Country risks: Swiss banks close accounts for Russians

UBS and Credit Suisse prefer to work only with the most wealthy clients.


Country risks: Swiss banks close accounts for Russians


This autumn, the largest Swiss banks UBS and Credit Suisse began to close their accounts for Russian clients in large quantities, Forbes told three sources in the private banking market. “Banks are forcing customers to close their accounts with assets of less than $ 5 million,” says the banker. “In the event of a refusal, the client is obliged to pay a monthly fee for account maintenance.” It is about one thousand Swiss francs a month. ” According to another banker, last year such a policy of Swiss banks already affected clients from Russia, but then clients with bills of less than $ 3 million experienced difficulties. Some clients found themselves in unpleasant situations due to the fact that banks had notified their decision by mail. “Many Russian customers received paper notices in special rental cells in Switzerland,” explains the banker. “Naturally, nobody checks mail at them every day, and clients did not know about the bank’s decision for three to four months and were forced to pay a commission.”

UBS does not have any penalty rates for small account holders, says Ilya Solarev, head of UBS Wealth Management in Russia. “UBS clients have a benchmark in terms of assets, in which the client would be economically viable to use the full range of bank services,” says Solarev. The minimum guideline in UBS is the amount of $ 5 million. In Credit Suisse, they said that the bank did not “publicly discuss issues related to customers."

Problems with the Russians with foreign banks began last spring, when, as a result of the Ukrainian crisis and the annexation of the Crimea, Russia fell under international sanctions.

A Russian developer who has a business abroad told Forbes that closing small accounts with Russian clients in foreign banks has become commonplace and he considers this to be discrimination based on nationality. In the British bank HSBC he had a card with a small amount after he reduced foreign account transactions with a limit of about $ 10 million. He ended up in a less privileged category of bank customers, but he didn’t manage to change anything with the account the bank notified the closing of the account on its own initiative. At this his misadventures in foreign banks are not over. A year ago, his son designed a mortgage at Barclays Bank. The British bank refused to take in the guarantors of the father, as the loan officer considered such a loan risky due to US sanctions against Russian citizens. The bank allowed the developer to attract a co-borrower only after he showed the passport with a fresh US visa. “Barclays behaved as if the United Kingdom is a colony of the United States,” the developer is outraged.
Customers from Russia are not the first to have problems with Swiss banks. So, in 2013, the Wall Street Journal reported that Credit Suisse closed accounts for customers from countries subject to sanctions, in particular Angola, Turkmenistan and Belarus. According to bankers, thus credit institutions minimize country risks and focus on servicing larger accounts.

In addition to closing accounts, Swiss banks began to monitor compliance by clients with Russian legislation on controlled foreign companies and currency control legislation. It began to affect their business. Several bankers reported that UBS and Credit Suisse are allowing Russian customers to transfer money to their personal accounts in Switzerland only from Russia.

“A transfer to Switzerland from Russia is a guarantee that taxes have been paid on this amount,” explains one of the bankers. This summer, Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Shatalov met with the leadership of UBS and Credit Suisse in Switzerland, says a Forbes spokesman. “Shatalov told bankers about the amnesty of capital and listened to their opinions about the possibilities of applying Russian laws to Russian clients in Switzerland.” Shatalov through the press service of the Ministry of Finance declined to comment. “UBS complies with all laws, rules and regulations of the jurisdictions in which we do business. As a global wealth management bank, we consider it a part of our work to have a good understanding of the laws and, to the extent possible, help our clients to comply with them. UBS always tries to keep its customers abreast of regulatory changes that may affect them, ”says Solarev.
The fact that banks warn Russian clients about the risks and demand to bring money into the account only from Russia, customers have to say thank you, says Elena Ovcharova, head of the administrative and legal protection group for Pepeliaev Group business.

“In fact, transferring money to a foreign account of a currency resident of Russia not from his account in a Russian bank is, as a general rule, an illegal currency transaction.

It is threatened with a fine in the amount of 3 / 4 to the entire amount of the transaction. In order for citizens of Russia to stop being currency residents, they need to live outside of Russia for at least a year, ”Ovcharova comments. At the same time, the exchange of information between the tax authorities of the countries accelerated since last year, when Russia joined the international convention on administrative assistance in tax matters.

UFG Wealth Management partner Dmitry Klenov says that Russian citizens can use foreign accounts without restrictions imposed by Russian currency legislation by opening foreign companies that have bank accounts with foreign banks. Limitations imposed by currency law do not apply to such accounts. “However, this option has a negative point: if an individual is a Russian tax resident, then most likely such a company will be recognized as a controlled foreign company,” says Klenov. - It will be necessary to notify about such a company, prepare reports for it and pay tax in Russia on retained earnings. But this problem is solved if an individual becomes a tax resident in another country. ”
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  1. Vend 16 October 2015 14: 32 New
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    Well, they’re worse. Who has a Swiss bank account? I don’t have, so it doesn’t bother me muchlaughing
    1. Vladimirets 16 October 2015 14: 38 New
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      Quote: Wend
      Well, they’re worse.

      Unfortunately, those who have such accounts greatly influence our lives with you. It would not have surrendered for foreign tugriks. request
      1. Kostyar 16 October 2015 14: 54 New
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        Comrades! Keep money in the Savings Bank !!! (stolen from the people)
        1. Major Yurik 16 October 2015 15: 06 New
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          Grab the bags, the station is leaving !!! Putin warned, return home, I will forgive everything! Well, as they say, master-master! negative
        2. USSR 1971 17 October 2015 15: 18 New
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          Money should not be invested in a Swiss bank, but in the Caspian flotilla, Lipetsk air center, etc. These investments will be justified. Because there is more than the stern of bank notes.
      2. veksha50 16 October 2015 16: 38 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        Unfortunately, those who have such accounts greatly influence our lives with you. No matter how you surrender for foreign tugriks.


        They handed us all over a long time ago ... Look, he complains ... they covered him a "small" account of $ 10 million ... By honest work, calluses and then earned ...
      3. 34 region 17 October 2015 00: 07 New
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        Yes. Having such accounts affect our lives. And bankers affect their lives. And here an interesting question arises. Is Switzerland a neutral country?
    2. Scoun 16 October 2015 14: 38 New
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      Quote: Wend
      Well, they’re worse.

      to whom to them? )))
      A Russian developer with a business abroad, told Forbes, that closing small accounts with Russian clients in foreign banks has become commonplace and he considers this discrimination on a national basis

      "small" up to 5 million chm.oryat expelling))) and those who keep more than 5 million in Swiss banks))) are ready to lie under their banks with skin))) They have pride in a pack of candy wrappers)))
      There are things that you can’t buy for any money. Our tricksters imagine themselves as celestials riding on maybach and holding money in Swiss banks))) but they are cool only among renegades of their own kind)) we are billions))) 99% of the population and there are generally less than 1 % wassat laughing
      1. Vend 16 October 2015 14: 57 New
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        Quote: Scoun
        Quote: Wend
        Well, they’re worse.

        to whom to them? )))

        To the Swiss, to this day, Swiss banks have been the most reliable. Now they are losing their credibility due to US political ambitions
        1. veksha50 16 October 2015 16: 40 New
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          Quote: Wend
          To the Swiss, to this day, Swiss banks have been the most reliable. Now they are losing their credibility due to US political ambitions



          Read carefully for whom they became unreliable ... For Angola, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, and now - Russia ...

          Swiss bankers - like scavengers ...
        2. 34 region 17 October 2015 00: 14 New
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          Everything in the world is relative. The most reliable is for whom? For citizens, for bankers, for bigwigs, for countries?
    3. Zoldat_A 16 October 2015 14: 41 New
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      Quote: Wend
      Who has a Swiss bank account? I don’t have, so it doesn’t bother me much

      Should all of Russia be excited now that it is now impossible to keep money honestly stolen in Swiss banks? It was necessary to put at least a hundred rubles in Switzerland in a bank - with a clear conscience I would cry in a handkerchief that sanctions had touched me ...

      I just want to recommend the FSB - go through the administrations of all levels - how saw a crying official - so on him! It means money in Switzerland. Were
      1. MIKHAN 16 October 2015 15: 11 New
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        Who has accounts in Swiss banks ..? It’s better to immediately admit men ...! It’s necessary to deduce .. We’ll bang him ... There a lot of our money has been hounded! For all our history ... Now the Jews will stir! bully
        1. veksha50 16 October 2015 16: 41 New
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          Quote: MIKHAN
          There наших a lot of money hustled


          Well said...
      2. 34 region 17 October 2015 00: 17 New
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        So what's the problem? All crying about lost money in Switzerland will deprive Russian citizenship. And let them live where their money is. The only question is: Do these countries need these citizens?
    4. Simon 16 October 2015 15: 18 New
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      So it is good for us, the embezzlers all of us break off, who has deposits there. Huge amounts can only be put into Swiss banks.
    5. vyinemeynen 16 October 2015 22: 48 New
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      great news, as in Cyprus they didn’t take everything away right away, then grandmas to Russia!
    6. afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 05: 46 New
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      How I sympathize with these "poor fellow" crying Although Switzerland struggles a little with our corruption ...
  2. win
    win 16 October 2015 14: 33 New
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    Swiss banks are slowly preparing for default or flight overseas.
  3. Gloomy 16 October 2015 14: 37 New
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    And how to live now? Now our workers and peasants will begin massively closing their accounts there ...
    1. Zoldat_A 16 October 2015 15: 30 New
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      Quote: Gloomy
      Now our workers and peasants will begin massively closing their accounts there ...

      The head physician (glavRvach?) Of the district polyclinic is experiencing - how can it be - everything that has been gained through excessive labor ... And his salary is more than that of all the doctors of his polyclinic combined. And they do not worry, they do not care. And rightly so. Only the head of Ravacha, such a stranglehold on a surgical thread needs ...
    2. 34 region 17 October 2015 00: 20 New
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      Do you think it's time to promote the slogan: Land for farmers, plants for oligarchs, banks for bankers?
  4. kit-kat 16 October 2015 14: 43 New
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    Well and good.
  5. pts-m 16 October 2015 14: 44 New
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    Well, how did the nouveau riche want to live by plundering and selling Russia. Their toad will choke when it is expropriated from them and they themselves will be dressed in measuring shirts and with a file to build tunnels through the Alps. not a pity.
  6. Mountain shooter 16 October 2015 14: 45 New
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    The life of a simple financier is hard and unpretentious ... The GDP said, molt from there, they will cut you off and take off your skin.
    Voluntarily - did not want to. Well now - do not complain.
  7. Professor 16 October 2015 14: 45 New
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    The oligarchs like Abramovich were not touched, and they drove the small corruption officials with a broom. This is the logic.
    1. Albert1988 16 October 2015 16: 03 New
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      Quote: Professor
      This is the logic

      I’d just like to understand which one? Raise the "petty merchants" to revolt against the sovereign? So the fact of the matter is that he’s too tough for them - the Abramovich’s will have more chances, although this is also not a fact.

      In response to the fact that Swiss banks kept money for so many years, the origin of which was clearly not clean, and then "suddenly" decided to start to comply with the law - I just want to quote the great Stanislavsky ...

      At that. that suddenly they had a lot of money and they decided that it’s not comme il faut with the "tramp" to find it, somehow I also can’t believe it ...
      1. Professor 16 October 2015 17: 19 New
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        Quote: Albert1988
        I’d just like to understand which one?

        A corrupt shushera as a customer is not the best indicator of respectability.
        1. Albert1988 16 October 2015 18: 09 New
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          Quote: Professor
          A corrupt shushera as a customer is not the best indicator of respectability.

          Then the question is, what lyada did they tolerate this corrupt shusher for 25 years? And now all of a sudden, for no reason, they were preoccupied with respectability ...

          And then - the “Abramovichs” whom they left - this is an even more corrupt shusher, moreover, this is a shusher who absolutely does not leave any doubts about his corruption ... Or it all again depends on the amount of money in the account - above a certain limit and corruption customer no longer affects respectability?

          Although in fact this is a good trend - first the British, now the Swiss have taken to confiscate accounts with Russian investors with a reputation of dubious in their opinion ...
          Let them continue in the same spirit longer - look, some who will be “wary” of taking money out of the country)))))
          1. Professor 16 October 2015 18: 12 New
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            Quote: Albert1988
            Then the question is, what lyada did they tolerate this corrupt shusher for 25 years? And now all of a sudden, for no reason, they were preoccupied with respectability ...

            And you do not know? They sanctioned them. You know who.

            Quote: Albert1988
            Let them continue in the same spirit longer - look, some who will be “wary” of taking money out of the country)))))

            Right now. They will find other places where you can hide denjat.
            1. Albert1988 16 October 2015 18: 22 New
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              Quote: Professor
              And you do not know? They sanctioned them. You know who.

              If only so. But it’s still not clear why the oligarchs were not squeezed - it’s easier to catch large fish, although such money can outweigh any threats.
              Quote: Professor
              Right now. They will find other places where you can hide denjat.

              And here the question is - in Asia there is its own specifics ... very different, and in more "familiar" offshore Americans already already wool ... So it can come out anyway))))
              1. Professor 16 October 2015 18: 26 New
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                Quote: Albert1988
                If only so. But it’s still not clear why the oligarchs were not squeezed - it’s easier to catch large fish, although such money can outweigh any threats.

                Large fish are easier to milk.

                Quote: Albert1988
                in the more "familiar" offshore, Americans are already wool ...

                This you tell those who insist on a multipolar world. There is only one owner on this planet, unfortunately.
                1. Albert1988 16 October 2015 20: 57 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  This you tell those who insist on a multipolar world. There is only one owner on this planet, unfortunately.

                  I do not argue that the States are everywhere, if not masters, then at least their hands are long and there are many places where they can run. But the better - the easier it will be for staff to get the assets of our "boyars" stored in all kinds of "warm places", the less will be the notorious outflow of capital abroad.

                  As for the multipolar world, this is a long process, it may take tens of years, but what they started to talk about in principle, and not only “grandmothers on the porch”, is already talking about something (sorry for the pun) )))
  8. Das Boot 16 October 2015 14: 46 New
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    It’s a bad thing if VO Forbes articles are reposted. With great sympathy I read about the problems of a developer there and his son, who were thrown out of VIPs into a loser in some Aglitz bank there. Burst into tears. Apparently, they convinced the loan manager for four hours that PTN PNH showed pictures in their exclusive vertu: "Here I am with Nemtsov ... here on the Maidan ... here in the police station with bulk ... Like this" Who's the f * ck that asshole? "..."
    1. Amurets 16 October 2015 14: 52 New
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      Well, of course. Such grief, the Swiss force to pay taxes at home, and do not provide laundry services.
      1. Das Boot 16 October 2015 14: 58 New
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        Quote: Amurets
        Well, of course. Such grief, the Swiss force to pay taxes at home, and do not provide laundry services.

        Duc, well, ours doesn’t miss either - after the reform of the tax reporting of individuals on foreign deposits of Pinocchio, your five soldiers are better in the workbench of Karlo village.
  9. Gunther 16 October 2015 14: 52 New
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    For some reason, I wanted to shake hands with Swiss money lenders, though then I would have to wash them for a long time)))
    I do not mind if the accounts earned by hard work (two pieces) are blocked at all.
    From their Swiss accomplices their state brothers should take an example.
    It is better for Russian citizens to keep money with our small-town money-lenders - they will be more intact (possibly).
    PS
    But it’s better to keep money at home.
    1. EvgNik 16 October 2015 17: 32 New
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      Quote: Gunter
      But it’s better to keep money at home.

      The best bank in the world - a three-liter glass jar. At 3 meters depth, under a poplar (or an apple tree that grows nearby). I went to bury: chur, do not peep!
  10. Shurale 16 October 2015 14: 54 New
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    The article should have been called:
    "Say a word about a poor developer ..."
  11. boris-1230 16 October 2015 14: 55 New
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    They stole from the country, from the common people and hide abroad. Let them dump themselves there, changing citizenship. These are not the best representatives of the Russian nation.
    1. veksha50 16 October 2015 16: 45 New
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      Quote: boris-1230
      They stole from the country, from the common people and hide abroad. Let them dump themselves there,



      Let, let ... But before this money - to return ...
  12. Bthuk 16 October 2015 14: 58 New
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    Keep money in the savings bank!
    1. Mikhail Krapivin 16 October 2015 17: 46 New
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      In the bank. Three liter. Under the bed. In yuan. And sleep well :)
    2. 34 region 17 October 2015 00: 27 New
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      Where is this box office?
  13. bmv04636 16 October 2015 14: 59 New
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    and what's next. And here it came to me in the mail from friends of the Chinese who are looking for workers; the average level of salaries is offered from 4 thousand to 6 thousand yuan (workers are welders, machine tools). The renminbi today is 9,81 rubles per yuan.
  14. Riv
    Riv 16 October 2015 15: 05 New
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    Well what can I say? When our politicians say that Europe is full of pi ... owls, you seem to believe them. Indeed, in this very Europe their children live, study and apply for a mortgage. How not to believe here? :)
    1. BLOND 16 October 2015 15: 52 New
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      In 2014 alone, 370 criminal cases were opened in Sweden on the facts of rape of boys and men and attempts to commit this crime. This is the highest rate in the EU. Given the high latency of crime in this area, because many are simply embarrassed to file complaints with the police, the real number of victims is much higher.
      1. veksha50 16 October 2015 16: 47 New
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        Quote: BLOND
        Only in 2014 in Sweden 370 criminal cases were opened on the facts of rape of boys and men and attempts to commit this crime.



        Hmm ... kinda talk about Switzerland coming ...
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  15. Alexeika1984 16 October 2015 15: 11 New
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    well and why the heck they don't need these Swiss banks
  16. Das Boot 16 October 2015 15: 23 New
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    Quote: Alexeika1984
    well and why the heck they don't need these Swiss banks
  17. vladimirvn 16 October 2015 15: 27 New
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    Well, how can I not say thank you, comrades Swiss. You are on the right track.
  18. Alex77 16 October 2015 15: 49 New
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    Still, what good fellows are these Swiss !!!!
  19. Signaller 16 October 2015 16: 12 New
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    Personally, for me, Let them close their accounts, so that it would be dishonest to deceive the Homeland. There is not even regret for them. Come on guys. Go ahead and with the song.
  20. Thirsty for wind 16 October 2015 16: 14 New
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    Acceleration by the ruble hit a penny.
    I wonder if they themselves come up with such feints, or does someone "wisely" advise them?
    I recalled the film "The Adventure of Italians in Russia"
    -I myself, I myself.
  21. veksha50 16 October 2015 16: 25 New
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    "The problems of Russians with foreign banks began last spring"...

    I will deviate from the "praise" of the Swiss, although I will also speak on the merits ...

    I can’t understand one thing: Switzerland has long been considered a neutral state ... Cynically speaking, it lives on at someone else’s expense, feeding both its budget and population at the expense of money made from other people's money, that is, practically from the air ...

    It got to the point that in the spring their Knesset decided whether or not to introduce communism in the country ... Yes, yes, there was so much extra money that they were ready to fully satisfy all the needs of their citizens at the state expense ... However, they didn’t accept, having decided that the Swiss will be captivated, migrant workers will have to work and Switzerland will turn into another Muslim Mecca ...

    So, it’s just interesting why certain financial sanctions are being introduced against Russian capital ???
    Why didn’t they introduce Hitler Germany ???
    Why didn’t they enter - we won’t poke a finger, and so everyone understands - the state that unleashes wars around the world ???

    Where is neutrality here ???

    And yet ... Russia is a member of the WTO ... Why are economic and other sanctions against it introduced contrary to the WTO Charter ??? And why does the Russian government and leadership somehow circumvent this issue ???

    In short, I can’t say that the Swiss are well done ... They are two-horned, with hoofs and gray stink ...
  22. _KM_ 16 October 2015 16: 28 New
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    Citizens, keep money in the bank! Three liter. fellow
  23. boris-1230 16 October 2015 16: 30 New
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    It may be better to live in Europe, but someone should establish their life in their homeland, and not run in search of a better life
    1. orphan 63 16 October 2015 20: 54 New
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      It may be better to live in Europe, but someone should establish their life in their homeland, and not run in search of a better life
      - Of course, it is better for everyone to live in their homeland, but alas ....

      In 2015, a record number of Russians applied for a permanent residence permit in the United States. More than 4 thousand citizens of Russia apply for 265 thousand green cards. More than 75 thousand Russians received a residence permit in Europe. According to statistics from the State Department, Bloomberg notes, last year 245 Russians received work and student visas, giving them the right to temporary stay in the United States, which is twice as much as ten years ago. In addition, last year, 638 Russian citizens were granted permanent residence permits in the United States for family and other reasons, including 3622 people who received visas in exchange for investments ranging in size from $ 56 thousand.
      According to Bloomberg, last year about 75,3 thousand Russians were granted residence permits in the EU and Switzerland, which is 25% more than in 2010. Most often, Russian citizens chose to live in the UK, Germany and Spain, the agency said. In addition, by 30%, according to Bloomberg, the number of applications for obtaining Israeli citizenship has increased over the past five years.
      РБК:http://www.rbc.ru/politics/16/10/2015/5620d2ef9a79477e79b083c5

      The Federal Migration Service (FMS) of Russia has published the latest data (as of October 4, 2015) on the number of foreign citizens staying in the country. According to the FMS, annually about 15-16 million foreigners arrive officially on the territory of the Russian Federation, and 4-5 million illegally. In this case, only adult migrants are taken into account, there are no statistics on minors!
      For example: today in Russia законно located 4.224.229 adults citizens of the Central Asian republics, and the number of migrants from Moldova and Ukraine per year almost doubled.
      FMS http://www.fms.gov.ru/about/statistics/data/details/54891/
  24. Kyrgyz 16 October 2015 17: 18 New
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    I didn’t understand whether this is good or bad, but in general they have already refuted everything
  25. beer-youk 16 October 2015 17: 27 New
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    If Switzerland resets all accounts of Russian individuals, the mood of the vast majority of the population robbed by these individuals will rise sharply in Russia!
  26. Gunther 16 October 2015 17: 48 New
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    A bit off topic, but happy - the State Duma voted to arrest the runaway hunter Ilya Ponomarev.
  27. Vladimir Pozlnyakov 16 October 2015 18: 16 New
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    Awarded the Minister of Finance of Switzerland with the Order of Friendship of Peoples 3 degrees! After the ban 100 thousand - 2 degrees, a million - 1 degree! To become a full gentleman! It is advisable to make the order with the St. George ribbon and bow of the colors of the flag of the Russian Federation!
  28. Mikhail Krapivin 16 October 2015 18: 59 New
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    Switzerland is increasingly becoming one of Doctor Evil's henchmen. First, with a long resistance, the issuance of these investors to staff members, and then the process of bending Switzerland went faster and faster ... The claw is bogged down, there’s an abyss to the whole bird.
  29. Mama_Cholli 16 October 2015 19: 23 New
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    It is believed that A. Hitler himself used reputable banks in Switzerland.
    Droplets of Slavic, German, Jewish, etc. blood taken and laid in orderly rows in safes.
  30. fa2998 16 October 2015 20: 39 New
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    Honest labor, calluses and sweat earned ...

    Yes, even if they nationalize it! IT IS VIRTUAL MONEY, which, according to the statistics, the Russians “earned.” If we are told that the average salary is 30-40-50 thousand, but in reality many people get 5-10 thousand, while others are “modest” deposits in Switzerland 3-5-10 million. $ Dare the gnomes, send all the money to the "Peace Fund" and the "Red Cross". NOT SO MUCH !!! laughing hi
  31. Steppe 16 October 2015 20: 42 New
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    angry Yes, we do not need their filthy banks! And their filthy currency is also not needed! Down with the dollar, down with the euro! Long live our ruble tied to gold and foreign exchange reserves (and not to oil)!
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    Finally, Switzerland has played on our side. It turns out that Vladimirovich is expanding his powers.
  33. rotmistr60 17 October 2015 04: 16 New
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    And at this time:
    "Russia in August increased investments in securities of the United States government to $ 89,9 billion, according to the US Treasury."
    "Sight," today.
    Is it really profitable. Why not direct this money towards the development of your industry and the same import substitution?