Torfedoes' Val Fajr Production Line launched in Iran

On Wednesday in Iran, in a festive atmosphere, a line for the production of modern torpedoes "Val-Fajr" was opened, according to blog Yury Lyamina with reference to russian.irib.ir.

Speaking at the opening ceremony, Iranian Defense Minister Hussein Dehkan said that the main priority of the command is “to provide and equip the Navy with the latest and most powerful weapons, so that they can become the long arms of the country that can protect the maritime borders and break any attempts at aggression ".

New Minister torpedoes called "smart weapons"With high speed and powerful warhead that can hit any enemy marine objects in a matter of seconds."

According to him, “the world must hear the signal from Iran that it will bring down any threat with all its might, and not a single law and no resolution can restrict it”.

In turn, the commander of the Navy, Habibolla Sayyari, thanked the Minister for equipping fleet the latest weapons. According to him, Val-Fajr, in comparison with other samples, has "a large radius of action, greater accuracy and explosive power."

From himself, Yury Lyamin added the following: “Val-Fajr torpedo” is another fruit of the active military-technical cooperation of Iran and the DPRK, continuing with 1980x. As you can see from the YT-534 torpedo index, the UW1 is a new modification of the North Korean torpedo PT-97W (YT-534W1), whose production has been localized in Iran. ”

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[Vitaly Anisimov]

Hi AUG USA ... Iran remembers how their ships were shot ...!

[kil 31]

“The Val Fajr torpedo is another fruit of the active military-technical cooperation between Iran and the DPRK, which has been going on since the 1980s. As you can see from the index of the YT-534 UW1 torpedo, this is a new modification of the North Korean PT-97W (YT-534W1) torpedo, the production of which was localized in Iran. "

Now we must also teach Koreans to modernize these torpedoes. Whatever the Amers did not feel comfortable there.

[Kostyar]

And so, slowly but surely, the time of American lawlessness is a thing of the past!

[Denis_469]

The Koreans themselves perfectly modernize them and create new ones. The aforementioned "PT-97W" was adopted by the DPRK and is currently no longer produced. Instead, more modern torpedoes are produced.

[Talgat]

Here is an example of the benefits of North Korea, and then many critics

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: MIKHAN

Hi AUG USA ...

Weapons of course for suicide bombers ... But here is the main decision. If you go to the shock position and launch a torpedo, you yourself will surely die, but there is a high probability of a critical hit of the target.

I think there will be people in the IRGC who are ready to launch such a suicidal attack. But there are those who want to turn their neck under such a blow ... Orders, of course, are not discussed, but the politician who gave such an order will be a political corpse in the USA.

PS Iran is far from a secular state. People for faith are ready to die. But at the same time there is not a drop of Wahhabism. Although where does he come from - Wahhabism is practically the national religion of the Saudis, the worst enemies of the Iranians

[bulvas]

Quote: MIKHAN

Hi AUG USA ... Iran remembers how their ships were shot ...!

Now there are more interesting goals - Saudi tankers.
Moreover, they are now climbing into Europe with their oil, they are crowding out ours and they want to stake out the market before Iran leaves
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Quote: Corsair0304

I understand when a protective camouflage green color is applied to ground equipment. And why torpedoes?

Green is the color of Islam

[Manul]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

Weapons of course for suicide bombers ... But here is the main decision. If you go to the shock position and launch a torpedo, then of course they themselves will die

If a torpedo boat, they might not be able to approach him. But why does the submarine have no chance to survive?

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: Manul

If a torpedo boat, they might not be able to approach him. But why does the submarine have no chance to survive?

The submarine has much less room for maneuver and speed.
I do not think that the Iranian submarine is invisible, which cannot be detected. So it will be destroyed with a high degree of probability.

It is worth recalling what losses the Hitler submarine fleet suffered after the appearance of new technology among the Angles and Americans. Here the situation of technology will repeat the situation of 43-45 years.

[Manul]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

It is worth recalling what losses the Hitler submarine fleet suffered after the appearance of new technology among the Angles and Americans. Here the situation of technology will repeat the situation of 43-45 years.

Hitler's submarine fleet was destroyed thanks to the English cryptographers and the blind faith of the Germans in the protection of Enigma. The boats stupidly calculated according to the coordinates that they themselves broadcast, and planes and hunters rushed there. They can now better find a boat at a depth, but still I would not write them off right away. Well, submariners - is there a chance for a modern submarine to go unnoticed at a depth from modern search equipment, if its approximate location is known?

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: Manul

Hitler's submarine fleet was destroyed thanks to the English cryptographers and the blind faith of the Germans in the protection of Enigma.

I beg to differ
It was destroyed due to the Germans' mistakes in radar (the "Biscay cross" actually signaled to the English hunters - "I am here!", For example, until the Germans realized this and removed them). Also, the superiority of the Allies in this matter - after the 44th, a rare submarine passed the Bay of Biscay, they were direction finding by aviation, and in any weather, when the boat was going confidently (low clouds). It was the "Catalins" that destroyed most of the boats going into the ocean from French ports (or returning from a campaign).

Plus extreme underwater vulnerability of the boat for destroyers and anti-submarine ships. But there were nuances, namely: low speed in underwater position, long recharge (that of batteries, that of torpedoes), short battery life. The modern submarine, of course, is devoid of these shortcomings. But progress in the development of sonars and depth charges / anti-submarine torpedoes has not stood still over these decades

Quote: Manul

The boats stupidly calculated according to the coordinates that they themselves broadcast, and planes and hunters rushed there.

The triangulation method is absolutely indifferent to decryption / not decryption. Actually, this is exactly how all positions of submarines in the Atlantic were calculated. And it became fatal at the end of the war, when the Allies got planes with a sufficient range in the ocean. A very large percentage of the destroyed submarines in aviation

Quote: Manul

They can now better find a boat at a depth, but still I would not write them off right away. Well, submariners - is there a chance for a modern submarine to go unnoticed at a depth from modern search equipment, if its approximate location is known?

Yes, it would be interesting to hear the opinion of modern specialists. I am a layman in modern submarine warfare, I was always more interested in the WWII in this matter.
But at the same time, I don’t think that Iranian (or North Korean) diesel-electric submarines went very far from the German project XXI, and that they didn’t stand next to modern models of this class developed either in our country or in the west

[Denis_469]

You should not think so. Modern low-frequency aircraft are not suitable for the detection of small submarines. They have a wavelength greater than the maximum projection size of small submarines. Therefore, the wave goes around them and goes on. Which did not stop an Iranian baby several years ago from painting Burke’s board. She just surfaced under the side and spray painted that side. Here it is such a modern PLO.

[Manul]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

The triangulation method is absolutely indifferent to decryption / not decryption.

You try to still detect the transfer to the sea from three directions - there will not be enough fleet resources to have so many bearing points. And it’s one thing to get the enemy’s radiogram and its location (what if it’s a small transport?), And the other is to get the desired target, which were the German submarines.
And they regularly reported their coordinates to the command. Just intercepting a radiogram with the location of the submarine served on a silver platter was not difficult.
This is from the recollections of one of the few surviving German submariners. He suspected something was wrong when the loss of submarines became catastrophic, and each time after transferring their coordinates, enemy planes and submarine hunters immediately went out on it. He stopped transmitting coordinates, so he could survive I don’t remember what the book is called and what the name of this captain is, but very interesting.
I, too, are very interested in the submarine fleet.
Although you are right about the passage of the Bay of Biscay. It was very full of airplanes, but there weren’t enough snorkels for everyone.

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: Manul

You try to still detect the transfer to the sea from three directions - no one will be substituted like that.

As far as I remember, a lighthouse on the southern tip of Greenland, a lighthouse in Ireland, and one of the constantly on duty ships in the Atlantic - this is the desired triangle.

Quote: Manul

This is from the recollections of one of the few surviving German submariners. He suspected something was wrong when the loss of submarines became catastrophic, and each time after transferring their coordinates, enemy planes and submarine hunters immediately went out on it. He stopped transmitting coordinates, so he could survive I don’t remember what the book is called and what the name of this captain is, but very interesting.

"Steel coffins" by Herbert Werner recommend One of the few survivors who went camping in the second half of the war.
But we hit offtopic

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Quote: Denis_469

You should not think so. Modern low-frequency aircraft are not suitable for the detection of small submarines. They have a wavelength greater than the maximum projection size of small submarines. Therefore, the wave goes around them and goes on. Which did not stop an Iranian baby several years ago from painting Burke’s board. She just surfaced under the side and spray painted that side. Here it is such a modern PLO.

I agree that in modern submarine warfare, he was only interested in submarine strategists, nuclear submarines
Thank you for the educational program. For babies, the topic, it turns out, is also very, very interesting!

Quote: Manul

I, too, are very interested in the submarine fleet.

[Manul]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

But we hit offtopic

I agree. But in my opinion it’s not fatal (all the same about the submarine fleet, and not about Syria), we are already finishing it.
If on the topic - and we have an analogue (I already asked similar questions, they said - our underwater is kept secret, and who will tell FIG), or can act like the Chinese (time is running out) -buy the party and copy? In my understanding, now everything should be no worse than that of Iran, if only they can’t complete the overly complicated project.

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

I recommend Herbert Werner's "Steel Coffins" One of the few survivors who went on campaigns in the second half of the war.

This is the same book, thank you!

As far as I remember, a lighthouse on the southern tip of Greenland, a lighthouse in Ireland, and one of the constantly on duty ships in the Atlantic - this is the desired triangle.

I did not know, thanks. Very interesting information.

But as a result, after the sea of ​​our offtopic, could you recognize the admissibility of my innocence? Iranian small submarine has a chance to survive after a torpedo salvo by the US Navy?

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: Manul

But as a result, after the sea of ​​our offtopic, could you recognize the admissibility of my innocence? Iranian small submarine has a chance to survive after a torpedo salvo by the US Navy?

Odds - they are forever!
Question - what are they in quantitative terms?

To be honest, I don’t know. For I do not own information either on the technical characteristics of Iranian submarines, or on the technical characteristics of amerovskaya hunters included in the AUG

In my post I expressed my thoughts from the information I have

God grant that all these considerations remain only theories from the last great war. So that the future does not allow to check all these calculations in practice

PS I also recommend the book "Steel Coffins of the Reich" by M.Yu. Kurushin.
A good description of the submarine war in the Atlantic, Antarctic and Indian Ocean during World War II. A very solid book, with numerous documentary evidence

[Manul]

Quote: ROSS_Ulair

Odds - they are forever!

But with your first small post, you wanted to refute what you understand intuitively, as I did. As a result, we entered the clinch and an interesting duel turned out And the point here is not even in knowledge, but in curiosity and the pursuit of a common understanding.
I am glad that we have a very constructive discussion thread. I will definitely read the book.

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: Manul

And the point here is not even in knowledge, but in curiosity and the pursuit of a common understanding.

As far as I understand, our knowledge with you is limited to a certain period and very far behind the knowledge of modern specialists in this field
And curiosity and the desire for a polite dialogue with the opponent (the opponent - in the good sense of the word! ) and distinguishes all educated people

Quote: Manul

I am glad that we have a very constructive discussion thread. I will definitely read the book.

[Manul]

I had an idea to create an article. Just about the submarine fleet. Having realized the scale of the devastation - the volume of what I want to tell - I was gripped by longing. And then I meet such a curious and living person .. And you do not want to unite with me in creating a modern book on the submarine fleet? And although it will not be too professional, we will infect those around us with our interest. And after us it will begin.
PS Actually, I blurted out about the book about the whole topic - it became scary to myself. I want to write an article to begin with on the development of a torpedo. No one has systematized this topic in my memory. So I am accumulating information. Are you with me?
No offense, if there was no time, or not very interesting

[Ross_ulair]

You can try.

It’s never too late to refuse
In time, to be honest, nothing is clear yet. There are many problems with work in our difficult time. But the road will be overpowered

[Denis_469]

Quote: Manul

But as a result, after the sea of ​​our offtopic, could you recognize the admissibility of my innocence? Iranian small submarine has a chance to survive after a torpedo salvo by the US Navy?

It may well. After laying on the ground, what the hell anti-submarine torpedo it will stand out against the background of reflection from the ground. But there are no deep bombs on modern American ships.

[Manul]

Quote: Denis_469

It may well. After laying on the ground, what the hell anti-submarine torpedo it will stand out against the background of reflection from the ground. But there are no deep bombs on modern American ships.

So explain! There are all sorts of sire. But they only act with the goal perpendicular to the bottom. If the ship scans everything around and nothing moves around, then what the hell will it find, even if it’s a strategist whose shells have grown from inaction.
All released antennas are limited by the search path. That is, what I wanted to prove is ALL SUBS, HIDDEN PREDATORS. They cannot be found just as the Swedes find.

[Denis_469]

Quote: Manul

So explain!

The dimensions of many submarine rocks are commensurate with the dimensions of small submarines. Plus, the bottom itself also reflects the premise of sonar paths of homing systems. Therefore, there should be a flare on which the boat lying on the ground is not visible.

As for the Swedes, it’s their phobia to fight with our boats. Since the 1st world is coming. So you need to be more comfortable with sick Swedes.

[Manul]

Quote: Denis_469

But there are no deep bombs on modern American ships.

Wow .. What good news. That is, in depth bombs we are ahead of the rest?

http://topwar.ru/46708-otechestvennye-protivolodochnye-bombomety-chast-ii.html

[Sterlya]

here the main thing is the onslaught, speed, quantity, and victory will be. then go to the bottom

[Ross_ulair]

Quote: Sterlya

then go to the bottom

On a torpedo boat

[etrofimov]

TTX means of detecting the enemy in comparison with the TTX of the weapon, its range of use and the noise of the carrier ....
Something like this

[Corsair0304]

Good news. Everything that is in spite of am.eram is always a good deed, especially if it concerns weapons.

PS I understand when a protective camouflage green color is applied to ground equipment. And why torpedoes?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Corsair0304

camouflage green color. And why torpedoes

And if it was red, you would ask why is it a fire color? Our torpedoes, by the way, are also green.

[jjj]

In an embrace with a red torpedo in the first compartment - you can be brutalized. Another thing is calm green

[Corsair0304]

About red I would not ask))

Looks like someone decided that in the Red Army there are only two colors: green and dark green, that’s what they’re painted with.
Just according to the logic of the color, the torpedo should be blue / dark blue))

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Corsair0304

torpedo should be blue / dark blue

Feel free to ask why?

[Ze Kot]

Quote: Vladimirets

Quote: Corsair0304

torpedo should be blue / dark blue

Feel free to ask why?

Most likely, in the water was not visible

[sever.56]

Quote: Corsair0304

Looks like someone decided that in the Red Army there are only two colors: green and dark green, that’s what they’re painted with.
Just according to the logic of the color, the torpedo should be blue / dark blue))

Sorry, but you are talking nonsense ... At a depth of color, they are practically indistinguishable. You do not think that the torpedo is detected by color. Torpedoes are painted with a special paint, based on epoxy resins, with a preliminary three-layer primer, in order to avoid exposure of the silumin body.
The so-called fluorescent color is painted in red. "practice", practical torpedoes used for firing practice. After passing along the course and simulating the detonation of a target, it pops up with a candle, and its color helps to quickly detect and catch it with a torpedo.

[Denis_469]

Quote: sever.56

You do not think that the torpedo is detected by color.

And the color is also detected. In the reports of American World War 2 plots, there are sometimes detections of Japanese electric torpedoes painted in yellow.

[sever.56]

Quote: Denis_469

And the color is also detected. In the reports of American World War 2 plots, there are sometimes detections of Japanese electric torpedoes painted in yellow.

Do not confuse WWII technology with today's. Then the torpedoes went almost at a depth of 1,5 - 2 meters, even German ones, with homing equipment, which no other arc in the world had. They were easy to spot. It wasn't until the end of the war that we and the states started making our own acoustic torpedoes. And the Japanese had direct combat torpedoes - where they aimed, they will get there. We called these "blanks" and used their submariners to undermine the ice.

[Denis_469]

At the end of the war, only the states and Germany had homing ones. Japan also had its homing ones. Fucking true, but there were. We had no homing in the 2nd world.

[Archon]

if for Americans, then an exceptionally rainbow torpedo is necessary!

[tol100v]

Quote: Vladimirets

And if it was red, you would ask why is it a fire color?

Firefighters are better not to touch! And torpedoes need to be painted in the color of the rainbow - to whom they are intended!

[Denis_469]

So that it is not visible when it goes to the target. And then the Japanese painted their electric torpedoes in yellow and that's it. There is no trace, but is visible immediately.

[Slobber]

Is the additional screaming feature "Allahbaba", "Lousy Sunnis" and "Islamic Revolution Worldwide" enabled? Will the options with a projector for video with calls from Qom be as an export option?
And by the way, I’m a man who has nothing to do with the army (I’m not a rocket launcher, yes), but from the DPRK, where are the torpedoes from, from what years? It will be effective, what do you think (do not tease, seriously)?

and not one law and not one resolution is not able to limit it

Again, the Kumas are being made, we know, we know, sayings - they’ll climb into the hole from the slogans from the DPRK.

[Denis_469]

Quote: razgildyay

but the DPRK has torpedoes from where, from what years? It will be effective, what do you think (do not tease, seriously)?

Seriously, they develop and make them themselves. And not only torpedoes, but anti-ship missiles for submarines launched from torpedo tubes in the DPRK appeared either in 1995, or in 1998. I don’t remember now. And as for efficiency - here the war will show.

[roskot]

“The world must hear the signal from Iran that it will fall upon any threat with all its might, and not one law or one resolution is not able to limit it”

Straight and tough. Let everyone know. Do not panic.

[Manul]

Quote: roskot

“The world must hear the signal from Iran that it will fall upon any threat with all its might, and not one law or one resolution is not able to limit it”

Straight and tough. Let everyone know. Do not panic.

The Chinese will present rockets, the Iranians will present torpedoes ... The trend, however, hints to some.

[sever.56]

Judging by the photo - they have rubber fairings, which is not a gut ... The radio transparency of these is much worse than the "ceramics". We began to refuse such people back in the 80s. And to obtain high-quality "ceramics" for torpedoes, a very complex and expensive technological process is required. Apparently, the Iranians do not yet possess such technologies. But, - all the same well done. A salvo in a package can cover something in an aircraft carrier group.

[Denis_469]

Iranians have the technology that DPRK sells to them. Judging by the torpedo, this is not the newest type of Korean torpedoes.

[katalonec2014]

Okay, so she went ... finding her rusty trough. A small, but still an argument for the aggressor.

[Leeder]

Weapons marked in Arabic script do not inspire respect for me. :)

[Denis_469]

And this is Iran promoting the presence of this torpedo. It was adopted by the Navy of Iran in 2011. It’s just now advertised. Looks like they invented something new.

[fa2998]

Quote: MIKHAN

Hi AUG USA ...

Well, I think modern warships will find a way to protect themselves from torpedoes. Traps, imitators, AU, bomb throwers and sharp maneuvering allow you to avoid being hit. But sedentary oil tankers are an ideal target. So torpedoes will come in handy when Iran is "butting" with the Saudi monarchies.

[Denis_469]

Torpedo traps were not effective during World War II. There are no RBUs ​​on NATO ships, as there are no anti-torpedoes. The latter are only available on NATO submarines of the latter. Abrupt maneuvering for a long time does not allow evading torpedoes due to their homing.

[Archon]

Quote: bulvas

Green is the color of Islam

And they love nature)

[mvg]

Moskitny KSIR The Russian fleet in a week will calm the movement of Arab oil in the world. But for how long? There is no autonomy, but, having fired its 1-2 torpedoes, the boat will have nowhere to return. There will be no bases. You won’t moor at the fishing pier, you won’t recharge on your hands. And, in all countries, oil is not for one or two weeks ... They will suffer .. Not news - fake.

[Denis_469]

And where will the bases go?

[Kyrgyz]

Iran has nothing that could approach the AUG at the launch distance and they themselves are well aware of this

[shalomnet]

And what kind of "submariners" are they? Are they Gurias waiting for their boys? Or is Iran hiding its holes under water?

[colonel manuch]

Read Clay Blair's "Hitler's Submarine War", "War at Sea" by Friedrich Ruge - you will learn a lot. As for the new Iranian torpedoes, this was to be expected, North Korea and Iran are perceived by the West as an evil cornered, so they are preparing to defend themselves to the last , and if they are indoctrinated, believe me, they will be able to do it.