Country 404. Who has not investigated the Boeing disaster? Plan in the third room!

Not always the one who speaks the first is close to the truth or the high art of understanding. And in the last rows too uncomfortable. And yet, I also really want to say a few words about the epic farce, called the "investigation." The investigation led all and sundry. And they led him in their own, completely incomprehensible to specialists, laws. In violation of all the norms and common truths. In simple terms, they were led the way the “left foot” wanted. Just because the head in this process hardly participated.




However, how much string does not curl, the end always "flies" on the sly ... where it falls. And to the international community (who I am, to be honest, I don’t really imagine), I had to provide at least something that had been worked out for as many 15 months.

I will not bore my readers by enumerating the conclusions for this very international community. I am sure that only the deaf and dumb did not hear and did not see these materials. And from people who really know and understand the essence of the matter. I am more interested in the conclusions that were made personally for Ukraine.

It does not sound funny, but this is the case. Adult readers, those who remember the Olympics in Moscow, have not forgotten a series of cartoons about Baba Yaga. Short such cartoons, in which the ending was always the same. The whole world is for, but Baba Yaga is against. Here Baba Yaga is Square. Against and all!

So, let's take a look at the Ukrainian version of the disaster report from the Netherlands Security Council and the International Group of Experts. Immediately I apologize to the readers for some nonsense and inconsistencies, but this is not my point of view. These are conclusions, I repeat, for Ukraine and Ukrainians. So send claims exactly there.

What do Ukrainians agree with? Well, first of all with the fact that the plane was shot down by a rocket from the ground. That same rocket that launched the Beech. Why so quickly and without a rant about the Russian trail? Yes, just did not occur to anyone the version that the plane was Russian. The only version is the Ukrainian aircraft. Even the name of the pilot is known.

Why we do not dispute this version? Also clear. There are no stop facts, and conjectures are now more terrible than the most stupid inventions. Just the facts. And the experiment of the Russian company has shown that this is the most likely scenario.

Further, however, a somewhat controversial conclusion, but not particularly important for investigation.

"At the same time, the investigation categorically rejected all other versions: neither the meteor, nor the fighter, no other weapon could not cause the crash of the flight MH17.

Immediately after the rocket hit the nose of the aircraft, many metal fragments separated from it, this led to the death of three crew members, and the passengers died instantly.

Although the exact launch site in the report was not named, the experts clarify that, most likely, the rocket was fired from the territory already occupied by the so-called Donetsk People's Republic. "


I hope the readers noticed the first, but a significant difference between the Ukrainian version and the Dutch one. And all the more from the conclusions of the Russian company. The rocket, it turns out, was definitely released from the territory of the DPR. Here, though not in the subject, but I will pay attention-the DNI!

Well, then it will be even more fun.

“On the day of the tragedy, July 17, 2014, over the territory where the military conflict unfolded in the Donbass, 160 more flights took place, besides MH17. According to the commission, Ukraine did not assume that for civil aviation there is a threat.

"No one even thought about the threat to civilian aircraft. Neither the state of Ukraine nor the air carriers. Moreover, three more flights were flying alongside this aircraft," said the head of the Netherlands Security Council, Chibbe Jaustra.

"At the same time, Ukraine constantly increased the level of security, prohibiting flying at certain altitudes, because a few weeks before this, military aircraft and helicopters of the Ukrainian army were shot down there."

"No one thought there could be a danger, but the commission concluded that there was a danger."


Did you notice? For inattentive I will clarify. Ukraine did not just care about security. She climbed out of her skin to prevent tragedy. Forbidden to fly low "Boeing". Indicated inadmissibility and so on. Only now for some reason did not close the sky in the danger zone. But for internal use, the Ukrainian authorities are inflating this version to cosmic dimensions.

Then practically the version "for the world community" is repeated. Rocket. Start with "Buka". The explosion near the cabin. Instant death of the crew. That you know and can tell the details even better than me.

The main thing is a rocket! It was the rocket that became the stumbling block of the Ukrainian media. The Russians, as one would expect from an aggressor country, presented it up. We took and stopped releasing these old rockets. And not just stopped, but also banned their use in the Russian army. Even on the teachings. Can explode. But the Ukrainians were not informed about this.

"According to the report, the Boeing-777 was hit by a missile model 9m38m1, the combat part of which is called 9н314m. The missile was released from the" Book MXXUMX "complex and is in service with the Russian army."

Got top secret information? That's the same thing. Russians lie godlessly. They are in service with these rarities. Ukrainians know for sure. It is funny if it were not so sad to read it.

"In the report of the manufacturer" Bukov "concern" Almaz-Antey ", argued that the last such rocket was removed from service and sold to foreigners in 2011 year.

However, this is not the case, these modifications were repeatedly noticed on videos and photos from Russia, moreover, I saw similar missiles in Kamensk-Shakhtinsky of the Rostov Region. From there, weapons were transferred to the separatists in the so-called DNR. Rockets of this type were photographed by Reuters correspondents. "


Here is what the Kiev authorities refer to. All according to the established scheme. Someone somewhere saw something and told about it. True, mean Russians put Ukrainian symbolism on their vehicles and somehow managed to steal cars from Ukrainian territory. But it is not important. The main thing is to refer to. Anyway, 999 people from 1000 will not follow the link. And the one who goes, you can always declare a separatist or an accomplice.

“It is noted that many fragments for analysis were not received immediately and suffered changes while they were in uncontrolled Ukraine. Recall that the militants of the so-called DNR for a long time did not let representatives of the commission to the site of the tragedy.”
"It should be noted that many pieces of debris were not physically reviewed by the Security Council. Within four months, some parts were removed, so it was not possible to get all the wreckage," said journalist Julian Borger.


How do you like this? You did not know what exactly the separatists did not allow to collect debris? Or didn’t they know what exactly they were shooting at themselves, in order not to do this? Or maybe you knew that the separatists handed over the black boxes to the investigation? Bullshit Russian propaganda!

Well, finally, who hit? Guess from once. Right. Militants DNI. And who else?

"The disaster with MN17 was a planned terrorist act that occurred on the territory of the militants from the self-proclaimed DPR"- said Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Gennady Zubko. It's enough. And if to someone it is not enough, and such among readers "IN" I am sure, there will be, then:

"... the zone from which the rocket was launched, according to the report, is 320 square km. To finally determine where the plane was shot down, a separate investigation will be needed.

At the same time, based on the July 2014 battle map of the year, it can be concluded that the complex was located in the territory controlled by the so-called DNR, in the area of ​​Snow. At that moment, namely 17 of July, the Ukrainian army was not in the area. "

It is clear that there is little inquisitive among Ukrainians. Believe it and so. Why stir up old cards? But this issue was discussed at the very beginning of the investigation. Who and where was, at what time. And the Russian MO even posted photos from satellites. But now it is a long past. Almost from the same times when the sea ukry dug.

Hate to read such nonsense? I agree. But even more disgusting that such nonsense falls into the fertile ground zombie ukrogolov. And it is not just growing there, but it leads to dire consequences. You read some "journalists" and you understand that Ukraine is no less dangerous than ISIS. And not only for us. For all! The insult of Ukrainians to Russia is clear. But the resentment of Europeans and Americans will be more interesting.

What will lead to resentment to the whole world? No special mind is needed to understand this. So, it is necessary to strengthen the control over the "Chamber №6". Obviously, the virus "flew off the coils" and clings to more and more goals, speaking on any occasion in the Ukrainian media. The case really begins to smell, if not kerosene, then unmotivated aggression in any direction. So, any crisis phenomena are possible.
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  1. Igor39 15 October 2015 05: 36 New
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    Most importantly, right after the tragedy, all Western officials accused Russia and Putin (personally) of having shot down a Boeing, and now they mumble something evasive after the Dutch investigation, which did not raise any charges against Russia and no one apologized after that. just lies.
    1. dsi
      dsi 15 October 2015 06: 08 New
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      Russia and no one apologized after that

      They do not know how to apologize. Because they don’t know what it is ...
      1. USSR 1971 15 October 2015 07: 22 New
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        Yes and no need to wait for an apology from these n ..... owls. By connecting to the maximum intelligence services and other resources, systematically pull out the truth in God's light. Now nobody needs her, and tomorrow, who knows ...
    2. My doctor 15 October 2015 09: 46 New
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      Quote: Igor39
      now it is evasive that they mumble something after the Dutch investigation, which did not raise any charges against Russia and no one apologized after that. That's just it, lies.

      To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.
      1. Arkon 16 October 2015 20: 35 New
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        To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.


        Almaz-Antey does not say that they were shot down by Buk. He says that if shot down by Beech, it’s not that and not from there. Do you understand the difference?
      2. Arkon 16 October 2015 20: 38 New
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        In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.


        Since when have the results of a full-scale experiment been a "statement"?
    3. Lunic 16 October 2015 03: 55 New
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      No one will apologize. Here, over the hill, the mass media speak of this disaster only as a confirmed fact that the militia (and Russia supporting the militias) was shot down. Already plainly none of the philistine public (here, over the hill) and does not doubt it.
      .. If a person is constantly told that he (retorted: stupid), then he himself will believe in it from time to time.

      Speaking of impressions from the reports: I read and looked at both reports, both from the Dutchman and from Anteyev.
      Стиль изложения у голландцев более доходный и убедительный. У Антеевцев- не очень.
      Learning, you need to correctly express your point of view .. If you want us to be understood in the West, you need to use "their" methods ..
  2. svp67 15 October 2015 05: 47 New
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    So, to make sense
    1. igordok 15 October 2015 08: 49 New
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      I will add, for comprehension.
  3. Myth 15 October 2015 06: 22 New
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    And why is Ukraine’s resentment towards Russia understood? I don’t understand?
    1. svp67 15 October 2015 06: 50 New
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      Quote: Myth
      And why is Ukraine’s resentment towards Russia understood? I don’t understand?

      Because you are not Ukrainian ...
    2. Insurgent LC 15 October 2015 20: 37 New
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      because Ukraine is already crashing down the second passenger plane and goes into complete frost, as they say, impunity gives rise to a crime, it will come down once, and the other western partners will help them to blur glasses they are great specialists in this regard
  4. rotmistr60 15 October 2015 06: 29 New
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    I don’t even want to talk about the ranting of Ukrainian officials. there is a complete clinic. But I would like to say one thing about the investigation - the world has not yet seen such a blatant lie and falsification of facts, moreover, without embarrassment and in the open, when investigating air disasters. Even in Canada, one of the newspapers wrote about that outright lie that poured out on Russia in the first days after the disaster and continues to pour to this day. And the question was asked that the time has come and apologize to many media. But I think that such materials will not reach the mass Western reader.
  5. Yellow 15 October 2015 06: 32 New
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    I don’t understand, what are ours justifying? Is Holland a member of NATO? Shot down and right, nefig fly over our territory.
    1. svp67 15 October 2015 06: 52 New
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      Quote: Yellow
      I don’t understand, what are ours justifying?

      We are not making excuses. We strive to achieve complete clarity in the investigation and achieve intelligible results, and we are very worried that some VERY important facts are either hushed up or “lost” or “blinded” ... It wouldn’t concern us, so if they were there that they wanted to do what they did, but without our responses, they WILL SUCH a SUCH ...
    2. exSUman 15 October 2015 09: 23 New
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      If it turns out that Ukrainians still shot down, then questions will be raised about the legitimacy of imposing sanctions on Russia, about the investigation of the deaths in Odessa and Kiev ... The current Ukrainian government will immediately find itself in the position of liars and will not be able to challenge this, the economic losses of the European Union, someone, too, must reimburse the incurred as a result of the imposition of retaliatory sanctions ... all this will cause the domino effect, the whole harmonious system of lies and pressure will collapse overnight ...
  6. Wolka 15 October 2015 06: 40 New
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    Today, for many, including in the West, it is already obvious that the Malaysian Boeing MN-17 was shot down precisely by the Ukrainian air defense and air forces, that this was a planned action with the goal of involving Russia as deep as possible in the conflict in the Donbas, but Russia didn’t make this bloodthirsty bait pecked, but most importantly, even if the whole world determines who prepared it all and gave the order to implement the plan (there is no point in talking about ordinary performers for obvious reasons), they still will not really punish anyone, and the tribunal will not, Ukraine will still not pay condition, and the Yankees will disregard everything, and who dares to impose any sanctions against the “superpower”, the UN, the EU and the court in The Hague are all nourished and under the hood again, from the Yankees, the world community is clearly not ready to condemn the real culprit all the troubles and conflicts on Earth, but a pity ...
    1. svp67 15 October 2015 06: 59 New
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      Quote: Volka
      today for many, including in the West, it is already obvious that the Malaysian Boeing MN-17 was shot down precisely by the Ukrainian air defense and air forces, that this was a planned action with the aim of involving Russia as deep as possible in the conflict in the Donbas

      The collapse happened RANDOMLY, and what else could we expect from the calculations of those withdrawn to combat positions and who have never practically shot ... Here is the proof of the presence of Ukrainian Bukovs in that area, the day before the disaster

      And here’s the full TA program, watch from 4 min 47 sec
  7. Zomanus 15 October 2015 07: 33 New
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    This tragedy is so entwined with politics,
    that we will never hear a true answer.
    Or we will hear when it loses relevance.
    1. NordUral 15 October 2015 18: 32 New
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      The answer is simple - look to whom it was beneficial.
  8. cniza 15 October 2015 08: 11 New
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    It seems that they are waiting for the moment when everyone, sane, say everything is put on, have forgotten. Alas...
  9. alex74nur 15 October 2015 09: 13 New
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    And what is there on the Censor about this? Is the tribunal of mourners still relevant?
  10. praide 15 October 2015 10: 31 New
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    Quote: USSR 1971
    By connecting to the maximum intelligence services and other resources, systematically pull out the truth in God's light.

    IMHO, the Americans have all the truth, the satellite then hung them at that moment. Yes, the truth is that nobody is interested, interesting benefit.
  11. Nikolay K 15 October 2015 11: 21 New
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    Correct the author. The Dutch concluded that the M1 rocket was due to the damaging butterfly elements found in this particular rocket. Modification of beech with this missile is just in service with Russia and it is not in Ukraine. That is, the fact of recognition that the M1 missile was the culprit of the Boeing catastrophe speaks of the guilt of Russia specifically, regardless of the possible missile launch zone. At the same time, diamond-antei claims to have used the old version of the rocket, discontinued in Russia, but which is in service with Ukraine. They draw these conclusions based on the lack of specific openings on the fuselage of the aircraft. Those. fundamentally the question becomes, were these butterflies or not. The Dutch report says that several elements were found in the body of the ship's commander, who by the way had obvious signs of an unsuccessful autopsy, which could have been an attempt to hide evidence. Unambiguous hint that the moths tried to cut out the very butterflies in order to hide the fact of shelling by a rocket of Russian, not Soviet-made. Another butterfly was found in the power frame of the aircraft. But this story can also be viewed from the other side. But what if those same butterflies are a provocation of the Ukrainian special services seeking to launch an investigation into the “Russian” scenario. After all, the militia transferred the remains to the commission through the representatives of Ukraine. And here the body of the ship’s commander “suddenly” could turn out to be opened, and roughly, and the butterflies were in it. Why did you need an autopsy? And how else do you put the damaging elements inside the body. Therefore, a rough opening is necessary, and not just incisions. And maybe because the international commission does not say anything about the presence of butterflies in other bodies and a rough opening of other bodies. Apparently, it seemed to someone that a ship commander was enough, apparently according to the idea of ​​the authors who personally caught all the butterflies with his body. By the way, diamond-antey confidently stated that the chemical analysis of the presented damaging elements does not correspond to the original. But naturally, no one will conduct an examination, because he even understands that it’s one thing to make elements that are outwardly similar to publicly available images, and it’s another thing to find just such elements (I think someone is right now looking frantically for them). In total, in my opinion, the commission’s report clearly indicates that someone was trying to juggle the evidence in order to shift the blame on Russia. To whom is it profitable and so understandable. I am sure that ours, even if the militia was transported by beech, this was an old Soviet modification, because we are not fools soared. Therefore, diamond-antey so confidently requires the expertise of butterflies, realizing that there should not be any original elements in Ukraine.
    1. Insurgent LC 15 October 2015 21: 15 New
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      я думаю самое интересное нас ждет еще впереди пока только карты тасуются

      Метеорологические условия с 15:00 до 18:00 17.07.2014 в районе города Донецк характеризовались дождями и сплошной облачностью. Маршрут движения пассажирских самолетов проходит выше нижней границы облаков верхнего яруса. На этой высоте возможно образование только перистых облаков. Это отдельные белые волокнистые облака, тонкие и прозрачные, изредка с плотными или хлопьевидными образованиями. Располагаются в виде пучков и полос, идущих через все небо и сходящихся у горизонта. Они хорошо просвечивают небо. Средняя высота нижней границы составляет 7—10 км, толщина от сотен метров до нескольких километров.

      The attack of a combat aircraft with a sharp climb from the cloud layer could have been of a sudden nature to the crew of the Boeing 777. This attack could not be detected visually from the ground due to the dense layer of cloudiness in the middle and lower tiers.

      Thus, it can be stated with a sufficient degree of certainty that the Boeing 777, performing a horizontal flight at an altitude of 10000 meters, could actually be in the zone of destruction of the missile-gun armament of a combat aircraft
      At 17.17–17.20, the Boeing 777 was located in the airspace of Ukraine near the city of Donetsk at an altitude of 10100 m. An unidentified combat plane, which was a flight below, on a heading course in a cloud layer, sharply gained altitude, suddenly appeared from the clouds in front of a civilian aircraft and opened fire on cockpit (cockpit) by firing cannon weapons of 30 mm caliber or smaller. These actions could be performed not only by the pilot of the combat aircraft in the “free hunting” mode (using the airborne radar), but also with the help of a navigation navigator using airborne data from ground-based radars.

      As a result of multiple hits of shells, the cockpit was damaged and its depressurization was abrupt, which led to the instant death of the crew from mechanical stress and decompression. The attack was sudden and lasted a split second, the crew, due to the circumstances, could not give the warning signals set in such cases, since the flight was proceeding normally and no one expected an attack.

      Since neither the engines, nor the hydraulic system, or other devices important for continuing the flight were put out of action, the autopilot-controlled Boeing 777 (which is the normal situation) continued to perform horizontal flight, possibly gradually losing altitude.

      The pilot of an unidentified combat aircraft made a maneuver, Boeing 777 entered the rear hemisphere. After that, an unidentified aircraft lay down on the combat course, the pilot provided target tracking with the onboard equipment of the aircraft, aimed and launched the P – 60 or P – 73 missiles.

      As a result of missiles, the cabin was depressurized, the aircraft control system was violated, the autopilot shut off, the aircraft stopped horizontal flight and went into a tailspin. The resulting overload led to the mechanical destruction of the aircraft glider at high altitudes.

      Самолет, как следует из доступной информации от бортовых самописцев, развалился в воздухе, но это возможно только в случае вертикального падения с высоты в десять тысяч метров, что может произойти только при превышении максимально допустимой перегрузки. Как правило, вариант такого сваливания в штопор — это неспособность экипажа управлять самолетом в результате какого-либо экстренного случая в кабине и последующей моментальной разгерметизацией кабины пилотов и пассажирского салона. Разрушение самолета произошло на большой высоте, что объясняет тот факт, что обломки самолета были рассеяны на территории, превышающей 15 км?.
      1. Insurgent LC 15 October 2015 21: 42 New
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        there was still information that in Nikolaev 2 su-25 scorpions were at the airport but did not fly on combat, the first flight was just 17
        here tth
        The attack aircraft Su-25KM Scorpio, unlike the ancestor, can conduct combat operations day and night.
        The aircraft is equipped with a fundamentally new airborne equipment and an integrated flight-navigation complex.
        In the cockpit - modern multifunction indicators and helmet-mounted target designation system.
        All aircraft electronics meet NATO standards. Scorpion’s weapons are a bizarre mixture of Russian and Western missiles and air bombs, and among them are the most advanced weapons, such as the R-73 missile
        and in perspective, X-31.
        The Su-25 was built at the Tbilisi aircraft factory, which in Soviet times mass-produced the Su-25.
        The Scorpio modernization program provides for equipping Su-25 attack aircraft with a new avionics system in accordance with the glass cocpit technology and meeting ICAO requirements developed by the Israeli company Elbit.
        New avionics significantly expands the capabilities of the aircraft, provides all-weather use, improves flight safety, provides accurate navigation and target designation for weapons.
        The complex is designed to use both Western and Russian weapons. 8 ". HOTAS (Hands-On-Throttle-And-Stick) system has been installed, allowing the pilot to perform many operations without taking his hands off the aircraft and engine control sticks.
        The old display system on the windshield has been replaced with a new one with a front control panel. The complex includes a new navigation system that works both in GPS mode and inertial mode.
        Two new radio stations are installed on the Su-25: UHF and VHF,
        providing secure listening. The equipment kit also includes the helmet-mounted DASH target designation system, also developed by Elbit. From the previous equipment left: radar altimeter,
        fuel sensors and a laser rangefinder-target designator "Maple".
        The missile with GS OE has an optical-electronic matrix operating in the visible range.
        The guidance system of such a missile can be programmed to defeat the most vulnerable elements of the aircraft, for example, the cockpit.
        OE GOS is independent of the thermal radiation of the target; therefore, it can be used for targets that are hardly noticeable in the IR range.

        Optoelectronic GOS are equipped with:

        Rafael Python 5
        technical specifications Python 5 is an air-to-air missile developed by Rafael Armament Development Authority based on Rafael Python 4.
        In 2003, it was first demonstrated at the Le Bourget air show. It is made by the Israeli company Rafael.
        Has a dual-band thermal imaging homing head, digital autopilot. Inertial guidance system allows you to hit targets in any hemisphere.
        Python 5 rocket
        "Python 5 is the most accurate and reliable, as well as one of the most sophisticated guided missiles of the Israeli Air Force."
        This fifth generation rocket is capable of “seeing” the image of the target of attack, and not just one “hot spot” of infrared radiation.
        This makes it possible for a rocket to distinguish an aircraft from infrared countermeasures, which, in turn, allows you to strike at the most vulnerable part of the aircraft, and not just aim at the brightest source of infrared radiation.
        The missile guidance system works in the daytime and at night in the absence of visibility due to cloudiness or smoke, and can hit targets that can perform evasion maneuvers.
        1. Scraptor 19 October 2015 11: 44 New
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          Everything was fun at once and not as in the article ...
          "Antei" assumes that the holes on the fuselage from it were shrapnel and the rocket exploded in the nose (that is, they are the entrance). directly pointing to these holes.
          But the thing is that these are weekend holes from 30mm cannon shells (this is carried by the Su-25, and an airplane of this type supposedly was spotted next to the airliner), and Buck shrapnel makes round holes less than 10mm. Plates - 13mm maximum cuts.
      2. Scraptor 19 October 2015 11: 55 New
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        Behind a little to the right was an attack, 30mm holes weekend ...

  12. Ronino 15 October 2015 12: 03 New
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    It seems to me that no one in the world will hear the arguments of Russia ...
    Какие бы доказательства и факты не были представлены .
    1. Arkon 16 October 2015 20: 44 New
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      Already hear. yes
      Therefore, the text of the Dutch report is so streamlined.
      They do not know what trump cards Russia still has and a little, so to speak, are worried. smile
  13. ivanovbg 15 October 2015 12: 37 New
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    The official version of Holland (and at the same time - Malaysia, Ukraine, the European Union) - damaging elements of the “butterfly” type were found in the bodies of crew members and the power frame of the aircraft and the remains of the 9М38М1 rocket (paint, part of the stabilizer), which prove that it is Russian.

    The stupidest proof is the territory from which the missile launch allegedly occurred. This is a segment of a circle, with a small radius in the west and a large radius in the east. Why did you choose such a completely biased segment of the entire 2,5 x 3,5 km located south of Zaroschenskoye (i.e., entirely in the territory of the DPR). After all, the launch of a rocket could occur from the side or from the rear at the heading of the aircraft. But no, the experts liked just one piece from the belt and that’s it.
  14. Dan Slav 15 October 2015 12: 51 New
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    It can be seen that this is an option of air Kursk. There are no answers, although everything has been investigated.
    It is not beneficial to anyone. Well, Malaysia will survive this. Will have to survive.
    Neither the report nor the tests confirmed anything, but did not refute it either.
    It would be necessary to take a clearly documented investigation of Russia upon itself, but that would be even worse.
  15. Eustace 15 October 2015 13: 10 New
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    The whole situation with the Boeing resembles the tragedy of the death of Kursk. Politics is involved everywhere, and innocent people die. This dirty business is politics. Nobody will blame anyway.
  16. Skalpel 15 October 2015 14: 18 New
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    There is no greater abomination in the world than politics. And there are no more disgusting creatures in the world than politicians trying to pass off black as white .. For the sake of instantaneous political benefits, they do not take into account the lives of peaceful, innocent people. And in this case, we are dealing with how the TECHNICAL aspects of the matter are replaced by POLITICAL Tricks. And where there is politics - do not wait for the truth ...
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    To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.

    You correctly noticed it.
  18. solidus 15 October 2015 15: 37 New
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    The official version of Holland (and at the same time - Malaysia, Ukraine, the European Union) - damaging elements of the “butterfly” type were found in the bodies of crew members and the power frame of the aircraft and the remains of the 9М38М1 rocket (paint, part of the stabilizer), which prove that it is Russian.

    That she is Russian is clear to everyone, except for Russia no one produced them. the question is who took advantage of it.
  19. Arkan 15 October 2015 17: 16 New
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    So, it is necessary to tighten control over the "chamber number 6".


    The amount of chlorpromazine needed to calm the sick is comparable to the sea they dug.
  20. Filxnumx 16 October 2015 07: 07 New
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    now it is evasive that they mumble something after the Dutch investigation, which did not raise any charges against Russia and no one apologized after that. That's just it, lies.

    To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.

    Врачу: исцелися сам! У вас все смешалось в голове за давностью лет. Су-25 ВПС Украины никуда с радарных карт не делся, а вот с летчиком Волошиным что стало тот еще вопрос. А наши отработали версию "Бука", потому что эта версия основная согласно расследования голландцев. И стало быть на сегодня как бы является "общепризнанной". А согласно правил расследования авиационных происшествий комиссия должна была привлечь специалистов разработчика к участию в расследовании, однако "не сочла необходимым". Ибо знают о хлипкости своей версии. Поэтому-то "Алмаз-Антей" и провел самостоятельное расследование. Действовать нужно последовательно и поступательно, что Россия и делает. И всем солидность? В том, что по указке "темного господина" кинулась с пеной у рта доказывать вину России?