How alcohol beats the country

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I did not intend to write a big article. Not because the topic is not relevant, but just the opposite. Only the lazy did not speak about the problem of drunkenness and alcoholism. The media almost daily report victories over the Green Serpent. On new approaches and other nonsense.

How alcohol beats the country


In earnest, they are discussing the revival of the sobering-up stations. Serious people from different departments and public organizations argue about the benefits or harms of alcohol. Police generals, together with the police, talk about the need to fight. Doctors cite death figures. In short, the struggle in full.

I do not refuse a glass or another brandy in good company with a sinful affair. Yes, and stronger can use. But in the company and under a good snack. Therefore, not a supporter of prohibitions. Nonsense all this. When people are going to drink, have a snack, they can buy as much alcohol as they need. And then, in the course of the play, if possible, and run a couple of times.

The re-education of alcoholics looks even more stupid. Those who drink a lot, often do not really bother with the quality of the drink. It is suitable, for example, "hawthorn tincture". Cheap and angry. And tell them about the dangers of this tincture is about the same as hammering a concrete wall with your own forehead. The effect will be the same. Headache. And not for the educated, but for you.

The replica will be about something else. On the state approach to this issue.

I will not refer to statistics and other official. It's all right there. Just personal impressions of your own city. And the impressions, to put it bluntly, are not very.

More recently, we were outraged by the presence of many small markets and shops, where they sold not always high-quality products. How many materials were devoted to this. People are killed by expired products! Chinese goods give out for European brands! Buyers are cheated, hung, cheated.

And the authorities have heard! They listened for a long time, and ... it would be better to have remained deaf.

I don’t know how it is in other cities, but this is how it is with us. I specifically walked in my own neighborhood. And you know, mini-markets closed! But instead of them, the liquor stores and draft beer shops opened. I now have four Red and White stores, two Fragrant worlds, and three Grapes around a kilometer away. And this while preserving wine and vodka departments in "Magnets", "Victory", "Tapes" and other chain stores. And so this good in general is a dime a dozen.

But that's not all. There are also more beer shops. In some places, these pubs stand in 100-200 meters. And they trade perfectly for everyone. This is not vodka. This is a beer. The students are sitting, the Alconauts are sitting, the girls are young - and they are sitting with beer "one and a half". Yes, and stocks. Buy 2 liters and get a liter for free! Sellers hit the spot. In favor

There is a struggle, but there is an imitation of the struggle. And this imitation is much worse. It is better to do nothing than to educate liars. And on the example of the state. It is better not to fight than to fight, spreading poison almost all the way around the apartment.

Why is the extra ruble of taxes for local authorities more important than the lives of those who choose these authorities? Maybe because for the life of a person no one but the person himself is responsible? Doctors? They receive already "finished product". The fact that once was quite able-bodied person. Police? No dead body - no case. Governor or Mayor? We rule. And the solution of such issues is not our business.

So who is responsible for what young people drink? Who is responsible for the fact that in the pharmacies of these penny tinctures - the sea? Whose fault is that I constantly stumble upon beautiful shops with wine, vodka, beer? Cigarettes now buy "in the dark." No windows or price tags. Just the inscription: "There are cigarettes." Asked - tell and sell. But colorful bottles - see. They are harmless.

We can say that no one is forcing anyone. And it is. And to force anyone and not necessary. It is enough to create conditions when it is not necessary to bother yourself to realize the temptation. And then you can talk as much as you need about the "sobering up" of the nation, but the closest "beer house" is at the entrance.

Of course, this does not apply to people who have "settled down" and with a sober approach. But in order to "settle down", a person needs to live 30-40 for years, and live without burdening herself with a nipple attached to a beer bottle. Or even some temptation.
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  1. +32
    16 October 2015 05: 50
    Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.
    1. +65
      16 October 2015 05: 54
      Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because from "dullness" and hopelessness they get drunk and simply get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process itself and the consequences are different ...
      1. +27
        16 October 2015 06: 09
        Quote: Bosk
        Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because from "dullness" and hopelessness they get drunk and simply get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process itself and the consequences are different ...

        I agree with you. Does the author propose restricting the sale of alcohol? Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback? The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education, the ability to realize oneself, from social justice finally ...
        PS
        The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....
        1. +23
          16 October 2015 06: 19
          Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.
          Who does not agree, they can give their children water. Do not drink? That's it ..

          The trouble is, this is a gold mine for the traders. Hence the advertisements, images of "expensive" wines, "culture" of consumption, promotions "sucked one or two into a bonus."

          And "cultural consumers" are the most dangerous propagandists of drunkenness. Any drunk started with "cultural" ..
          1. +21
            16 October 2015 06: 34
            To be or not to be Olkash - everyone chooses for himself
            And the choice does not depend on the ban, agitation ... and other things
            Education, quality of life, and much more determines the choice
            1. BMW
              +39
              16 October 2015 07: 41
              Quote: Very old
              Education, quality of life, and much more determines the choice

              This is yes.
              Quote: Very old
              everyone chooses for themselves
              And the choice does not depend on the ban, agitation ... and other things

              Nonsense is complete. Very much depends.
              Diesel engineers slipped me on vacation masters, they used but not critically. One shot came in the morning from a deep budun, and from lunch it was a very complicated rigging, put a diesel engine in, every couple rue on the account, sent him to sleep, tracked. But at lunchtime he drove into the trash, I removed him. In the evening I designed the paper and OK. The next day, everything was carried to my mind, right down to the director. I got mine, they kicked him out with a bolt. After that, the diesel engines looked at me, but for three months that I was making them, no one drank, they didn’t even come from a hangover, though when the master came out, everything was back to square one. I met this shot six years later, thanked me, went to college, got married, although at first I wanted to beat my face.
              What I mean, punishment is a very significant incentive, and the whole trouble is from indifference and indifference. The expression that "everyone chooses his own path" is simply criminal. I say this on the basis of great experience, and the authorities also have to prove that you are not a ram and not a pest when you press drunk.
              So, this is our scourge and we must fight it in every way. Sincerely. hi
              1. +8
                16 October 2015 09: 47
                A similar case - no one came, just "in the trash"
                I say: write on your own.
                He: the chief, if you notice again, will put on the SKBU!
                And how it took off with his hand - it was a MAN!
              2. +3
                16 October 2015 10: 35
                Quote: bmw
                One shot came in the morning from a deep budun, and from lunch it was very difficult rigging, put a diesel engine in, each pair rue

                Big risk. If something happened at the workplace with this shot, the article would be given to the authorities.
                1. BMW
                  +2
                  16 October 2015 15: 19
                  Quote: brn521
                  Big risk. If something happened at the workplace with this shot, the article would be given to the authorities.

                  No bosses, yes, as a master, yes.
                  Suspended - well done, fired - bastard, throwing shots.
              3. 0
                17 October 2015 00: 04
                yes ... the obsolete word "whips" ...
                all right said!
          2. BMW
            +12
            16 October 2015 06: 45
            Quote: Lance
            Alcohol is poison and a drug.

            I absolutely agree. hi
            Quote: Lance
            And should be banned.

            In the long run, yes. But sharply forbid, is that a dead poultice. There will be underground moonshining. It is difficult to win by force, if only every morning everyone is forced to donate blood for analysis, and even then they get out, they switch to chemistry. An example of the fight against drugs, and ineffective. Here we need a subtle psychological approach and propaganda, and the result will only come in one or two generations. We need a systematic approach, without any wiggles and concessions. Plus, toughening penalties for an offense in a state of intoxication, and not mythical half a year by the deadline, but simply a real doubling or tripling from a possible maximum under the article and without the right to parole or amnesty. And now, aggravating does not work and is purely declarative.
            Quote: Lance
            And "cultural consumers" are the most dangerous propagandists of drunkenness. Any drunk started with "cultural" ..

            That's for sure, and such an approach is the root of evil and unacceptable. drinks Do not get it wrong. feel
          3. +25
            16 October 2015 06: 54
            Quote: Lance
            alcohol is a poison and a drug. And should be banned.
            Who does not agree, they can give their children water. Do not drink? That's it ..

            In small doses, any poison is a cure

            Quote: Lance
            The trouble is, this is a gold mine for the traders. Hence the advertisements, images of "expensive" wines, "culture" of consumption, promotions "sucked one or two into a bonus."

            Yes, there are no problems in alcohol.
            Neither in wine, nor in cognac, nor in vodka (maybe in beer, and probably because I don’t drink it laughing )
            Well, I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and have a drink.
            No need to be so categorical, my daughter is a vegetarian, she always proves to me the same thing that meat is poison.
            1. +19
              16 October 2015 07: 15
              Quote: atalef
              Well, I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and have a drink.

              The Indians of America did not see the same problems with fiery water, and where are they now?


              Fifth priority for common humanity controls - weapons of genocide
              "... our culture from childhood suggests that a person choose either lie number 1 - to use various dope in moderation, or lie number 2 - without measure ..." As the hunchback said - the main thing is to start and the process will go ...
              1. +1
                16 October 2015 07: 23
                Quote: Boris55
                The Indians of America did not see the same problems with alcohol, and where are they now?

                Well, the pig will always find dirt. I wonder why the whites did not drink too much, and the Indians, yes. Of course now you tell me TV about the predisposition and lack of an enzyme for the dissolution of alcohol, but if 300 years ago. The Indians did not know about it. then what the hell are they thumping on black now? Watched these descendants of Chingangchuk in Canada laughing
                1. +13
                  16 October 2015 07: 39
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, the pig will always find dirt.

                  Pigs are not born - they become pigs.
                  However, before the colonizers arrived, the Indians had never heard of such a potion ...


                  I do not mind the use of alcohol by your relatives. That's just do not touch our children.
                  1. +1
                    16 October 2015 07: 46
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well, the pig will always find dirt.

                    Pigs are not born - they become pigs.
                    However, before the colonizers arrived, the Indians had never heard of such a potion ...


                    I do not mind the use of alcohol by your relatives. That's just do not touch our children.

                    Yes, I don’t mind the same, look, like the alcohol is the same, but what are the different consequences
                    1. +5
                      16 October 2015 07: 55
                      Quote: atalef
                      like alcohol is the same, but what are the different consequences

                      The consequences are always the same - complete degradation of the individual.

                      1. +2
                        16 October 2015 08: 23
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: atalef
                        like alcohol is the same, but what are the different consequences

                        The consequences are always the same - complete degradation of the individual.


                        Fundamentally disagree.
                      2. +3
                        16 October 2015 09: 01
                        Quote: atalef
                        Fundamentally disagree.

                        So that in your house from the tap without drying out instead of water, pure alcohol flows! hi
                      3. +1
                        16 October 2015 10: 02
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: atalef
                        Fundamentally disagree.

                        So that in your house from the tap without drying out instead of water, pure alcohol flows! hi

                        thanks of course, why?
                        I have a pretty decent bar and there is no lack of good alcohol
                        Of course, the exotic in the form of alcohol from all the taps in the house is interesting, but I would rather use the Korvoisier and from only one.
                      4. +10
                        16 October 2015 10: 15
                        In the 80s they drank several times more than now and drank harder, to death. Neither a small number of outlets, nor the lack of advertising and colorful labels, nor the state saved. monopoly, neither the abundance of detoxification, nor the Gorbachev decree. So the author did not convince me absolutely. He mixed up cause and effect. And the bottom line is that the main reason for reducing alcohol consumption in the affordability of a personal car is for everyone that was not there before. Plus, many young people went into virtual reality, and not into alcohol. Since people began to drink less, the merchants, in order not to go broke, had to move the loaves, advertise goods, improve accessibility, any discounts on the promotion, and so on. It was the decline in demand, especially for strong alcohol, and not the disinterested desire to drink their own population that led to the described changes.
                      5. +8
                        16 October 2015 10: 37
                        Quote: Mahmut
                        In the 80s they drank several times more,

                        In the 90s, when, after the Prohibition, alcohol began to be imported into the country at a price lower than the cost price. Remember "Royal"? From my point of view, the people were deliberately "pulled" by dry law, and then they were released like a stretched elastic band, filled with almost free alcohol. Well thought out and planned sabotage.
                      6. +10
                        16 October 2015 12: 46
                        Quote: Mahmut
                        In the 80's, they drank several times more than now and drank harder, to death.


                        What was it ..?? Who are you ... ..nu .. Said ?? !!! The 90s, that was a horrific alcoholic nightmare - they got drunk, poisoned themselves, died in drunkenness, killed in a drunken stupor - all this happened thanks to the liberalization of laws regarding the production and sale of alcohol! Bdya, "the triumphant tread of democracy"! What, not a single b .. grandmother knew where this would lead ?? !! They knew everything perfectly and that was exactly what they were counting on. Firstly, one of the ways to "accumulate initial capital", and secondly, to "distract" a large part of the population from "urgent problems." Like "privatization" and much more, everything was calculated to a certain extent, it is enough, and there was always enough competent analysts who are able to predict the consequences. But please don't talk about "conspiracy theory", it's funny. And about the "nightmarish drunkenness of the 80s" should not be flooded with those who can compare what was then and what has resulted now. 80s - "children's matinee" in comparison with the ugly "binge" of the 90s. And at the moment, the country, at best, is experiencing a severe hangover, I would like to know whether it will be possible to get out of it or not. Unfortunately, the authorities have not yet seen any real attempts to do something for this.
                      7. +4
                        16 October 2015 21: 03
                        I agree. I remember when leaving home in 1984 I always watched a couple - three alcoholics, resting in the snowdrifts. And general employment did not interfere with alcoholization. Get drunk at work. Before entering the institute, I worked at a meat factory. A sober locksmith could be seen only in the early morning. In those days, in general, a bottle was considered a measure of labor assessment during off-hours.
                      8. 0
                        16 October 2015 14: 30
                        for a chemist it's just a holiday!
                      9. +2
                        16 October 2015 16: 14
                        Fear God. After all, he will die of thirst. It is not for nothing that they say: "No matter how you drink, you will all have a hangover with water."
                2. +2
                  16 October 2015 15: 58
                  Do they know now? Once I read the "decoding" of the biochemistry of ethyl alcohol consumption by different nations: in the human body, ethyl alcohol is first oxidized by one enzyme to acetaldehyde. Therefore, often the representatives of the Mongoloid race easily and quickly turn red after drinking alcohol, and the intoxication itself sometimes introduces an element of discomfort. Further, further oxidation of the aldehyde occurs - ultimately to carbon dioxide and water. This is another enzyme involved. For Europeans, it works better than the first, so they have alcohol in their blood longer, but there is no hangover syndrome. But among the Slavs, BOTH enzymes work to the maximum, so they can drink more and do not get poisoned.
                  1. +2
                    16 October 2015 21: 30
                    I do not know about the simultaneous operation of both enzymes, but under the high tolerance of Western peoples to alcohol there is a very substantial basis. The fact is that in the Middle Ages the soil was fertilized exclusively with shit, including and human, so drinking water, where all this fertilizer flowed down, was a deadly occupation. In the West, this problem was solved by the use of beer, and for the upper classes - wine. We went the other way, invented kvass. There is almost no alcohol in it, and therefore there has not been a historical habit of drinking alcohol. And when they immediately faced the whole arsenal of alcohol products, they were genetically not ready for this.
              2. +4
                16 October 2015 10: 30
                Quote: Boris55
                The Indians of America did not see the same problems with fiery water, and where are they now?

                Indians, like our northern peoples, have no immunity to alcohol, which is why they get drunk so quickly. Genetic feature. hi
            2. +8
              16 October 2015 08: 05
              Quote: atalef
              In small doses, any poison is a cure

              Take feces in homoeopathic doses ... you may not be repeating stupid things.
              1. +13
                16 October 2015 08: 12
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Quote: atalef
                In small doses, any poison is a cure

                Take feces in homoeopathic doses ... you may not be repeating stupid things.

                say no healthy people, there are unexplored hi
                1. -2
                  16 October 2015 08: 17
                  Quote: atalef
                  say no healthy people, there are unexplored hi

                  You repeated another stupid thing. wink

                  So what about feces in small doses? wassat
                  1. -1
                    16 October 2015 08: 24
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Quote: atalef
                    say no healthy people, there are unexplored hi

                    You repeated another stupid thing. wink

                    So what about feces in small doses? wassat

                    Another nonsense and verbiage hi
                    1. BMW
                      +5
                      16 October 2015 08: 33
                      Quote: atalef
                      Another nonsense and verbiage

                      Such a competent person, whose comments I always read with pleasure hi , and the first time you can’t answer (without banter, this is a rebuke). crying
                      1. +2
                        16 October 2015 10: 07
                        Quote: bmw
                        Quote: atalef
                        Another nonsense and verbiage

                        Such a competent person, whose comments I always read with pleasure hi , and the first time you can’t answer (without banter, this is a rebuke). crying

                        Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease
                      2. BMW
                        +4
                        16 October 2015 13: 30
                        Quote: atalef
                        Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease

                        Cognac, forgot to recover, sir? wassat
                      3. +3
                        16 October 2015 13: 38
                        Quote: bmw
                        Quote: atalef
                        Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease

                        Cognac, forgot to recover, sir? wassat

                        Since morning ? belay
                        for cognac there is a Friday (evening), rarely Saturday (Sunday we have a working day).
                        Everything should be high. Good company, snack, without this, what's the point?
                      4. BMW
                        +2
                        16 October 2015 14: 07
                        Quote: atalef
                        Since morning ?

                        So after all
                        Quote: atalef
                        there was an accident

                        и
                        Quote: atalef
                        lose ..... lightness

                        so it should help, or no crying taboo? After all, there is a good company, and with your wealth, snack is not a problem. Or everything is strict and only:
                        Quote: atalef
                        friday (evening), rarely saturday

                        Then Romanov seduces you, oh he am
                      5. +4
                        16 October 2015 17: 19
                        Quote: bmw
                        Then Romanov seduces you, oh he am

                        Whoever seduces, the result is one.

                      6. +6
                        16 October 2015 14: 48
                        atalef
                        In small doses, any poison is a cure

                        Start with small doses of heroin.
                        And splash your little ones fifty dollars.
                        So as not to breed.

                        In general, Hitler "prescribed" tobacco and alcohol to destroy the nation, so the Jesuit position of the Jewish "partners" is clear to me ...
                      7. +1
                        16 October 2015 15: 25
                        Quote: Lance
                        Start with small doses of heroin.

                        Kill the beaver - save the tree.
                        don't go to extremes.

                        Quote: Lance
                        And splash your little ones fifty dollars.

                        My son tried alcohol for the first time at the age of 18. At home, I poured him and it was Courvoisier.
                        Better at home and the right things than in the gateway.
                        Quote: Lance
                        In general, Hitler "prescribed" tobacco and alcohol to destroy the nation, so the Jesuit position of the Jewish "partners" is clear to me ...

                        Jews have drunk Russia. Nothing else can be heard from you.
                        So that would not doubt, pissed porches - this is the same our work.
                      8. +8
                        16 October 2015 17: 17
                        I will not say for all Jews, but I see how one here advocates alcoholism.

                        Why didn’t the son pour in 8 years or months? BUT?!

                        A person using drugs is a drug addict, an alcoholic addict. "Cultural" there, "moderate", "courvoisier" is not the essence. The same addict.

                        It is necessary to call such things by their proper names. And "semitones" are from the evil one ..
                      9. +3
                        16 October 2015 17: 27
                        Quote: atalef
                        Better at home and the right things than in the gateway.

                        Better nowhere and nothing.

                      10. +1
                        16 October 2015 17: 12
                        Quote: atalef
                        Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease

                        But is it the consequences of consumption? laughing

                    2. +8
                      16 October 2015 08: 53
                      Quote: atalef
                      Another nonsense and verbiage hi

                      QUALITY poison differs from Poor quality in that it kills faster. hi
                  2. 0
                    16 October 2015 09: 25
                    Have you tried it?
                    And what are the sensations?
                    Share your impressions
                    1. +2
                      16 October 2015 09: 27
                      Quote: Very old
                      Have you tried it?
                      And what are the sensations?
                      Share your impressions

                      You ask that what speaks about drug poisoning. laughing
                      1. +3
                        16 October 2015 15: 05
                        By the way, about feces.
                        Alcohol is poop bacteria. They spoil with alcohols, devouring sugar.

                        So have a nice courvosier!
                        laughing
                      2. -2
                        16 October 2015 15: 26
                        Quote: Lance
                        By the way, about feces. Alcohol is poop bacteria. They spoil with alcohols, devouring sugar. So enjoy the curvosier!

                        A head is needed to eat there hi
                      3. +1
                        16 October 2015 17: 39
                        That's it.
                        And you pour poison there.
                        And also advise others ... fool
              2. +3
                16 October 2015 10: 51
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Take feces in homoeopathic doses.

                Is feces poison? Bees (propolis) ONLY a cure. But if the conversation turned to alcohol, then I still agree with Atalef - in moderate doses, only benefit.
                It is necessary to tighten alcohol consumption by young people, finally forcing sellers to comply with the ban on the sale of alcohol to minors, and limit the sale of fanfuriks. And then they sell at every kiosk. This is from the prohibitions. And globally, it is necessary to improve the standard of living, as many plump from social disorder.
                To myself - I love alcohol, and I understand it. I drink regularly, a little, and only for food. Dumplings without 100 grams - not dumplings, like a generally good table without alcohol. You need to know the measure, and there will be a medicine and not poison. hi
                1. +2
                  16 October 2015 10: 54
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  ro myself - I love alcohol, and I understand it. I drink regularly, a little, and only for food. Dumplings without 100 grams - not dumplings, like a generally good table without alcohol. You need to know the measure, and there will be a medicine and not poison.

                  like hi drinks
                2. +2
                  16 October 2015 12: 51
                  Immediately, I observe a decrease in alcohol consumption. According to the crones, which only the grave will deliver, and then the people have become less tolerant of them, well, these all will die someday. Two acts of sabotage carried out against the population mark everything - the first thoughtless ban of Gorbachev, - the second permissiveness of Yeltsin. At least as a result, you can draw some conclusions. It is impossible to make progress with total bans, but reasonable restrictions are simply necessary, from this point of view, closing the sharashka is a positive action, large retail, it is much easier to control, well, here you have cards in your hands, restrictive measures must be in place, not to sell to teenagers even at late hours of the day Something already depends on us, don't buy it for youngsters, make a comment, if it's already time, and the special department is not closed. And about these beer-drinking establishments, I am also outraged to the extreme, I remember that such outrages were forbidden in residential buildings, there is a question of generosity " the beer lobby "and the greed of local officials, and the tenants of the house in which the viper is located can expel him.
                  I do not attribute myself to militant teetotalers, but I definitely will not die from alcohol and the diseases accompanying it.
                3. +2
                  16 October 2015 18: 10
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Is feces poison?

                  Moreover, I am sure of that. laughing

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Bees (Propolis)

                  Who told you that propolis is feces ??? laughing laughing laughing
                  Propolis is an adhesive made up of resinous substances collected by bees from plants. Yes

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  in moderate doses, only benefit.

                  What is the measure in grams per kilogram of body weight? request

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Need to tighten

                  Prohibition, this is our everything! wink

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  To myself - I love alcohol, and I understand it

                  Could not say, this is already clear from the previous words. lol

                  You are addicted, uncle.

            3. +1
              16 October 2015 09: 19
              Choght, just living is already harmful - there are so many pitfalls ...
              But we live and will live!
              1. +2
                16 October 2015 10: 10
                Quote: Old very
                Choght, just living is already harmful - there are so many pitfalls ...
                But we live and will live!

                It’s harmful to live a priori, because they die from it wassat
            4. +4
              16 October 2015 10: 08
              Quote: atalef
              I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and have a drink.

              Does apple cake for tea with honey no longer impress?
              I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and not drink. Rather, drink the same Ivan-tea with a honey. Yes, eat the same stuffed cabbage, the same pilaf in the company.
            5. 0
              16 October 2015 15: 44
              "Alcohol in small doses is healthy in unlimited quantities."
              1. +2
                16 October 2015 19: 29
                Quote: satris
                "Alcohol in small doses is healthy in unlimited quantities."

                Actually, here ...

          4. +5
            16 October 2015 07: 57
            Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.

            It is also necessary to ban any tobacco, use of the Internet. Coffee must also be banned. Caffeine is a terrible poison and drug that puts mortality from diseases of the circulatory system in the first place.
            And of course, bread should be banned. Did everyone forget the study, according to the results of which it was found out that 100% of people who tried bread - died!
            1. +2
              16 October 2015 09: 34
              И что же?
              From this minute - I can’t breathe
              All breathing - dead
              1. +2
                16 October 2015 10: 47
                Quote: Very old
                All breathing - dead


                No, a little bit wrong ... All now breathing and living are the future dead ... So now, do not live ???
              2. +1
                16 October 2015 10: 47
                Quote: Very old
                So what? From now on - I can’t breathe, All breathing - deceased

                Late. Even at birth it was necessary to think about it. And now the body is hooked tight.
            2. +1
              16 October 2015 10: 45
              Quote: razgildyay
              Caffeine is a terrible poison and drug



              I forgot tea ... Tannin even surpasses caffeine in some ways ...

              In general, guys, you do not need to bring this polemic to madness and go to extremes ...

              PS By the way, there, at the top, I did not get in, but I would like to ask Vsedofeni, who interrogated Atalef with poop-feces: And what, feces refer to poison in at least one dictionary or reference book ??? This question is just out of curiosity ...
              1. 0
                17 October 2015 06: 49
                Quote: veksha50
                In general, guys, you do not need to bring this polemic to madness and go to extremes ...

                I agree. Introduce prohibition and close the problem once and for all.
              2. 0
                17 October 2015 07: 07
                Quote: veksha50
                And what, feces belong to poison in at least one dictionary or reference book ??? This question is just out of curiosity ...

                Not only is ethanol poisonous to you?
                Or should it be proved by sophisticated methods that the use of poisons is unacceptable and why exactly?

                The problem of people is that they (we) drag everything that is not pinned into their mouths, living on the principle that everything is useful, that it gets into the mouth. This is sorrow from the mind.
            3. 0
              16 October 2015 12: 01
              '' It is also necessary to ban any tobacco, use of the Internet. Coffee should also be banned. Caffeine is a terrible poison and drug that brings mortality from diseases of the circulatory system to the first place.
              And of course bread must be banned. Has everyone forgotten the study, according to the results of which it was found that 100% of people who tried bread died! '' And also forbid breathing, because there is no normal air in cities. We breathe some nasty stuff.
              1. 0
                16 October 2015 15: 13
                Still slipped ???? The party said-the people answered-IS. Good luck.
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          5. +2
            16 October 2015 09: 01
            We have illegal drugs. Are there fewer drug addicts? On the contrary, we observe their growth. You said correctly ziqzaq, you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall.
            1. +2
              16 October 2015 09: 13
              Quote: stas52
              you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall

              Define a standard of living to speak clearly.
              1. +7
                16 October 2015 09: 33
                For children and youth, the revival of the houses of pioneers, with free sections and circles, may be called differently, but you understood the essence. For adults, ideally, you need a well-paid favorite work (almost impossible), confidence in the future, free gyms and sections (modern fitness centers, not everyone will pull), etc.
                Well, as well as promoting healthy lifestyle, just not like that: Don’t drink, don’t smoke and you will be healthy. Need to offer something in return for such a free time. But on TV now we have only: Smoking is not cool, drinking is bad. Yes, people themselves understand what is bad. What in return?
                1. +1
                  16 October 2015 16: 44
                  Ok, I realized the standard of living. this is a freebie with high income. So?
                2. 0
                  17 October 2015 08: 55
                  Quote: stas52
                  Smoking is not cool, drinking is bad. Yes, people themselves understand what is bad. What in return?

                  Judging by the question, "What is in return?", They do not understand.
                  If you do not understand how a sober and healthy life differs from a drunk and unhealthy one, I think that any arguments will be incomprehensible to you. fool
              2. +1
                16 October 2015 10: 13
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Quote: stas52
                you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall

                Define a standard of living to speak clearly.

                This is when everyone gives a damn about the price of alcohol or not. wassat
                1. 0
                  17 October 2015 17: 22
                  Quote: atalef
                  This is when everyone gives a damn about whether the price of alcohol increased or not wassat

                  I won’t tell you about all of them, but I don’t give a damn about the price of your alcohol.
            2. +4
              16 October 2015 10: 48
              Quote: stas52
              Correctly said ziqzaq, you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall.



              And what, in Holland the standard of living of the population is even lower than ours ???

              PS Yes, and a number of Western countries, too ...
              1. 0
                17 October 2015 17: 20
                Quote: veksha50
                And what, in Holland the standard of living of the population is even lower than ours ???

                PS Yes, and a number of Western countries, too ...

                Are you asking about the standard of living or about the level of consumption?
          6. +3
            16 October 2015 13: 38
            any drunk started from school. cultural consumption is when you drink a glass of good wine in a pleasant company, and not a way to promote and further involve someone else in alcoholism. so it turns out that the alternative is either drunkenness or cultural consumption. people, with the exception of sobriety fanatics, simply don’t drink, a person lives in a society where drinking is the norm. Moreover, in all cultures where even religious prohibitions do not apply. the main thing: wine is a food product, therefore, as with other products you need to know the measure. but vodka and another company from this series is an absolute evil, purely for dope.
          7. +1
            16 October 2015 15: 39
            Ethyl alcohol is produced in the human body (during physical exertion) and is very useful for the normal functioning of the body. However, starting from a certain age, the amount of alcohol produced by the human body itself inevitably decreases. Therefore, to compensate for age-related losses, alcohol consumption - after 40-50 years - is a factor that normalizes the vital abilities of an individual. Because ... no need to cut everyone with the same brush. At 19-20 it is better not to drink, and after 50-60 it is impossible not to drink. My uncle still lives in Odessa, he is 93 years old. And at 60 he regularly at 50 grams. vodka in the morning, lunchtime and evening. Now, however, less, only for lunch and only wine, but 100-150 gr. - also, probably, the biochemistry of the organism has changed. So you don't have to prohibit anything, even if you are an abstinent. There are, for example, vegetarians, so they would also like to ban the consumption of meat. Do you agree with them? Me not. And I think many will support me. We had a peasant in the village, so he put it this way: "I don't care devil, anyway meat!"
          8. +1
            16 October 2015 19: 36
            Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.
            Fair. But. It’s also a business, very profitable, unfortunately sad And we still have to pay the dogo with our lives, brains, money and the health of future generations sad
          9. +1
            16 October 2015 22: 13
            Quote: Lance
            Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.
            Who does not agree, they can give their children water. Do not drink? That's it ..

            In any living organism, the so-called endogenous alcohol or alcohol (ethyl) is produced.
            There are two types of endogenous alcohol:
            1. Ethanol, which is produced in minimal amounts in the body as a result of cell metabolism. Its quantity is negligible, but plays a huge role in the metabolic process of cells, in particular, in oxygen metabolism.
            2. Endogenous alcohol physiological. It is formed as a result of fermentation of carbohydrates in the gastrointestinal tract. This is the second form of ethanol, it is processed in the liver and is characterized by a large number. Since it is produced by fermentation of products obtained from the outside, and not produced directly in the cells, such alcohol is considered conditionally endogenous.
            Natural alcohol is involved in the regulation of cell membrane permeability, in the metabolism of dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, and the synthesis of endorphins (morphine-like substances). It should be noted that the frequent and excessive use of alcoholic beverages stops the natural production of these hormones that are important for humans, hence metabolic disorders in alcoholism and post-alcohol depressive states.
            Ethyl alcohol, as a source of energy, is involved in the adaptive processes of the body, softens stress reactions and helps withstand shocks. In other words, natural ethyl alcohol is active precisely in those situations when it is “customary” to drink to calm the nervous system. Natural alcohol is usually quite sufficient to control the situation. An additional method accelerates the reaction, has a sedative effect, but reduces the body's natural stress resistance.
            Eating foods high in carbohydrates provokes an increase in the natural production of ethyl alcohol.
            Diseases such as diabetes mellitus, certain types of chronic diseases of the liver and kidneys, nervous system, chronic obstructive bronchitis also increase blood alcohol levels.
            Prolonged hypoxia, lack of oxygen also leads to serious increases in alcohol content (equivalent to taking 100-200 g of vodka).
            Hypothermia, stressful situation, physical activity, physical pain, shock conditions, all this causes a strong consumption of ethanol and leads to a decrease in its level in the blood.
            PS: I myself sometimes use small doses
            "Only the one who drinks vitamins will live to the death" (C)
            Opinion of Dr. Biol. Sciences, prof. Saveliev S. In:
        2. +15
          16 October 2015 06: 39
          Quote: ziqzaq
          The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education,

          sad But I live right among the three universities. Within a kilometer radius. And students drink oh how .. We never dreamed of this ... Maybe education has nothing to do with it?
          1. +2
            16 October 2015 06: 43
            Quote: domokl
            . And students drink oh how ..

            come on! students drink ??? pour more! This can not be! laughing
            1. +3
              16 October 2015 06: 54
              soldier Andrey, do not undermine my authority laughing And then you have to spite the article of a horse with a yak to pour from the morning laughing
            2. +4
              16 October 2015 08: 09
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              This can not be!
              I confirm Yes. We, physics students, avoided all liquor stores in the 80s. Yes We haven’t even heard about alcohol request ! Only study and self-study 24 hours a day. soldier
              Hello wimp! drinks
              1. +1
                16 October 2015 08: 56
                Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                wimp!

                Choi then ??? belay what
              2. +2
                16 October 2015 09: 01
                Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                Only study and self-study 24 hours a day. soldier

                The slide rule helps you.
                1. +3
                  16 October 2015 09: 02
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  The slide rule helps you.

                  what for ruler at night? what
                  1. +2
                    16 October 2015 09: 26
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    what for ruler at night? what

                    Always count, count everywhere, count and no nails, or maybe count nails ... laughing
                  2. +3
                    16 October 2015 10: 15
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    The slide rule helps you.

                    what for ruler at night? what

                    What do you mean why? and how to measure pussy?
                    Hi Andrew!
                    1. BMW
                      +1
                      16 October 2015 14: 24
                      Quote: atalef
                      But how do we pee?

                      Yes you are a maniac !!! am Then it’s clear why they brought c-cc as an argument. lol
                      1. 0
                        16 October 2015 20: 24
                        Well, if the term is an integral, then yes, only a logarithmic will help laughing

                        And why is the word "sex" prohibited from being used on the site? There is no need to be shy like what is measured in the cold)) It is necessary to use and apply))
              3. +1
                16 October 2015 09: 50
                And preference to the third cocks dry Op-plya!
                1. +2
                  16 October 2015 10: 52
                  Quote: Very old
                  And preference to the third cocks dry Op-plya!



                  What kind of monsters gathered ...

                  PS We are in the 70s, humanly, for the 9th, 10th and for the minuscule, and no more than a basin ... Is it really a booze ???
            3. +3
              16 October 2015 09: 37
              I finished two. On occasion, I’ll tell you how they didn’t drink, their faces turned away
          2. +5
            16 October 2015 08: 18
            Quote: domokl
            Maybe education has nothing to do with it?

            Could it be the example set by the older generation and youth series?
          3. +1
            16 October 2015 09: 06
            Just as there is no god in the temple, so there is no education in our universities!
        3. +8
          16 October 2015 07: 48
          Quote: ziqzaq
          The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ..

          Alcohol is the same drug as a culture of consumption can be. The problem is not heroin but the culture of consumption laughing Grass is not a drug laughing all addictive drug.
          1. +4
            16 October 2015 08: 19
            Quote: Kazakh
            Quote: ziqzaq
            The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ..

            Alcohol is the same drug as a culture of consumption can be. The problem is not heroin but the culture of consumption laughing Grass is not a drug laughing all addictive drug.

            Through the glass, the bottles do not see this.
        4. +4
          16 October 2015 09: 13

          Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.


          We must not fight alcoholism but create alternatives.
          In Moscow, a huge selection of leisure activities, a person can do almost anything, but in the outback? except how to drink and do nothing ... They drink not out of despair, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.
          1. +2
            16 October 2015 09: 15
            Quote: ronin201
            except how to drink and do nothing ... They drink not out of despair, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.

            Do you think that a REASONABLE person is not able to find an occupation WITHOUT external influence? Why think so badly about people?
            1. +5
              16 October 2015 09: 29
              Is there a person who is rational active is passive, active is doing something passive is waiting for something to be done for him ... and the proportion of active 20% passive 80% on the principle of parretto
              1. BMW
                +2
                16 October 2015 09: 50
                Quote: ronin201
                Is there a person who is rational active is passive, active is doing something passive is waiting for something to be done for him ... and the proportion of active 20% passive 80% on the principle of parretto

                Here it is the essence of capitalism - Amerikos tells you about the principle embodied in our country by Chubais and which continues to be implemented now: THOSE WHO DO NOT APPLY TO THE SYSTEM SHOULD KEEP.
                1. 0
                  16 October 2015 09: 53
                  should I make a person not to drink? this is violence ... your suggestions to combat drunkenness, I proposed to diversify leisure ...
                  1. BMW
                    +1
                    16 October 2015 14: 38
                    Quote: ronin201
                    your suggestions to combat drunkenness,

                    Do not remain indifferent
              2. 0
                16 October 2015 09: 57
                Quote: ronin201
                the passive is waiting for something to be done for him ...

                Does this seem reasonable to you? Wait for someone to eat for you, drink, comfort your woman, raise children ...
                1. +2
                  16 October 2015 10: 05
                  some live on the neck of the state ... aren't they? Give them education, treat them, give them benefits, give them work, and the state gives them everything in their opinion. They even guessed that children should do more to get the capital ...
          2. 0
            16 October 2015 11: 17
            Quote: ronin201
            They do not drink because of hopelessness, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.

            In the army of affairs in bulk. Spit on them and still drink.
            1. +2
              16 October 2015 11: 28
              Quote: brn521
              Quote: ronin201
              They do not drink because of hopelessness, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.

              In the army of affairs in bulk. Spit on them and still drink.

              well yes as an example
              Comrade Warrant Officer, to issue scrap and shovels along with the territory for cleaning up. Voice out of order - maybe even brooms today? Set aside conversations! I don’t need you to work, I need you to ...... (tired)
        5. 0
          16 October 2015 09: 18
          Therefore, he is not a supporter of prohibitions. Nonsense is all that.
          Quote: ziqzaq
          I agree with you. Does the author propose restricting the sale of alcohol? Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback? The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education, the ability to realize oneself, from social justice at last ... PS The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

          So in a hurry with a comment?
        6. +2
          16 October 2015 12: 18
          Quote: ziqzaq
          The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

          ... and there was a "culture of consumption" - in the 70s they organized "wine bars", pubs, alcohol bars ... and so on! "Cultural drinking" does not help when the main task is to "suck the glass"! and after the first glass they don't even remember about "culture" ...
        7. 0
          16 October 2015 21: 41
          Until our magical state decides the notorious housing problem all in vain ...
          Each person with his cockroaches, and if there are different generations under the same roof, either bye-bye family or hello glass!
        8. 0
          16 October 2015 22: 45
          Quote: ziqzaq
          Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback?

          Remember. And we also remember the record birth rate.
      2. +8
        16 October 2015 06: 17
        Quote: Bosk
        First, you need to improve the quality of life

        The quality of life? In what sense, increase income, so it can only lead to an increase in fluid intake, in the sense of fire water. Perhaps the key is the problem in the very culture of society, a categorical ban on advertising the consumption of alcohol, including in everyday communication, that is, to make it just indecent!
        1. +9
          16 October 2015 06: 20
          Quote: venaya
          In what sense, increase income, so this can only lead to an increase in fluid intake

          What kind of blizzard is it, have you drunk a lot of neighbors?
          I have one for the whole house, but he runs all his life from everyday life.
          1. +5
            16 October 2015 06: 44
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I have one for the whole house

            but I don’t have at all ... requesteven in a large garage cooperative, and then one, a professional alcoholic.
            1. +2
              16 October 2015 08: 22
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              even in a large garage cooperative, and then one, a professional alcoholic.

              But lovers of a wagon and a small trolley. laughing
              There are few professionals, some lovers around. Yes
              1. +2
                16 October 2015 08: 53
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Few professionals, some lovers around

                my friend calls me "dilettante"! am
            2. +5
              16 October 2015 09: 10
              What are these garages after that ?! This is a library! laughing
          2. +6
            16 October 2015 06: 48
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Do you have a lot of drunk neighbors?

            Few remained, the rest went into another world.
          3. BMW
            +4
            16 October 2015 07: 20
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Do you have a lot of drunk neighbors?

            There are two in my entrance. While there is money to drink, ended up not drinking. When sober, very decent people. In the neighboring entrances, too, there are such.
      3. +16
        16 October 2015 06: 49
        Quote: Bosk
        Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic beverages

        In general, the choice in Russia (for alcohol) is colossal and quite high quality, and what to buy is everyone’s choice. For whom to drink is a good time and have fun in the company - he will not shorten his life as surrogates.
        Quote: Bosk
        Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because from "dullness" and hopelessness they drink themselves too much and from joy they just get drunk,

        100%.
        If a person does not see prospects in life, he finds them in alcohol

        Quote: ziqzaq
        The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

        I don’t think that the reason is in the culture of consumption, and what do you mean by that? Raise the glass with a protruding little finger or not?
        In my understanding - to drink in good company, but with a good snack - this is wonderful.
        Just alcohol should not become a goal, a person should have goals
        family, children, self-education --- alcohol definitely does not fit into this line.
        1. +2
          16 October 2015 07: 18
          atalef-ok Sasha said! Yes hi
        2. +2
          16 October 2015 09: 13
          Quote: atalef
          ... If a person does not see prospects in life, he finds them in alcohol
          ... a person must have goals
          family, children, self-education ...


          To the marble!
          1. +1
            16 October 2015 09: 18
            Quote: Reduktor
            To the marble!

            Crystalline rocks such as granites and other diorites are much stronger than metamorphic rocks. To granite!
          2. +5
            16 October 2015 09: 42
            In pursuit!
            You will not believe! But this is work!
            You won’t believe it again! But this is vodka!
            You won’t believe it again! But I did not drink too much!)))
            1. +1
              16 October 2015 11: 16
              Quote: Reduktor
              You won’t believe it again! But this is vodka!



              In a bucket or something ??? So exhale, open ... Cover from above urgently !!! Do not translate good into feces ...
              1. +2
                16 October 2015 11: 18
                Quote: veksha50
                !!! Do not translate good into feces

                And feces, as Everything to Feni says, is poison. wassat
              2. +1
                16 October 2015 12: 55
                from a bucket tastier!
            2. +1
              16 October 2015 15: 02
              it was necessary to add calcined copper sulphate and make alcohol anhydrous.
          3. +1
            16 October 2015 11: 14
            Quote: Reduktor
            To the marble!



            Marble is something non-living ...
            It is much better to constantly and dynamically implement in life ...
        3. +3
          16 October 2015 11: 24
          Quote: atalef
          If a person does not see prospects in life, he finds them in alcohol

          Just the prospect can be many and different. This does not hurt. One familiar character has a wife, child, and a well-paid job. But drank too much.
          1. +1
            16 October 2015 11: 29
            Quote: brn521
            One familiar character has a wife, child, and a well-paid job. But drank too much.

            They don’t get drunk just like that (I certainly don’t exclude some individuals with a genetic predisposition), but in general - just like that - no.
        4. +2
          16 October 2015 11: 39
          Quote: atalef
          A person’s goals should be family, children, self-education --- alcohol does not exactly fit into this line.

          These goals cannot replace alcohol. Well, in fact, a person does not need family, children, education and even welfare. He may be smart and talented, but that won't change anything. This is different. He achieved something and realized in his heart that in fact he didn't need all this. And "rational" arguments will do nothing here. And alcohol really helps him at first. He drinks a little and the strength appears to continue to play his social role. But this does not solve the problem and something there, in the soul, continues to warp, break down and hurt.
          However, not only we have a problem. In the USA, for example, a lot of people are sitting in chemistry. Tranquilizers, antidepressants and more.
          1. BMW
            +1
            16 October 2015 14: 45
            Quote: brn521
            In the USA, for example, a lot of people are sitting in chemistry. Tranquilizers, antidepressants and more.

            These are the local psychos make money. They are imprisoned forcibly. Business and nothing more. Watch the American film "Psychiatry is an industry of death." This is also starting to gain momentum here.
      4. +5
        16 October 2015 09: 18
        Quote: Bosk
        Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because from "dullness" and hopelessness they get drunk and simply get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process itself and the consequences are different ...

        Drunkenness is justified by the "bad life" mainly by those who are not capable of a "good life" and who in their troubles sees only someone else's fault. In a sober mind, everyone understands that drunkenness cannot improve life. Maybe, of course, there is such an incurable disease - alcoholism, but I think that the bulk of the population is drinking not from a painful need, but from weak will and licentiousness. We must return to the practice of LTP and detoxification centers with tudotherapy. If you cannot control yourself - cut the clearing under the "Power of Siberia". Liberalism is as good as vodka in moderate doses. A true patriot of his homeland cannot be an alcoholic
        1. 0
          16 October 2015 23: 02
          A true patriot of his homeland cannot be a drunk

          And vice versa.
          Spiritual life and .. nothing to respect yourself. When drunk, he seems to himself smarter, stronger and more beautiful. Life for such people is a boring repetition of the same thing. Lack of demand ..
      5. +4
        16 October 2015 09: 22
        No need to swap cause and effect. Grayness and hopelessness occur among those who drink, and not vice versa.
        So you can agree to the point that they beat for self-affirmation (which is useful), steal and rob from a lack of money (the state is to blame!), And kill from a bad mood (where does the Ministry of Culture look?)
      6. +1
        16 October 2015 10: 32
        Quote: Bosk
        Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because from "dullness" and hopelessness they drink themselves too much and from joy they just get drunk,

        another dangerous myth "dullness" and "hopelessness" to this in any way
      7. +7
        16 October 2015 11: 29
        The best way to combat excessive alcoholization is to increase employment. Jobs and decent salary. Many drink simply from idleness.
        But for this, gentlemen, lawmakers need to deal with their direct duties, and not cheap PR.
        He said something about the fight against alcohol - immediately famous. What are the latest initiatives in St. Petersburg and Moscow about the ban on the sale of alcoholic beverages? In St. Petersburg - on Wednesday, in Moscow - on Friday. The easiest way.
        And if you recall the initiatives of these same gentlemen in other areas, it immediately becomes clear who you are dealing with. Only according to Peter - attempts to legislatively limit the height of women's heels, attempts to oblige residents to wear reflective signs at night (look especially good on women's fur coats!), Noise restriction at night not by dB, but by the type of noise - snoring is prohibited, exclamations with sex and stomping cats!
        These are not jokes, these are sad realities ...
      8. +1
        16 October 2015 22: 26
        First, you need to improve the quality of life


        What are you saying! That is, alcoholics need to be given money so that they do not get drunk, but enjoy life?

        By the way, who will raise this quality of life? And How? Of my friends who do not abuse, work a lot, live not badly at all. I know a couple of drunks who have fled from high positions for drunkenness and continue to ferment. Apparently in the beginning they got drunk with joy, but now they drink themselves from "dullness and despair."
        1. 0
          16 October 2015 22: 52
          Quote: Asadullah
          What are you saying! That is, alcoholics need to be given money so that they do not get drunk, but enjoy life?

          No, we need to raise the standard of living so that alcoholics do not become
          Quote: Asadullah
          By the way, who will raise this quality of life? And How? AND

          It’s necessary to work, there is nothing else
          Quote: Asadullah
          Of my friends, who do not abuse, work hard, live not bad at all.

          Here I am about
          Quote: Asadullah
          I know a couple of drunks who have fled from high positions for drunkenness, continue to ferment. Apparently in the beginning they got drunk with joy, but now they drink themselves from "dullness and despair."

          It is not that simple.
    2. +6
      16 October 2015 05: 59
      Quote: Barboskin
      first you need to improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish.

      This must be done simultaneously.
      Quote: Barboskin
      Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

      It would not hurt to introduce GOSTs at all, and not only there, but then all TU and TU (technical conditions, in other words, a description of how they are produced, whether it corresponds or not, let this invisible hand of the market determine).
      And also the state monopoly on the trade in alcoholic beverages, as in the USSR.
      But something vague doubts torment me for the result ...
      The first launch from Vostochny Cosmodrome has already been postponed to spring 2016, and they said they would have time in December 2015 ...
      Eh ... All this is sad.
      1. +7
        16 October 2015 06: 09
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        It would not hurt to introduce GOSTs at all, and not only there, but then all TU and TU (technical conditions, in other words, a description of how they are produced, whether it corresponds or not, let this invisible hand of the market determine).

        Well, yes, the elimination of GOSTs and the introduction of TUs - this is one of the greatest achievements of democracy, almost along with the freedom to bang in the ass.
      2. +2
        16 October 2015 06: 22
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        It would not hurt to introduce GOSTs at all, and not only there, but that’s all

        GOSTs will be introduced and what? Who will control them? It is necessary to recreate the entire control system. And this is money .. And big.
        No, you need to start by creating conditions for the impossibility of "running again". To be honest, people often kick up from "not enough." If I had at least a couple of kilometers to the store, hell would someone make me buy more .. Just out of laziness.
        1. +2
          16 October 2015 06: 56
          Quote: domokl
          The OSTs will introduce what? Who will control them? It is necessary to recreate the entire control system.

          Hey . Sasha!
          Man himself must control what he pours into himself.
          I think each of you knows where and what is fawn, and what is quality.
          Although in Russia I noticed one strange thing, high-quality alcohol really costs you sky-high money, it is several times cheaper here.
          1. BMW
            +1
            16 October 2015 08: 13
            Quote: atalef
            Man himself must control what he pours into himself.

            Nonsense and another interpretation of Chubais's words: "they will die out as if they did not fit into the system," this must be understood.
            And why should I pay for their treatment, because sooner or later they will be in the hospital. And deductions from the wage fund are taken from all regularly.
          2. 0
            16 October 2015 09: 19
            Sky-high - how much?
            One of our plants is a distillery, quality - I personally do not know better. prices are more than reasonable.
          3. +2
            16 October 2015 09: 32
            Send hello to the ass laughing And two times. I agree about the cost of elite alcohol. but you know, Sash, In addition to whiskey, there is good vodka, cognac, wine. and they are produced with us.
            And about the control. Self-control is good when it is. And the drunkard has just big problems with this. they all consider themselves capable of not only controlling consumption, but also quitting at any time.
        2. 0
          16 October 2015 07: 32
          Quote: domokl
          GOSTs will be introduced and what? Who will control them? It is necessary to recreate the entire control system. And this is money .. And big.


          Recreate ?? yes they control in such a way that they raise the issue at the presidential level, strangle small and medium-sized businesses ..
        3. +1
          16 October 2015 09: 02
          We have people riding a supplement by train. So the distance is not a hindrance.
        4. +1
          16 October 2015 09: 16
          There is Rosalcohol Regulation (RAP) a very scary organization belay for legal factories laughing
          1. +1
            16 October 2015 11: 35
            Quote: Reduktor
            for legal factories


            Hmm ... I am always amazed at the true Russian metamorphosis ...

            Here is one of them: why is Dagestan (Kizlyar) cognac produced on the Kizlyar LKZ (!!!), but left-handed, much better than the same cognac produced and legally released to stores ??? And this is not verbiage, but reality ...
        5. +1
          16 October 2015 11: 25
          Quote: domokl
          It is necessary to recreate the entire control system. And this is money .. And big



          Hmm ... They steal much more ...

          The difficulty is different ... Over the years, the mentality of the Russian-Russian people has changed so much that the problem will be - where to find really honest controllers, and even more difficult - who and how will not only supervise them, but also protect them ???
      3. +2
        16 October 2015 11: 23
        Quote: prosto_rgb
        And also the state monopoly on the trade in alcoholic beverages, as in the USSR


        And, by the way, this could solve issues of not only the quality of alcohol, but also close many budget gaps ...

        It has long been necessary to return the alcohol state monopoly to vodka ... And this could be done in this way - so as not to cause shocks - so that high-quality vodka is cheaper than private, that is, ruin private distilleries ...

        Now the plumes will fly in my direction, but this is the only real way to get the production and sale of alcohol out of the hands of private capital ...

        PS This is exactly - the closure of budget holes - applies to the Vostochny cosmodrome, where just the problems arose because of the alleged lack of money ...

        In the USSR, the production of a liter of high-quality drinking alcohol cost somewhere around 7,5 kopecks, and a liter of vodka cost first 2,87-3,12, then 3,62-4,12 and so on ... And all the profits went to the treasury , to finance the army, science and education, culture, medicine ...
        1. +3
          16 October 2015 11: 34
          Quote: veksha50
          And, by the way, this could solve issues of not only the quality of alcohol, but also close many budget gaps ...

          It has long been necessary to return the alcohol state monopoly to vodka ... And this could be done in this way - so as not to cause shocks - so that high-quality vodka is cheaper than private, that is, ruin private distilleries

          Will this solve the problem of alcoholism?
          What are we talking about? How to plug budget gaps, improve the quality of vodka .. or that people would stop drinking? (more precisely, the development of alcoholism)
          Quote: veksha50
          Now the plumes will fly in my direction, but this is the only real way to get the production and sale of alcohol out of the hands of private capital ...

          And?
          Quote: veksha50
          PS This is exactly - the closure of budget holes - applies to the Vostochny cosmodrome, where just the problems arose because of the alleged lack of money ...

          Well, if you build a spaceport and contribute to technological progress at the cost of vodka, then negative

          Quote: veksha50
          In the USSR, the production of a liter of high-quality drinking alcohol cost somewhere around 7,5 kopecks, and a liter of vodka cost first 2,87-3,12, then 3,62-4,12 and so on ... And all the profits went to the treasury , to finance the army, science and education, culture, medicine ...

          So how is it ?
          And in Sweden, almost a dry law and everything that you wrote was developed much better.
          1. 0
            16 October 2015 21: 31
            Quote: atalef
            So how is it ?
            And in Sweden, almost a dry law and everything that you wrote was developed much better.



            Of course, I deviated somewhat from the topic ... But some extreme radicals just made me nervous ...

            All the same, in Russia they drank and will continue to drink ... the only question is - in what volumes ... And then the State Duma again began the "fight against alcoholism" in stupid ways ... Apparently, in me the reaction to the stupidity of the boyars leaped ...

            PS I admit, although I am ashamed ... Until the 90s, I was not the last person ... When the collapse occurred, I looked for myself as soon as I could ... More precisely, I looked for myself and decent earnings ... This is a long story .. The bottom line is: washed down ... washed down scary ... still wondering if he remained alive ... For several years in the kingdom of Koshchei ...

            And then once he thought better of it ... came to his senses ... found an occupation and a way to earn ...

            And now to me these rants are that the boyars in the Duma, that some of the guys on the forum, some are funny, while others are nervous ...

            If someone boasts that he doesn’t drink a single drop of alcohol, then let him turn to Gogol’s statement about such people ... I won’t quote, otherwise some opponents will be offended ...
            1. +2
              16 October 2015 22: 37
              Quote: veksha50
              All the same in Russia they drank and will drink.

              I’ll tell you honestly, I don’t see any problem in the alkagol. I think you will believe me that I don’t have an alcohol addiction

              Quote: veksha50
              the only question is how much ...

              And the volumes do not matter. Generally.
              Because we are distracted from 2 main things
              1. Reasons
              2. consequences
              someone revels in 100 grams, and a little liter to someone.



              Volumes are not very present here, maybe someone revels, with 100 grams,
              Quote: veksha50
              . The bottom line is: washed down ... washed down scary ... I'm still surprised that I remained alive ... For several years in the kingdom of Koshchei ...

              Respect to you and respect. And this is serious. I never knew what binge is. d knew quite a few people who regularly resided in them and simply knew a few - who understood the finiteness of the path and found the strength to get out of this, so I really and seriously press my paw (hand) and respect is an act, it’s easy to slide down - it’s ten times harder to climb hi hi good

              Quote: veksha50
              If someone boasts that he doesn’t drink a single drop of alcohol, then let him turn to Gogol’s statement about such people ... I won’t quote, otherwise some opponents will be offended ...

              So now I’ve returned from my native brother-in-law, they drank (as it should be on Friday) their liter Absolute = chime. And nothing, it’s not a problem with alcohol and I say this 100%, and alcoholism and its causes are prompting.
              1. 0
                17 October 2015 11: 04
                Quote: atalef
                no alcohol problem and I say it 100%, and alcoholism and its motivating causes


                I completely agree... hi
    3. +9
      16 October 2015 06: 07
      It's not about the quality of the poison, not about the quality of life, but about the agitation and promotion of alcohol.

      You notice a phrase at the beginning drinking articles?

      I, by a sinful affair, do not refuse a glass or two of cognac in good company. Yes, and I can use stronger. But in the company and for a good snack.


      The author is stupidly afraid that they will peck him, because they will think that he does not drink and immediately shouts "I am mine, do not beat me." When this problem goes away, there will be no problem of drunkenness at all. Because a person can only self-harm in relation to himself under serious psychological pressure.
    4. +9
      16 October 2015 06: 17
      Damn, how did they get calls to combat drunkenness, drug addiction, violence - did they decrease? -NO!!!

      It is necessary to proceed from the opposite, and not to shout about the fight against them! This is Ms. subliminal hidden advertising !!!! am

      It’s necessary to change brains !!! Promote a healthy lifestyle, organize and involve children, adolescents in circles, sections, etc. .. You need to immediately form a healthy, strong personality, you need to eradicate the REASON! and not fight the consequences !!! IMHO!
      1. +6
        16 October 2015 06: 59
        Quote: Designer 1
        Damn, how did they get calls to combat drunkenness, drug addiction, violence - did they decrease? -NO!!!

        It is necessary to proceed from the opposite, and not to shout about the fight against them! This is Ms. subliminal hidden advertising !!!!

        You know, s.e.c.s do not advertise anywhere, but nonetheless, its popularity does not decrease, drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way) - the problem (I also say it) is that many people lack prospects. In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.
        1. +3
          16 October 2015 07: 35
          Quote: atalef
          drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way) -


          “Russia cannot be merry, we cannot live without it ...” These words of the Grand Duke of Kiev Vladimir Red Sun were heard in 986 ...
          Do you want Sanya, what would our new Vladimir Red Sun against poper? laughing
        2. +4
          16 October 2015 09: 24
          Quote: atalef
          You know, s.r.k.

          All Hollywood cinematography is saturated with sekas and smashed with it.

          Quote: atalef
          drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way)

          The nastiest part.

          Quote: atalef
          In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.
          Blue lights, New Year's Eve and other masterpieces with smokers and drinkers protagonists DEPRECIATE tobacco smoking and alcohol consumption.
        3. +2
          16 October 2015 09: 27
          Quote: atalef
          You know, s.r.k.

          Come on. belay If "nowhere" means "in Israel" then maybe yes, I don't know. We have, however, in every newspaper with ads there is a section "to bitches" and half of the vacancies are high-paying recumbent work for girls. This is about advertising. If we talk about propaganda (what drunkenness, what s.e.k.sa) - it is so simple at every step. I will not even give examples, those who are not blind can see for themselves. am
          And by some strange coincidence the so-called "Russian intelligentsia" is the most active in this propaganda. hi
        4. +1
          16 October 2015 09: 57
          Quote: atalef
          You know, cfs aren’t advertised anywhere, but nonetheless, its popularity is not getting smaller,

          Well, this is a physiological need ... and does not apply to bad habits laughing
          Quote: atalef
          drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way)

          Well, I’m arguing with that, they just IMPOSED it to people !! that Russian drunkards .. If a person constantly repeats that he is a pig, then soon we will see a pig.

          Quote: atalef
          In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.
          That's what I’m talking about, it’s necessary to change the worldview, to show, to prompt the way, to give an opportunity to develop, so that a person sees the way, knows where to direct his energy !!
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        6. +1
          16 October 2015 10: 23
          Quote: atalef
          the problem (still I say) in the absence of prospects for many people. In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.


          On this occasion, the notorious poet Huberman noted:
          You cannot understand without the main thing
          Your unity Russia
          Each path has its own
          One for all anesthesia .. drinks
      2. +1
        16 October 2015 09: 05
        Now most circles and sections are paid, not all of them have money.
      3. +2
        16 October 2015 11: 40
        Quote: Designer 1
        It’s necessary to change brains !!! Promote a healthy lifestyle,



        Everything is correct ... Due to circumstances, every day from the window I observe how, with the start of school (and it is also within the "window of visibility"), schoolchildren in groups molt to the dacha area from lessons, walk along the street sidewalk and whip beer from cans , or even one and a half ...

        And there are no policemen, passers-by - turn away, but it is not known where the parents are and where they are looking ...

        You will say that I look like a character in Zoshchenko's story: "Here I stand all day and look ... Water is pouring from the tap, people are darting back and forth and not a single bastard will turn off the tap" ...? ...

        So I'm not from a good life sitting at this window ...
        1. +1
          16 October 2015 12: 39
          Quote: veksha50
          And there are no policemen, passers-by - turn away, but it is not known where the parents are and where they are looking ...

          And you ask the district police officer what will happen if he detains a minor. What passers-by will say (not even do), what kind of lawyer the parents will bring (and in how many minutes). How do the police keep within the Procrustean bed of legislation that was composed for the benefit of unscrupulous and arrogant citizens. But he didn’t notice - and everyone is fine. Particularly fellow lad.
    5. -6
      16 October 2015 06: 23
      ..... and this is a military review ..... worse than the yellow press ..... you cho dug there dill ??????????????? or craniotomy done .... fool
      1. +13
        16 October 2015 06: 47
        Quote: EGOrkka
        ..... and this is a military review ..... worse than the yellow press ...

        Vodka, beer, moonshine, generally alcohol, even from a pharmacy, are chemical warfare agents. And, probably, more people die from them than in local conflicts. So this must be perceived.
        1. -1
          16 October 2015 09: 08
          .... and at what "military review"????????????????????????????? name "everything about everything" and scratch behind the ear ........ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. BMW
            +2
            16 October 2015 14: 54
            Quote: EGOrkka
            .... and under what "military review" ????????????????????????????? name "everything about everything" and scratch behind the ear ........ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            The question of national security, or simply put, is there such a country as Russia, and the question is acute. The war with us is on all fronts and alcohol is a weapon.
        2. +1
          16 October 2015 11: 43
          Quote: EvgNik
          Vodka, beer, moonshine, generally alcohol, even from a pharmacy, are chemical warfare agents. And, probably, more people die from them than in local conflicts.



          Hmm ... Alexander the Great, after victorious feasts from scorching and drinking, more people died than in the battle that was celebrated ... This is testified to by historical sources ...
      2. +7
        16 October 2015 06: 47
        Quote: EGOrkka
        ..... and this is a military review ..... worse than the yellow press ..... you cho dug there dill ??????????????? or craniotomy done .... fool

        don’t get annoyed by trifles, go drink something .. smile
        1. +3
          16 October 2015 06: 58
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          go drink something ..

          bully And I got a wreck. Here he is, the advocate of alcoholism ... laughing
          1. 0
            16 October 2015 07: 20
            Quote: domokl
            And I got a wreck. Here he is, the advocate of alcoholism ...

            We're the same blood... bully
            1. +2
              16 October 2015 07: 39
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              We're the same blood..


              This is not a joke about you - in your agdam - no blood was found .. laughing
            2. +2
              16 October 2015 08: 11
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              We're the same blood...

              How long have you found blood in your port? wink
            3. BMW
              +2
              16 October 2015 08: 17
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              We're the same blood..

              Forty degrees? belay
              1. +3
                16 October 2015 08: 47
                Quote: bmw
                Forty degrees?

                Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                How long have you found blood in your port?

                Quote: afdjhbn67
                This is not an anecdote about you - in your agdam - no blood was found.

                good handsome! what "fresh" jokes! Pedrosyan writhes with laughter ...laughing
                1. +3
                  16 October 2015 08: 56
                  Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                  Pedrosyan writhes in laughter ...

                  And someone from pain in the heart, which is no longer funny. And those close to writhing from this pain will face considerable troubles.
                  1. +3
                    16 October 2015 10: 22
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    Pedrosyan writhes in laughter ...

                    And someone from pain in the heart, which is no longer funny. And those close to writhing from this pain will face considerable troubles.

                    Oddly enough, but in drunks, as a rule, with the cardiovascular system, everything is in order
                    1. +2
                      16 October 2015 13: 35
                      Oddly enough, but in drunks, as a rule, with the cardiovascular system, everything is in order

                      You make such a statement on what data?

                      I work in statistics and the correlation of alcohol consumption and deaths is very clear, and the leader among deaths is just CVD, though now oncology is gaining more momentum, so you look and will overtake. Even our main speaker made such a report at some gathering of theirs, that the main problem is not a small birth rate, but a huge mortality rate and alcohol plays an important role in this mortality.
                      1. 0
                        16 October 2015 18: 14


                        Oddly enough, but in drunks, as a rule, with the cardiovascular system, everything is in order

                        You make such a statement on what data?

                        According to no information, this character is habitually lying and distorting)))
          2. +1
            16 October 2015 13: 23
            And I got a wreck. Here he is, the advocate of alcoholism ...


            No kidding. They are.
        2. +2
          16 October 2015 09: 31
          Strychnina, sir, strychnina !!! laughing
        3. 0
          16 October 2015 11: 45
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          don’t get annoyed by trifles, go drink something ..



          Specify already ... corvalola with valerian or a human drink - vodka-cognac ... The first and second are unlikely to help, but the rest will soften, make kinder ...
    6. +2
      16 October 2015 06: 38
      Quote: Barboskin
      Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

      I agree, but it’s half-measures that the authorities are in fact fighting not with alcoholism, but banning but not offering alternatives, they will not achieve anything Instead of generally accessible gyms, expensive fitness centers but more often shopping centers and affordable pubs I’m silent about youth policy - it isn’t
    7. 0
      16 October 2015 07: 21
      Utopia! Sovereign people empty.
    8. +2
      16 October 2015 08: 03
      Quote: Barboskin
      Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

      And to fight against addicts, you need to improve the quality of drugs? Prohibition must be introduced, not guests.
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    10. +3
      16 October 2015 10: 00
      [quote] First you need to improve the quality of alcohol products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol. [/ Quote
      ]I completely agree. And about drinking - people began to drink less (especially youth)
      Causes
      1 car
      2 Work (it’s very easy to lose, but the Alconauts cannot stand leadership)
      Pi. Xi Pay attention - In Russia they like to drink, take a walk, but they can not stand drunkards !!!!
    11. +1
      16 October 2015 10: 31
      Quote: Barboskin
      first you need to improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

      it absolutely doesn’t change anything, bruises as they were drinking surrogate will continue to drink
    12. +2
      16 October 2015 10: 40
      Quote: Barboskin
      Before fighting alcoholism, one must first improve the quality of alcoholic products and remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

      ha ha. booze ALWAYS. under the crap, and under the communists, and under the kings, and under the "tyrants", and under the emperors, probably too. into "dry" laws and "wet" ones. and with quality, and in the absence thereof. a question in education. everything grows from there. and not in GOSTs and other crap. and little by little something is done. TRP, marathons, Russian ski track. I personally believe that the fight against the serpent will be successful only when the people are busy and generally successful. Well, the promotion of a healthy lifestyle, essno. and mass sports. the only way. not bans and GOSTs. well, five cents, as usual wink
    13. -1
      16 October 2015 11: 04
      Leave vodka in supermarkets. Everything else is in the special. shops, 50 km from the city.
    14. +4
      16 October 2015 11: 14
      Actually, somehow the comments (which I just re-read now) took the discussion off the right track.
      The conversation took the form (in which I also inserted my 3 kopecks)
      1. Drinking alcohol is not a problem.
      2. Prohibits alcohol
      3. Quality control
      4. All who use it are drunks and enemies of the state.
      I think all this is nonsense and the tricks of the mk there are dozens of examples of countries where
      1. Alcohol is part of the culture and without the use of wine and beer - no meal can do
      2. A huge number of countries - where alcohol costs just a penny and is available 24 hours a day
      AND ALL THIS DOESN’t Bring ON THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE IN RUSSIA and mentioned in the article.
      I think it was more correct to talk about the reasons leading to the spread of alcoholism (maybe the problem is not in drinking, but in alcoholism)
      What needs to be done so that people don’t stop drinking alcohol (I don’t write the word DRINK maybe in Russian it has quite a bogus negative meaning), and do not slip into alcoholism.
    15. +3
      16 October 2015 11: 26
      It's not the fault of the matter ... but in the brains of people ... and the sovereign’s power ..
    16. +1
      16 October 2015 11: 32
      Household drunkenness should not be confused with the culture of gastronomy. The age-old traditions of winemaking cannot be thrown away. The question is in the formation of an attitude towards drunkenness. Now, by the way, on the whole, we are moving correctly - young people are being taught that it is fashionable to be healthy, physically developed, smart, cunning, successful in order to survive in the modern competitive world. And alcohol, cigarettes and drugs are for “losers”. Such a scheme will work sooner or later. Apart from sports, I personally was always protected from alcohol, tobacco and drugs by one thought - "why is it some kind of tweet, who does not use all this herself, will profit from me? .." It helps a lot - now almost 40 years.
    17. 0
      16 October 2015 12: 31
      Quote: Barboskin
      need to start

      The meaning of the phrase? We will not do anything, because first we need to do something else. Either impracticable or useless.
    18. +2
      16 October 2015 15: 24
      Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.


      It is better to return the state monopoly.
    19. 0
      16 October 2015 22: 21
      Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.


      But aren't they today? And indeed, quality and consumption are not mutually exclusive. Consumer culture, for what they will drink low-quality buckets, what high-quality, in this state the drinker will be in terms of the letter n, with the end of й.

      But from this angle:
      On the state approach to this issue.


      Alcohol must be expensive. Even if the state is not a monopoly, then the price must be set by the state. Transfer to the criminal plane for driving on a fly, for driving without a license. Tough attitude towards alcohol in state institutions. In the labor code, dismissal is the only sanction. And a long work in civil society, so that a drunk person would cause surprise and laughter. In the meantime, we watch films with "National peculiarities of fishing, hunting and other things" and run to the store for a bottle.
      1. +1
        16 October 2015 22: 41
        Quote: Asadullah
        Alcohol Must Be Expensive

        There will be cheap moonshine
        Quote: Asadullah
        . Even if the state is not a monopolist, then the price should be set by the state.

        There will not be a
        Quote: Asadullah
        Transfer to the criminal plane for driving a fly, for driving without a license. Tough attitude to alcohol in public institutions.

        It will bear fruit (in large cities) but will not solve the problem in the rest of Russia
        Quote: Asadullah
        In the labor code, dismissal is the only sanction.

        and the wino will be cured right there?
        Quote: Asadullah
        . And a long work in civil society, so that a drunk person would cause surprise and laughter.

        Laughter and surprise Yes
        Quote: Asadullah
        In the meantime, we watch films with "National characteristics of fishing, hunting and other things" and run to the store for a bottle.

        Strange, I looked and more than once - I did not run to the store
    20. 0
      17 October 2015 09: 46
      ________________________
  2. +2
    16 October 2015 05: 53
    Vodka is an abomination, vodka is poison, but one hundred grams will not hurt. Observe 100 grams no more. winked
    1. +9
      16 October 2015 06: 28
      laughing Once he was in the hospital. Tightly lay. Without getting up. And in the next room, the men brought Polkash brandy. He is a helicopter pilot. Fell somewhere. Squeezed, and then stretched. Or vice versa. But also lay a log.
      Here, his guys rolled me along with the bed to him. They only poured cognac into glasses. The head of the department enters. Zluka is terrible. What are we drinking? Cognac. Pour in. I drank it. Good. But to you no more than 150 grams. It is even useful for you for treatment.
      Naturally we were indignant. Why they don’t prescribe a medicine. The answer is everything.
      There are two of you. According to 150 ... how much will remain? And what will you do with the remainder? Therefore, we do not prescribe laughing
  3. +1
    16 October 2015 05: 55
    This problem is ineradicable! drinks
    1. +6
      16 October 2015 06: 02
      Any problem has a solution, you can solve it, but you can not solve it, and this is also a solution. Honestly, watching alcohol intoxication in the district decreased, we switched to beer,
      1. +10
        16 October 2015 06: 09
        oh, and now he will treat teetotalers, oh, and they will begin to sculpt minuses to everyone who has even taken a sip in life!))))) here for his long-lived life, he remarked: the most aggressive people are deeply religious, and deeply teetotalers (especially from former drinkers) a paradox ? winked
        1. +3
          16 October 2015 06: 40
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          the most aggressive people, deeply religious, and deeply teetotalers (especially from the former-drinkers) paradox?

          No paradox. There are no ex. They remain so until the end of life, but if they cannot, then others too. Yes, there are many vodka shops. But. There are no queues in them. But trade in moonshine is a problem. Although it can only be driven by law for personal use, it is sold around the clock. For some families, this is a family business. They don’t work - but all have zero cars. In order for people to die from vodka, I have not heard recently, and from the moonshine in our entrance for 3 years a third person dies. 3 of them did not have 2.
      2. +6
        16 October 2015 06: 18
        I agree. There is a solution. Need to reduce the number of points of sale. Limit the number of such stores. And introduce compulsory treatment for drunks. Forced! Soviet LTPs, albeit not completely, have fulfilled this role.
        1. BMW
          +3
          16 October 2015 08: 24
          Quote: domokl
          And introduce compulsory treatment for drunks.

          Nope, forced labor therapy, as under Stalin after the war. wink
          The only negative is that political repressed will immediately appear. crying
      3. +2
        16 October 2015 06: 23
        Quote: apro
        Honestly, watching drunkenness in the district decreased, we switched to beer,

        They drink beer all over the world, drank and will drink. Well, do not swallow lemonade for men.
        1. +3
          16 October 2015 06: 28
          Cheburator, I last drank beer in the year 95 while the Annunciation Brewery made beer according to Soviet recipes and then everything was an alcoholic drink with the taste of beer. But for me it’s better than vodka, worse not.
        2. +2
          16 October 2015 06: 51
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Beer is drunk all over the world, drank and will drink

          Beer is worth drinking only alive. And the current, in plastic containers, canned, which will stand for 10 years without spoiling, is poisonous poison.
          1. 0
            16 October 2015 07: 21
            Quote: EvgNik
            Beer is worth drinking only alive.

            not a fact ... is it worth it at all, but sometimes I want a pancake ... feel
        3. +3
          16 October 2015 06: 53
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, do not swallow lemonade for men.

          And why should peasants swallow anything at all! Well, if only a saber, so not everyone is capable of it. In the former military unit closest to me, there is a military man. the town remained, as they say, and he himself noticed that almost half of the inhabitants were addicted to drugs. Is that the norm?
        4. +4
          16 October 2015 07: 16
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They drink beer all over the world, drank and will drink. Well, do not swallow lemonade for men

          what can I say .... in 150 days, retire! I'll get drunk "in Lyulya"! (collective too) laughing
    2. +3
      16 October 2015 06: 22
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      This problem is ineradicable!

      Andrei, I don’t see a problem either. Something I’m walking around the city, people are sober around. It happens from somewhere it will be taxied under dude. Where is the problem then?
      They write as if rampant drunkenness in the country.
      1. +3
        16 October 2015 06: 40
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Andrei, I don’t see a problem either.

        Sanya, hi, I don’t see either! quiet troll! lol it's fun to watch the "non-drinkers" get mad ... wink such a topic has been raised more than once, so the last time, one colleague wished me to sleep and die as soon as possible! may God grant him health ... feel
        1. +1
          16 October 2015 07: 18
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          one colleague wished me to sleep soon and die

          It is from envy, the ulcer is seen wassat
          Healthy hi
          1. +4
            16 October 2015 07: 28
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            one colleague wished me to sleep soon and die

            It is from envy, the ulcer is seen wassat
            Healthy hi

            This is from kindness, because you could just wish to die, and so in general, at least some kind of joy in life is before death. laughing
      2. +3
        16 October 2015 06: 45
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They write as if rampant drunkenness in the country.

        Hi Sanya. And in my house there are several young (up to 40) men only doing that they are looking for someone to snore ... I think this is not a few apartments on 60
        1. +1
          16 October 2015 07: 20
          Quote: domokl
          in my house there are several young (up to 40) men only doing that they are looking for someone to snarl with ..

          Sanya, there are such everywhere, but they are such in life. The meaning of their life is to roll, otherwise the day will pass in vain.
          1. BMW
            +1
            16 October 2015 10: 00
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , there are such everywhere, but they are such in life.

            Just born and piss - fu, would I rather look for vodka or beer?
            Society has made them such, and should be responsible for them.
      3. +3
        16 October 2015 07: 27
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Andrei, I don’t see a problem either. Something walking around the city, people sober around

        We will discuss it in Skype bar tomorrow. laughing
        Hey . Sanya!

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They write as if rampant drunkenness in the country.

        Well, the problem exists in general, it may not be the same as it draws, but in general --- Sanya is drunk in the villages ..... and drunk.
        In Pskov - this ... I would like to use a word, but I will run into a warning.
        1. +2
          16 October 2015 08: 58
          Quote: atalef
          in the villages they drink ..... and they drink.

          but this is really ... and as a child in my distant village, they thumped abruptly, and now nothing has changed. Probably the air in the village is so .... heady .. belay
      4. BMW
        +3
        16 October 2015 09: 35
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , I don’t see a problem either

        You just don't want to see her.
        We have a 10% turnover on the coast, precisely because of drunkenness. People who go to hell for Easter cakes to earn money and drink (mainly Altai, Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories, they don’t take Buryats for the second year, because the percentage of drunkenness is 2-3 times higher). Mortality is also due to drunkenness, 5-6 people in 5 months (moreover, stupid and terrible), there are no serious injuries, but minor injuries 10-15. And that's for 500 people.
        It's just that this is not visible in the city, because drink at home.
      5. +1
        16 October 2015 12: 43
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Where is the problem then?

        Imagine. You open your own business. You hire workers. And then part of them does not go to work at all, and part crawls on the eyebrows and they again have to be wrapped. That’s it, it’s worth it, the enterprise is standing, taxes and rents are dropping at a slow pace. At the same time, those who normally came out should organize the work process in some mysterious way and pay their salaries.
    3. +3
      16 October 2015 08: 12
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      This problem is ineradicable!

      Drunk. Yes
      1. +1
        16 October 2015 08: 38
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        Drunk.

        it said a person who uses every day ...- authoritatively! laughing
        1. +1
          16 October 2015 08: 49
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          a person who uses every day ...

          belay
          I will file a lawsuit am . For libelsad.
          1. +2
            16 October 2015 08: 51
            Quote: Angry Guerrilla
            I will file a lawsuit

            God will give ...
            1. +1
              19 October 2015 06: 58
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              oh, and now he’ll be sobering up the teetotalers, oh and they’ll begin to sculpt minuses


              Stop lying. Go into the topics and see who has cons. And, by the way, the most aggressive people are just warlike alcoholics who are irreconcilable to a person who dared to behave differently from them.
  4. +5
    16 October 2015 05: 58
    Oh my God! The theme is arzhivayny. Remember how much alcohol advertising pours on our heads every day. Small mtatistics, during the reign of Leonid Brezhnev, the consumption of alcohol increased by 10 times. Don't believe me? Check it out. I understand that he is from Moldova himself, but that does not mean anything. I’m still fmlm: basic films such as "New Year's Carnival", "Enjoy Your Bath", do not resemble anything. This is the purest drinking of the population, the creation of the image of a drinking nation, just some kind of horror. I would remember a truly national trail, even the period of John IV, during which there was a whip punishment for the use of alcohol. The theme is endless.
    1. 0
      16 October 2015 06: 04
      Quote: venaya
      even the period of John IV, in which there was a lash for the use of alkagol.

      Yes, it seems that under him the first tavern was opened in Moscow, sharpened exclusively for "oprichniks", but ordinary people were forbidden and vodka was sold exclusively under the brand "medicine".
      1. +3
        16 October 2015 06: 27
        Quote: V.ic
        Yes, it seems that with him in Moscow the first tavern was opened, sharpened exclusively for "oprichniks",

        The work of the guardsmen is too specific, this is an exception to the exceptions. Prior to John IV, in Russia there was no such institution as a cause, the reason for its creation is an exceptional ideological attack on Russia at this time. In general, in Russia, the killing of a person was never practiced, all this came to us from the wild west, African manners, and in order to go for such a thing, John had to violate centuries-old national traditions.
        1. 0
          16 October 2015 07: 04
          Quote: venaya
          this is an exception to the exceptions.

          Your original style of thinking, however ... The exception to the exceptions is most likely rate.
          Quote: venaya
          In general, in Russia, killing a person has never been practiced, all this came to us from the wild west,

          Oh really? And the execution of Velyaminov, the son of the last Moscow tysyatskiy under Prince Dmitry Ivanovich "Don"? "After much deliberation, Prince Dmitry Ivanovich sentenced the traitor to a public execution. A corresponding ceremony was developed. The execution of Ivan Velyaminov took place in August 1379, on the Kuchkov field." http://sergeytsvetkov.livejournal.com/141099.html
          It seems that Prince Dmitry Ivanovich and the sovereign and V. Prince. Are Ivan Vasilyevich different people, or do you consider them to be one person?
          1. 0
            16 October 2015 08: 04
            Quote: V.ic
            ... Exception from exceptions is most likely the norm. ... "After much deliberation, Prince Dmitry Ivanovich sentenced the traitor to public execution. A corresponding ceremony was developed. ...

            You see how we are getting weirdly. We both prove the same thing with different examples. Look: "An appropriate ceremony was developed."- that is, you prove with your example that the principle of" exception only confirms the rule "and in this case works. This is not a wild sophisticated west for you, where such masterpieces of killing people as gallotin or fur. a device like the one in the guy park, where an ingenious machine for killing the gallows was installed at the same time 17 people, and at the same time the crowd gathered, like on a holiday, taking ruble places in the evening, another culture. It is not surprising that such a holiday ended with a grand booze.
            1. 0
              16 October 2015 11: 12
              Quote: venaya
              We both, with various examples, prove the same thing.

              Well, we are not a priori like-minded people. You give me the absence of executions before Ivan the Terrible, I am giving you a SPECIFIC example from an era that is almost a century and a half earlier, and this is not the same thing. And in the interval between yours and mine, the massacre of the "strigolniks" (they are "Judaizers"): "... the council of 1504 sentenced the main followers of heresy to be burnt in wooden cages."
              https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/ЕЭБЕ/Жидовствующих_ересь
    2. +4
      16 October 2015 07: 50
      Quote: venaya
      basic films such as "New Year's Carnival", "Enjoy Your Bath", do not resemble anything


      You have forgotten the classics of short films: "Watchdog dog and unusual cross / Moonshiners."
  5. +5
    16 October 2015 05: 59
    The country is ruled by the Queen PROFIT. It doesn’t matter how you earn it. This applies not only to alcohol. For example, you can give the pharmacy market, where it is sold not what heals, but what is expensive. Cheap drugs are being washed out of sale. They are disadvantageous. Free circles and sections for children are disadvantageous, please pay. Pools, parks and squares - they can not be found in areas of mass development. That's how we live, remembering a happy childhood.
  6. +4
    16 October 2015 05: 59
    I, by a sinful affair, do not refuse a glass or two of cognac in good company. Yes, and I can use stronger. But in the company and for a good snack. Therefore, he is not a supporter of prohibitions.


    I can not stand it when someone makes excuses at the very beginning of the article, in the hope that they will not deliver the cons. At the same time, it’s just about the fact that bans are still needed - otherwise we will perish.
    Author do you have a life position on the topic of alcohol? If so, why are you chewing snot?
    An article from the ryazryad "I actually drink myself, but I have to do something about it!", But stop buying in these alcohol stores and voila - another sober member of society is ready. And if you cannot / want, then nothing can be done either with you in particular, or with the country as a whole.
    1. +4
      16 October 2015 06: 15
      Quote: kolyhalovs
      , so stop buying at these alcohol stores and voila - another sober member of society is ready.

      sad Interesting. I, too, do not deny myself the pleasure of drinking. Do not get drunk, namely drink in a decent company. And I see no harm in such use. On the contrary, when I was at a non-alcoholic wedding. There were such times. So that Gorbachev himself is so married ...
      The conversation is not about a ban. And about how to remove the opportunity for those who still do not understand the dangers of abuse.
      For a long time, during the Soviet Union, we on the beach girls poured brains for girls cursing themselves on the horizontal bar. On each beach there was a normal gymnastic horizontal bar. And not pipes welded. And it was fashionable to be strong. And now?
      They also tell me about the dangers of smoking (I smoke 40let), about the dangers of alcohol (I tried about the same time). Isn't it harmful to live?
      Or do I also have no position? Ballast for society?
      1. +3
        16 October 2015 06: 20
        Quote: domokl
        Or do I also have no position? Ballast for society?

        Well, Sasha said, I already listened! Yes hi
      2. +1
        16 October 2015 06: 25
        Quote: domokl
        I, too, do not deny myself the pleasure of drinking.

        Well, that’s all, then you are drunk Sanya laughing
        1. +1
          16 October 2015 06: 48
          Duc ... I also smoke .. And this, to the left, so to speak ... And the fact that I do not participate in marathons fellow
          In short, a collection of bad habits and other immoral phenomena. Direct path in the next life to the cobblestone on the road. So that people stumble and matter laughing
          1. +2
            16 October 2015 07: 05
            Quote: domokl
            Direct path in the next life to the cobblestone on the road.

            Sasha, Ranevskaya said: it’s good in paradise, but in hell, the company is better! wink
            1. +2
              16 October 2015 07: 21
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              oh, but in hell, the company is better!

              Yeah, more friends laughing
      3. +1
        16 October 2015 08: 14
        Quote: domokl
        They also tell me about the dangers of smoking (I smoke for 40 years), about the dangers of alcohol (I tried about the same time).

        I wonder why, after strokes and other CVDs, they stop drinking and smoking for medical reasons?
        1. 0
          16 October 2015 11: 10
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I wonder why, after strokes and other CVDs, they stop drinking and smoking for medical reasons?

          Coward does not play hockey...
        2. 0
          16 October 2015 18: 53
          I wonder why, after strokes and other CVDs, they stop drinking and smoking for medical reasons?


          But because the "macho" - men who "don't drink lemonade"when a bony one with a scythe or a surgeon with a saw begins to loom nearby, the point suddenly starts a bench press.

          And they suddenly realize that it’s not harmful to live healthy, but beautifully, and without any poison to which they culturally accustomed themselves.

          Unfortunately, sometimes it is late and they find themselves in the "merry company" of the morgue. Or they turn into ballast for doctors, relatives and friends ...
  7. +5
    16 October 2015 06: 01
    Sinka ch.m.o.! Do not drink! Train!
  8. +6
    16 October 2015 06: 03
    fence off youth from alcohol !!!
    Sport is free, promotion of a healthy lifestyle, tighten the admin codex in this direction (drinking and being drunk ...), add police rights (tightening control over the abuse of rights)
    ... people will add if they forgot!
    1. +9
      16 October 2015 06: 16
      Exactly. No shops should be around, and sports grounds and sections are free. Then there will be no time to "sit and drink beer."
      1. +1
        16 October 2015 07: 11
        ... and desires
  9. +5
    16 October 2015 06: 08
    I support. Few people know that beer alcoholism, especially in women, causes no less harm. Energy drinks are a terrible evil. Pepsi, Coca-Cola in its formulation contains phosphoric acid, which is worse than the high level of sugar in drinks. A student washed test tubes with phosphoric acid, moonlighting as a laboratory assistant. In overalls, in a fume hood, only gloved hands with the ventilation turned on, after some time I began to notice that the work clothes were all in small holes! And this is despite safety precautions.
    Alcoholism is a serious disease, there are many reasons and not all of them can be eliminated. It's like with a smoke, it’s easier not to smoke for the first time than to quit later.
    Detoxification needed, who can not pay, for community service in court. Perhaps it is necessary to determine the criteria for the compulsory treatment of alcoholism in closed institutions, where treatment would be accompanied by compulsory occupational therapy, and who does not know anything, learning the simplest professions.
    Moreover, treatment should be accompanied not only by medical support, but also by an emphasis on physical therapy and physiotherapy as in a neurological hospital.
    Another problem, homeless people, is the main contingent for such institutions.
    About GOST, I support. The excise stamp must have a code indicating which raw material, I mean the quality of the alcohol, the drink is made. I have not tasted normal wine for a long time. I prefer domestic ones, but this is ink and burda, despite the brand label.
    1. +3
      16 October 2015 06: 34
      Through fault I fully support. Instead of beer, you need to sell natural wine. We have the Kuban, Crimea, Stavropol Territory.
  10. +5
    16 October 2015 06: 13
    I’ve not been drinking it myself for 9 years, except for a glass of champagne for the New Year. And I bring up sons in the same spirit, and I have three of them
    1. 0
      16 October 2015 06: 52
      Quote: Hubun
      I’ve not been drinking it myself for 9 years, except for a glass of champagne for the New Year. And I bring up sons in the same spirit, and I have three of them

      very competent, politically seasoned commentary! the flow of pluses is inevitable! Yes
      1. +4
        16 October 2015 07: 10
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Quote: Hubun
        I’ve not been drinking it myself for 9 years, except for a glass of champagne for the New Year. And I bring up sons in the same spirit, and I have three of them

        very competent, politically seasoned commentary! the flow of pluses is inevitable! Yes

        This is the choice of everyone.
        I would not pose the question - to drink badly, not to drink - good.
        This is not only black and white, but there is a huge number of shades.
        I do not want to give examples of France or Italy - where wine is generally an attribute of every meal, Or of the same Israel, where wine is a MANDATORY part of any holiday or Saturday meeting.
        Mandatory.
        When circumcision is done, the baby is given a spoonful of wine on the 8th day (after birth).
        nevertheless (although we have drunks too) - it was never a problem and I remember upon arrival in 93 g, I learned that in Haifa there are (400t residents with suburbs) a type of sobering-up station, for as many as 8 places and usually empty.
        Once again, I think. that alcohol is not a problem, the problem is the lack of prospects in people.
      2. +4
        16 October 2015 07: 21
        And somehow I do not chase the pluses. Wrote as is. I don’t see anything good in alcohol. There is a negative experience. For example, when, in principle, good combat drunk in 5 days.
        1. BMW
          +1
          16 October 2015 10: 16
          Quote: Hubun
          good combat drunk in 5 days.

          Yes, but the sailors earned for a six-month voyage, for one night. I know those in the 90s to 10 thousand greens were lowered in taverns. Received money, lowered it during the night, in the morning on a ship and wait for a new flight.
  11. +6
    16 October 2015 06: 15
    The state's war on alcohol ends with the victory of alcohol. Many drink from bezishodnost, from a nasty situation at work, I have an example at work before my eyes, when a salary of 6 thousand is delayed for 3 months. The peasants either pushed diesel fuel or used to push rubble to the left onto booze. My electrician directly told the head of the quarry that if he diminishes the "bonus", he will get drunk right here in his office. As noted above, the quality of life must be raised.
    1. +3
      16 October 2015 07: 03
      Zbs! Salaries of 3 months were not and they salary on a booze !!! ... nlyat. Well, what for the people? Pour yourself into the ashes and let the children and their wives eat the last one at home without salt ...
      I goof ... Get drunk from hopelessness by the fact that there is no money! Damn what the hell!
    2. +4
      16 October 2015 07: 15
      Quote: Dimy4
      My electrician directly told the head of the quarry that if he diminishes the "bonus", he will get drunk right here in the office
  12. +2
    16 October 2015 06: 20
    It is impossible to win, and why? He already has experience in fighting, he did not solve any problems. It is necessary to educate and inculcate a culture of drinking. Plus Employment, Domestic work, Sport finally.
  13. +4
    16 October 2015 06: 21
    We know what the prohibitions lead to. Self-racers will thank the authors. Cigarettes are curtained and what? It smells like a madhouse. They don’t fight against prohibitions, it’s from the evil one. The authorities cannot offer anything in exchange for vodka beer and cigarettes and do not even try.
    1. +4
      16 October 2015 06: 29
      It is enough that the authorities would take the production of alcohol into their own hands. And the quality will be higher and help the budget.
      1. 0
        16 October 2015 09: 22
        I completely agree. In Soviet times, Tokai or Hungarian vermouth were really distinguished by quality. The current Tokai is not wine, but booze. The same martini is obviously bodysuit.
        I am a monopolist.
    2. +1
      16 October 2015 06: 57
      Quote: Alex Nick
      It smells like a madhouse. They do not fight with prohibitions, it’s from the evil one.

      As one familiar cop said: "The pig will always find dirt." And a normal person is a problem. hi
  14. +7
    16 October 2015 06: 25
    I do not agree with the article in everything. Yes, there is a problem, but ... In the 90s it was much worse ... I saw the same picture in the evening and in the morning, how alcoholics and drug addicts were already or were still sitting on the same bench ... Now they don't sit, who then under the grass, but there are those who have tied up. I'm talking about something else. In those days, there were almost mathematically verified models that say that all young people, without exception, will be the same. But the youth had not only a can of beer in their hands, but also a head on their shoulders. The forecasts failed. I judge by my "child" and his homies, and by their former class, in which there were 26 people ... There were 2 drinkers. And that's all. Yes, they do drink beer, I won't say about energy, I don't know. Sometimes the company indulges in vodka, BUT .... DO NOT DRINK .... They have other interests and they are more indifferent to alcohol. My leader is 26. At this age, my opinion has already been formed ... But there is a problem, because I see drunken youth, but there are orders of magnitude less than in the 90s. And therefore I support both GOSTs and educational programs. It is necessary to explain about the harm and do it constantly, since this is a long and not always rewarding business. hi
    1. 0
      16 October 2015 10: 24
      not only to explain but also to show by personal example.
  15. Fox
    +3
    16 October 2015 06: 28
    Quote: ziqzaq
    The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

    og ... I put a newspaper on a stool, already culturally.
    Come on, my friend, there is no cultural murder.
  16. +4
    16 October 2015 06: 31
    Greetings to all! Eh "... I, by a sinful deed, do not refuse a glass or two of cognac in good company. And I can use it stronger.", - not knowing the morality, BUT I would like to clarify, Cho after a glass of cognac can be stronger ... recourse ALCOHOL is sacred, do not touch it !!!
  17. +3
    16 October 2015 06: 34
    What is the article about? I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, who cares, I'm an adult and I don’t want everyone to treat me there. Better to thump than watch TV, TV is the biggest poison. I personally drink Everything that burns, though not very often.
    1. +3
      16 October 2015 06: 51
      Quote: Felix1
      I personally drink Everything that burns, though not very often.

      That's where the cat is buried. No one is against it. It’s not often to drink and it’s completely normal with anyone. But to drink for the sake of drinking, to drink .. that's where the evil
  18. +1
    16 October 2015 06: 53
    A fighter with alcohol (the author) and himself not an adherent of a healthy lifestyle - "Now I buy cigarettes" in the dark ". No display cases, no price tags." "... I, sinfully, do not refuse a glass or two of brandy in good company. And I can use it stronger. " smile
    1. +2
      16 October 2015 07: 20
      Quote: Bayonet
      A fighter with alcohol (the author) and himself not an adherent of a healthy lifestyle - "Now I buy cigarettes" in the dark ". No display cases, no price tags." "... I, sinfully, do not refuse a glass or two of brandy in good company. And I can use it stronger. " smile

      Hey . Sasha.
      It reminds me of my fellow student who is now a Baptist priest (or a preacher - hell will take them apart) in St. Petersburg.
      So, preaching this Baptist lifestyle - he says the same thing, in my childhood I drank, smoked. walked around the women, but then found God belay
      I still have some misunderstanding.
      I remember him all 5 years as a nerd, in glasses with lenses the size of a tin can, which is not like girls and alcohol, it was not suitable for a cigarette at 30 meters.
      laughing
  19. +3
    16 October 2015 07: 07
    Quote: Michael m
    The country is ruled by the Queen PROFIT.

    And what% of alcohol turnover comes to the budget?
  20. +3
    16 October 2015 07: 20
    Quote: ziqzaq
    Quote: Bosk
    Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because from "dullness" and hopelessness they get drunk and simply get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process itself and the consequences are different ...

    I agree with you. Does the author propose restricting the sale of alcohol? Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback? The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education, the ability to realize oneself, from social justice finally ...
    PS
    The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

    I agree! I completely agree. I’ll add from myself - now I’m buying a book, going to the theater or a cinema is more expensive than buying a cheap drink.
    1. +5
      16 October 2015 07: 32
      Quote: Sanya
      . I’ll add from myself - now I’m buying a book, going to the theater or a cinema is more expensive than buying a cheap drink.

      my wife, at the last visit to Kiev, pulled me to the ballet. wassat
      I want to say that these 3 hours did more harm to my brain and, accordingly, to health than a bottle of cognac. sad
      1. 740
        +1
        16 October 2015 08: 38
        Quote: atalef
        my wife, at the last visit to Kiev, pulled me to the ballet. wassat
        I want to say that these 3 hours did more harm to my brain and, accordingly, to health than a bottle of cognac.

        I had to send my wife and parents to the ballet, and take a walk along the familiar Kiev chiks. It’s more interesting. feel
  21. 0
    16 October 2015 07: 34
    ... Russian is the only nation that is poisoned by alcohol and is proud of it ...
    1. +3
      16 October 2015 09: 34
      I am not Russian, but I ask you not to offend the Russians. most drink British, Germans, Czechs. Russians are not even in the first dozen. And then, look at the store shelves. Overwhelmed with alcohol, as well as sausage. Why? In Tatarstan, it is officially stated that alcohol consumption has plummeted. I see this as a result of attention to sports in the republic. Moreover, in the microdistricts almost all over the city there are open sports grounds. Many times I saw how guys gather and compete on horizontal bars even in winter. I have a house in the village. When I often see food, teenagers in groups or one at a time (and even girls) run in tracksuits along the road between 2 villages.
    2. +1
      16 October 2015 09: 34
      Quote: VostSib
      Russian is the only nation that is poisoned by alcohol and is proud of it

      Well, why is the only one? At a minimum, there are also Poles and Ukrainians.
      "And I am a gentleman's family - I drink a gorilochka yak water!"
      A normal role model?
  22. Owl
    +4
    16 October 2015 07: 39
    There is a war going on against Russia, the authorities have only now begun to speak about it clearly, but besides talking, there should be concrete actions: an appeal and agitation for a healthy lifestyle, without "bad habits"; the revival of the ability of a citizen to engage in physical education free of charge near his place of residence; free children's sports sections in schools and youth sports schools; strengthening the attention of law enforcement agencies "on the ground" to the younger generation, to citizens aged 15-19, inclined to "tests of adult life"; restricting the entry of Asian and Ukrainian guest workers, reviving the working class in Russia, conducting new industrialization and collectivization. The people of Russia must understand that there is a war going on and only a strong, healthy, literate and skillful people will emerge from this war as a winner.
    1. +1
      16 October 2015 09: 45
      And one must also understand that complex problems do not have simple solutions. The people have been sanctified for decades, almost a century. Therefore, there is no need to wait for a quick return to normal life. It takes a long, consistent, purposeful work, not a cavalry attack. hi
  23. +3
    16 October 2015 07: 45
    First of all, ban the sale of chemistry such as screwdriver cocktails and others like them. A beer substitute that has been standing for years and does not deteriorate. Young people also get drunk on him. A strict control system for production, for falsyikat, as previously written, should be planted for at least 5 years without an udo. Remove alcohol ads. And then they twist around the box like I drank it and you're cool, only the boiled eggs are cooler. Need propaganda of a sober lifestyle. Moonshine for yourself drive is not a problem but only sold caught be nice for 5 years in a sanatorium, etc. Otherwise, everything is in vain. Well, our huckster who is commerce they must be responsible for quality. And not some sort of merchandiser or loader but the owner of the company should sit.
  24. +1
    16 October 2015 07: 54
    So far, the most acute problem is the quality of the product, where the product can potentially cause poisoning - it is 90 percent put on the shelves already real poison, where any organism even with 50 grams gets a hole such as with a good product of 500 grams.
    1. +2
      16 October 2015 08: 28
      Quote: prostofily
      oka the most acute problem in product quality

      The most acute problem is the availability of poison. What is the difference between fake vodka and excise, if they are poured from the same tank ???
  25. +2
    16 October 2015 08: 12
    Everyone must decide for himself: how much, where, with whom and what quality of alcohol to drink. It all depends on upbringing and self-discipline. There is no need to "sin" on the state, school, bad alcohol, social status, etc. etc. .... As the saying goes: you can't drink, don't torture your ass. Think about your family, your health and the future.
  26. +3
    16 October 2015 08: 20
    sobriety should be introduced at home, and I don’t see the point of blaming the state, if the child sees that they are drinking at home, they are drinking on the street, then he will drink, but if parents begin to explain everything to him correctly, then there is every chance to rectify the situation!
  27. +2
    16 October 2015 08: 29
    Stop thumping! Bluing is evil! In the country, horseradish knows what is happening, enemies at the borders grit their teeth, ready to clutch their throats, and here people are in oblivion. The revolutionary situation is already ripe - this is when the tops cannot steal in a new way, and the lower classes do not want to plump in the old. And we all discuss how much to drink, a lot or a little?
  28. +6
    16 October 2015 08: 41
    Such an article in the morning, and even on Friday ... This is a mockery! laughing
    let me calmly finish it until the end of the working day! drinks
    1. +3
      16 October 2015 09: 44
      Dear Meehan, a lot of cholesterol on the table. It is harmful. vodka in the refrigerator. Instead of sausage and bacon I recommend boiled pork. Take a loin, make longitudinal cuts, rub with spices so that it gets into the incisions too. Do not salt much. Sprinkle with garlic (or docs of lemon, apples, plums, whatever you want, you can put the potatoes sliced ​​along - there will be a side dish), wrap in foil or a special bag for baking. After an hour, you can safely put it on the middle shelf of the oven, heated to 180-200 degrees. When you see that juice is boiling in a bag and boils, reduce to 140-120 degrees and after 40 minutes it is ready.
      The time has gone. you still have time. bully drinks
      Well, seriously, alcohol for normal people is an element of the ritual of communication, and not a way to be a patsstol quickly. everyone can choose a sober lifestyle or for a company symbolically to skip for health (a meeting, beloved women all over the world, etc.). It’s all the same to an alcoholic where, what, with whom, how ... For most people, part of the culture of communication. hi
      1. +4
        16 October 2015 10: 41
        Quote: Balu
        a lot of cholesterol on the table. It is harmful.

        Dear Balu, do not poison my soul with a heart attack! I saw in cardiology a lot of men who do not drink and do not smoke ... I truly felt sorry for them! But the result was one ... hi EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN MODERATION! I ate it and drank Iperatorsky cognac (Kazakhstan) ... I remembered in the hospital often and happily smiled in intensive care ..))) laughing
        1. +3
          16 October 2015 12: 04
          Will you be in Bashkiria or Kazakhstan, try pressed horse meat. In!!!
          A lot of cholesterol is bad, it is not even negotiable.
          What respected Mikhan I agree with you, you have to do everything with pleasure: work and relax, love and hate, be friends and fight, swear and just love life. hi
          1. +3
            16 October 2015 12: 19
            Quote: Balu
            What respected Mikhan I agree with you, you have to do everything with pleasure: work and relax, love and hate, make friends and fight, swear and just love life

            It doesn’t always work, but you’re right. This is the main thing in life! hi We will not die alive ...
  29. +5
    16 October 2015 09: 00
    I smoke and I like to sit with a good friend with a stopar, but I have an offer to the government.
    1 - State monopoly on the production and sale of any alcohol-containing drinks and tobacco products (drugs - strictly according to the prescription).
    2 - Trade in alcohol-containing drinks and tobacco products only in specialized alcohol stores, one per administrative district of the city (district center in rural areas). (It’s easier to control the quality and mode of trading).
    3 - Toughening the punishment for illegal trade, up to confiscation of property and the real term of punishment.
    Trade in taverns and the like must also be reviewed.
    But who will pass such a law? It seems a considerable part of our legislators has a percentage of the production and sale of alcohol and tobacco products. And the bees will not accept the law against honey.
    1. +3
      16 October 2015 09: 28
      Quote: Vorchun
      2 - Trade in alcohol-containing drinks and tobacco products only in specialized alcohol stores, one per administrative district of the city (district center in rural areas). (It’s easier to control the quality and mode of trading).

      I remember back in the USSR we had one specialized store ... People called "Eternal Call")))) You wrote everything correctly, but control is an expensive and complicated matter! until 10 pm has long been yielding results (young people on benches already rarely drink at night ..) .. It is definitely necessary to fight, but it is to work with young people ..! hi
  30. +1
    16 October 2015 09: 03
    Umbrella propaganda? Russia is not cool, do you have alcoholics lying around here? I hasten to object, with alcoholics in the USA and Europe things are not better, but God forbid you to hint about this - you will be punished, and not the fact that by law.
  31. +1
    16 October 2015 09: 11
    It seems to me that we just need to put local officials in their place. After all, it is with their permission that such institutions are opened. Well, we don’t have to talk about product quality at all. Solid counterfeit and fake. So, you need to fight with everything at once. And not as a restructuring, cut down everything at the root.
  32. +1
    16 October 2015 09: 19
    Again, someone is drawn to prohibitions and restrictions. All this from the evil one. Folk wisdom says - the forbidden fruit is sweet. Like it or not, winemaking is an integral part of human culture. An example of beer, by the way, shows that young people are so hooked on it, first of all, thanks to persistent advertising (propaganda) of the 90s and affordability. Much certainly determines the level of culture. Today, educated young people prefer wine to strong drinks. This is one of the reasons for the decline in vodka consumption. And yet, let's agree that most car drivers are not drunkards, and there are more and more of them today.
    It is necessary to work, first of all, with those who do not know boundaries and restraint. You should not lump everyone together, introducing general prohibitions and putting normal people in an idiotic position. Think about it: they are the overwhelming majority. Do children drink, women who are initially prone to a sober lifestyle, although they do not mind drinking champagne for the holidays, do men without exception drink? Yes, all this is nonsense. The difference between our drunkenness and Western drunkenness, which actually drinks more than ours, is that most Westerners, after getting a fair amount, try to go home. Our people are drawn to the streets, where there is always a place for "feat" and courage. It is at this moment that they begin to say "compliments" to women, sing (rather yell) songs, talk loudly and take offense at those who do not want to talk to them or call for order, etc. What is this if not lack of culture? Let's deal harder with those who do not know the measures, who spread their hands in the family, who commit crimes while intoxicated. Prohibitions never solve problems if their causes are not eliminated, but only create the illusion of a struggle.
    Have you ever thought about the fact that most often the viewers and listeners of anti-alcohol videos and lectures are normal people, and drunkards have no time - they drink. Maybe it’s better to do this: he’s working in a sobering-up station, naturally paid, sobered up - home and to work, but be kind after work or on weekends (as appropriate) walk a certain time (without fail) and listen to anti-alcohol propaganda - until you feel sick, to vomit, figuratively speaking. Well, and gentlemen who are homeless and not working, let them work until they pay for their stay in the sobering-up center and every day "enjoy" pictures from the life of their own kind. And what! And cheap and cheerful.
    But, most importantly, I completely join this point of view, any person, and in this case we are talking, above all, about men, should have a real business in life. Still, women are protected to some extent by the instinct of motherhood, and men, by instinct, are a breadwinner (hunter) - in modern conditions this means having a job and a decent salary, a defender (including military service, law enforcement) of the family hearth, needlework (there are so-called men's affairs).
    After all, why do they drink more in the outback? There is no work, and if there is, then there is no salary, living conditions are not ah, sometimes it is simply impossible to get to the civilized center - either it is expensive or not at all transport. What kind of Internet is there, if there is no normal connection and the TV, God forbid, works when there is electricity. And "favorite" footwear - rubber boots. And a store in which, at present, prices are exorbitant compared to the city. So the peasants drink, realizing that life did not work out, that the wife is right, reproaching - people live somewhere. And lovers of bans, here they are with their initiatives. Better think about why after the most severe World War II, people drank less than in the blessed years of stagnation and the current - primary accumulation of capital?
  33. +3
    16 October 2015 09: 24
    Alcoholism and drug addiction have one reason, social roots !!!
    1. +1
      16 October 2015 10: 13
      Alcoholism and drug addiction have one reason, social roots !!!

      Not only. There is also genetics. And there is a lifestyle, braces that are laid in the family. If in a family a person feels uncomfortable, seeks self-affirmation outside the home, falls under the influence of others, perceives other people's attitudes.
  34. +1
    16 October 2015 09: 24
    Well, actually they take alcohol to change perceptions. As they have already said, this drug is only less dangerous. Moreover, it often leads a person to an animal state and lower. In order to rid people of alcohol, you need to teach him to change perception without the use of substances. smile
  35. 0
    16 October 2015 09: 36
    sometimes, on a sober head, I behave like a drunk (sorry for money for alcohol) sensations are not described)) people shy away, screaming fights flashing lights ... and in the morning the head does not hurt and I remember
    1. +2
      16 October 2015 10: 16
      consult a psychologist. By the way, there is a "test bank" on Yandex. Select the link-psychological tests. I assure you, it is very interesting to turn yourself inside out and take a look at yourself from the side. it helped me in due time to get rid of delusions and become calmer and firmer when I need to be more flexible. People have ceased to be a mystery to me with all their show-off, antics and quirks. hi
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  37. 0
    16 October 2015 10: 12
    The fight against alcohol in Russia did not lead to anything good.
  38. 0
    16 October 2015 10: 19
    How many problems in Russia. and alcoholism is one of them. but you will remember how it all began. how they made sick Russia out of a healthy state of the USSR. the population is declining without war. Is it profitable for someone? answer yourself this question. To whom? Or do you think that those in power are not aware of the powders and additives that are added to alcohol, alcohol. Everyone has a familiarity with the problem of alcoholism: who drank, who divorced, who lost their rights, who lost their jobs, health shook, children and wives they hate who it hurts to look at in the morning. And now remember the last time you, you personally stopped an alcoholic, or said do not drink, it is harmful to everyone. They just kill us. And we do not resist. After all, if a child crosses the road to red, you stop him, but we pass by if he drinks beer or smokes a cigarette. We are being bullied. We don’t know what we are using. More precisely, we know that they poison, but we still use it. Think about your family and friends, about your plans and goals. So this is MIRAGE through the prism of a bottle. And lastly. I remember how I started smoking back in '93, cool, fashionable, filter cigarettes, and WHAT ........?
  39. +1
    16 October 2015 10: 25
    Very old (2) RU Today, 06:34 ↑

    To be or not to be


    Two beers or not two beers laughing
    1. +2
      16 October 2015 11: 13
      belay Many on the site? Do you write on an enemy? Ali did not hang out in ya?
  40. +1
    16 October 2015 10: 28
    "There is a struggle, but there is an imitation of a struggle. And this imitation is much worse"...

    Here’s a lively yesterday’s example - the State Duma raised the issue of banning the sale of alcohol on Fridays ... anyone and at any time ... There is a very long justification for the need to do this on the day before the weekend, and what benefit it will bring to the people ...

    Involuntarily yesterday I asked myself a question (and not the first time) - YOU what, boyars, in the Duma there is already nothing to do ??? No more pressing matters ??? And now, for SUCH labors, from November 1, they will increase your wages TWO (!!!) times ???

    PS As for the sobering-ups ... This service was born when Peter 1 was charged with the obligation of the police to deliver wallowing drunken people home (if he remembered his place of residence) or in a broom until completely sober up with the sole purpose of preventing deaths, and not for fighting purposes with drunkenness ...
  41. +1
    16 October 2015 10: 29
    Well, damn it, you guys. This topic has been for centuries! They argued, argued, and things will remain there and there. Alas.
    Attempts to overcome the evil of drunkenness without living conditions that allow you not to take an example from your parents or remove oligarchs, thieves and bandits is fantastic. And to discuss complete recklessness on a topic that cannot be overcome by reasoning)))
    Our ancestors, the Slavs, drank mead, then their tsar and the traders forced them to drink vodka and wine, as in the entire "civilized" world. Naturally, we have achieved excellent results in this too.
    Who does not remember the sober riots of the peasants against the merchants of vodka?
    Nobody will force the state to abolish now, to introduce a prohibition. Everywhere sitting traders. Our task is to set an example for children.
    We do not want? Then there is nothing to blame on the government. Which of you instructed deputies of all levels to ban the sale of wine and vodka?
    No one!
    And now they offer not to trade on Fridays. 1.09 and 27.06 are no longer trading.
    Those. someone understands that slowly, without muttering about harm. you need to accustom to a normal lifestyle.
    1. 0
      16 October 2015 11: 15
      winked The classics are called ... As "War and Peace" .. Eternal theme, eternal problems
    2. +1
      16 October 2015 11: 23
      Quote: victorrat
      Our ancestors, the Slavs, drank mead, then their tsar and the traders forced them to drink vodka and wine, as in the entire "civilized" world. Naturally, we have achieved excellent results in this too.

      I do not think . that it’s generally correct to use the word –– forced.
      Nobody forced anyone. They wanted - they drank, and why drank - that’s the question.

      Quote: victorrat
      Who does not remember the sober riots of the peasants against the merchants of vodka?

      You know, selling vodka is a commercial enterprise, if you hadn’t bought it, they would have simply gone broke.
      It was not necessary to fight with taverns, but with customers, or rather, with the reasons forcing these people to spend the last money on the bitter.
      so, a bit of humor in the subject
      Father is sitting in the kitchen and drinking vodka. Suitable daughter:
      - Dad, can I take empty bottles, hand them over and buy some bread?
      - Take it, hand it over. What would you eat without me here?
  42. +1
    16 October 2015 10: 48
    IMHO it's not even about the quality of the product, as many write! And in the state will! First you need to erase the image of successful people with booze in media resources (with cognac on a yacht, with whiskey in a Bentley, etc.), because. very seductive image for teenagers, at least somehow match! Then, at the legislative level, regulate the availability of alcoholic products and the mass distribution of them (example: Sweden, excuse me, for Europe, but it struck me very much during a business trip there that it is very difficult to get alcohol stronger than 4%, and even something stronger and it is very problematic, because it is sold in special stores that do not work around the clock, if I am not mistaken until 18:00, and these stores are not at every step!). Well, the next stage is the creation of an image of a positive alternative, in the form of sports, both in the media space and in terms of accessibility, the development of sports infrastructures, so that the younger generation would have firmly in their heads the idea that a healthy lifestyle is the key to success!
  43. +3
    16 October 2015 11: 02
    How enrages me spineless. After all, these alcoholics and drug addicts not only harm themselves, but also the entire Russian state.
    1. +1
      16 October 2015 11: 37
      Quote: ilya_oz
      How enrages me spineless. After all, these alcoholics and drug addicts not only harm themselves, but also the entire Russian state.

      Now in the evening "our lads" will pull up from work, they will explain everything to you about the "sober lifestyle", etc. tired angry .. So "disappear" before it's too late! drinks
  44. 0
    16 October 2015 11: 32
    Well, in my country house, which is located in a small town of 30 thousand inhabitants and 160 km from Moscow, all alcoholics died out as early as 5 - 10 years ago ... On weekdays you will not find anyone on the streets already in the evening, everyone is getting ready to work , and on weekends everyone runs to their dachas and goes about their business, incl. there’s no time to drink, and in general I haven’t seen any bucks for a long time ...
    1. +1
      16 October 2015 11: 39
      Quote: IAlex
      Well, in my country house, which is located in a small town of 30 thousand inhabitants and 160 km from Moscow, all alcoholics died out as early as 5 - 10 years ago ... On weekdays, no one in the evening already on the streets you will not find everyone is getting ready for work, and on weekends everyone runs to their dachas and goes about their business, incl. there’s no time to drink, and in general I haven’t seen bukh for a long time ...

      what is this city called?
  45. -1
    16 October 2015 11: 41
    the country thumped, thumps and will thump.
    we have such a people. go to any city holiday, look at the faces of the townspeople, half are some kind of idiots. what other entertainment can you offer them?
  46. +2
    16 October 2015 11: 44
    You know, I liked the phrase once read that Stalin did not fight with vodka, but in people's free time.
    So I think that prohibitions will not help much, but if a person is busy with a business that is interesting for himself, he will not run to drink.
  47. +1
    16 October 2015 12: 00
    I drank it before, now I quit, I don’t use anything stronger than kvass and I’m glad about it. Besides, I completely changed my circle of friends for people who don’t drink. Life has become better. And I manage to have fun on vacation without alcohol. those people who do not drink to see drunk and inhale their stink.
    By the way, finally, in the city on the street you can’t meet drunken bukhariks. They are still scattered around the yards, but there they are quickly handed over by watchful window attendants and the police pack them.
  48. +1
    16 October 2015 12: 04
    "According to the latest data from Rospotrebnadzor, the number of alcoholics in Russia has exceeded 5 million. Only 000% of alcoholics are registered. Alcoholism caused the death of 000/1.7 of all men and 1% of women. If translated into figures, approximately 3 15 people a year. So many people do not die from wars, epidemics and natural disasters, even if you put it all together. Alcohol abuse in Russia is directly or indirectly connected: 500% of suicides, 000% of homicides, 62.1% of deaths from pancreatitis, 72.2% of cirrhosis and 60% of cardiovascular diseases. Annually more than 67.7 thousand cases of poisoning by low-quality alcohol, including fatal ones, are registered. " http://alcostop.org/materials/alcoholism-statistica-russian
    This is due to your money paid as taxes, they are treated. That they do not support their families. It is their children who grow up dysfunctional and sick. Are they the defenders of the motherland? Are their children the future of our country?
  49. +1
    16 October 2015 12: 11
    Alcohol brings joy and sorrow.
    Imaginary joy, real grief.

    A.V. Melnikov

    The film tells about VOLUNTARY alcohol consumption by women and the hard work of Moscow hospitals on the day of the holiday. If a man needs several years to finally sleep, then a woman will have 6-7 months ...

    The cruel truth, isn't it?

    Perhaps this is why the film was not allowed to be shown on the first channel.
  50. +5
    16 October 2015 12: 27
    ______________________
  51. +1
    16 October 2015 12: 37
    Well, guys, it’s coming to you soon! laughing drinks
  52. +1
    16 October 2015 12: 41
    “-I sent my son to study in Europe because he couldn’t sleep
    - So what ?
    “Now I’m treating my son for drugs.”

    you need to fight not with alcohol and people, but with the causes of alcoholism. A person surrounded by care and with a job he loves will not drink.
    Bans will not help and everyone will start making moonshine.
  53. +1
    16 October 2015 12: 43
    _____________________________
  54. +1
    16 October 2015 12: 47
    The author confuses God's gift with scrambled eggs..., for example, I drank, I drink, and I will drink, and my health is good, glory to the Almighty, amin. hi
  55. -1
    16 October 2015 12: 49
    ____________________
  56. +1
    16 October 2015 13: 05
    Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, more often referred to as the Lubavitcher Rebbe, is the 7th and last rebbe of Chabad. One of the most prominent Jewish figures of the XNUMXth century.

    In 1997, he was awarded the highest US award, the Congressional Gold Medal.

    Plan of "God's Chosen"

    Destroy the youth - and you will defeat the nation! This is our motto. We will deprive your society of youth, corrupting them with sex, rock, violence, alcohol, smoking, drugs, that is, we will deprive your society of the future. We will hit the family, destroying it, and reduce childbearing. Hitler was a stupid boy. He acted directly and openly. And they had to do an incredibly big job - burn millions, shoot them, bury them, and the like. He left bloody footprints. We act more cunningly: we will have no traces. To reduce childbearing by at least half means to destroy 2-3 million Russians a year without any physical costs. No need for stoves, cartridges, graves. And there are no traces. Not born. There are no guilty ones either.
  57. +1
    16 October 2015 13: 18
    There is no point in nodding at the mirror if your face is crooked. There will be no stalls, there will be moonshine from under the counter. Apartments where you can buy 0.5. Nobody pours it in, we drink it ourselves. One narcologist, himself a former drunkard, said that 90% drink from idleness, 10% are sick. I drank myself. in 14 days I could drink 7 liters. vodka and 25 “one and a half” of “Hunting” and “Polar Bear”. I crawled for 2 days and couldn’t get up. My legs couldn't hold me up. The dose is lethal. One day my wife said that she had finally figured out what we should do with the foundation that we had laid. We will have a greenhouse: 6x7 m, height 2.8 meters. Growing early strawberries. Profitable business. I'm like crazy. All inclinations towards a “one and a half” vanished completely. (The husband of his wife’s friend in Sevastopol drank heavily, went to an admiral’s post in the Black Sea Fleet, drank. The wife once recorded his drunken delirium on a tape recorder and played it for him. The husband was in shock. He went to get coded. He vomited for 14 hours. He doesn’t touch). Everyone knows the composition “Oh, what a woman, I wish I had one like that...”. And this song is dedicated to a former drunkard and homeless woman who became a successful manager. Remember the film "12" by Mikhalkov. My face will be scarred from fights and “asphalt disease” for the rest of my life. Waking up. Enough.
  58. 0
    16 October 2015 13: 46
    According to the Soviet gradation it was like this:
    - non-drinkers - those who have never drank.
    - light drinkers - those who allowed light drinks on holidays.
    - everyday drunkards - those who never refused, if possible, to drink.
    -alcoholics are those who could no longer live without alcohol.
    In the last years of Soviet power, the majority of the population represented, offensively, the 3rd category...
    What has changed now?
    The majority of people moved away from strong drinks, but got hooked on beer... and we moved into the 2nd category...
    It's not all bad, gentlemen.
  59. +1
    16 October 2015 13: 54
    Maybe it’s enough to “spread rot” on our brother in the morning..? If you don’t understand, don’t write! Real men will understand... hi
  60. 0
    16 October 2015 14: 01
    But it doesn't roll. The topic is on Friday. Like they want to ban the sale of alcohol on Friday and make it a sober day. But there is a GOD in the world. Eat. The Moscow City Duma decided not to introduce a day of sobriety on Friday. Yes, and I read the responses on the Internet - If the sale of alcohol is banned on Friday, what does that mean???? Is a mockery . 90% or so responded. You are apparently from temperance societies, the ones who are writing on the site right now. Like a non-alcoholic wedding, wake?????? We passed. and more than once. Mockery, nothing more. And don't-La-La. If you don't drink, that's fine. Day of sobriety is on Monday-Sunday, for God's sake, but don't touch FRIDAY.
  61. +1
    16 October 2015 14: 11
    I wouldn't refuse it myself. Especially on Friday.
    1. +2
      16 October 2015 15: 21
      Quote: Signaller
      I wouldn't refuse it myself. Especially on Friday.



      Hmm... The State Duma is deciding the issue of banning the sale of alcohol on Fridays...

      People will have to stock up starting Monday...
  62. +2
    16 October 2015 14: 17
    Actually this is on the army website.??:?? Apparently the majority here are people who have NEVER smelled gunpowder. That’s when gunpowder is in your eyes and you’re ready for rubber, well, if you’re still alive, you really want to roll up the People’s Commissar’s, and more than one at a time. But here it’s complete garbage. Personal opinion.
  63. +1
    16 October 2015 15: 34
    Well that's it, it's time "H". The working day is coming to an end. Groups of colleagues huddled and whispering in the corners, a gleam in their eyes and nervous trembling of their fingers. Ringing cell phones from beloved wives, with the question “when will you be there”? It's already started. FRIDAY comes into its own.
  64. +2
    16 October 2015 15: 48
    As my grandmother used to say, you need to be more cunning and not give in to various temptations, of which there are plenty in life. Alas, this principle cannot always be followed. Hard! But we must strive.
    Everyone probably knows what Gorbachev's Prohibition Law led to. It has given rise to an increase in drug addiction. Young people are no longer looking for an extra glass, but for ecstasy and spice. Degradation from these drugs occurs so quickly that the time it takes for a binge alcoholic to finally become an alcoholic is in no way comparable to the time allotted to a drug addict. Some, however, combine.
    Personally, today’s anti-alcohol campaign worries me because it is gradually sliding into the mainstream of Gorbachev’s. And its surges occur at certain times of the year. Could this be due to the fact that the opium poppy is growing in Afghanistan?
  65. +1
    16 October 2015 15: 59
    Well, here we go guys...))) laughing
  66. 0
    16 October 2015 16: 04
    Quote: nov_tech.vrn
    but reasonable restrictions are simply necessary, from this point of view, closing the sharashkas is a positive action

    Why was alcohol sold in the USSR from 11 o'clock? Because at that time the body had the maximum level of the enzyme that decomposes alcohol. This was established based on the results of research by the USSR Ministry of Health. And who, in this case, thought more about the health of the people - the USSR authorities or the current anti-people ones? The answer, in my opinion, is obvious. The “Russians” are ready to do anything for an extra penny in their pocket “here and now”.
  67. 0
    16 October 2015 17: 18
    Bans alone will not solve the problem.
    We need to instill in people a dislike for drunkenness. And, as has already been said, raising the standard of living does not make people become alcoholics out of great happiness.
  68. 0
    16 October 2015 18: 20
    For some reason they are specifically targeting us for alcohol. The last time I saw a drunk lying around was about ten years ago. Nowadays they practically don’t drink at work, like in the old days. Yes, they drink on holidays, but not until the end of the day. According to observation, they began to drink much less. And for us tinder, which is more. The author is wise, or they pay well for such articles. And what is most surprising is that all such authors put us in first place in drinking, although even at the world level, at the suggestion of our “Western” partners, we have long been far from first places. This means it is beneficial for someone to make us consider ourselves drunks.
  69. 0
    16 October 2015 19: 50
    And an article on such a topic on Friday is just a coincidence or what?..., oh, by the way, today is FRIDAY!!! wassat
  70. +2
    16 October 2015 20: 26
    Now, if we are going to voice the truth, the uterus should be voiced in the wrong way.

    The main problem is the unnaturalness of food, alcohol, cigarettes and even meat.
    1- alcohol - no one complies with any state regulations, one thing is bad, and both a bottle bought for 5 thousand rubles in an expensive store, and the same bottle bought in a gateway (with the same stickers and seals) for 300 rubles. Bought and compared - no what difference does it make at all? The scourge of the season - pamphuritics, hawthorn and other pure poisons - are sold completely freely. Here, a month ago, one neighbor died for 30 years, drank a couple of these hawthorn minzurki and his stomach burned (it burned out with holes) cool.

    2- tobacco is very important (I’ve been smoking for 25 years) but this is just some kind of mockery, there is no tobacco in cigarettes at all. I tried growing my own tobacco, it’s just like white and black, it doesn’t even compare in any way. This is just sabotage, people are being bullied stupidly. What is this fight against smoking? through killing smokers?

    3- meat... people have forgotten the taste of real meat, honestly, no one remembers, it’s not supposed to be like that. Today I just slaughtered a wild boar, fried it, called all my relatives (lazy people living in apartments). But in order to get such meat, animals must be fed grain, not feed with chemical antibiotics, but simple clean meat. This is not profitable for the manufacturer, which is why no one feeds it like that (even import substitution)

    Such cases
  71. GDV
    0
    16 October 2015 22: 35
    Everything that is held in high esteem by man is an abomination before God.
    Booze kills the soul.
  72. 0
    17 October 2015 04: 58
    treatment of alcoholism should cease to be a business. Fitting disulfiram drugs should be free and widespread. The method is quite effective, 30-40%, after a year of abstinence from alcohol, stop drinking altogether. Only it must be used on a voluntary-compulsory basis.
  73. 0
    19 October 2015 09: 12
    Let them lower food prices first! Milk starts from 50 rubles, and a bottle of beer costs 35 rubles.....and is this normal???