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How alcohol beats the country

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I did not intend to write a big article. Not because the topic is not relevant, but just the opposite. Only the lazy did not speak about the problem of drunkenness and alcoholism. The media almost daily report victories over the Green Serpent. On new approaches and other nonsense.


How alcohol beats the country


In earnest, they are discussing the revival of the sobering-up stations. Serious people from different departments and public organizations argue about the benefits or harms of alcohol. Police generals, together with the police, talk about the need to fight. Doctors cite death figures. In short, the struggle in full.

I do not refuse a glass or another brandy in good company with a sinful affair. Yes, and stronger can use. But in the company and under a good snack. Therefore, not a supporter of prohibitions. Nonsense all this. When people are going to drink, have a snack, they can buy as much alcohol as they need. And then, in the course of the play, if possible, and run a couple of times.

The re-education of alcoholics looks even more stupid. Those who drink a lot, often do not really bother with the quality of the drink. It is suitable, for example, "hawthorn tincture". Cheap and angry. And tell them about the dangers of this tincture is about the same as hammering a concrete wall with your own forehead. The effect will be the same. Headache. And not for the educated, but for you.

The replica will be about something else. On the state approach to this issue.

I will not refer to statistics and other official. It's all right there. Just personal impressions of your own city. And the impressions, to put it bluntly, are not very.

More recently, we were outraged by the presence of many small markets and shops, where they sold not always high-quality products. How many materials were devoted to this. People are killed by expired products! Chinese goods give out for European brands! Buyers are cheated, hung, cheated.

And the authorities have heard! They listened for a long time, and ... it would be better to have remained deaf.

I don’t know how it is in other cities, but this is how it is with us. I specifically walked in my own neighborhood. And you know, mini-markets closed! But instead of them, the liquor stores and draft beer shops opened. I now have four Red and White stores, two Fragrant worlds, and three Grapes around a kilometer away. And this while preserving wine and vodka departments in "Magnets", "Victory", "Tapes" and other chain stores. And so this good in general is a dime a dozen.

But that's not all. There are also more beer shops. In some places, these pubs stand in 100-200 meters. And they trade perfectly for everyone. This is not vodka. This is a beer. The students are sitting, the Alconauts are sitting, the girls are young - and they are sitting with beer "one and a half". Yes, and stocks. Buy 2 liters and get a liter for free! Sellers hit the spot. In favor

There is a struggle, but there is an imitation of the struggle. And this imitation is much worse. It is better to do nothing than to educate liars. And on the example of the state. It is better not to fight than to fight, spreading poison almost all the way around the apartment.

Why is the extra ruble of taxes for local authorities more important than the lives of those who choose these authorities? Maybe because for the life of a person no one but the person himself is responsible? Doctors? They receive already "finished product". The fact that once was quite able-bodied person. Police? No dead body - no case. Governor or Mayor? We rule. And the solution of such issues is not our business.

So who is responsible for what young people drink? Who is responsible for the fact that in the pharmacies of these penny tinctures - the sea? Whose fault is that I constantly stumble upon beautiful shops with wine, vodka, beer? Cigarettes now buy "in the dark." No windows or price tags. Just the inscription: "There are cigarettes." Asked - tell and sell. But colorful bottles - see. They are harmless.

We can say that no one is forcing anyone. And it is. And to force anyone and not necessary. It is enough to create conditions when it is not necessary to bother yourself to realize the temptation. And then you can talk as much as you need about the "sobering up" of the nation, but the closest "beer house" is at the entrance.

Of course, this does not apply to people who have "settled down" and with a sober approach. But in order to "settle down", a person needs to live 30-40 for years, and live without burdening herself with a nipple attached to a beer bottle. Or even some temptation.
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  1. Barboskin
    Barboskin 16 October 2015 05: 50 New
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    Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 16 October 2015 05: 54 New
      65
      Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because they drink too much from “grayness” and hopelessness and just get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process and consequences are different ...
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 16 October 2015 06: 09 New
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        Quote: Bosk
        Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because they drink too much from “grayness” and hopelessness and just get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process and consequences are different ...

        I agree with you. Does the author propose restricting the sale of alcohol? Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback? The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education, the ability to realize oneself, from social justice finally ...
        PS
        The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....
        1. Throw
          Throw 16 October 2015 06: 19 New
          23
          Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.
          Who does not agree, they can give their children water. Do not drink? That's it ..

          The trouble is that this is a gold mine for traders. Hence the advertising, the image of "expensive" wines, the "culture" of drinking, the action "sucked one or the other into a bonus" ..

          And "cultural consumers" are the most dangerous propagandists of drunkenness. Any drunk began precisely with the "cultural" ..
          1. Very old
            Very old 16 October 2015 06: 34 New
            21
            To be or not to be Olkash - everyone chooses for himself
            And the choice does not depend on the ban, agitation ... and other things
            Education, quality of life, and much more determines the choice
            1. BMW
              BMW 16 October 2015 07: 41 New
              39
              Quote: Old very
              Education, quality of life, and much more determines the choice

              This is yes.
              Quote: Old very
              everyone chooses for themselves
              And the choice does not depend on the ban, agitation ... and other things

              Nonsense is complete. Very much depends.
              Diesel engineers slipped me on vacation masters, they used but not critically. One shot came in the morning from a deep budun, and from lunch it was a very complicated rigging, put a diesel engine in, every couple rue on the account, sent him to sleep, tracked. But at lunchtime he drove into the trash, I removed him. In the evening I designed the paper and OK. The next day, everything was carried to my mind, right down to the director. I got mine, they kicked him out with a bolt. After that, the diesel engines looked at me, but for three months that I was making them, no one drank, they didn’t even come from a hangover, though when the master came out, everything was back to square one. I met this shot six years later, thanked me, went to college, got married, although at first I wanted to beat my face.
              I mean what, punishment is a very significant incentive, and the whole trouble is from indifference and indifference. The expression that "everyone chooses his own path" is simply criminal. I say this on the basis of a lot of experience, and the authorities still have to prove that you are not a ram and not a pest when you are drunk.
              So, this is our scourge and we must fight it in every way. Sincerely. hi
              1. Very old
                Very old 16 October 2015 09: 47 New
                +8
                A similar case - no one came, just "in the trash"
                I say: write on your own.
                He: the chief, if you notice again, will put on the SKBU!
                And how it took off with his hand - it was a MAN!
              2. brn521
                brn521 16 October 2015 10: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: bmw
                One shot came in the morning from a deep budun, and from lunch it was very difficult rigging, put a diesel engine in, each pair rue

                Big risk. If something happened at the workplace with this shot, the article would be given to the authorities.
                1. BMW
                  BMW 16 October 2015 15: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: brn521
                  Big risk. If something happened at the workplace with this shot, the article would be given to the authorities.

                  No bosses, yes, as a master, yes.
                  Suspended - well done, fired - bastard, throwing shots.
              3. Igor Polovodov
                Igor Polovodov 17 October 2015 00: 04 New
                0
                yes ... the obsolete word "scourge" ...
                all right said!
          2. BMW
            BMW 16 October 2015 06: 45 New
            12
            Quote: Lance
            Alcohol is poison and a drug.

            I absolutely agree. hi
            Quote: Lance
            And should be banned.

            In the long run, yes. But sharply forbid, is that a dead poultice. There will be underground moonshining. It is difficult to win by force, if only every morning everyone is forced to donate blood for analysis, and even then they get out, they switch to chemistry. An example of the fight against drugs, and ineffective. Here we need a subtle psychological approach and propaganda, and the result will only come in one or two generations. We need a systematic approach, without any wiggles and concessions. Plus, toughening penalties for an offense in a state of intoxication, and not mythical half a year by the deadline, but simply a real doubling or tripling from a possible maximum under the article and without the right to parole or amnesty. And now, aggravating does not work and is purely declarative.
            Quote: Lance
            And "cultural consumers" are the most dangerous propagandists of drunkenness. Any drunk began precisely with the "cultural" ..

            That's for sure, and such an approach is the root of evil and unacceptable. drinks Do not get it wrong. repeat
          3. atalef
            atalef 16 October 2015 06: 54 New
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            Quote: Lance
            alcohol is a poison and a drug. And should be banned.
            Who does not agree, they can give their children water. Do not drink? That's it ..

            In small doses, any poison is a cure

            Quote: Lance
            The trouble is that this is a gold mine for traders. Hence the advertising, the image of "expensive" wines, the "culture" of drinking, the action "sucked one or the other into a bonus" ..

            Yes, there are no problems in alcohol.
            Neither in wine, nor in cognac, nor in vodka (maybe in beer, and probably because I don’t drink it laughing )
            Well, I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and have a drink.
            No need to be so categorical, my daughter is a vegetarian, she always proves to me the same thing that meat is poison.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 16 October 2015 07: 15 New
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              Quote: atalef
              Well, I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and have a drink.

              The Indians of America did not see the same problems with fiery water, and where are they now?


              Fifth priority for common humanity controls - weapons of genocide
              "... our culture from childhood invites a person to choose either lie No. 1 - to use various dope in moderation, or lie No. 2 - without measure ..." As a hunchback said, the main thing is to start and the process will go ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 16 October 2015 07: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                The Indians of America did not see the same problems with alcohol, and where are they now?

                Well, the pig will always find dirt. I wonder why the whites did not drink too much, and the Indians, yes. Of course now you tell me TV about the predisposition and lack of an enzyme for the dissolution of alcohol, but if 300 years ago. The Indians did not know about it. then what the hell are they thumping on black now? Watched these descendants of Chingangchuk in Canada laughing
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 16 October 2015 07: 39 New
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                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, the pig will always find dirt.

                  Pigs are not born - they become pigs.
                  However, before the colonizers arrived, the Indians had never heard of such a potion ...


                  I do not mind the use of alcohol by your relatives. That's just do not touch our children.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 16 October 2015 07: 46 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well, the pig will always find dirt.

                    Pigs are not born - they become pigs.
                    However, before the colonizers arrived, the Indians had never heard of such a potion ...


                    I do not mind the use of alcohol by your relatives. That's just do not touch our children.

                    Yes, I don’t mind the same, look, like the alcohol is the same, but what are the different consequences
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 16 October 2015 07: 55 New
                      +5
                      Quote: atalef
                      like alcohol is the same, but what are the different consequences

                      The consequences are always the same - complete degradation of the individual.

                      1. atalef
                        atalef 16 October 2015 08: 23 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: atalef
                        like alcohol is the same, but what are the different consequences

                        The consequences are always the same - complete degradation of the individual.


                        Fundamentally disagree.
                      2. Boris55
                        Boris55 16 October 2015 09: 01 New
                        +3
                        Quote: atalef
                        Fundamentally disagree.

                        So that in your house from the tap without drying out instead of water, pure alcohol flows! hi
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 16 October 2015 10: 02 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: atalef
                        Fundamentally disagree.

                        So that in your house from the tap without drying out instead of water, pure alcohol flows! hi

                        thanks of course, why?
                        I have a pretty decent bar and there is no lack of good alcohol
                        Of course, the exotic in the form of alcohol from all the taps in the house is interesting, but I would rather use the Korvoisier and from only one.
                      4. Mahmut
                        Mahmut 16 October 2015 10: 15 New
                        10
                        In the 80s they drank several times more than now and drank harder, to death. Neither a small number of outlets, nor the lack of advertising and colorful labels, nor the state saved. monopoly, neither the abundance of detoxification, nor the Gorbachev decree. So the author did not convince me absolutely. He mixed up cause and effect. And the bottom line is that the main reason for reducing alcohol consumption in the affordability of a personal car is for everyone that was not there before. Plus, many young people went into virtual reality, and not into alcohol. Since people began to drink less, the merchants, in order not to go broke, had to move the loaves, advertise goods, improve accessibility, any discounts on the promotion, and so on. It was the decline in demand, especially for strong alcohol, and not the disinterested desire to drink their own population that led to the described changes.
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 October 2015 10: 37 New
                        +8
                        Quote: Mahmut
                        In the 80s they drank several times more,

                        In the 90s, when after prohibition, they began to import alcohol into the country at a price below cost. Remember the "Royal"? From my point of view, people were specifically "pulled" by dry law, and then they were released as a stretched elastic, filling up with almost free alcohol. Well-designed and planned diversion.
                      6. skifd
                        skifd 16 October 2015 12: 46 New
                        10
                        Quote: Mahmut
                        In the 80's, they drank several times more than now and drank harder, to death.


                        What was it ..?? But who is this ... ..you .. He said ?? !!! 90 years, this was a terrifying alcohol nightmare - drinking, poisoning, dying while drunk, killed in a drunken stupor - all this happened thanks to the liberalization of laws regarding the production and sale of alcohol! Vigil, the "victorious tread of democracy"! What, not one b .. grandmother knew what this would lead to ?? !! They knew everything perfectly and counted on just that. Firstly, one of the methods of “accumulating initial capital”, and secondly, “distracting” a large part of the population from “pressing problems” .. Like “privatization” and much more, everything was calculated to a certain extent, enough, and always was enough competent analysts who can predict the consequences. Only now, please do not talk about the "conspiracy theory", ridiculous. And about the "nightmare drunkenness of 80's" you do not need to fill it with those who can compare what was then and what has resulted now. 80-e - "children's party" in comparison with the ugly "binge" of 90's. And at the moment, the country is in the best case experiencing a severe hangover, it will turn out to get out of it or not, I would like to know. Unfortunately, the authorities have not yet seen any real attempts to at least do something for this.
                      7. onizhe
                        onizhe 16 October 2015 21: 03 New
                        +4
                        I agree. I remember when leaving home in 1984 I always watched a couple - three alcoholics, resting in the snowdrifts. And general employment did not interfere with alcoholization. Get drunk at work. Before entering the institute, I worked at a meat factory. A sober locksmith could be seen only in the early morning. In those days, in general, a bottle was considered a measure of labor assessment during off-hours.
                    2. Archon
                      Archon 16 October 2015 14: 30 New
                      0
                      for a chemist it's just a holiday!
                    3. kizhe
                      kizhe 16 October 2015 16: 14 New
                      +2
                      Fear God. After all, he will die of thirst. It’s not in vain that they say: “Don’t drink too much, you’ll hang all of the water.”
          4. satris
            satris 16 October 2015 15: 58 New
            +2
            Do they know now? I once read the “decoding” of the biochemistry of ethanol consumption by different peoples: in the human body, ethanol is first oxidized by one enzyme to acetic aldehyde. Therefore, often among representatives of the Mongoloid race, the skin quickly and easily reddens after taking alcohol, and intoxication itself sometimes introduces an element of discomfort. Further, further oxidation of the aldehyde takes place - ultimately to carbon dioxide and water. This is another enzyme involved. For Europeans, it works better than the first, so they have longer alcohol in the blood, but there is no hangover. But the Slavs BOTH enzyme work to the maximum, so they can drink more, and do not get poisoned.
            1. onizhe
              onizhe 16 October 2015 21: 30 New
              +2
              I do not know about the simultaneous operation of both enzymes, but under the high tolerance of Western peoples to alcohol there is a very substantial basis. The fact is that in the Middle Ages the soil was fertilized exclusively with shit, including and human, so drinking water, where all this fertilizer flowed down, was a deadly occupation. In the West, this problem was solved by the use of beer, and for the upper classes - wine. We went the other way, invented kvass. There is almost no alcohol in it, and therefore there has not been a historical habit of drinking alcohol. And when they immediately faced the whole arsenal of alcohol products, they were genetically not ready for this.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 16 October 2015 10: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: Boris55
          The Indians of America did not see the same problems with fiery water, and where are they now?

          Indians, like our northern peoples, have no immunity to alcohol, which is why they get drunk so quickly. Genetic feature. hi
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 05 New
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        In small doses, any poison is a cure

        Take feces in homoeopathic doses ... you may not be repeating stupid things.
        1. atalef
          atalef 16 October 2015 08: 12 New
          13
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Quote: atalef
          In small doses, any poison is a cure

          Take feces in homoeopathic doses ... you may not be repeating stupid things.

          say no healthy people, there are unexplored hi
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 17 New
            -2
            Quote: atalef
            say no healthy people, there are unexplored hi

            You repeated another stupid thing. wink

            So what about feces in small doses? wassat
            1. atalef
              atalef 16 October 2015 08: 24 New
              -1
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Quote: atalef
              say no healthy people, there are unexplored hi

              You repeated another stupid thing. wink

              So what about feces in small doses? wassat

              Another nonsense and verbiage hi
              1. BMW
                BMW 16 October 2015 08: 33 New
                +5
                Quote: atalef
                Another nonsense and verbiage

                Such a competent person, whose comments I always read with pleasure hi , and the first time you can’t answer (without banter, this is a rebuke). crying
                1. atalef
                  atalef 16 October 2015 10: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: bmw
                  Quote: atalef
                  Another nonsense and verbiage

                  Such a competent person, whose comments I always read with pleasure hi , and the first time you can’t answer (without banter, this is a rebuke). crying

                  Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease
                2. BMW
                  BMW 16 October 2015 13: 30 New
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease

                  Cognac, forgot to recover, sir? wassat
                3. atalef
                  atalef 16 October 2015 13: 38 New
                  +3
                  Quote: bmw
                  Quote: atalef
                  Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease

                  Cognac, forgot to recover, sir? wassat

                  Since morning ? belay
                  for cognac there is a Friday (evening), rarely Saturday (Sunday we have a working day).
                  Everything should be high. Good company, snack, without this, what's the point?
                4. BMW
                  BMW 16 October 2015 14: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Since morning ?

                  So after all
                  Quote: atalef
                  there was an accident

                  и
                  Quote: atalef
                  lose ..... lightness

                  so it should help, or no crying taboo? After all, there is a good company, and with your wealth, snack is not a problem. Or everything is strict and only:
                  Quote: atalef
                  friday (evening), rarely saturday

                  Then Romanov seduces you, oh he am
                5. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 17: 19 New
                  +4
                  Quote: bmw
                  Then Romanov seduces you, oh he am

                  Whoever seduces, the result is one.

            2. Throw
              Throw 16 October 2015 14: 48 New
              +6
              atalef
              In small doses, any poison is a cure

              Start with small doses of heroin.
              And splash your little ones fifty dollars.
              So as not to breed.

              In general, Hitler also prescribed tobacco and alcohol to destroy the nation, so I understand the Jesuit position of the Jewish "partners" ...
            3. atalef
              atalef 16 October 2015 15: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Lance
              Start with small doses of heroin.

              Kill the beaver - save the tree.
              don't go to extremes.

              Quote: Lance
              And splash your little ones fifty dollars.

              My son tried alcohol for the first time at the age of 18. At home, I poured him and it was Courvoisier.
              Better at home and the right things than in the gateway.
              Quote: Lance
              In general, Hitler also prescribed tobacco and alcohol to destroy the nation, so I understand the Jesuit position of the Jewish "partners" ...

              Jews have drunk Russia. Nothing else can be heard from you.
              So that would not doubt, pissed porches - this is the same our work.
            4. Throw
              Throw 16 October 2015 17: 17 New
              +8
              I will not say for all Jews, but I see how one here advocates alcoholism.

              Why didn’t the son pour in 8 years or months? BUT?!

              A person taking drugs is an addict taking alcohol - an alcoholic. "Cultural" there, "moderate", "courvosier" - not the essence. The same addict.

              It is necessary to call such things by their proper names. A "halftone" from the evil one ..
            5. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 17: 27 New
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Better at home and the right things than in the gateway.

              Better nowhere and nothing.

      3. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 17: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Returned from the night (there was an accident), we lose former ease

        But is it the consequences of consumption? laughing

  2. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 53 New
    +8
    Quote: atalef
    Another nonsense and verbiage hi

    QUALITY poison differs from Poor quality in that it kills faster. hi
  • Very old
    Very old 16 October 2015 09: 25 New
    0
    Have you tried it?
    And what are the sensations?
    Share your impressions
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Old very
      Have you tried it?
      And what are the sensations?
      Share your impressions

      You ask that what speaks about drug poisoning. laughing
      1. Throw
        Throw 16 October 2015 15: 05 New
        +3
        By the way, about feces.
        Alcohol is poop bacteria. They spoil with alcohols, devouring sugar.

        So have a nice courvosier!
        laughing
      2. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 15: 26 New
        -2
        Quote: Lance
        By the way, about feces. Alcohol is poop bacteria. They spoil with alcohols, devouring sugar. So enjoy the curvosier!

        A head is needed to eat there hi
      3. Throw
        Throw 16 October 2015 17: 39 New
        +1
        That's it.
        And you pour poison there.
        And also advise others ... fool
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 16 October 2015 10: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Take feces in homoeopathic doses.

    Is feces poison? Bees (propolis) ONLY a cure. But if the conversation turned to alcohol, then I still agree with Atalef - in moderate doses, only benefit.
    It is necessary to tighten alcohol consumption by young people, finally forcing sellers to comply with the ban on the sale of alcohol to minors, and limit the sale of fanfuriks. And then they sell at every kiosk. This is from the prohibitions. And globally, it is necessary to improve the standard of living, as many plump from social disorder.
    To myself - I love alcohol, and I understand it. I drink regularly, a little, and only for food. Dumplings without 100 grams - not dumplings, like a generally good table without alcohol. You need to know the measure, and there will be a medicine and not poison. hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 10: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      ro myself - I love alcohol, and I understand it. I drink regularly, a little, and only for food. Dumplings without 100 grams - not dumplings, like a generally good table without alcohol. You need to know the measure, and there will be a medicine and not poison.

      like hi drinks
    2. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 16 October 2015 12: 51 New
      +2
      Immediately, I note a decrease in alcohol consumption. According to the crones, which only the grave will save, and then the people have become less tolerant of them, well, these will all die someday. Two sabotage carried out against the population is noted by everyone - the first thoughtless ban of Gorbachev, - the second permissiveness of Yeltsin. At a minimum, some conclusions can be drawn. It is impossible to achieve progress with total prohibitions, but reasonable restrictions are simply necessary, from this point of view, closing sharashka is a positive action, large retailing, it’s much easier to control, well, here cards are in hand, restrictive measures must be in place, not to sell to adolescents even later in the day, something already depends on us here, don’t buy to youngsters, make a comment if it’s already time, and the special department is not closed. And about these brewing establishments, I’m also outraged to the extreme, I remember such disgraces were forbidden in apartment buildings, here’s the question of generosity " beer lobby "and the greed of local officials, and then, residents of the house in which the viper is located can drive him out.
      I do not attribute myself to militant teetotalers, but I definitely will not die from alcohol and the diseases accompanying it.
    3. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 18: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Is feces poison?

      Moreover, I am sure of that. laughing

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Bees (Propolis)

      Who told you that propolis is feces ??? laughing laughing laughing
      Propolis is an adhesive made up of resinous substances collected by bees from plants. yes

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      in moderate doses, only benefit.

      What is the measure in grams per kilogram of body weight? request

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Need to tighten

      Prohibition, this is our everything! wink

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      To myself - I love alcohol, and I understand it

      Could not say, this is already clear from the previous words. lol

      You are addicted, uncle.

  • Very old
    Very old 16 October 2015 09: 19 New
    +1
    Choght, just living is already harmful - there are so many pitfalls ...
    But we live and will live!
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 10: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Old very
      Choght, just living is already harmful - there are so many pitfalls ...
      But we live and will live!

      It’s harmful to live a priori, because they die from it wassat
  • VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 10: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and have a drink.

    Does apple cake for tea with honey no longer impress?
    I don’t see any problem to sit down with friends and not drink. Rather, drink the same Ivan-tea with a honey. Yes, eat the same stuffed cabbage, the same pilaf in the company.
  • satris
    satris 16 October 2015 15: 44 New
    0
    "Alcohol in small doses is useful in unlimited quantities."
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 19: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: satris
      "Alcohol in small doses is useful in unlimited quantities."

      Actually, here ...

  • Slobber
    Slobber 16 October 2015 07: 57 New
    +5
    Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.

    It is also necessary to ban any tobacco, use of the Internet. Coffee must also be banned. Caffeine is a terrible poison and drug that puts mortality from diseases of the circulatory system in the first place.
    And of course, bread should be banned. Did everyone forget the study, according to the results of which it was found out that 100% of people who tried bread - died!
    1. Very old
      Very old 16 October 2015 09: 34 New
      +2
      И что же?
      From this minute - I can’t breathe
      All breathing - dead
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 16 October 2015 10: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Old very
        All breathing - dead


        No, a little bit wrong ... All now breathing and living are the future dead ... So now, do not live ???
      2. brn521
        brn521 16 October 2015 10: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Old very
        So what? From now on - I can’t breathe, All breathing - deceased

        Late. Even at birth it was necessary to think about it. And now the body is hooked tight.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 16 October 2015 10: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: razgildyay
      Caffeine is a terrible poison and drug



      I forgot tea ... Tannin even surpasses caffeine in some ways ...

      In general, guys, you do not need to bring this polemic to madness and go to extremes ...

      PS By the way, there, at the top, I did not get in, but I would like to ask Vsedofeni, who interrogated Atalef with poop-feces: And what, feces refer to poison in at least one dictionary or reference book ??? This question is just out of curiosity ...
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 17 October 2015 06: 49 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        In general, guys, you do not need to bring this polemic to madness and go to extremes ...

        I agree. Introduce prohibition and close the problem once and for all.
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 17 October 2015 07: 07 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        And what, feces belong to poison in at least one dictionary or reference book ??? This question is just out of curiosity ...

        Not only is ethanol poisonous to you?
        Or should it be proved by sophisticated methods that the use of poisons is unacceptable and why exactly?

        The problem of people is that they (we) drag everything that is not pinned into their mouths, living on the principle that everything is useful, that it gets into the mouth. This is sorrow from the mind.
    3. papas-57
      papas-57 16 October 2015 12: 01 New
      0
      '' Still need to ban any tobacco, use of the Internet. Coffee must also be banned. Caffeine is a terrible poison and drug that puts mortality from diseases of the circulatory system in the first place.
      And of course, bread should be banned. Did everyone forget the study, according to the results of which it was found out that 100% of the people who tried the bread died! '' And also forbid breathing, because there is no normal air in cities. We breathe some muck.
      1. Signaller
        Signaller 16 October 2015 15: 13 New
        0
        Still slipped ???? The party said-the people answered-IS. Good luck.
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  • stas52
    stas52 16 October 2015 09: 01 New
    +2
    We have illegal drugs. Are there fewer drug addicts? On the contrary, we observe their growth. You said correctly ziqzaq, you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: stas52
      you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall

      Define a standard of living to speak clearly.
      1. stas52
        stas52 16 October 2015 09: 33 New
        +7
        For children and youth, the revival of the houses of pioneers, with free sections and circles, may be called differently, but you understood the essence. For adults, ideally, you need a well-paid favorite work (almost impossible), confidence in the future, free gyms and sections (modern fitness centers, not everyone will pull), etc.
        Well, as well as promoting healthy lifestyle, just not like that: Don’t drink, don’t smoke and you will be healthy. Need to offer something in return for such a free time. But on TV now we have only: Smoking is not cool, drinking is bad. Yes, people themselves understand what is bad. What in return?
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 16: 44 New
          +1
          Ok, I realized the standard of living. this is a freebie with high income. So?
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 17 October 2015 08: 55 New
          0
          Quote: stas52
          Smoking is not cool, drinking is bad. Yes, people themselves understand what is bad. What in return?

          Judging by the question, “What in return?”, They don’t understand.
          If you do not understand how a sober and healthy life differs from a drunk and unhealthy one, I think that any arguments will be incomprehensible to you. fool
      2. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 10: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Quote: stas52
        you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall

        Define a standard of living to speak clearly.

        This is when everyone gives a damn about the price of alcohol or not. wassat
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 17 October 2015 17: 22 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          This is when everyone gives a damn about whether the price of alcohol increased or not wassat

          I won’t tell you about all of them, but I don’t give a damn about the price of your alcohol.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 16 October 2015 10: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: stas52
      Correctly said ziqzaq, you need to change the standard of living, then the number of drug addicts and alcoholics will fall.



      And what, in Holland the standard of living of the population is even lower than ours ???

      PS Yes, and a number of Western countries, too ...
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 17 October 2015 17: 20 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        And what, in Holland the standard of living of the population is even lower than ours ???

        PS Yes, and a number of Western countries, too ...

        Are you asking about the standard of living or about the level of consumption?
  • Anatoly_1959
    Anatoly_1959 16 October 2015 13: 38 New
    +3
    any drunk started from school. cultural consumption is when you drink a glass of good wine in a pleasant company, and not a way to promote and further involve someone else in alcoholism. so it turns out that the alternative is either drunkenness or cultural consumption. people, with the exception of sobriety fanatics, simply don’t drink, a person lives in a society where drinking is the norm. Moreover, in all cultures where even religious prohibitions do not apply. the main thing: wine is a food product, therefore, as with other products you need to know the measure. but vodka and another company from this series is an absolute evil, purely for dope.
  • satris
    satris 16 October 2015 15: 39 New
    +1
    Ethyl alcohol is produced in the human body (during physical exertion) and is very useful for the normal functioning of the body. However, starting from a certain age, the amount of alcohol produced by the human body itself is inevitably reduced. Therefore, to compensate for age-related losses, drinking alcohol - after 40-50 years - is a factor normalizing the individual’s abilities. Poelik ... no need to cut everyone under one comb. At 19-20 it is better not to drink, and after 50-60 you can not drink. My uncle still lives in Odessa, he is 93 years old. And at 60 he regularly 50 gr. vodka in the morning, at lunch and in the evening. Now, however, less, only at lunch and only wine, but 100-150 gr. - Also, probably, the biochemistry of the body has changed. So do not forbid anything, even if you are an abstinence. There are, for example, vegetarians, so they would also like to ban the use of meat. Do you agree with them? Me not. And, I think, many will support me. We had a peasant in our village, as he put it this way: "To hell with me, anyway meat!"
  • jktu66
    jktu66 16 October 2015 19: 36 New
    +1
    Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.
    Fair. But. It’s also a business, very profitable, unfortunately sad And we still have to pay the dogo with our lives, brains, money and the health of future generations sad
  • bastard
    bastard 16 October 2015 22: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Lance
    Alcohol is poison and a drug. And should be banned.
    Who does not agree, they can give their children water. Do not drink? That's it ..

    In any living organism, the so-called endogenous alcohol or alcohol (ethyl) is produced.
    There are two types of endogenous alcohol:
    1. Ethanol, which is produced in minimal amounts in the body as a result of cell metabolism. Its quantity is negligible, but plays a huge role in the metabolic process of cells, in particular, in oxygen metabolism.
    2. Endogenous alcohol physiological. It is formed as a result of fermentation of carbohydrates in the gastrointestinal tract. This is the second form of ethanol, it is processed in the liver and is characterized by a large number. Since it is produced by fermentation of products obtained from the outside, and not produced directly in the cells, such alcohol is considered conditionally endogenous.
    Natural alcohol is involved in the regulation of cell membrane permeability, in the metabolism of dopamine, serotonin, norepinephrine, and the synthesis of endorphins (morphine-like substances). It should be noted that the frequent and excessive use of alcoholic beverages stops the natural production of these hormones that are important for humans, hence metabolic disorders in alcoholism and post-alcohol depressive states.
    Ethyl alcohol, as a source of energy, is involved in the adaptive processes of the body, softens stress reactions and helps withstand shocks. In other words, natural ethyl alcohol is active precisely in those situations when it is “customary” to drink to calm the nervous system. Natural alcohol is usually quite sufficient to control the situation. An additional method accelerates the reaction, has a sedative effect, but reduces the body's natural stress resistance.
    Eating foods high in carbohydrates provokes an increase in the natural production of ethyl alcohol.
    Diseases such as diabetes mellitus, certain types of chronic diseases of the liver and kidneys, nervous system, chronic obstructive bronchitis also increase blood alcohol levels.
    Prolonged hypoxia, lack of oxygen also leads to serious increases in alcohol content (equivalent to taking 100-200 g of vodka).
    Hypothermia, stressful situation, physical activity, physical pain, shock conditions, all this causes a strong consumption of ethanol and leads to a decrease in its level in the blood.
    PS: I myself sometimes use small doses
    "Only the one who drinks vitamins will survive to death" (C)
    Opinion of Dr. Biol. Sciences, prof. Saveliev S. In:
  • domokl
    domokl 16 October 2015 06: 39 New
    15
    Quote: ziqzaq
    The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education,

    sad But I live right among the three universities. Within a kilometer radius. And students drink oh how .. We never dreamed of this ... Maybe education has nothing to do with it?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 06: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      . And students drink oh how ..

      come on! students drink ??? pour more! This can not be! laughing
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 October 2015 06: 54 New
        +3
        soldier Andrey, do not undermine my authority laughing And then you have to spite the article of a horse with a yak to pour from the morning laughing
      2. evil partisan
        evil partisan 16 October 2015 08: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        This can not be!
        I confirm yes. We, physics students, avoided all liquor stores in the 80s. yes We haven’t even heard about alcohol request ! Only study and self-study 24 hours a day. soldier
        Hello wimp! drinks
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 08: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: wicked partisan
          wimp!

          Choi then ??? belay what
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: wicked partisan
          Only study and self-study 24 hours a day. soldier

          The slide rule helps you.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 09: 02 New
            +3
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            The slide rule helps you.

            what for ruler at night? what
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              what for ruler at night? what

              Always count, count everywhere, count and no nails, or maybe count nails ... laughing
            2. atalef
              atalef 16 October 2015 10: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              The slide rule helps you.

              what for ruler at night? what

              What do you mean why? and how to measure pussy?
              Hi Andrew!
              1. BMW
                BMW 16 October 2015 14: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                But how do we pee?

                Yes you are a maniac !!! am Then it’s clear why they brought c-cc as an argument. lol
                1. Throw
                  Throw 16 October 2015 20: 24 New
                  0
                  Well, if the term is an integral, then yes, only a logarithmic will help laughing

                  And why is the word "sex" prohibited from use on the site? No need to be shy like what they measure in the cold)) It is necessary to use and apply))
        3. Very old
          Very old 16 October 2015 09: 50 New
          +1
          And preference to the third cocks dry Op-plya!
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 16 October 2015 10: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: Old very
            And preference to the third cocks dry Op-plya!



            What kind of monsters gathered ...

            PS We are in the 70s, humanly, for the 9th, 10th and for the minuscule, and no more than a basin ... Is it really a booze ???
      3. Very old
        Very old 16 October 2015 09: 37 New
        +3
        I finished two. On occasion, I’ll tell you how they didn’t drink, their faces turned away
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      Maybe education has nothing to do with it?

      Could it be the example set by the older generation and youth series?
    3. Reducer
      Reducer 16 October 2015 09: 06 New
      +1
      Just as there is no god in the temple, so there is no education in our universities!
  • Kazakh
    Kazakh 16 October 2015 07: 48 New
    +8
    Quote: ziqzaq
    The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ..

    Alcohol is the same drug as a culture of consumption can be. The problem is not heroin but the culture of consumption laughing Grass is not a drug laughing all addictive drug.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Kazakh
      Quote: ziqzaq
      The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ..

      Alcohol is the same drug as a culture of consumption can be. The problem is not heroin but the culture of consumption laughing Grass is not a drug laughing all addictive drug.

      Through the glass, the bottles do not see this.
  • ronin201
    ronin201 16 October 2015 09: 13 New
    +4

    Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.


    We must not fight alcoholism but create alternatives.
    In Moscow, a huge selection of leisure activities, a person can do almost anything, but in the outback? except how to drink and do nothing ... They drink not out of despair, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: ronin201
      except how to drink and do nothing ... They drink not out of despair, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.

      Do you think that a REASONABLE person is not able to find an occupation WITHOUT external influence? Why think so badly about people?
      1. ronin201
        ronin201 16 October 2015 09: 29 New
        +5
        Is there a person who is rational active is passive, active is doing something passive is waiting for something to be done for him ... and the proportion of active 20% passive 80% on the principle of parretto
        1. BMW
          BMW 16 October 2015 09: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: ronin201
          Is there a person who is rational active is passive, active is doing something passive is waiting for something to be done for him ... and the proportion of active 20% passive 80% on the principle of parretto

          Here it is the essence of capitalism - Amerikos tells you about the principle embodied in our country by Chubais and which continues to be implemented now: THOSE WHO DO NOT APPLY TO THE SYSTEM SHOULD KEEP.
          1. ronin201
            ronin201 16 October 2015 09: 53 New
            0
            should I make a person not to drink? this is violence ... your suggestions to combat drunkenness, I proposed to diversify leisure ...
            1. BMW
              BMW 16 October 2015 14: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: ronin201
              your suggestions to combat drunkenness,

              Do not remain indifferent
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 57 New
          0
          Quote: ronin201
          the passive is waiting for something to be done for him ...

          Does this seem reasonable to you? Wait for someone to eat for you, drink, comfort your woman, raise children ...
          1. ronin201
            ronin201 16 October 2015 10: 05 New
            +2
            some live on the neck of the state ... aren't they? Give them education, treat them, give them benefits, give them work, and the state gives them everything in their opinion. They even guessed that children should do more to get the capital ...
    2. brn521
      brn521 16 October 2015 11: 17 New
      0
      Quote: ronin201
      They do not drink because of hopelessness, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.

      In the army of affairs in bulk. Spit on them and still drink.
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 11: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: brn521
        Quote: ronin201
        They do not drink because of hopelessness, but the fact that there is nothing more to do.

        In the army of affairs in bulk. Spit on them and still drink.

        well yes as an example
        Comrade Warrant Officer, to issue scrap and shovels along with the territory for cleaning up. Voice out of order - maybe even brooms today? Set aside conversations! I don’t need you to work, I need you to ...... (tired)
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz 16 October 2015 09: 18 New
    0
    Therefore, he is not a supporter of prohibitions. Nonsense is all that.
    Quote: ziqzaq
    I agree with you. Does the author propose restricting the sale of alcohol? Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback? The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education, the ability to realize oneself, from social justice at last ... PS The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

    So in a hurry with a comment?
  • CONTROL
    CONTROL 16 October 2015 12: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: ziqzaq
    The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

    ... and there was a "culture of consumption" - in the 70s they organized "wineglasses", pubs, drums ... and all that! “Cultural drinking” does not help when the main task is to “suck a glass”! and after the first glass they don’t remember about the "culture" ...
  • etrofimov
    etrofimov 16 October 2015 21: 41 New
    0
    Until our magical state decides the notorious housing problem all in vain ...
    Each person with his cockroaches, and if there are different generations under the same roof, either bye-bye family or hello glass!
  • dison
    dison 16 October 2015 22: 45 New
    0
    Quote: ziqzaq
    Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback?

    Remember. And we also remember the record birth rate.
  • venaya
    venaya 16 October 2015 06: 17 New
    +8
    Quote: Bosk
    First, you need to improve the quality of life

    The quality of life? In what sense, increase income, so it can only lead to an increase in fluid intake, in the sense of fire water. Perhaps the key is the problem in the very culture of society, a categorical ban on advertising the consumption of alcohol, including in everyday communication, that is, to make it just indecent!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 06: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: venaya
      In what sense, increase income, so this can only lead to an increase in fluid intake

      What kind of blizzard is it, have you drunk a lot of neighbors?
      I have one for the whole house, but he runs all his life from everyday life.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 06: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I have one for the whole house

        but I don’t have at all ... requesteven in a large garage cooperative, and then one, a professional alcoholic.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          even in a large garage cooperative, and then one, a professional alcoholic.

          But lovers of a wagon and a small trolley. laughing
          There are few professionals, some lovers around. yes
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 08: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Few professionals, some lovers around

            my friend finally calls me an "amateur"! am
        2. Reducer
          Reducer 16 October 2015 09: 10 New
          +5
          What are these garages after that ?! This is a library! laughing
      2. venaya
        venaya 16 October 2015 06: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do you have a lot of drunk neighbors?

        Few remained, the rest went into another world.
      3. BMW
        BMW 16 October 2015 07: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Do you have a lot of drunk neighbors?

        There are two in my entrance. While there is money to drink, ended up not drinking. When sober, very decent people. In the neighboring entrances, too, there are such.
  • atalef
    atalef 16 October 2015 06: 49 New
    16
    Quote: Bosk
    Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic beverages

    In general, the choice in Russia (for alcohol) is colossal and quite high quality, and what to buy is everyone’s choice. For whom to drink is a good time and have fun in the company - he will not shorten his life as surrogates.
    Quote: Bosk
    First of all, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because they drink too much from “grayness” and hopelessness, and just get drunk from joy,

    100%.
    If a person does not see prospects in life, he finds them in alcohol

    Quote: ziqzaq
    The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

    I don’t think that the reason is in the culture of consumption, and what do you mean by that? Raise the glass with a protruding little finger or not?
    In my understanding - to drink in good company, but with a good snack - this is wonderful.
    Just alcohol should not become a goal, a person should have goals
    family, children, self-education --- alcohol definitely does not fit into this line.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 07: 18 New
      +2
      atalef-ok Sasha said! yes hi
    2. Reducer
      Reducer 16 October 2015 09: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      ... If a person does not see prospects in life, he finds them in alcohol
      ... a person must have goals
      family, children, self-education ...


      To the marble!
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Reduktor
        To the marble!

        Crystalline rocks such as granites and other diorites are much stronger than metamorphic rocks. To granite!
      2. Reducer
        Reducer 16 October 2015 09: 42 New
        +5
        In pursuit!
        You will not believe! But this is work!
        You won’t believe it again! But this is vodka!
        You won’t believe it again! But I did not drink too much!)))
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Reduktor
          You won’t believe it again! But this is vodka!



          In a bucket or something ??? So exhale, open ... Cover from above urgently !!! Do not translate good into feces ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 16 October 2015 11: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: veksha50
            !!! Do not translate good into feces

            And feces, as Everything to Feni says, is poison. wassat
          2. Reducer
            Reducer 16 October 2015 12: 55 New
            +1
            from a bucket tastier!
        2. Archon
          Archon 16 October 2015 15: 02 New
          +1
          it was necessary to add calcined copper sulphate and make alcohol anhydrous.
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Reduktor
        To the marble!



        Marble is something non-living ...
        It is much better to constantly and dynamically implement in life ...
    3. brn521
      brn521 16 October 2015 11: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: atalef
      If a person does not see prospects in life, he finds them in alcohol

      Just the prospect can be many and different. This does not hurt. One familiar character has a wife, child, and a well-paid job. But drank too much.
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 11: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: brn521
        One familiar character has a wife, child, and a well-paid job. But drank too much.

        They don’t get drunk just like that (I certainly don’t exclude some individuals with a genetic predisposition), but in general - just like that - no.
    4. brn521
      brn521 16 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      A person’s goals should be family, children, self-education --- alcohol does not exactly fit into this line.

      These goals are not able to replace alcohol. Well, a person does not really need a family, children, education, or even prosperity. He may be smart and talented, but that will not change anything. Here is another. He achieved something and understood in his soul that in fact he didn’t need all this. And the "rational" arguments here will not help. And alcohol really helps him at first. He will drink a little and strength will appear to continue to play his social role. That's just that it does not solve the problem and something there, in the shower, continues to warp, break and hurt.
      However, not only we have a problem. In the USA, for example, a lot of people are sitting in chemistry. Tranquilizers, antidepressants and more.
      1. BMW
        BMW 16 October 2015 14: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: brn521
        In the USA, for example, a lot of people are sitting in chemistry. Tranquilizers, antidepressants and more.

        This is local psychos making money. They are forced to plant. Business and nothing more. Watch the American film, Psychiatry - The Death Industry. With us, this is also starting to gain momentum.
  • ARES623
    ARES623 16 October 2015 09: 18 New
    +5
    Quote: Bosk
    Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because they drink too much from “grayness” and hopelessness and just get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process and consequences are different ...

    Drunkenness is justified by a “bad life” mainly by one who is not capable of a “good life” and who sees only someone else's fault in their troubles. In a sober mind, everyone understands that drunkenness does not improve life. Maybe, of course, there is such an incurable disease - alcoholism, but I think that the bulk do not get drunk from a painful need, but from weak-willedness and licentiousness. It is necessary to return to the practice of LTP and detoxification with tudotherapy. You can’t control yourself - cut a clearing under the Power of Siberia. Liberalism is good, like vodka, in moderate doses. A true patriot of his homeland cannot be a drunk
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 16 October 2015 23: 02 New
      0
      A true patriot of his homeland cannot be a drunk

      And vice versa.
      Spiritual life and .. nothing to respect yourself. When drunk, he seems to himself smarter, stronger and more beautiful. Life for such people is a boring repetition of the same thing. Lack of demand ..
  • Ursidae
    Ursidae 16 October 2015 09: 22 New
    +4
    No need to swap cause and effect. Grayness and hopelessness occur among those who drink, and not vice versa.
    So you can agree to the point that they beat for self-affirmation (which is useful), steal and rob from a lack of money (the state is to blame!), And kill from a bad mood (where does the Ministry of Culture look?)
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2015 10: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Bosk
    First of all, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because they drink too much from “grayness” and hopelessness, and just get drunk from joy,

    another dangerous myth is "grayness" and "hopelessness" to this by no means
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 16 October 2015 11: 29 New
    +7
    The best way to combat excessive alcoholization is to increase employment. Jobs and decent salary. Many drink simply from idleness.
    But for this, gentlemen, lawmakers need to deal with their direct duties, and not cheap PR.
    He said something about the fight against alcohol - immediately famous. What are the latest initiatives in St. Petersburg and Moscow about the ban on the sale of alcoholic beverages? In St. Petersburg - on Wednesday, in Moscow - on Friday. The easiest way.
    And if you recall the initiatives of these same gentlemen in other areas, it immediately becomes clear who you are dealing with. Only according to Peter - attempts to legislatively limit the height of women's heels, attempts to oblige residents to wear reflective signs at night (look especially good on women's fur coats!), Noise restriction at night not by dB, but by the type of noise - snoring is prohibited, exclamations with sex and stomping cats!
    These are not jokes, these are sad realities ...
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 16 October 2015 22: 26 New
    +1
    First, you need to improve the quality of life


    What are you saying! That is, alcoholics need to be given money so that they do not get drunk, but enjoy life?

    By the way, who will raise this quality of life? And How? Of my friends, who do not abuse, work hard, live not bad at all. I know a couple of drunkards who have flown from high positions for a booze, continue to ferment. Apparently at first they got drunk with joy, but now they would drink from "dullness and hopelessness."
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 22: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Asadullah
      What are you saying! That is, alcoholics need to be given money so that they do not get drunk, but enjoy life?

      No, we need to raise the standard of living so that alcoholics do not become
      Quote: Asadullah
      By the way, who will raise this quality of life? And How? AND

      It’s necessary to work, there is nothing else
      Quote: Asadullah
      Of my friends, who do not abuse, work hard, live not bad at all.

      Here I am about
      Quote: Asadullah
      I know a couple of drunkards who have flown from high positions for a booze, continue to ferment. Apparently at first they got drunk with joy, but now they would drink from "dullness and hopelessness."

      It is not that simple.
  • prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 16 October 2015 05: 59 New
    +6
    Quote: Barboskin
    first you need to improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish.

    This must be done simultaneously.
    Quote: Barboskin
    Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

    It would not hurt to introduce GOSTs at all, and not only there, but then all TU and TU (technical conditions, in other words, a description of how they are produced, whether it corresponds or not, let this invisible hand of the market determine).
    And also the state monopoly on the trade in alcoholic beverages, as in the USSR.
    But something vague doubts torment me for the result ...
    The first launch from Vostochny Cosmodrome has already been postponed to spring 2016, and they said they would have time in December 2015 ...
    Eh ... All this is sad.
    1. Moore
      Moore 16 October 2015 06: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      It would not hurt to introduce GOSTs at all, and not only there, but then all TU and TU (technical conditions, in other words, a description of how they are produced, whether it corresponds or not, let this invisible hand of the market determine).

      Well, yes, the elimination of GOSTs and the introduction of TUs - this is one of the greatest achievements of democracy, almost along with the freedom to bang in the ass.
    2. domokl
      domokl 16 October 2015 06: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      It would not hurt to introduce GOSTs at all, and not only there, but that’s all

      GOSTs will be introduced and what? Who will control them? It is necessary to recreate the entire control system. And this is money .. And big.
      No, you need to start by creating the conditions of the inability to "run away again." What is it a sin to hide, people often get drunk on "not enough." If I had at least a couple of kilometers to the store, who the hell would have forced me to buy more .. Just from laziness.
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 06: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        The OSTs will introduce what? Who will control them? It is necessary to recreate the entire control system.

        Hey . Sasha!
        Man himself must control what he pours into himself.
        I think each of you knows where and what is fawn, and what is quality.
        Although in Russia I noticed one strange thing, high-quality alcohol really costs you sky-high money, it is several times cheaper here.
        1. BMW
          BMW 16 October 2015 08: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Man himself must control what he pours into himself.

          Nonsense and other interpretation of the words of Chubais: "they will die out as those who do not fit into the system", this should be understood.
          And why should I pay for their treatment, because sooner or later they will be in the hospital. And deductions from the wage fund are taken from all regularly.
        2. Reducer
          Reducer 16 October 2015 09: 19 New
          0
          Sky-high - how much?
          One of our plants is a distillery, quality - I personally do not know better. prices are more than reasonable.
        3. domokl
          domokl 16 October 2015 09: 32 New
          +2
          Send hello to the ass laughing And two times. I agree about the cost of elite alcohol. but you know, Sash, In addition to whiskey, there is good vodka, cognac, wine. and they are produced with us.
          And about the control. Self-control is good when it is. And the drunkard has just big problems with this. they all consider themselves capable of not only controlling consumption, but also quitting at any time.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 07: 32 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        GOSTs will be introduced and what? Who will control them? It is necessary to recreate the entire control system. And this is money .. And big.


        Recreate ?? yes they control in such a way that they raise the issue at the presidential level, strangle small and medium-sized businesses ..
      3. gabs
        gabs 16 October 2015 09: 02 New
        +1
        We have people riding a supplement by train. So the distance is not a hindrance.
      4. Reducer
        Reducer 16 October 2015 09: 16 New
        +1
        There is Rosalcohol Regulation (RAP) a very scary organization belay for legal factories laughing
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: Reduktor
          for legal factories


          Hmm ... I am always amazed at the true Russian metamorphosis ...

          Here is one of them: why is Dagestan (Kizlyar) cognac produced on the Kizlyar LKZ (!!!), but left-handed, much better than the same cognac produced and legally released to stores ??? And this is not verbiage, but reality ...
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        It is necessary to recreate the entire control system. And this is money .. And big



        Hmm ... They steal much more ...

        The difficulty is different ... Over the years, the mentality of the Russian-Russian people has changed so much that the problem will be - where to find really honest controllers, and even more difficult - who and how will not only supervise them, but also protect them ???
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      And also the state monopoly on the trade in alcoholic beverages, as in the USSR


      And, by the way, this could solve issues of not only the quality of alcohol, but also close many budget gaps ...

      It has long been necessary to return the alcohol state monopoly to vodka ... And this could be done in this way - so as not to cause shocks - so that high-quality vodka is cheaper than private, that is, ruin private distilleries ...

      Now the plumes will fly in my direction, but this is the only real way to get the production and sale of alcohol out of the hands of private capital ...

      PS This is exactly - the closure of budget holes - applies to the Vostochny cosmodrome, where just the problems arose because of the alleged lack of money ...

      In the USSR, the production of a liter of high-quality drinking alcohol cost somewhere around 7,5 kopecks, and a liter of vodka cost first 2,87-3,12, then 3,62-4,12 and so on ... And all the profits went to the treasury , to finance the army, science and education, culture, medicine ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 11: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: veksha50
        And, by the way, this could solve issues of not only the quality of alcohol, but also close many budget gaps ...

        It has long been necessary to return the alcohol state monopoly to vodka ... And this could be done in this way - so as not to cause shocks - so that high-quality vodka is cheaper than private, that is, ruin private distilleries

        Will this solve the problem of alcoholism?
        What are we talking about? How to plug budget gaps, improve the quality of vodka .. or that people would stop drinking? (more precisely, the development of alcoholism)
        Quote: veksha50
        Now the plumes will fly in my direction, but this is the only real way to get the production and sale of alcohol out of the hands of private capital ...

        And?
        Quote: veksha50
        PS This is exactly - the closure of budget holes - applies to the Vostochny cosmodrome, where just the problems arose because of the alleged lack of money ...

        Well, if you build a spaceport and contribute to technological progress at the cost of vodka, then negative

        Quote: veksha50
        In the USSR, the production of a liter of high-quality drinking alcohol cost somewhere around 7,5 kopecks, and a liter of vodka cost first 2,87-3,12, then 3,62-4,12 and so on ... And all the profits went to the treasury , to finance the army, science and education, culture, medicine ...

        So how is it ?
        And in Sweden, almost a dry law and everything that you wrote was developed much better.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 16 October 2015 21: 31 New
          0
          Quote: atalef
          So how is it ?
          And in Sweden, almost a dry law and everything that you wrote was developed much better.



          Of course, I deviated somewhat from the topic ... But some extreme radicals just made me nervous ...

          All the same, they drank and will drink in Russia ... the only question is how much ... And then the State Duma began again the "fight against alcoholism" in stupid ways ... It can be seen in me the reaction to the stupidity of the boyars leapt ...

          PS I admit, although I am ashamed ... Until the 90s, I was not the last person ... When the collapse occurred, I looked for myself as soon as I could ... More precisely, I looked for myself and decent earnings ... This is a long story .. The bottom line is: washed down ... washed down scary ... still wondering if he remained alive ... For several years in the kingdom of Koshchei ...

          And then once he thought better of it ... came to his senses ... found an occupation and a way to earn ...

          And now to me these rants are that the boyars in the Duma, that some of the guys on the forum, some are funny, while others are nervous ...

          If someone boasts that he doesn’t drink a single drop of alcohol, then let him turn to Gogol’s statement about such people ... I won’t quote, otherwise some opponents will be offended ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 16 October 2015 22: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: veksha50
            All the same in Russia they drank and will drink.

            I’ll tell you honestly, I don’t see any problem in the alkagol. I think you will believe me that I don’t have an alcohol addiction

            Quote: veksha50
            the only question is how much ...

            And the volumes do not matter. Generally.
            Because we are distracted from 2 main things
            1. Reasons
            2. consequences
            someone revels in 100 grams, and a little liter to someone.



            Volumes are not very present here, maybe someone revels, with 100 grams,
            Quote: veksha50
            . The bottom line is: washed down ... washed down scary ... I'm still surprised that I remained alive ... For several years in the kingdom of Koshchei ...

            Respect to you and respect. And this is serious. I never knew what binge is. d knew quite a few people who regularly resided in them and simply knew a few - who understood the finiteness of the path and found the strength to get out of this, so I really and seriously press my paw (hand) and respect is an act, it’s easy to slide down - it’s ten times harder to climb hi hi good

            Quote: veksha50
            If someone boasts that he doesn’t drink a single drop of alcohol, then let him turn to Gogol’s statement about such people ... I won’t quote, otherwise some opponents will be offended ...

            So now I’ve returned from my native brother-in-law, they drank (as it should be on Friday) their liter Absolute = chime. And nothing, it’s not a problem with alcohol and I say this 100%, and alcoholism and its causes are prompting.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 17 October 2015 11: 04 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              no alcohol problem and I say it 100%, and alcoholism and its motivating causes


              I completely agree... hi
  • kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 16 October 2015 06: 07 New
    +9
    It's not about the quality of the poison, not about the quality of life, but about the agitation and promotion of alcohol.

    You notice a phrase at the beginning drinking articles?

    I, by a sinful affair, do not refuse a glass or two of cognac in good company. Yes, and I can use stronger. But in the company and for a good snack.


    The author is stupidly afraid that they will peck him because they will think that he does not drink and immediately shouts "I’m mine, don’t beat." When this problem goes away there will be no problem of drunkenness at all. Because to do self-mutilation in relation to oneself a person can only under serious psychological pressure.
  • Constructor1
    Constructor1 16 October 2015 06: 17 New
    +9
    Damn, how did they get calls to combat drunkenness, drug addiction, violence - did they decrease? -NO!!!

    It is necessary to proceed from the opposite, and not to shout about the fight against them! This is Ms. subliminal hidden advertising !!!! am

    It’s necessary to change brains !!! Promote a healthy lifestyle, organize and involve children, adolescents in circles, sections, etc. .. You need to immediately form a healthy, strong personality, you need to eradicate the REASON! and not fight the consequences !!! IMHO!
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 06: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: Designer 1
      Damn, how did they get calls to combat drunkenness, drug addiction, violence - did they decrease? -NO!!!

      It is necessary to proceed from the opposite, and not to shout about the fight against them! This is Ms. subliminal hidden advertising !!!!

      You know, s.e.c.s do not advertise anywhere, but nonetheless, its popularity does not decrease, drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way) - the problem (I also say it) is that many people lack prospects. In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 07: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way) -


        “Russia cannot be merry, we cannot live without it ...” These words of the Grand Duke of Kiev Vladimir Red Sun were heard in 986 ...
        Do you want Sanya, what would our new Vladimir Red Sun against poper? laughing
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        You know, s.r.k.

        All Hollywood cinematography is saturated with sekas and smashed with it.

        Quote: atalef
        drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way)

        The nastiest part.

        Quote: atalef
        In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.
        Blue lights, New Year's Eve and other masterpieces with smokers and drinkers protagonists DEPRECIATE tobacco smoking and alcohol consumption.
      3. Beaver
        Beaver 16 October 2015 09: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        You know, s.r.k.

        Come on. belay If "nowhere" means "in Israel" then maybe yes, not in the know. In each of our newspapers with announcements, there is a “do-it-yourself” section and half of the vacancy announcements are highly paid recumbent work for girls. This is with regards to advertising. If we talk about propaganda (that of drunkenness, that s.ek.sa) - it is so simple at every turn. I will not even give examples; he who is not blind sees himself. am
        And by some strange coincidence, the so-called "Russian intelligentsia" is most active in this propaganda. hi
      4. Constructor1
        Constructor1 16 October 2015 09: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        You know, cfs aren’t advertised anywhere, but nonetheless, its popularity is not getting smaller,

        Well, this is a physiological need ... and does not apply to bad habits laughing
        Quote: atalef
        drinking in Russia is part of the culture (and not the worst one by the way)

        Well, I’m arguing with that, they just IMPOSED it to people !! that Russian drunkards .. If a person constantly repeats that he is a pig, then soon we will see a pig.

        Quote: atalef
        In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.
        That's what I’m talking about, it’s necessary to change the worldview, to show, to prompt the way, to give an opportunity to develop, so that a person sees the way, knows where to direct his energy !!
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      6. creak
        creak 16 October 2015 10: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        the problem (still I say) in the absence of prospects for many people. In general, they drink from idleness and understanding that nothing will change.


        On this occasion, the notorious poet Huberman noted:
        You cannot understand without the main thing
        Your unity Russia
        Each path has its own
        One for all anesthesia .. drinks
    2. gabs
      gabs 16 October 2015 09: 05 New
      +1
      Now most circles and sections are paid, not all of them have money.
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: Designer 1
      It’s necessary to change brains !!! Promote a healthy lifestyle,



      Everything is correct ... Due to circumstances, every day I watch from the window how, with the start of classes at the school (and it is also within the “window visibility”), students group molt into the summer cottage area from the lessons, walk along the sidewalk and whip beer from cans , and even a half and a half ...

      And there are no policemen, passers-by - turn away, but it is not known where the parents are and where they are looking ...

      You will say that I look like a character in Zoshchenko’s short story: “I’m standing all day and watching ... Water flows from the tap, people dart back and forth and not a single bastard will shut the crane” ...? ...

      So I'm not from a good life sitting at this window ...
      1. 97110
        97110 16 October 2015 12: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: veksha50
        And there are no policemen, passers-by - turn away, but it is not known where the parents are and where they are looking ...

        And you ask the district police officer what will happen if he detains a minor. What passers-by will say (not even do), what kind of lawyer the parents will bring (and in how many minutes). How do the police keep within the Procrustean bed of legislation that was composed for the benefit of unscrupulous and arrogant citizens. But he didn’t notice - and everyone is fine. Particularly fellow lad.
  • EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 16 October 2015 06: 23 New
    -6
    ..... and this is a military review ..... worse than the yellow press ..... you cho dug there dill ??????????????? or craniotomy done .... fool
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 16 October 2015 06: 47 New
      13
      Quote: EGOrkka
      ..... and this is a military review ..... worse than the yellow press ...

      Vodka, beer, moonshine, generally alcohol, even from a pharmacy, are chemical warfare agents. And, probably, more people die from them than in local conflicts. So this must be perceived.
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 16 October 2015 09: 08 New
        -1
        .... and at what "military review"??????????????????????????????? call "everything about everything" and scratch behind your ear ........ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. BMW
          BMW 16 October 2015 14: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: EGOrkka
          .... and under what "military review" ?????????????????????????????? call "everything about everything" and scratch behind your ear ........ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          The question of national security, or simply put, is there such a country as Russia, and the question is acute. The war with us is on all fronts and alcohol is a weapon.
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: EvgNik
        Vodka, beer, moonshine, generally alcohol, even from a pharmacy, are chemical warfare agents. And, probably, more people die from them than in local conflicts.



        Hmm ... Alexander the Great, after victorious feasts from scorching and drinking, more people died than in the battle that was celebrated ... This is testified to by historical sources ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 06: 47 New
      +7
      Quote: EGOrkka
      ..... and this is a military review ..... worse than the yellow press ..... you cho dug there dill ??????????????? or craniotomy done .... fool

      don’t get annoyed by trifles, go drink something .. smile
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 October 2015 06: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        go drink something ..

        bully And I got a wreck. Here he is, the advocate of alcoholism ... laughing
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 07: 20 New
          0
          Quote: domokl
          And I got a wreck. Here he is, the advocate of alcoholism ...

          We're the same blood... bully
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 07: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            We're the same blood..


            This is not a joke about you - in your agdam - no blood was found .. laughing
          2. evil partisan
            evil partisan 16 October 2015 08: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            We're the same blood...

            How long have you found blood in your port? wink
          3. BMW
            BMW 16 October 2015 08: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            We're the same blood..

            Forty degrees? belay
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 08: 47 New
              +3
              Quote: bmw
              Forty degrees?

              Quote: wicked partisan
              How long have you found blood in your port?

              Quote: afdjhbn67
              This is not an anecdote about you - in your agdam - no blood was found.

              good handsome men! what "fresh" jokes! Pedrosyan writhes in laughter ...laughing
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 56 New
                +3
                Quote: Andrew Y.
                Pedrosyan writhes in laughter ...

                And someone from pain in the heart, which is no longer funny. And those close to writhing from this pain will face considerable troubles.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 16 October 2015 10: 22 New
                  +3
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  Quote: Andrew Y.
                  Pedrosyan writhes in laughter ...

                  And someone from pain in the heart, which is no longer funny. And those close to writhing from this pain will face considerable troubles.

                  Oddly enough, but in drunks, as a rule, with the cardiovascular system, everything is in order
                  1. kolyhalovs
                    kolyhalovs 16 October 2015 13: 35 New
                    +2
                    Oddly enough, but in drunks, as a rule, with the cardiovascular system, everything is in order

                    You make such a statement on what data?

                    I work in statistics and the correlation of alcohol consumption and deaths is very clear, and the leader among deaths is just CVD, though now oncology is gaining more momentum, so you look and will overtake. Even our main speaker made such a report at some gathering of theirs, that the main problem is not a small birth rate, but a huge mortality rate and alcohol plays an important role in this mortality.
                    1. Throw
                      Throw 16 October 2015 18: 14 New
                      0


                      Oddly enough, but in drunks, as a rule, with the cardiovascular system, everything is in order

                      You make such a statement on what data?

                      According to no information, this character is habitually lying and distorting)))
        2. kolyhalovs
          kolyhalovs 16 October 2015 13: 23 New
          +1
          And I got a wreck. Here he is, the advocate of alcoholism ...


          No kidding. They are.
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 09: 31 New
        +2
        Strychnina, sir, strychnina !!! laughing
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 16 October 2015 11: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        don’t get annoyed by trifles, go drink something ..



        Specify already ... corvalola with valerian or a human drink - vodka-cognac ... The first and second are unlikely to help, but the rest will soften, make kinder ...
  • forester
    forester 16 October 2015 06: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Barboskin
    Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

    I agree, but it’s half-measures that the authorities are in fact fighting not with alcoholism, but banning but not offering alternatives, they will not achieve anything Instead of generally accessible gyms, expensive fitness centers but more often shopping centers and affordable pubs I’m silent about youth policy - it isn’t
  • ussur
    ussur 16 October 2015 07: 21 New
    0
    Utopia! Sovereign people empty.
  • VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 03 New
    +2
    Quote: Barboskin
    Before you fight alcoholism, you must first improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

    And to fight against addicts, you need to improve the quality of drugs? Prohibition must be introduced, not guests.
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  • Belgorod
    Belgorod 16 October 2015 10: 00 New
    +3
    [quote] First you need to improve the quality of alcohol products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol. [/ Quote
    ]I completely agree. And about drinking - people began to drink less (especially youth)
    Causes
    1 car
    2 Work (it’s very easy to lose, but the Alconauts cannot stand leadership)
    Pi. Xi Pay attention - In Russia they like to drink, take a walk, but they can not stand drunkards !!!!
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2015 10: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Barboskin
    first you need to improve the quality of alcoholic products, remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

    it absolutely doesn’t change anything, bruises as they were drinking surrogate will continue to drink
  • RBLip
    RBLip 16 October 2015 10: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Barboskin
    Before fighting alcoholism, one must first improve the quality of alcoholic products and remove all powder rubbish. Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.

    haha ALWAYS thumped under the shit, and under the communists, and under the kings, and under the "tyrants", and under the emperors, probably too. in the "dry" laws and the "wet". both in quality and in the absence thereof. the question is upbringing. everything grows from there. and not in state standard specifications and other crap. and little by little something is being done. TRP, marathons, Russian ski track. I personally believe that the fight against the serpent will be successful only when the people are busy with business and in the bulk are successful. Well, the promotion of a healthy image, essno. and mass sport. the only way. and not prohibitions and state standards. Well, five cents, as usual wink
  • tds-8_78
    tds-8_78 16 October 2015 11: 04 New
    -1
    Leave vodka in supermarkets. Everything else is in the special. shops, 50 km from the city.
  • atalef
    atalef 16 October 2015 11: 14 New
    +4
    Actually, somehow the comments (which I just re-read now) took the discussion off the right track.
    The conversation took the form (in which I also inserted my 3 kopecks)
    1. Drinking alcohol is not a problem.
    2. Prohibits alcohol
    3. Quality control
    4. All who use it are drunks and enemies of the state.
    I think all this is nonsense and the tricks of the mk there are dozens of examples of countries where
    1. Alcohol is part of the culture and without the use of wine and beer - no meal can do
    2. A huge number of countries - where alcohol costs just a penny and is available 24 hours a day
    AND ALL THIS DOESN’t Bring ON THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE IN RUSSIA and mentioned in the article.
    I think it was more correct to talk about the reasons leading to the spread of alcoholism (maybe the problem is not in drinking, but in alcoholism)
    What needs to be done so that people don’t stop drinking alcohol (I don’t write the word DRINK maybe in Russian it has quite a bogus negative meaning), and do not slip into alcoholism.
  • 222222
    222222 16 October 2015 11: 26 New
    +3
    It's not the fault of the matter ... but in the brains of people ... and the sovereign’s power ..
  • marlin1203
    marlin1203 16 October 2015 11: 32 New
    +1
    Household drunkenness should not be confused with the culture of gastronomy. Do not throw away the centuries-old traditions of winemaking. The issue is the formation of attitudes towards alcoholism. Now, by the way, we are moving correctly on the whole - young people are being taught that it is fashionable to be healthy, physically developed, smart, cunning, successful for survival in the modern competitive world. And alcohol, cigarettes and drugs - for the "losers". Such a scheme will work sooner or later. In addition to sports, one thought always protected me personally and from alcohol, tobacco and drugs: “why is it some kind of t-rp, which itself doesn’t consume all this, will profit from me? ..” It helps a lot - now it’s almost 40 years.
  • 97110
    97110 16 October 2015 12: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Barboskin
    need to start

    The meaning of the phrase? We will not do anything, because first we need to do something else. Either impracticable or useless.
  • user
    user 16 October 2015 15: 24 New
    +2
    Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.


    It is better to return the state monopoly.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 16 October 2015 22: 21 New
    0
    Generally introduce tough GOSTs on alcohol.


    But aren't they today? And indeed, quality and consumption are not mutually exclusive. Consumer culture, for what they will drink low-quality buckets, what high-quality, in this state the drinker will be in terms of the letter n, with the end of й.

    But from this angle:
    On the state approach to this issue.


    Alcohol must be expensive. Even if the state is not a monopolist, then the price should be set by the state. Transfer to the criminal plane for driving a fly, for driving without a license. Tough attitude to alcohol in public institutions. In the labor code, dismissal is the only sanction. And a long work in civil society, so that a drunk person would cause surprise and laughter. In the meantime, we watch films with "National features of fishing, hunting and other things" and run to the store for a bottle.
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 22: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Asadullah
      Alcohol Must Be Expensive

      There will be cheap moonshine
      Quote: Asadullah
      . Even if the state is not a monopolist, then the price should be set by the state.

      There will not be a
      Quote: Asadullah
      Transfer to the criminal plane for driving a fly, for driving without a license. Tough attitude to alcohol in public institutions.

      It will bear fruit (in large cities) but will not solve the problem in the rest of Russia
      Quote: Asadullah
      In the labor code, dismissal is the only sanction.

      and the wino will be cured right there?
      Quote: Asadullah
      . And a long work in civil society, so that a drunk person would cause surprise and laughter.

      Laughter and surprise yes
      Quote: Asadullah
      In the meantime, we watch films with "National features of fishing, hunting and other things" and run to the store for a bottle.

      Strange, I looked and more than once - I did not run to the store
  • morozik
    morozik 17 October 2015 09: 46 New
    0
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  • Loner_53
    Loner_53 16 October 2015 05: 53 New
    +2
    Vodka is an abomination, vodka is poison, but one hundred grams will not hurt. Observe 100 grams no more. winked
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 October 2015 06: 28 New
      +9
      laughing Once he was in the hospital. Tightly lay. Without getting up. And in the next room, the men brought Polkash brandy. He is a helicopter pilot. Fell somewhere. Squeezed, and then stretched. Or vice versa. But also lay a log.
      Here, his guys rolled me along with the bed to him. They only poured cognac into glasses. The head of the department enters. Zluka is terrible. What are we drinking? Cognac. Pour in. I drank it. Good. But to you no more than 150 grams. It is even useful for you for treatment.
      Naturally we were indignant. Why they don’t prescribe a medicine. The answer is everything.
      There are two of you. According to 150 ... how much will remain? And what will you do with the remainder? Therefore, we do not prescribe laughing
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 05: 55 New
    +1
    This problem is ineradicable! drinks
    1. apro
      apro 16 October 2015 06: 02 New
      +6
      Any problem has a solution, you can solve it, but you can not solve it, and this is also a solution. Honestly, watching alcohol intoxication in the district decreased, we switched to beer,
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 06: 09 New
        10
        oh, and now he will treat teetotalers, oh, and they will begin to sculpt minuses to everyone who has even taken a sip in life!))))) here for his long-lived life, he remarked: the most aggressive people are deeply religious, and deeply teetotalers (especially from former drinkers) a paradox ? winked
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 16 October 2015 06: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          the most aggressive people, deeply religious, and deeply teetotalers (especially from the former-drinkers) paradox?

          No paradox. There are no ex. They remain so until the end of life, but if they cannot, then others too. Yes, there are many vodka shops. But. There are no queues in them. But trade in moonshine is a problem. Although it can only be driven by law for personal use, it is sold around the clock. For some families, this is a family business. They don’t work - but all have zero cars. In order for people to die from vodka, I have not heard recently, and from the moonshine in our entrance for 3 years a third person dies. 3 of them did not have 2.
      2. domokl
        domokl 16 October 2015 06: 18 New
        +6
        I agree. There is a solution. Need to reduce the number of points of sale. Limit the number of such stores. And introduce compulsory treatment for drunks. Forced! Soviet LTPs, albeit not completely, have fulfilled this role.
        1. BMW
          BMW 16 October 2015 08: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          And introduce compulsory treatment for drunks.

          Nope, forced labor therapy, as under Stalin after the war. wink
          The only negative is that political repressed will immediately appear. crying
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 06: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: apro
        Honestly, watching drunkenness in the district decreased, we switched to beer,

        They drink beer all over the world, drank and will drink. Well, do not swallow lemonade for men.
        1. apro
          apro 16 October 2015 06: 28 New
          +3
          Cheburator, I last drank beer in the year 95 while the Annunciation Brewery made beer according to Soviet recipes and then everything was an alcoholic drink with the taste of beer. But for me it’s better than vodka, worse not.
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 16 October 2015 06: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Beer is drunk all over the world, drank and will drink

          Beer is worth drinking only alive. And the current, in plastic containers, canned, which will stand for 10 years without spoiling, is poisonous poison.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 07: 21 New
            0
            Quote: EvgNik
            Beer is worth drinking only alive.

            not a fact ... is it worth it at all, but sometimes I want a pancake ... repeat
        3. venaya
          venaya 16 October 2015 06: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, do not swallow lemonade for men.

          And why should peasants swallow anything at all! Well, if only a saber, so not everyone is capable of it. In the former military unit closest to me, there is a military man. the town remained, as they say, and he himself noticed that almost half of the inhabitants were addicted to drugs. Is that the norm?
        4. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 07: 16 New
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          They drink beer all over the world, drank and will drink. Well, do not swallow lemonade for men

          what can I say .... after 150 days, retire! I get drunk "in the lyulyu"! (collective too) laughing
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 06: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      This problem is ineradicable!

      Andrei, I don’t see a problem either. Something I’m walking around the city, people are sober around. It happens from somewhere it will be taxied under dude. Where is the problem then?
      They write as if rampant drunkenness in the country.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 06: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Andrei, I don’t see a problem either.

        Sanya, hi, I don’t see either! quiet troll! lol it’s fun to watch how “non-communicable when” rage ... wink such a topic has been raised more than once, so the last time, one colleague wished me to sleep and die as soon as possible! may God grant him health ... repeat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 07: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          one colleague wished me to sleep soon and die

          It is from envy, the ulcer is seen wassat
          Healthy hi
          1. atalef
            atalef 16 October 2015 07: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Andrew Y.
            one colleague wished me to sleep soon and die

            It is from envy, the ulcer is seen wassat
            Healthy hi

            This is from kindness, because you could just wish to die, and so in general, at least some kind of joy in life is before death. laughing
      2. domokl
        domokl 16 October 2015 06: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They write as if rampant drunkenness in the country.

        Hi Sanya. And in my house there are several young (up to 40) men only doing that they are looking for someone to snore ... I think this is not a few apartments on 60
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 07: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          in my house there are several young (up to 40) men only doing that they are looking for someone to snarl with ..

          Sanya, there are such everywhere, but they are such in life. The meaning of their life is to roll, otherwise the day will pass in vain.
          1. BMW
            BMW 16 October 2015 10: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , there are such everywhere, but they are such in life.

            Just born and piss - fu, would I rather look for vodka or beer?
            Society has made them such, and should be responsible for them.
      3. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 07: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Andrei, I don’t see a problem either. Something walking around the city, people sober around

        We will discuss it in Skype bar tomorrow. laughing
        Hey . Sanya!

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They write as if rampant drunkenness in the country.

        Well, the problem exists in general, it may not be the same as it draws, but in general --- Sanya is drunk in the villages ..... and drunk.
        In Pskov - this ... I would like to use a word, but I will run into a warning.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 08: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          in the villages they drink ..... and they drink.

          but this is really ... and as a child in my distant village, they thumped abruptly, and now nothing has changed. Probably the air in the village is so .... heady .. belay
      4. BMW
        BMW 16 October 2015 09: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , I don’t see a problem either

        You just don't want to see her.
        We have a 10% turnover on the coast, precisely because of drunkenness. People who go to hell for Easter cakes to earn money and drink (mainly Altai, Primorsky and Khabarovsk Territories, they don’t take Buryats for the second year, because the percentage of drunkenness is 2-3 times higher). Mortality is also due to drunkenness, 5-6 people in 5 months (moreover, stupid and terrible), there are no serious injuries, but minor injuries 10-15. And that's for 500 people.
        It's just that this is not visible in the city, because drink at home.
      5. brn521
        brn521 16 October 2015 12: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Where is the problem then?

        Imagine. You open your own business. You hire workers. And then part of them does not go to work at all, and part crawls on the eyebrows and they again have to be wrapped. That’s it, it’s worth it, the enterprise is standing, taxes and rents are dropping at a slow pace. At the same time, those who normally came out should organize the work process in some mysterious way and pay their salaries.
    3. evil partisan
      evil partisan 16 October 2015 08: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      This problem is ineradicable!

      Drunk. yes
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 08: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: wicked partisan
        Drunk.

        it said a person who uses every day ...- authoritatively! laughing
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 16 October 2015 08: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          a person who uses every day ...

          belay
          I will file a lawsuit am . For libelsad.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 08: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: wicked partisan
            I will file a lawsuit

            God will give ...
            1. kolyhalovs
              kolyhalovs 19 October 2015 06: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              oh, and now he’ll be sobering up the teetotalers, oh and they’ll begin to sculpt minuses


              Stop lying. Go into the topics and see who has cons. And, by the way, the most aggressive people are just warlike alcoholics who are irreconcilable to a person who dared to behave differently from them.
  • venaya
    venaya 16 October 2015 05: 58 New
    +5
    Oh god! The topic is important. Remember how much alcohol advertising is pouring onto our heads daily. Small statistics, during the reign of Leonid Brezhnev, the consumption of alkagol increased by 10 times. Do not believe? Check it out. I understand that he himself is from Moldova, but that does not mean anything. I’m still movies: basic films, such as “New Year's Carnival”, “With a Light Steam”, do not resemble anything. This is pure drinking water of the population, creating the image of a drinking nation, it’s just some kind of horror. I would recall the truly national traditions, the period of John IV, in which there was a lash for the use of alkagol. The theme is endless.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 16 October 2015 06: 04 New
      0
      Quote: venaya
      even the period of John IV, in which there was a lash for the use of alkagol.

      Yes, it seems that when he opened the first tavern in Moscow, imprisoned exclusively for “guardsmen”, it was forbidden to ordinary people and vodka was sold exclusively under the brand name “medicine”.
      1. venaya
        venaya 16 October 2015 06: 27 New
        +3
        Quote: V.ic
        Yes, it’s like when he opened the first tavern in Moscow, imprisoned exclusively under the “guardsmen”,

        The work of the guardsmen is too specific, this is an exception to the exceptions. Prior to John IV, in Russia there was no such institution as a cause, the reason for its creation is an exceptional ideological attack on Russia at this time. In general, in Russia, the killing of a person was never practiced, all this came to us from the wild west, African manners, and in order to go for such a thing, John had to violate centuries-old national traditions.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 16 October 2015 07: 04 New
          0
          Quote: venaya
          this is an exception to the exceptions.

          Your original style of thinking, however ... The exception to the exceptions is most likely rate.
          Quote: venaya
          In general, in Russia, killing a person has never been practiced, all this came to us from the wild west,

          Oh really? And the execution of Velyaminov’s son of the last Moscow tysyatsky under Prince Dmitry Ivanovich "Don"? "After much deliberation, Prince Dmitry Ivanovich sentenced the traitor to public execution. An appropriate ceremony was developed. The execution of Ivan Velyaminov took place in August 1379, on Kuchkov Field." http://sergeytsvetkov.livejournal.com/141099.html
          It seems that Prince Dmitry Ivanovich and the sovereign and V. Prince. Are Ivan Vasilyevich different people, or do you consider them to be one person?
          1. venaya
            venaya 16 October 2015 08: 04 New
            0
            Quote: V.ic
            ... Exception from exceptions is most likely the norm. ... "After much deliberation, Prince Dmitry Ivanovich sentenced the traitor to public execution. An appropriate ceremony was developed. ...

            You see, how wonderful we are with you. We both, with various examples, prove the same thing. See: "An appropriate ceremony was developed."- that is, you prove with your own example that the principle of" exception only confirms the rule "and in this case works. This is not a wild, refined west to you, where they create such masterpieces of killing people as gallotin or fur. a device like that which stood in the “gate park”, where a brilliant machine for killing on the gallows was installed at the same time 17 people, and at the same time the crowd gathered, like on a holiday, taking ruble places in the evening, another culture. It is not surprising that such a holiday ended with a grand booze.
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 16 October 2015 11: 12 New
              0
              Quote: venaya
              We both, with various examples, prove the same thing.

              Well, like-minded, we are not a priori. You give me the absence of executions before Ivan the Terrible, I give you a SPECIFIC example from an era that is almost a century and a half earlier, and this is not the same thing. And in the interval between your and my dates, the reprisal against the "strigolniks" (they are also "Judaic"): "... the Cathedral of 1504 sentenced the main followers of the heresy to burning in wooden cages."
              https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/ЕЭБЕ/Жидовствующих_ересь
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 16 October 2015 07: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: venaya
      basic films, such as “New Year's Carnival”, “Enjoy Your Bath”, do not resemble anything


      You still forgot the classics of short films: "Dog Watchdog and Unusual Cross / Moonshiners."
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 16 October 2015 05: 59 New
    +5
    The country is ruled by the Queen PROFIT. It doesn’t matter how you earn it. This applies not only to alcohol. For example, you can give the pharmacy market, where it is sold not what heals, but what is expensive. Cheap drugs are being washed out of sale. They are disadvantageous. Free circles and sections for children are disadvantageous, please pay. Pools, parks and squares - they can not be found in areas of mass development. That's how we live, remembering a happy childhood.
  • kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 16 October 2015 05: 59 New
    +4
    I, by a sinful affair, do not refuse a glass or two of cognac in good company. Yes, and I can use stronger. But in the company and for a good snack. Therefore, he is not a supporter of prohibitions.


    I can not stand it when someone makes excuses at the very beginning of the article, in the hope that they will not deliver the cons. At the same time, it’s just about the fact that bans are still needed - otherwise we will perish.
    Author do you have a life position on the topic of alcohol? If so, why are you chewing snot?
    An article from the category "I actually thump myself, but you have to do something about it!", But stop buying at these alcohol stores and voila - another sober member of society is ready. And if you can’t / want, then nothing can be done either with you in particular, or with the country as a whole.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 October 2015 06: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: kolyhalovs
      , so stop buying at these alcohol stores and voila - another sober member of society is ready.

      sad Interesting. I, too, do not deny myself the pleasure of drinking. Do not get drunk, namely drink in a decent company. And I see no harm in such use. On the contrary, when I was at a non-alcoholic wedding. There were such times. So that Gorbachev himself is so married ...
      The conversation is not about a ban. And about how to remove the opportunity for those who still do not understand the dangers of abuse.
      For a long time, during the Soviet Union, we on the beach girls poured brains for girls cursing themselves on the horizontal bar. On each beach there was a normal gymnastic horizontal bar. And not pipes welded. And it was fashionable to be strong. And now?
      They also tell me about the dangers of smoking (I smoke 40let), about the dangers of alcohol (I tried about the same time). Isn't it harmful to live?
      Or do I also have no position? Ballast for society?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 06: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        Or do I also have no position? Ballast for society?

        Well, Sasha said, I already listened! yes hi
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 06: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        I, too, do not deny myself the pleasure of drinking.

        Well, that’s all, then you are drunk Sanya laughing
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 October 2015 06: 48 New
          +1
          Duc ... I also smoke .. And this, to the left, so to speak ... And the fact that I do not participate in marathons fellow
          In short, a collection of bad habits and other immoral phenomena. Direct path in the next life to the cobblestone on the road. So that people stumble and matter laughing
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 07: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            Direct path in the next life to the cobblestone on the road.

            Sasha, Ranevskaya said: it’s good in paradise, but in hell, the company is better! wink
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 October 2015 07: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Andrew Y.
              oh, but in hell, the company is better!

              Yeah, more friends laughing
      3. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        They also tell me about the dangers of smoking (I smoke for 40 years), about the dangers of alcohol (I tried about the same time).

        I wonder why, after strokes and other CVDs, they stop drinking and smoking for medical reasons?
        1. domokl
          domokl 16 October 2015 11: 10 New
          0
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          I wonder why, after strokes and other CVDs, they stop drinking and smoking for medical reasons?

          Coward does not play hockey...
        2. Throw
          Throw 16 October 2015 18: 53 New
          0
          I wonder why, after strokes and other CVDs, they stop drinking and smoking for medical reasons?


          But because the "macho" - peasants who "don't drink lemonade"when a bony with a scythe or a surgeon with a saw begins to loom nearby, the point suddenly starts the bench press.

          And they suddenly realize that it’s not harmful to live healthy, but beautifully, and without any poison to which they culturally accustomed themselves.

          Unfortunately, sometimes it’s too late and they fall into the “fun company” of the morgue. Or turn into a ballast for doctors, relatives and friends ...
  • Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 16 October 2015 06: 01 New
    +5
    Sinka ch.m.o.! Do not drink! Train!
  • BLOND
    BLOND 16 October 2015 06: 03 New
    +6
    fence off youth from alcohol !!!
    Sport is free, promotion of a healthy lifestyle, tighten the admin codex in this direction (drinking and being drunk ...), add police rights (tightening control over the abuse of rights)
    ... people will add if they forgot!
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 October 2015 06: 16 New
      +9
      Exactly. Not shops should be around, but sports grounds and sections are free. Then there will be no time for "sitting to drink a beer."
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 16 October 2015 07: 11 New
        +1
        ... and desires
  • Baloo
    Baloo 16 October 2015 06: 08 New
    +5
    I support. Few people know that beer alcoholism, especially in women, causes no less harm. Energy drinks are a terrible evil. Pepsi, Coca-Cola in its formulation contains phosphoric acid, which is worse than the high level of sugar in drinks. A student washed test tubes with phosphoric acid, moonlighting as a laboratory assistant. In overalls, in a fume hood, only gloved hands with the ventilation turned on, after some time I began to notice that the work clothes were all in small holes! And this is despite safety precautions.
    Alcoholism is a serious disease, there are many reasons and not all of them can be eliminated. It's like with a smoke, it’s easier not to smoke for the first time than to quit later.
    Detoxification needed, who can not pay, for community service in court. Perhaps it is necessary to determine the criteria for the compulsory treatment of alcoholism in closed institutions, where treatment would be accompanied by compulsory occupational therapy, and who does not know anything, learning the simplest professions.
    Moreover, treatment should be accompanied not only by medical support, but also by an emphasis on physical therapy and physiotherapy as in a neurological hospital.
    Another problem, homeless people, is the main contingent for such institutions.
    About GOST, I support. The excise stamp must have a code indicating which raw material, I mean the quality of the alcohol, the drink is made. I have not tasted normal wine for a long time. I prefer domestic ones, but this is ink and burda, despite the brand label.
    1. Barboskin
      Barboskin 16 October 2015 06: 34 New
      +3
      Through fault I fully support. Instead of beer, you need to sell natural wine. We have the Kuban, Crimea, Stavropol Territory.
  • Hubun
    Hubun 16 October 2015 06: 13 New
    +5
    I’ve not been drinking it myself for 9 years, except for a glass of champagne for the New Year. And I bring up sons in the same spirit, and I have three of them
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 October 2015 06: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Hubun
      I’ve not been drinking it myself for 9 years, except for a glass of champagne for the New Year. And I bring up sons in the same spirit, and I have three of them

      very competent, politically seasoned commentary! the flow of pluses is inevitable! yes
      1. atalef
        atalef 16 October 2015 07: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Hubun
        I’ve not been drinking it myself for 9 years, except for a glass of champagne for the New Year. And I bring up sons in the same spirit, and I have three of them

        very competent, politically seasoned commentary! the flow of pluses is inevitable! yes

        This is the choice of everyone.
        I would not pose the question - to drink badly, not to drink - good.
        This is not only black and white, but there is a huge number of shades.
        I do not want to give examples of France or Italy - where wine is generally an attribute of every meal, Or of the same Israel, where wine is a MANDATORY part of any holiday or Saturday meeting.
        Mandatory.
        When circumcision is done, the baby is given a spoonful of wine on the 8th day (after birth).
        nevertheless (although we have drunks too) - it was never a problem and I remember upon arrival in 93 g, I learned that in Haifa there are (400t residents with suburbs) a type of sobering-up station, for as many as 8 places and usually empty.
        Once again, I think. that alcohol is not a problem, the problem is the lack of prospects in people.
      2. Hubun
        Hubun 16 October 2015 07: 21 New
        +4
        And somehow I do not chase the pluses. Wrote as is. I don’t see anything good in alcohol. There is a negative experience. For example, when, in principle, good combat drunk in 5 days.
        1. BMW
          BMW 16 October 2015 10: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Hubun
          good combat drunk in 5 days.

          Yes, but the sailors earned for a six-month voyage, for one night. I know those in the 90s to 10 thousand greens were lowered in taverns. Received money, lowered it during the night, in the morning on a ship and wait for a new flight.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 16 October 2015 06: 15 New
    +6
    The state’s war on alcohol ends with the victory of alcohol. Many people drink from hopelessness, from the filthy situation at work, I have an example before my eyes when a ZP of 6 thousand in size is detained for 3 months. Guys or diesel fuel or earlier crushed stone to the left pushed to the booze. I have a fitter to the chief of the quarry bluntly stated that if that “bonus” is reduced, then he will get drunk right here in the office. As noted above - the quality of life must be raised.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 16 October 2015 07: 03 New
      +3
      Zbs! Salaries of 3 months were not and they salary on a booze !!! ... nlyat. Well, what for the people? Pour yourself into the ashes and let the children and their wives eat the last one at home without salt ...
      I goof ... Get drunk from hopelessness by the fact that there is no money! Damn what the hell!
    2. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 07: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Dimy4
      I have a fitter to the chief of the quarry directly stated that if that "bonus" reduces, then he will get drunk right here in the office
  • sl22277
    sl22277 16 October 2015 06: 20 New
    +2
    It is impossible to win, and why? He already has experience in fighting, he did not solve any problems. It is necessary to educate and inculcate a culture of drinking. Plus Employment, Domestic work, Sport finally.
  • Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 16 October 2015 06: 21 New
    +4
    We know what the prohibitions lead to. Self-racers will thank the authors. Cigarettes are curtained and what? It smells like a madhouse. They don’t fight against prohibitions, it’s from the evil one. The authorities cannot offer anything in exchange for vodka beer and cigarettes and do not even try.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 16 October 2015 06: 29 New
      +4
      It is enough that the authorities would take the production of alcohol into their own hands. And the quality will be higher and help the budget.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 16 October 2015 09: 22 New
        0
        I completely agree. In Soviet times, Tokai or Hungarian vermouth were really distinguished by quality. The current Tokai is not wine, but booze. The same martini is obviously bodysuit.
        I am a monopolist.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 October 2015 06: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex Nick
      It smells like a madhouse. They do not fight with prohibitions, it’s from the evil one.

      As one familiar cop said: "The pig will always find dirt." A normal person is a problem. hi
  • Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 16 October 2015 06: 25 New
    +7
    I do not agree with the article in everything. Yes, there is a problem, but ... In the 90s it was much worse ... I saw the same picture in the evening and in the morning, as alcoholics and drug addicts already or still sat on the same bench ... Now they don’t sit, who then under the grass, but there are those who have tied. I'm talking about something else. In those days, there were almost mathematically verified models that said that all young people would be the same. But the youth had not only a can with beer in their hands, but also a head on their shoulders. Predictions failed. I judge by my “child” and his homies, and by their former class, in which there were 26 people ... There were 2 drinkers. And that’s all. Yes, they drink beer, I won’t say anything about energy, I don’t know. Sometimes companies indulge in vodka, BUT .... DO NOT DRINK .... They have other interests and are more indifferent to alcohol. To my leader 26. At this age, an opinion has already been formed ... But there is a problem, because I see tipsy young people, but they are orders of magnitude smaller than in the 90s. And therefore I support both GOSTs and educational programs. It is necessary to explain about the harm and do it constantly, since this is a long and not always thankful business. hi
    1. Pasha
      Pasha 16 October 2015 10: 24 New
      0
      not only to explain but also to show by personal example.
  • Fox
    Fox 16 October 2015 06: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: ziqzaq
    The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

    og ... I put a newspaper on a stool, already culturally.
    Come on, my friend, there is no cultural murder.
  • Name
    Name 16 October 2015 06: 31 New
    +4
    Greetings to all! Eh "... I, in a sinful affair, do not refuse a glass or two of cognac in good company. Yes, and I can use it more firmly.", - not knowing the morality, BUT I would like to clarify, Cho after a glass of cognac can be stronger ... recourse ALCOHOL is sacred, do not touch it !!!
  • Felix1
    Felix1 16 October 2015 06: 34 New
    +3
    What is the article about? I want it, I want it, I want it, I want it, who cares, I'm an adult and I don’t want everyone to treat me there. Better to thump than watch TV, TV is the biggest poison. I personally drink Everything that burns, though not very often.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 October 2015 06: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Felix1
      I personally drink Everything that burns, though not very often.

      That's where the cat is buried. No one is against it. It’s not often to drink and it’s completely normal with anyone. But to drink for the sake of drinking, to drink .. that's where the evil
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 16 October 2015 06: 53 New
    +1
    A fighter with alcohol (the author) and himself not an adherent of a healthy lifestyle - "Now I buy cigarettes" in the dark. "Neither shop windows nor price tags." "... I, sinfully, do not give up a glass or two of cognac in good company. Yes, and I can use stronger. " smile
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 07: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: Bayonet
      A fighter with alcohol (the author) and himself not an adherent of a healthy lifestyle - "Now I buy cigarettes" in the dark. "Neither shop windows nor price tags." "... I, sinfully, do not give up a glass or two of cognac in good company. Yes, and I can use stronger. " smile

      Hey . Sasha.
      It reminds me of my fellow student who is now a Baptist priest (or a preacher - hell will take them apart) in St. Petersburg.
      So, preaching this Baptist lifestyle - he says the same thing, in my childhood I drank, smoked. walked around the women, but then found God belay
      I still have some misunderstanding.
      I remember him all 5 years as a nerd, in glasses with lenses the size of a tin can, which is not like girls and alcohol, it was not suitable for a cigarette at 30 meters.
      laughing
  • koksalek
    koksalek 16 October 2015 07: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: Michael m
    The country is ruled by the Queen PROFIT.

    And what% of alcohol turnover comes to the budget?
  • sledge
    sledge 16 October 2015 07: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: ziqzaq
    Quote: Bosk
    Firstly, it is necessary to raise the quality of life, because they drink too much from “grayness” and hopelessness and just get drunk from joy, the action seems to be the same, but the process and consequences are different ...

    I agree with you. Does the author propose restricting the sale of alcohol? Already passed, do everyone remember the humpback? The fight against alcoholism begins with a normal education, the ability to realize oneself, from social justice finally ...
    PS
    The problem is not in alcohol, but in the culture of consumption ....

    I agree! I completely agree. I’ll add from myself - now I’m buying a book, going to the theater or a cinema is more expensive than buying a cheap drink.
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 07: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Sanya
      . I’ll add from myself - now I’m buying a book, going to the theater or a cinema is more expensive than buying a cheap drink.

      my wife, at the last visit to Kiev, pulled me to the ballet. wassat
      I want to say that these 3 hours did more harm to my brain and, accordingly, to health than a bottle of cognac. sad
      1. 740
        740 16 October 2015 08: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        my wife, at the last visit to Kiev, pulled me to the ballet. wassat
        I want to say that these 3 hours did more harm to my brain and, accordingly, to health than a bottle of cognac.

        I had to send my wife and parents to the ballet, and take a walk along the familiar Kiev chiks. It’s more interesting. repeat
  • VostSib
    VostSib 16 October 2015 07: 34 New
    0
    ... Russian is the only nation that is poisoned by alcohol and is proud of it ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 16 October 2015 09: 34 New
      +3
      I am not Russian, but I ask you not to offend the Russians. most drink British, Germans, Czechs. Russians are not even in the first dozen. And then, look at the store shelves. Overwhelmed with alcohol, as well as sausage. Why? In Tatarstan, it is officially stated that alcohol consumption has plummeted. I see this as a result of attention to sports in the republic. Moreover, in the microdistricts almost all over the city there are open sports grounds. Many times I saw how guys gather and compete on horizontal bars even in winter. I have a house in the village. When I often see food, teenagers in groups or one at a time (and even girls) run in tracksuits along the road between 2 villages.
    2. Beaver
      Beaver 16 October 2015 09: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: VostSib
      Russian is the only nation that is poisoned by alcohol and is proud of it

      Well, why is the only one? At a minimum, there are also Poles and Ukrainians.
      "And I am a gentleman - I drink gorilochku like water!"
      A normal role model?
  • Owl
    Owl 16 October 2015 07: 39 New
    +4
    There is a war going on against Russia, the authorities only now began to speak clearly about this, but apart from conversations there should still be concrete actions: calling for and agitation for a healthy lifestyle, without "bad habits"; the revival of the citizen's ability to engage in physical education for free near his place of residence; free children's sports sections in schools and in the youth sports school; increased attention of law enforcement agencies "on the ground" to the younger generation, to citizens aged 15-19 years, prone to "samples of adult life"; restricting the entry of Asian and Ukrainian migrant workers, reviving the working class of Russia, conducting new industrialization and collectivization. The people of Russia must understand that there is a war and only a strong, healthy, competent and skillful people will come out of this war as a winner.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 16 October 2015 09: 45 New
      +1
      And one must also understand that complex problems do not have simple solutions. The people have been sanctified for decades, almost a century. Therefore, there is no need to wait for a quick return to normal life. It takes a long, consistent, purposeful work, not a cavalry attack. hi
  • Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 16 October 2015 07: 45 New
    +3
    First of all, ban the sale of chemistry such as screwdriver cocktails and others like them. A beer substitute that has been standing for years and does not deteriorate. Young people also get drunk on him. A strict control system for production, for falsyikat, as previously written, should be planted for at least 5 years without an udo. Remove alcohol ads. And then they twist around the box like I drank it and you're cool, only the boiled eggs are cooler. Need propaganda of a sober lifestyle. Moonshine for yourself drive is not a problem but only sold caught be nice for 5 years in a sanatorium, etc. Otherwise, everything is in vain. Well, our huckster who is commerce they must be responsible for quality. And not some sort of merchandiser or loader but the owner of the company should sit.
  • prostofily
    prostofily 16 October 2015 07: 54 New
    +1
    So far, the most acute problem is the quality of the product, where the product can potentially cause poisoning - it is 90 percent put on the shelves already real poison, where any organism even with 50 grams gets a hole such as with a good product of 500 grams.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 16 October 2015 08: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: prostofily
      oka the most acute problem in product quality

      The most acute problem is the availability of poison. What is the difference between fake vodka and excise, if they are poured from the same tank ???
  • Roust
    Roust 16 October 2015 08: 12 New
    +2
    Everyone must decide for himself: how much, where, with whom and what quality of alcohol he should drink. It all depends on education and self-discipline. No need to "sin" on the state, school, bad alcohol, social status, etc. etc. .... As the saying goes: you can’t drink, don’t torment your ass. Think about your family, your health and your future.
  • mpzss
    mpzss 16 October 2015 08: 20 New
    +3
    sobriety should be introduced at home, and I don’t see the point of blaming the state, if the child sees that they are drinking at home, they are drinking on the street, then he will drink, but if parents begin to explain everything to him correctly, then there is every chance to rectify the situation!
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 October 2015 08: 29 New
    +2
    Stop thumping! Bluing is evil! In the country, horseradish knows what is happening, enemies at the borders grit their teeth, ready to clutch their throats, and here people are in oblivion. The revolutionary situation is already ripe - this is when the tops cannot steal in a new way, and the lower classes do not want to plump in the old. And we all discuss how much to drink, a lot or a little?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 October 2015 08: 41 New
    +6
    Such an article in the morning, and even on Friday ... This is a mockery! laughing
    let me calmly finish it until the end of the working day! drinks
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 16 October 2015 09: 44 New
      +3
      Dear Meehan, a lot of cholesterol on the table. It is harmful. vodka in the refrigerator. Instead of sausage and bacon I recommend boiled pork. Take a loin, make longitudinal cuts, rub with spices so that it gets into the incisions too. Do not salt much. Sprinkle with garlic (or docs of lemon, apples, plums, whatever you want, you can put the potatoes sliced ​​along - there will be a side dish), wrap in foil or a special bag for baking. After an hour, you can safely put it on the middle shelf of the oven, heated to 180-200 degrees. When you see that juice is boiling in a bag and boils, reduce to 140-120 degrees and after 40 minutes it is ready.
      The time has gone. you still have time. bully drinks
      Well, seriously, alcohol for normal people is an element of the ritual of communication, and not a way to be a patsstol quickly. everyone can choose a sober lifestyle or for a company symbolically to skip for health (a meeting, beloved women all over the world, etc.). It’s all the same to an alcoholic where, what, with whom, how ... For most people, part of the culture of communication. hi
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 16 October 2015 10: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: Balu
        a lot of cholesterol on the table. It is harmful.

        Dear Balu, do not poison my soul with a heart attack! I saw in cardiology a lot of men who do not drink and do not smoke ... I truly felt sorry for them! But the result was one ... hi EVERYTHING SHOULD BE IN MODERATION! I ate it and drank the Iperatsky cognac (Kazakhstan) ... I remembered in the hospital often and happily smiled in intensive care ..))) laughing
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 16 October 2015 12: 04 New
          +3
          Will you be in Bashkiria or Kazakhstan, try pressed horse meat. In!!!
          A lot of cholesterol is bad, it is not even negotiable.
          What respected Mikhan I agree with you, you have to do everything with pleasure: work and relax, love and hate, be friends and fight, swear and just love life. hi
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 16 October 2015 12: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: Balu
            What respected Mikhan I agree with you, you have to do everything with pleasure: work and relax, love and hate, make friends and fight, swear and just love life

            It doesn’t always work, but you’re right. This is the main thing in life! hi We will not die alive ...
  • Vorchun
    Vorchun 16 October 2015 09: 00 New
    +5
    I smoke and I like to sit with a good friend with a stopar, but I have an offer to the government.
    1 - State monopoly on the production and sale of any alcohol-containing drinks and tobacco products (drugs - strictly according to the prescription).
    2 - Trade in alcohol-containing drinks and tobacco products only in specialized alcohol stores, one per administrative district of the city (district center in rural areas). (It’s easier to control the quality and mode of trading).
    3 - Toughening the punishment for illegal trade, up to confiscation of property and the real term of punishment.
    Trade in taverns and the like must also be reviewed.
    But who will pass such a law? It seems a considerable part of our legislators has a percentage of the production and sale of alcohol and tobacco products. And the bees will not accept the law against honey.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 16 October 2015 09: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Vorchun
      2 - Trade in alcohol-containing drinks and tobacco products only in specialized alcohol stores, one per administrative district of the city (district center in rural areas). (It’s easier to control the quality and mode of trading).

      I remember back in the USSR we had one specialized store ... The people called the Eternal Call)))) You wrote everything correctly, but control is expensive and complicated! Here's the sale of alc. until 10 pm it has been yielding its results for a long time (young people on the benches seldom drink at night ..) .. It is necessary to deal with this unequivocally, but it is to work with youth ..! hi
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 16 October 2015 09: 03 New
    +1
    Umbrella propaganda? Russia is not cool, do you have alcoholics lying around here? I hasten to object, with alcoholics in the USA and Europe things are not better, but God forbid you to hint about this - you will be punished, and not the fact that by law.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 16 October 2015 09: 11 New
    +1
    It seems to me that we just need to put local officials in their place. After all, it is with their permission that such institutions are opened. Well, we don’t have to talk about product quality at all. Solid counterfeit and fake. So, you need to fight with everything at once. And not as a restructuring, cut down everything at the root.
  • oracul
    oracul 16 October 2015 09: 19 New
    +1
    Again, someone is drawn to prohibitions and restrictions. All this from the evil one. Folk wisdom says - the forbidden fruit is sweet. Like it or not, winemaking is an integral part of human culture. An example of beer, by the way, shows that young people are so hooked on it, first of all, thanks to persistent advertising (propaganda) of the 90s and affordability. Much certainly determines the level of culture. Today, educated young people prefer wine to strong drinks. This is one of the reasons for the decline in vodka consumption. And yet, let's agree that most car drivers are not drunkards, and there are more and more of them today.
    It is necessary to work, first of all, with those who know no boundaries and I will keep. It is not necessary to put everyone in a heap, introducing general prohibitions and putting normal people in an idiotic position. Think about it: the vast majority of them. Do they drink children, women who are initially prone to a sober lifestyle, although they are not against drinking champagne on holidays, do men drink without exception? Yes, all this is nonsense. The difference between our drunkenness and the western one, which actually drinks more than ours, is that the majority of Westerners, having pretty good enough, try to go home. Our people are drawn to the streets, where there is always room for "feat" and courage. It is at this moment that they begin to say “compliments” to women, sing (rather yell) songs, talk loudly and are offended by those who do not want to talk to them or call for order, etc. What is this if not lack of culture? Let’s deal with those who don’t know the measures, who open their hands in the family, who commit crimes while intoxicated. Bans never solve problems if their causes are not eliminated, but only create the illusion of struggle.
    You didn’t think about the fact that most often normal people become viewers and listeners of anti-alcohol videos and lectures, and once they drink to drunkards. It might be better to do this: if you work in a sobering-up station, naturally paid, sober up - home and work, but be kind after work or on weekends (due to circumstances), go for a certain time (without fail), go and listen to anti-alcohol propaganda - to nausea, to vomit, figuratively speaking. Well, gentlemen who are homeless and not working, let them work until they pay for their stay in the detoxification center and every day they "enjoy" pictures from the lives of their own kind. And what! And cheap and cheerful.
    But, most importantly, I completely join this point of view, any person, and in this case we are talking, above all, about men, should have a real business in life. Still, women are protected to some extent by the instinct of motherhood, and men, by instinct, are a breadwinner (hunter) - in modern conditions this means having a job and a decent salary, a defender (including military service, law enforcement) of the family hearth, needlework (there are so-called men's affairs).
    After all, why drink more in the outback? There is no work, but if there is, then there is no salary, living conditions are not ah, sometimes it’s simply not possible to get to the civilized center - it’s either expensive or no transport at all. What is the Internet there, if there is no normal connection and the TV, God forbid, works when there is electricity. And the “favorite” shoes are rubber boots. And a store in which, at present, prices are exorbitant compared to the city. So the men drink, realizing that life did not work out, that the wife is right, reproaching - people live somewhere. And lovers of prohibitions, here they are with their own initiatives. It’s better to think about why, after the gravest World War II, people drank less than in the graceful years of stagnation and the current years — of the primary accumulation of capital?
  • waiting
    waiting in 16 October 2015 09: 24 New
    +3
    Alcoholism and drug addiction have one reason, social roots !!!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 16 October 2015 10: 13 New
      +1
      Alcoholism and drug addiction have one reason, social roots !!!

      Not only. There is also genetics. And there is a lifestyle, braces that are laid in the family. If in a family a person feels uncomfortable, seeks self-affirmation outside the home, falls under the influence of others, perceives other people's attitudes.
  • Frigate
    Frigate 16 October 2015 09: 24 New
    +1
    Well, actually they take alcohol to change perceptions. As they have already said, this drug is only less dangerous. Moreover, it often leads a person to an animal state and lower. In order to rid people of alcohol, you need to teach him to change perception without the use of substances. smile
  • kasimsot
    kasimsot 16 October 2015 09: 36 New
    0
    sometimes, on a sober head, I behave like a drunk (sorry for money for alcohol) sensations are not described)) people shy away, screaming fights flashing lights ... and in the morning the head does not hurt and I remember
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 16 October 2015 10: 16 New
      +2
      consult a psychologist. By the way, Yandex has a "test bank." Select the link-psychological tests. I assure you, it is very interesting to turn yourself inside out and look at yourself from the side. At one time, it helped me to get rid of misconceptions and become calmer and firmer when I need to be more flexible. People have ceased to be a mystery to me with all their show-offs, grimaces and kookies. hi
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  • Million
    Million 16 October 2015 10: 12 New
    0
    The fight against alcohol in Russia did not lead to anything good.
  • Pasha
    Pasha 16 October 2015 10: 19 New
    0
    How many problems in Russia. and alcoholism is one of them. but you will remember how it all began. how they made sick Russia out of a healthy state of the USSR. the population is declining without war. Is it profitable for someone? answer yourself this question. To whom? Or do you think that those in power are not aware of the powders and additives that are added to alcohol, alcohol. Everyone has a familiarity with the problem of alcoholism: who drank, who divorced, who lost their rights, who lost their jobs, health shook, children and wives they hate who it hurts to look at in the morning. And now remember the last time you, you personally stopped an alcoholic, or said do not drink, it is harmful to everyone. They just kill us. And we do not resist. After all, if a child crosses the road to red, you stop him, but we pass by if he drinks beer or smokes a cigarette. We are being bullied. We don’t know what we are using. More precisely, we know that they poison, but we still use it. Think about your family and friends, about your plans and goals. So this is MIRAGE through the prism of a bottle. And lastly. I remember how I started smoking back in '93, cool, fashionable, filter cigarettes, and WHAT ........?
  • Yarik
    Yarik 16 October 2015 10: 25 New
    +1
    Very old (2) RU Today, 06:34 ↑

    To be or not to be


    Two beer or not two beer laughing
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 October 2015 11: 13 New
      +2
      belay Many on the site? Do you write on an enemy? Ali did not hang out in ya?
  • veksha50
    veksha50 16 October 2015 10: 28 New
    +1
    "There is a struggle, but there is an imitation of a struggle. And this imitation is much worse"...

    Here’s a lively yesterday’s example - the State Duma raised the issue of banning the sale of alcohol on Fridays ... anyone and at any time ... There is a very long justification for the need to do this on the day before the weekend, and what benefit it will bring to the people ...

    Involuntarily yesterday I asked myself a question (and not the first time) - YOU what, boyars, in the Duma there is already nothing to do ??? No more pressing matters ??? And now, for SUCH labors, from November 1, they will increase your wages TWO (!!!) times ???

    PS As for the sobering-ups ... This service was born when Peter 1 was charged with the obligation of the police to deliver wallowing drunken people home (if he remembered his place of residence) or in a broom until completely sober up with the sole purpose of preventing deaths, and not for fighting purposes with drunkenness ...
  • victorrat
    victorrat 16 October 2015 10: 29 New
    +1
    Well, damn it, you guys. This topic has been for centuries! They argued, argued, and things will remain there and there. Alas.
    Attempts to overcome the evil of drunkenness without living conditions that allow you not to take an example from your parents or remove oligarchs, thieves and bandits is fantastic. And to discuss complete recklessness on a topic that cannot be overcome by reasoning)))
    Our ancestors, the Slavs, drank honey, then their king and traders forced them to drink vodka and wine, as in the entire "civilized" world. Naturally, we have achieved excellent results in this.
    Who does not remember the sober riots of the peasants against the merchants of vodka?
    Nobody will force the state to abolish now, to introduce a prohibition. Everywhere sitting traders. Our task is to set an example for children.
    We do not want? Then there is nothing to blame on the government. Which of you instructed deputies of all levels to ban the sale of wine and vodka?
    No one!
    And now they offer not to trade on Fridays. 1.09 and 27.06 are no longer trading.
    Those. someone understands that slowly, without muttering about harm. you need to accustom to a normal lifestyle.
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 October 2015 11: 15 New
      0
      winked It is called a classic ... Like "War and Peace" .. Eternal theme, eternal problems
    2. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 11: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: victorrat
      Our ancestors, the Slavs, drank honey, then their king and traders forced them to drink vodka and wine, as in the entire "civilized" world. Naturally, we have achieved excellent results in this.

      I do not think . that it’s generally correct to use the word –– forced.
      Nobody forced anyone. They wanted - they drank, and why drank - that’s the question.

      Quote: victorrat
      Who does not remember the sober riots of the peasants against the merchants of vodka?

      You know, selling vodka is a commercial enterprise, if you hadn’t bought it, they would have simply gone broke.
      It was not necessary to fight with taverns, but with customers, or rather, with the reasons forcing these people to spend the last money on the bitter.
      so, a bit of humor in the subject
      Father is sitting in the kitchen and drinking vodka. Suitable daughter:
      - Dad, can I take empty bottles, hand them over and buy some bread?
      - Take it, hand it over. What would you eat without me here?
  • Thor
    Thor 16 October 2015 10: 48 New
    +1
    IMHO it's not even about the quality of the product, as many write! And in the state will! First you need to erase the image of successful people with a drink in media resources (with cognac on a yacht, with whiskey in a "Bentley", etc.), because a very seductive image for teens, at least somehow match! Then, at the legislative level, regulate the availability of alcoholic products and the mass distribution of them (example: Sweden, excuse me, for Europe, but it struck me very much during the trip there that it is very difficult to get alcohol stronger than 4%, and even something stronger It’s very problematic, because it is sold in special shops working by no means around the clock, if I’m not mistaken until 18:00, and these shops are not at every step! Well, the next stage is the creation of the image of a positive alternative, in the form of sports both in the media space and in terms of accessibility, the development of sports infrastructures so that the younger generation has a firm idea in their minds that a healthy lifestyle is the key to success!
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 16 October 2015 11: 02 New
    +3
    How enrages me spineless. After all, these alcoholics and drug addicts not only harm themselves, but also the entire Russian state.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 16 October 2015 11: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: ilya_oz
      How enrages me spineless. After all, these alcoholics and drug addicts not only harm themselves, but also the entire Russian state.

      Now in the evening "our brotherhood" will be pulled back from work, they will explain everything to you about a "sober lifestyle", etc. tired angry .. So "disappear" before it's too late! drinks
  • IAlex
    IAlex 16 October 2015 11: 32 New
    0
    Well, in my country house, which is located in a small town of 30 thousand inhabitants and 160 km from Moscow, all alcoholics died out as early as 5 - 10 years ago ... On weekdays you will not find anyone on the streets already in the evening, everyone is getting ready to work , and on weekends everyone runs to their dachas and goes about their business, incl. there’s no time to drink, and in general I haven’t seen any bucks for a long time ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: IAlex
      Well, in my country house, which is located in a small town of 30 thousand inhabitants and 160 km from Moscow, all alcoholics died out as early as 5 - 10 years ago ... On weekdays, no one in the evening already on the streets you will not find everyone is getting ready for work, and on weekends everyone runs to their dachas and goes about their business, incl. there’s no time to drink, and in general I haven’t seen bukh for a long time ...

      what is this city called?
  • traveler
    traveler 16 October 2015 11: 41 New
    -1
    the country thumped, thumps and will thump.
    we have such a people. go to any city holiday, look at the faces of the townspeople, half are some kind of idiots. what other entertainment can you offer them?
  • MahsusNazar
    MahsusNazar 16 October 2015 11: 44 New
    +2
    You know, I liked the phrase once read that Stalin did not fight with vodka, but in people's free time.
    So I think that prohibitions will not help much, but if a person is busy with a business that is interesting for himself, he will not run to drink.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 16 October 2015 12: 00 New
    +1
    I drank it before, now I quit, I don’t use anything stronger than kvass and I’m glad about it. Besides, I completely changed my circle of friends for people who don’t drink. Life has become better. And I manage to have fun on vacation without alcohol. those people who do not drink to see drunk and inhale their stink.
    By the way, finally, in the city on the street you can’t meet drunken bukhariks. They are still scattered around the yards, but there they are quickly handed over by watchful window attendants and the police pack them.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 October 2015 12: 04 New
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    "According to the latest data from Rospotrebnadzor, the number of alcoholics in Russia exceeded the mark of 5 people. Only 000% of patients with alcoholism are registered. Alcoholism caused the death of 000/1.7 of all men and 1% of women. If translated into figures, approximately one dies of alcohol 3 15 people a year. So many people do not die from wars, epidemics and natural disasters, even if put together. Alcohol abuse in Russia is directly or indirectly related: 500% of suicides, 000% of murders, 62.1% of deaths from pancreatitis, 72.2% of "cirrhosis and 60% of cardiovascular diseases. Annually register more than 67.7 thousand cases of poisoning with low-quality alcohol, including fatal." http://alcostop.org/materials/alcoholism-statistica-russian
    This is due to your money paid as taxes, they are treated. That they do not support their families. It is their children who grow up dysfunctional and sick. Are they the defenders of the motherland? Are their children the future of our country?
  • morozik
    morozik 16 October 2015 12: 11 New
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    Alcohol brings joy and sorrow.
    Imaginary joy, real grief.

    A.V. Melnikov

    The film tells about VOLUNTARY alcohol consumption by women and the hard work of Moscow hospitals on the day of the holiday. If a man needs several years to finally sleep, then a woman will have 6-7 months ...

    The cruel truth, isn't it?

    Perhaps this is why the film was not allowed to be shown on the first channel.
  • morozik
    morozik 16 October 2015 12: 27 New
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