In Donetsk, again presented a map of the location of the Ukrainian "Bukov", marked at the time of the death of passengers MH-17

October 14 2015 35

Representatives of the Donetsk People’s Republic showed a map showing the positions of the Ukrainian air defense systems in the Donbas region in July 2014. The deputy head of the defense department of the DPR, Eduard Basurin, notes that this document is a trophy - it was left with officers of the 1 battalion of the 95 separate airmobile brigade along with other important documentation. Basurin recalls that the Donetsk map was already shown some time after the crash of the Boeing, but then in Kiev and in the West it was called a fake. Now, Basurin believes, the real map of real Ukrainian positions is becoming even more relevant, since it unequivocally confirms the conclusions made by the specialists of the Almaz-Antey concern.

Donetsk News Agency quotes Eduard Basurin:

This document, in our opinion, is a direct evidence confirming the guilt of the Ukrainian soldiers in the destruction of the Malaysian "Boeing". (...) On this map, the launch positions of the Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missile systems are marked. One position is located near the settlement of Gruzsko-Zoryanskoe, three kilometers west of Ilovaisk, the second is two kilometers south of Shakhtersk, near the settlement of Zaroshchenskoye, at a height marked 224.8. That is exactly where the Russian experts indicated.

Basurin continues:

Any sane person, having studied all the official evidence, including the maps presented by us, cannot but conclude that if the Boeing 777 was brought down from the ground, it could only be from the territory controlled by the Ukrainian army at that time Zaroshchenskoye village - and from weapons, still in service with the Ukrainian army.

Should we expect that Kiev recognizes the involvement of the Ukrainian military to the strike on MH-17, given that Kiev still does not recognize the strike on the Tu-154 in 2001? .. Rosaviatsiya reports that Ukraine has not officially recognized its guilty of the horrible incident over the Black Sea, when the teachings of the Ukrainian army led to the death of airliner passengers. According to the deputy head of the Federal Air Navigation Agency, Oleg Storchevoy, compensation to the families of those killed by Ukraine has not been paid even 14 years after the tragedy.

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Sasha 19871987

+16

14 October 2015 14: 29

common sense is not always present among politicians ... And it’s already pleasing that the Golanians are scolding Ukrainians, that they did not block the sky in the conflict zone !!! About the rocket, so the guys from Almaz-Antey have already dotted everything and decided not to suffer from Baltology and just carried out a series of visual explosions, so to speak, instead of a thousand words ...
1. Baikonur
  
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  14 October 2015 14: 31
  
  But I will quote the philosopher (I don’t remember who): the truth ALWAYS will strike its way!
  + How much the rope does not curl - the end will always be enough!
  I really hope and wait for the confirmation of these true sayings!
  And confirmation of the honest name of Donbass!
  Good luck to them!
  1. stonks
    
    +1
    
    14 October 2015 16: 59
    
    There is (if still alive) a whole bunch of people who provided and carried out the launch of the rocket.
    There should be a bunch of launch witnesses (a very noisy and spectacular event) from the civilians in the area from where the launch was made.
    Interestingly, but this is the village of Zaroshchansky NOW UNDER WHICH CONTROL?
    
    So, I also think that the truth will come up!
2. vovanpain
  
  +15
  
  14 October 2015 14: 34
  
  Quote: Sasha 19871987
  common sense is not always present among politicians ... and it’s already pleasing that the Golanians are scolding Ukrainians, that they haven’t covered the skies in the conflict zone, and about the rocket guys from ALmaz-Antey have already dotted all about the ill-fated rocket
  
  Everyone knows perfectly well who and when shot down, now the mattresses will remove ukrov from under the blow of their slaves, and then this miserable Boeing will begin to wreck
  1. MIKHALYCH1
    
    +1
    
    14 October 2015 14: 51
    
    Quote: vovanpain
    Everyone knows perfectly well who and when shot down, now the mattresses will remove ukrov from under the blow of their slaves, and then this miserable Boeing will begin to wreck
    
    There are satellite images, but they are not yet laid out so that the US does not substitute! We are not touching Ukraine yet ... But we are working quietly in Syria (well, there are screams, of course)))) However, Russia still benefits from this, but soon (although nobody will need it in the West anymore ..) Ukraine is no longer a state , so ... thank Valtsman!
    1. Andrea
      
      +3
      
      14 October 2015 15: 01
      
      A lot of things were passed by and the rules were violated.
      Therefore, I can not understand the Dutch in any way, because it is THEM citizens who died!
      Are they really on such a strong hook that they are ready to drain everything.
      Yes, from the very beginning of the investigation, it was clear that they were not going to investigate a damn thing.
      Customize the investigation to the assigned result.
      1. KazaK Bo
        
        +7
        
        14 October 2015 15: 16
        
        Andrea
        A lot of things were passed by and the rules were violated.
        Therefore, I can not understand the Dutch in any way, because it is THEM citizens who died!
        Are they really on such a strong hook that they are ready to drain everything.
        
        A 2-hour press conference was held by the Deputy Head of the Federal Air Transport Agency. He left no stone unturned from the arguments and argumentation of the report of the Dutch commission. He did not say directly, but between the lines of his phrases did not even sound, but SCREAMED "THIS REPORT IS AN ACTION TO COVER THE PROVOCATION OF THE WEST IN DONBASS IN ORDER TO TAKE THE STRONGEST MEASURES AGAINST RUSSIA" !!!
        Therefore, when an international provocation is carried out, then the WEST has enough Cynicism and meanness to sacrifice with its citizens in order to create objectivity visibility !!!
        By the way, MALAYSIA EXPRESSED A PROTEST IN CONNECTION WITH NOT INCLUDING INFORMATION AND PROPOSALS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION DURING THE PREPARATION OF THE REPORT! And they promised to protest this report. In the beginning, together with Australia, they were the most furious accusers of Russia. The truth finds support.
        
        Amurets
        
        +3
        
        14 October 2015 15: 53
        
        Well, what is the fuss about? This was expressed immediately after the incident with the airliner. There was precise evidence that was destroyed by the Bulgarians and artillery of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. But for some reason we began to lose the information war. And the reason seems to be that the elections were recognized as legitimate, the ambassador was returned to Ukraine. .The operation was conceived a long time ago, perhaps even during 08; 08; 08. Here is just done rudely. Why were not the "proofs" from the feyshari and "chirping forty" disproved. That hackers stopped throwing fakes. One might think that these figures have enough intelligence complex password to enter. Before hacking, the ayfoshi had a very difficult password, as much as 40-k zeros. So this perverse lie dragged on for a year and a half. Blame, immediately provide evidence. Because of our slow-wittedness, we lost more than one information war.
        
        Midshipman
        
        +4
        
        14 October 2015 16: 34
        
        I do not agree that they lost. On the contrary - they let them lie to the fullest, and then they brought them to clean water. It’s important not even that they will believe us or not, but that no one else will believe them.
        
        Amurets
        
        +4
        
        14 October 2015 18: 15
        
        Midshipman! While the war is going on. What will happen later, I don't know. So let's not rush. I'm talking about other and information wars. We lost the war for the K-129, We lost the wars with Boeing over Sakhalin and the Bering Sea. Read the book if you find it. , hot skies of the Cold War. In the 80s in the Tekhnika-Molodezhi magazine there was an article about the Aegis system. There is also about the Sakhalin incident and the results of an investigation by the French Pilots Association, which proved that a reconnaissance aircraft was shot down over Sakhalin and a passenger Boeing Korea Airlines shot down by the Americans over the Sangar Strait. So it is naive to think that before there was peace, smoothness and God's grace. The Air Defense Forces had a war and a hot war.
      2. ver_
        
        0
        
        14 October 2015 15: 30
        
        ... you would think that any other country would be very worried about the search for truth in this situation ..
3. Balu495
  
  +1
  
  14 October 2015 15: 31
  
  Hundreds of calculations and calculations, field experiments, computer simulations, hardware recordings of observations using the orbiting satellite constellation, dozens of polls of witnesses located in different regions, comparing and analyzing information received from them, subsequent analysis of the entire array of both structured and unstructured information and conclusions based on the analysis of this array with links to generally recognized methods of such analysis ... All this for more than a year now, Russian experts have been presenting as part of an investigation of the Boeing tragedy in the sky over the Donbass ...
  
  And all this work is crossed out and canceled by just one Tymchuk tweet, which the Western expert community unconditionally believes ...
Finches

+5

14 October 2015 14: 29

Unfortunately, for all "progressive humanity", the truth is not needed and not interesting! But we need to talk about it constantly and loudly - the United States and their lackey Ukraine are killers!
1. Frigate
  
  +1
  
  14 October 2015 14: 40
  
  Quote: Finches
  Unfortunately, for all "progressive humanity", the truth is not needed and not interesting! But we need to talk about it constantly and loudly - the United States and their lackey Ukraine are killers!
  
  Oh, did you still beat Benny, or is Benya out of business? Or is Benya a Ukrainian?
Vyacheslav 64

+3

14 October 2015 14: 30

Well, Americans can’t admit the truth, they just can’t.
1. Lelek
  
  0
  
  14 October 2015 17: 35
  
  Quote: Vyacheslav 64
  Well, Americans can’t admit the truth, they just can’t.
  
  And you do not strain. They can’t - and to hell with them. It will find the truth, or it is not true.
  It is much more relevant that the Bandera leadership is torpedoing the implementation of the Minsk memorandum, and their "guarantors" have turned their backs and pretend that they are not in the know. This is the main thing now.
Abbra

+5

14 October 2015 14: 31

These guys from the Netherlands will never prove the obvious. All sold and purchased by the States. This is called - throwing beads in front of pigs.
chikenous59

0

14 October 2015 14: 33

At least someone shot down, no one pleads guilty! Perhaps they will simply try to hush everything up and not arrange any tribunal.
gas113

0

14 October 2015 14: 40

The title of the article cuts both the plural and singular in one bottle. Not literate but somehow in the title ....
1. Amurets
  
  +1
  
  14 October 2015 16: 01
  
  So the same Ukrainians wrote, and the Russian language is not known to them.
Stinger

+2

14 October 2015 14: 43

Any sane person ... cannot help but conclude that if the Boeing 777 was knocked down from the ground, it could only be from the territory controlled at that time by the Ukrainian army - the village of Zaroshchenskoye - and from weapons still since being in service with the Ukrainian army.

So the sane person will see the same thing, not the expert with his eyes closed, and even in the NATO hangar, where the fragments of the liner were collected!
Lena Alena

0

14 October 2015 14: 47

"Everyone knows perfectly well who and when knocked down, now the mattress makers will take ukrov out of the blow, and then they will start to overwhelm this unfortunate Boeing."
In a set of recent events, maybe they won’t ...
Serg koma

+1

14 October 2015 14: 49

Common sense - (minus) ia = dill
dr.star75

+1

14 October 2015 14: 56

The investigation has already fulfilled its main task: the commission has ruined the whole world for a whole year! For the majority, it’s not like the "male organ", they have already forgotten about the incident itself. I would not be surprised if they soon start writing: was there a Boeing?
sl22277

+2

14 October 2015 15: 00

Nevertheless, a small step towards the truth has been made. A Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 on flight MH17 from Amsterdam (Netherlands) to Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) was shot down on July 17, 2014 over Donbas, resulting in the painful death of 283 passengers and 15 crew members - citizens of 10 states. Ukraine was named legally responsible for this. The West really wanted to nail Russia to a pillory, but instead of it, it turned out to be Poroshenko's regime of Ukraine, which, as usual, is bringing everything down to Moscow.
veksha50

+9

14 October 2015 15: 01

"According to the deputy head of the Federal Air Transport Agency Oleg Storchevoy,compensation to the families of the victims of Ukraine was not paid and 14 years after the tragedy"...

And why ??? After all, this is world practice ... Yes, because they forgave the "Slavic brothers" ...

And our planes over Georgia, shot down by weapons and calculations from the Stryi anti-aircraft missile regiment (deployed in the city of Stryi, Lviv region) ??? It also somehow got away with it ... And then they didn’t even notice what Ukraine was going to ...

And the participation of ukroboevikov on the Chechen side, against Russia ??? Also, none of the boyars and rulers did not notice ...

And now we wash ourselves, chop off, brush off ... It's time to put this viper before the facts, strangle it economically ...

And enough of these excuses ... tired ...
1. Amurets
  
  +1
  
  14 October 2015 16: 13
  
  veksha50. Not in the subject. I dropped a link and a comment there in an article about the Okinawan governor.
2. figter
  
  0
  
  14 October 2015 17: 43
  
  By the way, it would be nice to take samples of the missile debris from there and compare it with the debris of the missile that shot down the Boeing. I would not be surprised if they are also from the same party and sent to the same military unit. At least passed through the same arsenal or base. There are relatively few missiles fired. The accounting was from the times of the USSR. If you work hard, you can raise all this.
Reptiloid

+3

14 October 2015 15: 01

In my opinion, they will always be blamed for the whole of Russia. Moreover, attempts to rewrite history in general and the Great Patriotic War, in particular, continue. Now it happens in our schools at history lessons. And the teachers who do not understand what this is about? Children in LDNR received the hardest lesson American stories.
Kiroant

+2

14 October 2015 15: 18

Yes, even if the "heroislava" themselves provide a video recording of the live broadcast from the position of the urkobuk, all the same, the "owner" will be cut off, all the same, Putin V.V. will be extreme.
Gormenghast

+4

14 October 2015 15: 22

Everything is solved simply.

Are there satellite images of the moment of the disaster? There is; they cannot fail to be, given how universal people follow our country. They are not shown. Why? Because something is wrong with them.

Are there negotiations between Ukrainian dispatchers and a Boeing? Of course; the crew did not suffer dumbness, nor did the controllers. Ukraine hides them. Why? Because there is something wrong.

Is there accounting for Buk-o missiles in Ukraine? Here it may well turn out that it does not exist (although this cannot be in any normal country). Ukrainians can imagine the situation - these are our missiles, so much is used then and then; here is the rest. They may, they should be able to, but they don’t. Why? Lack, apparently (although here, of course, there may be theft, with the sale to the side, these are Ukrainians ).

"Look for who benefits." Is this situation beneficial to the militias? Clearly not; can be declared terrorists. Is it profitable for Russia? Of course not. The result of this ukrovskaya provocation is illegal blasphemous sanctions.

The beneficiaries in this situation are the USA and Ukraine. Even the EU has not received any benefits from this. Among the beneficiaries, and you need to look for those responsible.
cniza

+4

14 October 2015 15: 32

Quote: Gormengast
Everything is solved simply.

The beneficiaries in this situation are the USA and Ukraine. Even the EU has not received any benefits from this. Among the beneficiaries, and you need to look for those responsible.

The EU also knew everything and is silent, so that they are all smeared in one world.
region 23

0

14 October 2015 15: 42

Press conference of the Federal Air Transport Agency on the report of the Netherlands on the causes of the crash of MH 17
individual

+4

14 October 2015 15: 43

It’s enough for us to mumble and make excuses.
Counter-arguments on the accusation of the West in the death of MN-17 are presented and the point.
The truth must be with your teeth!
1. Saratoga833
  
  +2
  
  14 October 2015 16: 13
  
  Quote: individ
  The truth must be with your teeth!
  
  And good with fists!
Foxmara

+1

14 October 2015 15: 46

What was Ukrainian air defense doing there ?? Our TAM planes did not fly, the DPR does not have them, in any case it wasn’t then.
demo

+3

14 October 2015 15: 51

Any sane person, having studied all the official evidence, including the cards presented by us, cannot but come to the conclusion that if the Boeing 777 was knocked down from the ground, it could only be from the territory controlled at that time by the Ukrainian army - the village of Zaroschenskoye - and from the weapons still in service with the Ukrainian army.

Key phrase - "Any sane person."
Those who made the decision to bring down the Boeing, those who carried out this decision. and those who try to look like innocent sheep are not sane - they are abnormal people. More precisely, nonhumans.
products_s

+1

14 October 2015 15: 52

You really shouldn't think these freaks are d. Biles. Blocking the topic of the tribunal by Russia was miscalculated. Of course, it is much more difficult to smear dill. Variety show with Taburetkin was played in front of our eyes. Who was surprised? Dostatke.Do not be surprised at its craftsmen, Parasya otmazyvaet gosdep.Krivovato, but for now it is effective. And now the "tribunal" has been closed and you can burn!
slaw14

+6

14 October 2015 15: 57

A couple of days before the tragedy, a Ukrainian was looking through the news bulletin, it showed the arrival of the Bukovs in the ATO zone, in an interview, the commanders of the crews claimed that they had arrived at the exercises to practice strikes against a conditional enemy and cover the airspace of Ukraine from Russian pilots. After the catastrophe, the archive disappeared, as did the Ukrainian "Buki" themselves. But no matter how the Ukrainians assert about the absence of this equipment in the ATO zone, it still lit up: the day before the tragedy
look with 4:43
stonks

0

14 October 2015 17: 04

Quote: Andrea
Are they really on such a strong hook that they are ready to drain everything.
Yes, from the very beginning of the investigation, it was clear that they were not going to investigate a damn thing.
Customize the investigation to the assigned result.

Unfortunately, that’s it.
Politics is the dirtiest and meanest occupation of those in the world.
And in politics go the most ruthless and unprincipled people - IMHO.
Bekas1967

0

14 October 2015 19: 40

Everything is simple. Having recognized that they shot down the APU, you will have to answer your citizens questions about the sanctions imposed against us. The overwhelming majority of Europeans did not doubt the Russian trace, and then it suddenly turns out that everything is completely wrong !!! what a breakdown in consciousness what a lie from their governments .. how to explain the sanctions and accusatory rhetoric that have been going on all this time? Therefore, they will never admit the truth and will slowly merge ... release on the brakes (((