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Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Kuril Islands Issue

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The Trans-Pacific Partnership, actively promoted by the United States in its own interests, is close to adopting a final look. The opening of local markets, which will follow, will bring profits to the American economy comparable to those it received during the world wars. Since the Pacific Partnership is closer to completion, it is his Russian diplomacy that will have to be torpedoed until it has spurred the Transatlantic partnership, which is much more dangerous for the Russian Federation. This is where some opportunities open up before Moscow.


Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Kuril Islands Issue


Transatlantic (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, TTIP) and Trans-Pacific (Trans-Pacific Partnership, TPP) trade partnerships are essentially a new incarnation of the same “open door doctrine” that Washington has been pursuing since the end of the 19th century in China - in the form it is beneficial to all, and in fact - only the United States of America. It’s just now that the scale is bigger, and there is no one to resist - the former geopolitical competitors have been cleansed and turned into vassals. Rejecting the diplomatic husk, you can talk about the new “Iron Curtain”, but already from America and its satellites. It is not by chance that there is an unspoken ban on the Internet to publish both “partnerships” on one card together, so that ordinary people do not clearly understand the scale of what is happening. To put it simply, America takes away all the most tidbits of the world: the EU, Japan, Australia and all the others who are needed in the strategy of domination, and all the others are plunged into chaos.

In the Russian Federation, it seems, they are finally aware of the danger that all these closed “partnerships” carry, which sooner or later will lower the deaf barrier in front of Russian goods, including energy, which will become a real catastrophe. Also, the emergence of such “partnerships” inevitably annuls all mechanisms of the WTO, where the Russian Federation climbed with great difficulty and monstrous damage to its own economy.

October 14 The Russian Foreign Ministry through the mouth of Maria Zakharova and Sergey Lavrov outlined the idea of ​​the TTP as extremely dangerous. Other officials have spoken about in the same vein. Well, it’s very nice that Russian diplomats finally realized the threat and at least started talking about it. But what will be the actions of Russia, while similar barriers have not been lowered by Europe?

As you know, the Japanese-Russian relations, which started to improve, collapsed again in 2014-2015, when the pro-American wing in Tokyo gained the upper hand. At the moment, attempts are being made to restore the ruined. At first, the leaders of the two countries met on the margins of the UN General Assembly, and on October 8, a meeting of the deputy foreign ministers took place in Moscow. In Tokyo, they are determined to accept Putin by the end of 2015, despite active opposition from the United States.

Naturally, the main issue during the visit of the President of the Russian Federation will be precisely the territorial issue. If Putin and Abe finally fail to agree, a new break in relations is inevitable (and as a result, Japan’s final withdrawal from the TTP), but otherwise there are much more interesting options. If that almost unbelievable compromise is reached *, then the Trans-Pacific Partnership can be used, if not a bold cross, then a question mark is certain.

The thing is that a compromise is likely to mean the emergence of territories with transitional status. The more such an area turns out to be, the longer the transition period will be, during which Japan will not be able to be a member of the TTP. And without the rich market of the Land of the Rising Sun, the entire structure of the TTP actually loses its meaning. It is impossible to understand whether such a combination is a phenomenal find of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or, more likely, such a result came out by chance, but the situation is more than curious.

Skeptics may argue that in three to five years the period of transitional status will expire, and the obstacles to Japan’s entry into the TTP will disappear. So it is, but not quite. In three-five years, anything can happen in world politics. Events in our difficult time do not just develop quickly - they literally rush at a gallop. It may happen that in five years no “partnerships” will ever be remembered, for more vital interests will appear.

By the way, about the United States - they predictably criticized through the representative of the State Department John Kirby preparations for the visit to Vladimir Putin in Tokyo. The fury of Americans is easy to understand, considering what they risk. The TPP is a matter of principle for Barack Obama personally. The creation of a global trade agreement will override most of his blunders in all the years of the presidency and will allow history The USA is at least not complete (namely, everything goes to this) a loser. True, the United States itself has enough influential opponents of the TTP, including party members of the president. Japan’s troubles are the last thing Obama needs now. Tokyo, in turn, receives a legal excuse to slip out of the TTP, which is absolutely unprofitable for it, which threatens local agricultural producers with complete ruin.



Observers and analysts once again can state that whether or not Tokyo and Moscow agree, almost the entire global configuration, both economic and political, depends. As the United States Foreign Ministry spokesman Yasuhisa Kawamura previously noted, the leaders of Russia and Japan, Vladimir Putin and Shinzo Abe, reached an agreement to continue negotiations to find a mutually acceptable resolution of territorial disputes.

“The meeting lasted 40 minutes, the discussion was frank and very versatile and meaningful. They discussed three points, one of them - territorial issues. First of all, Russia and Japan agreed to advance negotiations on a peace treaty, so that they could find a mutually acceptable solution ... The Prime Minister said that negotiations on a peace treaty should be advanced in accordance with the agreements reached by both leaders in April 2013 of the year. ”

Of course, the preferences of the Japanese side are voiced here. What considerations does Moscow have on this score, we will know closer to the end of the year.

* Note. The Russian side proposes to resolve the issue on the basis of the Soviet-Japanese declaration 1956 of the year, which ended the state of war between the countries and provided for the transfer of Japan only to Shikotan and Habomai after the conclusion of a full-fledged peace treaty. In Tokyo, they reject this interpretation, insisting on the provisions of the 1993 Tokyo Declaration of the Year, which proclaimed all four islands to be disputed. Shikotan and Habomai together make up only 7% of the total area of ​​the disputed territory. A territorial dispute prevents the two countries from signing a peace treaty and finally determining the state border.
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  1. inkass_98
    inkass_98 19 October 2015 06: 53 New
    +16
    That the Trans-Pacific, that the Trans-Atlantic partnerships - benefit in them for only one partner, and this partner is the United States. Europe and the countries of the Asia-Pacific basin will open their markets to manufacturers from the United States, thereby ruining their own production, not only agriculture, but also industry. One must be completely blind or venal politician in order to take such a step in relation to his countries. Apparently, compromising evidence or bribes from the States is very good if this engine continues to rush forward in full steam.
    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 19 October 2015 08: 30 New
      +5
      Now no one thinks about their own country and about people. He served his time as a Washington puppet, gathered up green candy wrappers, and then they absolutely do not care what happens. Monarchs always thought more about their country than interim managers. Something needs to be changed ...
      1. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 19 October 2015 11: 20 New
        +4
        And what we do not have enough for ourselves to develop our country. This is a collapse for a liberal company, and for Russia there is nothing to worry about.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 19 October 2015 13: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: shtanko.49
          And what we do not have enough for ourselves to develop our country. This is a collapse for a liberal company, and for Russia there is nothing to worry about.

          Absolutely right! We simply must in our country rich in resources and people restore the economy to the level of complete independence from any import and the need to trade for these very resources for it. And in general - any other interpretation of the Yalta agreements is a review of the results of 2 world war, which should remain unshakable! Our country has saved the whole world from the brown plague, and first of all we ourselves must always remember this and behave accordingly to the winner! Why the hell should we Japs for the sake of their deceitful hypocritical friendliness and alliance give their land, soaked in the blood of our grandfathers? Yes, do not go to them in the garden!
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 19 October 2015 13: 35 New
        +1
        The monarchs thought which country they would leave to their son, grandson ....
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 13: 32 New
      0
      Someone said at Babayan that TTP is neocolonialism in fact ... I’ll add from myself that the EU is also a neocolonial system (there are metropolitan countries — Germany, England, France, Italy, and there are colony countries — Bulgaria, Romania, and Baltic “tigers” , Croatia, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Greece, etc.) ... The West has historically been used to living just like that, in the paradigm of colonialism !!! The rise of the west began with the colonial wars !!! And TTP and TAP are just an attempt to respond to the BRICS and SCO projects, pairing the EAEU projects and the New Silk Road !!! The United States decided in advance to isolate itself from competition from Chinese products, whose quality is increasing day by day! And in 10 years, with close economic, scientific, technological cooperation between Russia and China, Chinese and Russian competition will become unbearable for American goods ..
    3. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 19 October 2015 15: 06 New
      +1
      Note on the map as an illustration that the Kuril Islands chopped off ... paddyyyyyyy
  2. anfil
    anfil 19 October 2015 07: 13 New
    +21
    If Putin and Abe ultimately do not agree, a new break in relations is inevitable (and, as a result, Japan’s final departure to TTP), but otherwise there are much more interesting options. If that almost unbelievable compromise is reached *, then at the Trans-Pacific Partnership you can put, if not a bold cross, then a question mark for sure.


    What are you hinting at, suggesting that you give in to the Japs, just so that they might not enter the TTP ?! Put your interests in a causal place.
    1. Kibalchish
      19 October 2015 08: 21 New
      -8
      Putin suggested. And for a long time. Here you have the official proof

      http://www.rg.ru/2004/11/16/lavrov.html

      Just now you can set additional conditions and gain time. At least a year or two.

      And it would not hurt you to learn good manners.
      1. Oper6300
        Oper6300 19 October 2015 13: 17 New
        +1
        1) Putin is good, but still not God - he could have been mistaken.
        2) To gain time for what, for further oil trade, territories, etc.?
        3) Perhaps he was rude, but still right.
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 19 October 2015 14: 23 New
        +6
        Quote: Kibalchish
        http://www.rg.ru/2004/11/16/lavrov.html

        Great link!

        From it, by the way, it is clear that:

        In 1993, the Tokyo Declaration on Russian-Japanese relations was signed, which states that Russia is a successor to the USSR and that all agreements signed between the USSR and Japan will be recognized by Russia and Japan. From the point of view of international law, certain conditions must be met for the implementation of the 1956 Declaration.

        First, complete withdrawal of foreign troops from Japan and the elimination of foreign military bases in Japan. Second, the signing of a peace treaty. Third, with the transfer of the two islands, we urge Japan to remove once and for all all territorial claims against Russia. None of these conditions are met.

        It is clear that highlighted in red - For Japan, stupidly unrealizable. That is why all negotiations around the Kuril Islands will continue .. like a fairy tale about the White Bull.

        Minus article, author - alarmist and alarmist (which, in essence, is one and the same) yes
    2. Uzzy
      Uzzy 19 October 2015 09: 20 New
      +8
      offer to give in to the Japs, only so that they may not have entered the TTP ?!

      Obviously, even if such a transfer takes place, the Japanese will still enter the TPP, it will be the will of the owner. It is naive to think otherwise!
      Ps anfil Observe the limits of decency, the author gives his personal opinion, this is not a reason to be rude!
      1. provincial
        provincial 19 October 2015 11: 19 New
        0
        It turns out that not all commentators at school. However, they skip.
  3. Prometheus
    Prometheus 19 October 2015 07: 14 New
    +10
    It is known that the Kuril Islands give us access to the Pacific Ocean, allow us to have a "pistol at the temple" of Japan, and make the Sea of ​​Okhotsk our inland sea. Finally, there are mineral resources, a rhenium deposit on Iturup, and rich fishing grounds. It seems that I even heard something about a military base.
    What’s the point? The Russian side proposes to transfer only Habomai and Shikotan to Japan, and these two islands definitely have nothing extra-important for us, such as some kind of deposit, and do not carry strategic significance?
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 19 October 2015 09: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: Prometheus
      What’s the point? The Russian side proposes to transfer only Habomai and Shikotan to Japan, and these two islands definitely have nothing extra-important for us, such as some kind of deposit, and do not carry strategic significance?

      So you note:
      Federal Law of July 31 1998 155-FZ
      "On inland sea waters, the territorial sea and the adjacent zone of the Russian Federation"
      1 Article. Definition and boundaries of inland sea waters of the Russian Federation

      1. Inland sea waters of the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as inland sea waters) are waters located offshore from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea of ​​the Russian Federation is measured.
      Inland sea waters are an integral part of the territory of the Russian Federation.
      2. Inland waters include waters:
      ports of the Russian Federation, limited by a line passing through the most remote points of the hydraulic engineering and other permanent port structures to the sea;
      bays, bays, lips and estuaries, the coasts of which are wholly owned by the Russian Federation, to a straight line drawn from coast to coast at the highest tide, where for the first time one or more passages form from the sea, if the width of each of them does not exceed 24 nautical miles ;
      bays, bays, lips, estuaries, seas and straits with an entry width of more than 24 nautical miles, which historically belong to the Russian Federation, a list of which is established by the Government of the Russian Federation and published in the Notices to Mariners.
      2 Article. Definition and boundaries of the territorial sea of ​​the Russian Federation

      1. The territorial sea of ​​the Russian Federation (hereinafter referred to as the territorial sea) is a sea belt adjacent to land or internal sea waters with a width of 12 nautical miles, measured from the baselines specified in Article 4 of this Federal Law.
      A different width of the territorial sea may be established in accordance with Article 3 of this Federal Law.
      2. The definition of the territorial sea also applies to all islands of the Russian Federation.
      3. The external border of the territorial sea is the state border of the Russian Federation.
      The internal border of the territorial sea is the baseline, from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.
      4. The sovereignty of the Russian Federation with recognition of the right of peaceful passage of foreign ships through the territorial sea extends to the territorial sea, the airspace above it, as well as to the bottom of the territorial sea and its subsoil.


      GUARANTEE system: http://base.garant.ru/12112602/1/#friends#ixzz3oziwnfHt

      Russia and Japan are also having problems disputing the islands of the Lesser Kuril Ridge, whose total area is 8548,96 sq. km The dispute arose about the state water area and the territory of the Russian Federation with an area of ​​three hundred thousand square kilometers, including for the economic zone of the sea and islands, which is rich in seafood and fish, and for the shelf zone, which has oil reserves. - Read more on FB.ru: http://fb.ru/article/145470/morskaya-granitsa-rossii-granitsyi-rf

      Don't write nonsense about anything anymore. fool
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 19 October 2015 10: 22 New
      +3
      These islands have territorial waters and an economic management zone. Or whatever it is called there. And this is in a region rich in marine biological resources.
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 October 2015 10: 45 New
        +3
        The region is rich in resources, for some reason there are no fish !!!!
        it is much more profitable to sell the catch to Japan, China, etc.
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 13: 37 New
      0
      The value of the Kuril Islands is precisely in strategic importance ...
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 October 2015 07: 18 New
    +16
    The Trans-Pacific Partnership is the last step towards the complete colonization of the United States of Europe. If Europe wants to become a full-fledged colony of the United States, then welcome. As for the Kuril Islands, I want to say the only thing - if we follow the question of Japan, then we should immediately expect territorial claims from some other countries. Do we need this?
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 13: 52 New
      0
      There will be no reason! There will be promises! ... And that’s right, in politics it’s just that, he promised, and they’ll wait for the promised 3 years ... And in principle, TTP and TAP, as someone again said at Babayan’s, the gesture of the State Department’s despair is not good, the pepper is clear , lives .... You see, they agree to give the Japanese the auto industry (supposedly a gift) to the Japanese, in reality they are pushing rotten goods to the Japanese, the American auto industry is already cracking at the seams today, and after 10 years it won’t even be able to compete in quality with the Indians !!! Or another example: when Steve Jobs was still alive, Barack asked him: “Is it possible to return Apple production to the USA ???” ... Jobs answered: “No! This is already impossible, there are not enough professional workers !!!” ...
  5. shinobi
    shinobi 19 October 2015 07: 25 New
    +12
    If you give the islands, then with modern coastal weapons on our Pacific Fleet you can put an end to it. This will not happen.
    1. Gloomy
      Gloomy 19 October 2015 08: 35 New
      +16
      Today we will give them the islands, but tomorrow they will still be against us and will demand Sakhalin. Here, no concessions need to be addressed. How many of these litter do not feed - all the same, they will fall under Washington.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 19 October 2015 13: 55 New
        0
        Too absolutely true! They respect only power, they ride on the weak ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 19 October 2015 10: 41 New
      -3
      Japan in the know HOW happens after a nuclear bombing, it is doubtful that they will want to refresh the experience ..
      And about "with modern coastal weapons on our Pacific Fleet you can put an end to it" - there are still enough ranges from Japan now, the question is the desire to fight ...
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 19 October 2015 13: 59 New
        0
        The Kuril Islands block access to the mainland, say, the US and Japanese fleets this time ... The Kuril Islands provide Pacific Fleet access to the ocean, otherwise without them the Pacific Fleet will be locked off the coast, it will become a coastal fleet — that's two!
        1. BMW
          BMW 19 October 2015 16: 21 New
          0
          Look at Katu first, then write.
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 13: 54 New
      0
      Absolutely definitely !!!!
  6. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 19 October 2015 07: 37 New
    +5
    I think - nothing can be compromised!
    Claw to lose, the whole abyss of birds!
    What is not valuable today, tomorrow may change its price.
    Not only that, the hunchback gave the territory, but also this news.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 00 New
      +1
      The Kuril Islands are valuable today strategically! After all, Stalin was not when he cut the borders after WWII ....
  7. Victor1
    Victor1 19 October 2015 07: 39 New
    +15
    You can not give the Kuril Islands, not a millimeter of concessions.
    Japan lost, but now dictates the conditions, what kind of nonsense? They are a 100% prostitute and litter of the states, the Americans have re-educated them well, so ours they want to catch is not clear. It is possible to build mutually beneficial relations, but in no case at the expense of any concessions, especially across the territory. But knowing that our government is full of traitors, I am somehow worried.
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 19 October 2015 13: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Victor1
      It is possible to build mutually beneficial relations, but in no case at the expense of any concessions, especially across the territory. But knowing that our government is full of traitors, I am somehow worried.

      Gold words! That is the whole point! Not an inch of the earth - such was the motto of our ancestors and we have no right to even think otherwise! But what our government thinks and will do is a moot point. I personally will be ready to go to the barricades if they give back even a piece of Russian land. Enough to give it back - events in Crimea showed that it was time to take it back!
      1. BMW
        BMW 19 October 2015 16: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Svetlana
        I personally will be ready to go to the barricades

        Without blood plz.
        2016 and 2018, here you have the cards in hand. Knock on people's heads.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 03 New
      +1
      With the same success, the Germans can demand Kaliningrad, the Poles demand Danzig ...
  8. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 19 October 2015 07: 43 New
    +4
    The Japanese have always brazenly poached in our territorial waters. And if you give these islands to them, they can also poach on land.
  9. Wrongle
    Wrongle 19 October 2015 08: 02 New
    +8
    An attempt to influence the creation of a Pacific partnership through Japan, and even through territorial concessions, seems a failure by definition. Nothing can, for example, prevent the United States from replaying entry rules so that the “transitional period" of a pair of islands ceases to matter. Then the Japanese will not only take an important psychological step towards the return of their rights to the islands, but they will also be able to connect to their new partners pressure on the Russian Federation in this matter. I am against concessions. If it is so important to influence this partnership, it is better to take the initiative and wait for the mistakes of the opponents than to take hasty steps.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 04 New
      0
      I think Putin is not mentally retarded, so as not to understand such things ...
  10. Rigla
    Rigla 19 October 2015 08: 22 New
    +6
    Do not pass them anything! What yapi, that the Yankees as they were our enemies will remain! But to trade, to travel tourists, joint projects to implement to us and so nothing prevents.
  11. Zaus
    Zaus 19 October 2015 08: 33 New
    +4
    This is not the first article by Kabardin about the possibility of a “solution” to the Kuril issue. Slowly, the idea of ​​the need to make concessions to the masses brings ...
    1. Kibalchish
      19 October 2015 09: 34 New
      -6
      If the issue is not resolved peacefully, it will be resolved by war - sooner or later. Moreover, this war will begin on the most unfavorable conditions for the Russian Federation. And at the most disadvantageous time.
      While the Kuril Islands were the only potential front, this could not be spit. Now there is Crimea, Donbass, Syria, potentially - Tajikistan. Think about it.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 05 New
        0
        Kernel-loaf-great equalizer, do not forget ...
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 05 New
      0
      May be so...
    3. Evil Kind
      Evil Kind 19 October 2015 16: 18 New
      +1
      Kabardin is constantly raping this topic, and not in our favor. An obviously interested face. He cannot but understand that such exchanges will not lead to anything good for us, which means he does it intentionally. This is not an old international treaty, but a new treaty on the US initiative, and what is the problem for them to change the rules of entry. Yes and with what Kabardin generally argues that, due to the transitional territories (Kuril Islands), Japan will not be able to join the TTP. Nobody knows the text of the document, but he knows, huh !? We are also naively reasoned by the liberals, although this is their job, they are paid for it, 5-10% of which are really naive.
  12. cniza
    cniza 19 October 2015 08: 34 New
    +4
    Quote: inkass_98
    Apparently, compromising evidence or bribes from the States is very good if this engine continues to rush forward in full steam.



    Compromising evidence drives, and bribes in the role of a fair wind for additional incriminating evidence. wink
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 08 New
      0
      That's right! You can dig up dirt on any person in the world, what a character’s hosh ... Compromising money is cheap and cheerful! Bribery is expensive and not absolutely reliable, they can outbid ....
  13. Vasily
    Vasily 19 October 2015 09: 36 New
    +4
    very pleased that Russian diplomats finally realized the threat

    I don’t see anything pleasant in that we realized so late. Yes, and diplomats, not economists and "leaders" of our state. This WTO generally needs to be dealt with. This is a sale of Russia. Who arranged it and why?
    likely to mean the emergence of territories with transitional status

    The article is written by a traitor.
    Igor Kabardin must be watched. What else will his transitional mind give birth to?

    In general, the article was written foolishly.
    There is no objective analysis of the situation. These Japs climb all over with territorial disputes. Why the article does not analyze all of Japan’s policy regarding neighboring states.
    It will be interesting to see how all normal countries, China, for example, sends Japs to ... and only Russia discusses "transitional statuses".
    The last drops of respect for such a country evaporate, as well as for the leadership of such a country.
    Why are such articles published here?
    What are the site organizers chasing ???
    1. BMW
      BMW 19 October 2015 16: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Vasily
      What are the site organizers chasing ???

      So you start thinking. Well, so are we.
  14. 19max70
    19max70 19 October 2015 09: 43 New
    +4
    At the moment, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is our inland sea. The ships of the Pacific Fleet go into the ocean when they want to, without asking anyone. As soon as, under any pretext, the Japanese appear on the Kuril Islands (under US leadership), our Pacific fleet will immediately turn into the Okhotsk flotilla, and the Japanese will have to pay for access to the ocean. Those. states with Japan’s hands will remove competitors, you and I.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 10 New
      0
      Add nothing to the above!
    2. venaya
      venaya 19 October 2015 15: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: 19max70
      Those. states with Japan’s hands will remove competitors, you and I.

      I think your remark most accurately reflects the situation. Neither the Kuril Islands, nor Sakhalin Island, nor the Okinawa archipelago, nor even the Hokkaido skeleton, previously belonged to Japan, other peoples belonging to other ethnic-linguistic groups lived on them. The Japanese Empire acquired all these territories not so long ago, and with the weight of serious participation of figures from their USA. Perhaps this will remind us that Japan is not an independent state formation, which is completely subordinated to the interests of the United States today, and including those still occupied by the US troops (as well as Germany). To negotiate with the Japanese? Excuse me, are they independent in their actions? Here it is necessary to solve more complex problems, do not forget about it at least. It is easy to give, and even if it is profitable in the short term, then it will never be possible to return and we will remain with a large long nose, constantly turning into someone else's colony.
    3. BMW
      BMW 19 October 2015 16: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: 19max70
      . As soon as, under any pretext, the Japanese appear on the Kuril Islands (under the leadership of the United States), our Pacific fleet will immediately turn into the Okhotsk flotilla, and the Japanese will have to pay for access to the ocean

      Yes, look at the map, they settled it.
      The seaside flotilla will now walk around Sakhalin. Measure from Sakhalin to Hokkaido. A line to help you.
  15. The Chat
    The Chat 19 October 2015 10: 05 New
    +6
    Kabardin acts as a US agent promoting the idea through the windows of Overton - now already assuming (while assuming) the possibility of concessions. And then he begins to demand "democratically" to sell, to give in, to transfer .... Dimon gave the Norwegians the sea shelf, do you think this has improved our relations? On the contrary, everyone cheered up with the demands of territorial concessions ...
    It is quite within the framework of the liberal idea to sell everything, to give in to everyone and to sit all so white and fluffy, accusing everyone that the people have gotten kind of stupid - does not understand the charms of US democratic rule.
  16. Roy
    Roy 19 October 2015 10: 34 New
    +4
    No concessions. In general, the topic of our Kuril Islands with the Japanese needs to be closed once and for all, and then everything will settle down right away.
    1. your1970
      your1970 19 October 2015 10: 49 New
      -2
      If it doesn’t settle down, they will continue to raise this issue. The problem is that they will go to Washington more and more.
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 October 2015 11: 10 New
        0
        And you kick me with your feet, then the Japanese will immediately understand that they can’t go to the USA fool what repeat
        They (and not only) are either with us - or with the USA.ANY(in any version, see the country 404, where a generation has grown up that really considers the Russian Federation an enemy or forgotten Cuba) whom we pushed off goes to them. This does not even have to be proved.
        Therefore, negotiate, seek compromises and think, think, think ....
        ZY Well, there is another option, as long as there is no peace treaty and we are still at war - to occupy them and that’s all .... recourse repeat good
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 19 October 2015 13: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: your1970
        If it doesn’t settle down, they will continue to raise this issue. The problem is that they will go to Washington more and more.

        Then piss off!
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 12 New
      0
      It’s more pragmatic to feed unrealizable dreams ... in terms of tactics and strategy ...
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 October 2015 10: 47 New
    -8
    In the topic of the Kuril Islands, as in the topic of the removal of the body of Lenin, the people divided approximately in half. And each half will fight to the end, defending its point of view.
    1. The Chat
      The Chat 19 October 2015 10: 59 New
      +6
      Something is not visible that in the topic of the Kuril people were divided equally. Rather (I think so) - 90% for the fact that you can’t give your territories to the enemy, 5% - both ours and yours, 4% do not understand the problem and 1% of the “liberal”-minded recipients of US grants offer to bend, give everything, sell the leftovers ( territories, conscience, resources) and enjoy such masochism.
      It’s just that those who are the fifth column scream loudest, because the owner requires a report on the work done, otherwise he will not give a denyu ...
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 19 October 2015 11: 48 New
    -1
    Le Chat, you are quick to evaluate, on the principle of who is not with us is against us. It’s not necessary to give the Kuril Islands, but how can the situation be cleverly clever, is the question? Something recently, we are increasingly taking steps under the pressure of any circumstances. And who drives us into these traps? The patriot himself, but cheers-patriotism, like any extreme manifestation, is harmful to the state and people.
  19. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 19 October 2015 12: 14 New
    +3
    Give the Kuril Islands for 3-5 years of postponement of Japan's entry into the TTR ??????? You, f ... were ???????
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 15 New
      +2
      And then Sakhalin, for 3 years of deferment, and then Chukotka, for 3 years of deferment .... And further down the list, you see, it will be possible to delay by 500 years))))))
  20. provincial
    provincial 19 October 2015 12: 21 New
    +2
    yes calm down everything, like the Crimea, Russia will not give the Kuril Islands to anyone, at least until President of the Russian Federation V. Putin. And the article - this author checks the level of your patriotism, and his willingness to give or not to give the Kuril Islands. I’ll think of this process for many years, they’ll come up with on top of something.
  21. Belousov
    Belousov 19 October 2015 12: 44 New
    +2
    Having given the Kuril Islands, Putin will lose the entire rating earned for the Crimea and Syria. And you won’t wash it by anything; you won’t be able to clean it with any telewashing of your brains.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 19 October 2015 14: 16 New
      0
      Putin is like a moron ????
  22. 31rus
    31rus 19 October 2015 13: 31 New
    0
    It’s not the islands that need to be given away, but gentlemen do not have to develop yourselves, gentlemen scare us with all sorts of trans, don’t know how to rebuild, so free up space, don’t forget the Americans themselves are profitable to trade with Russia and you can’t build the notorious “iron curtain”
  23. galakt
    galakt 19 October 2015 14: 05 New
    +2
    Do not give the Kuril Islands under any circumstances. This is, first of all, the entrance to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, our inland sea. These four islands are for us the only non-freezing place for submarines to enter the Pacific Ocean. A peace treaty is required to be concluded without regard to the islands. The islands must be held like a carrot in front of a Japanese sly nose and promise to think, and again promise to think.
  24. Megatron
    Megatron 19 October 2015 14: 22 New
    +2
    This is not the first article of kabardine in this vein; the word itself suggests itself - a traitor!
  25. Smit713
    Smit713 19 October 2015 14: 58 New
    +1
    the author is slowly preparing us for the transfer of the islands of Japan? There can be no transitional status, this is the territory of Russia. A very short-sighted author, proposes to resolve the issue of transferring part of the territory of Russia in exchange for promises to love "to the grave" and not to change with other women. Full of nonsense, designed for the moron "jumpers for a sweet life in a bugger rope", this does not work for us.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 19 October 2015 17: 40 New
      0
      Actually, the Kuril Islands are also watered with the blood of our soldiers. And the author suggests transferring them for some kind of mythical agreement. Do not give us this peace treaty, we have lived without it for 60 years and will continue to live. And Japan itself should be more interested in cooperating with us.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 20 October 2015 19: 30 New
        0
        Quote: Megatron
        the author suggests transferring them for some kind of mythical agreement

        Author - birth by definition ..

        I repeat, I guess (you don’t read the tape, why do you need it):

        Quote: Cat Man Null
        In 1993, the Tokyo Declaration on Russian-Japanese relations was signed, which states that Russia is a successor to the USSR and that all agreements signed between the USSR and Japan will be recognized by Russia and Japan. From the point of view of international law, certain conditions must be met for the implementation of the 1956 Declaration.


        First, complete withdrawal of foreign troops from Japan and the elimination of foreign military bases in Japan. Second, the signing of a peace treaty. Third, with the transfer of the two islands, we urge Japan to remove once and for all all territorial claims against Russia. None of these conditions are met.

        This is from the link cited by the author ..

        It is clear that highlighted in red - For Japan, stupidly unrealizable. That is why all negotiations around the Kuril Islands will continue .. like a fairy tale about the White Bull.

        And then the question is - Why is the article?

        Answer - Igor Kabardin again had nothing to eat ..
        sorry for him.. crying
  26. 1234567890
    1234567890 19 October 2015 16: 23 New
    +1
    An article in the spirit of "Everything is gone, chef! Plaster is removed, the client leaves!" Minus, definitely.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 19 October 2015 22: 00 New
      0
      Author Igor Kabardin (TM)
  27. plaha
    plaha 19 October 2015 21: 54 New
    0
    They sold Alaska under the pretext that there is nothing besides permafrost and that we can’t control it at all, but they’ve earned some money, and now they want to merge the Kuril Islands under this pretext. Unbeknownst to this more in our history
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 19 October 2015 21: 57 New
      -1
      Quote: plaha
      Now the Kuril Islands, under this pretext, want to merge

      And who wants something? Nobody seems to be even going to ..

      Do not read Igor Kabardin at night .. or better, do not read him at all ..
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 20 October 2015 19: 22 New
        +1
        Minus, the passage, from Igor Kabardin ..

        I repeat - do not read the idiot at night .. but rather - do not read at all ..

        Voooot laughing
  28. ILIA
    ILIA 20 October 2015 02: 58 New
    0
    We put the flag of Russia on the extreme point of the extreme island .... We say "No" on the transfer ... and close the question ..
  29. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 20 October 2015 07: 40 New
    0
    Either they sign a peace treaty on our terms, or we will arrange them earthquakes and tsunamis as in 2011.
  30. 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th 20 October 2015 14: 18 New
    0
    There is also China. China would like to see Japan as a trading partner.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 20 October 2015 19: 18 New
      -1
      In this regard, China is blaming Japan, but the latter really needs a huge Chinese market.