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Baltic: hard way back

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Expanding the borders of Russia and forming new alliances with neighboring countries is a matter of time. And there are hardly doubts that the territory of Eastern Europe will sooner or later return under Russian influence. The Baltic countries stand apart here, after secession from the USSR they beat all records of anti-Russian rhetoric. What will become of them? In what form will they enter a new state and will they enter?


Baltic: hard way back


Opponents of common sense

Having entered the European Union, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia made a gross geopolitical mistake. It’s not even that, say, the industry in the region was destroyed a little more than completely, or agriculture, which was actively supplanted by Western European farmers. The problem is different.

Historically, around the core of Russia (Great Russia) a number of territories was formed, which depended on it and developed together, developed and fed at the expense of the Empire. Yes, economically, it is the outskirts that took much from the center (contrary to the Western model of civilization, where the colonies are now mercilessly picked).

Before the 20 century, the Baltic nations never had statehood as such. An exception can be considered ON, and even then this is more of a joint Slavic-Balt project, which, we note, lasted quite a long time and even created real competition to Moscow.

The region did not have sufficient independence and could not cope with it when the mighty Empire collapsed. Russophobic politics in the interwar period involved the Baltic countries in a severe crisis. Those with historical the memory is short, it is worth recalling: in the late thirties and early forties common people here met Soviet soldiers as liberators. And no wonder: they suffered self-sufficiency, enough of it. Alas, apparently, they have not yet received enough to get rid of Russophobia.

So, now an obvious, but very important thought will follow: the Baltic states never, I stress, have never been able and can not build a strong economic model without the help of the Russians. This is impossible for a variety of reasons, and even the powerful help of the West and feeding credits will not be enough for this. 25’s hard years of living for Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians in independent states have not taught them that they shouldn’t spit in the only well in the area.

Baltic as a component of the Russian space

It is not known how many years must pass before the inhabitants of these small and proud countries come to their senses, stop dancing under the orders of Uncle Sam and follow common sense. But sooner or later they will change their mind. The epiphany will come. But it will be too late.

Readers, who are more than 35-40 years old, should remember how much money and effort was spent on keeping the Baltic republics in the USSR. They were a showcase of our mighty state, here was the highest per capita income, the greatest number of subsidies and all sorts of privileges. The Balts never lived so nourishingly and calmly as in the Union of 60-80.

However, over the years of independence, mediocre politicians have managed to sell off, destroy, destroy the most powerful potential that lay in the Baltic factories, factories and peasant farms. All this could be modernized and used with even greater profit - they did not even try to do so. Sorry, there were the works of millions of Soviet people who, with blood and then, erected the Ignalina NPP, the Riga Bus Plant and the famous shale hydroelectric power stations in Estonia. And just so you can not leave it.

In the foreseeable future, the Baltic states will become impoverished, half-dimmed and will be a pitiful sight. And I think everyone already knows to whom the countries of Eastern Europe always go for help when serious problems begin. Everyone got used to freebies, got used to the fact that Russians are doing the most difficult work.

Today’s Russia looks weaker than both the Russian Empire and the USSR. We cannot afford to recreate the economic structure of the Baltic States (for the umpteenth time!), Even if the region suddenly gets rid of Russophobic sentiment. Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians have betrayed us more than once, but their secession from the Soviet Union provoked a parade of separatism, launched irreversible processes of collapse, which is still very costly for all of us.

A lot of analysts expressed in the spirit that Ukraine, as a state that has adopted anti-Russian rhetoric and deliberately destroyed civilians, should not be restored. If the natives are so eager to destroy the factories left over from a great country - let them demolish, it’s worse for them. Equally it concerns the Balts.

The oppression of the Russian-speaking population, the deployment of NATO military bases and, in fact, blood betrayal - this can not be forgiven.

Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country, in whatever form it was updated and whatever colors our flag would be decorated with. But to work for them, to help them after all that was ... They will, frankly, not deserve it. And it is unlikely to deserve.
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  1. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 17 October 2015 06: 21 New
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    But here is to work for them, to help them after all that was ... They, frankly, did not deserve this. And hardly deserve it.

    Do we need them after all that was?
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 17 October 2015 06: 39 New
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      We don’t need them, but there are a lot of Russian people there, well, it’s natural for the Baltic states to build nothing, let the fascist helmets take off and go work.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 17 October 2015 07: 44 New
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        That's right. I will say more. When the Baltic republics had already separated from the USSR, they continued, without a twinge of conscience, to take advantage of the advantageous production position that was inherited by the Baltic states as a result of unequal investment of allied funds in the development of the USSR regions, for example, in light industry, in comparison with other republics of the USSR. Already at that time, the arrogance and Russophobia of the Baltic states at the level of the common people were striking. It was considered normal for them to continue, pushing up prices several times for their goods, to continue to use their existing post-Soviet advantages in the Russian market for the sale of their post-Soviet products and while belittling and spitting in your Soviet past. They foolishly considered themselves self-sufficient.

        At that time, I was talking with one such Russophobic entrepreneur from Latvia about her impudent, shameless statement that “Russians are b ... (cattle)”, said to her: “What are you, so“ civilized ”, such“ self-sufficient ", came to the" Russian cattle "to sell their post-Soviet goods, and did not move with him to Europe? You do not need Europe with your goods! Everything that the Soviet country has invested in you will be squandered and lived with you over time! Since it was created with the HELP of other nations with which you now disdain. As you were poor without Russia, then you will remain! ”The lady was aged and agreed with me, she said: "Yes! But somehow we did not think about that! Nobody here takes this into account. ”
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          1. bulvas
            bulvas 17 October 2015 09: 03 New
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            Quote: PlotnikoffDD
            Do we need them after all that was?



            They themselves may not be needed, but the coast, the territory without NATO bases, a free corridor to the Kaliningrad region - all this will be needed by strong Russia.

            In addition, they will be loyal - let them raise cows, produce cheeses and cottage cheese to fish, for God's sake.

            The increase in the domestic market contributes to the development of the economy.

            The logic of large and small states dictates the adhesion of small states to

            big, so it’s better to be loyal to us than to our enemies

            Would they be smarter - would remain neutral, at least, as Finland would receive from all sides

            1. severniy
              severniy 17 October 2015 09: 37 New
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              No, I think they won’t return, and we are not their brothers, and we don’t need them, although we can almost become neighbors and will become when the thread ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 17 October 2015 10: 29 New
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                So, now an obvious, but very important thought will follow: the Baltic states never, I stress, have never been able and can not build a strong economic model without the help of the Russians. This is impossible for a variety of reasons, and even the powerful help of the West and feeding credits will not be enough for this. 25’s hard years of living for Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians in independent states have not taught them that they shouldn’t spit in the only well in the area.
                .

                actually why? I always oppose such statements
                Who of course remembers, the Baltic countries have always lived at a higher level than the other republics of the USSR, many will say We fed them, laugh
                Tk regularly visiting Riga and especially Kaunas (during the years of the USSR) - saw mainly locally produced goods, which were not only in abundance, but also of higher quality, local Russian
                The villages and cities of the Baltic states were more well-groomed and clean, people worked .. well, let's say no worse than in the RSFSR.
                Why, suddenly they can’t build?
                The Finns could. Poles - could (both countries were part of the Russian Empire).
                The author, issuing his conclusions, does not at all mention one and the most (in my opinion) important indicator.
                The outflow of the population and its direction.
                Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia. Well, there isn’t this (they run to the West, work, etc .., although what does it mean to run - the EU is generally one country), but what would the Baltic countries return to the USSR (take-2) - well, you have to be still adequate.
                1. olegfbi
                  olegfbi 17 October 2015 11: 05 New
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                  I do not agree with you!
                  You just went there, albeit often! But you didn’t live there!
                  For the sake of understanding, I myself was born in Latvia, in the family of an Officer. And to this day in Latvia I have many friends and relatives, many of them are Latvians!
                  So, in the days of the USSR, the vast majority of working professions (positions) were replaced by Russian-speaking residents! Latvians, most often held leadership positions, for them were special. quotas for admission to universities, in fact, without a competition!
                  All industrial and infrastructure facilities were built by workers from all over the USSR!
                  As for local products, there really were a lot of them, VERY many! But this is not the result of the "great managerial talent" of the Latvians, but a direct result of increased funding from Moscow (read the entire USSR) and the enormous labor of workers from the Fraternal Republics!
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 17 October 2015 11: 15 New
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                    Quote: olegfbi
                    I do not agree with you!

                    Which part?
                    Quote: olegfbi
                    All industrial and infrastructure facilities were built by workers from all over the USSR!

                    So what now?
                    Quote: olegfbi
                    As for local products, there really were a lot of them, VERY many! But this is not the result of the "great managerial talent" of the Latvians, but a direct result of increased funding from Moscow (read the entire USSR) and the enormous labor of workers from the Fraternal Republics!

                    I don’t imagine how much the shepherds in Latvia would be grazed by the sent shepherds, the milkmaids were brought on a rotational basis from the non-black soil, and all the products were produced in Russia, but they secretly interrupted the stickers and sold them in the Baltic republics as local.
                    Correct me . hi
                    1. olegfbi
                      olegfbi 17 October 2015 11: 20 New
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                      I did not say that the stickers were "interrupted"! Read carefully!
                      As for the labor of workers from the fraternal republics, indeed a lot of people were relocated to Latvia after the Second World War and a lot of people were sent to construction sites, production facilities, etc.!
                      But Latvians really know how to graze cows! No irony.
                      Understanding, I’ll add: The Latvian language generally does not contain at all the terms and definitions necessary for serious mathematical, physical and other scientific works / studies! Hence a simple conclusion, using the Latvian language it is impossible to design serious construction / production facilities, it is impossible to calculate economic models, etc., respectively, it is impossible to conduct independent full economic and government activities.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 17 October 2015 12: 08 New
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                        Quote: olegfbi
                        I did not say that the stickers were "interrupted"! Read carefully!

                        So where did this abundance come from, in comparison with the same Leningrad, and about the Pskov and Novgorod regions, I generally keep quiet

                        Quote: olegfbi
                        As for the labor of workers from the fraternal republics, there are really a lot of people who were relocated to Latvia after the Second World War and a lot of people were sent to construction sites, factories, etc.

                        Well, so they created all this abundance in the Baltic states?
                        Quote: olegfbi
                        The Latvian language generally \ does not at all contain the terms and definitions necessary for serious mathematical, physical and other scientific works \ research!

                        Good . there is English for this.
                        If you look at the scientific terms in Russian, then you will also find that a huge number of words are borrowed
                        Quote: olegfbi
                        using the Latvian language it is impossible to design serious construction / production facilities, it is impossible to calculate economic models, etc., respectively, it is impossible to conduct independent full-fledged economic and state activities.

                        Well, they say it. who does not want to learn the language.
                        It’s interesting how the Finns live either the Norwegians or the Swedes (nothing that they have a language similar to Latvian?) - the same kind of language does not mean either one, but the villains live, and not bad.
                      2. olegfbi
                        olegfbi 17 October 2015 12: 34 New
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                        I think it is absolutely hopeless to discuss this topic with you. In my personal opinion, you have nothing to do on this site! Better go somewhere to the Natsik Latvians, there you will be understood and "kindly".
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 17 October 2015 13: 33 New
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                        Quote: olegfbi
                        In my personal opinion, you have nothing to do on this site!

                        3 years ago, an emergency function appeared on this site. bring me and you will be peace and quiet hi
                      4. dmitriygorshkov
                        dmitriygorshkov 18 October 2015 10: 44 New
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                        And actually, why? Are you paid bonuses for this?
                        Thank God that a large number of Jews live among us, who are quite worthy people, and after all, having talked with you, you can become an anti-Semite, too, chur me!
                      5. Sasha_Sar
                        Sasha_Sar 19 October 2015 09: 37 New
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                        After reading your conclusions, I would like to ask, have you ever been to the Baltic States before 1991? If you want to find out the truth, read on, and if not, you can not enter into polemics. My wife has a grandmother from Latvia (father is Latvian, mother is Polish), and so she told me that they were "on the drum" who would lead them. Stalin's main mistake was the creation of collective farms, Latvians are not collective workers, like Estonians, read history, cities in Latvia and Estonia were built by German knights to govern the local population, and local tribes sat in their farms and worked for themselves and paid rent. This was until Tsar Peter drove out the Germans and took their place. In 1940, units of the Red Army entered the Baltic States did not meet with any protest, the local population would not have noticed our arrival there, if not for collectivization and repression, but this was unfortunately throughout the USSR. But after the war, they began to pour funds there, to build factories and farms. You can get and serve a "cow" in different ways. It is one thing to milk milk, and another thing to process it. Now about the Russian-speaking population. To be honest, this population does not cause me much compassion. In 91, a referendum on secession from the USSR was held in the Baltics and the majority voted for secession, and given that more than 40% of the population was Russian-speaking, it can be assumed that they also voted for secession. We wanted to live like in Europe. Only at the exit did they receive the status of "non-citizen". Since joining the EU, the Baltics are living on handouts from Brussels and Transit of energy resources from Russia. Port Ventspils (built during the USSR). Lithuanians go to work in Kaliningrad (Dzhamshuts cannot go there). Anti-Russian rhetoric will be there for a long time and it will be there until Russia becomes an Empire again ...
                      6. ingener1966
                        ingener1966 19 October 2015 14: 49 New
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                        They told you, but I myself from there (left Estonia in the 92nd) was born there, etc. etc. He built energy in Estonia and traveled almost all of it, there is nowhere to go there. Regarding the referendum in the Baltic states, your relatives from Poland and Latvia, as it were, to put it mildly, lied. 95% voted against secession from the USSR. But who and when (except Crimea) listened to some non-democratic referendums there. Regarding life in the Baltic states. Take and read the statistics in the USSR, at least such an indicator as the number of dollars (namely dollars, i.e. currencies) is spent per capita in the Baltic states and in the RSFSR. It turns out that the main foreign currency investments went to the Baltic states. And yes, in agriculture, collective farms were mainly fishing, but with the Germans, and with the rest, fishing in the sea was always a collective work. And in agriculture in the Baltic states there were mainly state farms, what is the difference, in everything, the state farm is a factory or factory, hired labor with agricultural specifics. hi
                  2. bondarencko
                    bondarencko 18 October 2015 20: 22 New
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                    And again - STUPID!
                2. Weyland
                  Weyland 18 October 2015 14: 18 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  Finns live either Norwegians or Swedes (nothing that their language is similar with Latvian?


                  God's chosen ones in their role - ibu hutspa and hubris are inextricably linked! it is surprising that the Russian language has not yet been forgotten, but knowledge in linguistics is simply staggering:
                  Finnish is actually similar to Estonian Swedish - with Norwegian (but in no way with Finnish), Latvian - only with Lithuanian; more "distant relatives" to Latvians are Slavsbut never the Scandinavians!
                3. MMX
                  MMX 18 October 2015 19: 19 New
                  +1
                  So where did this abundance come from, in comparison with the same Leningrad, and about the Pskov and Novgorod regions, I generally keep quiet


                  You are doing the right thing to keep quiet. Because what you wrote earlier in this topic just shows your "level of knowledge" in the issue of discussion.

                  Well, so they created all this abundance in the Baltic states?


                  Are all the Baltic states?

                  Good . there is English for this.
                  If you look at the scientific terms in Russian, then you will also find that a huge number of words are borrowed


                  Do Latvians speak English?

                  It’s interesting how the Finns live either the Norwegians or the Swedes (nothing that they have a language similar to Latvian?) - the same kind of language does not mean either one, but the villains live, and not bad.


                  That's just the Baltic countries are somehow lower and lower in terms of economic development. Going to success ...
                4. Shishiga
                  Shishiga 18 October 2015 23: 23 New
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                  So where did this abundance come from, in comparison with the same Leningrad, and about the Pskov and Novgorod regions, I generally keep quiet


                  So we did not observe this abundance of Baltic goods. It was just that the production of these republics did not work for the entire USSR, but only for themselves. And the economy of everyone else went to maintain them.

                  And before you mind answer yourself:
                  1 what minerals do these republics possess
                  2 with what industrial potential they entered the USSR, and with which they left it
                  3 and why, during the 45 post-war years, the whole economy and industry was built under occupation, and for 25 years of independence, having the glory of a window of socialism and the best economic and industrial opportunities for further development, not a single enterprise was built, on the contrary, we see not just stagnation, but complete destruction of the economy.
              2. win
                win 18 October 2015 19: 22 New
                +5
                But Latvians really know how to graze cows!

                So it is necessary to develop abilities. Noble shepherds turn out!
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              4. bondarencko
                bondarencko 18 October 2015 20: 19 New
                -5
                You wrote - STUPID!
              5. BLACK-SHARK-64
                BLACK-SHARK-64 19 October 2015 12: 47 New
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                Let this "Aleph" shut up ... Has no idea about the mentality of the Balts .... am
            2. neri73-r
              neri73-r 17 October 2015 13: 45 New
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              So what now?


              atalef, and now there IS NOTHING except banking services and staff in cafes and restaurants, well, of course, janitors and chimney sweeps !!! There are no normal, powerful industries! hi Everyone is fleeing to other countries, especially young ones!
              1. matross
                matross 17 October 2015 14: 31 New
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                You guys argue without hearing each other. Everyone who lived in the Union knows that the Baltic states lived more satisfying than all. And no doubt satiety and gloss were achieved at the expense of the rest of the country at the behest of the party. It was a decorated showcase of the USSR, just as Greece was a decorated showcase of a capitalist paradise. The Baltic states could, as Alexander correctly noted ( hi ), live without Russia by analogy with Poland and Finland. But they didn’t want to. We got used to the Soviet freebie and decided that Europe, in return for the Russian boobs, would give them its own, but thicker. And Europe doesn’t give anyone a hit in the mouth. Therefore, they have to suck not a tit, but what they gave - screaming at the command and serving with a smile.
                Will they return to the orbit of Russian influence? I think yes. The key to this is their important geographical location for Russia. As soon as the European Union seriously bans, which few people doubt. Crimea, for example, also has an important geographical position, and as soon as Ukraine crackled ...
              2. Shurik70
                Shurik70 17 October 2015 20: 37 New
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                Quote: matRoss

                Will they return to the orbit of Russian influence? I think so. Crimea, for example, also has an important geographical position, and as soon as Ukraine crackled ...


                What for do we need them?
                There are good people there, yes. Take people, let them come to us.
                But the fascists dofiga there. So let yourself continue to fascist at home, abroad.
                And do not confuse with Crimea. He was always ours and returned home.
              3. bondarencko
                bondarencko 18 October 2015 20: 30 New
                +1
                According to the EU, during the period of "independence" Lithuania has lost 27% of its population, Latvia - 26%. Ours are there now MORE. It is a pity that he is not in power.
            3. bondarencko
              bondarencko 18 October 2015 20: 25 New
              +1
              Except boobs, everything is right!
            4. frolenkow
              frolenkow 19 October 2015 09: 38 New
              -1
              Respect to you! Everyone starts competently and smartly, and then descends to stupidity and rudeness.
        2. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 17 October 2015 14: 34 New
          +7
          Correct. Take a look at the numbers: the population of these republics for 1991, and today. Here is the answer.
          By the way, you’re far away from Burenki, but working today is still easy there, no one else.
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 17 October 2015 18: 09 New
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          Quote: atalef
          I don’t imagine how much the shepherds in Latvia would be grazed by the sent shepherds, the milkmaids were brought on a rotational basis from the non-black soil, and all the products were produced in Russia, but they secretly interrupted the stickers and sold them in the Baltic republics as local.

          Fantastic nonsense - under the USSR, the Baltic states knew how to work better than everyone, but having gained independence, they could not create a competitive economy in 25 years !!!
          Bravo!

          The point is a very specific policy of patronomenclature in relation to national and autonomous republics. In order to be aware, the USSR has made a showcase of the country from the Baltic states by means of an infusion of considerable funds.
          He spent the entire service on business trips and was discouraged by how republican and autonomous capitals might look compared to the same cities in the middle part of the RSFSR. So that small nations did not feel deprived of the republic, they received subsidies from the state budget for which capitals and additional industries were built. In Central Asia, cities looked even more depressing. If you made a showcase of the USSR from the Baltic states and beauty and justice prevailed there, the Central Asian republics were agricultural capitals and cotton harvesting and often the absence of elementary roads dominated there.
          The Balts lived due to the lack of Kazakh roads, the budget of Russian cities, the industry of the entire Urals, Vladivostok fishermen and there was no need to flood about drummers who once again became prevented from becoming happy
          1. Are
            Are 18 October 2015 09: 53 New
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            I can testify .. drinks
        4. Mercenary
          Mercenary 17 October 2015 22: 20 New
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          Dear Israeli Nobody drove the boryonok, but the Baltic states didn’t give the food to Moscow either, I myself came from the Don, so Rostov DAILY drove three wagons of the freshest fresh meat, but he was not on the shelves of Rostov. In Latvia there has never been a queue for groceries, full abundance, and in summer food quotas increased for tourists.
          So, don’t be nonsense, because straight tears are welling up from tenderness from the labor feat of the Baltic states am
          1. fomich1977
            fomich1977 18 October 2015 09: 21 New
            +1
            Yes - in Soviet times, went shopping in Narva, as you get into another world. An abundance of goods, compared with Len.obl.
          2. ingener1966
            ingener1966 19 October 2015 14: 58 New
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            So this is whose cars they didn’t give me every weekend in the city laughing
        5. bondarencko
          bondarencko 18 October 2015 20: 34 New
          +1
          To Moscow, maybe not, but to St. Petersburg - EXACTLY!
      2. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 19 October 2015 18: 46 New
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        Quote: atalef
        I don’t imagine how much the shepherds in Latvia would be grazed by the sent shepherds, the milkmaids were brought on a rotational basis from the non-black soil, and all the products were produced in Russia, but they secretly interrupted the stickers and sold them in the Baltic republics as local.
        Correct me . hi

        Economic and industrial development rests only on burenki? All industry and infrastructure was built by the USSR, just as the USSR did not, so everything that the USSR built, the Baltic Burenka licked its tongue. Yes, I was seen trailing and threw the hooves behind.
        Quote: atalef
        Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia.

        Full of such in Siberia, I think in other regions no less.
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 17 October 2015 19: 20 New
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      And now they declare (people with higher education) that they did not need "our" factories at all, and it was the Russians who solved the problems of their drunks: the Leningrad peasants drank themselves to death and for them in the Baltic States they built hated and unnecessary factories - so that where to send them. And the intelligent (all to the last) Balts only suffered from this. But now, having joined the European Union, they are just happy. I have no words.
    3. sanyavolhv
      sanyavolhv 18 October 2015 00: 08 New
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      health
      that there would be no unnecessary accusations. Russian himself from Latvia. always hated their Latvian hatred of me. BUT FORGIVEN SO MUCH RUSSIAN STUPIDITY THERE WAS IN THE USSR !!!!
      for starters, they created NOT a WIND of the USSR; there they created a buffer between the west and the USSR. THIS, as they say in OdEss, two big differences.
      VEF was built by one of the first telephone calls in Europe, at a time when the lumpen did not kill business people, again thieves and business people are two differences. who does not remember mopeds with the name "Riga", too, excuse me, has nothing to do with Russians.
      the author somehow very interestingly talks about the Riga BUS factory, and so the factory was CAR. and was located 40 ka kilometers from Riga. so somehow the author is not neatly propagandizing the inability of Latvians !!! I know Russians in Latvia who are not able to raise a business with Chinese money !!! can you imagine? Russian-Belarusian-Jews CANNOT.
      I suggest that the commentators think, and why do Russia need these territories? if you need a buffer, then of course you can export most of the population to Russia. to liberate the territory and not repeat the stupidity of the Russians who built factories on the borders of their plants that could be at the enemy in a minute. factories must be built on their own territory. in the conquered territory it is necessary to maintain life, and create conditions for people to travel from there to themselves.
      Agriculture . my mother-in-law shared with me the details of her life .... Believe me, among those FORMER Latvians who were NOT CLEARED by the Soviet regime there were quite a few smart people. lived hard. but they themselves worked. cleaned them ....
      from my comment it is clear that among Russian fools no less than among Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians.
      P.S. I implore you RUSSIAN PEOPLE DO NOT DESTROY OTHERS !!!!! you want to kneel down. I am Russian from Latvia will kneel before you Russian? Damn ...... propagandists fucking .....
      1. 97110
        97110 18 October 2015 19: 32 New
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        Dear, you could not help but be inspired so much. This is reflected in the presentation of your thoughts. We have to read them. Well, read your stream of consciousness. Do you mind readers?
      2. bondarencko
        bondarencko 18 October 2015 20: 40 New
        -1
        Put a plus, but with suggestions, contact Peter the Great.
      3. frolenkow
        frolenkow 19 October 2015 09: 55 New
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        What a class! Well done!
      4. Mercenary
        Mercenary 19 October 2015 16: 42 New
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        I object; The RAFs in Riga only collected, the engine, the chassis of almost all of the Gorky Automobile Plant. (genius) of the Latvian shooters is not justified laughing
      5. tracer
        tracer 20 October 2015 08: 43 New
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        Then the man got so excited that it’s not that he wouldn’t start getting on his knees, as obscene for the site. What kind of reaction is this? I worked there clearly watching. But I remember how we worked out the actions during the air raid in the city. But here they have ... like BE ........... is a completely different matter.
    4. bondarencko
      bondarencko 18 October 2015 20: 12 New
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      I think you have to be objective and dot the points. You were born and lived for a while. But write nonsense !!! I have lived in Riga for 53 years. He worked in serious positions and I can responsibly declare that in the Union NOBODY fed ANYONE. The Union economy was made by the LITERATE people. Each republic did what was best for it. Somehow at the end of 1972, while on a business trip in the Ludza region (closest to the RSFSR), I went to S.V. Yashkul, the first secretary of the RK CP of Latvia. I found him in an extremely dejected state. I was thinking about the question of transferring my region to the RSFSR. Cause? The yield in the region at the end of the year was 21,3 quintals per hectare and it is the last in the republic, and in the neighboring Sebezhsky district of the RSFSR - 16,5 quintals per hectare and it is the first in the Pskov region. And this is under exactly the same conditions. There were no quotas in the institutes. It's just that, as in other republics of the Union, national cadres were trained for nat. languages, by the way, anyone who knew the language could enter any university. And the RUSSIANS were promoted to leading positions of the Natsiks, such was the national policy in the Union. Again, I had to work under the leadership of Latvians, Jews, Poles, Armenians. There was friction, but in the normal production process. But, as soon as the boss was Russian, the principle arose - I am the boss, YOU! AND WHAT HAS GOT IT MOST OF ALL - FOR EVERY BREAKTHROUGH, FOR PERMISSION WAS TO GO TO MOSCOW. So for permission to build houses above 9 floors, it was necessary to obtain permission from the USSR State Construction Committee! And here our current "partners" have tried. At the 1988 Olympics, Latvians - volleyball players and basketball players, with the characteristic "partners" either illiteracy or meanness, were called RUSSIAN. Here's where the scraps went through the back streets! So you don't have to talk about "democratic" mantras about feeding stuffs ,,,,,
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 19 October 2015 19: 01 New
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        Quote: bondarencko
        So you don't have to talk about "democratic" mantras about feeding stuffs ,,,,,

        They worked in the USSR in all republics, it was the centralized system that made it possible to do what was handy. It was in the system that all republics received what was missing, etc. The system collapsed and everything crumbled. The USSR did not feed the Baltic states for free, but developed power engineering, industry, etc. appeared in the USSR there. The USSR made it possible to produce products about which there are so many words here, well, they naturally produced themselves. hi
    5. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 19 October 2015 12: 45 New
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      Tochnyak .. My aunt lived in Tallinn ... And I know what and how ... TOCHNYAK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11 angry
    6. RSA
      RSA 19 October 2015 23: 39 New
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      Avtar navierna zabil :-) a Litovskam karalievstve 1253-1263 i iedinstvinam karaliom Mindaugas, patcti v tiex granicam kak i tieper LTU
    7. RSA
      RSA 19 October 2015 23: 39 New
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      Avtar navierna zabil :-) a Litovskam karalievstve 1253-1263 i iedinstvinam karaliom Mindaugas, patcti v tiex granicam kak i tieper LTU
  2. Xergey
    Xergey 17 October 2015 11: 39 New
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    Reading your comments, I’d like to say what are you doing here on the site, go where people with your worldview and perception of Russia as a country that is not suitable for you, which you always blaspheme, although almost all were born here and studied in Soviet schools life achieved.
    As for the fact that you have been to the Baltic states and saw locally produced goods, this is logical because they were produced there, but who built factories and who allocated money for all this production, who gave metal, technology, etc. didn’t you think about it?
    So do not belittle the contribution of the USSR to the development of the Baltic states and the standard of living that they had, they are 100% obliged only to the USSR, and now they are very dependent on Russia, if the GDP was not so pragmatic then the Baltic countries were no longer on the map of the world.
    1. olegfbi
      olegfbi 17 October 2015 11: 47 New
      +6
      1000
      You are absolutely right!
    2. atalef
      atalef 17 October 2015 12: 16 New
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      Quote: KSergey
      As for the fact that you have been to the Baltic states and saw locally produced goods, this is logical because they were produced there

      Well, thank God fellow
      Quote: KSergey
      but who built the factories and who allocated money for all this production, who gave metal, technology, etc. didn’t you think about it?

      What do you mean? The Baltic states were part of the USSR, right?
      Quote: KSergey
      So do not belittle the contribution of the USSR to the development of the Baltic states and the standard of living that they had

      But I’m not belittling, just talking about the USSR — I can say that the Baltic states had the highest standard of living and that it was not just about money, that hundreds of billions were invested in non-Chernozem lands — but what's the point?
      Quote: KSergey
      they are 100% obliged only to the USSR,

      They were part of the USSR. and their standard of living has always been higher and until 1939 the same

      Quote: KSergey
      and even now they are very dependent on Russia, if the GDP was not so pragmatic then the Baltic countries were no longer on the world map.

      They are no more dependent, Russia is dependent on them
      Russia does not give anything to the Baltic states and does not give preferences
      They buy, so talking about addiction is ridiculous. Their dependence on Russia is nothing more than your dependence on the nearest hypermarket.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 17 October 2015 14: 50 New
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        Well, they say it’s bought loudly, they occupy it, they give it here, yes. And this is the first dependence on European banks.
        Well, the second one is that from the supermarket, I think that if I start going to the supermarket and screaming that they are all aggressors and occupiers of the Security Council of this institution, they will kick me from there, and if I put a machine gun in my window aimed at this a supermarket (NATO forces in the Baltic states) - they will call the specialists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and they will roll me so that it’s not enough, it won’t seem.
        Is the train of thought clear? Here is such a dependency. I would say fate. One word is a buffer zone.
      2. UralMan
        UralMan 17 October 2015 18: 58 New
        +6
        Turning to atalef
        Oh, I'm afraid ... they will devour you dear with giblets ...
        Pile up thoughts ...
        There is no escape from historical realities, but you neglect them.
        I note ... che era poi stato.
        1. Senior manager
          Senior manager 17 October 2015 20: 17 New
          +3
          Atalef is trying to argue, it seems fair to me, but the amount of knowledge is not enough so farts periodically erupt.
    3. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 17 October 2015 14: 55 New
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      but who built the factories and who allocated money for all this production, who gave metal, technology, etc. didn’t you think about it?
      All is true and one more undeniable fact until 1940. The Baltic states are three agricultural countries on the outskirts of Europe where 90% of the population lived in kind. And in times
      USSR business card and face of the union. And now? jo again ... and the European Union,
      I see they like it well, so to hell with them, they arranged genocide for themselves, and what to worry about it hi
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  3. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 17 October 2015 14: 29 New
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    Well, let's say. Small but proud they slammed the door from the USSR, and where is it all? Where are these miracle products? Where is this standard of living? Where is at least energy independence? Well? Show me? Where are the car factories? Where is the radio electronics? At least show their famous perfumes ..?
    But in the USSR and Central Asia, she lived luxuriously, look at Tajikistan, what did the invaders take away the oaths too?
    And they returned to Russia, and many, and many want to return, only they are afraid to stay without housing, and so they go to gas stations in Russia for a booze with a smoke.
    Distracted, a little ... The question of goods and abundance, do not remove, where is it all ???
  4. serg 21
    serg 21 17 October 2015 15: 39 New
    -6
    Learn the materiel, i.e. fundamentals of economics.
    1. 97110
      97110 18 October 2015 19: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: serg 21
      Learn the materiel, i.e. fundamentals of economics.

      From under your flag hints that the basics of the economy are ukroamerikantam known? Justify economically at least one economic gesture of the power square. In, I wrote ... How is this word translated now? Like Puerto Rico, only unrecognized even by McCain? Give up your Maidan habits, here decent people mostly communicate. I wanted to be rude, write: "LEARN materiel." It's a good idea to add "please".
  5. demon1978
    demon1978 17 October 2015 15: 54 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    actually why? I always oppose somehow


    And what did they do for a quarter of a century, after the "occupation" !!! ??? what request Actively caught KGB / FSB swords, so much so that it’s not like working in enterprises built by the USSR (well, there, work is not a wolf ...) but there’s no time to even continue procreation ??? !!!! request

    but so that the Baltic countries would return back to the USSR (double -2) - well, you still have to be adequate.

    Counter question: But what for do we need this ??? !!! what Let them respect the rights of Russian speakers, do not place military bases, and the rest, as they want !!! yes
  6. user1212
    user1212 17 October 2015 16: 10 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Tk regularly visiting Riga and especially Kaunas (during the years of the USSR) - saw mainly locally produced goods, which were not only in abundance, but also of higher quality, local Russian

    But these industries were created by the USSR. The Balts have never heard of market prices for gas, oil, metals, etc. in the USSR. The USSR gave them a huge duty-free sales market. Now they have nothing of the kind. The Balts have been "independent" for 25 years. How is it going?
    Quote: atalef
    Why, suddenly they can’t build?

    Enlighten that in general the Balts built over the years of independence?
    Quote: atalef
    Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia

    Since people are fleeing not to the Russian Federation, but to the EU, is everything normal with the Baltic states? Well, let’s say people will run away to the EU, but what to do with the states? It remains to be settled by refugees from Syria laughing
    Quote: atalef
    EU is generally one country

    Especially the living standards of Germany and Estonia are very similar. Yeah. You would also drop a drop of adequacy
    1. Oper6300
      Oper6300 18 October 2015 23: 43 New
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      The first answer is substantive. Bravo!
  7. Awaz
    Awaz 17 October 2015 17: 32 New
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    it is worth recalling that Finland "rose" precisely because of the active cooperation with the USSR. There is even such an international term "Finlandization". Would you like more details about Poland? What did they do there? Moreover, I think that both of these countries still maintain their prosperity precisely because they actively cooperate with Russia.
  8. akm8226
    akm8226 17 October 2015 18: 00 New
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    Excuse me - how much of that Russian population remains? And what is his age? Far beyond 60, 70. And you want a person at that age to break down no one knows where? Okay, the moth-boy 0 sat down and went and burn it all ... but after all the people there are usually elderly. And much. Read Lithuanian statistics ... everything is there.
  9. Yuri. Kaliningrad
    Yuri. Kaliningrad 17 October 2015 19: 51 New
    +9
    Dude, you can see in my face what you don’t believe in! In 2000, I moved from Klaipeda to Kaliningrad. And I'm not the only one!
  10. Yuri. Kaliningrad
    Yuri. Kaliningrad 17 October 2015 19: 51 New
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    Dude, you can see in my face what you don’t believe in! In 2000, I moved from Klaipeda to Kaliningrad. And I'm not the only one!
  11. Are
    Are 18 October 2015 09: 49 New
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    During the USSR, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were fully funded, purchasing power and provision of goods were higher than in Russia ....
    If you do not invest in the restoration of industry, then the Baltic countries will not see any income either. There will be no consumer demand (solvent population) - there will be no development ...
    With a high degree of probability, I can assume that Russia (if these quasi-states are included in its structure) can develop the economy of these territories.
  12. intuzazist
    intuzazist 18 October 2015 14: 47 New
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    Worked locals ?! And what grandmas did they all build on! ??? You have been there regularly! And I was born there, in Riga !!! And I don’t need to fill in what was there ..................
  13. Shishiga
    Shishiga 18 October 2015 23: 08 New
    +1
    The author, issuing his conclusions, does not at all mention one and the most (in my opinion) important indicator.
    The outflow of the population and its direction.
    Well, nowhere have I seen that even if the Russian-speaking and often lawless (or rather stateless persons) from these countries would return en masse to Russia. Well, there isn’t this (they run to the West, work, etc .., although what does it mean to run - the EU is generally one country), but what would the Baltic countries return to the USSR (take-2) - well, you have to be still adequate.

    Why, suddenly they can’t build?
    The Finns could. Poles - could (both countries were part of the Russian Empire).



    So you answered your question.
    If we would like to build, we wouldn’t run away from our homeland wherever our eyes look, but we would build.
  14. frolenkow
    frolenkow 19 October 2015 09: 29 New
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    You have forgotten about the huge investments in industry and agriculture in the Baltics. They were simply given a lot of money. And at this time, the "careless and dirty" Russians in Russia lived in poverty. It's simple. Money!
  • Eugene-Eugene
    Eugene-Eugene 17 October 2015 10: 30 New
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    At that time, I was talking to one such Russophobic entrepreneur from Latvia

    Now you can’t talk to them without a translator: there was a plot - the number of offices teaching the Russian language increases in the Baltic States, since they don’t know it at all (except, of course, Russian-speaking, that is, Russian in fact, the population)

    Author: In the foreseeable future, the Baltic States will finally become impoverished;

    1) In 1989, 1,38 million Latvians and 0,9 million Russians lived in Latvia, in 2015 - 1,22 and 0,51 million, respectively. That is, by and large, Latvia "dies out" only for account of the Russians leaving the country. In 1989, 3,7 million people lived in Lithuania, and in 2012 - 3 million. The number of Russians decreased by 2 times (to about 170 thousand). Here we also observe a decrease in the Russian population and, in contrast to Latvia, an overall significant decrease in the population. Estonia: in 1989 1,6 million people total, in 2015 - 1,3 million. The decline in Russians is not so noticeable. In the Baltics as a whole, we observe a noticeable decrease in the population, including a decrease in the number of the Russian diaspora.
    2) Latvia's GDP in 1990 was $ 9 billion, in 2013 - $ 9,5 billion (in constant prices). In Lithuania, GDP has grown significantly, as in Estonia. We do not observe "impoverishment": the economy has reoriented from industrial supplies to the Russian Federation to ensuring the transit of Russian raw materials to Europe. Hence the closure of industrial enterprises and, in parallel, the development of transport infrastructure (which, by the way, is under the control of Russian corporations).
    In general, it is wrong to seriously consider the Baltics (even as a whole) as some kind of self-sufficient integrity. Its total population is equal to that of the Krasnodar Territory, and the entire "economy" is actually reduced to transit. As long as Russian exports through the Baltics continue to grow, its economy will develop. Surplus labor resources will continue to emigrate to the EU and the Russian Federation.

    About the future of the Baltics. Its transit role can be used by the United States to the detriment of economic ties between the Russian Federation and Europe. Now it is already actually occupied by the Americans. They will give the command - blocking of Russian transit will begin. Europe can support the stars-stripes, hoping to oust the Russian Federation and take control of the transport infrastructure in the region. For a short time, this will hit the export from the Russian Federation, it will be necessary to develop its own port infrastructure in the St. Petersburg region and on the Black Sea, and to increase the sea transport fleet. As a result, after 3-5 years of losses, the Baltics will remain out of work, no one needs "agglomeration of highly civilized electors." Only in this case, I can agree with the author that "the Baltics will become impoverished completely, half will die out."
  • Victorio
    Victorio 17 October 2015 11: 14 New
    +5
    Quote: severniy
    No, I think they won’t return, and we are not their brothers, and we don’t need them, although we can almost become neighbors and will become when the thread ...

    ====
    ) will return if Russia will live better than Europe.
    life, as elsewhere, is different. if there were a larger population in the republics, it would be worse. At first they ate the legacy of the Soviet past, from the transit of ports, now the EU helps, so the development of infrastructure and much of the social network for EU money. Lithuanians, as the most enterprising, are active in all three republics. Finns are actively helping Estonians.
    cx is not so bad.
  • Xergey
    Xergey 17 October 2015 11: 21 New
    +3
    They are where the strong and rich, if we come to this, they will change the rhetoric and change Russophobia.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 17 October 2015 12: 11 New
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    boulevard. Finns to become * neutral *, * needed * FOUR times to declare war on the SOVIET UNION and FOUR * to * rake *. It is a pity that AND IN STALIN he was a gentle and kind person. Many war criminals were not shot and exiled. Now criminals breed, raise offspring, share experiences.
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 October 2015 13: 34 New
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      Quote: Vasily50
      Finns to become * neutral *, * needed * FOUR times to declare war on the SOVIET UNION

      Can you name both the war and the dates of their declaration?
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    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 17 October 2015 14: 53 New
      +5
      The four-hour artillery bombardment of Helsinki was enough for the Finns to become neutrals.
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  • Belgorod
    Belgorod 17 October 2015 12: 30 New
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    First of all, we need to change the attitude towards such "brothers" (Bulgarians again refused to provide an air corridor to the Russian transport company)
    We must stop putting ungrateful critters on our necks. I hope the 90s will be good lessons for the Russian Federation for centuries
    1. bondarencko
      bondarencko 18 October 2015 21: 08 New
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      Yes Yes! It was the EBN, after the "defeat" of the GKChP from August 26 to 28, 1991 by drunkenness in the hunting farm of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Latvia, on Lake Babelite, who signed (without having the right to) the independence of the three Baltic republics, which our "super-damocrates" call "Baltic".
  • Weyland
    Weyland 18 October 2015 14: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: bulvas
    In addition, they will be loyal - let them raise cows, produce cheeses and cottage cheese to fish, for God's sake.


    No, really! Attach the Baltic states only after they in full force will go to the EU to wash toilets!
  • vladimirw
    vladimirw 19 October 2015 12: 53 New
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    Finland, alas, is no longer neutral, like Sweden
  • avt
    avt 17 October 2015 09: 36 New
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    Quote: asiat_61
    : .. the Latvian x ... yes the soul ..

    No. It seems that I didn’t hear from THEM, but some way - from a Latvian except x..rena not a shisha.
    1. bondarencko
      bondarencko 18 October 2015 21: 10 New
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      And again not so. My father is a stove-maker, my mother is a laundress, and I am a Latvian!
  • Chak
    Chak 17 October 2015 09: 19 New
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    Tatyana, absolutely right !!! hi
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 17 October 2015 10: 14 New
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    I don’t remember writing no, but Dad, working as a trucker, already in the late 70s of the last century did not like to travel to the Baltic states. Natural fascists, they say, ask something — or they will turn away the mug, or say I don’t understand.
  • Apsit
    Apsit 17 October 2015 10: 26 New
    +5
    Quote: Tatiana
    Allied investments in the development of the regions of the USSR

    Even if the return of the prodigal son happens, then since it was no longer possible in principle. Today, they no longer remember the brotherhood of equality, etc. Today, market relations and rapprochement will only take into account the principle - you are me, I am you.
    1. barsik92090
      barsik92090 17 October 2015 11: 06 New
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      You, to me, taking into account moral and material damage for Russophobic policy, carried out at the direction of the West!
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  • Ledorub
    Ledorub 17 October 2015 13: 06 New
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    The worst thing for them, if they still do not understand, is that they have lost their national identity, their individual culture, which they were so proud of as part of the USSR. In the USSR, national identification was welcomed for all republics. National costumes, languages, national (rather than religious) holidays, folk dance and song groups, all this was not prohibited. On the contrary, this was put at the forefront in Soviet ideology, and the culture of each nationality was pumped at the highest level. One VDNH was worth it. The Baltic states had much to be proud of, they even preserved part of the Slavic pagan culture by that time more than the rest of the Slavs. And powerful movie studios in every Baltic republic, which were not filmed first-class films? What about pop music?
    There is no longer any national identity. Europe does not need this. Only an extra reason for separatism, as it turned out. Who needs the Baltic languages ​​now? They are forced to ban the Russian language only because it will quickly supplant its national language. Very quickly, because in the EU no one receives money for the national culture. This is very noticeable at Eurovision.
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 October 2015 13: 39 New
      -1
      Quote: Ledorub
      There is no longer any national identity. Europe does not need it

      Well, the most important nat. identity is language. how about this in the baltic? Have they already switched to English?
      Quote: Ledorub
      Who needs the Baltic languages ​​now?

      Baltic states, for self-identification
      Quote: Ledorub
      They are forced to ban the Russian language only because it will quickly supplant its national language.

      Do you think that the Balts would switch to Russian?
  • SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 17 October 2015 08: 16 New
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    Most countries in Europe owe us their freedom, life and STATE.
    But the paradox is that it is precisely these countries that conduct anti-Russian rhetoric with some hatred.
    Everything ingenious is simple: we gave birth to them, we liquidate them (as pseudo-state entities). This is worse than children ungrateful towards their parents - this is a whole cult of hatred and envy, with all that it implies. Betrayal and venality.
    Having betrayed him once, he is no longer worthy and does not deserve leniency.
    Only the reorganization of territories and ethnos (no matter how cynical it may sound).
    It’s not worth it to regret and rehabilitate as with Bandera: there will be no problems in the future, as in Ukraine (the same pseudo-state!).
    They will be on the rights of districts and regions of the Russian Federation.
    This is just for geopolitical security reasons.

    But there are many such chimera-pseudo-states.

    It is unfortunate that our humanism and generosity (in the equivalent of the lives of Russian people) come to us sideways.

    No one should go unpunished.
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 October 2015 10: 32 New
      -3
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      Most European countries owe us their freedom, life, and STATE.

      Actually, who exactly can you name? Regarding statehood, especially.
      By the way, let's not touch the Second World War, because statehood of the main number of European countries took shape long before the Second World War.
      1. L10n77
        L10n77 17 October 2015 11: 27 New
        +3
        Yes, no problem, we will not touch the Second World War, almost all the small countries of Europe received statehood from the hands of Russia after the defeat of France and Napoleon.
        1. atalef
          atalef 17 October 2015 12: 18 New
          -3
          Quote: L10n77
          Yes, no problem, we will not touch the Second World War, almost all the small countries of Europe received statehood from the hands of Russia after the defeat of France and Napoleon.

          Can I have an example, please, well, at least from five countries hi
          1. Eugene-Eugene
            Eugene-Eugene 17 October 2015 13: 03 New
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            Regarding Europe 20 century: all the Balkan countries within the borders of 1912, Czechoslovakia and Austria after 2. And the fact that Israel exists thanks to the USSR, I think, and it is not necessary to stutter: where would the population of this country now be in the event of Hitler's victory?
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 October 2015 13: 41 New
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              Quote: L10n77
              Yes, no problem, we will not touch the Second World War, almost all the small countries of Europe received statehood from the hands of Russia after the defeat of France and Napoleon.

              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              Regarding Europe of the 20th century: all Balkan countries within the borders of 1912

              which countries? if possible with dates
              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              Czechoslovakia and Austria after 2mv

              THE USSR ? belay how interesting you rewrite history
              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              And the fact that Israel exists thanks to the USSR, I think, and you don’t need to stutter

              Only the USSR?
              Quote: Eugene-Eugene
              where would the population of this country be if Hitler won?

              Where would Russia be?
              1. Eugene-Eugene
                Eugene-Eugene 17 October 2015 16: 40 New
                +6
                which countries? if possible with dates

                If you wish, you can familiarize yourself with this information. For example: the next Russian-Turkish war ended in 1829, in Greece 1830 declared its independence.

                as interesting you rewrite history

                The USSR made a major contribution to the defeat of fascism, along with the United States played a decisive role in the postwar reconstruction of Europe. Restoring the sovereignty of Austria and Czechoslovakia is his direct achievement. And where am I wrong?

                Only the USSR?

                And who at Stalingrad and Kursk and in all subsequent battles on the main, Eastern Front, broke the back of fascism?

                Where would Russia be?

                Russia took upon itself the main blow of fascism, having resisted in a fight with it, saved the lives of itself and many nations, including the Jews. In contrast, for example, to the capitulation of France and England hiding on the island. Or do you think that the USSR destroyed Hitler?
              2. inferno_nv
                inferno_nv 19 October 2015 20: 00 New
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                Where there is, there would be! But Israel would probably never have happened. tongue
          2. Geser
            Geser 19 October 2015 08: 27 New
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            One example of a country owed to Russia not only for its statehood but also for its very existence. This country is Germany. Shortly before the invasion, Napoleon suggested to Alexander the First: "It is enough for you to say a word and nothing will remain from Prussia the next day, my army will not leave a stone unturned there." But the Emperor Alexander did not want the destruction of Prussia and refused Napoleon's offer. And after the defeat of Napoleon, the Congress of Vienna took place, at which the map of Europe was changed. So Norway left Sweden. If you're interested, read the history of the Congress of Vienna.
      2. Victorio
        Victorio 17 October 2015 11: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        Most European countries owe us their freedom, life, and STATE.

        Actually, who exactly can you name? Regarding statehood, especially.
        By the way, let's not touch the Second World War, because statehood of the main number of European countries took shape long before the Second World War.

        ===
        if in the baltics, then estonia and latvia took place, precisely as the states "latvia" and "estonia", only after the revolution of 17.
        1. atalef
          atalef 17 October 2015 12: 20 New
          -2
          Quote: Victorio
          if in the baltics, then estonia and latvia took place, precisely as the states "latvia" and "estonia", only after the revolution of 17.

          Like Finland or Poland.
          Just what is the connection?
          The Russian Empire collapsed, parts broke away from it.
          So to speak, you can even agree on such that 70% of the countries of the world are obliged by their statehood to England.
          1. mihasik
            mihasik 17 October 2015 13: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            The Russian Empire collapsed, parts broke off from it

            Well, first of all: the Russian Empire / USSR did not collapse, it was purposefully and deliberately destroyed in the tandem "what is outside, what is inside".
            Secondly: Do you know why there will never be a full-fledged USSR-2.0 what scares the USA itself?
            When the USSR collapsed, Russia took all the debts of the former republics upon itself and it was hard for us to pay them, especially during the collapse of the 90s-00s, but the Russian Federation managed.
            By the way, do those "independent and independent" people remember this?
            What now?
            How many former republics have managed to pick up debts during the years of "independence"? How are the fleas?
            Now calculate the total external and internal debts of these "prosperous" territories and ask yourself a question. Can we afford (and most importantly, is there a desire) to take on ourselves once more what these "proud but independent" have picked up?
            Therefore, the maximum that can be, this is what the EAEU came to. Don’t say that, but Nazarbayev and Putin are handsome, they have calculated everything: doing nothing to their countries is harmful!
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 October 2015 13: 49 New
              -4
              Quote: mihasik
              Well, first of all: the Russian Empire / USSR did not collapse, it was purposefully and deliberately destroyed in the tandem "what is outside, what is inside"

              It doesn’t matter, outside or inside - it fell apart

              Quote: mihasik
              Secondly: Do you know why there will never be a full-fledged USSR-2.0 what scares the USA itself?

              The USA itself is not afraid of USSR-2, because of realism.
              Quote: mihasik
              When the USSR collapsed, Russia took all the debts of the former republics upon itself and it was hard for us to pay them, especially during the collapse of the 90s-00s, but the Russian Federation managed.

              Well, the main part was forgiven, but you yourself took it upon yourself and for this you declared yourself the assignee of the USSR
              Quote: mihasik
              By the way, do those "independent and independent" people remember this?

              I don’t know, but what does it matter?
              If they took part of the debts on themselves, they could easily claim part of the property (foreign USSR)
              Quote: mihasik
              How many former republics have managed to pick up debts during the years of "independence"? How are the fleas?

              so what ?
              Quote: mihasik
              Now calculate the total external and internal debts of these "prosperous" territories and ask yourself a question. Can we afford (and most importantly, is there a desire) to take on ourselves once more what these "proud but independent" have picked up?

              I do not know . I think the problem is not this, but the fact that the former republics of the USSR themselves will not want to.
              What is it all about? USSR -2, you won’t be able to hobble New Russia to the end, but here the USSR is 2.
              Quote: mihasik
              Therefore, the maximum that can be, this is what the EAEU came to. Don’t say that, but Nazarbayev and Putin are handsome, they have calculated everything: doing nothing to their countries is harmful!

              I don’t know, quotas for the import of products from Russia. Kazakhstan introduced
              1. mihasik
                mihasik 17 October 2015 18: 25 New
                +2
                And what quotes on letters did not spread? Weak?)
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 18 October 2015 07: 26 New
        0
        respected! (or vice versa?) reading your comments all the time I ask the question: is my opponent adequate? you repeatedly demand examples, and when they are brought to you, you bashfully do not notice them, ignoring even the most obvious. Do you ask for examples of statehood acquired through Russia? yes for God's sake: Bulgaria. this country gained statehood precisely thanks to Russia, and not following the results of the Second World War, but long before it. learn materiel (history), as they say. further: the article correctly states that until the Baltic region became part of the Republic of Ingushetia, well, there were no INDEPENDENT state independent entities. All these countries gained independence EXACTLY due to the Bolsheviks. will you argue? Then the facts in the studio, please! hi
        1. inferno_nv
          inferno_nv 19 October 2015 20: 07 New
          0
          I think God's chosen people do not particularly like to bring facts! hi
  • whiteeagle
    whiteeagle 17 October 2015 08: 39 New
    +2
    there are many Russian people but mostly of retirement age. Many young Russians from the Baltic countries in Ireland and the UK.
  • Will
    Will 17 October 2015 11: 03 New
    +4
    A freebie always corrupts, especially for those who lack the mind to distinguish gifts from handouts, and a dependent attitude to grow up alone does not contribute. That is why EQUAL relations are the best form of communication. YTD.
  • beitar
    beitar 17 October 2015 12: 27 New
    +2
    Glorifying the Stalin years
    They will live under the banner of Moscow
    Forever happy peoples
    Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania
    (Sergey Mikhalkov, 1940)
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 17 October 2015 13: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: ZU-23
    We don’t need them, but there are a lot of Russian people there, well, it’s natural for the Baltic states to build nothing, let the fascist helmets take off and go work.


    Unfortunately, you won’t be able to remove the balts from there, so there’s nothing to talk about with them.
  • varov14
    varov14 17 October 2015 20: 53 New
    +3
    It is cheaper for the local Russians to build housing here, but they will find work anyway, and it is not necessary to restore someone else's industry, and build our own somewhere in Kostroma.
  • varov14
    varov14 17 October 2015 20: 53 New
    +1
    It is cheaper for the local Russians to build housing here, but they will find work anyway, and it is not necessary to restore someone else's industry, and build our own somewhere in Kostroma.
  • Maxom75
    Maxom75 18 October 2015 00: 08 New
    0
    all non-Russians in the Baltics to hard labor?)))
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 18 October 2015 18: 18 New
    0
    Let them remain in their favorite role: toilet cleaners. Russia is big, there are a lot of toilets.
  • Suvorov
    Suvorov 19 October 2015 00: 52 New
    0
    Quote: ZU-23
    Needs are not needed but there are many Russian people

    This process is inevitable. Not only that, he is already going, but only in a certain sequence of stages:
    1) the collapse of the American world empire (began with discrediting the main idea of ​​this project - the export of democracy);
    2) the weakening of the power of the world financial elite (began with the beginning of the rejection of the dollar as a world reserve currency);
    3) the collapse of the EU (began with the beginning of drawing the EU into questionable American foreign policy adventures contrary to the interests and will of the Europeans themselves);
    4) filling the emerging "vacuum" with new players. Among the latter, three have the greatest chances: Russia, ISIS and China.
    Moreover, the "battle for the inheritance" has already begun. What we observe in Syria. Russia's entry into the war in Syria means that we will not become simple observers. Where it works, we will agree where it is impossible (as in the case of ISIS) and we are ready for “fierce competition”.
    It is worth recalling that quite recently another “trend” was observed when, after the collapse of the USSR, they began to share the “inheritance in the form of Russia”. It turns out they started early. Our people did not allow this (the protective instinct worked - they elected the president of the GDP), and after the “rebound”, another “trend” began to develop and restore the state. It is in our power to maintain and develop this trend. But, for a new "global project" you need your own attractive ideology.
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  • Magic archer
    Magic archer 17 October 2015 06: 48 New
    30
    I have been to the Baltic countries. The attitude towards Russians, to put it mildly, is disgusting. In a shop, bar or any public place, the Baltic states will not even answer if they speak Russian. My father, who flew there in Soviet times for training camps and competitions, says that in those times were the same. So let the Baldons continue to lick the heels of the European Union and the Americans. We have such "friends" worse than enemies hi
    1. alekc73
      alekc73 17 October 2015 07: 22 New
      27
      My parents went to the Baltic states on a honeymoon trip. This is the end of the 1960s. They were struck by the attitude towards the Russians. The shops refused to understand. My mother asked in German (she was a teacher), they immediately blurted out a smile and sold everything. It was good for them under the Germans- skins.
      1. go21zd45few
        go21zd45few 17 October 2015 08: 55 New
        +6
        Yes, never give them any help, they wanted to let Europe pull them to Europe. The bad thing is that we do not have a normal program for the return of compatriots
        to the homeland.
    2. Moore
      Moore 17 October 2015 07: 46 New
      13
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I visited the Baltic countries.

      I’m constantly there - my mother doesn’t want to leave there.
      You are repeating an established myth from the 70s and 80s. Yes, then some stubborn Natsik (less in Latvia, more in Lithuania and Estonia) could not answer in Russian. Now, with rare exceptions (well, for example, the owner of a coastal inn in Kauguri-Jurmala), they will not answer you just because they simply don’t know Russian, or they know him the way we knew Latvian in the 70s.
      But. Nowadays, not knowing the Russian language makes you a much less competitive jobseeker for work within the country, unless, of course, you have gathered for paid toilet tickets somewhere in Iceland.
      In this case, the "unique identity" declared by the Natsiks in power outright loses not by nightfall to the "invisible hand of the market" when you stupidly want to eat.
      1. Mikhalych 70
        Mikhalych 70 17 October 2015 08: 20 New
        +4
        Do you remember the story of M. Zadornov, how a taxi driver sang songs for him in Russian for $ 100 ?!
        1. papas-57
          papas-57 17 October 2015 08: 45 New
          -2
          '' Do you remember the story of M. Zadornov, how a taxi driver for $ 100 sang songs for him in Russian ?! '' Listen less to Zadornov, he has been talking nonsense for a long time, supporting his popularity with outright chernukha. I haven't written anything good lately.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 09: 40 New
            -4
            Quote: papas-57
            Listen less to Zadornov, he has long been nonsense, supporting his popularity with outright chernukha. Recently, almost nothing good has been written.


            close communication with RenTV to whom the brain will carry the power ... laughing
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 18 October 2015 04: 09 New
              -1
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              close communication with RenTV to whom the brain will carry the power ...


              I didn’t expect so many fans of RenTV or Zadornov? pah pah even though Petrosyan did not touch .. laughing
      2. Pers314
        Pers314 17 October 2015 09: 26 New
        +5
        Myth speak? I have relatives in Lithuania. I’ve often been there before separation. And I saw the attitude towards myself (although later Lithuanians appeared in my relatives). Myths means - well, well.
        1. Moore
          Moore 17 October 2015 11: 26 New
          +6
          You have been there - I lived there and I come every year - there is nothing to do, there is a mother. If you read carefully: I wrote that Lithuania and Estonia "did not understand" much more often. But all this existed at the level, if not of arithmetic error, then at the level of a limited number of stoned ones.
          About Lithuania specifically. This year I was in Kaunas, Palanga, Klaipeda. Saw the "invisible hand of the market" in action. EVERYONE is switching to Russian - from a boy-waiter in Palag's "Cuba" (otherwise he won't work there) to an official of the city municipality (since I screwed up a cant with paid parking).
          1. atalef
            atalef 17 October 2015 12: 25 New
            +5
            Quote: Moore
            About Lithuania specifically. This year I was in Kaunas, Palanga, Klaipeda. Saw the "invisible hand of the market" in action. EVERYONE is switching to Russian - from a boy-waiter in Palag's "Cuba" (otherwise he won't work there) to an official of the city municipality (since I screwed up a cant with paid parking).

            So this is normal, an adequate person, if he wants to survive in market relations, will be turned to face the buyer - and this is not a deflection, but an elementary adequacy
            Waiters spoke to me in Russian stores
            Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Montenegro. Croatia Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Switzerland, Romania, and oddly enough in one restaurant in Milan (near Milan Cathedral) - although I have no problems speaking English.
            What it says - adequate people, language brings together.
      3. saenara
        saenara 17 October 2015 10: 21 New
        +4
        So let them starve in the toilets of Iceland. We now know what they are, thank you, no longer needed.
    3. saenara
      saenara 17 October 2015 10: 19 New
      +6
      In high school, I visited Druskininkai and was shocked that the saleswoman in the store turned away from me and ignored me until she left when she turned to her in Russian - I wanted to buy ice cream.
      So, in my personal opinion, I have to wait thirty years until the very notion of Lithuanian / Latvian / Estonian disappears along with the Cro-Magnons, and there they already think about integration. Territory.
    4. atalef
      atalef 17 October 2015 10: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I visited the Baltic countries. The attitude toward Russians is, to put it mildly, disgusting. In the store, bar or any public place, the Baltic States will not even answer if you speak Russian to him

      Well, why, they answer, but the attitude is definitely not the best.
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 October 2015 06: 55 New
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    "There is no force that could break Russia. Russia will develop, grow and grow stronger. Everything will melt like ice, only one thing will remain intact - the glory of Vladimir (This is about Prince Vladimir, under whom the Baptism of Rus took place. - Ed.), Glory Russia.
    Too much has been sacrificed. No one can stop Russia. She will sweep away everything from her path and not only survive, but also become the ruler of the world.
    (Said by Wanga in 1979. Quotes from the book "Lyudmila and Wanga"
    Everyone will crawl back. Talk to the hard workers from Moldova, Central Asia, Ukraine. Everyone is tired of being "independent." The question is different. Do we need this !?
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 17 October 2015 11: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Observer2014
      Everyone will crawl back. Talk to hard workers from Moldova, Central Asia, Ukraine.

      do not crawl. They will crawl to work - yes.
      Quote: Observer2014
      (Said by Wangoy in 1979

      Prala-they are NATO at our borders, sanctions, etc., and we will throw them with quotes from a blind old woman.
  • Walking
    Walking 17 October 2015 07: 06 New
    10
    Quote: PlotnikoffDD
    But here is to work for them, to help them after all that was ... They, frankly, did not deserve this. And hardly deserve it.

    Do we need them after all that was?


    They themselves are not needed, but the Russians living there and the land, I think Russia will come in handy.
    1. saenara
      saenara 17 October 2015 10: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Hiking
      but the Russians living there and the land, I think Russia will come in handy.

      They are not Russian, their nationality is non-citizens. If there were Russians, they would live here already, or they would finish off the remnants of the Baltic fascist scum through the forests. No, not needed.
  • igordok
    igordok 17 October 2015 07: 24 New
    +5
    Quote: PlotnikoffDD
    Do we need them after all that was?

    We need a field. No more.
    The West is trying to make a foothold. No more.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 17 October 2015 07: 43 New
      +3
      This bridgehead is of little use, for example, in the case of a grandiose schukher (if things go wrong for Russia), if I was not mistaken back in Soviet times, there was a plan to create a radioactive band in the middle of Europe, well now we can create a band say from Poland to the south and in the end ..., I mean, as long as Russia has a nuclear SHIELD, the bridgehead is of course what significance, but not as important as in the last war ...
      1. Throw
        Throw 17 October 2015 08: 24 New
        +8
        "No more"..
        The fact of the matter is that "bridgehead" always means "more" ...

        And the theses of the article "come to their senses", "return" - are incorrect. There is already a new generation that does not remember and does not know what to think about and where to return.
        Therefore, in order not to fight with bridgeheads, you need to fight for the minds. And with this, in the last quarter century we have a full bzden ...
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  • dr.star75
    dr.star75 17 October 2015 07: 39 New
    +1
    We need, at a minimum, this is the bridgehead of the west on our territory, and it should be under our control. Everything else is secondary.
    1. saenara
      saenara 17 October 2015 10: 26 New
      +1
      Pour it all with napalm, then populate it with barbed wire, gouges, anti-tank hedgehogs and ditches, scarp and minefields. It will be perfectly controlled.
  • rpek32
    rpek32 17 October 2015 07: 46 New
    10
    Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country, in whatever form it has been updated and with whatever colors our flag has been decorated.


    what for? who needs them as neighbors, and even more so as an object in which you need to invest? or is everything perfectly done at our place? First you need to solve your problems.
    1. tolian
      tolian 17 October 2015 08: 45 New
      +4
      The indigenous inhabitants of these republics have already disappeared. Their descendants, younger, will slowly disappear. Very accustomed to a freebie. They will look for her over the hill. Until they begin to drive them out. After all, Geyropa is already driving Turks, Arabs, Negroes. Chase and the Baltic-dill plebs. Start to come back. Inquiries will die. Politicians will heed. They will no longer be Russophobes there. Get smarter. And everything will again take off for Russia. A historical sine wave, if you like. It's a question of time.
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  • Finches
    Finches 17 October 2015 08: 44 New
    +5
    We don’t need them anymore! Do not need them!
  • g1v2
    g1v2 17 October 2015 10: 19 New
    +8
    Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia - no, not needed, but Tallinn, Riga and Vilnius regions will come in handy. Perhaps the Old Man will fall into something in this case. In any case, the Baltic states are a threat to us. NATO troops a few tens of kilometers from St. Petersburg is not a buzz. And the problem of discrimination against the Russian population also has not gone away. Kaliningrad still remains an enclave surrounded by the territory of a potential adversary. Tch to return the Baltic states - a good option. The main thing is that treatment does not become worse than the disease. BUILDING NUCLEAR WAR WITH NATO FOR IT IS NOT COMMILF AT ALL. I do not really believe in voluntary affiliations. Nevertheless, the psychology of the Baltic states is not Russian at all. But if the Russian population and the friendly forces of Estonia and Latvia suddenly take power into their own hands (by any means), then the alignment may be different - to the extent that the Baltic states are so afraid.
    But in this case, do not repeat the mistakes of the 20th century and save them as national autonomies - only areas within the Russian Federation. Damn something I was drawn to conquest in the morning - probably because I have not had breakfast yet. laughing We Russians are always aggressive when hungry. angry
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 October 2015 11: 21 New
      -4
      Quote: g1v2
      We Russians are always aggressive when hungry.

      It is sad.
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 17 October 2015 11: 28 New
        0
        A probable adversary. I remember you recommended a book to me, but for some reason only the cover was scanned. I look forward to continuing. wink
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 17 October 2015 11: 30 New
          +1
          I tried the method from the book. But for some reason, my pictures of catching a crocodile with a fishing rod are not inserted at all. I'll try again.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 17 October 2015 11: 37 New
            0
            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/257/mbiz219.jpg
            That's how it was.
            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/142/epwo471.jpg
            But for some reason this one refused to be caught.
            http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/682/qpxo448.jpg
            So I’m waiting for a full scan of the book, and then he will definitely not leave me.
            It looks like they didn’t get in again. Sorry.
          2. atalef
            atalef 17 October 2015 12: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: g1v2
            I tried the method from the book. But for some reason, my pictures of catching a crocodile with a fishing rod are not inserted at all. I'll try again.

            I caught on the wrong river
          3. sabakina
            sabakina 17 October 2015 18: 47 New
            +1
            g1v2 I will try to help you.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 17 October 2015 18: 49 New
              +1
              g1v2 take 2
        2. atalef
          atalef 17 October 2015 12: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: g1v2
          A probable adversary. I remember you recommended a book to me, but for some reason only the cover was scanned. I look forward to continuing. wink

          at the request of workers hi
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 17 October 2015 13: 19 New
            +4
            I meant that you scanned the previous book. Suddenly there is something interesting there. And here in St. Petersburg more than a meter crocodiles do not come across. Maybe it's about feeding? Suddenly, in that book there is something on this subject. request Whether it is in Anapa. There are two-three-meter crocodiles. yes And as far as I can see, this book was taken from your personal library. Surely read to the holes. laughing So I will not lend it - you obviously need it. hi http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/933/qinm793.jpg
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 October 2015 13: 31 New
              +3
              Quote: g1v2
              And here in St. Petersburg more than a meter crocodiles do not come across.

              Strange, at one time I was on Obvodnoye and a half caught
              Quote: g1v2
              Maybe it's about feeding?

              they are well caught in jamon. gourmets wassat
              Quote: g1v2
              Whether it is in Anapa. There are two-three-meter crocodiles there

              But they are volatile and usually fly in pairs
              Quote: g1v2
              And as far as I can see, this book was taken from your personal library. Surely read to the holes

              she is especially popular on
              hi
              1. g1v2
                g1v2 17 October 2015 13: 47 New
                +4
                Surely lying am . Crocodiles in St. Petersburg are found only in two places - on Krestovsky Island and on Petrograd. On the bypass their period was not found stop . And in Anapa they are the most ordinary, only large - 10 minutes from the central beach. There is a crocodile farm where they are bred. I did not try to catch jamon - I take my word for it. And after the words about flying crocodiles, I begin to understand how the last book came to you. belay By the way, links from previous comments do not open at all? And then I have somewhere pictures with reference to the area should be.
                1. Victor Demchenko
                  Victor Demchenko 18 October 2015 07: 39 New
                  0
                  very, but I can put only one +! good
  • Belgorod
    Belgorod 17 October 2015 12: 26 New
    +3
    And why not?
    1 Great vacation spot (motels, pensions, rural tourism)
    2 Agriculture (silent, etc.)
    3 Non-freezing ports
    And no industry and no subsidies, only loans
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  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 17 October 2015 15: 19 New
    0
    There is a theory that the RSFSR largely "dragged" the union republics, and getting rid of them in the 90s has more chances for successful economic development than before. The question is certainly controversial, but there is a good grain. As for the Baltic states, let them go in peace, and when they themselves return, we'll think about what to do with them.
  • varov14
    varov14 17 October 2015 20: 42 New
    +2
    And we need these "proud" countries on their necks, let them live as Western colonies, there are not occupants, but only juicers. Let them press a little longer.
  • varov14
    varov14 17 October 2015 20: 42 New
    0
    And we need these "proud" countries on their necks, let them live as Western colonies, there are not occupants, but only juicers. Let them press a little longer.
  • Andrey Draganov
    Andrey Draganov 17 October 2015 22: 22 New
    0
    Of course, we need to leave the agrarian country as a buffer between the west and us, not to give citizenship. Not to give subsidies, consider the population the third grade, export black soil, and so on, as our western partners are doing now.
  • Rezident007
    Rezident007 18 October 2015 10: 49 New
    0
    What kind of ghoul is this Hitler and his henchmen, such a plague has created that people are still infected ... also the descendants of the peoples affected by the Nazi yoke praise them .. murderers who think they are higher than they are .. PARADOX . How can you erect monuments and praise these non-humans who considered you second-class people, scum, destroyed everything, AU BALTICS ???
  • spiriolla-45
    spiriolla-45 18 October 2015 13: 26 New
    0
    Yes, they are unnecessary, but it’s worth taking the land. It is not good to have Western military bases under your belly, and it is better to have land communication with the Kaliningrad enclave. Only it will be possible to think about the sim when we get rid of the fifth (liberal) column at home.
  • 56_br
    56_br 18 October 2015 18: 01 New
    0
    I agree with you completely, I just want to add, it is important that our descendants and our children remember and did not forget this even when.
  • Andrey Petrov47
    Andrey Petrov47 19 October 2015 09: 48 New
    0
    I agree. Let them go tries.
  • BLACK-SHARK-64
    BLACK-SHARK-64 19 October 2015 12: 41 New
    0
    Shout together at .... th need !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bully
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 October 2015 06: 23 New
    19
    after this article, the Baltic states, they’ll buy another used tank at the pool ....
    1. Just BB
      Just BB 17 October 2015 06: 48 New
      +6
      I don't think so, but they can invite more "300 Spartans".
      I don’t understand one thing - why do business through them? They will not change their position towards the Russian-speaking population, they will not stop pouring dirt on Russia. Disassemble the rails, plow the roads - all the same they go to a dead end, cut the oil and gas pipe and rewire the power lines - let them rejoice in independence from Russia.
      But ... "Business" - even for a cent ...
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 17 October 2015 10: 22 New
      +1
      That's the calculation :) Faster than tearing up, tearing completely and crawling behind a bone, wagging his tail;)
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 17 October 2015 06: 30 New
    10
    Well, no, do we need it? She died, she died!
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 17 October 2015 06: 33 New
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    Even with a buy-in are not needed. And they will not die out. Now they will be augmented by the Arabs. Well, there will be a little dark-skinned Balts, after a while. Well, you have to pay for "European" values.
    Everyone chooses for themselves
    A woman, a religion, a road.
    Serve the devil or the prophet -
    Everyone chooses for themselves.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 17 October 2015 07: 25 New
      +1
      ... by the way - Satan - the fallen angel - is translated as radiant, because under God was the Archangel - one misfortune - betrayed his god ..
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 17 October 2015 08: 20 New
        +1
        Not betrayed, but proud. For which he was expelled. Not cast down, but banished. Those. actually sent to the link. Most likely it can return if it repents. But pride does not allow.
  • alekc73
    alekc73 17 October 2015 06: 35 New
    13
    We don’t need their sand and pines. Instead of Jurmala there is Sochi. We will build ports in St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad.
    No hysteria is needed. From the Baltic states, the USSR had only problems. The collapse of the USSR went from these republics. Let them live on their own,
    and the West so beloved by them "feeds and protects.
    1. asiat_61
      asiat_61 17 October 2015 08: 48 New
      +4
      First we grab the road to Kaliningrad, and there we will see.
  • Hubun
    Hubun 17 October 2015 06: 37 New
    +6
    Yes, let them revel in their independence. In FIG they are needed, let them live as they want. And in general, they don’t look for good from good
  • 1536
    1536 17 October 2015 06: 37 New
    +8
    In the Baltic states, as well as in Ukraine, the Americans are already digging in. These so simply will not go away and will not be asked to be part of Russia. And therefore, it is not necessary to wait for the return of the lost territories.
    1. ferdiperdozzz
      ferdiperdozzz 17 October 2015 08: 34 New
      0
      Quote: 1536
      These just won't go away

      If only at their own homes a dudger would not start any.
  • Temples
    Temples 17 October 2015 06: 38 New
    +3
    Is that a provocation?
    What extension is the author talking about?
    Or did the author take a gun himself, putting on one foot a boot, and leaving the other in a slipper rush into battle? For joining disconnected?
    Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country, in whatever form it has been updated and with whatever colors our flag has been decorated. But here to work
    1. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 17 October 2015 06: 53 New
      +1
      Of course the article is about nothing. Its purpose is completely incomprehensible. What did the author want to say? Throw citizens in your pantry. The neighbors will figure it out.
      1. Alexanderrr
        Alexanderrr 17 October 2015 07: 34 New
        +2
        Quote: TBM - 75
        The neighbors will figure it out.

        They themselves will not figure it out now, when we are able to neutralize the US corruptive influence, then yes, they will come to their senses, figure it out ...
    2. Alexanderrr
      Alexanderrr 17 October 2015 08: 15 New
      +5
      sooner or later will come back under Russian influence

      и
      In what form will they enter the new state and will they enter?

      not the same thing. And the author connected them ...
      As part of Russia, they are not needed. A lot of effort has been spent in the past - now in the Baltic states the same lack of civilization (industry, science, education, independence has subsided and is degrading), as before 1945. We must raise our own country and fight the main evil on the planet, and evil spoilers without a master shut up. More precisely, shut up their own people. And to return the times of the USSR, when Russia fed and developed all the republics, and then, after the collapse, repaid their debts, there was no need. We need to learn from our mistakes, invest money and resources in our own country, develop infrastructure and science, build cities and improve the well-being of Russian citizens. Maintain a non-aggressive, consistent and adequate foreign policy, defend our positions and interests in accordance with international laws, and not contrary to them, (as the United States is doing now), cooperate, not contain for loyalty, persuade, not force.
      In general, the beginning has been made, there are a lot of problems, but they are solved, the main thing is to continue as it is now. It’s hard for now ... There have been times and harder ...
  • Barboskin
    Barboskin 17 October 2015 06: 39 New
    -1
    Of course they return, in the form of servants. Just change the owners from western to eastern.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 17 October 2015 09: 04 New
      +8
      Barboskin. A servant is an ordinary job. From such an attitude to the work of another person it smacks of snobbery, do you happen to have blue blood ?, or from the top ten Forbes? But on the merits of the issue, power in the Baltic states was seized by American fascist proteges, people like living and surviving, no one wants a revolution and the condition for a return to Russia is only the collapse of Fashington and the heyday of our state
  • shinobi
    shinobi 17 October 2015 06: 40 New
    +4
    But do we need it? It is clear that they will ask for everything back and soon I think. Finish ISIS, conduct a couple more demonstrations of power, and run the race.
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    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 07: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: SeAl2014
      They have genetics against Russia ...

      This is not genetics, with genetics, since everything is normal. Before the crusaders' campaigns, they themselves were not non-Russians, only the millennium of propaganda still yielded results.
      1. SeAl2014
        SeAl2014 17 October 2015 07: 25 New
        +2
        They do not like us very much, although they envy success and development.
        1. Bosk
          Bosk 17 October 2015 07: 49 New
          +3
          Their genetics is not against Russia, their genetics is not against everyone, but against everyone, because from the very beginning the very idea of ​​independence was complete independence from everyone, and this requires money and not a little money, and for this I had to "bow" once. .then one more time ... so we got carried away by the most unbalanced ...
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      2. tolian
        tolian 17 October 2015 08: 57 New
        +2
        Germans diluted Latvia, Lithuania Poles, many Estonia. All the Baltic states are Russian. Years will pass and Russian motives will appear in the genes of the Baltic states. These territories are not going anywhere. From us, from Russia. The same applies to the outskirts and Moldova and Georgia. The law of nature - if you want to eat - you need to work, and not to freebies to run away to idiots.
    2. Alexanderrr
      Alexanderrr 17 October 2015 08: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: SeAl2014
      UkrAina, only small and very proud.

      Rather, small and nasty. Proud do not lick heels.
  • Nymp
    Nymp 17 October 2015 06: 46 New
    +7
    Not only to the Baltic states, but also to dill, it is no longer necessary to build an economy after their overt fascism against the Russians. They surpassed the Balts. Only it is unlikely that these lands will become part of a resurgent empire! Most likely, it will include new, Asian territories.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 17 October 2015 06: 50 New
    +4
    It makes no sense to even discuss the return of the Baltic states to Russia. Unless, in the form of an area, and then, in ... years or ... yat, when we need land. Litarabs will not work out of them, but they will significantly change the orientation of the Baltic states. They can add 1 + 1 and start thinking.

    But the fact that the venality of elites has no limits - we must take into account in relation to our "elites". hi
  • Nasty
    Nasty 17 October 2015 06: 54 New
    +7
    Is such a Baltic marked for us? The Baltic states are needed WITHOUT the Baltic states. Kaylo and saw in hand and on Kolyma.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 17 October 2015 07: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: Nasty
      Is such a Baltic state drawn to us? The Baltic states are needed WITHOUT the Baltic states.

      something similar was said by Alozievich by the name of Shikelgruber, but this concerned the Eastern Slavs. What is interesting, and thoughts about non-donations related to the Slavs were also expressed to them, and now they are repeated ten times by Russian users on this thread in relation to the Balts. So I understand the Hitler case is blooming in the minds of some Russians, and you seem to declare that you are fighting the Nazis, taking their slogans and ideas into service. Maybe first you will kill the fascists in your own brains, and only then with claims to your neighbors? and then you read your posts and from them it sounds like "Rusland uber ales".
      1. tolian
        tolian 17 October 2015 09: 02 New
        +1
        Semurg, first understand the concept of "Balts" and "Baltic republics".
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 17 October 2015 07: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Nasty
      Is such a Baltic state drawn to us? The Baltic states are needed WITHOUT the Baltic states.

      something similar was said by Alozievich by the name of Shikelgruber, but this concerned the Eastern Slavs. What is interesting, and thoughts about non-donations related to the Slavs were also expressed to them, and now they are repeated ten times by Russian users on this thread in relation to the Balts. So I understand the Hitler case is blooming in the minds of some Russians, and you seem to declare that you are fighting the Nazis, taking their slogans and ideas into service. Maybe first you will kill the fascists in your own brains, and only then with claims to your neighbors? and then you read your posts and from them it sounds like "Rusland uber ales".
      1. Mikhalych 70
        Mikhalych 70 17 October 2015 08: 33 New
        +2
        I could be wrong, but Alozievich was considering the option of expanding the borders of one European country, and on the branch only one interlocutor expressed such an idea. And the rest of the participants, it seems, only recall the residual negativity towards the Russian Baltic states, without going, so to speak, beyond the borders. No fascism.
        Py-sy. As a child, when I came with my parents on an excursion to Tallinn, I asked my mother why the aunt in the store did not want to serve us.
    3. tolian
      tolian 17 October 2015 09: 00 New
      +1
      If by the Baltic states the former SS men are understood.
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  • Lumumba
    Lumumba 17 October 2015 06: 55 New
    +7
    We do not need balts. Well on ...

    A people completely ethnically alien to us. And from the common Soviet past there were only monuments that are now successfully breaking through. Let them stay in their Europe, or where they are right there.

    Who wants to visit, or to work - you are welcome, we will be happy. And to integrate ... No, really.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 17 October 2015 07: 45 New
      +1
      Rather, like a rabbit in a boa constriction will be integration.
    2. saenara
      saenara 17 October 2015 10: 35 New
      +2
      On a visit, work is also not necessary. Let them work in Europe as they used to. Serfs at the Swedes there, courtesans in Germany. To us - do not.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 October 2015 06: 56 New
    +3
    betrayal - this cannot be forgiven.

    I completely agree with this. But the fact that the Balts will run back to Russia is not sure. Correctly wrote above that the United States begins to gain a foothold there under the guise of NATO and the Russian threat. They certainly will not die out completely, but assimilating is not clear what. Time will dot itself on I.
  • fvandaku
    fvandaku 17 October 2015 06: 58 New
    +6
    I’ll tell you more, these grief Europeans didn’t have a Toilet until the 40s. They ran for a hut. Darkness. laughing
    1. screw cutter
      screw cutter 17 October 2015 11: 19 New
      +2
      And I’ll tell you even more, now in many houses in the central part of Riga there is one toilet for the whole staircase. Rather, the toilet on the stairwell is a building of the beginning of the 20th century.
  • 31rus
    31rus 17 October 2015 07: 07 New
    +8
    Do you want a strong Russia? I think yes, then, first of all, order must be restored at home in Russia, and before that, how far is it. The Baltic states today meet "Western requirements" and this will be for a long time, in the future there will be "mini EU Baltic, to reduce costs", I don't think that the Balts themselves want to be under the tutelage of Russia, therefore, apart from business, we won't have anything with them, about conversations that there are a lot of Russians, look at Ukraine and you will understand everything, there are even more Russians
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 17 October 2015 07: 33 New
      +6
      It is not necessary to equate Russians in Ukraine with Russians in the Baltic states, in contrast to Ukraine, Russians here immediately made it clear that they are second-class people here, and you know ... it does not contribute to mutual understanding, say in Lithuania and Estonia this is not very noticeable but in Latvia it still comes around in the future, the main thing is that the Latvians themselves are already beginning to understand that they were screwing something up there at the very beginning ... but the ship has already left and now we are waiting for the Arabs with blacks ... with real blacks ...
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 17 October 2015 08: 12 New
        -1
        Quote: Bosk
        now we are waiting for the Arabs with blacks ... with real blacks ...

        By the way, this is such a turning point in eugenics and psychology, it will certainly take time, but I think the result will be, and the thoughts "Come on in the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, the Moscow region" are firstly harmful, and secondly, this is not the level of the state, but the bourgeoisie cities N
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 17 October 2015 07: 08 New
    +6
    The Balts, in my opinion, crossed the critical size of the population, after which the extinction of the species is inevitable. laughing

    Natural population growth is negative. Crowds leave for the EU and successfully assimilate there - these are not Wahhabis. And after that, you can mark as much as you like in the gravel the nationality "Lithuanian", but if you are not the bearer of an original culture and an original mentality, then it will give nothing.

    Will die out.
    1. venaya
      venaya 17 October 2015 07: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Gormengast
      And after that, you can mark as much as you like in the gravel nationality "Lithuanian", but if you are not the bearer of an original culture and original mentality

      And what is original: besides the name the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the term Russian-Lithuanian principality was also widely used. Now they are trying to keep silent about this. All their originality arose after the Crusades, that is, alluvial, no more. And the language and writing, as well as the gods, everything there was purely Russian and no other. And what is the identity?
  • Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 17 October 2015 07: 09 New
    +7
    Not any industry. Agriculture and then Schaub fed themselves. At most one institute at all and that’s it. And for good, they are not needed in FIGs, they looked at us very high even under the USSR, and yes they always had everything and supplies and everything else. And what for once again feed these freaks. And our Raseic business is waiting for 17 years. I can’t understand them of these hucksters, if they think that they will kiss them in the west. A little that the loot will be taken away like stolen and all. Sanctions did not alert them, but in vain. There are enough thieves in tailcoats. And they know how to cut money no worse. And they don’t need competitors.
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  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 17 October 2015 07: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: 1536
    In the Baltic states, as well as in Ukraine, the Americans are already digging in. These so simply will not go away and will not be asked to be part of Russia. And therefore, it is not necessary to wait for the return of the lost territories.

    Quote: Nymp
    Not only to the Baltic states, but also to dill, it is no longer necessary to build an economy after their overt fascism against the Russians. They surpassed the Balts. Only it is unlikely that these lands will become part of a resurgent empire! Most likely, it will include new, Asian territories.

    I fully agree. It is necessary to STRENGTHEN the Russian Federation, and not throw out funds to those who hate Russia.
  • evil partisan
    evil partisan 17 October 2015 07: 16 New
    0
    Right now Dalia will read this article and immediately request to Russia yes .
  • Wiruz
    Wiruz 17 October 2015 07: 20 New
    +4
    No, well, if it will be possible to return the Baltic states without the Baltic states, then why not. Moreover, the native Russian lands are much more than non-Russian.
    1. albert
      albert 17 October 2015 18: 51 New
      +1
      It is true that the same Tartu used to be called Yuryev.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 17 October 2015 07: 29 New
    +9
    Instead of "factories, newspapers, ships" the European Union slipped Conchita to the Baltic states. laughing

    Lepota.

    A state in which there is no industry cannot be considered a real state. This is a certain territory.
    At the same time, the industry does not include: dog grooming salons, genital piercing, anus tattooing; insurers insurance risk reinsurance companies; shops for the resale of foreign-made goods; trading in virtual oil and paper gold, etc.

    What remains in the dry residue? Sprats, cheese, and the transit of Russian goods.
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 17 October 2015 07: 39 New
    +7
    I watched a social survey in the final class of an Estonian school - 99% were going to leave for Europe. And so on throughout the Baltic states! When in 20 years the last Soviet pensioners will die out, the Baltic Gaster will come from Europe, sell their grandfather real estate and dump forever! Given how Russians are buying real estate, you can roughly imagine how, when and in what form these territories will return to us ...
  • SPACE
    SPACE 17 October 2015 07: 45 New
    +6
    The traitors made their choice, when they completely degraded and completely devoid their sovereignty and statehood with their own hands, they should be included in Russia as the Baltic Federal District or Territory, divided into 7 provinces along new borders, without the right to recreate nationally oriented entities.
  • Stepan stepanovich
    Stepan stepanovich 17 October 2015 07: 46 New
    15
    Quote: Magic Archer
    I visited the Baltic countries. The attitude towards Russians is mildly disgusting. In the store, bar or any public place, the Baltic States will not even answer if you speak Russian to him. My father, who flew there in Soviet times to gatherings and competitions, says that in those times was the same

    I confirm that hostility to those who spoke great and mighty was and is there.
    Why? The standard of living in the west is higher than Russian.
    It will become better in Russia than in the West, they will hate the West ...
    The Baltic countries - worm states, always strive for a well-fed master.
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  • Tusv
    Tusv 17 October 2015 07: 57 New
    +6
    The moral of this article. History is merciless, and Russia is eternal
  • Rigla
    Rigla 17 October 2015 08: 05 New
    +4
    Why bring these enemies back? What would they be fat at our expense again ???
  • SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 17 October 2015 08: 06 New
    +4
    "They were a showcase of our mighty state, there was the highest per capita income, the greatest number of subsidies and all kinds of privileges. The Balts never lived as satisfying and calm as in the Union of 60-80s."

    Were a showcase, became the ass of the gay union! Honestly, I do not expect them and there is absolutely no desire that people’s money would be spent in the future on their economy, on the economy of people who have poured so much d / e / p / b / m / a on Russia. And you, gentlemen of the Baltic states, I will say this, you live with a neighbor who knows how to be friends, but if something happens, you can clean the display window or even scratch it !!!
  • Mirrorfax
    Mirrorfax 17 October 2015 08: 11 New
    +1
    Guys, well, enough about the Mongol-Tatar yoke, which in fact wasn’t here to vap.)
  • tor978
    tor978 17 October 2015 08: 19 New
    +6
    Honestly, the author’s conclusions didn’t please; why did Russia take the Baltic states back? They don’t want to live in friendship with Russia, then goodbye, investing in a potential enemy - this can only be complete. You will turn away and they will spit on your back, if you fall, they will generally trample. Now it’s not enough to keep and swig gigantic money into the Baltic countries, as it was during the USSR.
  • Curious
    Curious 17 October 2015 08: 20 New
    +2
    Probably Russia needs the Baltics. Yes, there are a lot of Russians there. But I would like the "indigenous" Balts to gorge themselves on European "happiness" so much, so that they have an acute desire to be friends with Russia, so that they themselves ask for us. And so that they would agree to any terms of our friendship.
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 17 October 2015 08: 23 New
    +4
    Those who say that we do not need the Baltic states need to completely turn away from it, etc. At heart I agree, but ... Our people are there, and there are many of them. Turn away from them? Moreover: hundreds of thousands of lives of our fathers-grandfathers-great-grandfathers were given for the liberation of these Baltic states. For the liberation of Latvia alone, 150 thousands of our ancestors were given their lives! They died in vain? I don’t want to think so.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 18 October 2015 07: 57 New
      0
      you know brother, my relatives are in mass graves from Stalingrad to Berlin ... so what do I need to demand the accession of Germany? I don’t feel like it ... hi
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 17 October 2015 08: 31 New
    +3
    Yes, we don’t need to be friends with anyone! Let them bring them to the European Union, they work there as cooks / breakdowns / plumbers (if the Poles are moved), and we will resettle these lands again! I hope here no one needs to be reminded how the city of Tartu was called in the 11th century ...
  • Tungus
    Tungus 17 October 2015 08: 33 New
    +2
    Any door is either an entrance or an exit. It all depends on which direction to move. So is the Baltic states. While they were of interest to us and the USSR invested in them, they were for us the entrance to Europe. And now the vector of interests has changed. And they became the anus of Europe. Yes, and Europe is not the same. Accordingly, I think that it would not hurt to fence off the anus with a sanitary zone. And we are the craftsmen to create sanitary cordons.
  • Pule
    Pule 17 October 2015 08: 36 New
    +2
    Author Ivan Gorshenev wrote a good "political statement"! And I will declare for the eternal - "there is no prophet in his own country" ...
    And we'll see ... drinks
  • bubla5
    bubla5 17 October 2015 08: 39 New
    +3
    Soon there will be no Baltic states.
  • Tungus
    Tungus 17 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +8
    I served as an urgent in Kaunas in 1988. After my industrial Chelyabinsk with typical buildings, the streets of Kaunas looked rather unusual and interesting. But the labuses ... Fewer than three people weren't allowed to fire us. You walk around the city, and the youngsters and those who are over 40-50 after him hiss "landing force ocupantas". Not infrequently it came to the compulsion to peace. Fathers commanders did not punish us if they instilled patriotism in Labus. But there were also normal people. They sold me ice cream a couple of times, and they answered in Russian. And then everything: "labo denes, tolyau pashtas" and so on. Let me summarize. Their latent Russophobia became apparent because there was no one to squeeze out their hissing teeth in response to rudeness.
  • Guntruck
    Guntruck 17 October 2015 08: 53 New
    +6
    No more games of national identity and support for national cultures - as practice has shown, this does not lead to the development of culture, but to the emergence of a bad and arrogant national "intelligentsia" on the outskirts of the suburbs, fattening on subsidies allocated by the center for the "development of national cultures". Moreover, it is not the brightest and most talented representatives of the outlying peoples who are enrolled in the "guardians of the national hearth", but any talentless rabble that has no chance at the all-Union level. But if the competition is not for the attention of the viewer, but for the distribution of subsidies, then they have no equal here. Well, over time, they and the rest of the people inevitably infect with their bad Russophobia.

    Therefore, all returning suburbs, if such a process of return will ever begin to take place, should be taken back only under long-term Russification. A couple of regional museums and ensembles to save songs and dances, for color, that's all. The principle should be simple: if you left the Union in national clothes, you can enter back only by removing them. Let the natives themselves, and their main children, live in the general Russian information field, study in Russian schools, etc. This is the only way to guarantee in the future from the development of marginal separatism.
  • smith7
    smith7 17 October 2015 09: 00 New
    +4
    From the category of "dreaming is not harmful." drinks These people, in the Baltic part of the EU, speak the language of money. They are convinced Russophobes. The majority of patriots are unlikely to be found among the current Baltic Russophobes. Xmopolitanism is in the trend, they live "without a homeland, without a flag" in any place where it is nourishing and soft to sleep. Their native land, it seems, is a blurred concept for the entire Eurotolerant territory. Let them knock down there. I think these Baltic countries can be bought somehow. And populate them with the current "non-citizens", because it is so fair. A move similar in meaning to "buy the Baltics" can be made. And the rest in the EU for cleaning Euro-toilet. I think that when Russia is "locked down" and / or the situation allows a similar option is possible.
  • parafoiler
    parafoiler 17 October 2015 09: 22 New
    +3
    They were, are and will forever remain the Baltic farms that received state status. And they will never become full-fledged countries. Kurats -Osols -Labuses ...
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  • Clutch
    Clutch 17 October 2015 09: 24 New
    +3
    It’s too early to say that. The Baltic states should ferment and independently (if it still has such an opportunity) decide in which way to follow it, let them try all the delights of the geyropa! Already hard, but nothing can be solved by force - we need a competent policy.
  • Dezinto
    Dezinto 17 October 2015 09: 27 New
    +6
    The Baltic states should relocate on their own (if it still has such an opportunity)


    That's it! - "if she still has such an opportunity"

    They now have a master - they lick him with joy. And they didn’t always love Russians .. - so now let them be only in the form of target designations - ... the villagers are ungrateful!

    1. Smit713
      Smit713 17 October 2015 13: 58 New
      0
      Shoigu controls the drone?
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 October 2015 09: 28 New
    +1
    Of course, the Baltic States will return to our country... And it will look like a picture of The Return of the Prodigal Son .. Rembrandt .. Shaved, like a convict, the head of the prodigal son and his tattered clothes indicate a fall. The collar keeps a hint of past luxury. Shoes are worn out, and the touching detail - one fell when the son knelt.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 17 October 2015 09: 35 New
    +6
    A dog that has bitten a breadwinner and escaped cannot be taken back.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 17 October 2015 09: 36 New
    14
    The oppression of the Russian-speaking population, the deployment of NATO military bases and, in fact, blood betrayal - this can not be forgiven.

    From time immemorial, the Baltic nations have been hostile to Russia, in their place they should be grateful to the Russian people for bringing them not washed Chukhons to people, well, that we have constantly biting their lactating hand for our neighbors, TV .... not grateful, we do not take revenge, but we remember.
    1. fomich1977
      fomich1977 18 October 2015 09: 30 New
      0
      In no case can you forgive. Nobody will respect us until we respect ourselves. Otherwise, they confuse and take kindness for weakness.