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Self-defense, hand-to-hand combat, martial art

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Unfortunately, many now do not understand the difference between fighting and martial arts, thinking that fighting is not Borodino, but two men wearing tatami in helmets. There is no understanding of the differences and self-defense from the martial art. Accordingly, it is difficult for a person to choose a section suitable for him. There is a need to define the terms, because without knowing what to do, a person can waste a lot of time.


First you need to decide on hand-to-hand combat.
Dahl’s dictionary treats the Republic of Belarus in the following way: “fight, fight, manual battle with cold weapons or with batons and fists. "
Okay, Dahl is the 19 century, it's already история. What does the more or less modern Ozhegov dictionary tell us?
"fight (fight), made by cold arms, bayonets and butts".
Where is even a word about the helmet, gloves, tatami? Okay, Ozhegov is also not an authority.
Let's look at the combat regulations of the ground forces of the Russian Federation: "there is a variety of close combat with the use of the opposing sides of martial arts techniques with various types of weapons, equipment, improvised means, and also without them at direct contact with each other."
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Self-defense, hand-to-hand combat, martial art

Hand-to-hand fight

Combat Sports (shot from the film "Hand-to-hand Combat")

There are 3 types of combat training (depending on the students, their goals and capabilities):

Short course:
Self defense or short hand-to-hand combat complex - such as the Fairburn system. Gentleman's set of technical actions. Pragmatic minimalism. A common, standard set of techniques for all students without exception. Quick, cheap and angry - so that you can learn as soon as possible.

Middle course:
Hand-to-hand fight - this is a full-fledged combat training, including survival skills. Here, training is already being built in different ways, depending on the type of pupil plastics, its dimensions, etc. So they prepared, most likely, the same Kadochnikov, Gruntovsky senior and others. "In the civilian world" so almost no cooking.

Full course:
Martial arts - this is a whole world, the study of which takes life. This requires training from a youth - and, training is complete and correct. So lucky units. Here the battle is only one of the facets, along with the improvement and internal development. Here they are learning how to live, how and what to eat, what clothes to wear and so on.

So think, based on your requests and needs - what you need and what you can get. Hand-to-hand combat, you are unlikely to study in full, unless you serve where necessary. Yes, and then you have to get there, so that they will still choose you, find it appropriate. An ordinary person for ordinary purposes may be sufficient course of self-defense.

Combat sports (with all due respect to them) do not apply to combat training. And that's why.

Martial culture developed in ancient times when people lived by clans and tribes. Tribe, kinsman - this is your own. It is impossible to touch him in the event of a conflict. First, most likely a relative, and secondly, punished. Yes, and there were too few warriors to scatter them. If you allow between their fatal fights, then very soon the tribe will have no one to protect. And then it will capture others. A stranger is a representative of a hostile clan or tribe. In relation to it, anything is possible. No rules and restrictions. On the contrary - the worse for him, the better.

But the conflicts between their own must be solved! Which exit? Out in limiting violence. The main thing is not to be fatal - the number of soldiers is limited. And there is no sense to cripple each other - first, the cripple is worse than the dead - you have to feed him, and he himself can hardly benefit the family (arguing from the point of view of the ancient leader). Secondly, the conflict does not exhaust it.
Then in the world practice 2 options appear:
- fist fight
- knife fight, but only before the first blood

It turns out, and the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe. And the men themselves felt, and no one was hurt.

But as for conflicts with strangers, here it is necessary to act as cruelly and as traumatic as possible. There are no restrictions here.

You have probably already guessed which of the above cases relates to hand-to-hand fighting, and from which evolutionary martial arts evolved.

Another root of combat sports is ritual fights dedicated to deities, or repeating (symbolizing) a myth. Or it could be a military trizn - memorial battles.

Different directions have different goals and objectives. Some will show a beautiful duel. The word "duel" says that it is a one-on-one battle. “Single combat” is also a word from this series. Fight one on one.

And others harshly and quickly neutralize the enemy.

Another point, because of which there is a lack of understanding in society - legislative bans on weapons. In the ancient world, slaves did not have the right to bear arms. Today, in the so-called civilized countries of this right, almost no one has any hint. But we are about something else. Because of this prohibition, people have the wrong idea that hand-to-hand combat is a fight using only arms and legs. And then it really is difficult to distinguish it from martial arts. If both there and there are shots and throws, then what is the difference for an illiterate, or pick-up man in the street? Right, nothing.

But the point is that hand-to-hand combat is, above all, a fight with a weapon. And the fight with bare hands is an auxiliary part when the weapon is lost for some reason. But nowadays, because of all these aforementioned prohibitions on carrying weapons and laws on self-defense, it makes sense for an ordinary person to study only this fight with his bare hands. Well, instructors for the most part do not want to take risks, and do not go further than teaching this section.

And most people do not want to ponder whether there is a difference - after all, in the melee techniques there are punches, and in sports. And the fact that the application areas, for example, are different, are not very interesting to anyone. It is one thing to hit the jaws with a centus (knuckles), and another to nape the edge of a fist.

It can be said differently - hand-to-hand equipment is something that is forbidden in sports. Shots on the back of the head, spine, groin, etc. But this, of course, applied techniques are not exhausted. Moreover, in martial art there are strikes that can be compared with sports, ritual, such as the usual blow to the jaw.

Summing up, we can say that hand-to-hand combat is a fight between two groups of armed people with a fatal outcome for many of them. This includes hand-to-hand combat, self-defense, and martial art. While the duel of two unarmed athletes by the rules - this is sports combat. Of course, there may be such an option when a person beats on the street one on one, and it is possible that without the use of any means or weapons, but with his bare hands. But even in this case, it is not a sports match. Here we must look at the essence, not the name. For example, training fights on bayonet combat with parallel study of strikes with a butt, work with a small infantry shovel, knife, helmet, punches, kicks and throws could be considered a melee combat. But nowadays bayonet is of little relevance.

In addition, there must be:
- work against weapons
- work against the group
- work with improvised means

There should be comprehensive training, including all possible sections.

This article is not intended to cause controversy, but give ground for reflection.
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  1. blizart
    blizart 16 October 2015 06: 37 New
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    With the advent and improvement of firearms, any martial arts in the regular troops moved to the point-of-use area. For a melee clash between two soldiers of hostile armies to arise, they need to stumble upon each other .... naked. I will repeat the words of our hand-to-hand instructor, winner of the Armed Forces boxing:

    Bicep volume does not affect bullet speed.
    All commandos died in fire contact, and not in hand-to-hand combat.
    In hand-to-hand combat, the one with the most rounds wins.
    If he knew Russian well, then the amount of skepticism expressed would be even greater, and so he repeats what he insisted on from his teachers.
    Shoot like a cowboy, run like his horse and everything will be fine with you.
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 16 October 2015 07: 39 New
      +9
      Quote: blizart
      Bicep volume does not affect bullet speed.
      All commandos died in fire contact, and not in hand-to-hand combat.

      All right, of course, completely agree. But how to develop morale?
      1. blizart
        blizart 16 October 2015 08: 05 New
        +9
        All right, of course, completely agree. But how to develop morale?

        Jogging smile . It’s not true how to creep .... eleven miles in full gear, such a spirit rises - the spirit of overcoming. Of course, in a free from field exits, a march of throws, firing, maintenance of equipment and animals, putting things in order on the territory - we fight when the forces remain.
    2. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 16 October 2015 17: 25 New
      +1
      There were situations in Chechnya when it was impossible to use weapons. I'm talking about the elite special units of the gro. For example, in a cramped room there was a meeting of two opponents. In such a situation, not a firearm works, which by the way can be for example knocked out, or it was inconvenient to use.
      In this case, only muscles and tendons / arms, legs, heads worked.
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 17 October 2015 09: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        There were situations in Chechnya when it was impossible to use weapons. I'm talking about the elite special units of the gro. For example, in a cramped room there was a meeting of two opponents.

        In order for hand-to-hand combat to occur in the current situation, there must be 2 idiots who have lost personal weapons, items of ammunition from the shoulder blade to the belt, and lagged behind their units. This was told to us in quarantine by a man who fought for more than 20 years. And I tend to believe him.
        ZY What penisa did the "prospectors" forget in a room where there are darlings, without weapons? Strange special forces ... No Val, no APB, no banal sharpening ... They invented the story themselves, no?
  2. D-Master
    D-Master 16 October 2015 07: 25 New
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    the author issued another opus, quite extensively discussing what he does not understand. Of course, how can the author learn about sports and applied disciplines. As soon as it comes to sports, the reader understands that the goal of the discipline is competitive. Applied disciplines - are preparation for specific tasks. In the case of the military - the destruction of as many of the enemy as possible. If we are talking about the police, then it’s not destruction, which is punishable by law, but neutralization. But there is also a firefighting applied area where firefighters learn to storm ditches and buildings at speed and flood fires. This is the same applied form but you can compete in it ...
    Author - stop writing about what you don’t understand. The reader is aware of the differences; he is much smarter and more subtle than you think the author. And most importantly ... sporting differs very little from applied, due to the practical uniformity of movement. Therefore, a good athlete is easy to prepare as a good applied specialist. But ... applied art is a weapon and it needs to be sheathed and it is better not to take out to the street full of ordinary people. This is the ground for thought to author.
    1. tomsk
      tomsk 16 October 2015 08: 35 New
      +3
      here you are wrong. if everyone in Russia had at least minimal knowledge of hand-to-hand combat, the number of attacks and robberies would have sharply decreased on the streets. each of the bandits would think three times before attacking a lone passerby. an example is the same china. and I believe that hand-to-hand combat should be introduced in the army, not only in special forces, but in all others. and practice self-defense among civilians. There are a lot of advantages in this.
      1. blizart
        blizart 16 October 2015 09: 31 New
        +7
        Let me give you a long answer. Why, for example, all sorts of exotic practices of survival, such as eating snakes, larvae, etc. cause scouts to grin? Yes, because once on the verge, your threshold of disgust will decrease so much; what you only need to know is what you can eat and what you cannot. Something like that with a melee. Millions of years of evolution can not be overcome by years of training. Being in a deadly battle, the subcortex will give the best maneuver for a knife glint and a wave of the scapula, you only need to have more power on this maneuver than your enemy. And here it will help you lol running
        1. sub307
          sub307 16 October 2015 13: 15 New
          +2
          "And here lol running will help you" And ... a good "healthy fear" (aka fear), because this is a normal instinct .... In general: there is an opportunity - "run" (retreat, break the distance, etc.) etc.), pinned "to the wall" without options - fight (blanks in the form of some experience, it is preferable to have). And so ... - the topic is inexhaustible ...
      2. S-cream
        S-cream 16 October 2015 09: 50 New
        +9
        You are probably not very well aware of the development of such a situation. If everyone possesses "even a minimal knowledge of hand-to-hand combat," then "each of the bandits" will be better prepared than the average "everyone."
        There are, of course, many advantages, but to instill in "everyone" the skills of self-defense at a level normal for self-defense is unrealistic from a practical point of view. Not to mention the fact that all people are different, and some are simply not capable of mastering self-defense techniques at the psycho-physiological level.
        And about China. Do you seriously think that a billion Chinese are completely versatile in self-defense and hand-to-hand fighting? No, they, by and large, are just like ours.
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 16 October 2015 10: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: S-cream
          You are probably not very well aware of the development of such a situation. ... There are, of course, many advantages, but it is unrealistic from a practical point of view to instill in "everyone" the skills of self-defense at a level normal for self-defense. Not to mention the fact that all people are different, and some are simply not capable of mastering self-defense techniques at the psycho-physiological level.

          Now, for how many years now they have been struggling so that pedestrians cross the road in a designated place stop . Sense ZERO. fool And this is one of the sections of self-preservation. hi
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 17 October 2015 14: 09 New
            +1
            pv1005

            Street gangsterism, and civil discipline are problems of the state.

            A strong state, all these things lead to the right standard.

            Try to cross the road to the green light in Israel. You will receive a fine. Or anyone can argue that the Israelis are a people unplayed.
            Also with shooting. There on the street, every third gunner. And the soldiers have one or two more stores. Ask yourself why there are no shootings. Because the state has created a level of responsibility for their actions.
      3. pv1005
        pv1005 16 October 2015 10: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: Tomsk
        here you are wrong. if everyone in Russia had at least minimal knowledge of hand-to-hand combat, the number of attacks and robberies would have sharply decreased on the streets. each of the bandits would think three times before attacking a lone passerby. an example is the same china. and I believe that hand-to-hand combat should be introduced in the army, not only in special forces, but in all others. and practice self-defense among civilians. There are a lot of advantages in this.

        What is the problem then? request GOT FROM SOFA AND DUI IN SECTION! angry
        And yes, who’s the special forces?
      4. revnagan
        revnagan 16 October 2015 20: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Tomsk
        each of the bandits would think three times before attacking a lone passerby.

        Oga. The bandits are not able to learn hand-to-hand combat. Genetically. As soon as he became a bang-bang! And all the skills were taken away.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 17 October 2015 14: 01 New
      +1
      D-master

      To say that the author does not understand anything, is equivalent to you. You should not start with such high-profile accusations.

      The author expressed his point of view and introduced a classification, review.

      I take this opportunity to thank the author. The topic seemed informative and interesting. The presentation style is also clear, without excessive thematic detail.
  3. Irbis
    Irbis 16 October 2015 08: 01 New
    +2
    It's time to introduce criminal liability for amateurs broadcasting their fantasies
  4. Nazaroff
    Nazaroff 16 October 2015 08: 35 New
    +6
    The author laid out everything correctly. And then some statements that MMA or kickboxing is the most effective type of hand-to-hand combat are simply ridiculous to read) I’ll only add that the fights in the applied RB with various inputs, using mock-ups of weapons, with maximum protective equipment are mandatory!
  5. Archikah
    Archikah 16 October 2015 08: 57 New
    +7
    The most interesting thought in the article is the question of the right to bear arms and slaves in the ancient world. For this, the author +. Everything else is an attempt to theorize the process. Figures of speech. Semantic constructions. drinks
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 17 October 2015 14: 20 New
      0
      Archikah

      The question of the right to bear arms is really interesting.

      I do not think that a legal trunk can stop street crime. I do not think that legalization will increase domestic crime. I do not think that legal possession, wearing creates a civil anti-state protest.

      The presence, open carrying or possession of a weapon, after a surge of interest immediately after legalization, is likely to turn into a regular hobby.

      But starting a business for the state does not make sense, since a return to the prohibition of ownership is much more difficult. Therefore, a state with a ban on the possession of civilian weapons is rather predominantly.
  6. Stas57
    Stas57 16 October 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    What is it now?
  7. Igor K
    Igor K 16 October 2015 09: 17 New
    +5
    A weapon is a continuation of a fighter but not something independent and requires a separate study.
    After mastering the lever system of a person and gaining the ability to mate levers by adding and subtracting speeds, all that remains is the continuation of the human body in the form of different types of weapons and a little specialization due to the different geometry and mechanics of different types of weapons.
    What with weapons, that without it the laws of motion are the same.
  8. erased
    erased 16 October 2015 09: 26 New
    +5
    Unfortunately, now many do not understand the difference between hand-to-hand combat and martial arts


    Unfortunately, few people understand the difference between melee and melee. Apparently, the author, too, if so writes.
    I have already given the definition of close combat on the site. I will repeat it.
    Melee combat is the battle of two or more opponents using firearms and cold steel, a trench tool, improvised items, and physical strength at a distance of less than 3 meters.
    Melee objectives:
    1. Destruction of the enemy.
    2. Capturing.
    The second option is the action of intelligence for various purposes.
    I'd love to know if the author of the article Mikhail Didenko experience in sports, combat experience in close combat, experience in training athletes or employees of state paramilitary organizations? For judging by the text of the article, stamps and arguments on the topic are typed in it, but not a detailed analysis.

    Now on the history of the battle (bumps or even dances of Nanai boys) and sports.
    Man initially fought on two fronts. Against the animal world (defense or prey) and against rivals or a clan (or tribe). The second option is not always fatal. In the first case, at the dawn of humanity, ritual fights against an imaginary beast were in use. To appease the spirits, to beg the victim (or to deceive), to show their strength and skill in front of fellow tribesmen. In any case, these were the first trainings to develop a certain hunting technique.
    In the future, when society was already divided into classes (an excess product appeared and it became possible to feed narrow specialists), groups arose, groups of armed people (in short, pros) who were engaged only in military affairs. They have already purposefully practiced combat techniques and tactics (this is even later). It was from here that arose sport - competitions, the purpose of which was not to kill the enemy, but to demonstrate superiority over their own comrades. And the exercises were purely special - throwing spears, discs, hammers, archery, running, wrestling.
    1. erased
      erased 16 October 2015 09: 26 New
      +5
      In the 19th century, the distinction finally emerged between military training and sports. There were rules of the duel (wrestling, boxing, fencing), restrictions. There was a commercial goal - making money. And after that, the sports direction finally diverged from the military (as they say - applied).
      This affected absolutely all martial arts (the battle of two people). Including oriental. Although there was another goal - perfecting the spirit through perfecting the body. This matter did not have a military component. Although this does not mean that adherents of all directions could not do anything.
      Military methods went their own way, but they necessarily had a sports-competitive aspect, as an obligatory stage of preparation. Without it, the military technique turned into ballet according to the type of aikido or the so-called Kadochnikov technique.
      Martial arts have goals - making money (which means entertainment), competitions between teams or individual fighters, and socio-political tasks. Well, the relative safety of sports, so as not to lose everyone in one day or a month. All this dictates the technique of battle, the rules of refereeing, the limitations of the arsenal of techniques.
      Military methods do not know any restrictions, they have one goal - to teach a warrior to kill an enemy. All. What techniques are used, what they are called - it does not matter.
      At the present stage, close combat is unlikely and rarely comes to him even in conditions of urban combat or combat in the forest. However, practicing close combat in the army is important. This is physical preparation and moral-volitional, which is especially important.
      The layman can do anything from a drawing circle to a mixfight. This will give him a certain skill in fighting on the street against hooligans, bandits, and other "jokers". How well he applies his skill is another matter. If a soldier (trained) enters the battle on the street, the outcome of the battle will be the death of the attackers. At best, crippling. A different outcome speaks of poor military training. Of course, the calculation takes into account the number of enemies, surprise of the attack, weapons and so on. By the way, a soldier may also die.

      Here's a quick overview without going into the subject. You just need to clearly understand - what and why is created and how to teach it. The rest is husk and vocabulary.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 16 October 2015 19: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: erased
        If a military man (trained) enters the battle, the battle will result in the death of the attackers.

        Which shows a rather miserable level of military training of this man ...
        What is taught in sports? Fight by the rules with an equal (approximately) opponent. What is taught in self-defense courses? Survival (a smart instructor relentlessly reminds about running). What do they teach ... what do they owe, are they obliged (and now do not teach) in the army?
        Must be taught to do DOSED damage to accomplish a task. Do you understand the difference? The army is not a horde of killers. The army is not for the stupid massacre of anyone on hand. The military professional did not plague drenched. It is necessary to carry out a combat mission, bring victory to the country, and not with bloodshot eyes rush to destroy and destroy everything.
        In some very specific cases, the enemy’s manpower should be destroyed. In others - to create as many wounded and crippled opponents as possible. Wounded, not dead! Somewhere you need to destroy some objects, without having the task of killing someone. And often, even very often, it is necessary to ensure that the enemy remains intact, but is suppressed, broken psychologically, completely lost the will to fight. To achieve a common victory, such moments are extremely important, and if you simply kill the enemy, the combat mission will simply not be completed.
        A truly trained pro chooses the damage he does to the enemy. And it does exactly the damage that he chose (or the one he ordered to inflict). This is a truly trained military specialist. Do not know how to do this? You are not a trained fighter, but simply mechanically trained meat. Sorry, it turned out abruptly, but it's true.
        1. erased
          erased 16 October 2015 20: 20 New
          +3
          That you tell our pilots in Syria about the metered damage. Or do you think bombs and missiles selectively kill and cause wounds there? Or should our soldiers try to hurt, not kill the Germans during the Great War?
          It's one thing - the psychological effect of damage, another thing - to choose "I will bang the foe or give a kick ?!"
          ISIS militants dump bundles with Syria - this is an example of mental damage.
          If your "self-defense" instructor taught you how to run away from the enemy, then this is a strange person. Have you run away from bullies, leaving your girlfriend, wife, child? Or how? And then - do not confuse the military and civilians. In war, you will think - how not to accidentally pinch the enemy's finger - you will die. This is still possible in civilian life - and what will happen later? .. However, when a couple of villains with knives approaches in the street, and these thoughts disappear.

          Your truth is not clear what kind of character. Too sharply, but honestly.
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            1. erased
              erased 17 October 2015 14: 17 New
              +1
              Well, since you switched to threats and insults, there’s nothing more to say.
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  9. Kerch
    Kerch 16 October 2015 09: 36 New
    +2
    Hmm, but how to learn hand-to-hand combat for "destruction"? How not in the hated training gloves and in the gyms?
    And since when did the standard two in the head, which can knock out a person, stop working? That is, a civilian cannot normally break through, only a military "trained to destroy"?

    And sambo, tricks from freestyle wrestling?
  10. JonnyT
    JonnyT 16 October 2015 09: 50 New
    +2
    come on! In my opinion, the difference is in the final goals! In martial arts - this is to defeat the enemy with minimal harm to the health of the opponent. Well, and in the battle (if it still happened) - neutralize (kill, captivate). And you can’t give up RB - all the same, even with modern combat, there are times where RB is one of the most likely chances of survival
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 16 October 2015 14: 08 New
      +2
      The most important thing is to defeat yourself drinks
  11. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 16 October 2015 11: 19 New
    +1
    And then Chingachguk begins his story .... by the method of dancing Nanai boys.
    Funny article.
    But the comments are much more interesting than the article.
    I really liked about the subcortex, very much.
    Very close to Kremer.
    One problem is that an untrained person does not need a subcortex.
    And to the trained - the subcortex interferes.
    What to do?
    .
    blizart, Regards ....
    1. Igor K
      Igor K 16 October 2015 14: 01 New
      +1
      In terms of applicability, combat systems are nothing more than a set of conditioned reflexes, the level of laying reflexes from the subcortex to the hindbrain, inclusive, it's up to you to what level of fitness you are ready to go.
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 16 October 2015 15: 30 New
        +2
        The namesake, that’s what it is about.
        Conditioned reflexes - they are also conditioned ones that work on some boundary conditions.
        And the "subcortex" in the interpretation of blizart -a, it seems to me, refers precisely to unconditioned reflexes.
        On the verge - cold-dressed, hot-undressed. Without hesitation.
        I do not remember exactly the last name, Kremer or Kramer, I read it for a long time. But he was talking about "emptiness in the head" when working hand-to-hand.
        Mythical "spas".
        1. Mama_Cholli
          Mama_Cholli 16 October 2015 17: 33 New
          +1
          And there is...
  12. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz 16 October 2015 11: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: erased
    In the 19th century, the distinction finally emerged between military training and sports. There were rules of the duel (wrestling, boxing, fencing), restrictions. There was a commercial goal - making money. And after that, the sports direction finally diverged from the military (as they say - applied).
    This affected absolutely all martial arts (the battle of two people). Including oriental. Although there was another goal - perfecting the spirit through perfecting the body. This matter did not have a military component. Although this does not mean that adherents of all directions could not do anything.
    Military methods went their own way, but they necessarily had a sports-competitive aspect, as an obligatory stage of preparation. Without it, the military technique turned into ballet according to the type of aikido or the so-called Kadochnikov technique.
    Martial arts have goals - making money (which means entertainment), competitions between teams or individual fighters, and socio-political tasks. Well, the relative safety of sports, so as not to lose everyone in one day or a month. All this dictates the technique of battle, the rules of refereeing, the limitations of the arsenal of techniques.
    Military methods do not know any restrictions, they have one goal - to teach a warrior to kill an enemy. All. What techniques are used, what they are called - it does not matter.
    At the present stage, close combat is unlikely and rarely comes to him even in conditions of urban combat or combat in the forest. However, practicing close combat in the army is important. This is physical preparation and moral-volitional, which is especially important.
    The layman can do anything from a drawing circle to a mixfight. This will give him a certain skill in fighting on the street against hooligans, bandits, and other "jokers". How well he applies his skill is another matter. If a soldier (trained) enters the battle on the street, the outcome of the battle will be the death of the attackers. At best, crippling. A different outcome speaks of poor military training. Of course, the calculation takes into account the number of enemies, surprise of the attack, weapons and so on. By the way, a soldier may also die.

    Here's a quick overview without going into the subject. You just need to clearly understand - what and why is created and how to teach it. The rest is husk and vocabulary.

    I agree completely!
  13. Hort
    Hort 16 October 2015 12: 28 New
    0
    But the conflicts between their own must be solved! Which exit? Out in limiting violence. The main thing is not to be fatal - the number of soldiers is limited. And there is no sense to cripple each other - first, the cripple is worse than the dead - you have to feed him, and he himself can hardly benefit the family (arguing from the point of view of the ancient leader). Secondly, the conflict does not exhaust it.
    Then in the world practice 2 options appear:
    - fist fight
    - knife fight, but only before the first blood

    I don’t know, I don’t know, and among the Scandinavians and in Russia it was considered one of the most serious insults to strike with a fist or, especially, a sword in a sheath.
    Again, there was such a thing as Holmgang - a challenge to a duel, which was often used by more skilled and stronger warriors or berserkers for enrichment. In general, duels on various occasions were quite common.
  14. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 16 October 2015 17: 07 New
    +2
    Than to spend time reading this nonsense, it is better to do "fell-wrung out" 40 times.
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 16 October 2015 17: 34 New
      0
      Quote: Falcon5555
      Than to spend time reading this nonsense, it is better to do "fell-wrung out" 40 times.

      Learning to think is equally important. ))))
      1. Hort
        Hort 19 October 2015 11: 13 New
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        Well, so push up and think, one does not interfere with the other)))
  15. Leeder
    Leeder 16 October 2015 17: 40 New
    +2
    The author in vain speaks so disparagingly of martial arts.
    It’s just that in sports from martial arts, less traumatic techniques were singled out, because any sport is traumatic, and martial arts especially.
    Practically in all martial arts there are "closed" sections, which are taught only to students who have achieved certain success and have proven their psychological stability. Look at the masters - I have never met one of them inadequate or aggressive. But people who have just gone through a course of hand-to-hand combat, without psychological preparation, are easy.
    It’s easy to prepare martial arts for hand-to-hand combat, for troops too long, that’s the most effective techniques. I’m not talking about the effectiveness of styles, this is a matter of a separate dispute ...
    1. Nazaroff
      Nazaroff 16 October 2015 20: 00 New
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      I do not agree with you. Regarding the psychological stability of the Masters. In my youth I was seriously engaged in boxing. Some of my teammates who have reached the titles of CCM and Masters, now I see drunk and degraded, unfortunately ((
  16. Hleb
    Hleb 16 October 2015 17: 52 New
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    Does the writer promote the book again? looked at the name and surname, did not read further.
  17. Denimax
    Denimax 16 October 2015 20: 48 New
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    One relative told a story. His friend was leading a captive Finn. It turned out that they had searched badly, took the finca out of the boot and pressed it down. It's good that the knife managed to intercept and grab the hare. And under a portion of adrinalin planted the whole store. In rokopashke it is not turning the turntables with your feet (who is a fan of the Korean film "Order 027").
  18. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 October 2015 22: 49 New
    +1
    I didn't understand humor, from the word "GENERAL"
    The author seems to understand very poorly what he is writing about. Absolutizing martial art, he scornfully glances at sports disciplines.
    A simple example. Your girlfriend on the street was offended by a tipsy bully. Your actions:
    1) At the pace of the waltz, tear off his head, wrapping the intestines on the nearest wattle fence. Consequences: court, excess of necessary self-defense, camp (if you are not Vasiliev, of course)
    2) It is available to explain to man the whole depth of his errors. And when he realizes, will penetrate and repent, let him apologize to the girl. You can (and even need!) - on your knees. The consequences are an increase in Good in the Universe. And if this Good (by chance! By chance!) Was accompanied by a pair of broken teeth or a broken rib there - nuuuu, for good science and paying is not a sin laughing
    At the household level of self-defense, the ability to kill with one blow is not just not necessary - it is completely redundant. But martial arts - boxing for example - is it.
  19. Turkir
    Turkir 16 October 2015 23: 24 New
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    The article and comments make Lao Tzu recall:
    "He who knows - he is silent, who does not know - speaks."
  20. SIT
    SIT 17 October 2015 00: 05 New
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    IMHO, the author slightly confused the goals and objectives. It is very reckless to recommend a simple layman preparation according to the Feuerburn method. If suddenly this same philistine correctly performs what commandos called the German word shlagbaum - a blow with the edge of the palm of his hand across the throat, then this very philistine may well go through the stage with Article 105 of the Criminal Code. For all youth fights for self-affirmation or because of the favor of the opposite sex, it’s better not to come up with boxing. Krovischi from the opponent’s broken nose, beautifully crashed, girls piss with boiling water. All! Enough. Accordingly, to the normal section of boxing and train, train, train. As for hand-to-hand combat, namely combat, and not taking the tongue or police operations, it is only for destruction. Behind either their own or corpses. Just because if it came to hand-to-hand combat, it means either a gross error in planning the operation by the command, or some kind of global bad luck. For any reason this is an emergency situation and stress will go through the roof. In addition, this will be aggravated by the fact that there is no one to lead such a battle, since it is simply impossible. Everyone must act independently in an instantly changing environment. The whole problem here is how to prepare a person in such a way as to apply techniques of correct punches, throws, etc. to his innate features of the self-preservation instinct. After all, everything superfluous will instantly fly off under the influence of instinct. This is where acquired sports skills can be harmful. The person closes with a glove from the side as in the ring, but then there is no glove and the side goes with the butt. It is necessary to impose on instinct what will be used in battle. Long workouts. Where to get the time on them, when you still need to carry out firing, tactical, special, etc. training? And you also need to sleep sometime. For at least a year of military service, all this cannot be taught. It can be better because what to do with these skills in civilian life? Instinct runs faster than the mind. Whoever the thread just swings sharply next to within the limits of lateral vision or selfish sensitivity and this will trigger the instinct. The result is, at best, heavy bodily ones. How to prepare a person so that he can also control himself in a combat situation is certainly a secret technique. No one will share this. Well, the books are something to cut down the loot you can write, but specific developments only from specialist to specialist. There are certainly quick wartime techniques, but no one will advertise them either, because these are essentially war crimes.
    As for the Martial Art, these are completely different goals and objectives than those of simple hand-to-hand combat. That is why it has come down to us only in Zen Buddhist monasteries. There, combat techniques are not a goal, but only a means to an end on one of the Paths - the Warrior's Path. The Zen idea is to break through, not gradually enter into a state of expanded consciousness. To do this, you need to reach the limit of your capabilities. This can be the limit of thinking abilities, when the brains boil trying to understand something. On the Path of the Warrior, this limit is obtained by putting a person on the brink of life and death, which leads to the mobilization of the instinct of self-preservation and, as a consequence, the revealing of consciousness. To survive on this brink of life and death, the chelas are trained in combat techniques. Moreover, they are trained so that in battle the threat to life is sooo real, otherwise the instinct will not work, but the defense techniques are also worked out with the same thoroughness in order to survive. As a result, this takes years and decades. Otherwise it is impossible, because just get killed. Then, when a breakthrough into a state of altered consciousness occurred repeatedly in battle, in the future it is enough for the master to enter "meditation in action" - to perform higher, not educational, complexes of Tao or Japanese kata.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 17 October 2015 01: 47 New
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      Quote: SIT
      If suddenly this same philistine correctly fulfills what commandos called the German word shlagbaum - a blow with the edge of the palm of his hand across the throat, then this very philistine may well go through the stage with Article 105 of the Criminal Code

      And if "rabbit"? Fracture of the spine - and "two witnesses, white sheet of the protocol" ..
      Quote: SIT
      For all youth fights for self-affirmation or because of the favor of the opposite sex, it’s better not to come up with boxing. Krovischi from the opponent’s broken nose, beautifully crashed, girls piss with boiling water. All! Enough

      Golden words!
      1. Bashibuzuk
        Bashibuzuk 17 October 2015 12: 38 New
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        Finally met .... REALITY.
        .
        I have known Andrey for a long time.
        Now I will also know Stas - "... otherwise the instinct will not work, ..."
        Subcortex, damn it.
  21. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 October 2015 12: 11 New
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    Eh ... It is after such discussions that ideas are born that "the command of the army cannot be entrusted to the military." And the formation of an approach to the BI complex, which includes everything, and the martial art, and combat sports, and self-defense and everything else that goes around, can in no way be entrusted to hand-to-hand fighters of different styles and directions.
    Everyone who knows how to break the opponent hastened to speak. Show your "unique" views. And it became sad. Alas, people do not abuse the "pumping" of their heads. Apparently the head hurts more from exercise than from a kind click in the jaw.
    People, if you have been practicing for a couple of years, albeit very toughly (although only a few are really hard at work, most just think that they work), this is just the beginning of the way, you are standing on the rug in front of the still closed door, just. And not the fact that the door will open before you.
    Combat is a combat mindset. THINKING. A way of organizing space and actions, your own and the enemy, in such a way that the result you intended is achieved. "What for me these difficulties ?! Yes, I will beat anyone!" Beat. And you will find that you beat him, and in the meantime he defeated you ... Eh, people. The worst blow is the one that was not delivered, and for some reason you are on earth ...