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In Donetsk, again presented a map of the location of the Ukrainian "Bukov", marked at the time of the death of passengers MH-17

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Representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic showed a map showing the positions of the Ukrainian air defense systems in the Donbas region in July 2014. The deputy head of the defense department of the DPR, Eduard Basurin, notes that this document is a trophy - it was left with officers of the 1 battalion of the 95 separate airmobile brigade along with other important documentation. Basurin recalls that the Donetsk map was already shown some time after the crash of the Boeing, but then in Kiev and in the West it was called a fake. Now, Basurin believes, the real map of real Ukrainian positions is becoming even more relevant, since it unequivocally confirms the conclusions made by the specialists of the Almaz-Antey concern.


Donetsk News Agency quotes Eduard Basurin:
This document, in our opinion, is a direct evidence confirming the guilt of the Ukrainian soldiers in the destruction of the Malaysian "Boeing". (...) On this map, the launch positions of the Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile systems are marked. One position is located near the settlement of Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe, three kilometers west of Ilovaisk, the second is two kilometers south of Shakhtersk, near the settlement of Zaroshchenskoye, at a height marked 224.8. That is exactly where the Russian experts indicated.




Basurin continues:
Any sane person, having studied all the official evidence, including the maps presented by us, cannot but conclude that if the Boeing 777 was brought down from the ground, it could only be from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian army at that time Zaroshchenskoye village - and from weapons, still in service with the Ukrainian army.


Should we expect that Kiev recognizes the involvement of the Ukrainian military to the strike on MH-17, given that Kiev still does not recognize the strike on the Tu-154 in 2001? .. Rosaviatsiya reports that Ukraine has not officially recognized its guilty of the horrible incident over the Black Sea, when the teachings of the Ukrainian army led to the death of airliner passengers. According to the deputy head of the Federal Air Navigation Agency, Oleg Storchevoy, compensation to the families of those killed by Ukraine has not been paid even 14 years after the tragedy.
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 14 October 2015 14: 29 New
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    common sense is not always present among politicians ... And it’s already pleasing that the Golanians are scolding Ukrainians, that they did not block the sky in the conflict zone !!! About the rocket, so the guys from Almaz-Antey have already dotted everything and decided not to suffer from Baltology and just carried out a series of visual explosions, so to speak, instead of a thousand words ...
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 14 October 2015 14: 31 New
      +9
      But I will quote the philosopher (I don’t remember who): the truth ALWAYS will strike its way!
      + How much the rope does not curl - the end will always be enough!
      I really hope and wait for the confirmation of these true sayings!
      And confirmation of the honest name of Donbass!
      Good luck to them!
      1. stonks
        stonks 14 October 2015 16: 59 New
        +1
        There is (if still alive) a whole bunch of people who provided and carried out the launch of the rocket.
        There should be a bunch of launch witnesses (a very noisy and spectacular event) from the civilians in the area from where the launch was made.
        Interestingly, but this is the village of Zaroshchansky NOW UNDER WHICH CONTROL?

        So, I also think that the truth will come up!
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 14 October 2015 14: 34 New
      15
      Quote: Sasha 19871987
      common sense is not always present among politicians ... and it’s already pleasing that the Golanians are scolding Ukrainians, that they haven’t covered the skies in the conflict zone, and about the rocket guys from ALmaz-Antey have already dotted all about the ill-fated rocket

      Everyone knows perfectly well who and when shot down, now the mattresses will remove ukrov from under the blow of their slaves, and then this miserable Boeing will begin to wreck
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 14 October 2015 14: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        Everyone knows perfectly well who and when shot down, now the mattresses will remove ukrov from under the blow of their slaves, and then this miserable Boeing will begin to wreck

        There are satellite images, but they are not yet laid out so that the US does not substitute! We are not touching Ukraine yet ... But we are working quietly in Syria (well, there are screams, of course)))) However, Russia still benefits from this, but soon (although nobody will need it in the West anymore ..) Ukraine is no longer a state , so ... thank Valtsman!
        1. Andrea
          Andrea 14 October 2015 15: 01 New
          +3
          A lot of things were passed by and the rules were violated.
          Therefore, I can not understand the Dutch in any way, because it is THEM citizens who died!
          Are they really on such a strong hook that they are ready to drain everything.
          Yes, from the very beginning of the investigation, it was clear that they were not going to investigate a damn thing.
          Customize the investigation to the assigned result.
          1. KazaK Bo
            KazaK Bo 14 October 2015 15: 16 New
            +7
            Andrea
            A lot of things were passed by and the rules were violated.
            Therefore, I can not understand the Dutch in any way, because it is THEM citizens who died!
            Are they really on such a strong hook that they are ready to drain everything.

            Прошла 2-х часовая пресс-конференция зам Главы Росавиации. Камня на камне не оставил от доводов и аргументации доклада голландской комиссии. Прямо не сказал, но между строк его фраз даже не звучало, а КРИЧАЛО "ЭТОТ ДОКЛАД -- АКЦИЯ ПРИКРЫТИЯ ПРОВОКАЦИИ ЗАПАДА В ДОНБАССЕ ДЛЯ ТОГО, ЧТО БЫ ПРИНЯТЬ САМЫЕ ЖЕСТКИЕ МЕРЫ К РОССИИ"!!!
            Therefore, when an international provocation is carried out, then the WEST has enough Cynicism and meanness to sacrifice with its citizens in order to create objectivity visibility !!!
            By the way, MALAYSIA EXPRESSED A PROTEST IN CONNECTION WITH NOT INCLUDING INFORMATION AND PROPOSALS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION DURING THE PREPARATION OF THE REPORT! And they promised to protest this report. In the beginning, together with Australia, they were the most furious accusers of Russia. The truth finds support.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 14 October 2015 15: 53 New
              +3
              Ну и о чём шум?Это было высказано сразу после инцидента с лайнером.Были точные доказательства,которые уничтожили болгарками и артиллерией ВСУ.Но почему-то мы начали проигрывать информационную войну.А причина видится в том что признали выборы легитимными,вернули посла на Украину.Операция это задумана была давно,возможно ещё во время08;08;08.Вот только выполнена грубо.Почему не были опровёгнуты "доказательства" из фейсхари и "чириканья сорок".Что хакеры перевелись вбросить фейки.Можно подумать что у эти деятелей хватает ума сложный пароль ввести.У айфоши до взлома ну очень сложный пароль был,аж 40-к нулей.Вот и затянулось это извращённое враньё на полтора года.Обвиняете,сразу предоставляйте доказательства.Из-за своей неразворотливости мы проиграли не одну информационную войну.
              1. Midshipman
                Midshipman 14 October 2015 16: 34 New
                +4
                I do not agree that they lost. On the contrary - they let them lie to the fullest, and then they brought them to clean water. It’s important not even that they will believe us or not, but that no one else will believe them.
                1. Amurets
                  Amurets 14 October 2015 18: 15 New
                  +4
                  Гардемарин!Пока война идёт.Что будет позже я не знаю.Поэтому не будем спешить.Я о других и именно информационных войнах.Мы проиграли войну за К-129, Мы проиграли войны с Боингами над Сахалином и Беринговым морем.Почитайте книгу,если найдёте,горячее небо холодной войны.В 80-е годы в журнале Техника-молодёжи была статья про систему"Иджис".Там тоже есть про Сахалинский инцидент и результаты расследования Французской ассоциации пилотов,которая доказала что над Сахалином был сбит разведчик а пассажирский Боинг Корея Эйрлайнз сбили американцы над Сангарским проливом.Так что наивно думать что раньше была тишь,гладь да божья благодать.У ПВОшников шла война и война горячая.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 14 October 2015 15: 30 New
            0
            ... you would think that any other country would be very worried about the search for truth in this situation ..
    3. Balu495
      Balu495 14 October 2015 15: 31 New
      +1
      Hundreds of calculations and calculations, field experiments, computer simulations, hardware recordings of observations using the orbiting satellite constellation, dozens of polls of witnesses located in different regions, comparing and analyzing information received from them, subsequent analysis of the entire array of both structured and unstructured information and conclusions based on the analysis of this array with links to generally recognized methods of such analysis ... All this for more than a year now, Russian experts have been presenting as part of an investigation of the Boeing tragedy in the sky over the Donbass ...

      And all this work is crossed out and canceled by just one Tymchuk tweet, which the Western expert community unconditionally believes ...
  2. Finches
    Finches 14 October 2015 14: 29 New
    +5
    К сожалению, для всего "прогрессивного человечества" -правда не нужна и не интересна! Но говорить об этом нужно постоянно и громко - США и их холуй Украина - убийцы!
    1. Frigate
      Frigate 14 October 2015 14: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      К сожалению, для всего "прогрессивного человечества" -правда не нужна и не интересна! Но говорить об этом нужно постоянно и громко - США и их холуй Украина - убийцы!

      Oh, did you still beat Benny, or is Benya out of business? Or is Benya a Ukrainian? smile
  3. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 14 October 2015 14: 30 New
    +3
    Well, Americans can’t admit the truth, they just can’t.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 14 October 2015 17: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Vyacheslav 64
      Well, Americans can’t admit the truth, they just can’t.


      And you do not strain. They can’t - and to hell with them. It will find the truth, or it is not true.
      Гораздо актуальней, что бандеровское руководство торпедирует выполнение минский меморандум, а их "гаранты" повернулись спиной и делают вид, что как бы не в курсе. Это сейчас главное. belay
  4. Abbra
    Abbra 14 October 2015 14: 31 New
    +5
    These guys from the Netherlands will never prove the obvious. All sold and purchased by the States. This is called - throwing beads in front of pigs.
  5. chikenous59
    chikenous59 14 October 2015 14: 33 New
    0
    At least someone shot down, no one pleads guilty! Perhaps they will simply try to hush everything up and not arrange any tribunal.
  6. gas113
    gas113 14 October 2015 14: 40 New
    0
    The title of the article cuts both the plural and singular in one bottle. Not literate but somehow in the title ....
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 14 October 2015 16: 01 New
      +1
      So the same Ukrainians wrote, and the Russian language is not known to them.
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 14 October 2015 14: 43 New
    +2
    Any sane person ... cannot help but conclude that if the Boeing 777 was knocked down from the ground, it could only be from the territory controlled at that time by the Ukrainian army - the village of Zaroshchenskoye - and from weapons still since being in service with the Ukrainian army.


    So the sane person will see the same thing, not the expert with his eyes closed, and even in the NATO hangar, where the fragments of the liner were collected!
  8. Lena Alena
    Lena Alena 14 October 2015 14: 47 New
    0
    "Все все прекрасно знают кто и когда сбил,сейчас матрасники будут выводить из под удара своих холопов укров,а потом начнут заминать этот несчастный Боинг"
    In a set of recent events, maybe they won’t ...
  9. Serg koma
    Serg koma 14 October 2015 14: 49 New
    +1
    Common sense - (minus) ia = dill winked
  10. dr.star75
    dr.star75 14 October 2015 14: 56 New
    +1
    Расследование уже выполнило свою главную задачу: комиссия промурыжила весь мир целый год! Большинству уже не то что по "мужской орган", уже все забыли про сам инцидент. Не удивлюсь, если вскоре начнут писать: а был ли боинг?
  11. sl22277
    sl22277 14 October 2015 15: 00 New
    +2
    Тем не менее, шажок в сторону правды, пусть маленький, но сделан. Пассажирский самолет "Боинг-777" компании "Малайзийские авиалинии", выполнявший рейс MH17 из Амстердама (Нидерланды) в Куала-Лумпур (Малайзия), был сбит 17 июля 2014 года над Донбассом, что привело к мучительной гибели 283 пассажиров и 15 членов экипажа - граждан 10 государств. Юридически ответственной за это названа Украина.Западу очень хотелось пригвоздить Россию к позорному столбу, но вместо нее там уже оказалася порошенковский режим Украины, который уже, как обычно, валит все на Москву.
  12. veksha50
    veksha50 14 October 2015 15: 01 New
    +9
    "По словам замглавы Росавиации Олега Сторчевого, кcompensation to the families of the victims of Ukraine was not paid and 14 years after the tragedy"...

    А почему ??? Это ведь - мировая практика... Да потому что простили "братьям-славянам"...

    And our planes over Georgia, shot down by weapons and calculations from the Stryi anti-aircraft missile regiment (deployed in the city of Stryi, Lviv region) ??? It also somehow got away with it ... And then they didn’t even notice what Ukraine was going to ...

    And the participation of ukroboevikov on the Chechen side, against Russia ??? Also, none of the boyars and rulers did not notice ...

    And now we wash ourselves, chop off, brush off ... It's time to put this viper before the facts, strangle it economically ...

    And enough of these excuses ... tired ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 14 October 2015 16: 13 New
      +1
      veksha50. Not in the subject. I dropped a link and a comment there in an article about the Okinawan governor.
    2. figter
      figter 14 October 2015 17: 43 New
      0
      Вот, кстати, неплохо было бы образцы обломков ракет взять оттуда и сравнить с обломками ракеты, сбившей "Боинг". Не удивлюсь, если они ещё и одной партии и направлены в одну воинскую часть. По крайней мере проходили через один и тот же арсенал или базу. Ракет относительно не так уж и много выпущено. Учет был ещё времен СССР. Если потрудиться, то можно всё это поднять.
  13. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 14 October 2015 15: 01 New
    +3
    In my opinion, they will always be blamed for the whole of Russia. Moreover, attempts to rewrite history in general and the Great Patriotic War, in particular, continue. Now it happens in our schools at history lessons. And the teachers who do not understand what this is about? Children in LDNR received the hardest lesson American stories.
  14. Kiroant
    Kiroant 14 October 2015 15: 18 New
    +2
    Да если даже сами "хероислава" видеозапись прямого эфира с позиции уркобука предоставят, все равно "хозяин" отбрешется, все равно Путин В.В. крайним будет.
  15. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 October 2015 15: 22 New
    +4
    Everything is solved simply.

    Are there satellite images of the moment of the disaster? There is; they cannot fail to be, given how universal people follow our country. They are not shown. Why? Because something is wrong with them.

    Are there negotiations between Ukrainian dispatchers and a Boeing? Of course; the crew did not suffer dumbness, nor did the controllers. Ukraine hides them. Why? Because there is something wrong.

    Is there accounting for Buk-o missiles in Ukraine? Here it may well turn out that it does not exist (although this cannot be in any normal country). Ukrainians can imagine the situation - these are our missiles, so much is used then and then; here is the rest. They may, they should be able to, but they don’t. Why? Lack, apparently (although here, of course, there may be theft, with the sale to the side, these are Ukrainians wassat ).

    "Ищи, кому выгодно". Выгодна ли ополченцам эта ситуация? Ясно, что нет; могут террористами объявить. Выгодна она России? Конечно, нет. Результат этой укровской провокации незаконные богохульные санкции.

    The beneficiaries in this situation are the USA and Ukraine. Even the EU has not received any benefits from this. Among the beneficiaries, and you need to look for those responsible.
  16. cniza
    cniza 14 October 2015 15: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: Gormengast
    Everything is solved simply.



    The beneficiaries in this situation are the USA and Ukraine. Even the EU has not received any benefits from this. Among the beneficiaries, and you need to look for those responsible.



    The EU also knew everything and is silent, so that they are all smeared in one world.
  17. Region 23
    Region 23 14 October 2015 15: 42 New
    0
    Press conference of the Federal Air Transport Agency on the report of the Netherlands on the causes of the crash of MH 17
  18. individual
    individual 14 October 2015 15: 43 New
    +4
    It’s enough for us to mumble and make excuses.
    Counter-arguments on the accusation of the West in the death of MN-17 are presented and the point.
    The truth must be with your teeth!
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 14 October 2015 16: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: individ
      The truth must be with your teeth!

      And good with fists!
  19. Foxmara
    Foxmara 14 October 2015 15: 46 New
    +1
    What was Ukrainian air defense doing there ?? Our TAM planes did not fly, the DPR does not have them, in any case it wasn’t then.
  20. demo
    demo 14 October 2015 15: 51 New
    +3
    Any sane person, having studied all the official evidence, including the cards presented by us, cannot but come to the conclusion that if the Boeing 777 was knocked down from the ground, it could only be from the territory controlled at that time by the Ukrainian army - the village of Zaroschenskoye - and from the weapons still in service with the Ukrainian army.

    Ключевая фраза -"Любой здравомыслящий человек".
    Those who made the decision to bring down the Boeing, those who carried out this decision. and those who try to look like innocent sheep are not sane - they are abnormal people. More precisely, nonhumans.
  21. tovaris_s
    tovaris_s 14 October 2015 15: 52 New
    +1
    Вы очень зря этих уродов считаете д.билами.Блокирование темы трибунала Россией просчитывалось легко.Конечно отмазать укропов много сложнее.Варьете с Табуреткиным на глазах разыграли.Кто удивился? Своих умельцев в достатке.Не удивляйтесь-Парася отмазывает госдеп.Кривовато,но пока результативно.А вот теперь то "трибунал" закрыли можно и палиться!
  22. slaw14
    slaw14 14 October 2015 15: 57 New
    +6
    За пару дней до трагедии просматривал сводку украинец новостей ,там было показано прибытие "Буков" в зону АТО ,в интервью командиры расчетов утверждали, что прибыли на учения по отработке ударов по условному противнику и прикрытия воздушного пространства Украины от пилотов России. После катастрофы архив исчез, как впрочем сами украинец" Буки". Но как бы украинцы не утверждали об отсутствии данной техники в зоне АТО она всеравно засветилась:за день до трагедии
    look with 4:43
  23. stonks
    stonks 14 October 2015 17: 04 New
    0
    Quote: Andrea
    Are they really on such a strong hook that they are ready to drain everything.
    Yes, from the very beginning of the investigation, it was clear that they were not going to investigate a damn thing.
    Customize the investigation to the assigned result.

    Unfortunately, that’s it.
    Politics is the dirtiest and meanest occupation of those in the world.
    And in politics go the most ruthless and unprincipled people - IMHO.
  24. Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 14 October 2015 19: 40 New
    0
    Everything is simple. Having recognized that they shot down the APU, you will have to answer your citizens questions about the sanctions imposed against us. The overwhelming majority of Europeans did not doubt the Russian trace, and then it suddenly turns out that everything is completely wrong !!! what a breakdown in consciousness what a lie from their governments .. how to explain the sanctions and accusatory rhetoric that have been going on all this time? Therefore, they will never admit the truth and will slowly merge ... release on the brakes (((