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The United States turns the Syrian conflict into a mediated war with Russia

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The United States turns the Syrian conflict into a mediated war with RussiaPresident Vladimir Putin expressed concern over the US program of so-called moderate opposition in Syria - the US weapon may again fall into the hands of terrorists. The press in the United States itself notes: assistance through the Pentagon and the CIA provokes the escalation of the Syrian conflict into "war by proxy."


Russian President Vladimir Putin, commenting on the program of assistance to the so-called moderate Syrian opposition from the United States, expressed concern: “Will all this fall again into the hands of terrorists?”

“Will all this fall into the hands of terrorists again?”


The commanders of the Syrian rebels say that for the first time since the start of the Russian air strikes, large batches of American-made anti-tank missiles were received. Such a statement is contained in an article published on the eve of The New York Times. The authors of the material conclude: with the increased firepower of the rebels and with the steady improvement in the quality of Russian air strikes against government opponents, the Syrian conflict brings us closer to a total mediated war (proxy war, can also be translated as “war by proxy” - comment), between the United States and Russia.

The same term - “mediated conflict” - is also used by the leading Chinese newspaper, Renmin Jibao. The Beijing edition notes: Russia and the United States, instead of demanding peace talks in Syria, are returning to the Cold War.

“They said that we will not work at this level”

The threat pointed to by both The New York Times and the People's Daily is, alas, quite real. The United States and its Middle Eastern allies, acting in Syria at their own discretion (unlike Russia, which launched the antiterrorist operation at the request of the country's legitimate government), actually “warms up” civil war, supporting illegal formations, including radical Islamists, with arms - let even the West and the Arabian monarchies call them "moderate opposition."

As Russian President Vladimir Putin noted when talking with Vladimir Solovyov, a reporter for the Russia 1 channel, “we work in full compliance with international law - at the request of the official authorities of the Syrian Arab Republic”. "All other countries that have so far taken part in such actions act illegally, because there is not a decision of the UN Security Council on this subject, nor is there an official request from the Syrian authorities," the head of state emphasized.
According to the president, “if we talk about a purely military component, then we’re talking to our partners when we hear reproaches to our address that our attacks are supposedly not on ISIL, not on other terrorist organizations like“ Dzhebhat al-Nusra ”and others like them, and the healthy part of the opposition, so let's say about it. "

"And we told them: if you know better than us, the situation in the territory, you are already there for more than a year - illegally, but still present, if you know better (which I doubt, but suppose), give us goals we will work them out, ”Putin said. West refused. “They said no, at this level we will not work. It is not clear why, if they really know better and want to fight terrorism - tell us the specific places where the terrorists are hiding, where their control points, warehouses with weapons and equipment. Give us a goal - which is easier? So far, unfortunately, they have not reached such a level of joint work, ”the president stated, noting that the first steps in establishing contacts at the military level were made.

As Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Tuesday, Moscow regrets that the United States has not yet begun to realistically coordinate the efforts of all those who resist the terrorist threat in Syria.

Recall, not so long ago, The New York Times wrote that the United States was taken by surprise by the creation by Russia, Iraq, Iran and Syria of an information center to fight the Islamic State group.

“Democracy” will win, even if it leads to chaos ”


It seems that the United States and its allies are not aiming to curb terrorism in the face of the “Islamic State” and Al-Qaida’s Syrian cells, but to eliminate the current Syrian government at any cost and with the help of any forces intending to fight the Al-Assad government until the bitter end . Thus, the United States and its allies, instead of jointly deterring terrorism on distant frontiers (though not so distant, given that ISIS is a direct and obvious threat for Europe) oppose their operation to Russia, and from such opposition to “war by proxy” - one step.

“On the whole, the United States considers its strategy to be correct, just like some dogma that“ democracy will still win ”and everything will turn out well, even if it leads to chaos. The Americans chose a dubious strategy, trying to defeat Bashar al-Assad with a third force and hoping that this third force would prevail over the IS, which raises many questions, ”Professor of Military Sciences, Director of the Project for Conventional Arms and ATT of the PIR Center noted in his commentary Vadim Kozyulin.

The expert noted that there are a lot of mistakes in the US strategy, and they do not hide them, so besides switching opposition fighters with American weapons to the IG side, there were cases when a part of the weapons went to the igilovtsa as payment for passing through their territory.

Along the line of the CIA


According to The New York Times, TOW antitank guided missiles produced in the United States began to be shipped to the region as early as 2013. The publication believes that the supplies were in the framework of "a secret program conducted by the United States, as well as Saudi Arabia and other allies, and designed to help the rebel groups prepared by the CIA who are fighting the Syrian government."

The publication claims that this plan of the CIA is not related to the “failed Pentagon program” - I mean the program for training and arming the fighters of the Syrian opposition, for which it was planned to allocate 500 million dollars. Earlier it was reported that the administration of US President Barack Obama has decided to stop this project, the Ministry of Defense. “He was not successful in many respects because few of the recruited oppositionists agreed that their goal was to fight the IS, and not Assad,” notes The New York Times. The program overseen by the CIA, according to the newspaper, is much larger than the plans of the Pentagon.

Moreover, according to a number of commanders of the Syrian opposition, who agreed to comment on the American newspaper, they first received anti-tank missiles from the United States after the start of the operation of the Russian videoconferencing system.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, commenting on the program of assistance to the so-called moderate Syrian opposition from the United States, expressed concern: “Will all this fall again into the hands of terrorists?”

Earlier on Tuesday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov expressed fears that the new US program to help the “moderate opposition” in Syria would once again lead to the release of ammunition and supplies into the hands of militants.

Add that on the eve of the CNN television channel, citing its own source said: in the province of Al-Hasek, US military transport aircraft dropped 50 tons of ammunition for the needs of the Syrian opposition. It is reported that US aircraft successfully delivered opposition rifle ammunition and hand grenades.

Pentagon chief Ashton Carter said last Friday that the United States could decide to revise programs to train opposition fighters opposed to President Assad. The White House clarified that as a result of the revision of the strategy, the US will work with those groups that are already fighting with the IG: this is about providing the Syrian opposition with equipment that will allow them to operate more effectively with the support of American air strikes.

An article in The New York Times states that anti-tank weapons are delivered “in the field” by American allies, but the United States says where exactly the deliveries are made. “This suggests that the current stable arms supply is at least with the approval of Washington,” the authors emphasize. At the same time, “Russian aviation provides powerful support to Syrian government forces.

In the past five days alone, 34 videos from the battlefields in the provinces of Hama and Idlib were posted on the Web, where the US TOW ATGM "helped to delay the first ground attack by the Syrian government army, supported by Russian aviation."

The publication quotes the commander of a certain opposition group, Unit 13, Ahmad al-Saud, who said: "We get everything we ask in the shortest possible time." The militant commander claims that in just two days, his people destroyed seven tanks and government armored vehicles with the help of seven American ATGMs. “Seven out of seven,” Ahmad boasts. Earlier, it was reported that Unit 13 is part of the Islamist Sunni coalition “The Conquest Army” (“Jaish al-Fatah”), which is fighting in Idlib province with both the IS and the government army and with the Shiite Hezbollah movement.
Another "official source" in one of the opposition groups fighting in the province of Hama, said: the opposition received a blank check with regard to the supply of weapons. This militant word for word repeats the words "colleagues" from Idlib: "We get as much as we need and when we need it." At the same time, the “moderate oppositionist” asked not to identify himself with the radical Islamists.

In turn, a source in the Syrian government structures told The New York Times that the combat capability and morale of the army "is at a new level" - and this is due to both the antiterrorist operation of the Russian videoconferencing system and the assistance that Assad has from Iran and the Lebanese militias from Hezbollah.

Dangerous Liaisons


If Russia, fighting against terrorism in Syrian territory, interacts with the legitimate internationally recognized government of the Syrian Arab Republic, then the counterparties of the Americans and their Middle Eastern allies are highly questionable.

Recently, a high-ranking source in the government of Saudi Arabia, on condition of anonymity, told BBC BBC: “The response to the Russian bombardments will be an increase in the supply of modern weapons to the Syrian opposition. This will restore the balance of power and prevent the offensive of the security forces of Bashar al-Assad. ” The Saudi source indicated that three groups would be supported, "considered moderate": "Free Syrian Army", "Southern Front" and the already mentioned "Jaish al-Fath" - "Army of Conquest".

According to the Russia 24 channel, the Army of Conquest (which, as one of its commanders confessed, "gets everything he asks" from Western well-wishers) is under operational control from the Al Nusra Front, the Syrian branch of Al-Nusrah. Qaida.

On Tuesday, the leader of the Al-Nusra Front, Abu Mohammed al-Golani, posted a video appeal to the Syrian opposition: he called for an increase in the number of attacks in retaliation for the alleged "indiscriminate killing of Muslim Sunnis by the Russian military." According to the British The Telegraph, the head of the Syrian branch of al-Qaeda said: Russia's actions aimed at preserving the Assad regime are doomed to failure.

Judging by the words of al-Golani, the Islamists are clearly trying to present the Syrian conflict as a religious war. The head of the "An-Nusra Front" called the Russian airstrikes "a new crusade of Christians from the east." “The war in Syria will make the Russians forget the horrors they faced in Afghanistan. The new intervention of Russia is the last spurt in the arsenal of the enemies of Muslims and the enemies of Syria, ”said al-Golani.

"The United States just changed the strategy"


Professor Kozyulin reminded the newspaper VIEW that the USA had been constantly supplying anti-tank installations of the Syrian opposition for several years.

“This is one of the serious factors that the Syrian army has to face,” the expert stressed, recalling how the Americans put the Stinger Mujahideen MANPADS in Afghanistan at one time, and our pilots had to fly much higher, the accuracy of the strikes decreased and so on, which changed the nature of the war, leveled the situation to some extent. "The same thing happened when the Americans put the anti-tank weapons on the opposition, and she had the means to fight the armored vehicles of the government forces," the source said.

Kozyulin stressed that "the Americans declared their refusal to train the so-called Syrian free army, as it showed itself absolutely disastrous and a thousand soldiers switched to the IG, but the United States did not refuse to supply weapons, that is, they simply changed the strategy," expert.

In his opinion, the latest deliveries of anti-tank installations should be considered as a response to the reinforcement of the army of Bashar al-Assad, which today launched an offensive. "This is due to the emergence of Russian aircraft in Syria, but not directed against the Russian armed forces, it is directed primarily to the Syrian army," the source added. “However, since Russia supports the Syrian army, indirectly, these are strikes against our efforts there.” At the same time, Kozyulin reminded that the Americans are acting in violation of the UN Charter on the sovereignty of the nation, "today they put it in question."

The expert believes that, contrary to the wishes of the opposition, the Americans will not go to supply anti-aircraft missiles, "stingers" and so on, because this is "a very serious bid for the conflict with Russia. In addition, the Americans themselves are flying planes there, and if you get involved in such an anti-war, you can get an answer, ”said the source.

Kozyulin added that there is strict legislation in the world regarding specific types of MANPADS, there are international agreements: to whom it can be transferred, to whom it is impossible. "There are still anti-aircraft guns that were used in World War II, with them easier, but the Americans will not do it, knowing that this will provoke a serious diplomatic conflict and a big debate in the international community," the expert concluded.

"Saudi Arabia and Turkey do not ask Americans"

Reserve colonel, military expert Viktor Murakhovsky noted in his comment to the VIEW newspaper that there are other countries besides the USA that are ready to supply the Syrian opposition with weapons. For example, the TOW anti-tank installations were supplied by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And although they are all in a single coalition against the IG, “this coalition is quite loose,” the expert pointed out. Yes, the main thing in it are the Americans, and the rest are their younger partners, but “each there pursues its own interests. Turkey has its creators, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have theirs, and the United Arab Emirates have theirs. Everyone acts independently. And Saudi Arabia often neither asks nor anyone else asks, as does Turkey, ”Murakhovsky stressed.

The interlocutor believes that the current request of the Syrian opposition to provide them with the US anti-aircraft missiles will not respond, because these anti-aircraft missiles “will certainly be used on American aircraft. There is no doubt about it. Such an experience has already taken place, ”the expert stressed, pointing out the fact recognized even by the United States when the weapons supplied by the states of the opposition ended up in the hands of the IG. Thus, the IG received armament for about two divisions equipped with Americans: there are not only Humvee missiles and all-terrain vehicles, but also armored vehicles, heavy tank vehicles, 165 mm artillery, and so on, Murakhovsky said.

Another reason why the Syrian opposition can hardly expect support from the Pentagon is that the opposition itself as such “exists only on paper.” “There is practically none on earth,” the expert concluded.
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  1. Sterlya
    Sterlya 15 October 2015 14: 12 New
    +5
    Democracy will win, even if chaos is established in the country.
    As correctly said.
    1. Now we are free
      Now we are free 15 October 2015 14: 35 New
      +9
      Who will supply ATGMs, MANPADS, and other "Nyashki" ISIL and Co.
      1). Qatar
      2). Saudis
      3). Turkey
      4). UAE
      5). USA (The latter can generally do nothing but just turn a blind eye and quit smoking when someone robs their military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan)
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 15 October 2015 15: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Now we are free
        go out smoking when someone robs their military bases

        I think, in this case, the Yankos will call their planes home so that they do not "accidentally" fall.

        the current request of the Syrian opposition to provide them with US anti-aircraft missiles will not respond, because these anti-aircraft missiles “will certainly be used on American aircraft. There is no doubt about that. Such an experience has already been ”
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 15 October 2015 14: 35 New
      +1
      And democracy is chaos .... Almost according to W. Churchill ..
      Quote: Sterlya
      Democracy will win, even if chaos is established in the country.
      As correctly said.
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 15 October 2015 14: 52 New
        +1
        Democracy Above All!
        Already noted, democracy in American-disguised fascism. The method of enslavement. Democratically overthrow the government, put the puppet and suck everything out of the camp. Democratically driven into credit bondage and control for life.
    3. max702
      max702 15 October 2015 15: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Sterlya
      Democracy will win, even if chaos is established in the country.
      As correctly said.

      All right. The strategic goal of the USA in the BV is chaos with islands of stability and order in the form of US vassals (SA, UAE, Qatar, Israel), in the process of this chaos there will remain fragmented warring all small groups not able to cause serious damage to the above listed vassals, as well as interests The United States in the region as a whole .. at the same time, the problem of a passionate population is being solved, the vast majority of which will burn out in these conflicts; In addition, if you succeed in drawing Russia in and causing substantial damage, both material and political, then this will also not be superfluous .. Weapons have accumulated a lot, the US military-industrial complex is sleeping and sees a big war somewhere far away .. And this also applies to Europe, Ukraine first stone, there will be others ..
    4. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 15 October 2015 16: 31 New
      0
      It is time in Mexico for moderate opposition. I think there are those who want to help her with weapons.
    5. varov14
      varov14 15 October 2015 20: 17 New
      0
      It was necessary before the Western public to less to crucify that they bombed, where they hit, all the same not to become good.
  2. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 15 October 2015 14: 17 New
    +1
    So it is necessary to prepare our planes for a meeting with stingeri, it is urgent to equip the planes with a protection complex, otherwise losses are inevitable.
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    2. creak
      creak 15 October 2015 15: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: katalonec2014
      So it is necessary to prepare our planes for a meeting with stingeri, it is urgent to equip the planes with a protection complex, otherwise losses are inevitable.


      Airplanes and helicopters equipped with protection against MANPADS during the war in Afghanistan, and now even more so ...
  3. Altona
    Altona 15 October 2015 14: 20 New
    +9
    These fucking sheep gave themselves away ... To whom and for what they obey, "warriors of Allah" ...
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  4. Frigate
    Frigate 15 October 2015 14: 20 New
    +4
    In addition, the Americans themselves fly planes there, and if you get involved in such an anti-air war, you can get an answer, ”the source said.


    Yes, why, why, and Americans are very afraid of the return. smile
  5. raid14
    raid14 15 October 2015 14: 25 New
    10
    This was to be expected, all talk about the fight against international terrorists, a farce.
  6. Stinger
    Stinger 15 October 2015 14: 35 New
    +7
    There was no need to contact them. White House spokesman Josh Ernest on Wednesday, October 14, called “a cry of despair” the proposal of Russian President Vladimir Putin to discuss military cooperation in Syria. This is their whole vile essence. Exceptional boobs, damn it! Glavnyuki, as M. Zadorny aptly called.
  7. Pogran
    Pogran 15 October 2015 14: 48 New
    0
    The terrorists of the Islamic State group began a retreat in Syria under the blows of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian army. This was announced by spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, Major General Igor Konashenkov.
    “The militants are retreating, trying to equip new position areas and changing the existing logistics system for supplying ammunition, weapons and materiel,” RIA Novosti quoted Konashenkova as saying.

    Original news RT in Russian:
    https://russian.rt.com/article/123803
  8. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 15 October 2015 14: 49 New
    +2
    The United States turns the Syrian conflict into a mediated war with Russia
    It won't work, but they will drink "blood" in their press already howling is around the clock
    1. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 15 October 2015 17: 52 New
      +2


      “I don’t really understand how our American partners can criticize Russia's actions in Syria to fight terrorism if they refuse direct dialogue in a crucial area, such as a political settlement,” RIA Novosti quoted the head of state.
  9. Cucumbers
    Cucumbers 15 October 2015 14: 49 New
    0
    The Americans are fighting for democracy everywhere. And if, for example, the people in a particular country do not want democracy, they want a king, for example, a king, a secretary general, then how?
  10. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 15 October 2015 14: 50 New
    +2
    in addition to the transition of opposition fighters with American weapons to the side of the IG, there were cases when part of the weapon went to as payment for passage through their territory.

    Wrestling? Where in these words is there a hint of struggle? It's funny to hear such phrases from the government. Imagine that during the years of the Second World War the partisans paid to pay weapons in order to get through the territory occupied by the Nazis? What kind of idiots should be considered by others to think that such frank nonsense will give a ride?

    The expert believes that, contrary to the will of the opposition, the Americans will not go to supply "stingers"because it’s already “a very serious bid for a conflict with Russia. In addition, the Americans themselves fly planes there, and if you get involved in such an air war, you can get an answer. ”

    And I do not believe in the reasonableness of the Yankos.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 15 October 2015 20: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: MainBeam
      And I do not believe in the reasonableness of the Yankos.

      And I wonder who else is there who believes in their intelligence? And oo their own, they then act "rationally", they just have such a mind.
      And it's time for us to get used to such thinking, and to anticipate their "reasonable" decisions, it's high time. The humpbacked grave will only fix
  11. Vadim12
    Vadim12 15 October 2015 14: 58 New
    0
    Since it is already clear that the states need war, it means that the Syrians need to defend the Syrian air defense system. So that the so-called coalition does not host.
  12. Grbear
    Grbear 15 October 2015 15: 00 New
    +1
    I read the article and thought, "The roof is coming ..." I looked, but there are two authors fellow Author Marina Baltacheva love , Mikhail Moshkin bully . Then it is clear. But guys, read the whole article, and not sculpt one of two. Repeats a lot. hi
  13. 3vs
    3vs 15 October 2015 15: 01 New
    0
    So you need to track supply channels and destroy them in Syria.
  14. jungler
    jungler 15 October 2015 15: 08 New
    +1
    For every tricky POPU there is .... etc. . QUESTION - And what, in the USA, Arabia, in Britain, or where else in democratic countries there is no political and criminal-religious opposition? They do not need Russian weapons? Can't help them? Consent to these governments of these countries is not required. The wedge is kicked out with a wedge. Moreover, in the Russian Federation warehouses are crammed (to put it mildly) with good old small arms and power supplies.
  15. sl22277
    sl22277 15 October 2015 15: 09 New
    +3
    Only the speed of clearing this American crap will save Syria and the government. America in any war is doing everything possible and impossible in order to delay its end. He fights not in order to win, but in order to fight. Washington's desire to fight with someone else's hands is clearly traced here, because it is "Kishka Tonka" to go into direct conflict with Russia.
    Why is she doing this? Everything is very simple: the American oligarchy makes money in war.
  16. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 15 October 2015 15: 12 New
    +1
    The United States refused to accept the Russian delegation, headed by Dima iPhone for negotiations on the issue of military operations in Syria. That is, they don’t really want to talk to us seriously. But the military held successful consultations about the flights of their air forces in Syria (The supply of weapons to banduks using parachute systems) Although the weak, but still aviation of the SAR can cover the dumping places, the Americans do not have an open skies agreement with the ATS
  17. sl22277
    sl22277 15 October 2015 15: 17 New
    +1
    AIR-ZNAK RU Today, 15:12 "The Statesmen refused to receive the Russian delegation led by Dima Aiphon for negotiations on the problem of military operations in Syria." Not quite so, just the position of Washington is so weak that talking with the Russian delegation is simply "Suicide".
  18. matross
    matross 15 October 2015 15: 28 New
    +1
    Why aren't the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense trying to defend their skies from the Americans and their allies? What are they afraid of? Now Russia is with them, you can shoot.
  19. Lecha57
    Lecha57 15 October 2015 15: 35 New
    0
    Very sorry amers. They did not expect and did not foresee Russian opportunities. Let them think.
  20. lukke
    lukke 15 October 2015 16: 06 New
    0
    Our uncle Vova trolls the west. "If you know better (which I doubt) give us goals, you've been there for a year!")))) Raikin smokes on the sidelines with his crayfish for three rubles
  21. Rostislav
    Rostislav 15 October 2015 16: 08 New
    0
    What can Russia oppose to an increase in the supply of weapons to the IGilovites from Americans and others like them?
    1. Maximum coverage of these actions in the Western press, bringing issues for discussion at the UN;
    2. Actions to block the oil distribution channels by terrorists.
    A blow to the "wallet" of the IGilovites can significantly reduce the flow of weapons. Not all curators donate to them.
  22. Black
    Black 15 October 2015 16: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: lukke
    For some reason, our uncle Vova trolls west.


    About the fact that "give us GOALS that do not need to be bombed !!!" vashsche killed !!!!
  23. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 15 October 2015 16: 32 New
    +2
    Both during the Second World War in Europe and now in the Middle East, the goals of the superpowers have not changed. Still, these cynduses are nonsense ...
  24. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 15 October 2015 18: 11 New
    +1
    The United States and its allies did not plan to deter terrorism on the far borders of Russia, on the contrary, they sponsor it by all means and push their limitrophies Qatar and Saudi Arabia to this
  25. asar
    asar 15 October 2015 19: 30 New
    +1
    In the past five days alone, 34 videos from the battlefields in the provinces of Hama and Idlib were posted on the Web, where the US TOW ATGM "helped to delay the first ground attack by the Syrian government army, supported by Russian aviation."


    Again "hunt for caravans", eh, b .. b!
    Behind the "river" plowed, now here!
    Your mother, ae, when will you calm down then!
  26. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 15 October 2015 20: 28 New
    0
    "Earlier it was reported that the administration of US President Barack Obama decided to end this project of the Ministry of Defense." It was not successful in large part because few of the recruited oppositionists agreed that their goal was to fight IS, and not Assad, " notes The New York Times. The program overseen by the CIA, according to the newspaper, is much larger than the plans of the Pentagon. "
    Yes, the whole project for $ 500 million was, as it were, a roof for the CIA on the one hand, and on the other. show that the SGA is not on the side of the Islamic State, but is fighting the Assad’s bloody regime in Syria with the hands of a moderate opposition (Abama is a Nobel laureate as a fighter for peace and democracy!). Although bloodier than the last presidents of the SGA on the whole Earth can not be found, well, except that Pol Pot could compare with them! And our rhetoric does not need to be conducted, even if they help the same Kurds at 1 cent, then the IS and other bandits will help at $ 10! am
  27. T-73
    T-73 15 October 2015 22: 22 New
    +1
    It is a mistake to believe that America is beneficial for "controlled chaos" in a particular region. They need him everywhere. Nothing new. Divide and rule. Set everyone on fire, technologically lower Europe and Asia, drive South America into poverty and split Russia, preferably set on fire as well. Japan will quickly deflate under military pressure. Like all the rest (excluding SPS) ANZUS, what are they hoping for? All under the knife. To each his own. Well, at the top of the food chain is the United States. To whom, instead of a boomerang, to throw a Colt, to whom a rocket - instead of a club. Their goal is technological and economic superiority as a way to achieve complete hegemony. It may be controversial, but still it's so simple. What will the Colt do to the drone? Rockets tend to run out (like cartridges). WHO WILL MAKE them? Illiterate machine gun welders from ISIS? Do you think for a long time? When they wanted to create the FRS economically, it didn't work out, well. Let's change the methods. Or they will combine. But the goals are the same. And in comparison with the SPS, they are all moderate. Only exceptional measures are not known.
  28. Steppe
    Steppe 15 October 2015 22: 46 New
    0
    To this, everything has long been going. In vain did they really push NATO to our borders and artificially produce enemies for us, morally disfigured Ukrainians to make meat from them, etc.
  29. populist
    populist 15 October 2015 22: 47 New
    0
    The United States turns the Syrian conflict into a mediated war with Russia

    And what, did someone expect other actions from the p.i.d.s.
  30. Lecha57
    Lecha57 16 October 2015 05: 19 New
    0
    The Russian Federation knocked the ground out from under their feet, now they will rage for a long time.
  31. 19max70
    19max70 16 October 2015 11: 09 New
    0
    This was achieved from us in Ukraine. What would happen in Ukraine, would we introduce any division of the armed forces there. War. Many thanks to the President and his team for how these tasks have been resolved. The result is our Crimea. America hurts. We have the initiative in Syria. America hurts. But to be continued. There is still one battle ahead.
  32. Yutas
    Yutas 16 October 2015 15: 06 New
    +1
    I don’t quite understand why they are poking Afghan around us everywhere? We behaved there with dignity, we left behind the current government, which worked successfully for several years (unlike the States in Afghanistan and Iraq), built schools, hospitals, roads. The Mujahideen themselves still remember us warmly there, oddly enough. What can not be said about the Americans - they generally do not consider them soldiers. The States themselves educated and armed these Mujahideen, supported them in every possible way. Before that, everything was not particularly aggravated. Yes, about 15 guys died there. But - "thanks" to the help of the States. And this is over 000 years. At the same time, the flow of drugs to us from there was scanty. Now every year minus 10 from heroin.
    And now let’s remember Vietnam .... How did the Americans behave there, how many losses they have and how they now remember them.
  33. cniza
    cniza 17 October 2015 16: 47 New
    +3
    And I do not believe in the reasonableness of the Yankos. [/ Quote]



    Yes, they are not fools, they just believe only in the dollar and their quantity.