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Tricky comments. How the Cossacks taught the world to live

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It is boring to live without our merry and headless little brothers. Not in the sense, of course, pets. And globally. Without the "brotherly people" from the southern outskirts of the Russian Empire. Of particular interest are discoveries in the field of stories.




So on the eve of the new holiday, the Day of Defender of Ukraine (only it is not clear from whom the defender), the historians of the Square once again raised the self-esteem of the Ukrainian people to an unprecedented height. Where are there spaceships or Olympic gods! Landed them in full. Like bumblebees. They fly like, but somehow it is very low. More buzzing.

And the Ukrainian nation was raised above all today by the Cossacks. No, not so ... The Ukrainian nation raised kOzaki. This is me just in case, suddenly the Cossacks will be offended. Reinsured means.

October 14 in Ukraine celebrates several holidays at once. First of all, this is the Day of the Ukrainian Cossacks, timed to the Day of the Protection of the Most Holy Theotokos, for it is the Mother of God who is considered to be the protector and patroness of the Cossacks. Secondly, October 14 is celebrated with UPA Day, since it is believed that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army was created on Pokrov in 1942 year.

In 2014, by decree number 806 / 2014, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko defined October 14 as Defender of Ukraine Day, making it a weekend.

The study is intended to show people that for Ukrainians building a state of their own and war is common. Ukrainian men seem to be genetically sharpened on this state-building. That's the way from birth. Only his eyes opened, right behind the Sabers and - to build their own state! The only thing that somehow spoils the picture of the all-Ukrainian construction and, moreover, the all-Ukrainian Cossacks, is the absence of Cossack blood in the absolute majority of Ukrainians. Well, the snout did not come out, you know. All sorts of peasants, workers, and even Muscovites generally, sent by the Russian tsars or the Communists there. To undermine and spread rot.

So, dear readers, now I will enlighten you on the "Cossack" topic. And after all, so and live the life of illiterate. With the wrong understanding of history. Especially Ukrainian. Just the facts! And only from Ukrainian sources.

1. Zaporizhian Sich is rightfully called the world's first democratic union. If we take into account that many came here because of social injustice, then this is not surprising. All questions relating to the life and work of the Cossacks were decided by a vote on the councils. Decisions of the Rada were binding for each Zaporozhets.

And you remember some kind of Greece there ... Here is the cradle of democracy - Zaporizhian Sich! Eh, and all kinds of anti-Ukrainian historians have powdered the world. And, characteristically, they started puffing even before the word "Ukraine" appeared. And before the word "Cossacks" (along with the "Cossacks"). Well, how was it necessary not to love Ukraine already at that time, so that even before the appearance of it, it was already spoiling her in all sources?

Yes, and the chiefs, there was a Gulkin nose. In the sense of little at all. From 49 to 149 people. The rest are democrats. What we want is democracy. Freemen, in one word. True, the chieftain could live and bury, if that. But to bury a free man. Here!

2. The Cossacks used not only their own knowledge, but also borrowed fighting techniques from other nations. They say that not only Ukrainians, but also representatives of 20 of various nationalities lived on the Sich: Russians, Poles, Moldovans, Belarusians ... In addition, the Cossacks and hetmans themselves often traveled the world, familiarized themselves with the cultures and customs of other countries.

Especially touches the word "say." And why do we need all these foreign notes and other documents? In Ukraine, everyone knows everything. They say ... And the composition of the Cossacks. That's because, and here Muscovites. Although, on the other hand, besides the Russians and the Poles, at that time, the other listed peoples were not born somehow either. No, their ancestors had already been born, but they were called differently. Probably in order to save this incognita.

And whose methods would the Cossacks use if they don’t have their own? Of course those who "ran" to the camp. And they resorted, of course, to confess, most often, those who had done their homework in such a way that the local men could break off on the birch for parts. Bandits, in a word. Rogues, tati. And their gangster practices included Cossack freemen in the arsenal.

3. The original ship, which the Cossacks used for military campaigns, can even be called the "progenitor" of modern submarines. It consisted of two bottoms, between which they placed the cargo in order to immerse the vessel in water. So the Cossacks imperceptibly swam to the enemies. Before the onset of the offensive, the cargo was thrown away, and the vessel suddenly rose to the surface. Of course, this was a surprise to the enemy, because no one expected that the Zaporozhye army could appear from the depths of the sea. For the same purpose, inverted gulls were used - the famous Cossack boats, who were not afraid of storms or enemy warships. They were often turned upside down to sneak up on the enemy unnoticed.

Divers, are you alive? Drink urgent water, and then, they say, you can also die of laughter. I just do not understand one thing, but the Cossacks didn’t think of sticking a straw somewhere to breathe? Why? Aah, they are afraid to butt with the Chinese for priority. It is right. Although the powder seems to be already butting ... Well, it doesn't matter. Go ahead.

4. Cossacks were respected even by knights. It is known that in the main temple of the Hospitallers in Malta there is a sculpture of the Zaporozhye Cossack, which is located on the tombstone of the Grand Master of the Maltese Knights. It symbolizes the brotherhood of arms and the friendly relations of the Order of Malta with the Orthodox spiritual and knightly brotherhood of the Cossacks.

And nothing to curse. Have you been to the grave of this master himself? Were not. So, they have not seen. And if they were not seen, then ... you are not specifically shown. Because you moskalsky agent. This is the great secret of the knightly order. Well, the knights alone could not cope with enemies! And here time - Cossacks. And that's it! Enemies are defeated, and a figure is attached to the grave.

5. There was a special category among the Cossacks - they were called the character. It was believed that they originate from the ancient Pagan Magi, who possessed secret knowledge, were able to predict the future. They said that "neither fire, nor water, nor saber, nor the usual bullet, except for silver, took" and that they "could open locks without keys, float boats on the floor, like on sea waves, cross the river on mats from the vine, take the heated kernels with bare hands, see for several miles around you, be at the bottom of the river, climb and crawl out of tightly tied and even wired bags, turn into cats, turn people into bushes, horsemen - into birds, climb into the usual bucket and swim hundreds of thousands of miles underwater in it ... "

Many Cossack colonels, atamans and hetmans were considered character traits: Ivan Sirko — the most powerful of them, Samiylo Kishka, Ivan Bohun, Dmitry Baida-Vishnevsky, Maxim Krivonos, Ivan Pidkova, Severin Nalyvayko and others.

Here are some people! And you think that someone could defeat these monsters? Dudka. No one. Well, not people, cyborg! Who is very clever - march into the bath. Bucket on the head, and sit under it for at least five minutes. Look at your attempts.

By the way, this story from the category of "say" is confirmed by official sources. Even in the Bible. Remember: "all power is from God"? Vooot. Only, given the antiquity of the great ukrov and great kozak, had to reveal a secret. All power from the ancient pagan gods. Cossack Colonel is much more worthy of power than any hereditary monarch in some kind of tribe. It is from God or Allah. And they will be younger than the Ukrainian Magi ... Hmmm.

6. For the murder of one Cossack, another brutal execution awaited the criminal - he was buried alive along with the dead. Nevertheless, theft within the Sich was considered the worst crime. Even the smallest theft was punishable by execution.

This point I have cited specifically for all the nonsense there. Well, those who believe that when the crest was born, the Jew wept. Bullshit! He did not cry. Because there was no more honest people than the Cossacks. They only stole from others. Ours have no horseshoes. True, the Jews seem to be different too? But still, they did not steal from the Jews. Because the Cossacks.

7. The famous letter written by the Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan Mehmed IV contained about two and a half dozen gross insults. Refusing to demand the Sultan to stop the attacks, the Cossacks altered all his numerous titles, turning them into mocking insults, accompanied by abstract obscene statements.

And this is for hacks like me. To know that the Cossack will always find, than to answer. And most importantly, how! As two or three dozens of insults will be issued at once, we will shut up from ... I do not even know what it is from. But the main thing - we will be silent in a rag. God forbid such to hear or read.

8. As for the characteristic hairstyle and mustache of the Ukrainian knights, it is said that the Cossacks inherited them from pagan ancestors. The tradition of shaving the head and face was transferred from the local tribes of Kievan Rus and eventually came to the Cossacks. Historians say that the ancient Slavs have no god with a beard or long hair, therefore, this image was considered divine for a long time. Although there is another legend that the Cossacks considered themselves too sinful for paradise. Therefore, when they go to hell, God can have mercy on them and pull them by the hair.

There is nothing to even comment on. If you are a Cossack, then there will be no hell for you. God only deals with those that pull stupid Cossacks for the hair in paradise. And how do you want? If a Cossack is sinless, then he must live, in the sense of death, for paradise. Only here in the heavenly office, too, as I understand it, there are failures. Some stupid young angel will not go there. All Cossacks have provided. Therefore, they became the ancestors of the great ukrov. Well, not all, but some have become the same.

This is the history of Ukraine, on the day of the celebration of the above dates, issued by the Ukrainian media at the suggestion of Ukrainian historians. You read such nonsense and you understand that the roof of the Ukrainian statehood has already left. And so far that it is not possible to find it. But Ukrainians can still amuse. And it's great fun.
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    1. domokl
      domokl 15 October 2015 06: 15 New
      +32
      And how are the murders of their people and the history of Ukrainian Cossacks related? Do you offer to live? What for? Can you tell me where the majority of the soldiers of the Donetsk battalion come from? Where did the famous battalion commander-MP Semen Semenchenko come from?
      Say an article ... I wrote and will write articles about these dumbheads. They do not deserve serious articles.
      When all this cats started, I wrote that they would pay for a "banquet" for a very long time. Moreover, those who were now celebrating billions in profits would pay, but those who were sitting in a hut and watching TV. I did not forget “Chlorets need to drive” from my friend of that time. And did not forget the burned in Odessa.
      And I also know what the Ukrainian war is. I didn’t write articles there. I was engaged in a slightly different matter, unlike you.
      1. Banshee
        15 October 2015 09: 16 New
        +16
        Quote: domokl
        The author, you think about what you write.


        First, there are two of us. And it seems to be seen. And secondly - what country, such and articles, I will support my colleague.
        1. iConst
          iConst 15 October 2015 10: 47 New
          +14
          Quote: Banshee
          And secondly - which country, such articles, ....
          - I doubt that whole country reads VO. Visitors read, most (probably) are registered on the forum.
          So is this an assessment of the local forum contingent? Or didn’t I understand the thought?

          Sorry, the article was much better. Under-salted, under-peeled - LFM (personal private opinion).

          The only objection is that the roof in Ukraine did not go off — it was swept away by a hurricane.
          Nothing to fix - either live without a roof or build a new one. Old not to return.
          1. lukke
            lukke 15 October 2015 12: 55 New
            +8
            "The article, I'm sorry - there were a lot better. Unsalted, underperformed - LFM (personal private opinion)."
            I would say: they wanted to oskor..t Ukraine, but oskor..li (as an unfortunate occasion turned up) Zaporizhzhya Sich without bringing any arguments to his words, probably from ignorance. Too lazy to pick the primary sources - read Taras Bulba)
            And here is this quote from the article: “On the eve of the new holiday, Defender of Ukraine Day (only it’s not clear who the defender is from),”
            And in Russia, as the Holiday of February 23 is now called?! ...

            I did not understand the article .......
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 15 October 2015 19: 45 New
              +3
              Combat deputy fagot to the half-bandit and free Sich no sideways, just on the old faults Kolomoisky began to pit people.
              The article is actually harmful, and pulls on the article. Right from the first paragraph.

              And what has long been the caricatures of the "Dnepropetrovsk"?
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        2. Aqela
          Aqela 16 October 2015 10: 54 New
          +1
          Well, in view of the fact that most of the population of the Zaporizhzhya Sich was relocated to the Kuban and the Terek, most of the comments are empty business; the mountain gave birth to a mouse. Pichalka. I expected something better from the authors. no sad In addition, the argumentation is weak, without specificity, so some separate expressions without objection. sad
          From myself - neither a minus nor a plus.
          Although, of course, the unification of the Protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary and the day of the creation of the UPA under one roof is a mar.azm, of course. fool am
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      4. a housewife
        a housewife 15 October 2015 23: 53 New
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        Sorry, not KOTOVASIA, but KATAVASIA. A KHLTsAM a typo. In general, the article says only one thing - the story in Khokhlyatsk is simply nonsense. Why so many words?
  2. svp67
    svp67 15 October 2015 06: 09 New
    +8
    When there is nothing to be proud of, "this" just needs to be invented, and most importantly, shout louder about "this" in a louder ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2015 06: 34 New
      +6
      to all the other "virtues" of the Ukrainian army, we include "exclusively" masterful piloting of the "Litaks" ...
    2. bocsman
      bocsman 15 October 2015 08: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      When there is nothing to be proud of, "this" just needs to be invented, and most importantly, shout louder about "this" in a louder ...

      The world still does not really know the story of Co-Ozachestvo. Do you know the Dead Sea? It was they who killed him!
    3. stas52
      stas52 15 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      When there is nothing to be proud of, "this" just needs to be invented, and most importantly, shout louder about "this" in a louder ...

      The most ridiculous and sad at the same time is that they have something to be proud of, but they everywhere refuse this story of their own, so they have to come up with a new one.
    4. Scraptor
      Scraptor 15 October 2015 19: 36 New
      -1
      Normal do not feel such a need.
      1. viktor_ui
        viktor_ui 16 October 2015 06: 39 New
        0
        bocsman - “Do you know the Dead Sea? It was they who killed him!” ... And the Aral Sea ??? In the beginning, they took Arali for a long time before him, and then DRINKED until they finished drinking, but there is still time for waiting for the completion of this change ... God forgive me, but the deeds of some of your sheep who are lost are wonderful. Amen.
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 15 October 2015 07: 07 New
    +30
    As for the images of the Cossacks on tombstones and coats of arms - it's true. But some uncomfortable, perhaps ...
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 15 October 2015 07: 08 New
      +7
      And so, they helped the knights:
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 15 October 2015 07: 11 New
        +10
        And this is how they thanked Kozakov ... By the way, so that there are no questions - these are the coats of arms of two Hungarian and Serbian cities, I didn’t come up with.
        1. erg
          erg 15 October 2015 07: 29 New
          +9
          These are not images of Cossacks. Similarly, in European heraldry, in particular in Eastern Europe, Turks and only Turks were depicted. In the Hungarian arms, in general, there are often plots reminiscent of their struggle with the Ottomans.
          1. Comrade Bender
            Comrade Bender 15 October 2015 10: 01 New
            +8
            But the Cossacks in Europe and perceived as Turks, according to their savagery and robberies of civilians.
            1. lukke
              lukke 15 October 2015 13: 01 New
              +4
              "But the Cossacks in Europe and perceived as Turks, according to their savagery and robberies of civilians"

              Well, pepper is clear, where is there the Cossacks before the enlightened Europe? !!! They are in the temples like the French in 1812 did not cf .. if they didn’t arrange stables ?! But they just came, all bent down to those who attended, and reached Paris!
              Write about escho cossacks! very interesting. Especially when they are equated with the Ottomans ...
              1. Comrade Bender
                Comrade Bender 15 October 2015 13: 18 New
                +5
                And they were equated, until they began to serve the good of Russia. Read N. Ulyanov's "The Origin of Ukrainian Separatism", maybe then change your irony and sarcasm. Knowledge is a great power, however.)
                1. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 15 October 2015 19: 43 New
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                  But he generally has reason. Often you need to look back at yourself.
                  The same Peter the first was a psychotic fagot who spoiled everything around him and dressed a soldier in a woman’s, and also introduced the right of the first night to the landowners in Russia. But you could not know about this?

                  And stockings-wigs, pigtails, shoes, tights, powder-bukly and women’s camisoles as a military uniform - not to notice?
                  Where so before the Ukrainians with their Ukrainians ... wassat
                  In the Kuban, Ukrainians and runaway Old Believers preferred to change from Polovtsian to Circassian, only_by_ne_this !!! laughing
                  1. a housewife
                    a housewife 16 October 2015 00: 05 New
                    +2
                    Everything you listed in those days by women looked different! Take an interest in the history of the costume! As for the Kuban Cossacks, they took a suit from the Circassians and slightly altered it in their own way, because it is beautiful and comfortable, especially in the mountains. What do men now go to? In a very boring and uncomfortable suit: shirt, trousers, jacket, tie. Why such monotony in a European suit is not in the know. All variations are insignificant, all innovations are not at all able to do away with this kosyumchik. The Great French Revolution “leveled” everyone with clothes, perhaps this is her only long-lasting achievement! Well, at least women haven’t reached that point.
                    1. Scraptor
                      Scraptor 16 October 2015 10: 15 New
                      -2
                      Quote: housewife
                      Everything you listed in those days by women looked different!

                      So seiyas should look differently.
                      This is for women, because ... almost all lesbians with dogs were also needed for different things.
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          2. xan
            xan 16 October 2015 12: 09 New
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            Quote: erg
            These are not images of Cossacks.

            How not when yes! There is pride and a hallmark of every Cossack - a sedentary man on his bald head!
            1. erg
              erg 16 October 2015 18: 37 New
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              Their pride can be anything and on their bald head they can have what they want. Only in Europe they did not know about it and in a similar way depicted the Turks, and not only in the arms. Maybe in those days the Turks also wore forelocks. Hungarians know better. They then communicated with them more often.
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 15 October 2015 07: 23 New
    +1
    The author forgot about the Black Sea and the Caucasus.
  5. Name
    Name 15 October 2015 07: 25 New
    +13
    "If you are a Cossack, then there will be no hell for you. God only does what he pulls stupid Cossacks by the hair into paradise."- for sure, it’s worth adding paradise to the “civilized” ...
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 15 October 2015 09: 53 New
      +1
      All this is very sad, but most likely it is the future emblem of the Ukrainian community.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 15 October 2015 07: 38 New
    +8
    Posted by Domokl, Banshee... They did not bring another phrase from this article, it was written there that the hetmans and Cossacks traveled a lot around the world ... That's where the dog rummaged .. A subtle hint that, with the great geographical discoveries, they say, that’s not all simply...
    Aztekov conquered Efim Kortechuk, the Incas Fedor Pissarenko .. Efim Mogila .. He went on his first voyage around the world .. on submarines .. smile
    But seriously, the manuscript came from our Athanasius Nikitin .. Walking across the three seas .. but the hetmans and Cossacks traveling across the world did not leave the literary heritage ..
    1. Banshee
      15 October 2015 09: 18 New
      +3
      So they could not write. Pure oral creativity.
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 15 October 2015 07: 40 New
    +7
    Speaking of Cossacks ... Recently I saw.
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  8. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 October 2015 08: 01 New
    +5
    It turns out that the old cartoons "like Cossacks ....." speak of the old one’s tenacity. The hoof has already been seen. Joking, laughing is easier than thinking. I think that under the Soviet Government for some reason they didn’t think of them. Article +++++. Thank you. It's a pity the photo did not happen. It seems like a monument in Paris, where a man with a forelock together with a black man pulls a cart with the king. Something like that somewhere else. ..And they are not enough .... Do they really think that the geyrops do not know this?
    The thought came ---- the organs of humanity are needed in Europe from Ukraine, and whole Ukrainians with a brain are not needed.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2015 08: 04 New
    +1
    Whatever the child would entertain, if only he would not cry. The bad news is that they rewrote their "history" for themselves with an emphasis on progeny and exclusivity.
  10. bya965
    bya965 15 October 2015 08: 06 New
    +13
    Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, they have a lot of show-offs, but they could not defend their territory. These Cossacks were on the Kulikovo field, then they stayed in Arkhangelsk and served on the border princedom in Ryazan. They took Azov three times, mastered Siberia and Alaska. We were in Berlin three times, in Paris they crossed the Seine naked. 150 years ago they made a rustle in Central Asia. The Caucasus is a separate issue. Kuban people were honored at the Victory Parade to go with elements of national clothing.

    And most importantly, Cossacks (unlike the Cossacks) order more Germans like.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 15 October 2015 19: 57 New
      +3
      Kuban are the same Cossacks! fellow E-2 relocated.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 16 October 2015 00: 09 New
        +2
        First, take a look at the history of the Kuban !!!
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      3. bya965
        bya965 16 October 2015 07: 34 New
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        Quote: Scraptor
        Kuban are the same Cossacks! fellow E-2 relocated.

        Partly yes. Since the origin of the Cossacks is unknown (about a dozen versions), then
        I personally (my father was a Cossack son, and I have a canine tail) incline that Cossacks are Ost-Goths. This is evidenced, for example, by their national clothes + Tour Heyerdahl conducted excavations on the Don and believed that the ancient civilization of Asgard was located there.
        Naturally, now the Cossacks are mainly Slavs, Russians by blood. Especially when they became related with the Russians after the Battle of Kulikovo.
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кубанские_казаки
        The first of them is the Kuban Regiment, its members were descendants of the Don and Volga Cossacks who moved to the middle Kuban immediately after the Kuban became part of Russia in the 1780s. Initially, it was planned to relocate most of the Don army, but this decision caused a storm of protests in the Don, and then Anton Golovaty suggested that the Black Sea men leave Budzhak for the Kuban in 1790.

        The second is the Khopery regiment, this group of Cossacks originally lived between the Khoper and Medveditsa rivers since 1444. After the uprising of Bulavin in 1708, the land of the Cossacks was almost cleared by Peter I. Some of the Bulavins who left for the Kuban formed the first rogue Cossacks - the Nekrasov Cossacks, who later left for the Balkans and then to Turkey. Despite the actual cleansing of Khopr, in 1716 the Cossacks who were involved in the Northern War returned there, and after a pardon from the Voronezh governor, they were allowed to build the Novokhopyorsk fortress. For half a century Khopersky regiment has grown again. In the summer of 1777, during the construction of the Azov-Mozdok line, the hopher Cossacks were resettled in the Middle Caucasus, where they fought against Kabarda and founded the fortress of Stavropol. In 1828, after the conquest of the Karachais, they settled on the upper Kuban. They were part of the first Russian expedition to Elbrus in 1829.

        After the formation of the Kuban army in 1860, his seniority was borrowed from the hopper Cossacks as the oldest. In 1696, hopers distinguished themselves during the capture of Azov during the Azov campaigns of Peter I.
  11. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 15 October 2015 08: 09 New
    +10
    Well, yes, knights. Then Catherine 2 dispersed this mess called Zaporozhye Sich quickly. Zadolbali everyone and everything. To get drunk and to buzz the masters were still those. Duck Enti Knights did not give plunder to Turkey for permanent residence. Elite pancake Khokhlostan.
  12. Irbis
    Irbis 15 October 2015 08: 27 New
    +1
    As for the characteristic hairstyle and mustache of the Ukrainian knights, it is said that the Cossacks inherited them from pagan ancestors. The tradition of shaving the head and face was transferred from the local tribes of Kievan Rus and eventually came to the Cossacks. Historians say that the ancient Slavs have no god with a beard or long hair, therefore, this image was considered divine for a long time. Although there is another legend that the Cossacks considered themselves too sinful for paradise. Therefore, when they go to hell, God can have mercy on them and pull them by the hair.

    Something it reminds :-) Wahhabi that you do not commit on earth, saying "Allah akbar!" at the time of death you will go to heaven. Actually why they scream these words without stopping. The only thing that can prevent this is if a woman has overwhelmed you. In this case, no chance. And then I don’t need to say anything, I shaved, the oselededee (like so called) left everything ... You’ll get you by the hair and pull it out.
  13. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 15 October 2015 08: 30 New
    0
    Do not laugh at the wretched. What else can they brag about, if not by KOZAZami? Which apparently from the word KOZA :)
  14. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 October 2015 08: 57 New
    +8
    You can and should laugh at the "Svidomo" people, but who will "laugh" at our "top", who allowed this bacchanalia, this "bunch" of oligarchs who "muddied" the Maidan and brains of Ukrainians, to be stolen from our gas in Ukraine?
  15. Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 15 October 2015 09: 07 New
    +3
    What is the material basis for the existence of the Sich?
    They did not plow the land. When to plow then. Crafts maybe what were?
    There were pirate states in the 16th century. Tortuga, Madagascar. Well, it’s clear where the gold is from.
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 15 October 2015 15: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Cap.Morgan
      What is the material basis for the existence of Sich? They did not plow the earth. When to plow then. Crafts maybe what were?

      Of course, only the robbery of their neighbors, including those Cossacks who did not elect their chieftain, hetman. It seems that they did not disdain fishing if on the lower Dnieper they were allowed to do this by the Crimean Tatars, by extraction of salt, saltpeter.
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  16. alex74nur
    alex74nur 15 October 2015 09: 35 New
    +6
    Even Catherine the Great Cossacks from the Zaporizhzhya section moved to the Kuban, so they then became the founders of the Kuban Cossack army. And in Ukraine there are all sorts of garbage from which the current Cossacks of Ukraine lead their pedigree.
    1. lukke
      lukke 15 October 2015 13: 08 New
      +8
      they not only joined the Kuban Army - some left (about 5000 sabers) at the mouth of the Danube on the Ottoman lands and founded the Trans-Danube Sich. Part of the Don Army, part of the Azov and Tersk. They told some ... But I’m sure of one thing - they didn’t leave for Lviv and Ivano-Frankivsk)))
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 October 2015 09: 45 New
    +5
    October 14 is the day of the Ukrainian rebel army. Acronym DUPA.
    1. combat192
      combat192 15 October 2015 10: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: vladimirvn
      DUPA

      DUPA translated from Ukrainian - literally Zh O P A. (for those who do not know)
    2. Alex77
      Alex77 15 October 2015 14: 04 New
      +1
      Peerlessly said !!!! wink
      1. LvKiller
        LvKiller 15 October 2015 21: 15 New
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        Here's what is even more incomparable: after the cries of Khokhluyev that Russia offends IS, ukrobalagan was called by analogy with their bearded brothers - UG. They think that this is the "Ukrainian state", but this abbreviation in the Russian language has only one correct meaning - Dull G, which is fully confirmed by reality.
  18. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 October 2015 10: 18 New
    +1
    So, I used to write an article about the genius of ukrov, there is a piggy pig, ---- during the time we repented and searched for the truth, --- Ukrainians created a new story for themselves and Russia, established themselves in it, hated Russia fiercely, gathered their tenacity , rallied against Russia! They will never give up their imagined greatness, because they don’t have anything else!
  19. Sargaras
    Sargaras 15 October 2015 10: 55 New
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    And the author did not mention that Alexander the Great is actually the Ukrainian hetman Oleksandr or Oles. It was he who smashed the Persians, and not some Greek there.
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  21. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 October 2015 12: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Cap.Morgan
    What is the material basis for the existence of the Sich?
    They did not plow the land. When to plow then. Crafts maybe what were?
    There were pirate states in the 16th century. Tortuga, Madagascar. Well, it’s clear where the gold is from.

    There was a very good, big, serious article about their lives, customs, everyday incomes. This year. How they lived in kopans and. Etc. I was not registered then and cannot be found now. I used to, when VIY last watched, did not understand much from everyday life. The article explained. And in the film, tenacity is well shown. And the authors - except for the Russian Federation --- there are many who are much before the Maidan.
    Quote: kartalovkolya
    You can and should laugh at the "Svidomo" people, but who will "laugh" at our "top", who allowed this bacchanalia, this "bunch" of oligarchs who "muddied" the Maidan and brains of Ukrainians, to be stolen from our gas in Ukraine?

    This connivance and sedition under the Soviet regime began. Why? Which territories did you give away!? When I registered, at first, in August, the poem wrote “It’s good to be a tailor” Although it doesn’t explain anything.
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 15 October 2015 15: 36 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      This connivance and sedition under the Soviet regime began. Why? Which territories have given.!

      According to someone’s recollections, Lenin decided to release Finland for free bread in 1906.
      Lenin most likely created the borders of Ukraine at the expense of Russia in his head in the summer of 1917 at spill, from newspaper articles about Ukrainian universals, and it’s clear that like them according to the statistics of the 1897 census.
      He no longer bother with borders, which is confirmed by his position from the very beginning of the fall of 1917. He needed only Socialist Ukraine, and not the bourgeois UPR. In Brest, he refused both that and that, but then he remembered again about Ukraine, after the 1st World War.
  22. Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 15 October 2015 12: 39 New
    +8
    I understand that now it’s FASHIONABLE to sow Ukraine, as, however, Russia is in Ukraine. But what does the Cossacks, including Zaporozhye. Firstly, those who consider Zaporizhzhya Cossacks to be Ukrainians repeat svidomo nonsense, since Cossacks for starters are not a sign of nationality, but just an estate that included representatives of various nationalities, including of Turkic origin. Secondly, during the time of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks there was no state of Ukraine, the Zaporozhye Cossacks, like the Don Cossacks, are our common ancestors, therefore laughing at them is at least disrespectful in relation to our own history. Finally, much that the authors laugh at is actually true, unless of course all svidomo husks are discarded.
    1. PROHOJIY
      PROHOJIY 15 October 2015 13: 20 New
      +3
      And why would we need to slander Ukraine? There is no such desire.
      I would generally like, as before Maidan, it would seem to know that somewhere there is such Ukraine, but not to have to remember it more often than once a year. For its problems enough.
      And about a laugh ... So you can and at yourself. We also drink vodka from samovars with polar bears and bask in personal reactors.
    2. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 15 October 2015 15: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Nikolai K
      I understand that now it’s FASHIONABLE to sow Ukraine, as, however, Russia is in Ukraine. But what does the Cossacks, including Zaporozhye.

      Most likely, the Uniate central part of Ukraine is ridiculed, and no one can be convinced that they are not Cossacks.
      The Kozaks of the lower Dnieper were only Orthodox, and they didn’t allow any Uniatchina, because at that time they were not yet “tollirate”.
    3. svp67
      svp67 16 October 2015 16: 00 New
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      Quote: Nikolai K
      Firstly, those who consider Zaporizhzhya Cossacks to be Ukrainians repeat svidomo nonsense, since Cossacks for starters are not a sign of nationality, but just an estate that included representatives of various nationalities, including of Turkic origin.

      Upon admission to the Cossacks, a person was obliged to accept ORTHODOXY, in the passports of the Russian Empire there was no column of nationality, but there was a religion.
      Quote: Nikolai K
      Secondly, during the time of Zaporizhzhya Cossacks there was no state of Ukraine

      There was no independent state, but such a concept, to indicate a certain locality, already existed, moreover, in the official documents of the Commonwealth.
  23. Orlenok ILLI4A
    Orlenok ILLI4A 15 October 2015 13: 14 New
    +1
    Smiled, the authors of the ATP.
  24. Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 15 October 2015 13: 15 New
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    Yes, in Malta there is a figure of a man with a sedentary man, only he depicts a slave who is trampled underfoot!
  25. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 October 2015 13: 26 New
    +1
    I know some tragic events in history, about the Cossacks. It’s just that the article is about the present day, about those people who either mumbled on Danbas or sent their sons there, or received parcels from the loot. .
    Or didn’t want to know about it.
  26. Naval
    Naval 15 October 2015 13: 45 New
    +6
    The Cossack army of Zaporizhzhya was organizedly relocated to the Kuban and Terek, where they became the foundation on which the Russian Cossacks defended the borders of the empire from the southern directions. Yes, and relocated because they performed their function, Turkey was supplanted, and Crimea was conquered. Therefore, to mock the Cossacks, it is to mock the ancestors of Tertsev and Kuban, and there were never Cossacks in Galicia, but there were Cossacks, a footman was a synonym for this word, and, as always, the little souls try to ascribe all the glory to themselves, because it’s a shame to know that the ancestors shoes and frock coats were read, stuffed pipes and looked after the dressings of the Polish gentry. In general, it’s not a sin to count Taras Bulba ...
    1. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 15 October 2015 15: 59 New
      +2
      Here, probably, the decisive role was played by the fact that the autonomy agreement of the Pereyaslav Rada did not affect the territory of the Lower Dnieper, which Poland subsequently refused in 1686.
      It turned out that these lands were not bound by an autonomy agreement and became Russian lands and were included in the composition of New Russia, which had legal grounds.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 16 October 2015 00: 29 New
      +2
      Nothing is clear! That's right, many at least Taras Bulba need to re-read. Zaporozhye may have played some role in the eternal skirmishes with the Poles and other Europeans, but it was still a natural robber's nest. There were no troops, there was a crowd, obsessed with rumors, booty. Personal courage was famous. And what did they call ordinary peasants? His own Ukrainians? Buckwheat. And they despised those who simply worked, and did not make raids in response to the same raids on the other hand. Ordinary people suffered everywhere. Catherine correctly relocated them. The power section was completely unnecessary; there were only problems from it. And in the Kuban, their courage and recklessness was required. And we had to cultivate the land ourselves. Buckwheat no. And involuntarily you will defend your villages! But then, in addition to the resettled Cossacks, the Cossacks identified soldiers, Black Sea sailors, and peasants resettled by lot from other regions of Russia. Therefore, to say that the Kubans are the same Cossacks is wrong. They made up only the first wave of Russian settlement of the Kuban. And even later a “nonresident” population was added, not consisting of Cossacks. And when all these Ukrainians are barking that the Kuban will be taken away from Russia, it’s funny for us here! Who are they?!!! Inhumans.
  27. domokl
    domokl 15 October 2015 14: 18 New
    +3
    Laughing comments. Especially historical excursions. Have you guys read the full article? the beginning, then the middle and then the end?
    We set out Ukrainian views on the Cossacks and their role in the history of Ukraine and the world. This is not an excursion into the history of the Cossacks. By the way, one of the authors in the ancestors also has Cossacks. bully
    1. Oznob
      Oznob 15 October 2015 18: 47 New
      +2
      Yes, everything seems to be clear. They were one country, and now we share our ancestors. Shit on the soul.
      1. LvKiller
        LvKiller 15 October 2015 21: 12 New
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        The bottom line is that the "Ukrainian" is not a nationality, it is a sect. "Ukrainians" are Vlasovites of the Russian clan. Read lips: p.r.e.d.a.t..e.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 16 October 2015 05: 03 New
          +1
          Are you talking about Kozhedub, you bastard? laughing
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  28. Gur
    Gur 15 October 2015 14: 30 New
    +3
    It is sinful to laugh at sick people, this is with regards to the recent history of Ukraine and the research of ukrohistorikov. But alas, here, too, they are not ahead of the rest of the planet, now all post-Soviet republics suffer from this crap. And they suffer not just as much, but sometimes much more inventively than Ukrainians. But here about the Cossacks or Cossacks bullying and all nonsense I think that is not appropriate here. Yes there was a freemen, but sometimes they served where it is more profitable. but nevertheless there were Orthodox (or rather faithful peasants) and for faith and later for the fatherland, they performed quite a few feats, and laid down lives and shielded the country from contempt and added it to its territories.
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    2. Captain nemo
      Captain nemo 15 October 2015 16: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: GUR
      and they laid down their lives, and from reproach, they covered the country and added its territories

      Without Russia, one cannot speak of any additions to the territories independently. Only defense and their attacks on the neighbors. Not specifically, in the Russo-Turkish War until 1791, the functions of the goat were reduced mainly to the rear supply because on the Left Bank there were warehouses with weapons, food, etc., and the protection of convoys of the Russian Army. The largest participation of the Ukrainian Cossacks was noted during the assault of Ochakov, there were two of them, but out of the total, no more than 10% of all the assaulting Ochakov.
      Volhynia, Podolia, the Right Bank rested under Polish neutrality, and Galicia under the Austrian so far was the Russo-Turkish war for the Northern Black Sea coast.
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      2. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 15 October 2015 17: 47 New
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        At the end of the 18 century, the Cossacks finally lost their freemen and turned into a service class. They fought where they ordered.
  29. Arkan
    Arkan 15 October 2015 16: 43 New
    -7
    Cossacks, Kozaki, DOGS. Ukrainians, the essence of cow cakes.
  30. Oznob
    Oznob 15 October 2015 18: 40 New
    +3
    There is a version that the sedentary was a distinctive sign of an experienced fighter. Even before the advent of the Cossacks.
    Let me remind you. A few years after the dissolution of the Sich Zaporizhzhya Sich (with the mediation of the last ataman of the AP, buried in Solovki), the Cossacks of the AP made an offer to recapture the Kuban from the Turks and Circassians, as a reward - the land. Thus was born the Kuban Cossacks. This is a common story, men.
  31. Wii
    Wii 15 October 2015 19: 19 New
    -3
    The donkey was torn off by the Polish gentry .....
  32. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 15 October 2015 19: 50 New
    +3
    ☆☆ CAPTAIN NEMO ☆☆ Thank you for the information. Somehow recently with the Internet .... something is wrong. And somehow the order and time of the comments are changing. Without seeing the answer I am writing another.
    My father has ancestors - ancient Cossack families, generations defended the frontiers of the Russian Empire, as my mother-in-law told my mother. Father early in another world ... Difficult destinies.
  33. kvs207
    kvs207 15 October 2015 20: 43 New
    +2
    Quote: Naval
    The Cossack army of Zaporizhzhya was organizedly relocated to the Kuban and Terek, where they became the foundation on which the Russian Cossacks defended the borders of the empire from the southern directions. Yes, and relocated because they performed their function, Turkey was supplanted, and Crimea was conquered. Therefore, to mock the Cossacks, it is to mock the ancestors of Tertsev and Kuban, and there were never Cossacks in Galicia, but there were Cossacks, a footman was a synonym for this word, and, as always, the little souls try to ascribe all the glory to themselves, because it’s a shame to know that the ancestors shoes and frock coats were read, stuffed pipes and looked after the dressings of the Polish gentry. In general, it’s not a sin to count Taras Bulba ...


    There are sources that are more authoritative than, undoubtedly, Gogol’s wonderful novel. And here is what is written in them:
    "1767. The Cossacks, together with the Gaidamaks, ravaged the Russian Ukrainian towns and completely cut Uman.
    1775 August 3. The Zaporizhzhya Sich and the very name of the Zaporozhye Cossacks were destroyed, and their lands were annexed to the Novorossiysk and Azov governorates. Part of the Zaporozhtsev went to Turkey and settled first between Ruschuk and Silistria, and then in the present Dubruja, establishing the “New (third) Sich”. (1 p. S. Z. XX. 14354).
    1783 year. Potemkin summoned the Cossacks who remained in Russia to the service and founded an army called "Kosh of the faithful Cossacks of Zaporizhzhya." (Ist. Op. Od. And voor. R. century of vol. IV). "
    Adapted from the Brief Chronicle of Cossack Troops
  34. LvKiller
    LvKiller 15 October 2015 21: 09 New
    +1
    And who told the Ukrainians that the Cossacks were “Ukrainians” in the modern sense of the word? The most amazing thing is that all the limitrophs have practically appropriated someone else's story. With impunity.
  35. palm
    palm 15 October 2015 23: 10 New
    +1
    The Cossacks did not rob Jews. Because they considered them to be low-class people. One of the conditions for Ukraine to enter Russia was the eviction of all Jews from Ukraine. Jews in the speech of the Commonwealth actively traded usury by the latter led to the impoverishment of the Cossacks .. By analogy, about how to remove the slot machines.
  36. andrew42
    andrew42 16 October 2015 18: 43 New
    0
    Something the author reported. What is the article about? What did the author want to say? - Fraud from scratch. There is nothing to laugh at, so no need to squeeze out laughter. At least kazachestvo, at least kozachestvo, is an integral part of the Russian military tradition, from the depths of centuries, whatever one may say. The fact that now anti-Russian forces are hiding and speculating with this is such a technique. The substitution of concepts is called. With the Swastika, an ancient bright solar symbol, such a story has already been done by the Nazis. Or the author did not hear such a spawn? As for the characters, the author seems to be completely unaware of what this concept is. Otherwise, I would beware of mocking like a stupid teenager. Sich - was a normal military organization. BOE-VA-I! Not civil, no one there to plow / sow / graze was not originally intended. What times, such and forms are in demand. According to the logic of the authors, after ROA, we should, fu-fu, stop calling ourselves Russian. In general, a nasty article.