Peaceful Chinese dragon

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Experts cite the statement made by the representative of China at a meeting of the UN Security Council. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that the world should respect the independence of Syria and its territorial integrity. These words gave some analysts a reason to talk about a “small” world war, to which China’s intervention in the Syrian conflict would lead. Other experts criticized the Russian-Chinese strategic alliance, questioning the "inviolability" of Beijing's loyalty. So what to expect from the Celestial?

As reported by 13 in October, the Chinese Agency Xinhua, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi met with Syria’s political and media affairs adviser, Buseina Shaaban.

According to Comrade Wang Yi, Beijing advocates respect for the basic principles of international relations and opposes constant interference in the internal affairs of other countries. The decision on the fate of Syria should be taken by the Syrian people, said the Chinese diplomat.

On the same day, October 13, the English site of the Azerbaijani agency News Trend quoted Wang Yi’s statement at the meeting of the UN Security Council concerning Syria.

According to the Chinese diplomat, the world should respect the sovereignty of Syria, its independence and territorial integrity. Speaking at a meeting of the UN Security Council, Wang Yi said: "China has no personal interest in the Middle East, and therefore is ready to play a constructive role" ("... China is ready to play a constructive role").

According to him, the world must take control of the humanitarian crisis in Syria and "promote the peace process."

Thus, from the statements of the diplomatic circles of China it is impossible to draw any conclusions about the desire of the PRC to “get involved” in the Syrian conflict and to arrange a new “world war”.

However, the same Trend cites the opinion of Mehmet Fatih Oztars, Vice-President of the Turkish Strategic Outlook Analytical Center of the Turkish Strategic Outlook Center.

He told Trend that China’s intervention in the Syrian conflict could lead to a small world war.

According to the analyst, the interests of many countries are intertwined in Syria. Someone supports President Bashar Assad, and someone supports terrorist organizations. Different "interests" of all the "parties involved" will completely change the regional boundaries, the expert believes. He also allows the creation of "new small states" that will gain control "over energy resources."

But, let me add, is China really going to support someone in the conflict in Syria? Assad? Not. Maybe terrorists? Or “moderate oppositionists,” as the US does? Not. Recall the words of a diplomat: "China has no personal interest in the Middle East ..."

Journalist "Independent newspaper" Vladimir Skosyrev writes: “The fiercer the war in Syria, the more China follows the parable of the monkey watching the tigers fight from the mountain. Beijing, the strategic partner of the Russian Federation, is not going to support it in this conflict. ”

The journalist also considered the speech of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China Wang Yi at a meeting of the UN Security Council. After quoting the fragment, the reporter asked himself a question: “But what exactly is the head of Chinese diplomacy thinking about the Russian military intervention in Syria, which has become almost the main topic of comments in the world media?” And he answered: “It’s not clear from a speech.” But Western leaders, beginning with Obama, blame Moscow for expanding its intervention in the Syrian conflict. And what is China? The dragon is silent.

“However, the Xinhua news agency, the official mouthpiece of Beijing, regularly sets out statements by representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry about the raids of our pilots and targets hit. Outlines, but refrains from commenting. This position recalls the famous Chinese parable about the wise monkey, which is watching the tigers fight from the mountain. ”


Meanwhile, other foreign analysts questioned the strength of the Russian-Chinese strategic partnership.

The site Eurasia Review An article was published by Ph.D. Subhash Kapila, an Indian analyst who graduated from the British Royal Military Academy in Camberley and served for a long time in the Indian army and later worked in the office of the Cabinet of Ministers and in diplomatic posts in Bhutan, Japan, South Korea and the United States.

In his opinion, Beijing’s “unpredictability” hinders the Russian-Chinese strategic alliance. The expert is convinced that the desire of the Celestial Empire is obvious: to become “the next global superpower”. Such a goal goes against Russian and American strategic interests.

Beijing is not loyal to either Moscow or the United States. Historical examples are known to everyone: even over the past few decades, the PRC has moved from a strategic proximity to the United States to an equal proximity to Russia. China "was never completely loyal" even to its former "ideological mentor and strategic patron" - the Soviet Union.

Russian-Chinese partnership - this is just so-called. a multi-year strategic agreement that emerged at the end of the 1990 era, which replaced the Cold War times.

The analyst does not consider such a partnership "strategic." This is only a reaction to the "rampant manifestations" of the strategic dominance of the United States in the past two decades.

The expert shows a lot of contradictions in the international politics of Russia and China.

Russia and China have different views on Japan. China regards Japan as an “irreconcilable enemy”: Beijing is attributed to historical experience and fears associated with a reappraisal of military priorities and defense philosophy by Japan.

Russia, despite the well-known territorial dispute with Japan over the islands, on the contrary, is seeking to establish good political and economic relations with Tokyo.

Another regional factor by which China and Russia differ is Vietnam. Russia has long been a strategic partner of Vietnam and had an ideological connection with it. Today, Russia has received a contract for the supply of six submarines to Vietnam, as well as missiles, combat aircraft and anti-ship missiles (anti-ship missiles). Russia is interested in seeing Vietnam “drop out” of the partnership with the United States.

China, which “aggressively balances on the brink of war and military aggression against Vietnam because of disputes in the South China Sea,” marks Vietnam as an “enemy”, despite its ideological proximity. China continues to escalate the conflict and ignores international norms and conventions, the expert said. Such unfriendly actions against China have aroused in the Vietnamese "strong anti-Chinese sentiment."

Now directly about China.

According to Subhash Kapila, Russia perceives China as a “long-term strategic threat,” especially in relation to the security and integrity of its Far Eastern regions, which “China licks” (there are already thousands of illegal Chinese immigrants, ”the author writes).

As for the Middle East, this region is the "decisive basis of Russian national security interests." And here, China, in addition to "rhetorical support of Russia in Syria," did not do anything substantial. The only thing is joint Russian-Chinese naval exercises in the Eastern Mediterranean this year.

In his previous articles, the Indian raised the topic of a possible reaction of Russia and China to engaging a bear or a dragon with the United States “in direct confrontation”. What will happen in this case? How will Moscow or Beijing behave if one of them turns out to be an opponent of Washington? The expert’s answer was this (and it has not changed now): neither Russia nor China will go “beyond rhetorical support”.

Finally, in Russia itself, according to analysts, there is a “strong opposition” opposing a strategic alliance with China. The argument of opponents of rapprochement with the Middle Kingdom is clear: the delivery of a colossal amount of energy resources to China and the sale of arms to it will strengthen its military potential. The latter, in turn, will greatly complicate Russia's relations with its friends (for example, Vietnam). Moreover, “one day” China can include Russia itself in the list of military enemies. Finally, doing business with a partner like China, Russia will weaken its strategic position and spoil its image.

Peaceful Chinese dragon


Thus, we will add in conclusion that foreign experts believe that Russia and China cannot have a strategic partnership, and even a limited alliance with the “dragon” can damage Moscow in strategic terms.

In addition, experts believe that in the event of a conflict between the US and Russia, the Chinese “dragon” will simply watch the dispute, confining itself to the same rhetoric. In turn, the Russians will not go to war for the Chinese brothers.

Also, experts doubt that the PRC will take any part in the campaign in the Middle East, except for the "rhetorical". The PRC has no “personal” interest in this region, official representatives of the Middle Kingdom say.

Bottom line: alarmists, leading the talk about the coming "small" world war, which will begin with the actions of China in Syria, in vain shake the air.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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    1. +29
      17 October 2015 06: 30
      China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). The Alliance is still the same.
      1. +9
        17 October 2015 06: 39
        Quote: alekc73
        China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). The Alliance is still the same.

        And it will go into disrepair as it has been more than once! The status must be maintained by all means, including military.
        1. +5
          17 October 2015 09: 56
          China has a different status - economic.
      2. +24
        17 October 2015 06: 41
        Quote: alekc73
        China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). The Alliance is still the same.

        And yet, China provides serious political support to Russia, and without this it would be very difficult for us ... And as for the war, as they say, "it is better to keep the enemy nearby .."
        1. +16
          17 October 2015 06: 54
          And yet, China provides serious political support to Russia, and without this it would be very difficult for us ... And as for the war, as they say, "it is better to keep the enemy nearby .."

          China provides support as much as necessary! For the most part, refraining from any action, limiting ourselves only to abstract comments ....
          1. +8
            17 October 2015 08: 41
            It's time to get used to the fact that everything that does not correspond to the stereotypes of American and Western politicians causes them to break patterns and panic. They simply cannot imagine that 20 years after their "victory" over the USSR, countries with their own interests in foreign and domestic policy may appear in the world, and that friendly relations are not an empty phrase for such countries.
            1. +2
              17 October 2015 14: 27
              Analiteg indus s britanskim obrazovaniem ... Sam sebe dokazyvaet, cto Rossija i Kitaj vot-vot nacnut vojnu mezdu soboj ... Ozvucivaet svoi i svoih gospod sokrovennye mecty .... U indusov est rabskaja zilka (sindrom zaloznik bud svoin rabovladelcam (anglosaksam) ese ne odin vek, po hodu ...
              1. +1
                17 October 2015 19: 48
                Quote: Karlovar
                Analiteg indus s britanskim obrazovaniem ... Sam sebe dokazyvaet, cto Rossija i Kitaj vot-vot nacnut vojnu mezdu soboj ... Ozvucivaet svoi i svoih gospod sokrovennye mecty .... U indusov est rabskaja zilka (sindrom zaloznik bud svoin rabovladelcam (anglosaksam) ese ne odin vek, po hodu ...

                There is a great deal of truth in this ... whoever traveled to India and saw how they were being fawned before the English, he knows ...
        2. +3
          17 October 2015 12: 05
          Quote: MIKHAN
          And yet, China provides serious political support to Russia, and without this it would be very difficult for us ... And as for the war, as they say, "it is better to keep the enemy nearby .."

          ----------------------------
          It’s hard to say about the military and political component, after all, the main interest is to curb US global dominance ... And in the economy, joint ventures, which were previously supposed with the Germans, are already underway quite rapidly ... A lot of cooperation is supposed from banking creating an analogue of SWIFT before international banking ... And in this area, anyway, we will be together to prevent the Western monopoly on international finance ...
          1. 0
            17 October 2015 14: 33
            Ekonomiceskij front v sovremennyh realijah-glavnyj! Analog SWIFT oni na dnjah zapustili, na oceredi zapusk neftjanoj Schanhajskoj birzi ...
      3. +5
        17 October 2015 10: 22
        I also agree with the view that China is more interesting for Russia as an economic ally that will help bring down the dollar and convert trade exclusively to gold or rubles, selling them oil and gas than the military. Since, militarily, China, firstly, doesn’t buy military equipment for billions and millions, like India and other countries, but takes small batches and copies, and then even sells its version competing, and secondly, as the article described how to fight properly he will not be for Russia, and they have no experience, perhaps even the spirit, given how little Japan at 39m defeated all their rabble of rice peasants. So there is no military ally in the person of China, too cowardly.
        1. +2
          17 October 2015 14: 46
          Pered 1939 godom anglosaksy 90 let pickali Kitaj opiem, k 1939 godu Kitaj uze lezal v ruinah, blagodarja intervencijam Britanii, USA, Germanii, Francii, Japonii, Rossii, nepreryvnym vosstanijam, revolucijam, grazdanskoj vojezniczduzmajenzmenjduzmenju , armii ne bylo ... Kak i cem oni mogli protivostojat japonskoj voennoj maschine ????
      4. +4
        17 October 2015 11: 41
        Yes, yes .. already a millennium, a wise Chinese monkey sits on a branch, looks at the fighters and waits for its benefit .. sometimes receiving from everyone ... ridiculous of course, but the story is proof of that .. and their great treatise even didn’t help them ..!
      5. wk
        0
        17 October 2015 14: 43
        Quote: alekc73
        China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). The Alliance is still the same.

        yeah over the fight ..... as in the Second World War .... they eat their japs! and all their ostentatious Chinese arrogance will leave the faces of their severed heads!
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      7. +4
        17 October 2015 20: 23
        So it will be. I have commented on articles about the Russian-Chinese alliance more than once and spend one thought, you should not dwell on China! For the national interests of the Russian Federation, at the moment we need partnership with China in the political and economic spheres against the Anglo-Saxons. But we must not forget and about balances in the form of Vietnam and India. In short, the interests of the Russian nation and state for the head of the Russian Federation should be above all! As Stalin did.
        This is in brief.
    2. +8
      17 October 2015 06: 37
      “One day”, China may include Russia itself in the list of military enemies
      - which actually was ... an interesting article, there is something to think about. Oleg -PSPS! hi
      1. +13
        17 October 2015 07: 54
        I believe that a war with China is impossible in principle, because no one will wage war with China with conventional weapons. And China does not have effective protection against the nuclear component, including cruise and ballistic missiles. And with their population density, getting a nuclear response means getting absolutely unacceptable damage. China can undoubtedly wage war of conquest, but not by military means, but simply by settling in territories intended for capture with a touch of pacified physiognomy, developing a business, taking root and, well, multiplying naturally)).
        1. +4
          17 October 2015 10: 32
          Quote: Djubal
          I believe that a war with China is impossible in principle, because no one will wage war with China with conventional weapons.

          Of course, with the total corruption of Russian officials, it is not necessary
          1. +2
            17 October 2015 12: 42
            Quote: Mera Joota
            with the total corruption of Russian officials, it is not necessary
            Why, indeed, attack Russia, if our officials themselves can sell, partially or fully, some enterprises, lease vast lands for an indefinite period ... Finally, where will all these optimists be in friendship with China, if on lands populated by the Chinese , on the labor migrants settled in Russia from the Middle Kingdom, events similar to Kosovo will begin? What, will we use nuclear weapons? In addition, remembering Damansky, it is not a fact that any border conflict will lead to a nuclear war, which, by the way, China, unlike modern Russia, has long been preparing for, and has not considered it something beyond and impossible for a long time. Therefore, cooperation, of course, is necessary, but naivety is to hope for such an ally, and even more so, to consider him a close friend. The Chinese, as soon as they become stronger than Russia, will quickly stop smiling at us, and their requests will be replaced by demands, and demands may well become an ultimatum, it is enough to simply become economically or financially dependent on them.
            1. 0
              17 October 2015 15: 06
              V nacale 20 veka v Rossii toze silno mussirovalas jakoby kitajskaja ugroza kak element informacionnoj vojny .... Odnako v 1904-1905 Rossija poterpela porazenie ot ...... Japonii ... Neozidanno, da ???
            2. 0
              17 October 2015 21: 08
              hope for a friend, but don’t flatter yourself. So are the relations of the Russian Federation with the allies.
        2. 0
          17 October 2015 14: 59
          1000 let nazad kitajcev bylo 200 miljonov .... 70 let nazad-500 miljonov .... Segodnja-1,5 miljarda .......... Vyvod-za 930 let naselenie pribavilo 150% .... , a za 70 let-200% !!!!!! Posle vtoroj mirovoj, v ocen tjazoloe vremja naselenie Kitaja roslo v 17-18 raz bystree !!!!!! Kitay tak gotovilsja k vozmoznoj jadernoj vojne, ne imeja sam v tot moment jadernogo oruzija ... Cem bolsche naroda-tem bolsche sansov u nacii vyzit v armageddone ....
        3. +1
          18 October 2015 02: 47
          And with what weapons did the Japanese occupy China? Or were there MUCH fewer Chinese then? Maybe something depends on motivation?
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    3. +11
      17 October 2015 06: 42
      For a strong friendship with China, you need to have reliable intelligence there, knowing about plans and thoughts! And then the "chill" on the back still persists.
    4. +19
      17 October 2015 06: 47
      I would like to ask the minuses - do you really believe in the Russia-China strategic alliance? In this case, you are either naive or stupid. China, like any other country pursues only its own interests (Russia is an exception. In our history, we often, even to the detriment of ourselves, helped "friends", but gratitude from "friends", as a rule, did not take long). China can support Russia closer to neutral only on issues that do not contradict China's vital interests, and only so.
      Of course, it is necessary to "be friends" with China, but very carefully.
      1. +11
        17 October 2015 07: 47
        You have a curious manner of discussion: whoever disagrees with you is either naive or stupid. You, by your logic, are wise by both worldly and geopolitical experience.
        Funny.

        The strategic alliance between Russia and China suggests itself. He, moreover, already had a place to be before certain historical events. And given these events, the whole context of relations between the USSR and China, we can only clearly understand the modern dynamics of the development of relations between Russia and China. Moreover, one can only be surprised at how fast the positive shifts in our relations turned out to be, even taking into account the logic of modern events in the world, which is simply pushing our two countries towards a strategic alliance.

        Be that as it may, the strategic partnership is already there. The legally formed alliance is now simply harmful for both parties in terms of the effectiveness of our countries' actions in international politics. Just because China and Russia at the moment are actively working on their global interests at different sites, which do not require an alliance in itself, which would trigger an automatically predicted hysterical reaction of the West, and not only it.
        Where our interests intersect, we work within the framework of such blocs and associations as the same SCO.
        Meanwhile, with the inevitable increase in antagonism between the West and Russia, as well as the West and China, a closer and more structured alliance is equally inevitable, which will designate the sphere of common protected interests that are already beginning to manifest themselves.
        And the scarecrows of the liberal-schizoid part of our 5 column on China’s expansionist secret plans are nothing more than a program coordinated with the curators to inject a destructive discourse into the public environment for relations with China.

        But those who support this discourse on any and all discussion and other platforms are obviously either conscious secondary sources of this discourse, or a truly naive tool for these sources.
        1. +6
          17 October 2015 08: 48
          Quote: Generalissimus
          You have a curious manner of discussion: whoever disagrees with you is either naive or stupid. You, by your logic, are wise by both worldly and geopolitical experience. It's funny

          Perhaps you're right, funny. Unlike many, I write only based on previously studied, preferably from several sources. In the 2010s, given the prevailing political situation, he became interested in the history of Russian-Chinese relations and read several works (I recommend reading No. 1 and No. 2 for reading):
          1. Popov I.M. "Russia and China are 300 years on the brink of war)
          2. Lukin A.V. "CHINA. The bear is watching the dragon" (authoritative sinologist, former employee of the USSR Embassy in Beijing)
          3. Popov A.P. "Political systems and regimes in China of the twentieth century" (as far as I know, not a relative of the previously mentioned Popov I.M.)
          4. Akihiro Iwashita "4000 kilometers of problems. The Russian-Chinese border" is a very curious book, given the author's nationality, claims to be impartial in his assessments (it is written rather neutral in relation to both sides, but rather boring)
          Judge not lest ye be judged. I have the honor.
          1. +2
            17 October 2015 09: 41
            I do not judge you at all, if you mean your position. You rely on some material that you consider exhaustive to draw your conclusions.
            Who is against it? I oppose you on the basis of my sources, and by the way, not only books, but also the opinions of people who have worked professionally and for many years in China, and it is with information and its analysis for government needs, let’s say.

            The books you propose already by their titles presuppose a certain imperative, although they are called by you as "different sources" - why be surprised that your conclusions are exactly the way you presented them?

            And then, I already had the opportunity to make sure that many illustrious and authoritative authors, veterans of diplomacy and foreign intelligence, are often influenced in their work by their own ideas about good and evil. =)
            So you, in this case, voluntarily or involuntarily suggest me familiarize myself with the sources, which, even when looking at the names, make it possible to immediately evaluate the general vector of these materials.

            As for the one who is right, time will tell. Maybe life will offer us a completely unexpected option.
            1. +2
              17 October 2015 10: 04
              Quote: Generalissimus
              with sources that, even when looking at the names, make it possible to immediately evaluate the general vector of these materials.

              Judging the content of books by their title is not entirely correct.
              By the way, one of the 2 recommended books (A. Lukin) was written from the perspective of the possibility and desirability of the Moscow-Beijing strategic alliance, to the peak of I. Popov’s work, and therefore recommended these two works as diametrically opposed, for those wishing to compare and analyze.
            2. 0
              17 October 2015 15: 21
              Vo vremja VOV Kitaj byl estestvennym geograficeski sojuznikom i tylom SSSR na vostoke ... Japoncy, zavjaznuv v Kitaje, byli lischeny vozmoznosti otkryt vtoroj front protiv SSSR ... Vystojal by SSSR na jap zapa (front) ??? Vopros spornyj ... Kak minimum-cena pobedy byla by inaja !!!!
          2. +3
            17 October 2015 11: 30
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            In 2010's, given the prevailing political situation, he became interested in the history of Russian-Chinese relations and read several works

            Unfortunately, I do not own such thorough information as you. But they consider me a clever person and a good analyst. I offer my vision of the issue.
            We remove the United States from the brackets (the dollar collapsed, Yellowstone pulled, the negroes staged a revolution), China is definitely taking the leading role in the world. A powerful economy, a lot of money, a huge army. And so the Chinese decided to "take" the "empty" Far East and Eastern Siberia. We are not considering the nuclear option for solving the problem, because if it is implemented, there will be neither V. Siberia, nor the Far East, nor China, and in a couple of days. At the same time, all of Russia west of the Urals will remain practically untouched.
            Well, the Chinese moved their troops north. They receive a "return", and disproportionate (compare the population density of DV and northern China). And Vladivostok, by the way, is better protected than Moscow.
            As a result of bloody battles, China captures the destroyed Transbaikalia, Amurskub region, Primorye, Sakhalin. Advancement to the north is impossible - only a few roads lead there, which are tightly blocked by small forces. You will also slightly accelerate to the West for the same reason - there is, in fact, only one road. And what does China have in the end, apart from tens of millions of deaths, a badly damaged economy (the "response" is inevitable) and trillions of losses without the slightest possible compensation for at least part of the losses? At the same time, 90% of the Russian economy is not affected, as well as 95% of human resources.
            Of course, I did not mention missiles with a non-nuclear warhead, the actions of fleets, missile defense, air defense, and much more. But the essence of the opinion, I hope, is clear hi
            1. +1
              17 October 2015 23: 12
              "Vladivostok, by the way, is better protected than Moscow."
              After these words, dear, you can no longer read and not take seriously. I don’t know who considers you to be a good analyst, but better not to judge the military component. soldier
        2. +1
          17 October 2015 15: 12
          Absolutno so vsem soglasen !!!!
        3. 0
          17 October 2015 23: 09
          Yes, just in any alliance, each side still has its own interests. Why argue? "Your shirt is closer to your body." Just for now, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." We must use this.
        4. 0
          18 October 2015 03: 01
          You can make friends as much as you like, and rightly so, but you need to keep the gunpowder dry, your gunpowder, and not hope that someone will fit in for you. It’s time to really pull up the economy and to rattle the arms for a long time with a one-sided developed economy still does not work out. Today’s rearmament of the Russian army is mainly spent on oil money. Tomorrow what are we going to upgrade to? If a conflict occurs, they will immediately chop off the sale of oil and gas to us!
          PS. He wrote like a year and a half ago that it took us a very long time to create new weapons, while Russia, in my opinion, is on the verge of a big schucher, and many wrote here
          -Yes, calm down, not so everything settles down badly, calm down. It does not seem gentlemen to calm down.
          Therefore, in addition I want to write, I need to modernize the economy and very quickly there will be no other chance.
      2. +8
        17 October 2015 07: 55
        The strategic alliance is so characteristic that its members pursue exclusively their vital interests (both we and the Chinese). Another thing is that at this stage our interests coincide, which is what our alliance defines. When will you finally understand that political union and partnership is not friendship, nor fraternity, and not love for the grave. That is why our current alliance with China is reliable, because no one is building illusions in it, no water and lyrics, everything is pragmatic and adult.
        1. +1
          17 October 2015 15: 31
          Daze v bytu nastojasaja druzba-dovolno redkoe javlenie .... U zencin ee voobse ne mozet byt .... A mezdu stranani tem bolee.Tolko vzaimnye interesy! A pravitel objazan dumat o svoej strane, svoem narode! Neuzeli eto tak trudno ponjat ???
      3. +3
        17 October 2015 07: 58
        Of course, Russia is an altruist, sleeping and sees how to help the whole world, only we are the BIGGEST country in the world! All countries pursue only their interests, and Russia is no exception, and partners at different times are different, and can change to the opposite very quickly. Russia acts on the principle: with a gun and a kind word, it can do much more than just a kind word.
      4. -1
        17 October 2015 09: 26
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        China, like any other country pursues only its own interests (Russia is an exception. In our history, we often, even to the detriment of ourselves, helped "friends", but thanks from "friends", to


        To put it mildly, following your comment, we don’t look smart
        1. +2
          17 October 2015 09: 44
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          To put it mildly, following your comment, we don’t look smart

          It is not the presence or absence of the mind as such, but the presence of honor, conscience and responsibility.

          "You are always so trusting, Russia,
          What, right, it just takes a dumb
          .
          Since the time of Timur and Batu
          Evil forces tormented you
          And grossly humiliated your people. "

          It seemed: the goals are the best in the world:
          "Freedom, brotherhood, equality of labor!"
          But all the heroes are simple, like children,
          And this is their great misfortune.

          Eduard Asadov - Russia (everything is said in these lines)
          1. 0
            17 October 2015 09: 59
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            and in the presence of honor, conscience and responsibility.

            Politics - both honor and conscience? Where is such an abyss of naivety ?? Idealists in power, what could be worse, Dovlatov’s not bad is written about this - about cynics and idealists in power ..
            1. 0
              17 October 2015 10: 11
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Politics - both honor and conscience? Where is such an abyss of naivety ??

              And here is nivism, and far from tender age and "rosy" views, but knowing the history of my country quite well, I assure you that very often our actions were dictated by these concepts. I am not saying good or bad, just stating that it was so.
        2. +2
          17 October 2015 14: 52
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          China, like any other country pursues only its own interests (Russia is an exception. In our history, we often, even to the detriment of ourselves, helped "friends", but thanks from "friends"

          To put it mildly, following your comment, we don’t look smart

          And so it is. To whom only Russia does not help, to whom only Putin does not make discounts, to whom only does he not write off billions ... But only his people always and always owe and owe.
          1. +1
            17 October 2015 15: 08
            Quote: anip
            And so it is. To whom only Russia does not help,


            so maybe call it honestly-stupidity, bordering on betrayal?
      5. 0
        17 October 2015 15: 09
        Tolko tak !!! Daze v bytu tak i proishodit ... Est zamecatelnaja russkaja poslovica pro druzbu i tabacok ...
    5. +5
      17 October 2015 06: 49
      The Chinese can say modern Tatar-Mongols with their cunning. As Vladimir Vladimirovich says, they are just partners, but not friends. Friends of Russia is only the army and navy.
      1. -5
        17 October 2015 08: 04
        ... utter nonsense: Mongolia was founded in 1920 - at least take a look at Vika .. Mogolia (great), Ruthenia, Scythia, Tartaria (people from Tartarus), Barbarians "Enlightened Europe" called RUSSIA despite the fact that she herself is a product of the Slavs, though it was well inseminated by the Arabs with the Jews, which is basically the same thing ..., Tatar = Cossack is an equestrian warrior, not a nation or nationality .. Therefore, the proverb "an uninvited guest is worse than a Tatar, just comparisons of a guest with tax collectors ..
        1. -4
          17 October 2015 10: 00
          So far, they are minus this. But the truth will come out of the shadows and everything will turn into pluses. That's just the Arabs = Jews, I do not agree. According to genetic studies, Jews are relatives of Italians (well, or Italians are relatives of Jews), their difference in genomes is less than 10%, with all the others much more. About the genetics of the Arabs did not meet information.
    6. +1
      17 October 2015 06: 49
      The Chinese dragon sitting in its cave and indifferently watching the fire around its lands does not realize that when there is nothing to divide in the world, one exceptional nation will come for its skin.
      1. +4
        17 October 2015 08: 27
        The poor dragon that does not do is always to blame))). Sits in his cave, so insidiously survives. Climbing into a fight, aggressively captures scenes of influence and territory. If the Chinese sent their military to the same Syria, this would certainly be perceived as evidence of the danger of China and its cunning. It resembles the perceptions of us Russians in Europe. What don’t do, you will still see the insidious machinations of the Bear.
        1. 0
          17 October 2015 15: 34
          Horoso i dohodcivo skazali!
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    7. +1
      17 October 2015 06: 50
      There is one more contradiction! These are oil prices! China is profitable for low prices, respectively, on the contrary.
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 15: 39
        Kitaju nevygodna dostupnaja dlja Evropy kontrabandnaja neft iz Livii, Iraka, Sirii po 20 ..., kogda sam pokupajet po 50 ....
    8. +7
      17 October 2015 06: 59
      In the Chinese army, at "political studies" they say - we are fighting back to back with Russia from the imperialists of NATO. "(Source-Eton tv). All your Western experts are complete crap. Either they do not see beyond their noses, or they work off the money of the State Department. newspaper "Vladimir Skosyrev, who is quoted by the author - who is this? A very curious style of posing the question of" Russian intervention. "It is not serious to draw any conclusions referring to such sources.
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 15: 41
        A ved pravda, v statje napisano-rossijskaja intervencija! Spallsja aftertar!
    9. +7
      17 October 2015 07: 01
      It seems to me - China needs a brother like the Russian Federation. The Americans are unhappy --- Spartley Islands.
      The Chinese leadership sets the population in friendly rhetoric towards the Russian Federation. Which means a lot, in my opinion. Compare how some other countries cultivate frenzied hatred of Russia. Already this is +++.
      The Chinese are cunning, but ours are attentive.
    10. +6
      17 October 2015 07: 01
      The dragon will remain a dragon.
      The little dragon sits and cries:
      - why are you crying?
      - I feel sorry for mom ...
      - what with her?
      - I ate her ....
      - What about dad?
      - I and his eater ...
      - Do you know who you are after that ???
      - Know-ah ... Round orphan ... hi
    11. +5
      17 October 2015 07: 01
      There will never be an alliance between Russia and China; it is not beneficial to both sides.
      But good neighborly relations and common interests are quite possible!
      If you look at the geopolitical map of the development of China, we will see an island where almost all the population and industry are concentrated!
      Further, from the logic of the island's development, the first step of expansion is Taiwan, the second south.
      North is not even considered!
      The same can be said about the geopolitical map of Russia
      the natural boundaries of development are mountains, we can observe the same thing in the eastern part of Russia; the only restriction there is the desert / steppe and mountains that are clearly visible on the geopolitical map of China, into which Russia has already rested and will not be able to grow further east even if it wants to!
      That is, looking at the maps, we can say for sure that our development paths and interests with China are not moving towards each other and that means there are no conflicts over spheres of influence in the region!
      1. +2
        17 October 2015 09: 42
        That's right, thanks for the clear picture. I’ll try to clarify a bit: they wrote for a long time that most of the border between us is an impenetrable territory, and like the Wehrmacht, it’s dashing to drive it in tanks. Yes, there are open areas, but they are blocked by a nuclear belt. And finally, 80% of the Chinese live in the channel of 2 rivers, and if at the source I have baboons? Do they need it? They orientated correctly, and began to dump the islands in the south of the Chinese Sea. By the way, the Americans decided to transfer their charm of the tour.
        1. 0
          17 October 2015 14: 22
          It can be added that those 2 rivers are locked by the "three gorges" dam, and if anything will wash away the entire industrial China from the destruction of this dam!
    12. +3
      17 October 2015 07: 02
      I liked the article, there is something to think about. East is a delicate matter. Stalin called the Chinese a radish. Top red, white inside. Of course, I am not against friendly relations with China, but I would hardly begin to talk about military partnership. They are too changeable. Today, friends, and tomorrow hell knows who ...
      The tricks are over the edge. Not everything is so clear in our relationship. The article is plus, I agree with the thoughts of the author.
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 19: 02
        Quote: Mirrorfax
        Stalin called the Chinese radish


        He quoted his beloved Mayakovsky as saying:

        An intellectual does not like risk.
        And red in moderation - like a radish.
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    13. +6
      17 October 2015 07: 09
      China’s intervention in the Syrian conflict could lead to a “small” world war.

      Mehmet Fatih Oztars tries to scare the public. There cannot be a "small" world war in nature. If a world war has begun, then it will be world war with all the ensuing consequences. Turkey, of course, really does not want and is afraid of a possible Chinese intervention in Syria. In this situation, I personally tend to believe that China will support us morally and diplomatically, observing events from the outside. But in our world, the situation can change very quickly, so it is not known what will happen in a month or six months.
      1. -1
        17 October 2015 07: 26
        The Turks would be better to be more careful with their statements about some downed planes there. So you can play too much! And then they will be a small world by most I do not want!
        1. +1
          17 October 2015 08: 09
          ... The Vatican will also leave Constantinople for us - it was founded by Ivan Kalita ..
      2. 0
        17 October 2015 15: 43
        Eto strahi turkov ....
    14. +2
      17 October 2015 07: 10
      Western experts, as always, stick their nose out of their business. We somehow dispense with the opinion of Western wiseacres! In the context of the information and sanctions war that they unleashed against Russia, we need allies. In addition, their experts are inclined to wishful thinking. And how much a strong affiliate we have is not their business!
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 15: 46
        Na sosednej vetke indus s britanskim obrazovaniem i, po hodu, poddanstvom izgoljaetsja, vydavaja zelaemoe za dejstvitelnoe ...
    15. +3
      17 October 2015 07: 14
      The author is right on many issues. The strategic partnership between Russia and China is temporary, China has its own road, we have our own. So far, we are united by the desire to rid the world of US influence, but what will happen then? China, sooner or later, will become the No. 1 power in all respects and its ambitions will only grow, the power spoils ... it has always been this way in the future, so you need to be friends but also plan for the future so that this "friendship" does not go into harm to Russia. Take, for example, our military-technical cooperation, we all know how new technology appears in China :) not only does he copy everything he can reach, he also drives us out of the market with his products, and the fact that our weapons are better than a special role for often does not play, here economic factors come into play: a lower price and a strong economy of the Celestial Empire ... the CIS space is also a separate topic, China invests very large sums in our partners and this poses a threat to the economy and political influence of Russia. So we need to be on friendly terms with China, but carefully, and limit its influence in those areas where it can harm us.
    16. +1
      17 October 2015 07: 36
      It is profitable for "experts" to turn it out like that.
      Simple question. What is better 67 percent Western support for Syria or Chinese politics do not interfere?
    17. +2
      17 October 2015 07: 46
      Quote: alekc73
      China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). The Alliance is still the same.


      I plusan you, man. Pay attention - The Chinese have never been aggressive, sometimes at their own expense. It’s time for us (humanity) to fly to Mars, cooperate, and then some teenagers (America) muddied the water. Let's grow up already, miserable exclusively ...
    18. +5
      17 October 2015 07: 51
      The article is controversial (to put it mildly)
      The author hates the rapprochement between Russia and China. The principle of divide and conquer goes between the lines ...
      USA we have "partners" ...? Does China not mean friends to us? So what do you think? Dear columnist and commentator Oleg Chuvakin ...
    19. +3
      17 October 2015 08: 00
      The times "Russian, Chinese are brothers forever" are over. Now only mutually beneficial interests ...
    20. +2
      17 October 2015 08: 00
      It seems like the Russian Aerospace Forces are doing pretty well in Syria. I have not heard about the increase in the contingent lately. So why should China get in there? From the number of participating countries, efficiency does not change much. A live example is before our eyes: a coalition from 60 countries, we look at its annual efficiency and scratch the back of its head.
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 15: 48
        Pravilnyj vopros !!!
    21. +2
      17 October 2015 08: 03
      Where did you see it in your friends' politics, is politics a constant bargaining?
    22. +3
      17 October 2015 08: 18
      When Western or pro-Western media start broadcasting to us about China's hostility to Russia (and recently such statements from the lips of our oppositionists and liberals have clearly become more frequent), I always remember the phrase "look for who benefits." I give a grudge that at the same time in China, the local pro-Western liberalism is also trying to inspire everyone about the insidious northern country, which is just waiting for a reason to stab the celestial Empire in the back.
      As for friendship, the Great Powers do not know how to be friends, no matter how much they would like to. Brotherhood, friendship, love, this is all the lyrics characteristic of people, but not of states. States should build their relations on the basis of mutually beneficial partnership and taking into account each other's interests. Such pragmatic relationships are more reliable than those built on emotional attachment. In this regard, China is a reliable partner without tricks, and this is enough. This is a good business relationship, do not fly here friendship and fraternity.
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 08: 27
        Quote: Vais
        As for friendship, the Great Powers do not know how to be friends, no matter how much they would like to.

        Take a trip to China. Surprise. You won't get lost in Shanghai - they will tell you the way to the hotel and you will scratch your turnips: "Have I begun to understand Chinese?" The Chinese don't want to be friends with us - they are already friends
        1. +5
          17 October 2015 08: 40
          I have been there many times. There are many friends there, and they will remain my friends, regardless of the political situation. I respect the people there, there is a reason. People, unlike states, can be friends, love, and be brothers. That's why they are people.
      2. 0
        17 October 2015 15: 50
        Pod kazdym Vaschim slovom podpisyvajus ...
    23. +3
      17 October 2015 08: 55
      In my opinion, China is with Us in Syria! soldier
    24. +1
      17 October 2015 08: 55
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      For a strong friendship with China, you need to have reliable intelligence there, knowing about plans and thoughts! And then the "chill" on the back still persists.

      You speak directly like a European about Russia. They are also generally not against friendship with us, but still the cold weather persists. This country in the East is painfully big and mysterious. This is they about Russia.
    25. 0
      17 October 2015 09: 29
      A large, mysterious and cold country in the north. This is Russia in the understanding of China. Which in an incomprehensible way has not lost either its competencies or technology in many areas, especially in military-technical ones.
    26. +1
      17 October 2015 09: 57
      My neighbor, an entrepreneur with a joint business with the Chinese, says - learn Chinese. Sooner or later, speaking it will still have to. From my point of view, the union of the strong features of each of the peoples would be ideal. Something like Chinese industriousness and discipline and Russian soulfulness. This of course is maximally simplified, but something like that. But what would America do when the Russian-Chinese Union emerged? Only if you hang yourself :)
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 15: 54
        Sojuz objavljat rano! Budet isterika i neadekvatnye dejstvija so storony zapada (oni pri jadrenbatone) ...
    27. 0
      17 October 2015 10: 30
      The test says: "... foreign experts believe that Russia and China cannot have a strategic partnership, and even a limited alliance with the" dragon "could harm Moscow strategically."
      stop Why do we need to listen to some foreign experts there? They all think not about Russia at all.
      1. +2
        17 October 2015 10: 49
        And I wouldn’t listen to the opinion of foreign, especially Western experts, they wouldn’t teach good. In the dreams of Western elites, it’s to fragment and dismember Russia and share its wealth. And local, Russian liberals, for imaginary Western, liberal values, are ready to go to the West China will not be a friend, but it will be a reliable partner. He alone cannot keep the expansion of the United States and Western countries. At least NATO members, at least not members. The Chinese can trade, calculate trade risks, seriously, do not fight.
    28. 0
      17 October 2015 10: 58
      In a decree of 1793, Emperor Qianlong of China greeted Lord McCartney, envoy of His Gracious Majesty King of England George III, in the following words.

      “It is noted that even though your country lies beyond the oceans, you humbly want to get acquainted with the civilized world, and that your envoy has arrived at the court to pay homage to the lord of the Celestial Empire and congratulate him on his birthday.
      Such humility and respectful obedience inspire our approval.
      In response, your messenger will give you our wish.
      We want your country to continue to show loyalty to the Celestial Empire and swore eternal obedience to it. "

      That's what the emperors of China said with the envoys of England! )))
      We do not understand much in the East!
    29. 0
      17 October 2015 11: 44
      I liked the article; the author’s line of reasoning is interesting. In many ways I really agree with him. hi
    30. 0
      17 October 2015 12: 04
      Quote: Dan Slav
      In a decree of 1793, Emperor Qianlong of China greeted Lord McCartney, envoy of His Gracious Majesty King of England George III, in the following words.

      “It is noted that even though your country lies beyond the oceans, you humbly want to get acquainted with the civilized world, and that your envoy has arrived at the court to pay homage to the lord of the Celestial Empire and congratulate him on his birthday.
      Such humility and respectful obedience inspire our approval.
      In response, your messenger will give you our wish.
      We want your country to continue to show loyalty to the Celestial Empire and swore eternal obedience to it. "

      That's what the emperors of China said with the envoys of England! )))
      We do not understand much in the East!

      This is such a ritual. Russian tsars also spoke with European ambassadors. Each side traditionally exalts itself as the center of the world.
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 19: 08
        Oh well! Waiting, sir! When they talk to us like that.
        Then not only trade caravans will go along the Silk Road. )
    31. 0
      17 October 2015 12: 46
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      In the 2010s, given the prevailing political situation, he became interested in the history of Russian-Chinese relations and read several works (I recommend reading No. 1 and No. 2 for reading):
      1. Popov I.M. "Russia and China are 300 years on the brink of war)
      2. Lukin A.V. "CHINA. The bear is watching the dragon" (authoritative sinologist, former employee of the USSR Embassy in Beijing)
      3. Popov A.P. "Political systems and regimes in China of the twentieth century" (as far as I know, not a relative of the previously mentioned Popov I.M.)
      4. Akihiro Iwashita "4000 kilometers of problems. The Russian-Chinese border" is a very curious book, given the author's nationality, claims to be impartial

      Do not tell, the Japanese, in principle, is not capable of an unbiased assessment when the topic concerns Russia and China, Japan's two main continental rivals. Drive a wedge between Russia and China is the main imperative of Japanese politics for the past hundred years. As well as the main task of England at all times was to embroil the continental powers between Germany, Russia and France. Every Japanese researcher is always ready to prove Russian hostility to China, and Chinese hostility to Russia.
      As for the rest of the books, in the West there is also a whole layer of scientific literature and serious research written by the so-called. specialists in Russia, holders of various academic degrees, who thoroughly prove Russia's traditional hostility to Western civilization and the seriousness of the "Russian threat". Russia in the west, as well as China in Russia, is a traditional scarecrow for alarmists of all stripes.
    32. -3
      17 October 2015 13: 37
      What should you go in your madness to call our worst enemy an ally, partner and brother ?! China openly says it’s about to attack Russia. And the oligarchy gives him land in hundreds of thousands of hectares.
      1. +3
        17 October 2015 13: 54
        Give examples. I ask you not to bring old maps on which the border is indicated by the Nerchinsk Treaty. There the border passes along the Stanovoi Range. In 1858, the Aigun Treaty on the Amur was signed, and in 1860, according to the Beijing Treaty, a preliminary demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border was carried out. And all border conflicts and inconsistencies were resolved in 2006.
        1. 0
          17 October 2015 14: 24
          A bunch of examples. This is what the Chinese themselves write openly. Who should they be afraid of? Is there an oligarchy? So he merges them all.
          "China spoke openly about the war with Russia. Date
          In China, the pro-government newspaper Wen Wei Po published material explaining that the pace of the country's economic and political development will lead to the need for war with China’s closest neighbors. Among the potential targets of attack is Russia.

          According to reporters, in the next 50 years, China expects 6 victorious wars. The first will be the "war for the unification of the nation" in 2020-25, that is, the war with Taiwan, the conquest of which is given a maximum of 6 months. Then comes the turn of Vietnam, which China will attack in 2028-30 to regain control of the former Chinese islands of Spartley.

          In 2035-40, China will start a war with India to conquer Southern Tibet. In this war, the Chinese are counting on the help of Pakistan, which will simultaneously have to invade South Kashmir.

          In 2040-45, a favorable moment will come for the war with Japan - the Chinese intend to return the originally Chinese islands of Diaoyu-Dao and Ryukyu occupied by Japan. Mongolia will be attacked almost immediately, unless, of course, it agrees to peacefully unite with China.

          And finally, a series of wars will end with a grand conflict with Russia, which is scheduled for 2055-2060. It was then that Russia’s turn came to answer for the fact that at one time it had seized more than 1,6 million square kilometers from the Chinese Empire. The Chinese intend by this time to become a leading world power, the first in the field of all possible types of troops, so they expect to easily overcome their northern neighbor. "
          1. +3
            17 October 2015 14: 58
            Bullshit. I’ve been living a kilometer from Hei-He for 60 years and I didn’t notice anything from that nonsense that you wrote. Although the Chinese have to meet constantly.
            1. 0
              17 October 2015 16: 24
              And I served on the Amur. The officers who trained us always said that our first enemy is China. And it seems to you that the Chinese do not write about the future war with Russia - all God's dew. But the question is not about you, but the question of the resources and territories of Russia that the Sinologists need.
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    33. +3
      17 October 2015 14: 08
      All the same, China will have to get involved in the war if the Taliban and the Islamic State pour in to Tajikistan. Too much business there in China, mining of gold including, etc. and the uneasiness of the Shinjiang of the Uyghur Autonomous Okrug will give its way if they just watch. The analyst is funny, we don’t have love for suction with China, but it is important for us to ensure the security of our borders. The Chinese are wise people they do not need problems at their borders. Then, yes, we have contradictions with our EurAsEC and how much we work together, the world is not as primitive as the analyst thinks all countries are neighbors and not only have many claims to each other, the eternal allies of the EU and the USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA, USA and Canada think they have no contradictions, it's silly to think so. Russia and the PRC have one strategic thing in common: the common security of our borders in Central Asia, Europe, the Asia-Pacific region and we are not trying to teach others how to live and do not impose our worldview model on others; this fundamentally brings our positions closer together. The fact that there are a lot of Chinese in the Far East, oh lane year!, The Chinese now live in all cities of the world and nothing, In Australia they also leased land, the Australians then also yelled saying - annexation! Now they are silent and receive the benefits of cooperation. If you carefully prescribe that the Chinese can not do with our land and regulate this process, then there will be no problems. And then hysteria is something not the case. I like one example about our relationship with the Chinese - marriage is not by love but by calculation, and unlike love, which disappears very quickly, pragmatic mutually beneficial relationships can last much much longer.
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 18: 25
        In the US, the Chinese, according to various estimates, from 5 to 20 million !!! Let us take the average figure-10 million !!! In Australia, with a population of 23 million Chinese, 3-4 million !!! And nothing, the Anglo-Saxons still did not strangle ... There are not a million Chinese in Russia ... By the way, many people in the Far East confuse Koreans (Russian citizens who know Russian well, 300 thousand Koreans live in Russia) with the Chinese ... And the Chinese rent even in the USA, in South Korea, about Latin America, Africa I am silent ... And about Tajikistan, I think you're right! There not only China, the entire SCO army will send ...
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    35. 0
      17 October 2015 14: 17
      Quote: Grave without Cross
      What should you go in your madness to call our worst enemy an ally, partner and brother ?! China openly says it’s about to attack Russia. And the oligarchy gives him land in hundreds of thousands of hectares.

      Leprid Kim is Chinese? Viktor Tsoi is obvious too. I didn’t even look further.
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    36. -1
      17 October 2015 14: 33
      Here is an expert opinion.
      "Chinese expansion is inevitable
      People in China believe that nuclear war is better
      than collapse from the inside

      Alexander Khramchikhin,
      Deputy Director
      Institute of Political
      and military analysis
      The articles of the military-industrial complex weekly (Nos. 14, 17, 19, 22, 28 and 31) examined the current state of the PLA and the military-industrial complex (MIC) of the PRC. It has been shown that although China’s military capabilities have long been super redundant in terms of national defense, they continue to build up at an unprecedented pace.

      In the production of military equipment of all major classes, except nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers, the Celestial Empire confidently occupies the first place in the world, although the capabilities of its military-industrial complex will be used by up to a third. At the same time, the Chinese practically eliminated the qualitative lag behind the armed forces of the countries of the West and Russia, which took place ten years ago. Even where a certain lag persists, it is not fundamental and is easily compensated by quantitative superiority.
      Capturing territories as problem solving
      Complete disregard for these facts in Russia is beginning to take on the character of some kind of collective insanity, which is sometimes exacerbated by outright lies about the production of weapons in China in small batches, as well as about our wonderful relationship. The pro-Chinese lobby in Russia, which is at least no weaker than the pro-American one, is very much involved in this madness. Moreover, he has resources in the Russian Federation that the Americans do not have - a huge Chinese diaspora, Chinese special services operating almost without hindrance on our territory, and a significant number of Russian citizens, moreover, very high-ranking ones, bought by Beijing long ago and ready to sell him absolutely everything. "
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 14: 41
        Khramchikhin? Oh well good Everything is clear, this is a noble fighter against the liquid market. He has these treacherous Chinese soon climb out from under the bed.
        1. 0
          17 October 2015 18: 31
          Khramchikhin was blown away! Looks like the guys from a well-known office blew him a little weak ..., he is silent, he doesn’t shine ... He recently had his latest article, there he was declining the USA and the EU, though unconvincingly ..., and China was hurt by chance .... It can be seen that they worked with him ...
    37. +1
      17 October 2015 14: 49

      Quote: Grave without Cross
      A bunch of examples. This is what the Chinese themselves write openly. Who should they be afraid of? Is there an oligarchy? So he merges them all.
      "China spoke openly about the war with Russia. Date
      In China, the pro-government newspaper Wen Wei Po published material explaining that the pace of the country's economic and political development will lead to the need for war with China’s closest neighbors. Among the potential targets of attack is Russia.

      According to reporters, in the next 50 years, China expects 6 victorious wars. The first will be the "war for the unification of the nation" in 2020-25, that is, the war with Taiwan, the conquest of which is given a maximum of 6 months. Then comes the turn of Vietnam, which China will attack in 2028-30 to regain control of the former Chinese islands of Spartley.

      And finally, a series of wars will end with a grand conflict with Russia, which is scheduled for 2055-2060. It was then that Russia’s turn came to answer for the fact that at one time it had seized more than 1,6 million square kilometers from the Chinese Empire. The Chinese intend by this time to become a leading world power, the first in the field of all possible types of troops, so they expect to easily overcome their northern neighbor. "

      Can you please direct link to this article?
      1. -3
        17 October 2015 15: 34
        Yes, enjoy! Kitaezsky only learn. Or are you a chinaman?
        "On July 8, the pro-government Chinese newspaper Wenweipo published an article titled" 6 Wars China Should Fight In The Next 50 Years. "
        The planned 6 wars are all for their own purposes unifying (irredentist) - in their root, the development of those territories that imperial China lost as a result of the opium war with Britain in the 1840-42 years. Defeats, from the point of view of the Chinese nationalists, which led to the “centenary humiliation” of China.
        The English translation was taken from the Hong Kong blog Midnight Express 2046, the original article is ChinaNews.com. The Hong Kong resource calls the article an excellent example of modern Chinese imperialism.
        China is not a single great power. This is the humiliation of the Chinese people, the shame of the sons of the Yellow Emperor. For the sake of national unity and dignity, China must wage 6 wars in the next 50 years. Some regional, others, possibly total. No matter what, they are all inevitable for Chinese reunification.
        THE SIXTH WAR: THE RETURN OF THE EARTH FROM RUSSIA (YEARS 2055 - 2060)
        The current relations between China and Russia would seem to be good, but this is a result of the fact that the United States does not leave them any other choice.
        Both countries are closely monitored by each other. Russia fears that the rise of China threatens its power, but China has never forgotten the possessions lost in favor of Russia. When the case turns up, China will return all the lost territories.
        After five previous victories for 2050, China will make territorial claims based on the domain of ownership (domain) of the Qin Dynasty (as an association of Outer Mongolia based on the domain of the Republic of China) and will conduct propaganda campaigns in support of such claims. Efforts must be made to ensure that Russia disintegrates again.
        At the time of “Old China”, Russia occupied 1,6 million square kilometers of land, which is equal to one sixth of the territory of the current domain of China. Thus, Russia is China's worst enemy.
        After winning the previous five wars - it's time to get Russia to pay.
        This must lead to a war with Russia. Although by this time China was the foremost military power in the field of aviation, Navy, ground and space forces, this is the first war against a nuclear power. Therefore, China should be well prepared in the field of nuclear weapons, the possibility of a nuclear strike on Russia from the beginning to the end of the conflict.
        When China deprives Russia of the possibility of a retaliatory strike, Russia realizes that it cannot with China on the battlefield.
        They will only have to give up their occupied lands, paying a high price for their invasions. "
      2. -2
        17 October 2015 16: 18
        I will not only give you a link, I will also give you a text in Chinese! For you and for the same pioneers as you.
        Beginning of the article:
        "中国 是 一个 没有 统一 的 大 国 , 这 是 华夏 民族 的 耻辱 , 是
    38. +1
      17 October 2015 15: 53
      -Very good article ... -I have already written more than once and ... I never get tired of repeating ...
      -Dangerous and insidious enemy for Russia .. than China ... -no and never will be ... -China is the real mortal enemy for Russia ...
      -And always ... -In response, a huge number of minuses or even my posts are removed ... -This is not surprising ... -The forum has long been full of Chinese ... -if everyone ... minus .. .
      -Here are ... things ... -And Russia continues to sleep ... and to see ghostly dreams about "indestructible friendship and partnership" ... with its ... mortal enemy ...
      1. +1
        17 October 2015 18: 34
        Many "strategists" reasoned in the same way in 1904 ..... And flew in from Japan .....
      2. +1
        17 October 2015 18: 44
        Ignore the cons, treat it as a reward. I have the impression that most of those who yell "For China!" did not serve at all. Any military man understands the threat of the Chinese army and immigrants. The very title of the article "Peaceful Chinese Dragon" is similar to the phrase peaceful kind anaconda or crocodile. Although, our main threat is really not China - it is the oligarchy in the Kremlin, which surrenders us with giblets to China.
    39. +2
      17 October 2015 16: 50
      Oh yes, a Hong Kong (!) Tabloid newspaper, known as a humorous collection of fakes (who doesn’t know, she launched a fake about Uncle Kim Dong Un fed to dogs) - this is certainly a serious source. bully
      As serious as the video with the fake prophecies of saints and Russian Koreans as Chinese migrants)))
      Quote: Grave without Cross
      Just learn Chinese. Or are you Chinese yourself. "

      No, I'm not Chinese. I don’t know such a nation of “Chinas” at all.
    40. +3
      17 October 2015 17: 05
      Quote: lonovila

      -Dangerous and insidious enemy for Russia .. than China ... -no and never will be ... -China is the real mortal enemy for Russia ...
      -This is not surprising ... -the forum has long been full of Chinese ... -if everyone ... minus ...
      -And Russia continues to sleep ... and to see ghostly dreams about "indestructible friendship and partnership" ... with its ... mortal enemy ...


      Nihao! Although I am a Chinese laughing (no, well and what, that eyes are round, the last name is on "in"ends! wassat ), I will not put cons.

      A mortal enemy: you know, there would be more of such "deadly" ones and the population of Russia would have already approached half a billion, probably. For 360 (!) Years (since 1654) 7 (!) Conflicts have been registered on the Russian-Chinese border. For 238 years (from 1686 to 1924) there were no conflicts at all. The most famous is Damansky. The death toll from our side is 58 people. For an individual family, this is grief. I do not mock at this. But on a national scale (the length of the Russian-Chinese border is 4209,3 kilometers), this is a local conflict. According to your classification, there are probably "non-lethal" enemies? Remind me how many of our citizens died from "non-lethal" enemies? Who doesn't even have a border with us? How many tens of millions are there? And who, indirectly, with someone else's hands, fought with us, inciting other peoples against us? These "hidden" enemies have brought much more grief to the vast majority of families in our country. Count how many of our people have died at least since the collapse of the USSR in local conflicts: Karabakh, Chechnya, Transnistria, etc. - Damansky will seem like a joke. Who unleashed these conflicts? Who invested money there? Chinese? I don't seem to know much.
      The two superpowers have been rubbing their edges against each other for over 300 years and they have not had a single war! Naturally, to think that these are harmless peizans is arrogant and stupid. But calling them "mortal enemies" is overkill. For a true assessment of their capabilities and the threat posed by them, there are several serious state structures. And there are troops there too.
      1. +3
        17 October 2015 18: 45
        If you calculate how many people Russia lost in wars with the West (taking into account potentially unborn children from the deceased), then there will be 200 million .... That is, the population of the current Russian Federation could be around 350 million !!! By the way, the task of the West has always been basically, if it was not possible to win, to knock out the population of Russia-Russia as much as possible .... because in those days demography decided the outcome of the war ... Many people, many economies, many taxes, many scientists, many workers , many talents, many warriors ....
    41. -1
      17 October 2015 17: 30
      Quote: lonovila

      -And always ... -In response, a huge number of minuses or even my posts are removed ... -This is not surprising ... -The forum has long been full of Chinese ... -if everyone ... minus .. .

      Those. if you are mistaken for a fool (and this is the only way to explain why each of your posts is intensely minded), then it’s not you who are to blame, but the insidious Chinese who have flooded the site? Original bully
      1. 0
        18 October 2015 03: 12
        -Yes, let them take ... at least for someone ... -Human closeness is narrow-mindedness ... -Yes, how easy and simple it is for insidious Chinese people to always deal with such "smart guys" ... how are you ... easy to cheat ... -How is it sung in a funny song ...- "On ..." smart guy "... you don't need a knife" ... and so on ...
        -Just evil and fear take ... -as criminally stupid and careless Russia ...
        -And about my personal forecasts, assessments and statements (so abundantly minus "smart guys") ... -they are not so "absurd" ... as it turned out ...
        -That's even what I once said more than once about the need for Russia "Mistrals" and that was confirmed ... -These "Mistrals" now would be so great for Russia in Syria ... -With these "Mistrals" Russia would simply completely control the entire region now and would completely close the entire space for any "IS" and their other "allies" ... and so on ...
        -Yes, why am I explaining to you here ... -you are a "smart guy" ... for you and "anything" will do ...
    42. +2
      17 October 2015 18: 03
      Beijing is not loyal to either Moscow or the United States.
      Everything is right-eastern trick, subtle calculation, understand the stratagems. We are not Russians in China, we won’t shed their blood for others profusely. There is something to learn.
    43. +2
      17 October 2015 18: 28
      The good news is that the Chinese will no longer breed at the same pace as before. They already have more than half of the population living in cities, and not in rural areas. Fruit like cockroaches only in villages, those who live and work on the land, regardless of nationality
    44. +1
      17 October 2015 18: 36
      Quote: LetterKsi
      The good news is that the Chinese will no longer breed at the same pace as before. They already have more than half of the population living in cities, and not in rural areas. Fruit like cockroaches only in villages, those who live and work on the land, regardless of nationality
      I subscribe to every word. By the way, they themselves are very pleased.
    45. +2
      17 October 2015 18: 52
      And the dragon is already waking up ...
      "One of the motorized infantry regiments of the 39th Army of the Shenyang Military District of the PLA was alerted at the end of September, and after passing a rapid march towards the border with Russia, it was deployed in battle formation to conduct military exercises. Another exercise near the Russian borders was organized and conducted in early October, one of the air defense regiments of the Shenyang Military District Army 16. Based on the location of the units, the area of ​​the exercises, and also taking into account the operational designation of the Shenyang Military District, it is easy to assume that the northern neighbor was a likely enemy for the Celestial Empire's army.
      On the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the PRC, a note was published in which it was reported. Also, photographs of personnel and military equipment that were involved in the exercises were posted.
      An increase in China's military activity on the border with Russia has recently been noted by leading military analysts.
      Original message from the website of the Ministry of Defense of China:
      第 39 集团军 某团 在 陌生 复杂 地域 组织 红蓝 对抗
      9 月 25 日 , 第 39 集团军 某团 将 人员 和 装备 拉到 陌生 复杂 地域 , 组



      织 红蓝 对抗 , 在 实战 化 背景 条件 下 , 检验 部队 作战 能力。
      Translation:
      One of the regiments of the 39th army in an unfamiliar and difficult terrain organized a battle
      On September 25, the personnel and military equipment of one of the regiments of the 39th Army arrived in an unfamiliar rugged terrain. Battles were organized, the combat effectiveness of the troops was tested in a real battle. "
      1. 0
        17 October 2015 18: 55
        Here is a photo from the exercises.
        1. -1
          17 October 2015 18: 57
          Previously, the Soviet Union would have reacted accordingly, but now everything is fine, beautiful Marquise.
      2. +1
        17 October 2015 19: 17
        Wow, whole regiment, horror, horror !!! wassat
        We have recently in Eastern Siberia and the Far East held the Vostok 2014 exercise with the participation of 155 thousand servicemen. At the very borders of China. After the rapprochement with Beijing, I will remind you. We are not going to attack China otherwise.
        It’s just that any military district of any country in the world, even in the neighborhood of a reliable neighbor and ally, must conduct exercises and work out its tasks for the most unexpected case. It is strange that even we, supposedly not serving, know about this.
        1. -3
          17 October 2015 19: 58
          Well, maybe you served, but what's the point? Sometimes you need to turn on the brains. And do not listen to this zombie creator. We had half of the Ukrainians in the garrison, and now I listen from morning till night that they are Bandera, nationalists and enemies of Russia. Only I wanted to put on such propaganda. Same thing with China. Read, think, maybe something will come ...
          "Russian journalists and analysts criticize Putin's policy of merging the country with China. The latest news is the abolition of the visa regime with China, which will result in uncontrolled migration of Chinese settlers to the Far East and Siberia, which will lead to the separation of these territories from Russia.
          Putin instructed Medvedev to cancel visas for Chinese citizens
          The permanent president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, instructed the government of Dmitry Medvedev to submit proposals by October 30 for visa-free entry into the Russian Federation of citizens of Brazil, China, India and South Africa - countries that are part of the BRICS together with Russia.
          The rapprochement between Putin’s Russian Federation and communist China began after the international community imposed economic sanctions on official Moscow, which was caused by the Russian armed invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Such a sharp change in the Kremlin’s foreign policy vector has criticized even the most consistent supporters of the Putin regime.
          As a well-known Russian journalist and editor-in-chief of the Moscow speaking radio station Sergei Dorenko said in June 2015, the Russian Federation cannot have equal cooperation with China, since the entire Russian economy is equal to no more than two or three Chinese provinces.
          "And in 50 years we will be one Chinese province. Or maybe half a Chinese province. In terms of economy. They are developing, but we are not, this is the difference," the journalist stressed.
          He considers the decision to provide Chinese agricultural producers with 115 thousand hectares of Transbaikal lands on a lease for a period of 49 years "a crime", "outrageous trade in Russia."
          According to the journalist, Transbaikalia thus runs the risk of repeating the fate of the once Russian Alaska, the rights to which were assigned to another state with the wording "unable to defend and develop."
          The Russian-speaking population of those territories of the Far East of Russia that will move away to China - and Dorenko has no doubt about the inevitability of this process - will be forced to completely assimilate.
          According to the political analyst of the Institute for Euro-Atlantic Cooperation, Vladimir Gorbach, the Russian state is betting primarily on economic cooperation with China, in particular, on "the development by the Chinese of Russian natural resources in Siberia and the Far East."
          "This is the aim of the negotiations on the construction of new oil and gas pipelines and a certain migration of Chinese labor resources to the north," the expert added. As Gorbach predicts, this trend will continue, since "both sides are interested in this, Russia cannot develop its natural resources on its own."
          Gorbach also assessed the secession of Russian territories inhabited by Chinese settlers as a real threat. "The Russians themselves have been talking about this for years, there is such a threat. But this can happen only at the moment when the Russian statehood as such collapses," he stressed.
          1. +1
            18 October 2015 05: 44
            Laughing (hi from Sakhalin). Dorenko since when did he become an authority in any field? I think this character has mental problems.
      3. 0
        17 October 2015 21: 21
        I’m embarrassed to ask, but in the Far Eastern Military District, exercises larger than BTU are not conducted? Where else to train units and formations if not on the territory of their HE?
      4. 0
        18 October 2015 20: 53
        A few years ago, China conducted offensive exercises to a depth of 2000 km. in winter conditions. These teachings can only be directed against Russia.

        China is now watching Russia throwing in Ukraine, in Syria, soon in Central Asia. He is clearly not going to, in the event of an aggravation of the situation in Russia, miss Siberia in favor of the States. In this situation, he plans to occupy these territories first, without waiting for anyone else to arrive there.
    46. SIT
      0
      17 October 2015 19: 13
      The Chinese are cunning about the lack of interests in Syria; they understand perfectly well that if Syria and Iran fall, Central Asia flames up, and if you remove the Russian 201 military base from there, then the Islamic caliphate will flood into Chinese Xianjiang, where Muslim Uigurs live. The clashes there are ongoing. More than a thousand were killed. It is headed by the entire Islamic Party of East Turkestan, with the goal of establishing Islam in all of China.
    47. yan 2015
      +1
      17 October 2015 19: 47
      China wants to have allies ... but not to be ... just have ... and nothing personal.)
    48. GDV
      +1
      17 October 2015 19: 56
      What to guess will help will not help, will be above the battle or will lend a helping hand, one must be self-sufficient, the fatherland has two allies army and navy. There will be a fight there and we'll see.

      It is foolish to hope for someone in this life, beside the Lord God, we Russians are strong with God. Do not forget this.
    49. 0
      17 October 2015 20: 50
      The victory of the Slavs over China and the Creation of the World 7500 years ago
    50. +1
      17 October 2015 22: 04
      China will enter the war))) For the last 25 years, I don’t remember this. China is now busy with its territorial claims, this is the second time. Secondly, China is waiting for how it will all end — it's two. China will act for sure, that is, when it brings it good luck
    51. +1
      17 October 2015 22: 35
      "Peaceful" Chinese dragon
      wink
    52. 0
      18 October 2015 03: 02
      Quote: Grave without Cross
      Well, you may have served, but what's the point? Sometimes you need to turn on your brain. Don't listen to this zombie guy. Half of our garrison over there were Ukrainians, and now I listen from morning to evening that they are Banderaites, nationalists and enemies of Russia. Only I wanted to put money on such propaganda

      Oh, so this is all the zombie box and Putin’s propaganda?! Surkov and Kiselev. But in fact, there is no fascism in Ukraine))) There is no Russophobia in Ukraine. Their holiday of Defender of the Fatherland is no longer on the day of remembrance of the UPA. Russian people are not killed in Ukraine. Veterans are not insulted. You served with the Ukrainians and now you know for sure that they cannot be Russophobes and Nazis. Well, well))) Many of those who served in the SA had half of their company from the union republics of Central Asia, the Caucasus and Transcaucasia. We were friends. We corresponded later. But this does not negate what happened later, after the collapse of the Union. When yesterday's neighbors suddenly burst into tears with the bacillus of nationalism and began shouting: “suitcase, station, Russia, occupiers!” I don’t know what Putin’s propaganda is about, I don’t watch zombies at all, but I constantly communicate with ordinary Ukrainians and see that Ukrainian Nazism is not only Yarosh and Westerners, it is now also ordinary Ukrainians. Therefore, there is no need to tell me here that there is no fascism and Russophobia in Ukraine. You better continue to pour in fairy tales about the coming Chinese aggression. At least this is fun to read.

      As the famous Russian journalist, editor-in-chief of the Govorit Moskva radio station Sergei Dorenko said in June 2015

      Sergei Dorenko is known among journalists as that same, sorry, walking woman. Today he proves one thing, tomorrow it is completely opposite.

      On
      according to a political analyst at the Institute for Euro-Atlantic Cooperation

      I didn't even read further. EURO-ATLANTIC cooperation, do you know what these words mean? These are pro-Western liberals, promoters of American interests. You should have dragged Baba Leroux here from Albats.

      As for the training of an entire regiment in the Shenyang Military Region, answer me, don’t the Chinese have the right to conduct training of their units on their territory? Or is this now evidence of their hostility? In my opinion, any army must strengthen its combat capability. For the last two years we have been having large-scale exercises in all military districts, are we also going to attack? to all neighbors at once))))
    53. 0
      18 October 2015 05: 52
      soldier It’s scary to even think what awaits us in the future!
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    56. 0
      21 October 2015 09: 54
      Quote: tot843
      So it will be. I have commented on articles about the Russian-Chinese alliance more than once and spend one thought, you should not dwell on China! For the national interests of the Russian Federation, at the moment we need partnership with China in the political and economic spheres against the Anglo-Saxons. But we must not forget and about balances in the form of Vietnam and India. In short, the interests of the Russian nation and state for the head of the Russian Federation should be above all! As Stalin did.
      This is in brief.

      Sometimes some commentators, after reading similar articles about the interaction of former Soviet countries with Western or Eastern “partners”, begin to attach labels allegedly about “betrayal of friendship”, “you can’t sit on two chairs, you’ll tear your ass” and even much ruder. And these commentators “forget” that we are now not one country, everything, it has been gone for more than 20 years, “wasted the country” both with the help of Western “partners” and with our own (people’s) connivance. And since we are now different countries, that is, different “families,” then each “family” must earn its own “daily bread,” live in its own home, with its own destiny. As the proverb and your president say: “friendship is friendship, but tobacco is apart.” And even though you’re bursting with nostalgia, this is a fact, and every year this fact gets stronger. And if our and your government ignored the strategy of protecting, first of all, its own national interests, and only then the interests of our “comrades,” then it would be worse. But sometimes you have to react unambiguously, either “yes, you’re right, I’m with you” or “no, you’re wrong, figure it out yourself.”
      However, what is happening with Ukraine is not suitable in this case, since on this “wave” the active part of the people was really simply brainwashed, replacing basic (native) concepts with dreams of the West, the other part is simply passive. And of course, washing is not the main condition that will lead the country to the current not so happy result.
      Please take into account that countries will interact based on their own national interests, unless of course it is a satellite of the United States, when discussing the following topics: our friend (choose a country) will not betray us, he will cover us if we (choose a country) give us an eye or do something even worse and so on. This is not a summary. Sincerely.

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