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Country 404. Who has not investigated the Boeing disaster? Plan in the third room!

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Not always the one who speaks the first is close to the truth or the high art of understanding. And in the last rows too uncomfortable. And yet, I also really want to say a few words about the epic farce, called the "investigation." The investigation led all and sundry. And they led him in their own, completely incomprehensible to specialists, laws. In violation of all the norms and common truths. In simple terms, they were led the way the “left foot” wanted. Just because the head in this process hardly participated.




However, how much string does not curl, the end always "flies" on the sly ... where it falls. And to the international community (who I am, to be honest, I don’t really imagine), I had to provide at least something that had been worked out for as many 15 months.

I will not bore my readers by enumerating the conclusions for this very international community. I am sure that only the deaf and dumb did not hear and did not see these materials. And from people who really know and understand the essence of the matter. I am more interested in the conclusions that were made personally for Ukraine.

It does not sound funny, but this is the case. Adult readers, those who remember the Olympics in Moscow, have not forgotten a series of cartoons about Baba Yaga. Short such cartoons, in which the ending was always the same. The whole world is for, but Baba Yaga is against. Here Baba Yaga is Square. Against and all!

So, let's take a look at the Ukrainian version of the disaster report from the Netherlands Security Council and the International Group of Experts. Immediately I apologize to the readers for some nonsense and inconsistencies, but this is not my point of view. These are conclusions, I repeat, for Ukraine and Ukrainians. So send claims exactly there.

What do Ukrainians agree with? Well, first of all with the fact that the plane was shot down by a rocket from the ground. That same rocket that launched the Beech. Why so quickly and without a rant about the Russian trail? Yes, just did not occur to anyone the version that the plane was Russian. The only version is the Ukrainian aircraft. Even the name of the pilot is known.

Why we do not dispute this version? Also clear. There are no stop facts, and conjectures are now more terrible than the most stupid inventions. Just the facts. And the experiment of the Russian company has shown that this is the most likely scenario.

Further, however, a somewhat controversial conclusion, but not particularly important for investigation.

"At the same time, the investigation categorically rejected all other versions: neither the meteor, nor the fighter, no other weapon could not cause the crash of the flight MH17.

Immediately after the rocket hit the nose of the aircraft, many metal fragments separated from it, this led to the death of three crew members, and the passengers died instantly.

Although the exact launch site in the report was not named, the experts clarify that, most likely, the rocket was fired from the territory already occupied by the so-called Donetsk People's Republic. "


I hope the readers noticed the first, but a significant difference between the Ukrainian version and the Dutch one. And all the more from the conclusions of the Russian company. The rocket, it turns out, was definitely released from the territory of the DPR. Here, though not in the subject, but I will pay attention-the DNI!

Well, then it will be even more fun.

“On the day of the tragedy, July 17, 2014, over the territory where the military conflict unfolded in the Donbass, 160 more flights took place, besides MH17. According to the commission, Ukraine did not assume that for civil aviation there is a threat.

"No one even thought about the threat to civilian aircraft. Neither the state of Ukraine nor the air carriers. Moreover, three more flights were flying alongside this aircraft," said the head of the Netherlands Security Council, Chibbe Jaustra.

"At the same time, Ukraine constantly increased the level of security, prohibiting flying at certain altitudes, because a few weeks before this, military aircraft and helicopters of the Ukrainian army were shot down there."

"No one thought there could be a danger, but the commission concluded that there was a danger."


Did you notice? For inattentive I will clarify. Ukraine did not just care about security. She climbed out of her skin to prevent tragedy. Forbidden to fly low "Boeing". Indicated inadmissibility and so on. Only now for some reason did not close the sky in the danger zone. But for internal use, the Ukrainian authorities are inflating this version to cosmic dimensions.

Then practically the version "for the world community" is repeated. Rocket. Start with "Buka". The explosion near the cabin. Instant death of the crew. That you know and can tell the details even better than me.

The main thing is a rocket! It was the rocket that became the stumbling block of the Ukrainian media. The Russians, as one would expect from an aggressor country, presented it up. We took and stopped releasing these old rockets. And not just stopped, but also banned their use in the Russian army. Even on the teachings. Can explode. But the Ukrainians were not informed about this.

"According to the report, the Boeing-777 was hit by a missile model 9m38m1, the combat part of which is called 9н314m. The missile was released from the" Book MXXUMX "complex and is in service with the Russian army."

Got top secret information? That's the same thing. Russians lie godlessly. They are in service with these rarities. Ukrainians know for sure. It is funny if it were not so sad to read it.

"In the report of the manufacturer" Bukov "concern" Almaz-Antey ", argued that the last such rocket was removed from service and sold to foreigners in 2011 year.

However, this is not the case, these modifications were repeatedly noticed on videos and photos from Russia, moreover, I saw similar missiles in Kamensk-Shakhtinsky of the Rostov Region. From there, weapons were transferred to the separatists in the so-called DNR. Rockets of this type were photographed by Reuters correspondents. "


Here is what the Kiev authorities refer to. All according to the established scheme. Someone somewhere saw something and told about it. True, mean Russians put Ukrainian symbolism on their vehicles and somehow managed to steal cars from Ukrainian territory. But it is not important. The main thing is to refer to. Anyway, 999 people from 1000 will not follow the link. And the one who goes, you can always declare a separatist or an accomplice.

“It is noted that many fragments for analysis were not received immediately and suffered changes while they were in uncontrolled Ukraine. Recall that the militants of the so-called DNR for a long time did not let representatives of the commission to the site of the tragedy.”
"It should be noted that many pieces of debris were not physically reviewed by the Security Council. Within four months, some parts were removed, so it was not possible to get all the wreckage," said journalist Julian Borger.


How do you like this? You did not know what exactly the separatists did not allow to collect debris? Or didn’t they know what exactly they were shooting at themselves, in order not to do this? Or maybe you knew that the separatists handed over the black boxes to the investigation? Bullshit Russian propaganda!

Well, finally, who hit? Guess from once. Right. Militants DNI. And who else?

"The disaster with MN17 was a planned terrorist act that occurred on the territory of the militants from the self-proclaimed DPR"- said Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Gennady Zubko. It's enough. And if to someone it is not enough, and such among readers "IN" I am sure, there will be, then:

"... the zone from which the rocket was launched, according to the report, is 320 square km. To finally determine where the plane was shot down, a separate investigation will be needed.

At the same time, based on the July 2014 battle map of the year, it can be concluded that the complex was located in the territory controlled by the so-called DNR, in the area of ​​Snow. At that moment, namely 17 of July, the Ukrainian army was not in the area. "

It is clear that there is little inquisitive among Ukrainians. Believe it and so. Why stir up old cards? But this issue was discussed at the very beginning of the investigation. Who and where was, at what time. And the Russian MO even posted photos from satellites. But now it is a long past. Almost from the same times when the sea ukry dug.

Hate to read such nonsense? I agree. But even more disgusting that such nonsense falls into the fertile ground zombie ukrogolov. And it is not just growing there, but it leads to dire consequences. You read some "journalists" and you understand that Ukraine is no less dangerous than ISIS. And not only for us. For all! The insult of Ukrainians to Russia is clear. But the resentment of Europeans and Americans will be more interesting.

What will lead to resentment to the whole world? No special mind is needed to understand this. So, it is necessary to strengthen the control over the "Chamber №6". Obviously, the virus "flew off the coils" and clings to more and more goals, speaking on any occasion in the Ukrainian media. The case really begins to smell, if not kerosene, then unmotivated aggression in any direction. So, any crisis phenomena are possible.
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 15 October 2015 05: 36 New
    +6
    Most importantly, right after the tragedy, all Western officials accused Russia and Putin (personally) of having shot down a Boeing, and now they mumble something evasive after the Dutch investigation, which did not raise any charges against Russia and no one apologized after that. just lies.
    1. dsi
      dsi 15 October 2015 06: 08 New
      +7
      Russia and no one apologized after that

      They do not know how to apologize. Because they don’t know what it is ...
      1. USSR 1971
        USSR 1971 15 October 2015 07: 22 New
        +9
        Yes and no need to wait for an apology from these n ..... owls. By connecting to the maximum intelligence services and other resources, systematically pull out the truth in God's light. Now nobody needs her, and tomorrow, who knows ...
    2. My doctor
      My doctor 15 October 2015 09: 46 New
      -12
      Quote: Igor39
      now it is evasive that they mumble something after the Dutch investigation, which did not raise any charges against Russia and no one apologized after that. That's just it, lies.

      To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.
      1. Arkon
        Arkon 16 October 2015 20: 35 New
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        To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.


        Almaz-Antey does not say that they were shot down by Buk. He says that if shot down by Beech, it’s not that and not from there. Do you understand the difference?
      2. Arkon
        Arkon 16 October 2015 20: 38 New
        +1
        In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.


        Since when are the results of a field experiment a "statement"?
    3. Lunic
      Lunic 16 October 2015 03: 55 New
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      No one will apologize. Here, over the hill, the mass media speak of this disaster only as a confirmed fact that the militia (and Russia supporting the militias) was shot down. Already plainly none of the philistine public (here, over the hill) and does not doubt it.
      .. If a person is constantly told that he (retorted: stupid), then he himself will believe in it from time to time.

      Speaking of impressions from the reports: I read and looked at both reports, both from the Dutchman and from Anteyev.
      The Dutch style of writing is more profitable and convincing. Anteyevtsev- not very.
      Learning is necessary to correctly state your point of view .. If we want the West to understand us, you need to use "their" methods ..
  2. svp67
    svp67 15 October 2015 05: 47 New
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    So, to make sense
    1. igordok
      igordok 15 October 2015 08: 49 New
      +2
      I will add, for comprehension.
  3. Myth
    Myth 15 October 2015 06: 22 New
    +2
    And why is Ukraine’s resentment towards Russia understood? I don’t understand?
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 October 2015 06: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: Myth
      And why is Ukraine’s resentment towards Russia understood? I don’t understand?

      Because you are not Ukrainian ...
    2. Insurgent LC
      Insurgent LC 15 October 2015 20: 37 New
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      because Ukraine is already crashing down the second passenger plane and goes into complete frost, as they say, impunity gives rise to a crime, it will come down once, and the other western partners will help them to blur glasses they are great specialists in this regard
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +7
    I don’t even want to talk about the ranting of Ukrainian officials. there is a complete clinic. But I would like to say one thing about the investigation - the world has not yet seen such a blatant lie and falsification of facts, moreover, without embarrassment and in the open, when investigating air disasters. Even in Canada, one of the newspapers wrote about that outright lie that poured out on Russia in the first days after the disaster and continues to pour to this day. And the question was asked that the time has come and apologize to many media. But I think that such materials will not reach the mass Western reader.
  5. Yellow
    Yellow 15 October 2015 06: 32 New
    -15
    I don’t understand, what are ours justifying? Is Holland a member of NATO? Shot down and right, nefig fly over our territory.
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 October 2015 06: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: Yellow
      I don’t understand, what are ours justifying?

      We are not making excuses. We strive to achieve complete clarity in the investigation and to achieve intelligible results, and we are very annoyed that some VERY important facts are either hushed up, or "lost", or "talked about" ... This matter would not concern us, so let them be there , they did what they wanted and did, but without our response, they will THINK SO ...
    2. exSUman
      exSUman 15 October 2015 09: 23 New
      +6
      If it turns out that Ukrainians still shot down, then questions will be raised about the legitimacy of imposing sanctions on Russia, about the investigation of the deaths in Odessa and Kiev ... The current Ukrainian government will immediately find itself in the position of liars and will not be able to challenge this, the economic losses of the European Union, someone, too, must reimburse the incurred as a result of the imposition of retaliatory sanctions ... all this will cause the domino effect, the whole harmonious system of lies and pressure will collapse overnight ...
  6. Wolka
    Wolka 15 October 2015 06: 40 New
    +9
    today, for many, including in the West, it is already obvious that the Malaysian Boeing MN-17 was shot down by the air defense and the air force of Ukraine, that it was a planned action with the aim of drawing Russia as deeply as possible into the conflict in Donbass, but Russia did not take this bloodthirsty bait pecked, but most importantly, even if the whole world establishes who exactly prepared all this and gave the order to implement the plan (it makes no sense to talk about ordinary performers for obvious reasons) still no one will really be punished, and there will be no tribunal, Ukraine will still not pay state, and the Yankees will get rid of everything, and who dares to apply any sanctions against the "superpower", the UN, the EU, and the court in The Hague, everything is fed up and is under the Yankee cap, the world community is clearly not ready to condemn the real culprit all the troubles and conflicts on Earth, but it's a pity ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 October 2015 06: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: Volka
      today for many, including in the West, it is already obvious that the Malaysian Boeing MN-17 was shot down precisely by the Ukrainian air defense and air forces, that this was a planned action with the aim of involving Russia as deep as possible in the conflict in the Donbas

      The downing happened by RANDOMITY, and what else could be expected from the crews brought to combat positions and practically never fired ... Here is proof of the presence of Ukrainian "Buks" in that area, the day before the disaster

      And here’s the full TA program, watch from 4 min 47 sec
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 October 2015 07: 33 New
    +3
    This tragedy is so entwined with politics,
    that we will never hear a true answer.
    Or we will hear when it loses relevance.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 15 October 2015 18: 32 New
      0
      The answer is simple - look to whom it was beneficial.
  8. cniza
    cniza 15 October 2015 08: 11 New
    +7
    It seems that they are waiting for the moment when everyone, sane, say everything is put on, have forgotten. Alas...
  9. alex74nur
    alex74nur 15 October 2015 09: 13 New
    +1
    And what is there on the Censor about this? Is the tribunal of mourners still relevant?
  10. praide
    praide 15 October 2015 10: 31 New
    +4
    Quote: USSR 1971
    By connecting to the maximum intelligence services and other resources, systematically pull out the truth in God's light.

    IMHO, the Americans have all the truth, the satellite then hung them at that moment. Yes, the truth is that nobody is interested, interesting benefit.
  11. Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 15 October 2015 11: 21 New
    +2
    I will correct the author. The Dutch concluded that there was an M1 missile because of the found "butterfly" striking elements inherent in this particular missile. A beech modification with this missile is in service with Russia and it is not in Ukraine. That is, the very fact of admitting that the M1 missile was the culprit of the Boeing crash speaks of the guilt of Russia specifically, regardless of the possible missile launch zone. At the same time, Almaz-Antey claims to have used an old version of the missile, discontinued in Russia, but in service with Ukraine. They make these conclusions based on the absence of specific holes on the aircraft fuselage. Those. in principle, the question becomes whether these butterflies were or not. The Dutch report says that several elements were found in the body of the ship's commander, who, by the way, had clear signs of an unsuccessful autopsy, which could have been an attempt to hide evidence. An unambiguous hint that the militia tried to cut out the same butterflies in order to hide the fact of firing a Russian-made, not Soviet-made missile. Another butterfly was found in the structural frame of the plane. But this story can be viewed from the other side. But what if those same butterflies are a provocation of the Ukrainian special services seeking to launch an investigation according to the "Russian" scenario. After all, the militia transferred the remains to the commission through the representatives of Ukraine. And here the body of the ship's commander "suddenly" could be opened, moreover, roughly, and the very butterflies appeared in it. Why was the autopsy necessary? And how else do you shove the damaging elements inside the body. Therefore, a rough opening is needed, and not just cuts. And maybe that's why the international commission says nothing about the presence of butterflies in other bodies and the rough dissection of other bodies. Apparently, it seemed to someone that the commander of the ship was enough, apparently according to the idea of ​​the authors who personally caught all the butterflies with his body. By the way, the antey diamond confidently stated that the chemical analysis of the presented damaging elements does not correspond to the original. But naturally no one will conduct an examination, since even realizes that it is one thing to make elements that look similar to public images, and another thing to find just such elements (I think someone is just now frantically looking for them). In total, in my opinion, the commission's report clearly indicates that someone tried to manipulate evidence in order to shift the blame onto Russia. Who benefits from it and so it is clear. I am sure that ours, even if they transported the beech militia, this was an old Soviet modification, we are not fools to soar. That is why the antey diamond so confidently demands the examination of butterflies, realizing that there should be no original elements in Ukraine.
    1. Insurgent LC
      Insurgent LC 15 October 2015 21: 15 New
      0
      I think the most interesting is yet to come, while only the cards are shuffled

      Meteorological conditions from 15:00 to 18:00 17.07.2014/7/10 in the region of the city of Donetsk were characterized by rain and overcast. The route of passenger aircraft passes above the lower boundary of the clouds of the upper tier. At this altitude, only cirrus clouds can form. These are separate white fibrous clouds, thin and transparent, occasionally with dense or flaky formations. They are arranged in the form of beams and strips going through the whole sky and converging at the horizon. They shine through the sky well. The average height of the lower border is XNUMX-XNUMX km, the thickness is from hundreds of meters to several kilometers.

      The attack of a combat aircraft with a sharp climb from the cloud layer could have been of a sudden nature to the crew of the Boeing 777. This attack could not be detected visually from the ground due to the dense layer of cloudiness in the middle and lower tiers.

      Thus, it can be stated with a sufficient degree of certainty that the Boeing 777, performing a horizontal flight at an altitude of 10000 meters, could actually be in the zone of destruction of the missile-gun armament of a combat aircraft
      At 17.17–17.20, the Boeing 777 was located in the airspace of Ukraine near the city of Donetsk at an altitude of 10100 m. An unidentified combat plane, which was a flight below, on a heading course in a cloud layer, sharply gained altitude, suddenly appeared from the clouds in front of a civilian aircraft and opened fire on cockpit (cockpit) by firing cannon weapons of 30 mm caliber or smaller. These actions could be performed not only by the pilot of the combat aircraft in the “free hunting” mode (using the airborne radar), but also with the help of a navigation navigator using airborne data from ground-based radars.

      As a result of multiple hits of shells, the cockpit was damaged and its depressurization was abrupt, which led to the instant death of the crew from mechanical stress and decompression. The attack was sudden and lasted a split second, the crew, due to the circumstances, could not give the warning signals set in such cases, since the flight was proceeding normally and no one expected an attack.

      Since neither the engines, nor the hydraulic system, or other devices important for continuing the flight were put out of action, the autopilot-controlled Boeing 777 (which is the normal situation) continued to perform horizontal flight, possibly gradually losing altitude.

      The pilot of an unidentified combat aircraft made a maneuver, Boeing 777 entered the rear hemisphere. After that, an unidentified aircraft lay down on the combat course, the pilot provided target tracking with the onboard equipment of the aircraft, aimed and launched the P – 60 or P – 73 missiles.

      As a result of missiles, the cabin was depressurized, the aircraft control system was violated, the autopilot shut off, the aircraft stopped horizontal flight and went into a tailspin. The resulting overload led to the mechanical destruction of the aircraft glider at high altitudes.

      The plane, as follows from the available information from the flight recorders, fell apart in the air, but this is possible only in the case of a vertical fall from a height of ten thousand meters, which can only happen if the maximum permissible overload is exceeded. As a rule, the option of such a stall is a crew’s inability to control the aircraft as a result of an emergency in the cockpit and subsequent immediate depressurization of the cockpit and passenger cabin. The destruction of the aircraft occurred at high altitude, which explains the fact that the wreckage of the aircraft was dispersed in an area exceeding 15 km ?.
      1. Insurgent LC
        Insurgent LC 15 October 2015 21: 42 New
        0
        there was still information that in Nikolaev 2 su-25 scorpions were at the airport but did not fly on combat, the first flight was just 17
        here tth
        The attack aircraft Su-25KM Scorpio, unlike the ancestor, can conduct combat operations day and night.
        The aircraft is equipped with a fundamentally new airborne equipment and an integrated flight-navigation complex.
        In the cockpit - modern multifunction indicators and helmet-mounted target designation system.
        All aircraft electronics comply with NATO standards. The Scorpion's weapons are a bizarre mixture of Russian and Western missiles and bombs, among them the most modern means of destruction, such as the R-73 missile
        and in perspective, X-31.
        The Su-25 was built at the Tbilisi aircraft factory, which in Soviet times mass-produced the Su-25.
        The Scorpion modernization program envisages equipping the Su-25 attack aircraft with a new avionics complex in accordance with the glass cocpit technology and meeting the ICAO requirements, developed by the Israeli firm Elbit.
        New avionics significantly expands the capabilities of the aircraft, provides all-weather use, improves flight safety, provides accurate navigation and target designation for weapons.
        The complex is designed to use both Western and Russian weapons. 8 ". The HOTAS (Hands-On-Throttle-And-Stick) system is installed, which allows the pilot to perform many operations without removing his hands from the aircraft and engine control sticks.
        The old display system on the windshield has been replaced with a new one with a front control panel. The complex includes a new navigation system that works both in GPS mode and inertial mode.
        Two new radio stations are installed on the Su-25: UHF and VHF,
        providing secure listening. The equipment kit also includes the helmet-mounted DASH target designation system, also developed by Elbit. From the previous equipment left: radar altimeter,
        fuel sensors and a laser rangefinder-target designator "Klen".
        The missile with GS OE has an optical-electronic matrix operating in the visible range.
        The guidance system of such a missile can be programmed to defeat the most vulnerable elements of the aircraft, for example, the cockpit.
        OE GOS is independent of the thermal radiation of the target; therefore, it can be used for targets that are hardly noticeable in the IR range.

        Optoelectronic GOS are equipped with:

        Rafael Python 5
        technical specifications Python 5 is an air-to-air missile developed by Rafael Armament Development Authority based on Rafael Python 4.
        In 2003, it was first demonstrated at the Le Bourget air show. It is made by the Israeli company Rafael.
        Has a dual-band thermal imaging homing head, digital autopilot. Inertial guidance system allows you to hit targets in any hemisphere.
        Python 5 rocket
        "Python 5 is the most accurate and reliable, as well as one of the most sophisticated guided missiles of the Israeli Air Force."
        This fifth generation rocket is capable of “seeing” the image of the target of attack, and not just one “hot spot” of infrared radiation.
        This makes it possible for a rocket to distinguish an aircraft from infrared countermeasures, which, in turn, allows you to strike at the most vulnerable part of the aircraft, and not just aim at the brightest source of infrared radiation.
        The missile guidance system works in the daytime and at night in the absence of visibility due to cloudiness or smoke, and can hit targets that can perform evasion maneuvers.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 19 October 2015 11: 44 New
          0
          Everything was fun at once and not as in the article ...
          "Antaeus" proceeds from the fact that the holes in the fuselage from its shrapnel and the rocket exploded along the nose (that is, they are entrance). pointing directly at these holes.
          But the thing is that these are weekend holes from 30mm cannon shells (this is carried by the Su-25, and an airplane of this type supposedly was spotted next to the airliner), and Buck shrapnel makes round holes less than 10mm. Plates - 13mm maximum cuts.
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 19 October 2015 11: 55 New
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        Behind a little to the right was an attack, 30mm holes weekend ...

  12. Ronino
    Ronino 15 October 2015 12: 03 New
    0
    It seems to me that no one in the world will hear the arguments of Russia ...
    Whatever evidence and facts are presented.
    1. Arkon
      Arkon 16 October 2015 20: 44 New
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      Already hear. yes
      Therefore, the text of the Dutch report is so streamlined.
      They do not know what trump cards Russia still has and a little, so to speak, are worried. smile
  13. ivanovbg
    ivanovbg 15 October 2015 12: 37 New
    +1
    The official version of Holland (and at the same time - Malaysia, Ukraine, the European Union) - damaging elements of the “butterfly” type were found in the bodies of crew members and the power frame of the aircraft and the remains of the 9М38М1 rocket (paint, part of the stabilizer), which prove that it is Russian.

    The stupidest proof is the territory from which the missile launch allegedly occurred. This is a segment of a circle, with a small radius in the west and a large radius in the east. Why did you choose such a completely biased segment of the entire 2,5 x 3,5 km located south of Zaroschenskoye (i.e., entirely in the territory of the DPR). After all, the launch of a rocket could occur from the side or from the rear at the heading of the aircraft. But no, the experts liked just one piece from the belt and that’s it.
  14. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 15 October 2015 12: 51 New
    -2
    It can be seen that this is an option of air Kursk. There are no answers, although everything has been investigated.
    It is not beneficial to anyone. Well, Malaysia will survive this. Will have to survive.
    Neither the report nor the tests confirmed anything, but did not refute it either.
    It would be necessary to take a clearly documented investigation of Russia upon itself, but that would be even worse.
  15. Eustace
    Eustace 15 October 2015 13: 10 New
    -1
    The whole situation with the Boeing resembles the tragedy of the Kursk sinking. Politics is involved everywhere, and innocent people are dying. This dirty business is politics. Nobody will name the guilty ones anyway.
  16. Skalpel
    Skalpel 15 October 2015 14: 18 New
    +1
    There is no greater abomination in the world than politics. And there are no more disgusting creatures in the world than politicians trying to pass off black as white .. For the sake of instantaneous political benefits, they do not take into account the lives of peaceful, innocent people. And in this case, we are dealing with how the TECHNICAL aspects of the matter are replaced by POLITICAL Tricks. And where there is politics - do not wait for the truth ...
  17. solidus
    solidus 15 October 2015 15: 24 New
    -2
    Quote: MyVrach
    To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.

    You correctly noticed it.
  18. solidus
    solidus 15 October 2015 15: 37 New
    +1
    Quote: ivanovbg
    The official version of Holland (and at the same time - Malaysia, Ukraine, the European Union) - damaging elements of the “butterfly” type were found in the bodies of crew members and the power frame of the aircraft and the remains of the 9М38М1 rocket (paint, part of the stabilizer), which prove that it is Russian.

    That she is Russian is clear to everyone, except for Russia no one produced them. the question is who took advantage of it.
  19. Arkan
    Arkan 15 October 2015 17: 16 New
    0
    This means that it is necessary to strengthen control over "ward No. 6".


    The amount of chlorpromazine needed to calm the sick is comparable to the sea they dug.
  20. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 16 October 2015 07: 07 New
    0
    Quote: MyVrach
    Quote: Igor39
    now it is evasive that they mumble something after the Dutch investigation, which did not raise any charges against Russia and no one apologized after that. That's just it, lies.

    To be honest? The Dutch acted more solidly than Russia’s General Staff which, in the very first days, gathered a briefing where it reported on the pursuing attack aircraft, later the RF IC accused the Ukrainian pilot Voloshin, and now Diamond Antey publishes its conclusions that the downed BUK missile is not in service Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. In such cases, statements by representatives of Russia cannot be taken into account since it is an interested party, and its versions are contradictory.

    To the doctor: heal yourself! Everything is confused in your head over the years. The Su-25 of the Ukrainian Air Force has not gone anywhere from the radar maps, but with the pilot Voloshin, what was the question. And ours worked out the version of "Buk", because this version is the main one according to the Dutch investigation. And so for today it is, as it were, "generally recognized". And according to the rules for the investigation of aviation accidents, the commission was supposed to involve the developer's specialists to participate in the investigation, but "did not consider it necessary." For they know about the flimsy of their version. That is why Almaz-Antey conducted an independent investigation. We need to act consistently and progressively, which Russia is doing. And solidity to all? The fact that, at the behest of the "dark master", she rushed to prove the guilt of Russia with foam at her mouth?