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A number of questions on the "Oplotis"

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A photo of the welded tower of the 478 object appeared in the network, causing for some unknown reason a lot of noise.
Apparently a number of questions from the initial stage of the difficultly advancing Thai contract did not receive their answer. Much clarify the answers of the then factory director V. Fedosov. Since this is of interest, then why not return to the topic.




1. about casting towers from T-80UD at the strongholds

“The cast tower from the old Soviet T-XNUMHSUD, equipped with built-in dynamic protection (VDZ) of the Oplota configuration, which got into the lenses at the bottom of the open door, is a technological tower. Two such towers were created, performing the role of stands, on which, without the risk of damage to the serial towers, the assembly of the airborne components was designed, layout improvements were carried out to ensure the landing-landing of the driver, layout improvements of the 80B Tucha system (field tests of brackets for strength and shields on fit), fastening of the bunker, baskets of other removable elements ".

“In addition, technological towers were used in running tests of the factory as weight and size models. With an acute shortage of time, when the installation of the combat tower was carried out in the 2-3 shift, distracting it to the mileage on the 3-4 of the day (especially if there were problems with FED KSUD) was absolutely irrational. ”

2. about the old buildings

A number of questions on the "Oplotis"



478B factory them. Malysheva


“Similarly, for the technological purposes, three old T-XNUMHUD cases were used: they were used to install the protection module, side VDZ containers, etc.). The old T-80 UD was three. One body after unsuccessful experiments was cut and lying on the street. The two remaining buildings are located in the workshop and will be further used for experimental development and prototyping. ”

3. about the fate of the T-84 put MOU and their alterations in Thai "strongholds"

Regarding the information on remaking the T-84 Oplot 478DU9 object in Oplot-T BM478DU10 / 478DU9-1 object, it is easy to disprove it by tracing the fate of all released T-84, since they were all 10 chi.

MOU did not have funds for a one-time payment for the production of Oplotov and therefore paid funds for their production in parts, Ukrspetsexport paid part of the amount, by agreement with the MO. Based on this - 4 tank, for which Ukrspetsexport paid, passed into his ownership, in 2004 they were sold in the USA to the Aberdeen Proving Ground. Of the six unsold vehicles, one tank is located at the Ukrainian Academy of Ground Forces in Lviv.


T-XNUMHUD (part of KAZ Drozd) are based in the Aberdeen Training Center, pcs. Maryland cm - T-80UD in the USA No. 80

The five remaining T-84 hit the plant them. Malysheva thanks to the “patronage” of Defense Minister Salamatin, who planned to upgrade them to the level of the more modern BM Oplot (478DU10) for the Ukrainian army.


84-ki on the way to and did not take place modernization of the plant them. Malysheva

They did not have time to legally formalize the modernization process: Salamatin resigned as minister; his followers did not see a rational grain in equipping the Armed Forces of Ukraine with more modern tanks, especially considering the cost reduction under the Minister of Defense Lebedev. Machines returned to the combat structure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It was quite expensive to carry five tanks far, so their “point of permanent dislocation” was determined by the 92-th OMBR in Bashkirovka, near Kharkov.





84-ki returned to the combat structure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...
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  1. spech
    spech 18 October 2015 06: 55 New
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    A photo of the welded tower of the 478 object appeared in the network, causing for some unknown reason a lot of noise.

    What noise can I recall?
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 18 October 2015 07: 14 New
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      Quote: spech
      What noise can I recall?

      She has thin hatches. lol
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 18 October 2015 08: 59 New
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      Quote: spech

      What noise can I recall?

      Yes, no noise.
      An incomprehensible article, most likely, aims to prove that, they say, a plant to them. Malyshev has not yet collapsed, that he can do something else from scratch, and not just collect, and not very quickly, tanks from the remnants of the Soviet legacy.
      Those. not entirely successful attempt to prove that bedridden is better than standing lol that, you see, in a magical way you can save a high-tech enterprise after many years of actual downtime and without investing billions.
      (For billions themselves need wink )
      1. srelock
        srelock 18 October 2015 19: 29 New
        +3
        Ultimately, HZTM will be faced with the need to master at least the repair of a heavy tracked platform ... Of course, after the enterprise becomes part of the UVZ corporation wink
      2. Cossack Ermak
        Cossack Ermak 18 October 2015 21: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Alekseev
        Yes, no noise.
        An incomprehensible article, most likely, aims to prove that, they say, a plant to them. Malyshev has not yet collapsed, that he can do something else from scratch, and not just collect, and not very quickly, tanks from the remnants of the Soviet legacy.
        Those. not quite a successful attempt to prove that lying is better than standing lol, that, you see, you can magically save a high-tech enterprise after many years of actual downtime without investing billions.
        (For billions themselves need to wink)

        Only hee hee is not necessary. Uralvagonzavod destroyed the fundamental enterprise in Omsk. I left a bunch of specialists without work, but here it’s all hehe
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 19 October 2015 01: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Cossack Ermak
          Only hee hee is not necessary. Uralvagonzavod destroyed the fundamental enterprise in Omsk. I left a bunch of specialists without work, but here it’s all hehe

          UVZ Corporation
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 October 2015 08: 04 New
    +1
    Да ничего, и "Оплоты" разлетаются на куски от выстрела РПГ ! laughing
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 18 October 2015 08: 19 New
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      Quote: aszzz888
      Да ничего, и "Оплоты" разлетаются на куски от выстрела РПГ !

      impenetrable tanks (like any other equipment) does not exist in principle request
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    3. Malkor
      Malkor 18 October 2015 09: 46 New
      +2
      Abrams fly better
      [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = a2GR-g9777k]
      1. Malkor
        Malkor 18 October 2015 20: 45 New
        +4
        But in general, the massive death of American technology
  3. Angro Magno
    Angro Magno 18 October 2015 08: 32 New
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    What is the article about?
  4. GRAY
    GRAY 18 October 2015 09: 04 New
    +2
    The hole in the tower (in place of the sight) is pleasing. Interestingly, from AK really break through there? Armor-piercing incendiary ...
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 18 October 2015 12: 01 New
      +1
      Такие "дырки",точнее отверстия есть на всех танках-место установки прицела-дальномера..Ну а статья просто некий ответ на то,что уже давно запылилось на полках..
      Quote: GRAY
      The hole in the tower (in place of the sight) is pleasing. Interestingly, from AK really break through there? Armor-piercing incendiary ...
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 18 October 2015 12: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Такие "дырки",точнее отверстия есть на всех танках-место установки прицела-дальномера..

        I always thought that such devices should be microscopic and the edges of the hole should be on the same level so that nothing flies there.
        Like here:
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 18 October 2015 17: 51 New
          +6
          Perhaps I’ll jerk slightly:
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 19 October 2015 11: 40 New
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            And here it is attached to the front of the tower:

  5. sagitta25
    sagitta25 18 October 2015 10: 40 New
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    Something I did not understand ... What is the article about? What did the author want to tell us? What are the problems with tanks in Ukraine? So this and so everyone knows ... There is a problem immediately in the whole of the military-industrial complex and not only !!!
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 October 2015 11: 06 New
    +5
    Ukrainians sold all the secrets and Kaz and Armor and shells. Crouching unlike the countries of the social camp, they sold weapons for the USSR army with full characteristics
  7. mvg
    mvg 18 October 2015 11: 18 New
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    Статья, так понимаю, о том, что "нечистые" на-руку хохлы пытаются втюхать азиатам, не новые Оплоты, а модернезированные Т-80УД. А, в случае, с Оплотами, речь шла о "принципиально новой, сварной" башне... Папье-маше, так сказать. Ну, конечно, поганцы еще те: китайцам ракеты, п..досам танки... еще не все продали? Сало то хоть осталось?
    1. svp67
      svp67 18 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: mvg
      not the new Bastions, but the modernized T-80UD.

      And Oplot was created by modernizing the T-80UD, what is the crime?
    2. Belarus
      Belarus 18 October 2015 11: 40 New
      +3
      It seems that at such a pace, soon from the fat only the peel will remain and that bitten.
    3. 97110
      97110 18 October 2015 18: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: mvg
      Is there any fat left?

      He is being taken from Russia from the Kravchuk era. Salo ho.hly just a lot more.
      1. Rader
        Rader 19 October 2015 00: 23 New
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        Quote: 97110
        Quote: mvg
        Salo is at least left?

        He is being taken from Russia from the Kravchuk era. Salo ho.hly just a lot more.

        No. Salo is imported from Poland and Belarus ...
      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 19 October 2015 01: 32 New
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        They still have fat, but sugar is now being brought from Russia, Belarus and Moldova, because after the reform of tariffs, s / s sugar became about 10 hryvnias per kg., and the Russian 7 hryvnias per kg. Across Ukraine, 40% of sugar factories have already closed; instead of beets, rape has begun to be planted. Rapeseed culture is suitable for biofuels, but sucks all the juices out of the earth, depletes the soil by 70% -80% in five years. In short, European integration can put an end to agricultural Ukraine. Sorry, but I always work on this issue. I don’t give a damn about Russian agricultural, I want our children to be healthy and well-fed, and not to wait for humanitarian aid from the USA.
  8. SPIKER
    SPIKER 18 October 2015 12: 17 New
    +6
    Да,"красиво" работают "вэлыки хлопци",что в Мэриленде Т-80УД прописались!!!Всё абсолютно сдали своим "браткам" и,похоже,с документацией...даже!!!Там же,по видимому,все "бумаги"и КБ "Южное",не зря наше МО торопится с заменой "Сатаны" на "Сармат"!!!Печально как-то...
    1. yan 2015
      yan 2015 18 October 2015 14: 55 New
      +3
      sometimes brothers in relation to doing more good .. than brothers in blood. Bulgarians. Poles. Ukrainians how many wolves do not feed .. something like that.
  9. Forest
    Forest 18 October 2015 12: 20 New
    +2
    Why did our esteemed Mr. Andrei BT not pay attention to the thin roof? But what about the keeperheads, hundreds of which are carried by militants of the whole world in their pocket?
  10. yan 2015
    yan 2015 18 October 2015 14: 53 New
    +1
    there’s always a bolt on a tricky nut.
  11. Captain nemo
    Captain nemo 18 October 2015 15: 17 New
    +3
    Статья с фото скорей всего о том, что сварные башни для "Оплотов" Украина может делать сама. Паровозиком говорится, что и корпуса тоже может делать, но тут уже без подтверждающих эти слова фото.
  12. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 18 October 2015 16: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: mvg
    Is there any fat left?

    Polish still probably yes request
  13. a lex locis
    a lex locis 18 October 2015 17: 23 New
    +2
    To the minus author.
    There is nothing to write about, but I want to write something ....
    So you have to write all sorts of nonsense ...
    Who sways the endless alteration of the remnants of illiquid armored forces on the Ruin.
    They are even forced to export metal from the landfill for export, dust off the dust, and on the market, some suckers vparivat on the cheap ...
  14. Served once
    Served once 18 October 2015 23: 36 New
    0
    And in this article I liked Yemenis the most lol Not a bit of sadness in my eyes laughing As B. Babochkin used to say in the movie Chapaev: Fuck with him, come on psychic. The Yankees of the Saudis armed of course, but everything burns and explodes with the skillful actions of spirits.
  15. Maxom75
    Maxom75 19 October 2015 01: 36 New
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    А "Оплот" был такой крутой разработкой, что производить для собственной армии его Украина не стала, слишком дорогой. Вот вам и весь ответ. Меня всегда интересовало, где украинцы будут брать качественные стволы для танков? Раньше закупали в России или снимали с танков производства СССР. Собственные стволы не отличались положительными характеристиками.
  16. 933454818
    933454818 19 October 2015 10: 49 New
    +1
    Вчера по спутниковому ТВ смотрел передачу Укро-ТВ.Там армейские спецы ругались с директором предприятия выпускающего танк Оплот.В общем как я понял со слов военных новых танков в армии Украины нет.Подавляющее большинство танков-это Т-64 восстановленных после длительного хранения,так что военные поставили вопрос о производстве зап.частей на Т-64 из-за того,что им для ремонта приходится ставить на танки старые б/у зап.части,а это "шило на мыло"
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  18. 2s1122
    2s1122 19 October 2015 14: 53 New
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    So which tower is more reliable, whoever I say is not special in this.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 19 October 2015 16: 18 New
      +1
      Molten justifies itself with a large quantity in production (less time is spent on its production, but it is more difficult to organize production.)
      A welded tower is more expensive, but easier to make changes to the design of the tower.
      On modern T-90, the tower is welded.
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 October 2015 16: 43 New
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        Quote: Bad_gr
        Cast justifies itself with a large quantity in production

        Больше при так называемом "мобилизационном" варианте. Когда надо много и по быстрее.
        Quote: Bad_gr
        A welded tower is more expensive, but easier to make changes to the design of the tower.
        On modern T-90, the tower is welded.
        Not only, with an equal thickness, the cast armored barrier has lower armor resistance, reaches 30%. Welded, from sheets of rolled armor are stronger, moreover, they allow you to switch to modular armor, which is also positive.
        1. Serg81
          Serg81 20 October 2015 22: 46 New
          +1
          You're not right. Cast stronger.
    2. svp67
      svp67 19 October 2015 19: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: 2s1122
      So which tower is more reliable

      Welded from rolled sheets, reinforced with interchangeable modules for additional reservations.
  19. CRASH
    CRASH 16 March 2016 14: 39 New
    0
    That is, instead of a cast tower, they slipped a welded one)) well done)