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International Criminal Court in The Hague decided to participate in the information war against Russia

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On Wednesday night, news agencies spread that the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague, Fatu Bensuda, asked for permission to initiate investigations into the 2008 events of the year in South Ossetia. She intends to study the actions of both parties to the conflict. As reported by English Reuters, the reason for the appeal of Bensuda was the message that an investigation came to a dead end, which was conducted by the Georgian Prosecutor’s Office in relation to its own armed forces.


International Criminal Court in The Hague decided to participate in the information war against Russia


The request of the prosecutor to conduct investigations is a formal procedure provided for by the standards of the ICC. According to them, the prosecutor starts an investigation against a State party on his own initiative, but his actions must be confirmed by the Pre-Trial Chamber, which consists of three independent and impartial judges.

Naphthalene Prosecutor Fatou Bensuda Initiative

The reference to the investigation by Georgia “against its own armed men” is nothing more than a figure of prosecutor’s speech. It is clear that the initiative to return to the world political agenda the forgotten history the Georgian-Ossetian conflict belongs to Fatu Bensud herself or to those who promoted her to a high position in the structure of international justice.

This follows from the obvious fact that the Georgian Prosecutor’s Office did not appeal to Bensud for support, otherwise it would be reflected in the information space. In early October, it was reported that the International Criminal Court is launching investigations into crimes committed during the war in Georgia.

The information somewhat disoriented commentators familiar with the history of this conflict. The titles flashed headlines: “The Hague court will investigate the events of August 2008,” “Mikhail Saakashvili may be brought before the Hague international court,” “Saakashvili may be held accountable for the conflict in South Ossetia,” “The Hague tribunal for the war in Georgia: Saakashvili can be judged ”,“ 5-day war between the Russian Federation and Georgia is being investigated by 2008 in the Hague ”, etc.

Commentators did not notice the warnings of the head of the Russian Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, in his quick temper. Speaking to 6 of October with a lecture at MGIMO, he said that in 2008, he had opened a criminal investigation into the facts of the genocide and massacres of Russian citizens, as well as Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia. “Now, three days ago, a letter came from The Hague, where we are asked to submit materials at last. Such a request is a kind of “sanction”, there they will start to press us for sure, accusing us of aggression. ”

Alexander Bastrykina’s preoccupation soon found confirmation in the headlines of Western publications, in which they often duplicated a full house “The court in The Hague investigates crimes committed during the Russian war against Georgia.” The accent is very remarkable.

He also appeared in the comments of Fatu Bensuda herself. The prosecutor of the ICC is going to investigate not the “five-day war”, as suggested in the media, but a period of conflict from mid-July to the end of October 2008.

Reuters, citing its sources, writes: “The object of the investigation could be the death of 113 ethnic Georgians during the conflict, as well as the forced eviction of 18500 people from the territory of South Ossetia. Bensuda believes that Russian troops may be involved in a noticeable reduction in the Georgian population of the republic. ”

In addition, the prosecutor of the ICC believes that both sides were involved in the death of peacekeepers in the conflict zone. According to her, two Georgian peacekeepers were killed by South Ossetian militiamen, and 10 Russian peacekeepers died at the hands of Georgian soldiers.

In order to give the investigation an objective appearance, the prosecutor of the ICC suspected Georgia of yet another crime - “Tbilisi may be involved in the destruction of a medical institution in South Ossetia.”

To the naked eye, it is clear that this entire initiative of the ICC is directed against Russia. After all, the time of its appearance (beginning of October) directly coincided with the activation of our aerospace forces in Syria, and the statement by Fatou Bensuda (even the London news agency drew attention to it) "appeared a few hours after the report of the Dutch authorities came to the conclusion that the Malaysian Boeing was knocked off the ground by the Buk system.

Moreover, according to Russian human rights activists, they "tried to bring our materials - and we qualified the actions of the Georgian military as military offenses - to the International Court of Justice in the Hague ...". Then the ICC did not show interest in the topic. But now they eagerly blow away dust and naphthalene to fill it with new content. How?

In the wake of the five-day war in South Ossetia

The tragic events of 2008 in South Ossetia from the very beginning gave rise to polar views in world public opinion. The prevailing point of view of Western politicians, which was generated by the United States. Russia was blamed for the five-day war.

However, I recall in brief the course of the conflict. It has grown since the end of July 2008. Georgian and South Ossetian military fired firefights and fire raids of varying degrees of intensity. By the evening of August 7 still agreed on a cease-fire.

Instead, on the night of 7 on 8 in August 2008 (in 0: 06), Georgian troops launched a massive shelling of the capital of South Ossetia, the city of Tskhinvali and surrounding areas. A few hours later, armored vehicles and infantry of Georgia went to the assault. In Tbilisi, the reason for the attack was called a violation of the cease-fire South Ossetia. Tskhinval insisted that Georgia was the first to fire.

8 August (in 14: 59) in the framework of the operation to force Georgia to peace on the side of South Ossetia, Russia officially joined the conflict. 9 August - Abkhazia, driven by an agreement on military assistance between members of the Commonwealth of unrecognized states. 12 August 2008 Russia officially announced the successful completion of the operation. 13 August Abkhazia ousted Georgian troops from the Kodori Gorge. This active fighting ended.

On August 16, the leaders of the states involved in the hostilities signed a plan for the peaceful settlement of the Georgian-South Ossetian conflict (the “Medvedev-Sarkozy Plan”).

In December, the European Union set up the International Commission of Inquiry into the War of the South Caucasus in August 2008 to examine the causes of the conflict. Headed by its former UN representative in Georgia, Heidi Tagliavini. The Commission at the end of September 2009 presented a report, the key points of which refuted the Georgian version. The main conclusion - the war began Georgia. From the point of view of international law, her actions in South Ossetia were recognized as unjustified. At the same time, the commission considered that "Russia had the right to repel an attack on its peacekeepers by means proportional to the threat." In order to save the face of Western diplomacy, fascinated by the accusations of Russia, the report recorded: the conflict was preceded by months-long defiant actions of the Russian Federation. And yet - even though, according to the commission, “the initial response of Russia to the attack of Georgian troops on Tskhinvali was justified by the objectives of the defense, but the subsequent actions of the Russian troops were excessive”. Perhaps it was this passage of the report that was remembered by those who led the ICC prosecutor Fatu Bensud to begin investigating the events of the forgotten world of armed conflict.

The investigation will help interested media

This initiative has no serious legal perspective, since the possibilities of the International Criminal Court are, in general, limited. It was established in accordance with the so-called Rome Statute - an international treaty adopted at the diplomatic conference in Rome 17 July 1998. The competence of the ICC has included the prosecution of those responsible for genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The court in The Hague began working on July 1 on the 2002 of the year, after the Rome Statute, ratified by the 60 countries that signed it, entered into force. Russia signed the Memorandum of Association, but abstained from ratification, remaining in the status of an observer country. (And this is the first, if not the most important, obstacle to the investigation of the Fatu Bensuda.)

A number of states already at the Rome Conference opposed the very idea of ​​an international criminal court restricting national sovereignty and giving the ICC unreasonably broad powers. The Rome Statute was not signed by more than 40 countries. The main things on this list are the USA, China, India, Israel and Iran. True, the United States first signed a treaty, and then in 2002, the year (the president changed - instead of Clinton, Bush Jr.) Withdrew their signature. Moreover, in 2002, they passed a special law on the protection of American personnel abroad, which allowed the use of military force to release any American citizen or citizens from among allies of the United States detained on the territory of a state under the ICC warrant.

This decision did not add credibility to the court, the jurisdiction of which was already limited to the countries that adopted the Rome Statute, and its powers were outlined by strict limits. First of all, the ICC is not part of the official UN structures, funded by member states or voluntary contributions. In contrast, for example, to the UN tribunals for the former Yugoslavia or for Rwanda in the ICC, the competence of the state takes precedence over the jurisdiction of the court. This means that Russia, which is conducting its own investigation into the 2008 events of the year, has a preferential right here. It will become an obstacle for Fatu Bensuda. The prosecutor will not have the necessary authority to collect information. Unless, of course, Russia voluntarily shares it.

All these small and large restrictions can thoroughly undermine the judicial perspective of the planned investigation. Perhaps the only opportunity for the prosecutor to express himself is to go with information to interested media, to share the facts at her disposal, which, in principle, Bensuda has already done. She very clearly announced the priorities of the investigation - Georgian losses and the problems of displaced persons. For brackets left dead and wounded in Tskhinval itself. Thus, the first information attack opened the veil over the true objectives of the International Criminal Court in the investigation of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict.

... At about the same time that the Chief Prosecutor of the ICC made a statement about the goals of her dubious investigation, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova addressed the media. She challenged the recent version of the information war between the West and Russia. “Many are talking about the information war,” Maria Zakharova told reporters, “but it seems to me that this is not a war, after all, at least two parties are participating in it. This is informational aggression. ” Now the International Criminal Court has found its place in it ...
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  1. Hammer
    Hammer 15 October 2015 05: 48 New
    12
    The killing of 600 thousand civilians and Iraq in exchange for its 4 thousand - this, apparently, is not excessive. Well look at "5 Days Of War" part 2.
    1. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 15 October 2015 07: 33 New
      13
      Lawyers are in the service, as are the soldiers. It's just that the lawyers of the enemy. In general, there is only one way out: to strengthen the Caspian flotilla, as one of the tools to help the jurisprudence of Russia.
      1. da Vinci
        da Vinci 15 October 2015 09: 55 New
        +5
        It is possible and in the Baltic slightly! wink
  2. saniajan
    saniajan 15 October 2015 05: 50 New
    20
    The Hague Court - Simple Anglo-American Horns and Hooves
  3. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 15 October 2015 06: 00 New
    +6
    It seems to me that if Russia also withdraws its signature and refuses to recognize its (ICC) decision in the future, then its very existence will be meaningless. If this court is nothing, this is the case, at least where the courts about all kinds of wars unleashed by the Americans, the overthrow of sovereign state governments, the support of terrorists, the seizure of foreign citizens in other countries, underground prisons, torture ... you can list for a long time.
    Is it time to send this court to hell?
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 15 October 2015 19: 14 New
      0
      They need to put this in sight, and refuse their services lol until they correct this situation.
  4. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 15 October 2015 06: 08 New
    +7
    all these offices like the UN, the ICC, etc., have long been turned into bureaucratic-bureaucratic gatherings, into a warm place where you can do nonsense and get good money, with all sorts of nice "goodies".
    1. svp67
      svp67 15 October 2015 06: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      , in a warm place where you can do nonsense and get good money, with all sorts of nice "goodies".

      And who thinks that this can only happen in Russia? Yeah, right now ... Behind the "hillock" it has long been put on the conveyor
  5. kuz363
    kuz363 15 October 2015 06: 15 New
    +2
    "Russia signed the founding treaty, but abstained from ratification" And how long will Russia behave like that? Here we must take an example from the United States. And so it will turn out as with the Yukas case, when the 3 energy package was attached. He also signed Chernomyrdin but did not ratify it. And the court decided simply that once they signed it, it means they agree.
    1. demo
      demo 15 October 2015 07: 51 New
      +2
      Right.
      You can’t act like that.
      Today it’s profitable - I’ll sign it.
      Tomorrow is not profitable - I will not ratify.
      This is all from the evil one.
      From the instability of the political line.
      From the desire "both yours and ours."
      You must live the truth!
      What is the strength in, brother?
      In truth!
  6. alex-cn
    alex-cn 15 October 2015 06: 17 New
    +2
    Who pays for the girl’s evening dances her.
  7. Russian Uzbek
    Russian Uzbek 15 October 2015 06: 18 New
    +5
    boobies simply discredit another international institution ... and then they will scream that Russia is "destroying the world order"
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2015 06: 38 New
    +6
    This is informational aggression.

    It is difficult to disagree with M. Zakharova. And this is not just aggression, but tough pressure through the media and other opportunities on Russia in order to completely discredit it with far-reaching consequences. It seems to me that Russia needs not only to respond in fact to such actions, but to begin its information "aggression" against the main instigators.
  9. GUKTU
    GUKTU 15 October 2015 07: 20 New
    +5
    Guys, do you have the impression that international organizations (UN, OSCE, The Hague Court, etc.) are CIA branches? And the main task of all these organizations (branches) is to denigrate countries that are objectionable to mattresses as much as possible.
    1. Executer
      Executer 15 October 2015 09: 04 New
      +2
      Did you just find out?
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 15 October 2015 07: 20 New
    +2
    Maria Zakharova told reporters, “...... this is still not a war, at least two parties are participating in it.” This is informational aggression..... How right she is ... But maybe it's time to answer, with counterattacks ... And what is characteristic, there is something to answer ... However ..
    1. bocsman
      bocsman 15 October 2015 09: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      Maria Zakharova told reporters, “...... this is still not a war, at least two parties are participating in it.” This is informational aggression..... How right she is ... But maybe it's time to answer, with counterattacks ... And what is characteristic, there is something to answer ... However ..

      Yes, guys pressed Russia tail to the Yankees! If you already climbed for such mothballs! And most importantly, countrywoman Obama in a jet, well, you know what!
  11. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 15 October 2015 08: 16 New
    +8
    Fatou Bensuda asked permission to start investigations ..
    Gambian prosecutor with Nigerian education ... 1961 b.
    With such lips it’s easy to climb stairs.
    Why not take up the war in Iraq / Libya ..?
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    2. Wolverine
      Wolverine 15 October 2015 10: 00 New
      +1
      What a disgusting face she has, God forgive me ...
    3. saniajan
      saniajan 15 October 2015 11: 38 New
      +1
      let Black at least restore order at home!)))
    4. Amurets
      Amurets 15 October 2015 13: 42 New
      +2
      The lips are rolled with a lip-rolling machine of the M-16 type.
      1. SPLV
        SPLV 15 October 2015 15: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: Wolverine
        What a disgusting face she has, God forgive me ...

        Quote: Amurets
        The lips are rolled with a lip-rolling machine of the M-16 type.

        How do you, "gentlemen", differ from this lady? With their unearthly beauty, Apollo? The lady is just a performer of someone else's will. I think, if she refused this job, she would simply lose her job. We would have condemned the customers of this action, or something, how to make fun of each other in wit. She was not alone in violating moral standards to please the employer. They came up with the idea of ​​fighting a woman ... especially in absentia ...
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  12. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 15 October 2015 08: 25 New
    +6
    "The Hague Circus" lights up.
    How quietly killed Milosevic? Cattle are silent.
    For the massacre and investigation of S. Hussein and Gaddafi? Cattle are silent.
    For the Donbass? What shut up?
    It has long been understood that the Americans and Anglo-Saxons from the island rule there.
    The Hague MORAL.
  13. Yurmix
    Yurmix 15 October 2015 08: 36 New
    0
    Quote: GUKTU
    Guys, do you have the impression that international organizations (UN, OSCE, The Hague Court, etc.) are CIA branches?

    This is a reality, all of these sharashka were originally conceived as an instrument against Russia, except for the UN, of course, but this office is now practically turned into a trash. All that the United States and the geyropa created is for screeching through the media what a bad and evil Russia, we are international authorities and at the rate of who is right and who is to blame. In general, their meetings are a type of gatherings of grandmothers in the mound, you can safely ignore, not a decree, this rabble for Russia.
  14. Vitail
    Vitail 15 October 2015 08: 38 New
    +1
    Hypocritical ki this hague tribunal
  15. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 October 2015 08: 40 New
    +2
    Since Russia in fact has not ratified the agreement on the creation of the ICC (and I think it will never ratify it), no one will submit any materials to this "wallet"! Now our authorities urgently need to adopt the Law "On the protection of our citizens from the actions of any courts and other states" (like the American one)! And to all the claims of these biased "mosecs" to answer with the calmness of an elephant and indicate to them the address of their further journey to "a bad mother or one reproductive organ"! We are a Great Power and not corrupt pygmies from the EU countries teach us how to live, let them first put things in order, and for lies and misinformation, initiate a criminal case against this weak-minded prosecutor!
  16. Patriot 771
    Patriot 771 15 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +1
    They use everything when facts are lacking. And then, just a couple of decades, and for some reason we counted our enemies as partners, friends. And nothing has changed. Well, they are not our friends, to say the least. Opinion - at every level of our society to be attentive to each other and to those who are "tolerant" to new trends in history. It is sad to state, but it will not end with anything good. At least one generation will live without this b.l.dstva ?!
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  18. Ural resident
    Ural resident 15 October 2015 09: 31 New
    +1
    It’s time to create your own international tribunal long ago, these preoccupied ones already got ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 15 October 2015 13: 39 New
      +2
      Not just preoccupied, but sexually preoccupied. Putin has no more business to discuss the problems of sexual minorities. Because of these fagots, agglaciaks are raging, that their problems are a bother to us.
  19. Pogran
    Pogran 15 October 2015 10: 13 New
    +1
    in July 1918, Georgian troops occupied Adler, Sochi, Tuapse, i.e. the territory of the Black Sea province of Russia. Thus, on July 26, 1918, the Georgian flag was raised over Tuapse. All posts were occupied exclusively by ethnic Georgians, of which no more than 10% of the local population were. Everything was mercilessly plundered. The Tuapse railway was plundered, and rails, crosses, materials, even hospital equipment were taken away; the multimillion-dollar equipment of the Gagra climatic station was sold at an auction, the timber industry in Gagra was destroyed, pedigree cattle were taken away, cultural estates were ruined ... "As a result, the Armenian population organized an uprising, which was used by Denikin's troops and supported. Denikin's volunteer army recaptured this district from the army of the Menshevik Georgian government during heavy fighting from September 1918 to March 1919. The hostilities between the White and Georgian troops were very fierce. It was then that the border on Psou arose, which did not exist before
  20. rus-5819
    rus-5819 15 October 2015 12: 25 New
    +1
    Another selling mongrel hurries to bite Russia over the heel
  21. solidus
    solidus 15 October 2015 13: 40 New
    -12
    A strange situation is taking shape: the whole world is wrong, Russia alone is right! it’s worth considering what’s wrong here.
    1. anderles66
      anderles66 15 October 2015 16: 31 New
      +4
      Really. Please tell us about "the whole world"! What exactly do you mean by this concept? And on what issues? South Ossetia. Okay. Has Russia turned up on "the whole world"? Do you want to go to Tskhinvali and tell passers-by that the whole world does not agree with Russia? And if health allows - move to Abkhazia and tell the same thing. I suppose that the inhabitants of these regions will not agree with you. And this is no longer "the whole world". Yes, tell us how "the whole world" agrees with the self-determination of Kosovo, but, let's say, in no way - with the same Ossetia, Transnistria, Abkhazia, and now also with Novorossia? Well, at least there are some oddities, right? Yes, here's another - Palestine. What does "the whole world" think? Shall we continue? And how did "the whole world" destroy Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq? They tried - Egypt and Syria. Yes, many others have tried. Why do you think Assad is a dictator and the king of Saudi Arabia is a democrat? What is there in "the whole world"? How does "the whole world" relate to Guantanamo (by the way, among other things - the occupied territory)? Why did Israel seize the land, but "the whole world" does not condemn it? At the same time, several UN Security Council resolutions have been adopted, but they are not being implemented and "the whole world" does not care - no sanctions, no coercion, nothing? Well, I could ask a lot more about "the whole world" and how free individual states of "the whole world" are in expressing their opinion. Don't you want to think about it all?
      1. solidus
        solidus 15 October 2015 18: 00 New
        -4
        Quote: anderles66
        What exactly do you mean by this concept?

        Belgium, Great Britain, Denmark, Iceland, Italy, Canada, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, USA, France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Estonia, Croatia, Australia, Japan many a lot of them.
        Quote: anderles66
        In South Ossetia

        no
        Quote: anderles66
        Okay

        hands
        Quote: anderles66
        Do not want to go to Tskhinval

        no
        Quote: solidus
        move to Abkhazia

        no
        Quote: solidus
        Transnistria

        PMR, nothing reminds?
        Quote: solidus
        Why do you think Assad is a dictator and the king of Saudi Arabia is a democrat?
        why did you molest me?

        Quote: anderles66
        Why did Israel seize the land, but "the whole world" does not condemn it?

        Am I an encyclopedia?
        Quote: anderles66
        How does "the whole world" relate to Guantanamo (by the way, among other things - the occupied territory)?

        Finally open the book! why are you bothering me?

        Quote: anderles66
        And you do not want to think about it all?

        I expressed my thoughts above.
        1. SPLV
          SPLV 15 October 2015 19: 19 New
          0
          Quote: solidus
          I expressed my thoughts above.

          Quote: solidus
          Finally open the book! why are you bothering me?

          Apparently, someone is not able to juxtapose two of his thoughts in his own head.
          Quote: solidus
          Belgium, Great Britain, Denmark, Iceland, Italy, Canada, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, USA, France, Germany, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Estonia, Croatia, Australia, Japan many a lot of them

          How to explain what is common in these countries? It’s just that the armed forces of one state are everywhere. Remind yourself, in 1941, which of these countries spoke out against the war with the USSR: Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Italy, Hungary, Poland, Norway, Japan, Spain, Romania, others, which are many?
          Quote: solidus
          Am I an encyclopedia?

          And why not Yntsiklopediya?
          1. solidus
            solidus 15 October 2015 19: 36 New
            0
            Quote: SPLV
            Apparently, someone is not able to juxtapose two of his thoughts in his own head.

            Read carefully, everything is clear there.
            Quote: SPLV

            How to explain what is common in these countries?

            I explain: if you look more closely you will see the NATO block.
            Quote: SPLV
            And why not Yntsiklopediya?

            They do not argue with the encyclopedia, so decide already)
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 16 October 2015 18: 13 New
              0
              Quote: solidus
              They do not argue with the encyclopedia, so decide already)

              With the Uncyclopedia too?
        2. Izotovp
          Izotovp 15 October 2015 20: 16 New
          +1
          The United States and Israel withdrew their signatures to the Hague Tribunal Treaty.
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 16 October 2015 18: 12 New
          +1
          China overlaps your, a lot, three times
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 17 October 2015 02: 01 New
            0
            India doubled ... Total already at 5.
            It remains to count Russia, Latin America, Africa, Indonesia and will be already 15-20 times.
    2. mark2
      mark2 15 October 2015 19: 57 New
      -1
      the whole problem is that at one time Russia signed and co-founded a lot of all kinds of documents, pacts, agreements, to which she undertook to obey. She did all this in the hope that she would be accepted into the club of the Civilized Countries of the Big Eight, Big Twenty, NATO. Now what? Themselves are not happy to see. It turns out Elephant and Pugs. But unlike the Krylov elephant, Russia has to react to Mosek’s attacks. Because otherwise it is impossible. as I said, we ourselves all signed it. We wouldn’t sign it, and you could spit and say that these are your internal customs that have nothing to do with us.
      1. solidus
        solidus 15 October 2015 20: 24 New
        -3
        Who are you going to spit on? Without imported equipment, we won’t even bake bread. Even our only military industry will rise without imported machines. We won’t be able to get oil, we don’t have our own drilling rigs, we won’t even be able to equip it, because American gravimeters. Our rockets will not fly without imported microelectronics. From pugs to elephants, we still have to grow and grow, and given the current situation in the economy, growth has been replaced by regression, there are a lot of tanks, we’re still pushing.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 16 October 2015 04: 47 New
          +1
          Everything will fly ... Without Russian titanium, on the contrary, you will transfer back to piston planes.

          It's never too late to spit, and it's time.
          1. solidus
            solidus 16 October 2015 07: 39 New
            -1
            What do we give them that keeps them from switching to the piston?
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 17 October 2015 01: 27 New
              0
              Tamm was written.
              1. solidus
                solidus 19 October 2015 14: 22 New
                -1
                use the "quote" function. And then your
                Quote: Scraptor
                Tamm was written.
                do not give any information.
                1. Scraptor
                  Scraptor 19 October 2015 14: 30 New
                  0
                  There are non-specific options in this comment.
                  1. solidus
                    solidus 20 October 2015 16: 42 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Scraptor
                    In volume

                    in which?
                    Quote: Scraptor
                    there are options.

                    options for what?
                    1. Scraptor
                      Scraptor 21 October 2015 04: 54 New
                      0
                      Look higher...
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 21 October 2015 04: 59 New
          0
          Quote: solidus
          Who are you going to spit on?

          Quote: solidus
          Without imported equipment, we won’t even bake bread. Even our only military industry without imported machines will rise

          Quote: solidus
          we won’t be able to extract oil, we don’t have our own rigs, we won’t even be able to equip it, because American gravimeters are.

          Quote: solidus
          Our rockets will not fly without imported microelectronics

          Hey, little ... how old are you, honestly?

          Rzhunimagu with you)))
        3. Cat man null
          Cat man null 21 October 2015 05: 09 New
          -1
          Quote: solidus
          our only military industry will rise without imported machines. we won’t be able to get oil, we don’t have our own drilling rigs, we won’t even be able to equip it, because American gravimeters. Our rockets will not fly without imported microelectronics

          Not this way. I tell you, knowing how to pull out.

          - will not get up. They will do it with their hands. Not machines - spare parts. And they will do better than they were - and they will then come to us with a question - "how is it?"
          - microelectronics "imported" - you know, ... a lot and different .. I understand so far? wink
          - the word "gravimeter", young man, you found in Vipekidia .. and in vain .. my uncle, a geologist, a former landing party, would have laughed at you with pleasure .. only he died .. Eternal Memory

          Quote: solidus
          there’s a lot of tanks, we’ll mop up.

          Do not touch the tanks - these are my favorite troops .. in the sense - I loved the troops, and they, respectively, me ..

          Somehow hi
          1. solidus
            solidus 21 October 2015 10: 39 New
            -1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            won't get up.

            will rise
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Not machines - spare parts.

            all imported

            Quote: Cat Man Null
            And they will do better than they were

            do not - no equipment
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            microelectronics "imported" - you know, ... a lot and different ..

            yes a lot and different
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            the word "gravimeter", young man, you found in Vipekidia ..

            I worked on it. Wikipedia, by the way, is also not our resource, we are so far away.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Do not touch the tanks - these are my favorite troops ..

            Am I breaking them?
            All conclusions are drawn directly from experience and knowledge of the current situation.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 22 October 2015 23: 21 New
              -1
              Quote: solidus
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              won't get up.

              will rise
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Not machines - spare parts.

              all imported

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              And they will do better than they were

              do not - no equipment
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              microelectronics "imported" - you know, ... a lot and different ..

              yes a lot and different
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              the word "gravimeter", young man, you found in Vipekidia ..

              I worked on it. Wikipedia, by the way, is also not our resource, we are so far away.
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Do not touch the tanks - these are my favorite troops ..

              Am I breaking them?
              All conclusions are drawn directly from experience and knowledge of the current situation.

              Baby, what did you make a thread except for clave hands in your short life?

              Just wondering already ..
              1. solidus
                solidus 23 October 2015 07: 39 New
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                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Baby, what did you make a thread except for clave hands in your short life?

                A good example of what happens when a statistical ignoramus runs out of arguments. I think further palemic does not make sense.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Just wondering already ..

                Though interested in something.
        4. Scraptor
          Scraptor 21 October 2015 06: 06 New
          0
          Say ... we need tanks against 2 billion China, which has even more.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 16 October 2015 18: 10 New
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      truth is not determined by majority vote
      1. solidus
        solidus 16 October 2015 18: 29 New
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        That's for sure, also with our choices.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 17 October 2015 01: 28 New
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          Almost with anyone.

          In the US, there are no elections at all, there are "electors" there.
  22. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 15 October 2015 14: 24 New
    0
    Who would doubt that. Burn to edren fen everything with The Hague
  23. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 15 October 2015 16: 43 New
    +1
    All the time they will pull out various occasions in order to pour mud on Russia. Maybe Russia should also sue the ICC for NATO actions in Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan under the leadership of the United States only increases the supply of drugs. There are many reasons.
  24. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 15 October 2015 17: 48 New
    +1
    Something this very court is in no hurry to investigate the actions of the US armed forces in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria. After all, they (these same armed forces) were not officially invited to these countries, but they bombed and killed! Judge the villains !!!
  25. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 15 October 2015 18: 39 New
    0
    Russia won, Georgia lost. And the winners are not judged.
    1. mark2
      mark2 15 October 2015 20: 03 New
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      as it turns out she won but not to the end. It was necessary to win in the West. Enter the capital, remove the leadership of the country, put your pro-Russian leaders in disagreement with the transfer. The West would have cried out for a couple of months and shut up, because the official resolution of Russia stated that a fascist junta led by American military instructors led by the CIA had seized power in the republic of Georgia .. The Russian Federation took immediate measures to eradicate the US-fascist regime ... etc . Well, something like that. or how is the State Department explaining a new invasion to itself and the World?
      for one on RT show how Georgian commandos devour shish kebab from Ossetian babies and yell "Suliko" in a drunken stupor)
  26. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 October 2015 21: 12 New
    +1
    No, no excesses, no luxury. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation must be kept at the level. With these ... only from a position of strength. In the forehead with an iron fist, that would turn off lying languages!
  27. tiheros
    tiheros 15 October 2015 22: 18 New
    +2
    Na kui this court. bensuda is almost like a bankruptcy
  28. tiheros
    tiheros 15 October 2015 22: 19 New
    +1
    Na kui this court. bensuda is almost like a bankruptcy