuania and Estonia) could not answer in Russian. Now, with rare exceptions (well, for example, the owner of a coastal inn in Kauguri-Jurmala), they will not answer you just because they simply don’t know Russian, or they know him the way we knew Latvian in the 70s.
        But. Nowadays, not knowing the Russian language makes you a much less competitive jobseeker for work within the country, unless, of course, you have gathered for paid toilet tickets somewhere in Iceland.
        In this case, the "unique identity" declared by the Natsiks in power outright loses not by nightfall to the "invisible hand of the market" when you stupidly want to eat.
        1. +4
          17 October 2015 08: 20
          Do you remember the story of M. Zadornov, how a taxi driver sang songs for him in Russian for $ 100 ?!
          1. -2
            17 October 2015 08: 45
            '' Do you remember the story of M. Zadornov, how a taxi driver for $ 100 sang songs for him in Russian ?! '' Listen less to Zadornov, he has been talking nonsense for a long time, supporting his popularity with outright chernukha. I haven't written anything good lately.
            1. -4
              17 October 2015 09: 40
              Quote: papas-57
              Listen less to Zadornov, he has long been nonsense, supporting his popularity with outright chernukha. Recently, almost nothing good has been written.


              close communication with RenTV to whom the brain will carry the power ... laughing
              1. -1
                18 October 2015 04: 09
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                close communication with RenTV to whom the brain will carry the power ...


                I didn’t expect so many fans of RenTV or Zadornov? pah pah even though Petrosyan did not touch .. laughing
        2. +5
          17 October 2015 09: 26
          Myth speak? I have relatives in Lithuania. I’ve often been there before separation. And I saw the attitude towards myself (although later Lithuanians appeared in my relatives). Myths means - well, well.
          1. +6
            17 October 2015 11: 26
            You have been there - I lived there and I come every year - there is nothing to do, there is a mother. If you read carefully: I wrote that Lithuania and Estonia "did not understand" much more often. But all this existed at the level, if not of arithmetic error, then at the level of a limited number of stoned ones.
            About Lithuania specifically. This year I was in Kaunas, Palanga, Klaipeda. Saw the "invisible hand of the market" in action. EVERYONE is switching to Russian - from a boy-waiter in Palag's "Cuba" (otherwise he won't work there) to an official of the city municipality (since I screwed up a cant with paid parking).
            1. +5
              17 October 2015 12: 25
              Quote: Moore
              About Lithuania specifically. This year I was in Kaunas, Palanga, Klaipeda. Saw the "invisible hand of the market" in action. EVERYONE is switching to Russian - from a boy-waiter in Palag's "Cuba" (otherwise he won't work there) to an official of the city municipality (since I screwed up a cant with paid parking).

              So this is normal, an adequate person, if he wants to survive in market relations, will be turned to face the buyer - and this is not a deflection, but an elementary adequacy
              Waiters spoke to me in Russian stores
              Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Montenegro. Croatia Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Switzerland, Romania, and oddly enough in one restaurant in Milan (near Milan Cathedral) - although I have no problems speaking English.
              What it says - adequate people, language brings together.
        3. +4
          17 October 2015 10: 21
          So let them starve in the toilets of Iceland. We now know what they are, thank you, no longer needed.
      3. +6
        17 October 2015 10: 19
        In high school, I visited Druskininkai and was shocked that the saleswoman in the store turned away from me and ignored me until she left when she turned to her in Russian - I wanted to buy ice cream.
        So, in my personal opinion, I have to wait thirty years until the very notion of Lithuanian / Latvian / Estonian disappears along with the Cro-Magnons, and there they already think about integration. Territory.
      4. 0
        17 October 2015 10: 34
        Quote: Magic Archer
        I visited the Baltic countries. The attitude toward Russians is, to put it mildly, disgusting. In the store, bar or any public place, the Baltic States will not even answer if you speak Russian to him

        Well, why, they answer, but the attitude is definitely not the best.
    3. +21
      17 October 2015 06: 55
      "There is no force that could break Russia. Russia will develop, grow and grow stronger. Everything will melt like ice, only one thing will remain intact - the glory of Vladimir (This is about Prince Vladimir, under whom the Baptism of Rus took place. - Ed.), Glory Russia.
      Too much has been sacrificed. No one can stop Russia. She will sweep away everything from her path and not only survive, but also become the ruler of the world.
      (Said by Wanga in 1979. Quotes from the book "Lyudmila and Wanga"
      Everyone will crawl back. Talk to the hard workers from Moldova, Central Asia, Ukraine. Everyone is tired of being "independent." The question is different. Do we need this !?
      1. +4
        17 October 2015 11: 50
        Quote: Observer2014
        Everyone will crawl back. Talk to hard workers from Moldova, Central Asia, Ukraine.

        do not crawl. They will crawl to work - yes.
        Quote: Observer2014
        (Said by Wangoy in 1979

        Prala-they are NATO at our borders, sanctions, etc., and we will throw them with quotes from a blind old woman.
    4. +10
      17 October 2015 07: 06
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      But here is to work for them, to help them after all that was ... They, frankly, did not deserve this. And hardly deserve it.

      Do we need them after all that was?


      They themselves are not needed, but the Russians living there and the land, I think Russia will come in handy.
      1. +2
        17 October 2015 10: 23
        Quote: Hiking
        but the Russians living there and the land, I think Russia will come in handy.

        They are not Russian, their nationality is non-citizens. If there were Russians, they would live here already, or they would finish off the remnants of the Baltic fascist scum through the forests. No, not needed.
    5. +5
      17 October 2015 07: 24
      Quote: PlotnikoffDD
      Do we need them after all that was?

      We need a field. No more.
      The West is trying to make a foothold. No more.
      1. +3
        17 October 2015 07: 43
        This bridgehead is of little use, for example, in the case of a grandiose schukher (if things go wrong for Russia), if I was not mistaken back in Soviet times, there was a plan to create a radioactive band in the middle of Europe, well now we can create a band say from Poland to the south and in the end ..., I mean, as long as Russia has a nuclear SHIELD, the bridgehead is of course what significance, but not as important as in the last war ...
        1. +8
          17 October 2015 08: 24
          "No more"..
          The fact of the matter is that "bridgehead" always means "more" ...

          And the theses of the article "come to their senses", "return" - are incorrect. There is already a new generation that does not remember and does not know what to think about and where to return.
          Therefore, in order not to fight with bridgeheads, you need to fight for the minds. And with this, in the last quarter century we have a full bzden ...
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    7. +1
      17 October 2015 07: 39
      We need, at a minimum, this is the bridgehead of the west on our territory, and it should be under our control. Everything else is secondary.
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 10: 26
        Pour it all with napalm, then populate it with barbed wire, gouges, anti-tank hedgehogs and ditches, scarp and minefields. It will be perfectly controlled.
    8. +10
      17 October 2015 07: 46
      Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country, in whatever form it has been updated and with whatever colors our flag has been decorated.


      what for? who needs them as neighbors, and even more so as an object in which you need to invest? or is everything perfectly done at our place? First you need to solve your problems.
      1. +4
        17 October 2015 08: 45
        The indigenous inhabitants of these republics have already disappeared. Their descendants, younger, will slowly disappear. Very accustomed to a freebie. They will look for her over the hill. Until they begin to drive them out. After all, Geyropa is already driving Turks, Arabs, Negroes. Chase and the Baltic-dill plebs. Start to come back. Inquiries will die. Politicians will heed. They will no longer be Russophobes there. Get smarter. And everything will again take off for Russia. A historical sine wave, if you like. It's a question of time.
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    9. +5
      17 October 2015 08: 44
      We don’t need them anymore! Do not need them!
    10. +8
      17 October 2015 10: 19
      Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - no, not needed, but Tallinn, Riga and Vilnius regions will come in handy. Perhaps the Old Man will fall into something in this case. In any case, the Baltic states are a threat to us. NATO troops a few tens of kilometers from St. Petersburg is not a buzz. And the problem of discrimination against the Russian population also has not gone away. Kaliningrad still remains an enclave surrounded by the territory of a potential adversary. Tch to return the Baltic states - a good option. The main thing is that treatment does not become worse than the disease. BUILDING NUCLEAR WAR WITH NATO FOR IT IS NOT COMMILF AT ALL. I do not really believe in voluntary affiliations. Nevertheless, the psychology of the Baltic states is not Russian at all. But if the Russian population and the friendly forces of Estonia and Latvia suddenly take power into their own hands (by any means), then the alignment may be different - to the extent that the Baltic states are so afraid.
      But in this case, do not repeat the mistakes of the 20th century and save them as national autonomies - only areas within the Russian Federation. Damn something I was drawn to conquest in the morning - probably because I have not had breakfast yet. laughing We Russians are always aggressive when hungry. angry
      1. -4
        17 October 2015 11: 21
        Quote: g1v2
        We Russians are always aggressive when hungry.

        It is sad.
        1. 0
          17 October 2015 11: 28
          A probable adversary. I remember you recommended a book to me, but for some reason only the cover was scanned. I look forward to continuing. wink
          1. +1
            17 October 2015 11: 30
            I tried the method from the book. But for some reason, my pictures of catching a crocodile with a fishing rod are not inserted at all. I'll try again.
            1. 0
              17 October 2015 11: 37
              http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/257/mbiz219.jpg
              That's how it was.
              http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/142/epwo471.jpg
              But for some reason this one refused to be caught.
              http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/682/qpxo448.jpg
              So I’m waiting for a full scan of the book, and then he will definitely not leave me.
              It looks like they didn’t get in again. Sorry.
            2. +1
              17 October 2015 12: 31
              Quote: g1v2
              I tried the method from the book. But for some reason, my pictures of catching a crocodile with a fishing rod are not inserted at all. I'll try again.

              I caught on the wrong river
            3. +1
              17 October 2015 18: 47
              g1v2 I will try to help you.
              1. +1
                17 October 2015 18: 49
                g1v2 take 2
          2. +3
            17 October 2015 12: 27
            Quote: g1v2
            A probable adversary. I remember you recommended a book to me, but for some reason only the cover was scanned. I look forward to continuing. wink

            at the request of workers hi
            1. +4
              17 October 2015 13: 19
              I meant that you scanned the previous book. Suddenly there is something interesting there. And here in St. Petersburg more than a meter crocodiles do not come across. Maybe it's about feeding? Suddenly, in that book there is something on this subject. request Whether it is in Anapa. There are two-three-meter crocodiles. Yes And as far as I can see, this book was taken from your personal library. Surely read to the holes. laughing So I will not lend it - you obviously need it. hi http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/933/qinm793.jpg
              1. +3
                17 October 2015 13: 31
                Quote: g1v2
                And here in St. Petersburg more than a meter crocodiles do not come across.

                Strange, at one time I was on Obvodnoye and a half caught
                Quote: g1v2
                Maybe it's about feeding?

                they are well caught in jamon. gourmets wassat
                Quote: g1v2
                Whether it is in Anapa. There are two-three-meter crocodiles there

                But they are volatile and usually fly in pairs
                Quote: g1v2
                And as far as I can see, this book was taken from your personal library. Surely read to the holes

                she is especially popular on
                hi
                1. +4
                  17 October 2015 13: 47
                  Surely lying am . Crocodiles in St. Petersburg are found only in two places - on Krestovsky Island and on Petrograd. On the bypass their period was not found stop . And in Anapa they are the most ordinary, only large - 10 minutes from the central beach. There is a crocodile farm where they are bred. I did not try to catch jamon - I take my word for it. And after the words about flying crocodiles, I begin to understand how the last book came to you. belay By the way, links from previous comments do not open at all? And then I have somewhere pictures with reference to the area should be.
                  1. 0
                    18 October 2015 07: 39
                    very, but I can put only one +! good
    11. +3
      17 October 2015 12: 26
      And why not?
      1 Great vacation spot (motels, pensions, rural tourism)
      2 Agriculture (silent, etc.)
      3 Non-freezing ports
      And no industry and no subsidies, only loans
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    13. 0
      17 October 2015 15: 19
      There is a theory that the RSFSR largely "dragged" the union republics, and getting rid of them in the 90s has more chances for successful economic development than before. The question is certainly controversial, but there is a good grain. As for the Baltic states, let them go in peace, and when they themselves return, we'll think about what to do with them.
    14. +2
      17 October 2015 20: 42
      And we need these "proud" countries on their necks, let them live as Western colonies, there are not occupants, but only juicers. Let them press a little longer.
    15. 0
      17 October 2015 20: 42
      And we need these "proud" countries on their necks, let them live as Western colonies, there are not occupants, but only juicers. Let them press a little longer.
    16. 0
      17 October 2015 22: 22
      Of course, we need to leave the agrarian country as a buffer between the west and us, not to give citizenship. Not to give subsidies, consider the population the third grade, export black soil, and so on, as our western partners are doing now.
    17. 0
      18 October 2015 10: 49
      What kind of ghoul is this Hitler and his henchmen, such a plague has created that people are still infected ... also the descendants of the peoples affected by the Nazi yoke praise them .. murderers who think they are higher than they are .. PARADOX . How can you erect monuments and praise these non-humans who considered you second-class people, scum, destroyed everything, AU BALTICS ???
    18. 0
      18 October 2015 13: 26
      Yes, they are unnecessary, but it’s worth taking the land. It is not good to have Western military bases under your belly, and it is better to have land communication with the Kaliningrad enclave. Only it will be possible to think about the sim when we get rid of the fifth (liberal) column at home.
    19. 0
      18 October 2015 18: 01
      I agree with you completely, I just want to add, it is important that our descendants and our children remember and did not forget this even when.
    20. 0
      19 October 2015 09: 48
      I agree. Let them go tries.
    21. 0
      19 October 2015 12: 41
      Shout together at .... th need !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bully
  2. +19
    17 October 2015 06: 23
    after this article, the Baltic states, they’ll buy another used tank at the pool ....
    1. +6
      17 October 2015 06: 48
      I don't think so, but they can invite more "300 Spartans".
      I don’t understand one thing - why do business through them? They will not change their position towards the Russian-speaking population, they will not stop pouring dirt on Russia. Disassemble the rails, plow the roads - all the same they go to a dead end, cut the oil and gas pipe and rewire the power lines - let them rejoice in independence from Russia.
      But ... "Business" - even for a cent ...
    2. +1
      17 October 2015 10: 22
      That's the calculation :) Faster than tearing up, tearing completely and crawling behind a bone, wagging his tail;)
  3. +10
    17 October 2015 06: 30
    Well, no, do we need it? She died, she died!
  4. +11
    17 October 2015 06: 33
    Even with a buy-in are not needed. And they will not die out. Now they will be augmented by the Arabs. Well, there will be a little dark-skinned Balts, after a while. Well, you have to pay for "European" values.
    Everyone chooses for themselves
    A woman, a religion, a road.
    Serve the devil or the prophet -
    Everyone chooses for themselves.
    1. +1
      17 October 2015 07: 25
      ... by the way - Satan - the fallen angel - is translated as radiant, because under God was the Archangel - one misfortune - betrayed his god ..
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 08: 20
        Not betrayed, but proud. For which he was expelled. Not cast down, but banished. Those. actually sent to the link. Most likely it can return if it repents. But pride does not allow.
  5. +13
    17 October 2015 06: 35
    We don’t need their sand and pines. Instead of Jurmala there is Sochi. We will build ports in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad.
    No hysteria is needed. From the Baltic states, the USSR had only problems. The collapse of the USSR went from these republics. Let them live on their own,
    and the West so beloved by them "feeds and protects.
    1. +4
      17 October 2015 08: 48
      First we grab the road to Kaliningrad, and there we will see.
  6. +6
    17 October 2015 06: 37
    Yes, let them revel in their independence. In FIG they are needed, let them live as they want. And in general, they don’t look for good from good
  7. +8
    17 October 2015 06: 37
    In the Baltic states, as well as in Ukraine, the Americans are already digging in. These so simply will not go away and will not be asked to be part of Russia. And therefore, it is not necessary to wait for the return of the lost territories.
    1. 0
      17 October 2015 08: 34
      Quote: 1536
      These just won't go away

      If only at their own homes a dudger would not start any.
  8. +3
    17 October 2015 06: 38
    Is that a provocation?
    What extension is the author talking about?
    Or did the author take a gun himself, putting on one foot a boot, and leaving the other in a slipper rush into battle? For joining disconnected?
    Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country, in whatever form it has been updated and with whatever colors our flag has been decorated. But here to work
    1. +1
      17 October 2015 06: 53
      Of course the article is about nothing. Its purpose is completely incomprehensible. What did the author want to say? Throw citizens in your pantry. The neighbors will figure it out.
      1. +2
        17 October 2015 07: 34
        Quote: TBM - 75
        The neighbors will figure it out.

        They themselves will not figure it out now, when we are able to neutralize the US corruptive influence, then yes, they will come to their senses, figure it out ...
    2. +5
      17 October 2015 08: 15
      sooner or later will come back under Russian influence

      и
      In what form will they enter the new state and will they enter?

      not the same thing. And the author connected them ...
      As part of Russia, they are not needed. A lot of effort has been spent in the past - now in the Baltic states the same lack of civilization (industry, science, education, independence has subsided and is degrading), as before 1945. We must raise our own country and fight the main evil on the planet, and evil spoilers without a master shut up. More precisely, shut up their own people. And to return the times of the USSR, when Russia fed and developed all the republics, and then, after the collapse, repaid their debts, there was no need. We need to learn from our mistakes, invest money and resources in our own country, develop infrastructure and science, build cities and improve the well-being of Russian citizens. Maintain a non-aggressive, consistent and adequate foreign policy, defend our positions and interests in accordance with international laws, and not contrary to them, (as the United States is doing now), cooperate, not contain for loyalty, persuade, not force.
      In general, the beginning has been made, there are a lot of problems, but they are solved, the main thing is to continue as it is now. It’s hard for now ... There have been times and harder ...
  9. -1
    17 October 2015 06: 39
    Of course they return, in the form of servants. Just change the owners from western to eastern.
    1. +8
      17 October 2015 09: 04
      Barboskin. A servant is an ordinary job. From such an attitude to the work of another person it smacks of snobbery, do you happen to have blue blood ?, or from the top ten Forbes? But on the merits of the issue, power in the Baltic states was seized by American fascist proteges, people like living and surviving, no one wants a revolution and the condition for a return to Russia is only the collapse of Fashington and the heyday of our state
  10. +4
    17 October 2015 06: 40
    But do we need it? It is clear that they will ask for everything back and soon I think. Finish ISIS, conduct a couple more demonstrations of power, and run the race.
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    1. +3
      17 October 2015 07: 12
      Quote: SeAl2014
      They have genetics against Russia ...

      This is not genetics, with genetics, since everything is normal. Before the crusaders' campaigns, they themselves were not non-Russians, only the millennium of propaganda still yielded results.
      1. +2
        17 October 2015 07: 25
        They do not like us very much, although they envy success and development.
        1. +3
          17 October 2015 07: 49
          Their genetics is not against Russia, their genetics is not against everyone, but against everyone, because from the very beginning the very idea of ​​independence was complete independence from everyone, and this requires money and not a little money, and for this I had to "bow" once. .then one more time ... so we got carried away by the most unbalanced ...
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      2. +2
        17 October 2015 08: 57
        Germans diluted Latvia, Lithuania Poles, many Estonia. All the Baltic states are Russian. Years will pass and Russian motives will appear in the genes of the Baltic states. These territories are not going anywhere. From us, from Russia. The same applies to the outskirts and Moldova and Georgia. The law of nature - if you want to eat - you need to work, and not to freebies to run away to idiots.
    2. +3
      17 October 2015 08: 19
      Quote: SeAl2014
      UkrAina, only small and very proud.

      Rather, small and nasty. Proud do not lick heels.
  12. +7
    17 October 2015 06: 46
    Not only to the Baltic states, but also to dill, it is no longer necessary to build an economy after their overt fascism against the Russians. They surpassed the Balts. Only it is unlikely that these lands will become part of a resurgent empire! Most likely, it will include new, Asian territories.
  13. +4
    17 October 2015 06: 50
    It makes no sense to even discuss the return of the Baltic states to Russia. Unless, in the form of an area, and then, in ... years or ... yat, when we need land. Litarabs will not work out of them, but they will significantly change the orientation of the Baltic states. They can add 1 + 1 and start thinking.

    But the fact that the venality of elites has no limits - we must take into account in relation to our "elites". hi
  14. +7
    17 October 2015 06: 54
    Is such a Baltic marked for us? The Baltic states are needed WITHOUT the Baltic states. Kaylo and saw in hand and on Kolyma.
    1. +6
      17 October 2015 07: 38
      Quote: Nasty
      Is such a Baltic state drawn to us? The Baltic states are needed WITHOUT the Baltic states.

      something similar was said by Alozievich by the name of Shikelgruber, but this concerned the Eastern Slavs. What is interesting, and thoughts about non-donations related to the Slavs were also expressed to them, and now they are repeated ten times by Russian users on this thread in relation to the Balts. So I understand the Hitler case is blooming in the minds of some Russians, and you seem to declare that you are fighting the Nazis, taking their slogans and ideas into service. Maybe first you will kill the fascists in your own brains, and only then with claims to your neighbors? and then you read your posts and from them it sounds like "Rusland uber ales".
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 09: 02
        Semurg, first understand the concept of "Balts" and "Baltic republics".
    2. 0
      17 October 2015 07: 38
      Quote: Nasty
      Is such a Baltic state drawn to us? The Baltic states are needed WITHOUT the Baltic states.

      something similar was said by Alozievich by the name of Shikelgruber, but this concerned the Eastern Slavs. What is interesting, and thoughts about non-donations related to the Slavs were also expressed to them, and now they are repeated ten times by Russian users on this thread in relation to the Balts. So I understand the Hitler case is blooming in the minds of some Russians, and you seem to declare that you are fighting the Nazis, taking their slogans and ideas into service. Maybe first you will kill the fascists in your own brains, and only then with claims to your neighbors? and then you read your posts and from them it sounds like "Rusland uber ales".
      1. +2
        17 October 2015 08: 33
        I could be wrong, but Alozievich was considering the option of expanding the borders of one European country, and on the branch only one interlocutor expressed such an idea. And the rest of the participants, it seems, only recall the residual negativity towards the Russian Baltic states, without going, so to speak, beyond the borders. No fascism.
        Py-sy. As a child, when I came with my parents on an excursion to Tallinn, I asked my mother why the aunt in the store did not want to serve us.
    3. +1
      17 October 2015 09: 00
      If by the Baltic states the former SS men are understood.
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  15. +7
    17 October 2015 06: 55
    We do not need balts. Well on ...

    A people completely ethnically alien to us. And from the common Soviet past there were only monuments that are now successfully breaking through. Let them stay in their Europe, or where they are right there.

    Who wants to visit, or to work - you are welcome, we will be happy. And to integrate ... No, really.
    1. +1
      17 October 2015 07: 45
      Rather, like a rabbit in a boa constriction will be integration.
    2. +2
      17 October 2015 10: 35
      On a visit, work is also not necessary. Let them work in Europe as they used to. Serfs at the Swedes there, courtesans in Germany. To us - do not.
  16. +3
    17 October 2015 06: 56
    betrayal - this cannot be forgiven.

    I completely agree with this. But the fact that the Balts will run back to Russia is not sure. Correctly wrote above that the United States begins to gain a foothold there under the guise of NATO and the Russian threat. They certainly will not die out completely, but assimilating is not clear what. Time will dot itself on I.
  17. +6
    17 October 2015 06: 58
    I’ll tell you more, these grief Europeans didn’t have a Toilet until the 40s. They ran for a hut. Darkness. laughing
    1. +2
      17 October 2015 11: 19
      And I’ll tell you even more, now in many houses in the central part of Riga there is one toilet for the whole staircase. Rather, the toilet on the stairwell is a building of the beginning of the 20th century.
  18. +8
    17 October 2015 07: 07
    Do you want a strong Russia? I think yes, then, first of all, order must be restored at home in Russia, and before that, how far is it. The Baltic states today meet "Western requirements" and this will be for a long time, in the future there will be "mini EU Baltic, to reduce costs", I don't think that the Balts themselves want to be under the tutelage of Russia, therefore, apart from business, we won't have anything with them, about conversations that there are a lot of Russians, look at Ukraine and you will understand everything, there are even more Russians
    1. +6
      17 October 2015 07: 33
      It is not necessary to equate Russians in Ukraine with Russians in the Baltic states, in contrast to Ukraine, Russians here immediately made it clear that they are second-class people here, and you know ... it does not contribute to mutual understanding, say in Lithuania and Estonia this is not very noticeable but in Latvia it still comes around in the future, the main thing is that the Latvians themselves are already beginning to understand that they were screwing something up there at the very beginning ... but the ship has already left and now we are waiting for the Arabs with blacks ... with real blacks ...
      1. -1
        17 October 2015 08: 12
        Quote: Bosk
        now we are waiting for the Arabs with blacks ... with real blacks ...

        By the way, this is such a turning point in eugenics and psychology, it will certainly take time, but I think the result will be, and the thoughts "Come on in the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, the Moscow region" are firstly harmful, and secondly, this is not the level of the state, but the bourgeoisie cities N
  19. +6
    17 October 2015 07: 08
    The Balts, in my opinion, crossed the critical size of the population, after which the extinction of the species is inevitable. laughing

    Natural population growth is negative. Crowds leave for the EU and successfully assimilate there - these are not Wahhabis. And after that, you can mark as much as you like in the gravel the nationality "Lithuanian", but if you are not the bearer of an original culture and an original mentality, then it will give nothing.

    Will die out.
    1. +4
      17 October 2015 07: 33
      Quote: Gormengast
      And after that, you can mark as much as you like in the gravel nationality "Lithuanian", but if you are not the bearer of an original culture and original mentality

      And what is original: besides the name the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the term Russian-Lithuanian principality was also widely used. Now they are trying to keep silent about this. All their originality arose after the Crusades, that is, alluvial, no more. And the language and writing, as well as the gods, everything there was purely Russian and no other. And what is the identity?
  20. +7
    17 October 2015 07: 09
    Not any industry. Agriculture and then Schaub fed themselves. At most one institute at all and that’s it. And for good, they are not needed in FIGs, they looked at us very high even under the USSR, and yes they always had everything and supplies and everything else. And what for once again feed these freaks. And our Raseic business is waiting for 17 years. I can’t understand them of these hucksters, if they think that they will kiss them in the west. A little that the loot will be taken away like stolen and all. Sanctions did not alert them, but in vain. There are enough thieves in tailcoats. And they know how to cut money no worse. And they don’t need competitors.
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  22. +4
    17 October 2015 07: 15
    Quote: 1536
    In the Baltic states, as well as in Ukraine, the Americans are already digging in. These so simply will not go away and will not be asked to be part of Russia. And therefore, it is not necessary to wait for the return of the lost territories.

    Quote: Nymp
    Not only to the Baltic states, but also to dill, it is no longer necessary to build an economy after their overt fascism against the Russians. They surpassed the Balts. Only it is unlikely that these lands will become part of a resurgent empire! Most likely, it will include new, Asian territories.

    I fully agree. It is necessary to STRENGTHEN the Russian Federation, and not throw out funds to those who hate Russia.
  23. 0
    17 October 2015 07: 16
    Right now Dalia will read this article and immediately request to Russia Yes ...
  24. +4
    17 October 2015 07: 20
    No, well, if it will be possible to return the Baltic states without the Baltic states, then why not. Moreover, the native Russian lands are much more than non-Russian.
    1. +1
      17 October 2015 18: 51
      It is true that the same Tartu used to be called Yuryev.
  25. +9
    17 October 2015 07: 29
    Instead of "factories, newspapers, ships" the European Union slipped Conchita to the Baltic states. laughing

    Lepota.

    A state in which there is no industry cannot be considered a real state. This is a certain territory.
    At the same time, the industry does not include: dog grooming salons, genital piercing, anus tattooing; insurers insurance risk reinsurance companies; shops for the resale of foreign-made goods; trading in virtual oil and paper gold, etc.

    What remains in the dry residue? Sprats, cheese, and the transit of Russian goods.
  26. +7
    17 October 2015 07: 39
    I watched a social survey in the final class of an Estonian school - 99% were going to leave for Europe. And so on throughout the Baltic states! When in 20 years the last Soviet pensioners will die out, the Baltic Gaster will come from Europe, sell their grandfather real estate and dump forever! Given how Russians are buying real estate, you can roughly imagine how, when and in what form these territories will return to us ...
  27. +6
    17 October 2015 07: 45
    The traitors made their choice, when they completely degraded and completely devoid their sovereignty and statehood with their own hands, they should be included in Russia as the Baltic Federal District or Territory, divided into 7 provinces along new borders, without the right to recreate nationally oriented entities.
  28. Stepan stepanovich
    +15
    17 October 2015 07: 46
    Quote: Magic Archer
    I visited the Baltic countries. The attitude towards Russians is mildly disgusting. In the store, bar or any public place, the Baltic States will not even answer if you speak Russian to him. My father, who flew there in Soviet times to gatherings and competitions, says that in those times was the same

    I confirm that hostility to those who spoke great and mighty was and is there.
    Why? The standard of living in the west is higher than Russian.
    It will become better in Russia than in the West, they will hate the West ...
    The Baltic countries - worm states, always strive for a well-fed master.
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  30. +6
    17 October 2015 07: 57
    The moral of this article. History is merciless, and Russia is eternal
  31. +4
    17 October 2015 08: 05
    Why bring these enemies back? What would they be fat at our expense again ???
  32. +4
    17 October 2015 08: 06
    "They were a showcase of our mighty state, there was the highest per capita income, the greatest number of subsidies and all kinds of privileges. The Balts never lived as satisfying and calm as in the Union of 60-80s."

    Were a showcase, became the ass of the gay union! Honestly, I do not expect them and there is absolutely no desire that people’s money would be spent in the future on their economy, on the economy of people who have poured so much d / e / p / b / m / a on Russia. And you, gentlemen of the Baltic states, I will say this, you live with a neighbor who knows how to be friends, but if something happens, you can clean the display window or even scratch it !!!
  33. +1
    17 October 2015 08: 11
    Guys, well, enough about the Mongol-Tatar yoke, which in fact wasn’t here to vap.)
  34. +6
    17 October 2015 08: 19
    Honestly, the author’s conclusions didn’t please; why did Russia take the Baltic states back? They don’t want to live in friendship with Russia, then goodbye, investing in a potential enemy - this can only be complete. You will turn away and they will spit on your back, if you fall, they will generally trample. Now it’s not enough to keep and swig gigantic money into the Baltic countries, as it was during the USSR.
  35. +2
    17 October 2015 08: 20
    Probably Russia needs the Baltics. Yes, there are a lot of Russians there. But I would like the "indigenous" Balts to gorge themselves on European "happiness" so much, so that they have an acute desire to be friends with Russia, so that they themselves ask for us. And so that they would agree to any terms of our friendship.
  36. +4
    17 October 2015 08: 23
    Those who say that we do not need the Baltic states need to completely turn away from it, etc. At heart I agree, but ... Our people are there, and there are many of them. Turn away from them? Moreover: hundreds of thousands of lives of our fathers-grandfathers-great-grandfathers were given for the liberation of these Baltic states. For the liberation of Latvia alone, 150 thousands of our ancestors were given their lives! They died in vain? I don’t want to think so.
    1. 0
      18 October 2015 07: 57
      you know brother, my relatives are in mass graves from Stalingrad to Berlin ... so what do I need to demand the accession of Germany? I don’t feel like it ... hi
  37. +3
    17 October 2015 08: 31
    Yes, we don’t need to be friends with anyone! Let them bring them to the European Union, they work there as cooks / breakdowns / plumbers (if the Poles are moved), and we will resettle these lands again! I hope here no one needs to be reminded how the city of Tartu was called in the 11th century ...
  38. +2
    17 October 2015 08: 33
    Any door is either an entrance or an exit. It all depends on which direction to move. So is the Baltic states. While they were of interest to us and the USSR invested in them, they were for us the entrance to Europe. And now the vector of interests has changed. And they became the anus of Europe. Yes, and Europe is not the same. Accordingly, I think that it would not hurt to fence off the anus with a sanitary zone. And we are the craftsmen to create sanitary cordons.
  39. +2
    17 October 2015 08: 36
    Author Ivan Gorshenev wrote a good "political statement"! And I will declare for the eternal - "there is no prophet in his own country" ...
    And we'll see ... drinks
  40. +3
    17 October 2015 08: 39
    Soon there will be no Baltic states.
  41. +8
    17 October 2015 08: 48
    I served as an urgent in Kaunas in 1988. After my industrial Chelyabinsk with typical buildings, the streets of Kaunas looked rather unusual and interesting. But the labuses ... Fewer than three people weren't allowed to fire us. You walk around the city, and the youngsters and those who are over 40-50 after him hiss "landing force ocupantas". Not infrequently it came to the compulsion to peace. Fathers commanders did not punish us if they instilled patriotism in Labus. But there were also normal people. They sold me ice cream a couple of times, and they answered in Russian. And then everything: "labo denes, tolyau pashtas" and so on. Let me summarize. Their latent Russophobia became apparent because there was no one to squeeze out their hissing teeth in response to rudeness.
  42. +6
    17 October 2015 08: 53
    No more games of national identity and support for national cultures - as practice has shown, this does not lead to the development of culture, but to the emergence of a bad and arrogant national "intelligentsia" on the outskirts of the suburbs, fattening on subsidies allocated by the center for the "development of national cultures". Moreover, it is not the brightest and most talented representatives of the outlying peoples who are enrolled in the "guardians of the national hearth", but any talentless rabble that has no chance at the all-Union level. But if the competition is not for the attention of the viewer, but for the distribution of subsidies, then they have no equal here. Well, over time, they and the rest of the people inevitably infect with their bad Russophobia.

    Therefore, all returning suburbs, if such a process of return will ever begin to take place, should be taken back only under long-term Russification. A couple of regional museums and ensembles to save songs and dances, for color, that's all. The principle should be simple: if you left the Union in national clothes, you can enter back only by removing them. Let the natives themselves, and their main children, live in the general Russian information field, study in Russian schools, etc. This is the only way to guarantee in the future from the development of marginal separatism.
  43. +4
    17 October 2015 09: 00
    From the category of "dreaming is not harmful." drinks These people, in the Baltic part of the EU, speak the language of money. They are convinced Russophobes. The majority of patriots are unlikely to be found among the current Baltic Russophobes. Xmopolitanism is in the trend, they live "without a homeland, without a flag" in any place where it is nourishing and soft to sleep. Their native land, it seems, is a blurred concept for the entire Eurotolerant territory. Let them knock down there. I think these Baltic countries can be bought somehow. And populate them with the current "non-citizens", because it is so fair. A move similar in meaning to "buy the Baltics" can be made. And the rest in the EU for cleaning Euro-toilet. I think that when Russia is "locked down" and / or the situation allows a similar option is possible.
  44. +3
    17 October 2015 09: 22
    They were, are and will forever remain the Baltic farms that received state status. And they will never become full-fledged countries. Kurats -Osols -Labuses ...
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  46. +3
    17 October 2015 09: 24
    It’s too early to say that. The Baltic states should ferment and independently (if it still has such an opportunity) decide in which way to follow it, let them try all the delights of the geyropa! Already hard, but nothing can be solved by force - we need a competent policy.
  47. +6
    17 October 2015 09: 27
    The Baltic states should relocate on their own (if it still has such an opportunity)


    That's it! - "if she still has such an opportunity"

    They now have a master - they lick him with joy. And they didn’t always love Russians .. - so now let them be only in the form of target designations - ... the villagers are ungrateful!

    1. 0
      17 October 2015 13: 58
      Shoigu controls the drone?
  48. +1
    17 October 2015 09: 28
    Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country... And it will look like a picture of The Return of the Prodigal Son .. Rembrandt .. Shaved, like a convict, the head of the prodigal son and his tattered clothes indicate a fall. The collar keeps a hint of past luxury. Shoes are worn out, and the touching detail - one fell when the son knelt.
  49. +6
    17 October 2015 09: 35
    A dog that has bitten a breadwinner and escaped cannot be taken back.
  50. +14
    17 October 2015 09: 36
    The oppression of the Russian-speaking population, the deployment of NATO military bases and, in fact, blood betrayal - this can not be forgiven.

    From time immemorial, the Baltic nations have been hostile to Russia, in their place they should be grateful to the Russian people for bringing them not washed Chukhons to people, well, that we have constantly biting their lactating hand for our neighbors, TV .... not grateful, we do not take revenge, but we remember.
    1. 0
      18 October 2015 09: 30
      In no case can you forgive. Nobody will respect us until we respect ourselves. Otherwise, they confuse and take kindness for weakness.
  51. -3
    17 October 2015 09: 39
    Do we need them after all that was?

    Let them remain Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians - we are not against it! And they will become Russian SOUL - you are welcome!
    1. +3
      17 October 2015 10: 03
      Quote: Rossi-Ya
      And they will become Russian SOUL - you are welcome!

      Estonian with a Russian soul? This will be funnier than Frankenstein's homunclus.
      And “you’re welcome” - together with NATO or separately?
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 10: 41
        Quote: Das Boot
        And “you’re welcome” - together with NATO or separately?


        This is for the next world. And somewhere far away from us, very smelly.
  52. +5
    17 October 2015 09: 56
    "even if the region suddenly gets rid of Russophobic sentiments."
    This will never happen. The reason is in the people themselves. They are quite happy with being a Eurosatellite.
  53. +2
    17 October 2015 10: 05
    It is unknown how many years will pass before the inhabitants of these small and proud countries come to their senses...

    The turkey is a proud bird, if you don’t kick it, it won’t fly.
  54. +6
    17 October 2015 10: 06
    The Baltic states will never stop hating Russians, at most they will moderate their hatred and graciously allow us to give them money, trade and other benefits, after which they will spit in our faces again.
  55. +2
    17 October 2015 10: 22
    Truly, we don’t need such “hangers-on” back. Let them poke around in their farms. And we need to raise the standard of living in Russia to such a level that all these former “bad guys” would line up for the right to be accepted under the wing of Russia. Otherwise, all we did was make showcases of splendor out of these republics, while we tightened our belts. Here is the distribution of nishtyaks under the USSR, but it was still not enough for them.
    1. 0
      17 October 2015 10: 34
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      And we need to raise the standard of living in Russia to such a level that all these former “bad guys” would line up for the right to be accepted under the wing of Russia.

      This is what the PRS said about Crimea and Donbass.
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 10: 44
        And if Poroshenko quotes Pushkin, what then? Burn, ban and destroy?
        1. 0
          17 October 2015 11: 33
          Quote: saenara
          And if Poroshenko quotes Pushkin, what then?

          so it’s the other way around - quoted by PRS laughing
          Quote: saenara
          Burn, ban and destroy?

          PRS? yeah that would be nice.
          1. 0
            18 October 2015 06: 28
            Quote: Das Boot
            so it’s the other way around - quoted by PRS


            Poroshenko didn’t come up with this. He simply repeated a well-known truth, so there is no quoting. We can just as easily talk about quoting the letters that Poroshenko uses in his speeches.
    2. 0
      17 October 2015 10: 43
      Well, how did the Soviet rulers so blatantly violate the fundamental principle of socialism “from each according to his ability, to each according to his work”??!. - there was some kind of valuing! How could we not step on this rake today?
  56. +3
    17 October 2015 10: 34
    Quote: Stepan Stepanovich
    Quote: Magic Archer
    I visited the Baltic countries. The attitude towards Russians is mildly disgusting. In the store, bar or any public place, the Baltic States will not even answer if you speak Russian to him. My father, who flew there in Soviet times to gatherings and competitions, says that in those times was the same

    The Baltic countries - worm states, always strive for a well-fed master.


    There is no shortage of worms in Poland, Bulgaria, Ukraine, etc. and so on. If the worms simply sucked from their striped host, it would only be a matter of their orientation. So they also need to bark at us, and the louder the better.
  57. +4
    17 October 2015 10: 36
    That is, the author of the article regrets those times when the national outskirts developed at the expense of the center (in fact, at the expense of the RSFSR), and huge amounts of money were poured into the economy of the Baltic republics in order to make them a showcase of our achievements? This national policy is one of the main mistakes of the Soviet leadership. In order to “hold territories” there is no need to appease national minorities with subsidies; there are other methods. So the EU treated these “countries” exactly as they deserved: greedy on Soviet subsidies, lazy but proud freeloaders were left without pants (without an economy) and are slowly scattering throughout gay Europe. It is enough for the West that the “small but proud” are ruled by puppet Gauleiters who carry out the desired policies. The true owners of the “Baltic countries” don’t give a damn about the population from a high tower, well, that’s what they fought for, that’s what they ran into, go around Europe to clean toilets! Liberate the territory, then, someday, you will find someone to populate it.
  58. +3
    17 October 2015 10: 43
    am Why should we think about these traitors? Separate themselves and let them live on their own. We don't need them. And even more so to develop them. They went to Europe! I believe that we need to think no longer about the republics, but about the regions of Russia where the Russian population traditionally lives. Otherwise, it is still unknown how it might turn out in history with the republics.
  59. +2
    17 October 2015 10: 51
    Guys, you can complain as much as you like about the Baltic states and other republics that “fed from the center,” but it was the center that threw everyone away when it announced the state sovereignty of the RSFSR in 1990 and the priority of the laws of the RSFSR over the laws of the USSR. All this Russophobia was cultivated precisely through the fault of the center, and perhaps with the intent to make it easier to cut down the country.
    1. +2
      17 October 2015 11: 11
      The Baltic states have always been Russophobic. Friends of my parents talked about this in the seventies, I personally saw it in 1986, when there could still be no talk of the sovereignty of the RSFSR. So there is no need to shift from a sore head to a healthy one.
      1. +4
        17 October 2015 12: 24
        There were preconditions for the spread of anti-Sovietism and Russophobia, so they had to be eradicated! What did you think?
    2. +4
      17 October 2015 13: 20
      As they say, every accident has a full name. In this case - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich, etc., and not some faceless “center”.
      1. +3
        17 October 2015 16: 22
        Why haven’t they been executed yet?!
      2. +1
        17 October 2015 22: 01
        Yes, the center is too faceless. It would be more correct to say Russia. It was the Russian leadership that played a decisive role in the collapse of the USSR. The RSFSR was “first among equals” and therefore we can say that its leadership betrayed everyone so that it would be convenient to cut.
  60. +2
    17 October 2015 11: 02
    And how is it that he served in the Mongolian People's Republic in the seventies, the time has come to be replaced in the interior of the country, At the family council they began to choose where to go next to serve and began to argue - to the Baltic states, no, it's satisfying there, but the Nazis, to Ukraine, it's warm and satisfying, but there are Banderaites, in Belarus - there are more or less adequate people there, although it was satisfying only in Minsk, where they served for more than 16 years, and their children grew up there. I had no complaints about this republic until Shushkevich and ardent nationalists from the Belarusian Popular Front came to power, I had to return home to Russia. What do I mean, even then there was an opinion about our republics among citizens.
  61. +6
    17 October 2015 11: 22
    Latest news from Lithuania. I haven't been there for a year. The changes are dramatic. There are significantly fewer Russian buyers. Sellers who speak Russian, too. The youth have been thoroughly brainwashed. They are actively learning English, hoping to leave. During the holidays they spend something like “Zarnitsa”, preparing to partisan in the swamps against the troops of Belarus. There are entire presentations and photo reports prepared for souvenirs on this topic. And in these games, according to the script, the presenters always win. It's finally arrived. They began to restore agriculture at a frantic pace, spitting on benefits from the European Union. The Suvalkija region, and Aukštaitija in general, have already been plowed up. Farm system. Every piece of land costs money. The remains of Soviet farms are being sold by government officials. Naturally, not without benefit for yourself. The herds of cows are still small, but compared to a year earlier, they are already much larger. The tractors in the fields are all entirely Soviet - T-shki, there are even T-150s, Belarusians, self-propelled chassis. I talked to the farmer - he immediately began asking to find out how to buy a new Belarus cheaper. When I asked about John Deere, he swore rudely. He said that the neighboring farm had already taken a sip of this goodness. The warranty expired and the car stopped working. The spare part costs as much as a new Belarusian. They sell honey to Germany and sheep to Sweden. For the sake of honey, a farmer I knew in Germany built a new honey distillation workshop, with European requirements for cleanliness. Otherwise, they would not give a delivery certificate. They are terribly afraid of refugees - blacks and Arabs. But in response to my question - what are you doing so that they don’t come - they mumble stupidly, saying, what can we do? I told them openly: what they came for, that’s what they found. Now you will be fucked to the fullest. And you won't be able to buck. You have already replaced the “occupation” troops of the Baltic Military District with the troops of Washington. The farmer's son is whining. He received a conscription notice for 1,5 years. He doesn’t know what to do - his father is old. If he leaves to serve, the farm will be closed. It will go bankrupt. We chose the Ukrainian method of the initial stage - the first wave of conscription. Bring it in. Let's see how it turns out for them :-)). Europe, sir
  62. +2
    17 October 2015 11: 30
    The European Union is a vampire that accepts other countries into its union only with the goal of taking away all the best from them, ruining the economy and dragging them into credit networks. This is exactly how the Baltic countries ended up in the ass and in the ass. And so that they bellow louder against Russia, they are given money and fed from their hands. The European Union does not have long to shake the EU. It will soon begin to fall apart - it is already bursting at the seams. And then the Baltic states will change their song.
    1. +3
      17 October 2015 13: 25
      Quote: Fox_1959
      This is exactly how the Baltic countries ended up in the ass and in the ass.

      This is the right place, they were eager to go there themselves. “Baltic countries” - in my opinion, should be put in quotation marks, these are not countries, but Reichskommissariats.
  63. +4
    17 October 2015 11: 59
    something like this ...

  64. +3
    17 October 2015 12: 44
    Quote: Eugene-Eugene
    About the future of the Baltics. Its transit role can be used by the United States to the detriment of economic ties between the Russian Federation and Europe. Now it is already actually occupied by the Americans. They will give the command - blocking of Russian transit will begin. Europe can support the stars-stripes, hoping to oust the Russian Federation and take control of the transport infrastructure in the region. For a short time, this will hit the export from the Russian Federation, it will be necessary to develop its own port infrastructure in the St. Petersburg region and on the Black Sea, and to increase the sea transport fleet. As a result, after 3-5 years of losses, the Baltics will remain out of work, no one needs "agglomeration of highly civilized electors." Only in this case, I can agree with the author that "the Baltics will become impoverished completely, half will die out."


    Now a slightly different scenario is being implemented, although very similar. Russia is proactively building infrastructure and reducing transit through Latvia. So the result for the Baltic states will be the same - impoverishment..., but without help in this process, both and geyrops.
  65. +2
    17 October 2015 12: 53
    The optimal solution to the Baltic problem.
    Father quickly cuts off three plots in the north for his beloved collective farm. He puts everyone who can’t pass the Unified State Exam in Russian or Belarusian into heated cars and sends them to Europe. And we forever forget that there were once spratlands here.
  66. +4
    17 October 2015 12: 59
    Quote: olegfbi
    Russia is proactively building infrastructure and reducing transit through Latvia. So the result for the Baltic states will be one - impoverishment


    The processes are similar to those occurring in the 25-35 years of the last century. The Baltic states went to Europe for the first time then. The Soviet period allowed it to partially recover. This won't happen now.
    I have an idea of ​​the state of thinking of the youth there. Lithuanian and Latvian girls are categorically not inclined to give birth. Moreover, 5-7 children each, like Palestinians or Sunnis. The result will be the extinction of the Baltic ethnic groups in the next 30 years. No matter how much you learn the Lithuanian language, if there is no one to pass it on to, things are rubbish. The daughter of a Lithuanian acquaintance, who has been living not very richly as a small servant in Mallorca for many years, already categorically refuses to speak with her father and mother in Lithuanian, but speaks fluently in English, German, and Spanish. This is assimilation. Those who left will never be Lithuanians, since their children will not be Lithuanians. And almost everyone among the Baltic youth dreams of leaving.
    1. +2
      17 October 2015 13: 05
      Yes exactly! I know that I myself have many friends and relatives in Latvia.
  67. 0
    17 October 2015 12: 59
    In a hundred years the Baltic states will be Russian.
  68. +3
    17 October 2015 13: 43
    The Baltics are already moaning that they are sending migrants and are very unhappy with this turnaround, they wanted a better life - get it signed. Dalia decided to get away from dependence on Russian gas, built an infrastructure for LNG and will receive gas from Norway and Qatar at a price of about $500 per barrel, the flag is in her hands. There are only old people and children left in the country, young people are leaving for the West at a record pace, the Balts themselves are laughing NATO has supplied some old rust instead of military equipment and 100 British, and how much ambition! Our sanctions have further undermined the economy. And still, to see a country where the Nazis are glorified in some kind of contact with us is disgusting.
  69. +1
    17 October 2015 14: 16
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Ledorub
    There is no longer any national identity. Europe does not need it

    Well, the most important nat. identity is language. how about this in the baltic? Have they already switched to English?
    Quote: Ledorub
    Who needs the Baltic languages ​​now?

    Baltic states, for self-identification
    Quote: Ledorub
    They are forced to ban the Russian language only because it will quickly supplant its national language.

    Do you think that the Balts would switch to Russian?

    What language are YOU writing now?
    According to statistics, now 40 percent of the population of L, L, E work and, accordingly, live abroad. What language do they speak there?
    The Baltic languages, alas, are dying out. They will be replaced by more stable languages ​​of their neighbors - Polish, Russian, Swedish/Finnish. Not tomorrow, but... Everything depends on the aspirations of the Balts themselves, and they are somehow poorly understood.
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  71. +2
    17 October 2015 14: 53
    Once upon a time I heard a saying; How are you? Like a Latvian. And like a Latvian? And the soul. Before the revolution, the Baltic states were a poor outskirts. Maybe that’s why they don’t like us, despite how the Union raised them. They want to be poor again, but, as it seems to them, civilized and part of Europe.
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  74. +2
    17 October 2015 15: 19
    Personally, I don’t want to go through the path of helping traitors! Why, the Americans are “exploiting” them.
  75. +2
    17 October 2015 15: 22
    Nobody needs a headache. Russophobes must be killed as terrorists.
  76. +2
    17 October 2015 16: 09
    In the latest news, Latvia is going to build a 90 km long fence on the border with Russia to prevent illegal immigrants from entering.
    But this is correct! Only they, as always, slowed down, slept through the flow of refugees and ended up mixing up the vector of immigration this time. Now it will be much easier for our border guards to drive Afro-Latvians away from the state border!
  77. +1
    17 October 2015 18: 26
    It’s in vain that Europe accustoms such eternal freeloaders (dill, Balts, etc.) to crazy loans!!! After all, if an economic crisis happens, what will they do? Apparently, very quickly heroes appeared who “fought very hard” against the regimes and they really wanted to be friends with Russia. Time will put everything in its place, Russia was, is and will be!!!
  78. 0
    17 October 2015 19: 38
    The article, to put it mildly, is controversial, and to put it bluntly, nonsense. Even if they die
    out of hunger, they are unlikely to rush into our arms. Everything is governed by a thin layer,
    the so-called elite, including propaganda. Well, for example, let's take the Bulgarians
    - according to our press, they have a complete butt and no prospects, so their desire in the TS is not noticeable, on the contrary, the desire to spoil us as much as possible. The bug is small and stinky, as Sholokhov said through the mouth of his hero. So, besides Mr. and
    hatred from the Balts, we are unlikely to expect anything.
  79. +3
    17 October 2015 19: 40
    The best they deserve is handouts, a strict collar and a short leash, but not complete integration. Buffer zone and table crumbs. Stop throwing beads!
  80. +1
    17 October 2015 19: 44
    Quote: atalef
    many will say We fed them, I’ll laugh

    he who laughs last laughs best, yes, I agree that the goods were better quality, and so on and so forth, but who financed all this, who restored what was destroyed after the war in the first place, when other regions were in poverty? but everything there was destroyed, well, the farmsteads were not so badly damaged, but the cities were ground into rubble. There were comparative statistics somewhere about who and how much they earned and spent per capita, so I remember the Baltic states spent more than they produced, and the donor was the Russian Federation, I could be mistaken, but it seems that they were talking about the fact that every Russian received about 6 thousand dollars less per year which went to the Baltic states and other republics. We’re not talking about salary here, it’s about social services and other expenses, but you say you’ll laugh, if only sarcastically, they say what fools these Russians are, they enslaved and maintained, they groomed and didn’t let you work hard. All advanced technologies were introduced when, in the outback of the Russian Federation, milkmaids carried water in buckets and milked 25 cows with their hands. I gave you a minus for this laugh.
  81. +4
    17 October 2015 19: 48
    Of course, the Baltic states will return to our country,
    Will not come back. And we don’t need it either.
  82. +2
    17 October 2015 19: 55
    I categorically disagree with the author. I was born and raised in the Latvian SSR. Therefore, I know the opinion of the population about the “voluntary accession” to the USSR in 1940. And I completely disagree that they will have to be restored, Fuck them...! !!In Euro-ass, so in Euro-ass
  83. -1
    17 October 2015 19: 59
    Quote: A1L9E4K9S
    The oppression of the Russian-speaking population, the deployment of NATO military bases and, in fact, blood betrayal - this can not be forgiven.

    From time immemorial, the Baltic nations have been hostile to Russia, in their place they should be grateful to the Russian people for bringing them not washed Chukhons to people, well, that we have constantly biting their lactating hand for our neighbors, TV .... not grateful, we do not take revenge, but we remember.


    As for "from time immemorial" it's too much. In the Russian Empire, the Baltic provinces (not republics!!!) were economically advanced and actively developed thanks to international trade and ports that served the vast Russian hinterland.
    Even 200 years ago, the inhabitants of the Baltic states, even linguistically, were very close to the Russians. We find confirmation of this in the book Land Description of Europe, Asia, Africa, America and South India, Part I (work by A.H. Gaspari, professor at the Imperial University of Dorpat, published in 1810 in St. Petersburg, the original is in my personal use) .
    In the Europe section on page 9 we literally read the following: People (Europe): their number ranges from 150 to 170 million. They speak nine main languages, namely:... 5) Slavic, Russians, Poles, and in Germany Bohemians, Moravians, Wends and some Hungarian and Turkish peoples speak it in very different dialects, to which it also belongs Latvian, Livonian Latvians, Courlanders and Lithuanians;",
    1. +2
      17 October 2015 22: 58
      As for "from time immemorial" it's too much. In the Russian Empire, the Baltic provinces (not republics!!!) were economically advanced and actively developed thanks to international trade and ports that served the vast Russian hinterland.
      Yes it is true, but not the complete truth!
      All the ports were managed and built by the Russians, and earlier by the Swedes and Germans. It was forbidden to leave Latvians overnight even in Riga in those days!
  84. +3
    17 October 2015 20: 01
    Russia is the only empire in the world that developed the outskirts at the expense of the center. As a result of such a policy, the information structure of Central Russia did not develop. An example is that after the collapse of the USSR, 90% of the fishing fleet remained abroad. And there are plenty of such examples. The collapse of the USSR benefited Russia. Never in its history has Russia lived so satisfyingly and well. It’s better without freeloaders, however)))
    1. 0
      17 October 2015 22: 03
      This way you can separate out some other “freeloaders”. The Caucasus, for example, or Primorye. Aren't you too bold in throwing away government lands?
  85. +3
    17 October 2015 20: 01
    There is no doubt that they will take it back and rebuild everything, it is prestigious, it gives weight in the eyes of the world community.
    It doesn’t depend on me at all - but I wouldn’t take it back, under any circumstances, unless you take away the territory by force, and even then there’s little point in that.
    I would try to improve what we have, and this is not enough, we have enough of our own land, and the people are quite educated and worthy. Invest in your people, give them a reason to be proud of their state and they will move mountains. The monuments will be erected to the leaders during their lifetime. But can we really expect such a course of events? Most likely, as always, we will throw money at our neighbor’s traitors and win with soft power.
  86. +2
    17 October 2015 20: 44
    "Stop feeding the Baltics and Ukraine." - This slogan needs to be made popular immediately, in advance.
  87. -1
    18 October 2015 00: 03
    health
    that there would be no unnecessary accusations. Russian himself from Latvia. always hated their Latvian hatred of me. BUT FORGIVEN SO MUCH RUSSIAN STUPIDITY THERE WAS IN THE USSR !!!!
    for starters, they created NOT a WIND of the USSR; there they created a buffer between the west and the USSR. THIS, as they say in OdEss, two big differences.
    VEF was built by one of the first telephone calls in Europe, at a time when the lumpen did not kill business people, again thieves and business people are two differences. who does not remember mopeds with the name "Riga", too, excuse me, has nothing to do with Russians.
    the author somehow very interestingly talks about the Riga BUS factory, and so the factory was CAR. and was located 40 ka kilometers from Riga. so somehow the author is not neatly propagandizing the inability of Latvians !!! I know Russians in Latvia who are not able to raise a business with Chinese money !!! can you imagine? Russian-Belarusian-Jews CANNOT.
    I suggest that the commentators think, and why do Russia need these territories? if you need a buffer, then of course you can export most of the population to Russia. to liberate the territory and not repeat the stupidity of the Russians who built factories on the borders of their plants that could be at the enemy in a minute. factories must be built on their own territory. in the conquered territory it is necessary to maintain life, and create conditions for people to travel from there to themselves.
    Agriculture . my mother-in-law shared with me the details of her life .... Believe me, among those FORMER Latvians who were NOT CLEARED by the Soviet regime there were quite a few smart people. lived hard. but they themselves worked. cleaned them ....
    from my comment it is clear that among Russian fools no less than among Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians.
    P.S. I implore you RUSSIAN PEOPLE DO NOT DESTROY OTHERS !!!!! you want to kneel down. I am Russian from Latvia will kneel before you Russian? Damn ...... propagandists fucking .....
    1. 0
      18 October 2015 08: 06
      There are no Russians in Latvia. Your nationality is non-citizen.
  88. +2
    18 October 2015 01: 05
    Do we need them to come back? No need! In the communal apartment we will start working for them again, especially at first. This is the essence of our broad soul. When, without pressure from Russia, they rewrite all the textbooks, rename the streets and all the names will be the main line in Russian - then please. But the percentage of those willing should be no less than in the referendum in Crimea.
  89. +5
    18 October 2015 01: 10
    Quote: atalef
    So where did this abundance come from, in comparison with the same Leningrad, and about the Pskov and Novgorod regions, I generally keep quiet

    honestly, after things like this... I can’t remain silent.
    In the 80s he served in the Civil Defense Headquarters of Leningrad and the Leningrad Region. Who knows - supply standards were calculated based on population size. For approximately 100 thousand people - 100 special suits, 10 such devices, 20 others, and so on.
    Based on the population of our Leningrad and region - approximately 9 million people and the nearby Estonian SSR with a population of about 2 million. We should have received 5 times more supplies.
    It’s good when you don’t know - you sleep better. So for a long time we did not know what was really happening. Although I had thoughts before that something was wrong here. There were suspicions that supplies to neighbors were being carried out according to different rules.
    Suspicions were confirmed when our region was appointed leading in the north-west of the country.
    At the end of the year I receive orders for property from the headquarters of the USSR and am very surprised - we and the nearby Baltic republic receive the SAME supply. And for some items they receive even more supplies.
    How so? After all, we should have much more. Is our population worse?
    In short, I got angry.
    And once, during a telephone conversation with Moscow, when the security of the formations of the neighboring Baltic states was given to me as an example, I could not stand such injustice and said that you, they say, are pushing these Baltic states with all the best, new and in unlimited quantities, and then blaming us for poor security. In response, I heard that I was interfering in the national politics of the party and government and a lot of other unpleasant epithets.
    What happened next... is difficult to put into words. If it were 37, they would probably have been shot.
    This is where the abundance in the Baltics comes from.
    At the expense of the rest of the Russian people.
    So really - it’s better to do “I’m completely silent.”
  90. +3
    18 October 2015 01: 12
    The author, apparently, suffers from the complexes of a true Great Russian - to create a new Empire. Perhaps this is not so bad, but do we need them Baltic states in one state? Don’t we have our own problems to feed and save (once again?!) these parasites? Do we need it? De facto, the Baltics are degenerating: those who are smarter or faster are fleeing to Geyropa, the economy is collapsing, and no one is going to save them. H.r.e.novo however! To be honest, I personally don’t feel sorry for the Balts - they deserved what they strived for and have not yet been given it to them in full. But I sincerely feel sorry for the Russian people - no one asked them about joining the EU or NATO.
  91. CEO
    0
    18 October 2015 01: 43
    The author has some kind of paranoia. Not serious
  92. brentga3
    -1
    18 October 2015 01: 47
    Test, just a test
  93. -1
    18 October 2015 04: 15
    Test, just a test
  94. +1
    18 October 2015 04: 53
    “It is unknown how many years will pass before the inhabitants of these small and proud countries come to their senses, stop dancing to Uncle Sam’s orders and follow common sense.” Don't put everyone under the same brush. Power was bought there, just like in Ukraine. The authorities make politics. Well, why is there someone else’s power there? We ourselves gave this power to them when we betrayed the USSR. Ordinary people understand everything there, but they can’t do anything like us.
  95. +2
    18 October 2015 05: 34
    Yes, as for me, some republics of the Union still have to denazify.
    Because as soon as they enter the orbit of our interests,
    there the processes of struggle for exit will immediately begin.
    So the best thing is to establish a contractual relationship,
    built on clear contracts and conditions.
    And it’s not worth helping for nothing - they won’t appreciate it.
    1. 0
      18 October 2015 13: 14
      Quote: Zomanus
      And it’s not worth helping for nothing - they won’t appreciate it.

      Or maybe it won’t help at all; our help works against us. The consciousness of people, especially the Baltic states, is changing slowly, if at all... for the better. Something very strong, shocking, must happen, like a couple of circles of hell, for them to change. The Balts, apparently, never did anything to their full potential; they preferred to give up. Do we need such partners?
  96. +4
    18 October 2015 08: 02
    Starting from the very first paragraph - complete nonsense, well, dreaminess if you want.
    And the point is not even whether the author asked the opinion of the Balts, I am deeply indifferent to this, but the fact that the author is absolutely not interested in the opinion of Russian citizens.
    So, the opinion of me, as a representative of the Russian Federation, is that I do not want to see these “brothers” from the Baltic states in any form in Russia’s zone of influence. So that THESE striving for Gay European values ​​do not come near my country within a cannon shot!
    For them I am an occupier, I may have a “guilt complex” towards them, although of course where would it come from?
    And in order not to complicate their life together with the “occupier”, I do not want to have anything to do with these... ANYTHING!
    Therefore, before writing such heresy as the inevitability of their return to us, ask for the opinion of our citizens.
    Do you think he wanted it and left, pouring tanks of slop on our heads, but he wanted it and came back? A garden plant for you, dear Balts, not Russia, you haven’t even begun to “responsible” for your “bazaar”.
  97. +1
    18 October 2015 08: 54
    The author builds speculative constructions that are far from reality.
  98. +2
    18 October 2015 10: 17
    I would like to sober up the majority, in order to ensure the return of the republics, a powerful economy and banking system are needed. In fact, this is not the case, wait at least 15 years, or when the global economy collapses, some part will float to Russia. Elimination of economic inequality, coming to the option of at least the Scandinavians. Recreation of social elevators as a result, the withering away of the so-called elite. I’m afraid that this will take at least a couple of decades. There are so many internal problems that raising the laggards is simply stupid.
  99. +1
    18 October 2015 11: 49
    The Baltics will return. Not soon, but he will return. WITHOUT Balts...
  100. +1
    18 October 2015 12: 13
    Bullshit! The Balts will return...!! Who needs them, these fascists? The author is crazy.

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