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Peaceful Chinese dragon

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Experts cite the statement made by the representative of China at a meeting of the UN Security Council. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that the world should respect the independence of Syria and its territorial integrity. These words gave some analysts a reason to talk about a “small” world war, to which China’s intervention in the Syrian conflict would lead. Other experts criticized the Russian-Chinese strategic alliance, questioning the "inviolability" of Beijing's loyalty. So what to expect from the Celestial?


As reported by 13 in October, the Chinese Agency Xinhua, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi met with Syria’s political and media affairs adviser, Buseina Shaaban.

According to Comrade Wang Yi, Beijing advocates respect for the basic principles of international relations and opposes constant interference in the internal affairs of other countries. The decision on the fate of Syria should be taken by the Syrian people, said the Chinese diplomat.

On the same day, October 13, the English site of the Azerbaijani agency News Trend quoted Wang Yi’s statement at the meeting of the UN Security Council concerning Syria.

According to the Chinese diplomat, the world should respect the sovereignty of Syria, its independence and territorial integrity. Speaking at a meeting of the UN Security Council, Wang Yi said: "China has no personal interest in the Middle East, and therefore is ready to play a constructive role" ("... China is ready to play a constructive role").

According to him, the world must take control of the humanitarian crisis in Syria and "promote the peace process."

Thus, from the statements of the diplomatic circles of China it is impossible to draw any conclusions about the desire of the PRC to “get involved” in the Syrian conflict and to arrange a new “world war”.

However, the same Trend cites the opinion of Mehmet Fatih Oztars, Vice-President of the Turkish Strategic Outlook Analytical Center of the Turkish Strategic Outlook Center.

He told Trend that China’s intervention in the Syrian conflict could lead to a small world war.

According to the analyst, the interests of many countries are intertwined in Syria. Someone supports President Bashar Assad, and someone supports terrorist organizations. Different "interests" of all the "parties involved" will completely change the regional boundaries, the expert believes. He also allows the creation of "new small states" that will gain control "over energy resources."

But, let me add, is China really going to support someone in the conflict in Syria? Assad? Not. Maybe terrorists? Or “moderate oppositionists,” as the US does? Not. Recall the words of a diplomat: "China has no personal interest in the Middle East ..."

Journalist "Independent newspaper" Vladimir Skosyrev writes: “The fiercer the war in Syria, the more China follows the parable of the monkey watching the tigers fight from the mountain. Beijing, the strategic partner of the Russian Federation, is not going to support it in this conflict. ”

The journalist also considered the speech of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China Wang Yi at a meeting of the UN Security Council. After quoting the fragment, the reporter asked himself a question: “But what exactly is the head of Chinese diplomacy thinking about the Russian military intervention in Syria, which has become almost the main topic of comments in the world media?” And he answered: “It’s not clear from a speech.” But Western leaders, beginning with Obama, blame Moscow for expanding its intervention in the Syrian conflict. And what is China? The dragon is silent.

“However, the Xinhua news agency, the official mouthpiece of Beijing, regularly sets out statements by representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry about the raids of our pilots and targets hit. Outlines, but refrains from commenting. This position recalls the famous Chinese parable about the wise monkey, which is watching the tigers fight from the mountain. ”


Meanwhile, other foreign analysts questioned the strength of the Russian-Chinese strategic partnership.

The site Eurasia Review An article was published by Ph.D. Subhash Kapila, an Indian analyst who graduated from the British Royal Military Academy in Camberley and served for a long time in the Indian army and later worked in the office of the Cabinet of Ministers and in diplomatic posts in Bhutan, Japan, South Korea and the United States.

In his opinion, Beijing’s “unpredictability” hinders the Russian-Chinese strategic alliance. The expert is convinced that the desire of the Celestial Empire is obvious: to become “the next global superpower”. Such a goal goes against Russian and American strategic interests.

Beijing is not loyal to either Moscow or the United States. Historical examples are known to everyone: even over the past few decades, the PRC has moved from a strategic proximity to the United States to an equal proximity to Russia. China "was never completely loyal" even to its former "ideological mentor and strategic patron" - the Soviet Union.

Russian-Chinese partnership - this is just so-called. a multi-year strategic agreement that emerged at the end of the 1990 era, which replaced the Cold War times.

The analyst does not consider such a partnership "strategic." This is only a reaction to the "rampant manifestations" of the strategic dominance of the United States in the past two decades.

The expert shows a lot of contradictions in the international politics of Russia and China.

Russia and China have different views on Japan. China regards Japan as an “irreconcilable enemy”: Beijing is attributed to historical experience and fears associated with a reappraisal of military priorities and defense philosophy by Japan.

Russia, despite the well-known territorial dispute with Japan over the islands, on the contrary, is seeking to establish good political and economic relations with Tokyo.

Another regional factor by which China and Russia differ is Vietnam. Russia has long been a strategic partner of Vietnam and had an ideological connection with it. Today, Russia has received a contract for the supply of six submarines to Vietnam, as well as missiles, combat aircraft and anti-ship missiles (anti-ship missiles). Russia is interested in seeing Vietnam “drop out” of the partnership with the United States.

China, which “aggressively balances on the brink of war and military aggression against Vietnam because of disputes in the South China Sea,” marks Vietnam as an “enemy”, despite its ideological proximity. China continues to escalate the conflict and ignores international norms and conventions, the expert said. Such unfriendly actions against China have aroused in the Vietnamese "strong anti-Chinese sentiment."

Now directly about China.

According to Subhash Kapila, Russia perceives China as a “long-term strategic threat,” especially in relation to the security and integrity of its Far Eastern regions, which “China licks” (there are already thousands of illegal Chinese immigrants, ”the author writes).

As for the Middle East, this region is the "decisive basis of Russian national security interests." And here, China, in addition to "rhetorical support of Russia in Syria," did not do anything substantial. The only thing is joint Russian-Chinese naval exercises in the Eastern Mediterranean this year.

In his previous articles, the Indian raised the topic of a possible reaction of Russia and China to engaging a bear or a dragon with the United States “in direct confrontation”. What will happen in this case? How will Moscow or Beijing behave if one of them turns out to be an opponent of Washington? The expert’s answer was this (and it has not changed now): neither Russia nor China will go “beyond rhetorical support”.

Finally, in Russia itself, according to analysts, there is a “strong opposition” opposing a strategic alliance with China. The argument of opponents of rapprochement with the Middle Kingdom is clear: the delivery of a colossal amount of energy resources to China and the sale of arms to it will strengthen its military potential. The latter, in turn, will greatly complicate Russia's relations with its friends (for example, Vietnam). Moreover, “one day” China can include Russia itself in the list of military enemies. Finally, doing business with a partner like China, Russia will weaken its strategic position and spoil its image.

Peaceful Chinese dragon


Thus, we will add in conclusion that foreign experts believe that Russia and China cannot have a strategic partnership, and even a limited alliance with the “dragon” can damage Moscow in strategic terms.

In addition, experts believe that in the event of a conflict between the US and Russia, the Chinese “dragon” will simply watch the dispute, confining itself to the same rhetoric. In turn, the Russians will not go to war for the Chinese brothers.

Also, experts doubt that the PRC will take any part in the campaign in the Middle East, except for the "rhetorical". The PRC has no “personal” interest in this region, official representatives of the Middle Kingdom say.

Bottom line: alarmists, leading the talk about the coming "small" world war, which will begin with the actions of China in Syria, in vain shake the air.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. alekc73
    alekc73 17 October 2015 06: 30 New
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    China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). "Soyuznichnik" is the same.
    1. brelok
      brelok 17 October 2015 06: 39 New
      +9
      Quote: alekc73
      China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). "Soyuznichnik" is the same.

      And it will go into disrepair as it has been more than once! The status must be maintained by all means, including military.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 October 2015 09: 56 New
        +5
        China has a different status - economic.
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 17 October 2015 06: 41 New
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      Quote: alekc73
      China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). "Soyuznichnik" is the same.

      And yet, China provides serious political support to Russia, and without it it would be very difficult for us ... And as for the war, as they say, "it’s better to keep the enemy close .."
      1. Kostyar
        Kostyar 17 October 2015 06: 54 New
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        And yet, China provides serious political support to Russia, and without it it would be very difficult for us ... And as for the war, as they say, "it’s better to keep the enemy close .."

        China provides support as much as necessary! For the most part, refraining from any action, limiting ourselves only to abstract comments ....
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 17 October 2015 08: 41 New
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          It’s time to get used to the fact that everything that does not correspond to the stereotypes of American and Western politicians causes them to break the patterns and panic. They simply cannot imagine that 20 years after their “victory” over the USSR, countries with their own interests in foreign and domestic politics may appear in the World, and that for such countries friendships are not an empty phrase.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 17 October 2015 14: 27 New
            +2
            Analiteg indus s britanskim obrazovaniem ... Sam sebe dokazyvaet, cto Rossija i Kitaj vot-vot nacnut vojnu mezdu soboj ... Ozvucivaet svoi i svoih gospod sokrovennye mecty .... U indusov est rabskaja zilka (sindrom zaloznik bud svoin rabovladelcam (anglosaksam) ese ne odin vek, po hodu ...
            1. dali
              dali 17 October 2015 19: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: Karlovar
              Analiteg indus s britanskim obrazovaniem ... Sam sebe dokazyvaet, cto Rossija i Kitaj vot-vot nacnut vojnu mezdu soboj ... Ozvucivaet svoi i svoih gospod sokrovennye mecty .... U indusov est rabskaja zilka (sindrom zaloznik bud svoin rabovladelcam (anglosaksam) ese ne odin vek, po hodu ...

              There is a great deal of truth in this ... whoever traveled to India and saw how they were being fawned before the English, he knows ...
      2. Altona
        Altona 17 October 2015 12: 05 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        And yet, China provides serious political support to Russia, and without it it would be very difficult for us ... And as for the war, as they say, "it’s better to keep the enemy close .."

        ----------------------------
        It’s hard to say about the military and political component, after all, the main interest is to curb US global dominance ... And in the economy, joint ventures, which were previously supposed with the Germans, are already underway quite rapidly ... A lot of cooperation is supposed from banking creating an analogue of SWIFT before international banking ... And in this area, anyway, we will be together to prevent the Western monopoly on international finance ...
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 17 October 2015 14: 33 New
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          Ekonomiceskij front v sovremennyh realijah-glavnyj! Analog SWIFT oni na dnjah zapustili, na oceredi zapusk neftjanoj Schanhajskoj birzi ...
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 17 October 2015 10: 22 New
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      I also agree with the view that China is more interesting for Russia as an economic ally that will help bring down the dollar and convert trade exclusively to gold or rubles, selling them oil and gas than the military. Since, militarily, China, firstly, doesn’t buy military equipment for billions and millions, like India and other countries, but takes small batches and copies, and then even sells its version competing, and secondly, as the article described how to fight properly he will not be for Russia, and they have no experience, perhaps even the spirit, given how little Japan at 39m defeated all their rabble of rice peasants. So there is no military ally in the person of China, too cowardly.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 17 October 2015 14: 46 New
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        Pered 1939 godom anglosaksy 90 let pickali Kitaj opiem, k 1939 godu Kitaj uze lezal v ruinah, blagodarja intervencijam Britanii, USA, Germanii, Francii, Japonii, Rossii, nepreryvnym vosstanijam, revolucijam, grazdanskoj vojezniczduzmajenzmenjduzmenju , armii ne bylo ... Kak i cem oni mogli protivostojat japonskoj voennoj maschine ????
    4. igorka357
      igorka357 17 October 2015 11: 41 New
      +4
      Yes, yes .. already a millennium, a wise Chinese monkey sits on a branch, looks at the fighters and waits for its benefit .. sometimes receiving from everyone ... ridiculous of course, but the story is proof of that .. and their great treatise even didn’t help them ..!
    5. wk
      wk 17 October 2015 14: 43 New
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      Quote: alekc73
      China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). "Soyuznichnik" is the same.

      yeah over the fight ..... as in the Second World War .... they eat their japs! and all their ostentatious Chinese arrogance will leave the faces of their severed heads!
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    7. tot843
      tot843 17 October 2015 20: 23 New
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      So it will be. I have commented on articles about the Russian-Chinese alliance more than once and spend one thought, you should not dwell on China! For the national interests of the Russian Federation, at the moment we need partnership with China in the political and economic spheres against the Anglo-Saxons. But we must not forget and about balances in the form of Vietnam and India. In short, the interests of the Russian nation and state for the head of the Russian Federation should be above all! As Stalin did.
      This is in brief.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 October 2015 06: 37 New
    +8
    “One day”, China may include Russia itself in the list of military enemies
    - which actually was ... an interesting article, there is something to think about. Oleg -PSPS! hi
    1. Djubal
      Djubal 17 October 2015 07: 54 New
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      I believe that a war with China is impossible in principle, because no one will wage war with China with conventional weapons. And China does not have effective protection against the nuclear component, including cruise and ballistic missiles. And with their population density, getting a nuclear response means getting absolutely unacceptable damage. China can undoubtedly wage war of conquest, but not by military means, but simply by settling in territories intended for capture with a touch of pacified physiognomy, developing a business, taking root and, well, multiplying naturally)).
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 17 October 2015 10: 32 New
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        Quote: Djubal
        I believe that a war with China is impossible in principle, because no one will wage war with China with conventional weapons.

        Of course, with the total corruption of Russian officials, it is not necessary
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 17 October 2015 12: 42 New
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          Quote: Mera Joota
          with the total corruption of Russian officials, it is not necessary
          Why, indeed, attack Russia, if our officials themselves can sell, partially or fully, some enterprises, lease vast lands for an indefinite period ... Finally, where will all these optimists be in friendship with China, if on lands populated by the Chinese , on the labor migrants settled in Russia from the Middle Kingdom, events similar to Kosovo will begin? What, will we use nuclear weapons? In addition, remembering Damansky, it is not a fact that any border conflict will lead to a nuclear war, which, by the way, China, unlike modern Russia, has long been preparing for, and has not considered it something beyond and impossible for a long time. Therefore, cooperation, of course, is necessary, but naivety is to hope for such an ally, and even more so, to consider him a close friend. The Chinese, as soon as they become stronger than Russia, will quickly stop smiling at us, and their requests will be replaced by demands, and demands may well become an ultimatum, it is enough to simply become economically or financially dependent on them.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 06 New
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            V nacale 20 veka v Rossii toze silno mussirovalas jakoby kitajskaja ugroza kak element informacionnoj vojny .... Odnako v 1904-1905 Rossija poterpela porazenie ot ...... Japonii ... Neozidanno, da ???
          2. Suhow
            Suhow 17 October 2015 21: 08 New
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            hope for a friend, but don’t flatter yourself. So are the relations of the Russian Federation with the allies.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 17 October 2015 14: 59 New
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        1000 let nazad kitajcev bylo 200 miljonov .... 70 let nazad-500 miljonov .... Segodnja-1,5 miljarda .......... Vyvod-za 930 let naselenie pribavilo 150% .... , a za 70 let-200% !!!!!! Posle vtoroj mirovoj, v ocen tjazoloe vremja naselenie Kitaja roslo v 17-18 raz bystree !!!!!! Kitay tak gotovilsja k vozmoznoj jadernoj vojne, ne imeja sam v tot moment jadernogo oruzija ... Cem bolsche naroda-tem bolsche sansov u nacii vyzit v armageddone ....
      3. Gost171
        Gost171 18 October 2015 02: 47 New
        +1
        And with what weapons did the Japanese occupy China? Or were there MUCH fewer Chinese then? Maybe something depends on motivation?
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  3. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 17 October 2015 06: 42 New
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    For a strong friendship with China, you need to have reliable intelligence there, aware of plans and thoughts! And then the "chill" on the back still persists.
  4. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 17 October 2015 06: 47 New
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    I wanted to find out from the cons - do you really believe in the Russia-China strategic alliance? In this case, you are either naive or stupid. China, like any other country, pursues only its interests (Russia is an exception. In our history, we often, even to the detriment of ourselves, helped “friends”, but thanks from “friends”, as a rule, were not long in coming). China can be closer to neutral to support Russia only on issues that do not contradict the vital interests of China, and that is the only way.
    To be friends with China is of course necessary, but very carefully.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 17 October 2015 07: 47 New
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      You have a curious manner of discussion: whoever disagrees with you is either naive or stupid. You, by your logic, are wise by both worldly and geopolitical experience.
      Funny.

      The strategic alliance between Russia and China suggests itself. He, moreover, already had a place to be before certain historical events. And given these events, the whole context of relations between the USSR and China, we can only clearly understand the modern dynamics of the development of relations between Russia and China. Moreover, one can only be surprised at how fast the positive shifts in our relations turned out to be, even taking into account the logic of modern events in the world, which is simply pushing our two countries towards a strategic alliance.

      Be that as it may, the strategic partnership is already there. The legally formed alliance is now simply harmful for both parties in terms of the effectiveness of our countries' actions in international politics. Just because China and Russia at the moment are actively working on their global interests at different sites, which do not require an alliance in itself, which would trigger an automatically predicted hysterical reaction of the West, and not only it.
      Where our interests intersect, we work within the framework of such blocs and associations as the same SCO.
      Meanwhile, with the inevitable increase in antagonism between the West and Russia, as well as the West and China, a closer and more structured alliance is equally inevitable, which will designate the sphere of common protected interests that are already beginning to manifest themselves.
      And the scarecrows of the liberal-schizoid part of our 5 column on China’s expansionist secret plans are nothing more than a program coordinated with the curators to inject a destructive discourse into the public environment for relations with China.

      But those who support this discourse on any and all discussion and other platforms are obviously either conscious secondary sources of this discourse, or a truly naive tool for these sources.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 17 October 2015 08: 48 New
        +6
        Quote: Generalissimus
        You have a curious manner of discussion: whoever disagrees with you is either naive or stupid. You, by your logic, are wise by both worldly and geopolitical experience. It's funny

        Perhaps you're right, funny. Unlike many, I write only based on previously studied, preferably from several sources. In the 2010s, given the prevailing political situation, he became interested in the history of Russian-Chinese relations and read several works (I recommend reading No. 1 and No. 2 for reading):
        1. Popov I.M. "Russia and China 300 years on the brink of war)
        2. Lukin A.V. "CHINA. The bear is watching the dragon" (the most respected Sinologist, formerly an employee of the USSR Embassy in Beijing)
        3. Popov A.P. "Political systems and regimes in China of the twentieth century" (as far as I know, not a relative of the previously mentioned I. Popov)
        4. Akihiro Iwashita "4000 kilometers of problems. The Russian-Chinese border" is a very interesting book, given the nationality of the author claims to be unbiased assessments (written quite neutrally on both sides, but rather tedious)
        Judge not lest ye be judged. I have the honor.
        1. Generalissimus
          Generalissimus 17 October 2015 09: 41 New
          +2
          I do not judge you at all, if you mean your position. You rely on some material that you consider exhaustive to draw your conclusions.
          Who is against it? I oppose you on the basis of my sources, and by the way, not only books, but also the opinions of people who have worked professionally and for many years in China, and it is with information and its analysis for government needs, let’s say.

          The books you propose already have a certain imperative in their names, although they are called by you as "different sources" - why be surprised that your conclusions are exactly the same as you presented them?

          And then, I already had the opportunity to make sure that many illustrious and authoritative authors, veterans of diplomacy and foreign intelligence, are often influenced in their work by their own ideas about good and evil. =)
          So you, in this case, voluntarily or involuntarily suggest me familiarize myself with the sources, which, even when looking at the names, make it possible to immediately evaluate the general vector of these materials.

          As for the one who is right, time will tell. Maybe life will offer us a completely unexpected option.
          1. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 17 October 2015 10: 04 New
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            Quote: Generalissimus
            with sources that, even when looking at the names, make it possible to immediately evaluate the general vector of these materials.

            Judging the content of books by their title is not entirely correct.
            By the way, one of the 2 recommended books (A. Lukin) was written from the perspective of the possibility and desirability of the Moscow-Beijing strategic alliance, to the peak of I. Popov’s work, and therefore recommended these two works as diametrically opposed, for those wishing to compare and analyze.
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 21 New
            0
            Vo vremja VOV Kitaj byl estestvennym geograficeski sojuznikom i tylom SSSR na vostoke ... Japoncy, zavjaznuv v Kitaje, byli lischeny vozmoznosti otkryt vtoroj front protiv SSSR ... Vystojal by SSSR na jap zapa (front) ??? Vopros spornyj ... Kak minimum-cena pobedy byla by inaja !!!!
        2. Eragon
          Eragon 17 October 2015 11: 30 New
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          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          In 2010's, given the prevailing political situation, he became interested in the history of Russian-Chinese relations and read several works

          Unfortunately, I do not own such thorough information as you. But they consider me a clever person and a good analyst. I offer my vision of the issue.
          We remove the United States from the brackets (the dollar collapsed, Yellowstone pulled, the Negroes staged a revolution), China is definitely entering the first roles in the world. A powerful economy, a lot of money, a huge army. And so the Chinese decided to "pick up" the "empty" Far East and Eastern Siberia. We do not consider a nuclear solution to the problem, because if it is implemented, there will be neither V. Siberia, nor the Far East, nor China, and in a couple of days. Moreover, all of Russia west of the Urals will remain virtually untouched.
          Well, the Chinese troops moved north. They get a "response", and disproportionate (compare the population density of D.V. and northern China). And Vladivostok, by the way, is better protected than Moscow.
          As a result of bloody battles, China captures the destroyed Transbaikalia, Amurskub region, Primorye, Sakhalin. Moving north is impossible - there are only a few roads that are tightly blocked by small forces. You will also be slightly overclocked to the West for the same reason - there, in fact, there is only one road. And what does China have in the end, besides tens of millions of dead, a badly damaged economy (an “answer” is inevitable) and trillion losses without the slightest possible compensation at least part? At the same time, 90 percent of the Russian economy is not affected, as well as 95% of human resources.
          Of course, I did not mention missiles with a non-nuclear warhead, the actions of fleets, missile defense, air defense, and much more. But the essence of the opinion, I hope, is clear hi
          1. marlin1203
            marlin1203 17 October 2015 23: 12 New
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            "Vladivostok, by the way, is better protected than Moscow."
            After these words, dear, you can no longer read and not take seriously. I don’t know who considers you to be a good analyst, but better not to judge the military component. soldier
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 12 New
        +1
        Absolutno so vsem soglasen !!!!
      3. marlin1203
        marlin1203 17 October 2015 23: 09 New
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        Yes, it’s just that in any alliance, each side still has its own interests. Why argue? "His shirt is closer to the body." Just for now, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." We must use this.
      4. mihai_md2003
        mihai_md2003 18 October 2015 03: 01 New
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        You can make friends as much as you like, and rightly so, but you need to keep the gunpowder dry, your gunpowder, and not hope that someone will fit in for you. It’s time to really pull up the economy and to rattle the arms for a long time with a one-sided developed economy still does not work out. Today’s rearmament of the Russian army is mainly spent on oil money. Tomorrow what are we going to upgrade to? If a conflict occurs, they will immediately chop off the sale of oil and gas to us!
        PS. He wrote like a year and a half ago that it took us a very long time to create new weapons, while Russia, in my opinion, is on the verge of a big schucher, and many wrote here
        -Yes, calm down, not so everything settles down badly, calm down. It does not seem gentlemen to calm down.
        Therefore, in addition I want to write, I need to modernize the economy and very quickly there will be no other chance.
    2. Vais
      Vais 17 October 2015 07: 55 New
      +8
      The strategic alliance is so characteristic that its members pursue exclusively their vital interests (both we and the Chinese). Another thing is that at this stage our interests coincide, which is what our alliance defines. When will you finally understand that political union and partnership is not friendship, nor fraternity, and not love for the grave. That is why our current alliance with China is reliable, because no one is building illusions in it, no water and lyrics, everything is pragmatic and adult.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 31 New
        +1
        Daze v bytu nastojasaja druzba-dovolno redkoe javlenie .... U zencin ee voobse ne mozet byt .... A mezdu stranani tem bolee.Tolko vzaimnye interesy! A pravitel objazan dumat o svoej strane, svoem narode! Neuzeli eto tak trudno ponjat ???
    3. dr.star75
      dr.star75 17 October 2015 07: 58 New
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      Of course, Russia is an altruist, sleeping and sees how to help the whole world, only we are the BIGGEST country in the world! All countries pursue only their interests, and Russia is no exception, and partners at different times are different, and can change to the opposite very quickly. Russia acts on the principle: with a gun and a kind word, it can do much more than just a kind word.
    4. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 09: 26 New
      -1
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      China, like any other country, pursues only its interests (Russia is an exception. In our history, we often, even to the detriment of ourselves, helped “friends”, but thanks from “friends” to


      To put it mildly, following your comment, we don’t look smart
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 17 October 2015 09: 44 New
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        Quote: afdjhbn67
        To put it mildly, following your comment, we don’t look smart

        It is not the presence or absence of the mind as such, but the presence of honor, conscience and responsibility.

        "You are always so trusting, Russia,
        What, right, it just takes a dumb
        .
        Since the time of Timur and Batu
        Evil forces tormented you
        And rudely humiliated your people. "

        It seemed: the goals are the best in the world:
        "Freedom, fraternity, equality of work!"
        But all the heroes are simple, like children,
        And this is their great misfortune.

        Eduard Asadov - Russia (everything is said in these lines)
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 09: 59 New
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          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          and in the presence of honor, conscience and responsibility.

          Politics - both honor and conscience? Where is such an abyss of naivety ?? Idealists in power, what could be worse, Dovlatov’s not bad is written about this - about cynics and idealists in power ..
          1. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 17 October 2015 10: 11 New
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            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Politics - both honor and conscience? Where is such an abyss of naivety ??

            And here is nivility, and far from tender age and “pink” views, but knowing the history of my country well, I assure you that very often our actions were dictated by these concepts. I do not say whether it is good or bad, I just state that it was so.
      2. anip
        anip 17 October 2015 14: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        China, like any other country, pursues only its own interests (Russia is an exception. In our history, we often, even to the detriment of ourselves, helped “friends”, but thanks from “friends”

        To put it mildly, following your comment, we don’t look smart

        And so it is. To whom only Russia does not help, to whom only Putin does not make discounts, to whom only does he not write off billions ... But only his people always and always owe and owe.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 15: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: anip
          And so it is. To whom only Russia does not help,


          so maybe call it honestly-stupidity, bordering on betrayal?
    5. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 09 New
      0
      Tolko tak !!! Daze v bytu tak i proishodit ... Est zamecatelnaja russkaja poslovica pro druzbu i tabacok ...
  5. slovak007
    slovak007 17 October 2015 06: 49 New
    +5
    The Chinese can say modern Tatar-Mongols with their cunning. As Vladimir Vladimirovich says, they are just partners, but not friends. Friends of Russia is only the army and navy.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 17 October 2015 08: 04 New
      -5
      ... utter stupidity: Mongolia was founded in 1920 - at least take a look at Wikia .. Mogolia (great), Ruthenia, Scythia, Tartaria (natives of Tartarus), Barbaras called "enlightened Europe" Russia, even though it itself is a product of the Slavs, though it was well inseminated by Arabs and Jews, which is basically the same thing ..., Tatar = Cossack is an equestrian warrior, not a nation or nationality .. Therefore, the proverb "an uninvited guest is worse than Tatarin, is just a comparison of a guest with tax collectors ..
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 17 October 2015 10: 00 New
        -4
        So far, they are minus this. But the truth will come out of the shadows and everything will turn into pluses. That's just the Arabs = Jews, I do not agree. According to genetic studies, Jews are relatives of Italians (well, or Italians are relatives of Jews), their difference in genomes is less than 10%, with all the others much more. About the genetics of the Arabs did not meet information.
  6. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 17 October 2015 06: 49 New
    +1
    The Chinese dragon sitting in its cave and indifferently watching the fire around its lands does not realize that when there is nothing to divide in the world, one exceptional nation will come for its skin.
    1. Vais
      Vais 17 October 2015 08: 27 New
      +4
      The poor dragon that does not do is always to blame))). Sits in his cave, so insidiously survives. Climbing into a fight, aggressively captures scenes of influence and territory. If the Chinese sent their military to the same Syria, this would certainly be perceived as evidence of the danger of China and its cunning. It resembles the perceptions of us Russians in Europe. What don’t do, you will still see the insidious machinations of the Bear.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 34 New
        0
        Horoso i dohodcivo skazali!
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  7. Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon 17 October 2015 06: 50 New
    +1
    There is one more contradiction! These are oil prices! China is profitable for low prices, respectively, on the contrary.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 39 New
      +1
      Kitaju nevygodna dostupnaja dlja Evropy kontrabandnaja neft iz Livii, Iraka, Sirii po 20 ..., kogda sam pokupajet po 50 ....
  8. them
    them 17 October 2015 06: 59 New
    +7
    In the Chinese army, they say at "political activities" that we are fighting back against NATO imperialists "back to back with Russia." newspapers ”Vladimir Skosyrev, whom the author quotes, who is this? A very curious style of raising the question of“ Russian intervention. ”It is not serious to draw any conclusions referring to such sources.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 41 New
      +1
      A ved pravda, v statje napisano-rossijskaja intervencija! Spalilsja aftar!
  9. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 17 October 2015 07: 01 New
    +7
    It seems to me - China needs a brother like the Russian Federation. The Americans are unhappy --- Spartley Islands.
    The Chinese leadership sets the population in friendly rhetoric towards the Russian Federation. Which means a lot, in my opinion. Compare how some other countries cultivate frenzied hatred of Russia. Already this is +++.
    The Chinese are cunning, but ours are attentive.
  10. Grbear
    Grbear 17 October 2015 07: 01 New
    +6
    The dragon will remain a dragon.
    The little dragon sits and cries:
    - why are you crying?
    - I feel sorry for mom ...
    - what with her?
    - I ate her ....
    - What about dad?
    - I and his eater ...
    - Do you know who you are after that ???
    - Know-ah ... Round orphan ... hi
  11. MolGro
    MolGro 17 October 2015 07: 01 New
    +5
    There will never be an alliance between Russia and China; it is not beneficial to both sides.
    But good neighborly relations and common interests are quite possible!
    If you look at the geopolitical map of the development of China, we will see an island where almost all the population and industry are concentrated!
    Further, from the logic of the island's development, the first step of expansion is Taiwan, the second south.
    North is not even considered!
    The same can be said about the geopolitical map of Russia
    the natural boundaries of development are mountains, we can observe the same thing in the eastern part of Russia; the only restriction there is the desert / steppe and mountains that are clearly visible on the geopolitical map of China, into which Russia has already rested and will not be able to grow further east even if it wants to!
    That is, looking at the maps, we can say for sure that our development paths and interests with China are not moving towards each other and that means there are no conflicts over spheres of influence in the region!
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 17 October 2015 09: 42 New
      +2
      That's right, thanks for the clear picture. I’ll try to clarify a bit: they wrote for a long time that most of the border between us is an impenetrable territory, and like the Wehrmacht, it’s dashing to drive it in tanks. Yes, there are open areas, but they are blocked by a nuclear belt. And finally, 80% of the Chinese live in the channel of 2 rivers, and if at the source I have baboons? Do they need it? They orientated correctly, and began to dump the islands in the south of the Chinese Sea. By the way, the Americans decided to transfer their charm of the tour.
      1. MolGro
        MolGro 17 October 2015 14: 22 New
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        It can be added that those 2 rivers are locked by the Three Gorges Dam and if that will wash away all of industrial China from the destruction of this dam!
  12. Mirrorfax
    Mirrorfax 17 October 2015 07: 02 New
    +3
    I liked the article, there is something to think about. East is a delicate matter. Stalin called the Chinese a radish. Top red, white inside. Of course, I am not against friendly relations with China, but I would hardly begin to talk about military partnership. They are too changeable. Today, friends, and tomorrow hell knows who ...
    The tricks are over the edge. Not everything is so clear in our relationship. The article is plus, I agree with the thoughts of the author.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 17 October 2015 19: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Mirrorfax
      Stalin called the Chinese radish


      He quoted his beloved Mayakovsky as saying:

      An intellectual does not like risk.
      And red in moderation - like a radish.
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  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 October 2015 07: 09 New
    +6
    China’s intervention in the Syrian conflict could lead to a “small” world war.

    Mehmet Fatih Oztars is trying to scare the public. There can be no "small" world war in nature. If a world war has begun, then it will be world war with all the ensuing consequences. Of course, Turkey really does not want and is afraid of the possible interference of China in Syria. In this situation, I personally am inclined to believe that China will support us morally and diplomatically, observing events from the outside. But in our world, the situation can change very quickly, so it is not known what will happen in a month or six months.
    1. them
      them 17 October 2015 07: 26 New
      -1
      The Turks would be better to be more careful with their statements about some downed planes there. So you can play too much! And then they will be a small world by most I do not want!
      1. ver_
        ver_ 17 October 2015 08: 09 New
        +1
        ... The Vatican will also leave Constantinople for us - it was founded by Ivan Kalita ..
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 43 New
      0
      Eto strahi turkov ....
  14. Nymp
    Nymp 17 October 2015 07: 10 New
    +2
    Western experts, as always, stick their nose out of their business. We somehow dispense with the opinion of Western wiseacres! In the context of the information and sanctions war that they unleashed against Russia, we need allies. In addition, their experts are inclined to wishful thinking. And how much a strong affiliate we have is not their business!
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 46 New
      0
      Na sosednej vetke indus s britanskim obrazovaniem i, po hodu, poddanstvom izgoljaetsja, vydavaja zelaemoe za dejstvitelnoe ...
  15. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 17 October 2015 07: 14 New
    +3
    Author on many issues of rights. The strategic partnership between Russia and China is temporary, China has its own road. While we are united by the desire to rid the world of US influence, but what will happen next? Sooner or later, China will become the No. 1 power in all respects and its ambitions will only grow, the government will spoil it ... it has always been that way in the future, therefore we must be friends but also plan for the future so that this “friendship” does not go into harm to Russia. Take, for example, our military-technical cooperation, we all know how new equipment appears in China :) not only does he copy everything he can reach, he also drives us out of the market with his products, and the fact that our weapons are better than a special role for it doesn’t play often, here economic factors come in: a lower price and a strong economy of the Celestial Empire ... there is also a separate topic about the CIS space, China invests a lot of money in our partners and this poses a threat to the economy and political influence of Russia. So it is necessary to be friends with China but carefully, and limit its influence on those areas where it can harm us.
  16. Tusv
    Tusv 17 October 2015 07: 36 New
    +1
    "Experts" profitable to twist.
    Simple question. What is better 67 percent Western support for Syria or Chinese politics do not interfere?
  17. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 October 2015 07: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: alekc73
    China will be above the battle. It will not help anyone. It will profit from both Russia and the United States (the West). "Soyuznichnik" is the same.


    I plusan you, man. Pay attention - The Chinese have never been aggressive, sometimes at their own expense. It’s time for us (humanity) to fly to Mars, cooperate, and then some teenagers (America) muddied the water. Let's grow up already, miserable exclusively ...
  18. BLOND
    BLOND 17 October 2015 07: 51 New
    +5
    The article is controversial (to put it mildly)
    The author hates the rapprochement between Russia and China. The principle of divide and conquer goes between the lines ...
    The USA has "partners" ...? Does China mean no friends to us? So your way? Dear columnist and commentator Oleg Chuvakin ...
  19. Masya masya
    Masya masya 17 October 2015 08: 00 New
    +3
    The times "Russian, Chinese brothers forever" have passed. Now only mutually beneficial interests ...
  20. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 17 October 2015 08: 00 New
    +2
    It seems like the Russian Aerospace Forces are doing pretty well in Syria. I have not heard about the increase in the contingent lately. So why should China get in there? From the number of participating countries, efficiency does not change much. A live example is before our eyes: a coalition from 60 countries, we look at its annual efficiency and scratch the back of its head.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 48 New
      0
      Pravilnyj vopros !!!
  21. sa-ag
    sa-ag 17 October 2015 08: 03 New
    +2
    Where did you see it in your friends' politics, is politics a constant bargaining?
  22. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 08: 18 New
    +3
    When Western or pro-Western media begin to broadcast to us about China’s hostility to Russia (and recently such statements from the lips of our opposition and liberals have clearly become more frequent), then I always remember the phrase “look for someone who benefits.” I give a grudge that at the same time in China the pro-Western liberalism there is also trying to inspire everyone about the insidious northern country, which is just waiting for a reason to hit the celestial in the back.
    As for friendship, the Great Powers do not know how to be friends, no matter how much they would like to. Brotherhood, friendship, love, this is all the lyrics characteristic of people, but not of states. States should build their relations on the basis of mutually beneficial partnership and taking into account each other's interests. Such pragmatic relationships are more reliable than those built on emotional attachment. In this regard, China is a reliable partner without tricks, and this is enough. This is a good business relationship, do not fly here friendship and fraternity.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 17 October 2015 08: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Vais
      As for friendship, the Great Powers do not know how to be friends, no matter how much they would like to.

      Take a trip to China. Surprisingly. You won’t get lost in Shanghai - they will prompt the road to the hotel and scratch your turnips: "Did I understand in Chinese?" The Chinese do not want to be friends with us - they are already friends
      1. Vais
        Vais 17 October 2015 08: 40 New
        +5
        I have been there many times. There are many friends there, and they will remain my friends, regardless of the political situation. I respect the people there, there is a reason. People, unlike states, can be friends, love, and be brothers. That's why they are people.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 50 New
      0
      Pod kazdym Vaschim slovom podpisyvajus ...
  23. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 17 October 2015 08: 55 New
    +3
    In my opinion, China is with Us in Syria! soldier
  24. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 08: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    For a strong friendship with China, you need to have reliable intelligence there, aware of plans and thoughts! And then the "chill" on the back still persists.

    You speak directly like a European about Russia. They are also generally not against friendship with us, but still the cold weather persists. This country in the East is painfully big and mysterious. This is they about Russia.
  25. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 October 2015 09: 29 New
    0
    A large, mysterious and cold country in the north. This is Russia in the understanding of China. Which in an incomprehensible way has not lost either its competencies or technology in many areas, especially in military-technical ones.
  26. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 17 October 2015 09: 57 New
    +1
    My neighbor, an entrepreneur with a joint business with the Chinese, says - learn Chinese. Sooner or later, speaking it will still have to. From my point of view, the union of the strong features of each of the peoples would be ideal. Something like Chinese industriousness and discipline and Russian soulfulness. This of course is maximally simplified, but something like that. But what would America do when the Russian-Chinese Union emerged? Only if you hang yourself :)
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 15: 54 New
      0
      Sojuz objavljat rano! Budet isterika i neadekvatnye dejstvija so storony zapada (oni pri jadrenbatone) ...
  27. Steppe
    Steppe 17 October 2015 10: 30 New
    0
    The test says: "... foreign experts believe that Russia and China cannot have a strategic partnership, and even a limited alliance with the" dragon "can harm Moscow strategically."
    stop Why do we need to listen to some foreign experts there? They all think not about Russia at all.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 17 October 2015 10: 49 New
      +2
      And I wouldn’t listen to the opinion of foreign, especially Western experts, they wouldn’t teach good. In the dreams of Western elites, it’s to fragment and dismember Russia and share its wealth. And local, Russian liberals, for imaginary Western, liberal values, are ready to go to the West China will not be a friend, but it will be a reliable partner. He alone cannot keep the expansion of the United States and Western countries. At least NATO members, at least not members. The Chinese can trade, calculate trade risks, seriously, do not fight.
  28. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 17 October 2015 10: 58 New
    0
    In a decree of 1793, Emperor Qianlong of China greeted Lord McCartney, envoy of His Gracious Majesty King of England George III, in the following words.

    “It is noted that even though your country lies beyond the oceans, you humbly want to get acquainted with the civilized world, and that your envoy has arrived at the court to pay homage to the lord of the Celestial Empire and congratulate him on his birthday.
    Such humility and respectful obedience inspire our approval.
    In response, your messenger will give you our wish.
    We want your country to continue to show loyalty to the Celestial Empire and swore eternal obedience to it. "

    That's what the emperors of China said with the envoys of England! )))
    We do not understand much in the East!
  29. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 17 October 2015 11: 44 New
    0
    I liked the article; the author’s line of reasoning is interesting. In many ways I really agree with him. hi
  30. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 12: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Dan Slav
    In a decree of 1793, Emperor Qianlong of China greeted Lord McCartney, envoy of His Gracious Majesty King of England George III, in the following words.

    “It is noted that even though your country lies beyond the oceans, you humbly want to get acquainted with the civilized world, and that your envoy has arrived at the court to pay homage to the lord of the Celestial Empire and congratulate him on his birthday.
    Such humility and respectful obedience inspire our approval.
    In response, your messenger will give you our wish.
    We want your country to continue to show loyalty to the Celestial Empire and swore eternal obedience to it. "

    That's what the emperors of China said with the envoys of England! )))
    We do not understand much in the East!

    This is such a ritual. Russian tsars also spoke with European ambassadors. Each side traditionally exalts itself as the center of the world.
    1. Dan Slav
      Dan Slav 17 October 2015 19: 08 New
      0
      Oh well! Waiting, sir! When they talk to us like that.
      Then not only trade caravans will go along the Silk Road. )
  31. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 12: 46 New
    0
    Quote: velikoros-xnumx
    In the 2010s, given the prevailing political situation, he became interested in the history of Russian-Chinese relations and read several works (I recommend reading No. 1 and No. 2 for reading):
    1. Popov I.M. "Russia and China 300 years on the brink of war)
    2. Lukin A.V. "CHINA. The bear is watching the dragon" (the most respected Sinologist, formerly an employee of the USSR Embassy in Beijing)
    3. Popov A.P. "Political systems and regimes in China of the twentieth century" (as far as I know, not a relative of the previously mentioned I. Popov)
    4. Akihiro Iwashita "4000 kilometers of problems. The Russian-Chinese border" is a very interesting book, given the nationality of the author claims to be unbiased estimates

    Do not tell, the Japanese, in principle, is not capable of an unbiased assessment when the topic concerns Russia and China, Japan's two main continental rivals. Drive a wedge between Russia and China is the main imperative of Japanese politics for the past hundred years. As well as the main task of England at all times was to embroil the continental powers between Germany, Russia and France. Every Japanese researcher is always ready to prove Russian hostility to China, and Chinese hostility to Russia.
    As for the rest of the books, in the West there is also a whole layer of scientific literature and serious studies written by the so-called specialists in Russia, holders of various degrees, who thoroughly prove the traditional hostility of Russia to Western civilization and the seriousness of the “Russian threat”. Russia in the west, as well as China in Russia, is a traditional scarecrow for alarmists of all stripes.
  32. GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 13: 37 New
    -3
    What should you go in your madness to call our worst enemy an ally, partner and brother ?! China openly says it’s about to attack Russia. And the oligarchy gives him land in hundreds of thousands of hectares.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 17 October 2015 13: 54 New
      +3
      Give examples. I ask you not to bring old maps on which the border is indicated by the Nerchinsk Treaty. There the border passes along the Stanovoi Range. In 1858, the Aigun Treaty on the Amur was signed, and in 1860, according to the Beijing Treaty, a preliminary demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border was carried out. And all border conflicts and inconsistencies were resolved in 2006.
      1. GraveBezKresta
        GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 14: 24 New
        0
        A bunch of examples. This is what the Chinese themselves write openly. Who should they be afraid of? Is there an oligarchy? So he merges them all.
        "China openly spoke about the war with Russia. Named date
        In China, the pro-government newspaper Wen Wei Po published material explaining that the pace of the country's economic and political development will lead to the need for war with China’s closest neighbors. Among the potential targets of attack is Russia.

        According to reporters, in the next 50 years, China expects 6 victorious wars. The first will be the "war for the unification of the nation" in 2020-25, that is, the war with Taiwan, the conquest of which is given a maximum of 6 months. Then comes the turn of Vietnam, which China will attack in 2028-30 to regain control of the former Chinese islands of Spartley.

        In 2035-40, China will start a war with India to conquer Southern Tibet. In this war, the Chinese are counting on the help of Pakistan, which will simultaneously have to invade South Kashmir.

        In 2040-45, a favorable moment will come for the war with Japan - the Chinese intend to return the originally Chinese islands of Diaoyu-Dao and Ryukyu occupied by Japan. Mongolia will be attacked almost immediately, unless, of course, it agrees to peacefully unite with China.

        And finally, a series of wars will end with a grand conflict with Russia, which is scheduled for 2055-2060. It was then that Russia’s turn came to answer for the fact that at one time it had seized more than 1,6 million square kilometers from the Chinese Empire. The Chinese intend by this time to become a leading world power, the first in the field of all possible types of troops, so they expect to easily overcome their northern neighbor. "
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 17 October 2015 14: 58 New
          +3
          Bullshit. I’ve been living a kilometer from Hei-He for 60 years and I didn’t notice anything from that nonsense that you wrote. Although the Chinese have to meet constantly.
          1. GraveBezKresta
            GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 16: 24 New
            0
            And I served on the Amur. The officers who trained us always said that our first enemy is China. And it seems to you that the Chinese do not write about the future war with Russia - all God's dew. But the question is not about you, but the question of the resources and territories of Russia that the Sinologists need.
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  33. xin-l
    xin-l 17 October 2015 14: 08 New
    +3
    All the same, China will have to get involved in the war if the Taliban and the Islamic State pour in to Tajikistan. Too much business there in China, mining of gold including, etc. and the uneasiness of the Shinjiang of the Uyghur Autonomous Okrug will give its way if they just watch. The analyst is funny, we don’t have love for suction with China, but it is important for us to ensure the security of our borders. The Chinese are wise people they do not need problems at their borders. Then, yes, we have contradictions with our EurAsEC and how much we work together, the world is not as primitive as the analyst thinks all countries are neighbors and not only have many claims to each other, the eternal allies of the EU and the USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA, USA and Canada think they have no contradictions, it's silly to think so. Russia and the PRC have one strategic thing in common: the common security of our borders in Central Asia, Europe, the Asia-Pacific region and we are not trying to teach others how to live and do not impose our worldview model on others; this fundamentally brings our positions closer together. The fact that there are a lot of Chinese in the Far East, oh lane year!, The Chinese now live in all cities of the world and nothing, In Australia they also leased land, the Australians then also yelled saying - annexation! Now they are silent and receive the benefits of cooperation. If you carefully prescribe that the Chinese can not do with our land and regulate this process, then there will be no problems. And then hysteria is something not the case. I like one example about our relationship with the Chinese - marriage is not by love but by calculation, and unlike love, which disappears very quickly, pragmatic mutually beneficial relationships can last much much longer.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 18: 25 New
      0
      In the US, the Chinese, according to various estimates, from 5 to 20 million !!! Let us take the average figure-10 million !!! In Australia, with a population of 23 million Chinese, 3-4 million !!! And nothing, the Anglo-Saxons still did not strangle ... There are not a million Chinese in Russia ... By the way, many people in the Far East confuse Koreans (Russian citizens who know Russian well, 300 thousand Koreans live in Russia) with the Chinese ... And the Chinese rent even in the USA, in South Korea, about Latin America, Africa I am silent ... And about Tajikistan, I think you're right! There not only China, the entire SCO army will send ...
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  35. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 14: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Grave without Cross
    What should you go in your madness to call our worst enemy an ally, partner and brother ?! China openly says it’s about to attack Russia. And the oligarchy gives him land in hundreds of thousands of hectares.

    Leprid Kim is Chinese? Viktor Tsoi is obvious too. I didn’t even look further.
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  36. GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 14: 33 New
    -1
    Here is an expert opinion.
    "Chinese expansion is inevitable
    People in China believe that nuclear war is better
    than collapse from the inside

    Alexander Khramchikhin,
    Deputy Director
    Institute of Political
    and military analysis
    The articles of the military-industrial complex weekly (Nos. 14, 17, 19, 22, 28 and 31) examined the current state of the PLA and the military-industrial complex (MIC) of the PRC. It has been shown that although China’s military capabilities have long been super redundant in terms of national defense, they continue to build up at an unprecedented pace.

    In the production of military equipment of all major classes, except nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers, the Celestial Empire confidently occupies the first place in the world, although the capabilities of its military-industrial complex will be used by up to a third. At the same time, the Chinese practically eliminated the qualitative lag behind the armed forces of the countries of the West and Russia, which took place ten years ago. Even where a certain lag persists, it is not fundamental and is easily compensated by quantitative superiority.
    Capturing territories as problem solving
    The complete disregard for these facts in Russia begins to take on the character of some sort of collective insanity, which is sometimes exacerbated by a direct lie about the production of arms in China in small series, as well as about our wonderful relations. The pro-Chinese lobby in Russia, which is at least no weaker than the pro-American, is very much involved in this insanity. Moreover, he has resources in the Russian Federation that Americans do not have - a huge Chinese diaspora, Chinese special services operating almost unhindered on our territory, and a significant number of Russian citizens, moreover, very high-ranking, long-bought by Beijing and ready to sell him absolutely everything. "
    1. Vais
      Vais 17 October 2015 14: 41 New
      +1
      Khramchikhin? Oh well good Everything is clear, this is a noble fighter against the liquid market. He has these treacherous Chinese soon climb out from under the bed.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 17 October 2015 18: 31 New
        0
        Khramchikhin was blown away! Looks like the guys from a well-known office blew him a little weak ..., he is silent, he doesn’t shine ... He recently had his latest article, there he was declining the USA and the EU, though unconvincingly ..., and China was hurt by chance .... It can be seen that they worked with him ...
  37. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 14: 49 New
    +1

    Quote: Grave without Cross
    A bunch of examples. This is what the Chinese themselves write openly. Who should they be afraid of? Is there an oligarchy? So he merges them all.
    "China openly spoke about the war with Russia. Named date
    In China, the pro-government newspaper Wen Wei Po published material explaining that the pace of the country's economic and political development will lead to the need for war with China’s closest neighbors. Among the potential targets of attack is Russia.

    According to reporters, in the next 50 years, China expects 6 victorious wars. The first will be the "war for the unification of the nation" in 2020-25, that is, the war with Taiwan, the conquest of which is given a maximum of 6 months. Then comes the turn of Vietnam, which China will attack in 2028-30 to regain control of the former Chinese islands of Spartley.

    And finally, a series of wars will end with a grand conflict with Russia, which is scheduled for 2055-2060. It was then that Russia’s turn came to answer for the fact that at one time it had seized more than 1,6 million square kilometers from the Chinese Empire. The Chinese intend by this time to become a leading world power, the first in the field of all possible types of troops, so they expect to easily overcome their northern neighbor. "

    Can you please direct link to this article?
    1. GraveBezKresta
      GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 15: 34 New
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      Yes, enjoy! Kitaezsky only learn. Or are you a chinaman?
      “On July 8, the pro-government Chinese newspaper Wenweipo published an article entitled“ 6 wars in which China should participate in the next 50 years. ”
      The planned 6 wars are all for their own purposes unifying (irredentist) - in their root, the development of those territories that imperial China lost as a result of the opium war with Britain in the 1840-42 years. Defeats, from the point of view of the Chinese nationalists, which led to the “centenary humiliation” of China.
      The English translation was taken from the Hong Kong blog Midnight Express 2046, the original article is ChinaNews.com. The Hong Kong resource calls the article an excellent example of modern Chinese imperialism.
      China is not a single great power. This is the humiliation of the Chinese people, the shame of the sons of the Yellow Emperor. For the sake of national unity and dignity, China must wage 6 wars in the next 50 years. Some regional, others, possibly total. No matter what, they are all inevitable for Chinese reunification.
      THE SIXTH WAR: THE RETURN OF THE EARTH FROM RUSSIA (YEARS 2055 - 2060)
      The current relations between China and Russia would seem to be good, but this is a result of the fact that the United States does not leave them any other choice.
      Both countries are closely monitored by each other. Russia fears that the rise of China threatens its power, but China has never forgotten the possessions lost in favor of Russia. When the case turns up, China will return all the lost territories.
      After five previous victories for 2050, China will make territorial claims based on the domain of ownership (domain) of the Qin Dynasty (as an association of Outer Mongolia based on the domain of the Republic of China) and will conduct propaganda campaigns in support of such claims. Efforts must be made to ensure that Russia disintegrates again.
      At the time of “Old China”, Russia occupied 1,6 million square kilometers of land, which is equal to one sixth of the territory of the current domain of China. Thus, Russia is China's worst enemy.
      After winning the previous five wars - it's time to get Russia to pay.
      This must lead to a war with Russia. Although by this time China was the foremost military power in the field of aviation, Navy, ground and space forces, this is the first war against a nuclear power. Therefore, China should be well prepared in the field of nuclear weapons, the possibility of a nuclear strike on Russia from the beginning to the end of the conflict.
      When China deprives Russia of the possibility of a retaliatory strike, Russia realizes that it cannot with China on the battlefield.
      They will only have to give up their occupied lands, paying a high price for their invasions. "
    2. GraveBezKresta
      GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 16: 18 New
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      I will not only give you a link, I will also give you a text in Chinese! For you and for the same pioneers as you.
      Beginning of the article:
      "中国 是 一个 没有 统一 的 大 国 , 这 是 华夏 民族 的 耻辱 , 是
  38. lonovila
    lonovila 17 October 2015 15: 53 New
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    -Very good article ... -I have already written more than once and ... I never get tired of repeating ...
    -Dangerous and insidious enemy for Russia .. than China ... -no and never will be ... -China is the real mortal enemy for Russia ...
    -And always ... -In response, a huge number of minuses or even my posts are removed ... -This is not surprising ... -The forum has long been full of Chinese ... -if everyone ... minus .. .
    -That is ... business ... -And Russia continues to sleep ... and see ghostly dreams of "indestructible friendship and partnership" ... with its ... mortal enemy ...
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 18: 34 New
      +1
      Many "strategists" reasoned in 1904 ..... But it flew in from Japan .....
    2. GraveBezKresta
      GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 18: 44 New
      +1
      Do not pay attention to cons, consider this as a reward. I have the impression that the majority who shout "For China!" didn’t serve at all. Any military man understands the threat of the Chinese army and immigrants. The title of the article "Peaceful Chinese Dragon" is similar to the phrase peaceful good anaconda or crocodile. Although, our main threat - it really is not China - is the oligarchy in the Kremlin, which surrenders us with giblets to China.
  39. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 16: 50 New
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    Oh yes, a Hong Kong (!) Tabloid newspaper, known as a humorous collection of fakes (who doesn’t know, she launched a fake about Uncle Kim Dong Un fed to dogs) - this is certainly a serious source. bully
    As serious as the video with the fake prophecies of saints and Russian Koreans as Chinese migrants)))
    Quote: Grave without Cross
    Kitaezsky only learn. Or you yourself are a chinaman. "

    No, I'm not a Chinas. I don’t even know such a nation of “Chinasians.”
  40. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 17 October 2015 17: 05 New
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    Quote: lonovila

    -Dangerous and insidious enemy for Russia .. than China ... -no and never will be ... -China is the real mortal enemy for Russia ...
    -This is not surprising ... -the forum has long been full of Chinese ... -if everyone ... minus ...
    -And Russia continues to sleep ... and see ghostly dreams of "indestructible friendship and partnership" ... with its ... deadly enemy ...


    Nihao! Although I am a Chinese laughing (not, well, what, that eyes are round, the last name is on "in"ends! wassat ), I will not put cons.

    A deadly enemy: you know, there would have been more of these "deadly" and the population of Russia would have already approached half a billion, probably. For 360 (!) Years (since 1654 years), 7 (!) Conflicts have been registered on the Russian-Chinese border. 238 years (from 1686 to 1924) there were no conflicts at all. The most famous is Damansky. The number of deaths on our part is 58 people. For an individual family, this is grief. I don’t jerk over it. But across the country (the length of the Russian-Chinese border is 4209,3 kilometers) this is a local conflict. According to your classification, there are probably "non-fatal" enemies? Recall how many of our citizens died from "non-fatal" enemies? Who doesn’t even have a border with us? How many tens of millions will be typed? And who indirectly, with the wrong hands fought with us, inciting other nations to us? These "implicit" enemies brought much more grief to the huge number of families in our country. Count how many of our people have died at least since the collapse of the USSR in local conflicts: Karabakh, Chechnya, Transnistria, etc. - Damansky seems like a joke. Who unleashed these conflicts? Who invested there? Chinese? Apparently, I don’t know much.
    The two superpowers have been rubbing together for over 300 years and they have not had a single war! Naturally, thinking that these are harmless peisans is arrogant and stupid. But to call them "mortal enemies" is a bust. There are several serious state structures for a true assessment of their capabilities and the threat posed by them. Yes, and there are troops too.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 17 October 2015 18: 45 New
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      If you calculate how many people Russia lost in wars with the West (taking into account potentially unborn children from the deceased), then there will be 200 million .... That is, the population of the current Russian Federation could be around 350 million !!! By the way, the task of the West has always been basically, if it was not possible to win, to knock out the population of Russia-Russia as much as possible .... because in those days demography decided the outcome of the war ... Many people, many economies, many taxes, many scientists, many workers , many talents, many warriors ....
  41. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 17: 30 New
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    Quote: lonovila

    -And always ... -In response, a huge number of minuses or even my posts are removed ... -This is not surprising ... -The forum has long been full of Chinese ... -if everyone ... minus .. .

    Those. if you are mistaken for a fool (and this is the only way to explain why each of your posts is intensely minded), then it’s not you who are to blame, but the insidious Chinese who have flooded the site? Original bully
    1. lonovila
      lonovila 18 October 2015 03: 12 New
      0
      - Yes, let them take it ... at least for someone ... - Human foolishness - there is farawayness ... ... - Yes, how easy and easy for treacherous Chinese people to always deal with such "smart people" ... like you ... it's easy to fool around ... -How is it sung in a funny song ...- "On ..." smart guy "... you don't need a knife" ... and so on ...
      -Just evil and fear take ... -as criminally stupid and careless Russia ...
      -And about my personal predictions, assessments and statements (so abundantly minuscated by "wise men") ... -not so they are "absurd" ... as it turned out ...
      -That is even the fact that I once said more than once about the need of Russia to “Mistral” and that was confirmed ... -This “Mistral” would be so useful for Russia in Syria now ... -With these “Mistral” Russia would simply completely control this entire region now and completely block all space for all the IGs and their other "allies" ... and so on ...
      -Yes, what am I explaining to you here ... -You are a "wise guy" ... for you, "all" will come down ...
  42. Venier
    Venier 17 October 2015 18: 03 New
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    Beijing is not loyal to either Moscow or the United States.
    Everything is right-eastern trick, subtle calculation, understand the stratagems. We are not Russians in China, we won’t shed their blood for others profusely. There is something to learn.
  43. Letterksi
    Letterksi 17 October 2015 18: 28 New
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    The good news is that the Chinese will no longer breed at the same pace as before. They already have more than half of the population living in cities, and not in rural areas. Fruit like cockroaches only in villages, those who live and work on the land, regardless of nationality
  44. Vais
    Vais 17 October 2015 18: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: LetterKsi
    The good news is that the Chinese will no longer breed at the same pace as before. They already have more than half of the population living in cities, and not in rural areas. Fruit like cockroaches only in villages, those who live and work on the land, regardless of nationality
    I subscribe to every word. By the way, they themselves are very pleased.
  45. GraveBezKresta
    GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 18: 52 New
    +2
    And the dragon is already waking up ...
    "One of the motorized infantry regiments of the 39th Army of the Shenyang Military District of the PLA was alerted at the end of September, and after passing a swift march towards the border with Russia, was deployed in combat formation for military exercises. Another exercises near the Russian borders were organized and conducted in early October, one of the air defense regiments of the 16th Army of the Shenyang Military District. Based on the location of the units, the area of ​​the exercises and taking into account the operational appointment of the Shenyang Military District, it is not difficult to assume that the northern neighbor was a likely adversary for the Celestial Army.
    On the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the PRC, a note was published in which it was reported. Also, photographs of personnel and military equipment that were involved in the exercises were posted.
    An increase in China's military activity on the border with Russia has recently been noted by leading military analysts.
    Original message from the website of the Ministry of Defense of China:
    第 39 集团军 某团 在 陌生 复杂 地域 组织 红蓝 对抗
    9 月 25 日 , 第 39 集团军 某团 将 人员 和 装备 拉到 陌生 复杂 地域 , 组



    织 红蓝 对抗 , 在 实战 化 背景 条件 下 , 检验 部队 作战 能力。
    Translation:
    One of the regiments of the 39th army in an unfamiliar and difficult terrain organized a battle
    September 25, the personnel and military equipment of one of the regiments of the 39th army arrived in an unfamiliar impassable area. Battles were organized, in a real battle, the combat readiness of the troops was tested. "
    1. GraveBezKresta
      GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 18: 55 New
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      Here is a photo from the exercises.
      1. GraveBezKresta
        GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 18: 57 New
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        Previously, the Soviet Union would have reacted accordingly, but now everything is fine, beautiful Marquise.
    2. Vais
      Vais 17 October 2015 19: 17 New
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      Wow, whole regiment, horror, horror !!! wassat
      Here, recently in East Siberia and the Far East, the Vostok 2014 exercises were held with the participation of 155 troops. At the very borders of China. Already after rapprochement with Beijing, I will remind. We are not going to attack China otherwise.
      It’s just that any military district of any country in the world, even in the neighborhood of a reliable neighbor and ally, must conduct exercises and work out its tasks for the most unexpected case. It is strange that even we, supposedly not serving, know about this.
      1. GraveBezKresta
        GraveBezKresta 17 October 2015 19: 58 New
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        Well, maybe you served, but what's the point? Sometimes you need to turn on the brains. And do not listen to this zombie creator. We had half of the Ukrainians in the garrison, and now I listen from morning till night that they are Bandera, nationalists and enemies of Russia. Only I wanted to put on such propaganda. Same thing with China. Read, think, maybe something will come ...
        "Russian journalists and analysts criticize Putin’s policy, which merges the country into China. The latest news is the abolition of the visa regime with China, which will result in uncontrolled migration of Chinese immigrants to the Far East and Siberia, which will lead to the separation of these territories from Russia.
        Putin instructed Medvedev to cancel visas for Chinese citizens
        The permanent president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, instructed the government of Dmitry Medvedev to submit proposals by October 30 for visa-free entry into the Russian Federation of citizens of Brazil, China, India and South Africa - countries that are part of the BRICS together with Russia.
        The rapprochement between Putin’s Russian Federation and communist China began after the international community imposed economic sanctions on official Moscow, which was caused by the Russian armed invasion of the sovereign state of Ukraine. Such a sharp change in the Kremlin’s foreign policy vector has criticized even the most consistent supporters of the Putin regime.
        As the well-known Russian journalist, editor-in-chief of the Moscow Talking radio station Sergey Dorenko, said in June 2015, the Russian Federation cannot have equal cooperation with China, since the entire Russian economy is equal to no more than two or three Chinese provinces.
        "And in 50 years we will be one Chinese province. Or maybe a half of the Chinese province. In terms of economy. They are developing, but we are not, that’s the difference," the journalist emphasized.
        He considers the decision to provide 115 hectares of Transbaikalia land to Chinese farmers for a 49-year lease as a "crime", "outrageous trade in Russia."
        According to the journalist, Transbaikalia risks thus repeating the fate of the once Russian Alaska, the rights to which were assigned to another state with the wording "not having the ability to protect and assimilate."
        The Russian-speaking population of those territories of the Far East of Russia that will move away to China - and Dorenko has no doubt about the inevitability of this process - will be forced to completely assimilate.
        According to Vladimir Gorbach, a political analyst at the Institute for Euro-Atlantic Cooperation, the Russian government is betting, first of all, on economic cooperation with China, in particular, on the "development by the Chinese of Russian natural resources in Siberia and the Far East."
        "This is aimed at negotiations on the construction of new oil and gas pipelines and a certain migration of Chinese labor resources to the north," the expert added. As Gorbach predicts, this trend will continue, because "both sides are interested in this, Russia cannot independently develop its natural resources."
        Gorbach also rated it as a real threat to secession of Russian territories inhabited by Chinese immigrants. "The Russians themselves have been talking about this for more than a year, there is such a threat. But this can happen only at the moment when Russian statehood as such is destroyed," he stressed.
        1. JACTUS RECTUS
          JACTUS RECTUS 18 October 2015 05: 44 New
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          Laughing (hi from Sakhalin). Dorenko since when did he become an authority in any field? I think this character has mental problems.
    3. strannik1985
      strannik1985 17 October 2015 21: 21 New
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      I’m embarrassed to ask, but in the Far Eastern Military District, exercises larger than BTU are not conducted? Where else to train units and formations if not on the territory of their HE?
    4. Letterksi
      Letterksi 18 October 2015 20: 53 New
      0
      A few years ago, China conducted offensive exercises to a depth of 2000 km. in winter conditions. These teachings can only be directed against Russia.

      China is now watching Russia throwing in Ukraine, in Syria, soon in Central Asia. He is clearly not going to, in the event of an aggravation of the situation in Russia, miss Siberia in favor of the States. In this situation, he plans to occupy these territories first, without waiting for anyone else to arrive there.
  46. SIT
    SIT 17 October 2015 19: 13 New
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    The Chinese are cunning about the lack of interests in Syria; they understand perfectly well that if Syria and Iran fall, Central Asia flames up, and if you remove the Russian 201 military base from there, then the Islamic caliphate will flood into Chinese Xianjiang, where Muslim Uigurs live. The clashes there are ongoing. More than a thousand were killed. It is headed by the entire Islamic Party of East Turkestan, with the goal of establishing Islam in all of China.
  47. yan 2015
    yan 2015 17 October 2015 19: 47 New
    +1
    China wants to have allies ... but not to be ... just have ... and nothing personal.)
  48. GDV
    GDV 17 October 2015 19: 56 New
    +1
    What to guess will help will not help, will be above the battle or will lend a helping hand, one must be self-sufficient, the fatherland has two allies army and navy. There will be a fight there and we'll see.

    It is foolish to hope for someone in this life, beside the Lord God, we Russians are strong with God. Do not forget this.
  49. Gerurra
    Gerurra 17 October 2015 20: 50 New
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    The victory of the Slavs over China and the Creation of the World 7500 years ago
  50. alone
    alone 17 October 2015 22: 04 New
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    China will enter the war))) For the last 25 years, I don’t remember this. China is now busy with its territorial claims, this is the second time. Secondly, China is waiting for how it will all end — it's two. China will act for sure, that is, when it brings it good luck