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Why did the Old Man lose?

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Why did the Old Man lose?



The desire to live in an interesting time has become commonplace. It is in it that the inhabitants of the former USSR have been living for the last 25 years. If you only know what will replace the stagnation! Alas, the future is unknown. Now that the dust of the battle has dissipated a bit, we can evaluate its results in the post-Soviet space. I will not write about Turkmen bashi. East is a delicate matter. I will write about Belarus close to us. And about its permanent leader.

To understand what happened there in the end, you need to understand what was planned there. Not being a supporter of the "conspiracy theory" and the X-files, I will still try to slightly remove the covers from the mystery of the origin of the Republic of Belarus.

It seems to me that in the catastrophic situation of 1991, the Kremlin’s wise men made a number of correct decisions (bow to them). First, do not try to recapture eastern Ukraine and northern Kazakhstan. Otherwise there was a chance of slipping into the Yugoslav scenario. Secondly, in Belarus, as a Russian-speaking and as friendly as possible republic, it was decided to help it stand on its own feet as an independent state.

In my opinion, an attempt to keep the territory of the perishing empire "to the maximum" could lead us to protracted conflicts without the prospect of restoring that very empire. Maybe it was not so, it is difficult to judge now. But for Belarus they decided to spare no resources. What, in fact, could be a profit? Apparently, it was planned to have a prosperous, friendly state in the western direction, the most dangerous in the conditions of the spread of NATO.

Money, resources and access to the Russian market were to ensure the start of Belarus in a brighter tomorrow. We are good, we help everyone. The task was, in my opinion, exactly that. Russia in the west borders on a prosperous Belarus that is pro-Russian. A strange approach, but it could work.

It turned out with Lee Kuan Yew in his time. If you think that everything happened in Singapore by itself, you are mistaken. Sometimes countries are constructed artificially. And perhaps, the starting conditions for Belarus were no worse than Ukraine, and better than Russia. A small, highly developed country with an educated cultural population. Located on the way from Moscow to Europe and back. Beauty, and only. It could be interesting.

But it did not work out. The fact is that the father quickly understood: rich means independent. The development of business in Belarus (and the conditions were not bad) meant the reduction of the power of the official Minsk. So it turns out everywhere and always: a group of businessmen with large incomes begin to remake the country for themselves. We went through it in Russia. So, the old man crushed the enemy in the bud, regulating the business to zero.

And all the fullness of power remained in his tenacious hands. But with the economy, alas, nothing happened. It did not work with the Belarusian economic miracle. What Belarusians like to talk about so much (the economic stability of 90's) was bought at the expense of the banal consumption of that “starting capital”. The same money and resources needed to be invested in the launch pad of Cape Canaveral, but Lukashenka “wisely” spent them on maintaining the “USSR in miniature”, led by itself, beloved.

Belarusians are very grateful to him for this. Why, at the time when privatization with criminalization was raging in Russia, everything was quiet and calm in Minsk. Here are just a dad tritely let down the money, time and opportunities that he had. Instead of creating a Slavic Singapore, he spent money on the creation of a paternalistic district-saber.

In the event of possible assumptions from Moscow, Lukashenko also insured, nurturing tame nationalists and explaining to the youth that Belarus is a separate state with a separate history. This is not Russia. And carefully “cleaning” any political competitors, creating a situation where a conversation with Belarus is always a conversation with Lukashenko.

There is no large, independent business, there are no political competitors, Russia is an alien, hostile state. But there is no economy. And Russia is simply pointless to pour new money there. And at once for two reasons: the first - the previous injections did not lead to any positive changes, the second - Belarus is politically all further from Russia. Not only the West, but Lukashenka also recognizes the power of Petro Poroshenko in Ukraine (and no “separatists” there). In the Ukrainian tragedy, the “ingenious strategist Lukashenko” saw only one thing - an attempt on the power of Moscow of the same prince as he did. And corporate solidarity worked.

Lukashenko’s propaganda is actively working for him and is also actively working against “aggressive Russia with corrupt officials and evil business sharks.” There is one salvation from them - Alexander Lukashenko. I would like to emphasize: Lukashenko is one thing for Russians, and the Belarusian people is another. That is, I would still like to separate flies from cutlets, and Belarus - from its permanent leader.
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  1. Barboskin
    Barboskin 16 October 2015 05: 46 New
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    Some kind of one-sided look. There is, after all, the other side of the coin.
    1. Skif83
      Skif83 16 October 2015 08: 42 New
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      Honestly, not one-sided, but rotten!
      What does it mean no economy?
      But all the household appliances (I will note ITS!), Automotive, and agricultural products, etc. - is this not an economy anymore?
      Most of all, it pisses me off that such analysts only bred a la la, and ask what you offer - again liberal snot.
      It seems that the author is from the Belarusian fifth column.
      Yes, Old Man is not an angel; he would not have supported him in everything.
      But remember your Gorbachev and Eltsin, how many friends, allies, and just sympathizers did they surrender? Which country was dipped? And what, humpback lives happily at our expense!
      Therefore, I believe that the Borussians themselves should love or hate their leader.
      And we would have to deal with our own.
      Here’s Twitter Prime with his liberal government, they’re kind of like Russian, and they’re crap like foreigners.
      So what...?
      Someone somehow struggling with them?
      Did the president disperse them 86 times? Did he punish someone, put him in prison?

      Let's leave the Old Man to Belarusians, he is far from the worst, but we have enough of our own affairs ...
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 16 October 2015 09: 19 New
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        Quote: Skif83
        What does it mean no economy?
        But all the household appliances (I will note ITS OWN!), Automobile, ... - is this not the economy anymore?

        ... and where are the components from?
        All "household appliances" are "automobile" - screwdriver assembly ... Like "production of" Zhiguli-Lada "passenger cars in Chechnya ... But - production! ...
      2. tomket
        tomket 16 October 2015 09: 46 New
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        Quote: Skif83
        Yes, Old Man is not an angel; he would not have supported him in everything.

        from dad Lukashenko became a piece of shit ....
        Quote: Skif83
        But remember your Gorbachev and Eltsin,

        but let's better remember Stalin. Why do we need to remember about garbage?
        Quote: Skif83
        must be loved or hated by the boron.

        Undoubtedly, this is the prerogative of the Belarusians if it weren’t for one thing ... we seem to be a union state, and Lukashenko allows ourselves too much in relation to an ally.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 14: 06 New
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          Quote: tomket
          and Lukashenko allows himself too much in relation to an ally.


          And what actually does he allow a lot ?? Stupidly in the mouth does not look our oligarchs ?? How can Belarus defend the interests ?? Not cooperating in the military industry ?? and many more why
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 16 October 2015 16: 20 New
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            Quote: afdjhbn67
            How can Belarus defend the interests ??

            This was especially evident when he lay in front of Poroshenko - "All you need to say, we will give it right away ..."
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 16 October 2015 20: 59 New
              +6
              Old Man is currently the best option for Belarusians, and for Russia and the Eurasian Union

              He does everything right, doesn’t creep under the west, integration doesn’t slow down

              If something is not right sometimes said - then there are 2 options
              - there is a confrontation with Russian oligarchs - who want to crush the last islet of the USSR

              - Or everything is coordinated with Putin and Nazarbayev - these 3 comrades have long been playing "performances" by the three for political purposes
      3. satris
        satris 16 October 2015 10: 29 New
        +8
        Well, yes, there is no economy, but BelAZs are produced, and Atlantes too. I myself have been using a Belarusian juicer and a TV for many years. Has it grown in the fields? So the fields are also an economy. Now the fields are not at all what they were in 1980 - I was there for the first time. Now - where is Switzerland for greenery!
      4. Altona
        Altona 16 October 2015 11: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Skif83
        But all the household appliances (I will note ITS!), Automotive, and agricultural products, etc. - is this not an economy anymore?
        Most of all, it pisses me off that such analysts only bred a la la, and ask what you offer - again liberal snot.

        ----------------
        What about World of Tanks? A typical example of the modern industry of creating game content ... So the virtual component of the economy is also present ...
      5. Nick
        Nick 16 October 2015 11: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: Barboskin
        Some kind of one-sided look. There is, after all, the other side of the coin.

        Quote: Skif83
        Honestly, not one-sided, but rotten!
        What does it mean no economy?
        But all the household appliances (I will note ITS!), Automotive, and agricultural products, etc. - this is not an economy

        An article in the style of "fabrications on the topic ...". No specific facts, no arguments, sheer conjecture and fiction. The desire to evoke in the reader a negative attitude towards A.G. Lukashenko, no more ... hi
      6. demos1111
        demos1111 16 October 2015 15: 53 New
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        The article is correct, 100%. This I tell you, as a resident of the Republic of Belarus (I do not want to write with a capital letter). Everything is collapsed, what kind of household appliances are you talking about, atlant, horizon. All plants, gomselmash, maz, mtz work on credit having crazy debts for energy, the products are not for sale, they rust in the open air. So it goes, soon there’s nothing to pay for gas, blackmail of Russia will begin, not the first time already.
        Yes, Medvedev may not be an angel, but in comparison with the "others" in general, nothing, power after the elections is divided calmly.
        I agree with the author that there is no point in helping the Republic of Belarus, the last chance was in 2008, when they offered to buy our mechanical engineering, it did not grow together, the toad crushed it.
      7. Bayonet
        Bayonet 16 October 2015 16: 13 New
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        Quote: Skif83
        Honestly, not one-sided, but rotten!

        Praise Lukashenko with his Belarus, but live in Russia which you scold request
      8. bogdan4ik
        bogdan4ik 18 October 2015 16: 06 New
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        Ha ha !!! All Belarusians, without exception, consider everything in dollars; buying housing for Belarusian salaries is unrealistic at all. Loans for the population at such percentages as pawnshops are issued in Russia; children and grandchildren are entered into the mortgage as continuers of payment. Without exception, all Belarusians who work in Russia say the same thing about Belarus - Lukashenko-Petushenko, Belarus is beautiful, but it’s not suitable for life, life, and not existence at all.
  2. Fox_1959
    Fox_1959 16 October 2015 05: 49 New
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    Russia is a foreign, hostile state. But there is no economy either.


    Dumb, what the hell. Nobody will argue that Russia is a foreign state. All states are alien to each other. But at the expense of hostility - it was you who bent something. It is not otherwise that you eat from the wrong hand, vrazhin. And at the expense of the economy it’s hard to agree with you. You look at the post-Soviet space - which countries can be compared with Belarus, except for Russia, of course? Moldova? Kyrgyzstan? Uzbekistan? Ukraine (God forgive me)? Baltic countries?
    1. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 16 October 2015 06: 13 New
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      yeah, the leader is "irreplaceable", that's what the hell son brought to the UN General Assembly, is preparing an heir? Started completely!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 16 October 2015 06: 39 New
        +6
        Yes, we must drive him! He would honestly admit that there is authoritarianism in the country, because democracy automatically implies free replacement of rulers. "There are no irreplaceable leaders" - this is the main slogan of democracy. And the main thing is that Old Man would admit that only Russia is a guarantee of the preservation and prosperity of Belarus, and even then not quite after the recent Father's freaks. Otherwise, he believes that in the west Belarus is awaited with open arms, although there is no need for even a much more promising Russia.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 16 October 2015 09: 40 New
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          Quote: Basarev
          And then he believes that in the west Belarus is waiting with open arms, although there is even a much more promising Russia no one needs

          The question is not that the West does not need Russia. Just needed, but on Western conditions. And Belarus is needed, but already as a second Ukraine. To continue pressure on Russia. Both political and economic.
        2. satris
          satris 16 October 2015 10: 32 New
          +1
          If "in an amicable way," then it is not necessary to decide for the entire Belarusian people. Whoever you ask - almost everyone is happy. Or, because of the 10% of the super-rich, is it necessary to drive the rest of the people - in any country - into poverty?
        3. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 16 October 2015 12: 00 New
          +3
          The ancients wrote that the best form of government is a monarchy, it is bad only if the ruler is drak, or does not care about his people. Democracy is needed precisely to protect against fools in leadership. Old Man takes care of the people, runs the country competently. I didn’t let it fall. He didn’t give a plunder. He did not give subordinate the economy to the Moscow oligarchs, most of whom became rich with the consent of the states. A change of boss does not always lead to positive results.
        4. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 14: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          Yes, you need to drive him!


          one in Ukraine was already caught up in 2014, did Russia get better from this?
      2. KGB WATCH YOU
        KGB WATCH YOU 16 October 2015 09: 03 New
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        We have the same one, 15 years it takes the first and second place in the state. For some reason, no one writes articles that he needs to leave.
        1. Camel
          Camel 16 October 2015 18: 59 New
          +3
          Excuse me, but personally do you have replacement options? What we have, what is in Belarus, the leader has no alternative. Yes it is, but personally, the results of our activities are very satisfactory, and the President of the Republic of Belarus is supported by no fewer people (the results of the past elections). So maybe you shouldn't put "MANDATORY change of power" at the forefront, but leave it as the people approve? After all, this is the most important principle of "democracy" - the people's approval of power.
      3. Kazakh
        Kazakh 16 October 2015 09: 31 New
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        Quote: DrMadfisher
        yeah, the leader is "irreplaceable", that's what the hell son brought to the UN General Assembly, is preparing an heir? Started completely!
        But we also would not mind if Putin will prepare a successor. Well, just not such an iPhone, of course, well-known under the nickname, but a normal competent one.
      4. tomket
        tomket 16 October 2015 09: 49 New
        +6
        Quote: DrMadfisher
        that's what the hell son brought to the UN General Assembly, preparing an heir? Starred completely!

        In general, such sons have a very unenviable life after the departure of batek leaders. even the elder who seemed to have safely escaped Yanukovych could not escape fate in relation to the younger Yanukovych. Not to mention the sons of Hussein and Gadaffi
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 16 October 2015 12: 39 New
          +5
          This is not necessary, the sons of Aliyev, Kim and Assad will not agree with you
      5. pvv113
        pvv113 17 October 2015 00: 48 New
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        leader "irreplaceable"

        I'm embarrassed to ask - and what has the "steelyard" to do with it? hi
    2. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 16 October 2015 07: 55 New
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      And what an economic miracle Lukashenko did, but not what. Suppose that the Russian market is closed for Belarusian goods and that nothing is happening, the economy of Belarus will collapse overnight. Lukashenko is a two-faced Janus who sings praises to whoever
      pays more. This is not a politician with state thinking, but he was the director of the state farm.
      1. Vadim12
        Vadim12 16 October 2015 08: 37 New
        +9
        The economy of Belarus depends on Russia. Without injections (lending) it will be bent.
      2. Gorinich
        Gorinich 16 October 2015 10: 27 New
        +6
        And the problem is precisely that after it is emptiness. He holds on only because most understand after leaving Luke it will only get worse.
      3. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 16 October 2015 12: 07 New
        +3
        That is, you offer the Old Man to focus not only on the Russian market ?! Since you cannot put all your eggs in one basket ... Why, then, criticize him for trying to establish relations with the West ...
      4. Selevc
        Selevc 16 October 2015 12: 49 New
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        Quote: go21zd45few
        Lukashenko is a two-faced Janus who sings praises to those who
        pays more. This is not a politician with state thinking, but he was the director of the state farm.

        Yeah !!! Very much reminiscent of the politics of some neighbors more nicely !!! We speak Lukashenko (Yanukovych with Kuch-my in mind) !!! A side view of Father’s policy is strange, very strange !!! Compared to Yanukovych, it’s worse for the West !!! And he still imagines himself a great negotiator-pacifier !!!
        Who is it ? What about puppet revolutionaries? Did you overthrow the one like me in a neighboring country? Do not you want a coffee? Meanwhile, the Maidan is already coming to him - 200 armed bandit-provocateurs were detained at the border !!! Look father, so that your coffee pot does not come out to you at all in the wrong place !!!

        But what if Russia turns its back tomorrow or is it simply not corny to him? So his neighbors Poland and Lithuania (USA in mind) will devour him with giblets - and literally and physically !!! Yes, so the old man will envy Gaddafi’s fate together with Hussein !!!
        1. MrK
          MrK 17 October 2015 00: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Selevc
          But what if Russia turns its back tomorrow or is it simply not corny to him? So his neighbor Poland and Lithuania (USA in his mind) will devour him with giblets - both literally and physically


          I agree bro. But only after that, NATO bases will be near Smolensk. Who really wants this - minus it.
    3. Pokast
      Pokast 16 October 2015 10: 48 New
      +4
      which countries can compare with Belarus, except for Russia, of course? Moldova? Kyrgyzstan? Uzbekistan? Ukraine (God forgive me)? Baltic countries?


      Kazakhstan has long overtaken Belarus. After Russia, it is now the most powerful state in the post-Soviet space)
      1. 0255
        0255 16 October 2015 11: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: Pokast
        which countries can compare with Belarus, except for Russia, of course? Moldova? Kyrgyzstan? Uzbekistan? Ukraine (God forgive me)? Baltic countries?


        Kazakhstan has long overtaken Belarus. After Russia, it is now the most powerful state in the post-Soviet space)

        He talked with a Kazakh - he said that in Kazakhstan, salaries are higher, Kazakhs live better than Belarusians. But a lot of money goes into the pocket of Nazarbayev and his relatives.
      2. Starik72
        Starik72 16 October 2015 14: 05 New
        +5
        Dear Ilmur, tell me what products of Kazakhstan do you use? If Belarus had such minerals as in Kazakhstan, I think that in terms of level we would keep up with strong states in terms of economy and development. And so we need to buy raw materials and components, because not everything can be produced at home, but Tes more when there is no energy and raw materials.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 October 2015 16: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Fox_1959
      But at the expense of hostility - it was you who bent something. It is not otherwise that you eat from the wrong hand, vrazhin. And at the expense of the economy it’s hard to agree with you.

      And here is what Lukashenka says about us: “They scare us that Russia, they say, will invent its own“ centipedes ”(tractors) and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and for health! If they have today the brains and money that they have no, let them invent it! "That's it! They have the coolest brains and the economy, and Russia has no brains and money.hi
  3. aleks700
    aleks700 16 October 2015 05: 54 New
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    Yes. If we compare Lukashenko with Yeltsin, then for all his shortcomings, I vote for Lukashenko.
    1. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 16 October 2015 06: 15 New
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      not a drunk, yes, but a path in one direction - begins to creep under the light elves
  4. loginovich
    loginovich 16 October 2015 06: 03 New
    -10
    The fact is that the Old Man quickly understood: the rich means independent.

    In Ukraine, per capita as much as in Germany, but only an independent country does not work.
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 16 October 2015 06: 19 New
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      In Ukraine, per capita as much as in Germany


      I’m embarrassed to ask, what does this mean? What is the same? Sala? Chocolates? Of the earth?
      1. larand
        larand 16 October 2015 06: 56 New
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        Quote: Alexkorzun
        In Ukraine, per capita as much as in Germany


        I’m embarrassed to ask, what does this mean? What is the same? Sala? Chocolates? Of the earth?


        Grown hatred of the Russian Federation.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 16 October 2015 16: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: larand
          Grown hatred of the Russian Federation.

          I do not agree! Germany does not have such hatred for Russia. stop
  5. Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon 16 October 2015 06: 10 New
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    Objectively, Father But did not let Belarus slide down to the level of Ukraine. Although the economic conditions were much worse. Not laid down under the States. It even produces oil ... the truth in Venezuela smile
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 16 October 2015 06: 43 New
      +5
      But still, the Old Man must know: he owes us the grave of life. We in the nineties were bent over from hunger, but Belarus fed, we feed now. And something relies on it. But we see that Belarus lives only at the expense of Russia, and even bites its lactating hand.
      1. k174oun7
        k174oun7 16 October 2015 06: 59 New
        +3
        How much, Basarev, feed the Belarusians who bite at the same time? Didn’t take a bite?
      2. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 16 October 2015 12: 16 New
        +6
        We died of hunger at 90 because we allowed ourselves to be robbed by our "new Russians" and endured and voted for the leadership that was robbing and squandering the country. The old man did not allow this. Therefore, having fewer resources, Belarusians lived better than us ...
        Today we need to talk not about who feeds whom. We are one people or not, we have one values, one heroes or not ...
      3. Starik72
        Starik72 16 October 2015 14: 08 New
        +4
        Basarev. Nuka, show me that I have a bite from you in Belarus?
      4. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 14: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Basarev
        We in the nineties were bent over from hunger, but Belarus fed, we feed now. And for this something


        I’ll go to my friend Tatarovich Vasya in the evening, beat my face, I’ll refer to Basarev .. wassat throwing a snowstorm liberal, citizen .. Few of you all the lesson of Ukraine ..
      5. Douglas
        Douglas 16 October 2015 14: 36 New
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        But still, the Old Man must know: he owes us the grave of life. We in the nineties were bent over from hunger, but Belarus fed, we feed now. And something relies on it. But we see that Belarus lives only at the expense of Russia, and even bites its lactating hand.


        Yes, buddy, do you even understand what to write. How do you feed Belarus still can not understand?
        I know one thing that without RUSSIA we will feel bad and therefore we are with RUSSIA. But the fact that RUSSIA feeds BELARUS I don’t see how can anyone tell me?

        In comments usually write:
        RUSSIA gives loans to Blarusi.
        RUSSIA sells oil and gas at RUSSIAN prices.
        RUSSIA provides its market.
        RUSSIA defends BELARUS from the West and external threats.
        Tell me how much and where is RUSSIA losing mlr?

        Now in more detail:
        RUSSIA gives loans to Blarusi.

        please tell me unless RUSSIA is unprofitable to give loans DAL 1MLR GOT 1 mln 400
        RUSSIA provides its market.

        I may not know, but in your country in RUSSIA that a machine gunner stands in each store and shouts. WE BUY Belarusian goods?
        RUSSIA sells oil and gas at RUSSIAN prices.

        MAZ, TRACTORS, COMBINES, BELAZ are our goods with you since they consist of 60-70% of Russian components. That is, the more we sell these goods, the more we buy components in RUSSIA. Is it disadvantageous to RUSSIA that its enterprises work more?
        RUSSIA defends BELARUS from the West and external threats.

        say in Belarus, OIL beats near every city, or there are mines with gold and diamonds. We have nothing but salt. We have all the resources. And in the West you drool
        they just flow, they dream of getting them. Therefore, protecting Belarus, you protect yourself, and at the same time save your military budget. If Belarus was under US control. You would have to invest huge amounts of money to organize the border in Smolensk.
        Therefore, we are a symbiosis, we are beneficial to you, you are beneficial to us.

        The brothers ROSIYANE wish you peace and happiness. WE ARE STRONGER IN THE PLACE.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 16 October 2015 16: 05 New
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          Quote: Douglas
          The brothers ROSIYANE wish you peace and happiness. WE ARE STRONGER IN THE PLACE.

          Thank you for your wish, but I will allow myself the marginal notes of your comment.
          No one is against mutually beneficial economic cooperation. The fact that Russia dates the Belarusian economy with cheap raw materials, energy and loans is undeniable. In the conditions of world prices for energy and raw materials, Belarusian goods would simply become unprofitable and this must be honestly admitted.
          As for loans, you are just cunning, Lukashenko faithfully gives loans to the West, while Russians regularly restructure and re-lend to pay Western loans, and 40% is not the same percentage, all loans are preferential.
          Old Man deftly frightened you with Russian oligarchs and deftly stuck out his indispensability, they say the pro-Russian president will come, he will sell everything cheaply to Russian oligarchs.
          But is pro-Russianism to bend before the Russian oligarchs. Do not want to sell, no one will force. Pro-Russian is to support Russia in difficult times, for example, to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia, loudly declare that the Crimea is Russian, and not to say in Kiev that it was necessary to fight for the Crimea and actually call for the murder of Russian soldiers, to send at least one humcon convoy to Donbass, where old people and children are dying of hunger and lack of medicine, and not say that there is no Russian world, do not substitute Putin with the air base when he instructed the Russian government to sign an agreement on the air base, do not engage in smuggling when Russia imposed retaliatory sanctions on the West, thereby giving the West the opportunity to circumvent Russian sanctions. Where is the support of Russia in difficult times from Lukashenko ??? Just words alone, and when it comes to business, there is nothing, not even a small reed that you can hold on to in this swamp. Russia helps everyone, but Russia no one. Here, one Belarusian recently wrote that he was ready to fight for Russia, I believe him, but Old Man is not, for him the main thing is to maintain power, by any means, he will not frown. Come on, peace be with you all.
          1. Douglas
            Douglas 17 October 2015 03: 57 New
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            Pro-Russian is to support Russia in difficult times, for example, recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia, loudly declare that Crimea is Russian, and not say in Kiev that it was necessary to fight for Crimea


            It’s easy for you to talk when you have the resources. Tell me if BELARUS recognized Ossetia, what would have changed, did the whole world immediately recognize it after that? And what would RUSSIA get from this recognition?
            But BELARUS could have lost, we already have bad relations with Europe. And after that, the recognition of the lifting of sanctions could have been forgotten.

            Do not harm your ally, and do not harm yourself either.
        2. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 17 October 2015 00: 05 New
          +2
          We don’t feed, but you live normally because the Russian Federation subsidizes you very seriously.

          Quote: Douglas
          please tell me unless RUSSIA is unprofitable to give loans DAL 1MLR GOT 1 mln 400
          RUSSIA provides its market.

          So the fact is that it does not return these loans, but takes new ones and repays them. The IMF is returning, but not to us. Because they have political demands. but we don’t. And the market is ours for you, and not yours for us.
          Quote: Douglas
          RUSSIA sells oil and gas at RUSSIAN prices.

          Selling, why deny it. Why does it always upset you? We always point this out to you when you start to turn your nose and will point it out. Although I think we are doing it right, one people, in fact, didn’t sell us like some in the 90s.
          Quote: Douglas
          MAZ, TRACTORS, COMBINES, BELAZ are our goods with you since they consist of 60-70% of Russian components. That is, the more we sell these goods, the more we buy components in RUSSIA. Is it disadvantageous to RUSSIA that its enterprises work more?

          The fact is that these products are getting smaller and smaller every year, and that's because Dad refuses us a joint venture with these plants. To control everything, he ruins such productions. The whole world is united, but he is against. Would MAZ-KAMAZ be a bad concern? Yes, we could monopolize the CIS market together. Do our military don’t need MAZ, MZKT cars? We really need them, but you need to invest money there for certain projects, which are mostly secret. So we need to have a controlling stake there, but Dad broke the price .. Well, we built these cars at KAMAZ. Who better from this?
          In order not to lag behind competitors, we need cooperation, common brains. total capacity and skilled workers plus money. We have money, and the rest you have with us too. Why not combine? Okay, Dad, you mean that ordinary citizens hold on to 100% so belongs to Belarus. You do not live in isolation.


          Quote: Douglas
          The brothers ROSIYANE wish you peace and happiness. WE ARE STRONGER IN THE PLACE.

          That is right. Remember that we would not write here Russians remember and will never forget that in the 90s you did not exchange us for Coca-Cola. Brothers forever.
          I just don’t want you to just oversleep the industry saved from the oligarchs because of the unwillingness to let in foreign capital.
      6. robbihood
        robbihood 16 October 2015 20: 46 New
        -1
        Have you fed at least one Belarusian, general from the "mouse rug?" Besides these chic shoulder straps, have you done anything in your life? Or a pimply vyunosh - do you teach us to eat from the master's hand? Yap .. Because of such dumb .. and there is an increase in anti-Russian sentiment among young people. How revered such an "analyteg".
    2. satris
      satris 16 October 2015 10: 40 New
      +2
      Well, why? Somehow Gomel rode - Brest, so the rocking horses work. It is believed that Belarus provides its own needs at the expense of its oil, and export after deep processing is another matter.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 16 October 2015 11: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: satris
        It is believed that Belarus provides its own needs through its oil

        By volume and specific gravity of oil and oil products Belarus can rightfully be considered an oil power in foreign trade: the revenue from their export per capita is not much inferior to Russia in this indicator, and the net income of Belarus from the oil business is 12% of GDP and more than 1/3 of the gross value added created by the Belarusian industry.
        At the same time, Belarus has insignificant own deposits of “black gold” located in the Pripyat lowland on the territory of the Gomel region
        But the main source of oil at the Belarusian refineries is import from Russia.
        Almost all oil produced on its own territory is exported without refining. Buying country - Germany. Export of own oil is the state’s net foreign currency income, net added value for the country (excluding, of course, the import component of the costs of oil production and transportation),
        But the main export volume falls on oil products sold abroad, produced at Belarusian refineries from oil imported from Russia.
        The proceeds from the export of oil products made from Russian oil almost completely cover the costs of importing Russian oil and oil products, and the volume of oil products remaining within Belarus for domestic use is actually free. And it turns out that the revenue from the sale of fuel in Belarus is the country's profit, net added value, the size of which, based on domestic consumption and fuel prices, is more than $ 6,5 billion, which is about 10% of GDP.
        It is clear that buying oil at a world price, Belarus, most likely, would limit itself to importing oil for the remaining unfilled (insufficient domestic oil production) domestic market, which has a volume of 6,5 million tons, that is, importing 5 million tons of oil, spending on this is about $ 4 billion, and Belarusian refineries would most likely work on tolling schemes, earning at the most full load no more than $ 1 billion a year. That is, the minimum additional net costs of the country to provide the domestic market with oil products would be $ 3 billion every year, and this is in the best case.
        And given that the Belarusian domestic fuel market is currently receiving virtually free petroleum products, then we can assume that these $ 3 billion per year are the minimum size of the annual Russian oil preferences in Belarus. http://bdg.by/news/society/23031.html
  6. Grbear
    Grbear 16 October 2015 06: 16 New
    +8
    Bad article. Some whining.
    Lukashenko is not an angel, but who knows how to live. He doesn’t let live-throats-businessman-bankers to himself - bad, he doesn’t let Natsik go for a walk too. Ordinary people do not fatten with dollars instead of eyes (on the issue of consumerism), but also do not live in poverty. To create Singapore, it is necessary for someone to be very profitable (there should be a struggle between the USSR and the USA, and Singapore - capitalist China). Who benefits from Singapore in central Europe?
    I do not like many of L.'s "quirks", but the "general" line does not go beyond the acceptable. hi
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 16 October 2015 06: 48 New
      +3
      And yet, for all the assistance provided, Lukashenko is simply obliged to be absolutely pro-Russian, even more pro-Russian than Putin. And he decided to turn his nose towards the west.
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      2. DarthVedro
        DarthVedro 16 October 2015 09: 29 New
        -5
        This is just blackmail. Old Man blackmails with his loyalty, Moscow from time to time blocks him oxygen gas. Russia does not have real allies, but the USA has almost the whole world
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 16 October 2015 09: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: DarthVedro
          Russia does not have real allies, but the USA has almost the whole world

          Well, my friend, you are bent! The states that the whole world hates have the same world as allies! And we are alone like a finger in the universe. Busting, however.
    2. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 48 New
      +3
      He does not let live-bloggers-business bankers to him - bad,


      The USSR did not let the livestock goers, but lived at its own expense. The budget of the Russian Federation is formed at the expense of taxes from the very "zhivoglotov". Old Man accepts money from this budget.
      But the "chewers" are enemies. Zabavchenko. You see, the Russian "cheaters" are not obliged to finance Batkin's socialism, just as Ford was not obliged to finance the USSR.


      Natsik does not walk - too.


      I kind of apologize very much, but dad in power for 20 years, during this time a new generation of Belarusians has grown up, who have VERY specific views on Russia.
      It would not be necessary to translate the arrows, that the heroic dad fights with the Natsik, and someone in Russia is unhappy about it.
      "Tame Nationalists" is a work of Lukashenka.
  7. Baloo_bst
    Baloo_bst 16 October 2015 06: 17 New
    0
    And as if a digital figure at least some to see about the infusions and supports, otherwise somehow unfounded everything.
    I can cook up such analytics about any CIS country and put it in any direction.
    Proof, please.
    1. Rusich is not from Kiev
      Rusich is not from Kiev 16 October 2015 08: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Baloo_bst
      And as if a digital figure at least some to see about the infusions and supports, otherwise somehow unfounded all

      Well, look at Runet there is everything. In short, Putin’s view is 3 lard from our oil, gas is slightly more expensive than ours, preferences in our market plus transit, and of course loans that are constantly written off, and there are billions in them. Unfortunately, there used to be industry, but Dad decided to ditch it. What will you live on oil, loans and agriculture now.
      1. Baloo_bst
        Baloo_bst 16 October 2015 08: 49 New
        +4
        In short, Putin’s view is 3 lard from our oil, gas is slightly more expensive than ours, preferences in our market plus transit, and of course loans that are constantly written off, and there are billions in them.


        3-lard - please reference. Preferably an official representative.
        And then at the entrance of the grandmother even more abruptly push the numbers.
        Gas is slightly more expensive than yours. You can find out how much, and even better in comparison with other countries.
        And loans that you constantly write off. How much and when.
        And then refer to the search in nete, so there you can and a lot of things to read on the censor.
        But we will see the official figure, see clearly.
        1. Starik72
          Starik72 16 October 2015 14: 18 New
          +1
          Baloo_bst.What you are arguing with some, because THEY are like our Svidomo stubborn, IM at least stsy in the eyes, all one, God's dew.
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        4. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 16 October 2015 23: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Baloo_bst
          And loans that you constantly write off. How much and when.


          http://www.yabloko.ru/Themes/Belarus/belarus-25.html



          http://point.md/ru/novosti/v-mire/belorussiya-prosit-u-rossii-novij-kredit-na-3-
          milliarda
          last paragraph, already minus 1,3 lard

          About Belarusian salmon, mussels and bananas should be explained wassat

          So . that the guys sit and be silent otherwise how will Ukrainians scratch their turnips later.
        5. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 16 October 2015 23: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Baloo_bst
          3-lard - please reference. Preferably an official representative.
          And then at the entrance of the grandmother even more abruptly push the numbers.

          Putin hope more authoritative grandmas at the entrance? There are more than 3 turns out, if with theft.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgVnt5UijJc
          http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/29/threats/
          Quote: Baloo_bst
          Gas is slightly more expensive than yours. You can find out how much, and even better in comparison with other countries.

          http://lenta.ru/news/2013/09/13/gas/
          http://riarating.ru/countries_rankings/20140623/610621050.html --- Там таблица интересная..напомню общая цена 175
          Quote: Baloo_bst
          And loans that you constantly write off. How much and when.

          http://point.md/ru/novosti/v-mire/belorussiya-prosit-u-rossii-novij-kredit-na-3-
          milliard - the last paragraph is about 1.3 lard
          http://www.yabloko.ru/Themes/Belarus/belarus-25.html

          Plus, permanent loans with deferrals, in short, some of them will be forgiven as IMF Ukrams.

          About the mussels. I don’t need to write salmon, I think laughing
  8. Hubun
    Hubun 16 October 2015 06: 18 New
    11
    I, too, can’t understand the offspring why he drags with him everywhere.
  9. populist
    populist 16 October 2015 06: 20 New
    +4
    And carefully “cleaning” any political rivals, creating a situation where a conversation with Belarus is always a conversation with Lukashenko

    And something that reminds me.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 41 New
      0
      And what if it's not a secret?
      1. populist
        populist 16 October 2015 20: 35 New
        0
        There is no secret. There is a rebus crossword puzzle.

        Complaints of a Turk.
        Lermontov Mikhail Yurievich
        .............
        Friend! this land ..... my homeland!
  10. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 October 2015 06: 20 New
    +4
    I communicate with Belarusians, and all sorts of things. I don't have the feeling of a backward and "regulated" country. With finances, Old Man stirred up - yes. The people count everything in dollars. But they also adapted to this. Quite businessmen. In Russia it is more comfortable.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 40 New
      0
      I don't have the feeling of a backward and "regulated" country.


      Uh-huh, how will she look in "free float"? Will it float far away?
  11. sa-ag
    sa-ag 16 October 2015 06: 21 New
    +3
    C'mon there with Singapore, an incorrect comparison in terms of economic opportunities, but Taiwan was a chance by investing in the development of microelectronics, there was a base, specialists too
  12. V.ic
    V.ic 16 October 2015 06: 26 New
    -2
    The author’s language is growing from an opposite normal place. Minus article.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 39 New
      0
      You can argue?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 16 October 2015 09: 39 New
        -2
        Quote: Olezhek
        You can argue?

        Yes easily! Who won the other day in the elections in the Republic of Belarus? Not Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko? Take a second look at the title of the article and m. understand my attitude to its author. am
  13. ermolai
    ermolai 16 October 2015 06: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: Barboskin
    Some kind of one-sided look. There is, after all, the other side of the coin.

    Yes, this is how it begins, "Assad must go", the author is an obvious provocateur, although he is right about something, but the infwar is just starting, there is a lot of truth and very little of a lie.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 55 New
      -1
      Yes, that's how it begins, "Assad must go"


      Assad is an ally of Russia, he should not leave.
  14. Dart2027
    Dart2027 16 October 2015 06: 27 New
    +2
    In my opinion, an attempt to keep the territory of a dying empire “to the maximum” could lead us to protracted conflicts without the prospect of restoring the empire itself.

    In my opinion, in order to maintain a united and powerful state, it was necessary to shoot a couple of tens of thousands ... and ... headed by Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 38 New
      +2
      In my opinion, in order to preserve the united and powerful state, it was necessary


      It was necessary in the 70-e years to reform the economy (under the framework of socialism is clear)
      Kosygin reform, alas, ended with the transition to eating petrodollars ..
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 17: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Olezhek
        Kosygin reform, alas, ended with the transition to eating petrodollars ..


        Don't you think that we are repeating this at the next round of history?
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 October 2015 17: 50 New
        0
        The country fell apart not from problems in the economy, which I strongly suspect were artificially created, but because of traitors in power. Everything else could be solved.
  15. Per se.
    Per se. 16 October 2015 06: 48 New
    13
    You can treat Lukashenka good or bad, dad lost or not lost, but Belarus won unambiguously. If it were not for Lukashenka, they would have destroyed the republic, plundered, plundered, both their industry and agriculture. And there would be only one way, go to the United States, ask for the EU. An example nearby is Dill, whose potential was much higher than that of Belarus. Who can say now that the Belarusians are doing badly? If you state in the article that "in Belarus as a Russian-speaking and maximally friendly republic, a decision was made - to help it stand "on its feet" as an independent state"But what, Ukraine was not helped here, until now, even already this hostile, Bandera regime, we sell gas at a discount. The Ukrainians did not find their own Lukashenko, and if there was such a dad in Russia instead of Yeltsin and all this pro-American shobla, that the country was devastated, many sectors of our economy would be alive, healthcare and education would not have been brought to a deplorable state.In general, if the author wanted to talk about options, the best option would be if the Soviet Union had survived. I did not like the article, I don’t like the article I agree.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 21: 37 New
      0
      And when there is a mood?
      What decisions will be on Belarus ??? yes
  16. Basarev
    Basarev 16 October 2015 06: 51 New
    +2
    And most importantly - Old Man does not understand that there are no manual Nazis.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 49 New
      -1
      Well, he has, as it were, "Belarusian nationalists" lol
  17. NIKOLAI T
    NIKOLAI T 16 October 2015 06: 53 New
    +2
    I’ll be brief - crap!
    1. Starik72
      Starik72 16 October 2015 15: 04 New
      0
      Forgive Nicholas T! mistakenly set you a minus.
      1. Olezhek
        17 October 2015 09: 26 New
        -1
        God will forgive!
  18. van zai
    van zai 16 October 2015 07: 29 New
    +6
    The article is clearly custom-made. Hidden dissatisfaction with the election results. Fat minuscule from Belarus!
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 53 New
      +2
      Open discontent of the Old Man. From the citizen of Russia.
  19. Stinger
    Stinger 16 October 2015 07: 44 New
    0
    One feels that he wrote a burnt democrat. Offended by the oligarchs. They did not rob Belarusians.
  20. epron
    epron 16 October 2015 08: 21 New
    -2
    I suggest all authors to subscribe like this: the author of the type morkvkin, the customer of the article of the type barboskin. "CLOSED".
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 09: 06 New
      +1
      Essentially can you say something?
  21. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 October 2015 08: 33 New
    +5
    As if they didn’t treat Lukashenko, but so far he is in his place. Steers in its own way, with quirks, but so far steers. I want to give a fresh example from yesterday’s broadcast by R. Babayan. The topic was just about elections and Belarus. It’s a pity that he captured the end of the transfer. The question of the possible construction of our air base in Belarus was discussed. So, here is one Belarusian participant (shouting louder and more often than others) said simply - why the air base. You give us airplanes (naturally free), and our pilots will fly on them. Does this not remind you of the eternal pursuit of a freebie with only your interests in one of the neighboring countries?
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 08: 57 New
      -2
      So, here is one Belarusian participant (he shouted louder and more often than others) simply said: why the airbase. Give us airplanes (of course free of charge), and our pilots will fly on them.


      By the way - the answer is yes. We will give.

      But Belarusian pilots should fly in Syria. hi
      Are Belarusians a peaceful people? And why should they then combat aircraft?
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 October 2015 08: 48 New
    +2
    I recognize Belarusians as ours.
    But after Ukraine and some statements by Lukashenko ...
    No wonder we began to develop wheeled platforms for our ICBMs ...
    You need to understand that this is a separate state, independent.
    The leader of which can at any moment buck up and act regardless of our interests.
    So, of course, cooperation is worth it, and it is necessary.
    But hoping for a single Slavic people is no longer worth it.
  23. Olezhek
    16 October 2015 09: 03 New
    -1
    Colleagues - thanks for the comments - if you have any questions - I have already commented on the articles: "Don't make your dad nervous" (she served as a starter)
    "Belarus is an optimist's view" (by the way, I'm a pessimist about Belarus)
    And he even sprinkled the "order" "Minsk Disagreements"

    I erased the fingers, but I think my opinion has outlined.

    I will be glad to any reasoned answer. hi
  24. ASK505
    ASK505 16 October 2015 09: 56 New
    +1
    Belarus is the territory of the Russian Civilization, like Ukraine. And the alleged independence of the invincible former chairman of the invincible collective farm Lukashenka is ridiculous, like the kiwi and sturgeon that he grows in his garden and swears that these are purely Belarusian goods. He is nobody for the West without Russia. But no one has yet been able to dance at two weddings at the same time. Brother in mind Yanukovych is not a distant example. As long as his rural thinking is tolerated. There are plenty of other problems. But let's hope that by the next New Year, all Belarusians will have normal human eggs on the table.
    A. Lukashenko in December 1998 (Novye Izvestia, February 5, 1999), the airborne base of the Russian Aerospace Forces, and much more in the interests of the Russian World with our Belarusians.
    1. traveler
      traveler 16 October 2015 11: 26 New
      0
      the territory of Russian culture - I agree, but there is no Russian civilization, Russia is itself a part of European Christian civilization, with its own characteristics, but no more.
      in order to claim a separate civilization some arguments are needed, for example, a unique script, a separate religion, etc. this is not our case.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 16 October 2015 12: 52 New
        +2
        You didn’t seem to hear about the Cyrillic laughing
        1. 2s1122
          2s1122 16 October 2015 14: 16 New
          +2
          From the school history "The History of Ancient Russia", the Cyrilian was brought to Russia by the monk brothers hi Cyril and Mifodiy. I don’t remember who they are by birth, but before that we had runes. And if we look at the alphabet of ancient Russia and modern Russia, then the difference is huge both in the number of letters and in the sense of one and the same word. And the Latin alphabet is like to our days. remained unchanged. Although some descendants of the ancient ukrovs are pushing the idea of ​​the Latin script to the square "stupid people b ...!" wassat
        2. traveler
          traveler 16 October 2015 14: 29 New
          +1
          the basis of the Cyrillic alphabet is the Greek alphabet, the authors are the Greeks Cyril and Methodius, where is the uniqueness here?
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 16 October 2015 15: 50 New
            +2
            Cyril and Methodius were nevertheless Bulgarians. Next. The Russians are Eastern Slavs, and the Slavs inhabited all of Eastern and Southern Europe. And I'm sorry, even during the time of Frederick the Great, the Slavs caught sturgeons. split the Slavs, but this happened much later, when the Eastern Slavs took the blow of the Tatar-Mongol horde. The Western Slavs did not come to the aid of their brothers, as happened later, during the Battle of Grunwald, when the Russian squads came to the aid of the Poles and Lithuanians. And do not close your eyes or pretend that it was not. History, such a science that most politicians for some reason try to rewrite it for themselves.
      2. ASK505
        ASK505 16 October 2015 13: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: traveler
        in order to claim a separate civilization some arguments are needed, for example, a unique script, a separate religion, etc. this is not our case.


        Russian civilization is a combination of spiritual, moral and material forms of existence of the Russian people. These spiritual forms of existence permeate the entire historical life of the Russian people, are clearly traceable to the primary sources for more than two thousand years. She was and is. Russia has its own development path, different from other countries of Europe and the world on its matrix - “Family”. The idea of ​​creating a doctrine of civilization belongs to our great Russian scientist Danilevsky. There is a lot of information on the web on this subject. Your opinion on this concept is only your opinion.

        http://iamruss.ru/russian-civilization/ http://www.dynacon.ru/content/articles/428/
        1. traveler
          traveler 16 October 2015 14: 44 New
          +1
          my opinion is really only my opinion.
          Russian civilization is a combination of spiritual, moral and material forms of existence of the Russian people

          then, is Vietnamese (Albanian, etc.) civilization a set of spiritual, moral and material forms of existence of the Vietnamese (Albanian, etc.) people?

          in which such primary sources is the historical life of the Russian people traced for more than 2 thousand years?
          Do you reject the generally accepted dating of Russian history?
          it is your right, but you live in a world of some kind of illusions, and this does not allow you and the like to soberly assess your role and the role of your country and people in the world.
          incorrect assessment of the situation leads to the adoption of erroneous decisions.
        2. Olezhek
          16 October 2015 20: 15 New
          +1
          Taki yes. Russian civilization has a place to be.
          It collects reactors, spacecraft and atomic bomber.
          But this is not Europe, not the Arab world, not Persia, and not India or the Far East.
          Independent civilization center.
          1. traveler
            traveler 17 October 2015 00: 26 New
            +1
            How do reactors and missile carriers make Russia a separate civilization? 3 thousand years ago it was necessary to start in order to be her now. Now even if someone starts starships and time machines to build, this will not turn the country into a separate civilization.
  25. theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 16 October 2015 10: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Basarev
    democracy automatically implies free turnover of rulers


    What nonsense! Changeability for the sake of changeability. "They do not seek good from good" and "The mortal enemy of good is the best!"
    Democracy from totalitarianism, if anything, differs from it, then by irresponsibility and impunity.
  26. Azitral
    Azitral 16 October 2015 10: 04 New
    +3
    A small note. Regarding: "I wish I knew what would replace stagnation ...". It was forgotten, and it seems like something nice and good to nostalgia, but the stagnation was terrible. One of the smartest people whom I have ever met, B. Kuznetsov, said in 1984. literally the following: “Centrifugal tendencies have been observed in the Soviet Union for several years. There is a joke“ optimists learn English, pessimists teach Chinese, and realists teach a Kalashnikov assault rifle. ”A smart person, but I loved smart phrases. A reckless patriot of the Soviet regime, then he was terribly indignant. And now I understand HOW much right he was. Brezhnev did the USSR immeasurably more harm than any Khrushchev, on whom they love to hang all dogs lately.
    Those who said: "You can't live like this" were three times right, the mistake was that they wanted to replace a system that had reached a dead end with a system that had exhausted itself (liberal capitalism) and, where it was necessary to think for ourselves, recklessly took someone else's old stuff. True, there is nothing new and not viable.
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 16 October 2015 10: 43 New
      +1
      I absolutely agree with you. It was necessary to live with one's own mind, but who at that time could even assume that the head of the country (Gorbachev) himself wanted to destroy this country (this is his personal recognition). To get a traitor at the head of a country is, let's say, a rare case in history.
  27. 2s1122
    2s1122 16 October 2015 10: 18 New
    +1
    With the economy, state officials, of course, to put it mildly, did not guess, the social direction for the population is good, but where to get money. For example, the construction of a hockey arena is "zero good" but not in every district center where there is practically no opportunity to earn decently. The authorities simply laundered money. Lukashenka urgently needs to change his attitude to the economy, the ATO comes out like this 2 from a pensioner (they should receive a decent pension) and 500 from a worker, and even less in agriculture. It's not like what's happening in Ukraine, I don't think that got 000% of the votes. belayexchange rate $ 1-17400,2 500: 000 = 17400 is approximately the salary in foreign currency drinks but there’s no panic to break through, where ours didn’t disappear soldier
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 16 October 2015 10: 44 New
      +1
      These are the moods throughout the republic :(
    2. Belarus
      Belarus 16 October 2015 11: 04 New
      +6
      Due to what we will break through dear? Really at your own expense? And where did you get such salary figures? Are they really all like that ????
      Lukashenko for the Russians is one thing, and the Belarusian people is another. That is, I would still like to separate the flies from cutlets, and Belarus - from its permanent leader.

      But I agree with this one hundred percent. And someone likes it or not, but without the RF we just put our teeth on the shelf - it's a matter of time.
  28. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 16 October 2015 10: 40 New
    0
    He stayed in Belarus for several years on vacation. In the outback. In a remote village.
    I would not say that the people there think the same way as in the article. Each of course has its own opinion and problems, but Old Man did not lose, but did not allow chaos to develop in Belarus, which was quite likely. We look at Ukraine. Starting positions are not worse, but the result is catastrophic. Amid the squabbles of the political elite and the almost civil war, Belarus is just a fairy tale. Even for Russians, where a super rich state keeps people in poverty, well, except for friends and bureaucratic thieves.
  29. lopvlad
    lopvlad 16 October 2015 10: 57 New
    +4
    I do not consider the irremovability of power to be a problem if the power is adequate. Yes, and in general, what kind of political system in this or that country is all the same to me. The main thing is how this political system at the educational, cultural, social level forms the attitude of our citizens and the younger generation towards us Russians and to Of Russia.

    Therefore, I agree with this text below the author of the article.

    In the event of possible attempts by Moscow, Lukashenko also hedged himself, fostering tame nationalists and explaining to young people that Belarus is a separate state with a separate history. This is not Russia.

    Russia is a foreign, hostile state. But there is no economy either. And it is simply pointless for Russia to pour new money there. Moreover, for two reasons at once: the first - previous injections did not lead to any positive changes, the second - Belarus is politically farther away from Russia. Not only the West, but Lukashenko also recognizes the power of Petro Poroshenko in Ukraine (and there are no “separatists” there). In the Ukrainian tragedy, “the ingenious strategist Lukashenko” saw only one thing - Moscow’s attempt on the power of the same prince as he was. And corporate solidarity worked.

    Propaganda Lukashenko is actively working for him and is also actively working against "aggressive Russia with corrupt officials and evil business sharks." There is one salvation from them - Alexander Lukashenko. I would still like to emphasize: Lukashenko for the Russians is one thing, and the Belarusian people is another.


    The more Lukashenko distances himself from Russia, the more he draws closer for himself the fate of Yanukovych and for Belarus a mess.
    It’s just unnecessary for me to talk about the Eurasian Union as it’s only a business that provides a Russian market for Belarusian goods and the possibility of re-exporting European goods under the guise of Belarusian goods (shuttle principle from the 90s).
    How important business can be seen in the example of the fact that even complete Bandera in Kiev changed their minds about leaving the CIS and would like to sell to the Russian market everything that the United States will not ban them.
  30. Arkan
    Arkan 16 October 2015 11: 13 New
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    About Lukashenko, the author is completely right, he behaves like a stranger to us, but only because we allow him. As for the population of the republic, I’m not sure how it will behave if it happens in Ukraine. About the economy, a lot is true in the article. Author +++.
  31. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 16 October 2015 11: 40 New
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    The article is complete nonsense, and in particular in the disastrous situation of 1991, the Kremlin wise men made a number of right decisions (a low bow to them). Thanks for what ? For the collapse of the party elite of the state and the subsequent division of financial and material resources by a narrow circle of people close to power?
  32. Geser
    Geser 16 October 2015 12: 46 New
    +2
    On the one hand, Lukashenka managed to preserve and develop the Soviet legacy left in Belarus. The so-called Belarusian miracle is explained by the fact that Lukashenka was the first to crush the pro-Western opposition, which was trying to arrange a situation like the Ukrainian Maidan. Secondly, Old Man does not allow his bureaucrats to steal, he managed to squeeze corruption tightly. And only having managed to solve these two problems, he was able to preserve what was left of the Soviet legacy. For strong state power that ensures a stable life, you can take off your hat to the Old Man. On the other hand, he tries to sit on two chairs. And get support from Russia and praise from the West. Not so long ago he came to Poroshenko: "Petr Alekseevich, just tell me - we will do everything for you the next day!" By this act alone, Lukashenka lost all respect for him. In fact, he behaves like all Ukrainian presidents, they also, instead of a clear policy, tried to maneuver and cunning. The result is impoverished Ukraine. So Lukashenka also turned out to be an unreliable partner and ally, following the slippery slope of maneuvering following the example of the Ukrainians. I would like to be wrong, but I can't believe it.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 14: 31 New
      -2
      Quote: Geser
      On the one hand, Lukashenko managed to preserve and develop the Soviet legacy,


      Lukashenko is a living, terrible reminder to the liberals, as it were, socially justifiable, could have been in Russia if a patriot-statesman had come to power instead of an ebna ... there wouldn’t have been a hole in the 90s and 2000s
      1. Olezhek
        16 October 2015 20: 18 New
        -1
        As an option, yes
        Now I would "polish rusty tanks" and ask for a loan from the IMF

        Russia frankly hrenovaya economy, but it works, oddly enough.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 17 October 2015 03: 04 New
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          Quote: Olezhek
          asked for a loan from the IMF


          Just the IMF, your liberals began to ask for loans .. and the tanks are polishing again ... your article is rubbish on another resource such as Echo will appreciate it ..
          Does the example of China and Belarus tell you something? Imagine how great the Russian economy would be with its resources.
          1. Olezhek
            17 October 2015 09: 29 New
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            At the moment, ISIS has launched a rocket attack with Calibres, collected for taxes, torn from alegarchs. bully
  33. alicante11
    alicante11 16 October 2015 12: 47 New
    +1
    Oh, what a bad Father. Didn't spawn oligarchs. It's a straight radish, not a man. Damn, but a deep bow to Lukashenka for harassing those who rob the country. If he had not "reset" his thieves, who are mistakenly called businessmen, it would have been in the Ruin.
    But in general, I’m wondering how much I could get acquainted with the legislation of the Republic of Belarus in the economic field, it does not differ much from the Russian one. And, therefore, it is quite possible to conduct small business. There is not only big business, well, and figs with it, what is the difference between a large corporation and a state-owned enterprise? Only that the profit goes not to the state, but to the private trader. That's all.
  34. Starik72
    Starik72 16 October 2015 14: 46 New
    -2
    I would look at the author who is here at VO, would write about Putin and pour water on it. And since Lukashenko is not a Russian, and even the president of another state, he can be watered with slops, since there will be no punishment for that. My opinion is that all the articles published by VO about Lukashenko are completely custom-made and have one goal, to denigrate HIS. So I will put the article and the author a fat minus.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 20: 21 New
      -1
      I will write about Putin, I promise, but not immediately.
      40-day fasting, prayers and toko then ...
  35. Starik72
    Starik72 16 October 2015 15: 33 New
    0
    Brothers Russians read an article published on Military-Political Review, author Vladimir Vuyachich! And draw conclusions.
  36. skif-29
    skif-29 16 October 2015 15: 47 New
    +1
    Emotions and liberal flare. The guy is not friends with the economy when he compares Belarus and Singapore and is bored about some unique starting opportunities after the collapse of the USSR.
  37. lopvlad
    lopvlad 16 October 2015 16: 10 New
    +1
    The Belarusian economic miracle is based on the fact that it falls from the oak and someone cannot understand what to teach their children that the oak (Russia and its world) is a kind of ghostly cartoon that will bend if someone stops undermining its roots, at least it's stupid. And for Belarus itself, this can lead to the path of Ukraine.
  38. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 16 October 2015 18: 06 New
    +2
    Ridiculous are those who think that Luka "saved the country from being plundered by the oligarchs."
    He simply eliminated competitors and now robs himself. Builds residences and palaces for themselves at 600 million dollars. Moreover, workers from North Korea built it; for a long time, he no longer trusts his own.
    He buys a Boeing with a golden toilet and Maybach, and then lies, saying that they say he gave this Maybach. And this is at a time when the majority here has a pension / salary of $ 200.
    Whoever calls him "daddy" is only cops, gebnya, ideologues and servile officials. And even then not all, there are people who understand with a head.

    Anyone who in the Russian Federation especially loves him, look at youtube.com films "Godfather - 1,2,3,4,5". Its essence is very well and clearly shown there.
  39. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 16 October 2015 18: 25 New
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    Quote: Douglas
    But still, the Old Man must know: he owes us the grave of life. We in the nineties were bent over from hunger, but Belarus fed, we feed now. And something relies on it. But we see that Belarus lives only at the expense of Russia, and even bites its lactating hand.


    Yes, buddy, do you even understand what to write. How do you feed Belarus still can not understand?
    I know one thing that without RUSSIA we will feel bad and therefore we are with RUSSIA. But the fact that RUSSIA feeds BELARUS I don’t see how can anyone tell me?

    In comments usually write:
    RUSSIA gives loans to Blarusi.
    RUSSIA sells oil and gas at RUSSIAN prices.
    RUSSIA provides its market.
    RUSSIA defends BELARUS from the West and external threats.
    Tell me how much and where is RUSSIA losing mlr?

    Now in more detail:
    RUSSIA gives loans to Blarusi.

    please tell me unless RUSSIA is unprofitable to give loans DAL 1MLR GOT 1 mln 400
    RUSSIA provides its market.

    I may not know, but in your country in RUSSIA that a machine gunner stands in each store and shouts. WE BUY Belarusian goods?
    RUSSIA sells oil and gas at RUSSIAN prices.

    MAZ, TRACTORS, COMBINES, BELAZ are our goods with you since they consist of 60-70% of Russian components. That is, the more we sell these goods, the more we buy components in RUSSIA. Is it disadvantageous to RUSSIA that its enterprises work more?
    RUSSIA defends BELARUS from the West and external threats.

    say in Belarus, OIL beats near every city, or there are mines with gold and diamonds. We have nothing but salt. We have all the resources. And in the West you drool
    they just flow, they dream of getting them. Therefore, protecting Belarus, you protect yourself, and at the same time save your military budget. If Belarus was under US control. You would have to invest huge amounts of money to organize the border in Smolensk.
    Therefore, we are a symbiosis, we are beneficial to you, you are beneficial to us.

    The brothers ROSIYANE wish you peace and happiness. WE ARE STRONGER IN THE PLACE.

    I agree, I am Russian myself and it is unpleasant for me to listen when Russians and Belarusians squabble. We have heard since the times of the USSR that someone is feeding someone, the Union has been destroyed, and what? Where are all the "nursing"? I think they are playing against us on purpose. Don't let yourself be pissed off.
  40. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 16 October 2015 19: 33 New
    +1
    Here is a standard comment on the "election" with TUT.BY (this is our most central portal where ordinary people write their opinions):

    At my site, at least 40% voted for Korotkevich. I know, because this is my home, neighboring houses, almost everyone knows each other since childhood. Everyone wants change, everyone confidently spoke for whom they would vote for before the elections, there is no point in not trusting these people - there are no officials among them. as recently as yesterday I was talking with the teacher, she herself counted the voices. She came back from the elections in tears (literally), her words - "all elections are lies, XNUMX percent of us did not vote for Lukashenka!"
    That's it.

    For comments: 164 against: 2

    http://talks.by/showthread.php?t=14254777&page=2

    Here is a visual "father's peramoga"
  41. DesToeR
    DesToeR 16 October 2015 19: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Olezhek
    Open discontent of the Old Man. From the citizen of Russia.

    And who are you to express your dissatisfaction with the head of state of the Republic of Belarus ?! My opinion is a fool at least, the instigator of interethnic conflict is closer to the truth.
  42. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 16 October 2015 20: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    Here is a standard comment on the "election" with TUT.BY (this is our most central portal where ordinary people write their opinions):

    At my site, at least 40% voted for Korotkevich. I know, because this is my home, neighboring houses, almost everyone knows each other since childhood. Everyone wants change, everyone confidently spoke for whom they would vote for before the elections, there is no point in not trusting these people - there are no officials among them. as recently as yesterday I was talking with the teacher, she herself counted the voices. She came back from the elections in tears (literally), her words - "all elections are lies, XNUMX percent of us did not vote for Lukashenka!"
    That's it.

    For comments: 164 against: 2

    http://talks.by/showthread.php?t=14254777&page=2

    Here is a visual "father's peramoga"

    Well, liberals also shouted at us that no one voted for Putin and United Russia, do you believe them?
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 16 October 2015 20: 51 New
      -1
      He they are laughing
  43. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 16 October 2015 20: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Eugene30
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    Here is a standard comment on the "election" with TUT.BY (this is our most central portal where ordinary people write their opinions):

    At my site, at least 40% voted for Korotkevich. I know, because this is my home, neighboring houses, almost everyone knows each other since childhood. Everyone wants change, everyone confidently spoke for whom they would vote for before the elections, there is no point in not trusting these people - there are no officials among them. as recently as yesterday I was talking with the teacher, she herself counted the voices. She came back from the elections in tears (literally), her words - "all elections are lies, XNUMX percent of us did not vote for Lukashenka!"
    That's it.

    For comments: 164 against: 2

    http://talks.by/showthread.php?t=14254777&page=2

    Here is a visual "father's peramoga"

    Well, liberals also shouted at us that no one voted for Putin and United Russia, do you believe them?


    That is, in your opinion, the vast majority of the country is liberals? :)
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 16 October 2015 20: 28 New
      0
      Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
      That is, in your opinion, the vast majority of the country is liberals

      No, that's why the overwhelming majority voted for Lukashenka. Liberators are all kinds of "daughters of officers" who were retrained as "teachers"
  44. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 16 October 2015 20: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    That is, in your opinion, the vast majority of the country is liberals

    No, that's why the overwhelming majority voted for Lukashenka. Liberators are all kinds of "daughters of officers" who were retrained as "teachers"


    No one was allowed to vote counts, and the results were rigged. Most of the population is just against Lu. So leave the tales of the liberals to yourself.
  45. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 16 October 2015 20: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    That is, in your opinion, the vast majority of the country is liberals

    No, that's why the overwhelming majority voted for Lukashenka. Liberators are all kinds of "daughters of officers" who were retrained as "teachers"

    And who told you that you have to believe the stuffing of such little articles on the Internet like "nobody voted here"? I don’t know about the liberals, but articles by different bloggers also said that “neither I, nor any of my friends, no one in our yard voted for Putin”? ...
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 16 October 2015 21: 41 New
      0
      Are you this to me? I seem to have clearly said that all these articles are rubbish
  46. The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 16 October 2015 20: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Eugene30
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    That is, in your opinion, the vast majority of the country is liberals

    No, that's why the overwhelming majority voted for Lukashenka. Liberators are all kinds of "daughters of officers" who were retrained as "teachers"

    And who told you that you have to believe the stuffing of such little articles on the Internet like "nobody voted here"? I don’t know about the liberals, but articles by different bloggers also said that “neither I, nor any of my friends, no one in our yard voted for Putin”? ...


    And the fact that we live here and perfectly know our moods and the people as a whole. Most of the population generally polled the elections, as the votes were rewritten to Luka as always. And they were never allowed to count votes except their own, it is well known and they don’t even hide it.

    Yuri Meleshkevich: I was taken out of the polling station by police with weapons
    http://charter97.org/ru/news/2015/10/13/173452/

    -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------

    excellent testimony of how turnout, voting and vote counting takes place.
    There is also a video, for those who consider everything "unfounded statements"
  47. robbihood
    robbihood 16 October 2015 20: 53 New
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    As I read the comments of the allies, I understood that since the 90s the majority has been "feeding from the hand" at least one Belarusian. Either cry or laugh. Then they breed Turus - why in Belarus young people look to the West. Eh you, "analytics". Make friends with the Papuans, you don't need to feed them from your hand, coconuts all year round. Forward, with cons!
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 16 October 2015 21: 02 New
      +1
      funny, read the comments of anonymous on the Internet, took offense and began to look hopefully to the West, there are no comments from there, we don’t understand the mousy laughing
  48. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 16 October 2015 20: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    Quote: Eugene30
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Legacy of the Ancestors
    That is, in your opinion, the vast majority of the country is liberals

    No, that's why the overwhelming majority voted for Lukashenka. Liberators are all kinds of "daughters of officers" who were retrained as "teachers"

    And who told you that you have to believe the stuffing of such little articles on the Internet like "nobody voted here"? I don’t know about the liberals, but articles by different bloggers also said that “neither I, nor any of my friends, no one in our yard voted for Putin”? ...


    And the fact that we live here and perfectly know our moods and the people as a whole. Most of the population generally polled the elections, as the votes were rewritten to Luka as always. And they were never allowed to count votes except their own, it is well known and they don’t even hide it.

    Yuri Meleshkevich: I was taken out of the polling station by police with weapons
    http://charter97.org/ru/news/2015/10/13/173452/

    -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------

    excellent testimony of how turnout, voting and vote counting takes place.
    There is also a video, for those who consider everything "unfounded statements"

    And who is this Melashkevich? We know all sorts of Nemtsovs and Navalny, too, screaming that they are supposedly being forbidden to do something there, that they are being taken out and taken away for 15 days. .....
  49. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 16 October 2015 21: 07 New
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    Quote: robbihood
    As I read the comments of the allies, I understood that since the 90s the majority has been "feeding from the hand" at least one Belarusian. Either cry or laugh. Then they breed Turus - why in Belarus young people look to the West. Eh you, "analytics". Make friends with the Papuans, you don't need to feed them from your hand, coconuts all year round. Forward, with cons!

    Please do not generalize. I am already sick of all sorts of screams about feeding someone, someone. Now the Ukrainians fed the Muscovites, the Russians feed everyone, then the Caucasus is the breadbasket of the All Union, etc. The USSR was destroyed, and now they are fighting among themselves. I think such "ideas" are deliberately thrown in and fostered in order to embroil the Russians and Belarusians. You need to react to this, realizing that people on their own will not think so, this is how they are invested in hunger by the appropriate media that shape public opinion. Not to start hating Russia, but to see at the root.
  50. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 16 October 2015 21: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Olezhek
    As an option, yes
    Now I would "polish rusty tanks" and ask for a loan from the IMF

    Russia frankly hrenovaya economy, but it works, oddly enough.

    Uh-huh, take oil, gas, and what is left? In Belarus, the industry was not ruined, in our country, on the contrary, there was a catastrophic de-industrialization. Just the other day I read an article about another Russian "peremog", about the opening of another plant for the production of excavators. It turned out that this is not a new plant, but simply ditching its production of excavators, now Japanese hitachi are assembled there with a screwdriver assembly. Cool, yeah. Import substitution is their mother. Yes, we will still learn from the Belarusians to live without natural resources.
    1. Olezhek
      16 October 2015 21: 59 New
      +2
      Once again (I am informed in mechanical engineering), our economy is hrenovoy, but it lives and breathes.
      Belorussian is a clean, uncluttered post-session.
      Commerce is of course a reptile, but with a complete state system in the economy is still sadder