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Stingers are already in Syria

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Field commanders fighting against Bashar al-Assad received consent from the curators in Riyadh and Doha to supply them with the latest generation MANPADS


The terrorist attack in Ankara, whose victims were about a hundred people with hundreds of wounded, diverted media attention from Russia's military operation in Syria, which has become routine for them.

Intimidation of possible losses, demands of jihad, outrage over the passage of Russian missiles a few miles from the American drone, the threat to stop buying gas and refusing to build a nuclear power plant look inadequate regardless of whether they are voiced by Americans, Saudis or Turks. And the sympathies of the public, they can not bring to those who voiced them, nor those who ordered them.

Inconvenient analogies


Refugees, hundreds of thousands of whom suddenly overwhelmed Europe, are raising great fears among its inhabitants. And to bomb Assad under the pretext that it is necessary that they stop arriving there, Russia does not allow. Because large-scale provocation with mass immigration did not bring the desired results.

Another thing is a terrorist attack. Win-win business. The victims cause so much sympathy, and the terrorists are outraged because the rally that was blown up was for peace. The voiced list of structures that, in the opinion of the Turkish leadership, may be behind the terrorist attack, includes everyone who is suspicious, we’ve lumped it all together, then we’ll see. At the same time, no one asked why, in fact, they needed a terrorist attack, the only beneficiary of which before the impending parliamentary elections is the country's leadership. It received a blank check on any actions against those who would be declared supporters of the radicals. Naturally, the MIT Turkish security service is missing from the list of suspects, although, due to the strangeness of the motives, the incident very much resembles the recent terrorist attack in Surush, which started a new round of Erdogan’s war against the Kurds.

The author is not a supporter of conspiracy theories. However, he is not aware of the terrorist attacks, all the more so resonant, for which no one would take responsibility, unless they are organized as a political provocation. And here the difference between the recent explosion in Ankara and the burning of the Berlin Reichstag, from his point of view, is not great. Elections in Turkey on the nose. The likelihood that Erdogan will achieve on them the results that he needs to maintain the monopoly on power by the Party of justice and development (AKP) is small. He has too many enemies, and his assets have too many turns and mistakes, the main one of which was participation in the Syrian civil war on the side of the opponents of Assad in alliance with Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Fortunately, the Arabian monarchies successfully gave Turkey the opportunity to try on the role of a front-line state with all the threats and costs inherent in this status, including the problem of refugees.

For all their significance for the formation of the Russian strategy in Syria of the American and French-British factors, they are still secondary. Real threats are associated with activity in the Syrian direction of Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Especially the latter, since Erdogan has nowhere to retreat. The border with Syria and Syrian refugees on its territory are permanent factors. The flow of terrorists to Syria goes mainly through Turkey. Oil trading, which provides the bulk of the income of the Islamic State, is also conducted through Turkey. And if Assad’s army and its allies control the border, and the city of Raqqa, through which the oil flows, will be lost by the IS (regardless of who occupies it), the project of overthrowing Assad in favor of the Islamists will finally fail, the sacrifices made by Erdogan will vain and his reputation, and also, more importantly for him, the power can be dealt a fatal blow.

All that is acquired by excessive work


The volume of bilateral trade and the intensity of passenger traffic between Russia and Turkey are two orders of magnitude higher than between Russia and Qatar or Saudi Arabia. Taking into account stories bilateral relations, Turkey’s participation in NATO, the level of training and combat experience of the Turkish Armed Forces, official Ankara’s position on Crimea, the straits factor, as well as the personal characteristics of the country's president, the assessment of the Turkish component of the war in Syria is of particular importance for understanding the development prospects of the situation in this country. Considering it, based on the data of experts IBI Yu. B. Shcheglovina and V.I. Kovalev, which testify: the military operation of Russia in Syria had a very negative impact on the development of Turkey’s strategy and tactics on the Syrian direction.

Stingers are already in Syria


For the United States, it has become a challenge to their dominant role in the world, but for Ankara, everything is much more mundane. Achieved a month ago, the US-Turkish agreement to lease the US Air Force base "Incirlik" was not easy for Ankara. President Erdogan had to literally step on his throat in order to conduct constructive negotiations with the Americans. But the delay was fraught with the loss of a strategic initiative. Throughout the spring and summer, Ankara, Doha and Riyadh agreed on the contours of the compromise and the division of the “zones of responsibility” of the groups under their control. It was about the general offensive against Damascus and the end of the era of the rule of Assad. For this, Saudi Arabia agreed with the demand of Qatar and Turkey to recognize the Muslim Brotherhood’s right to participate in the political life of Syria. This led to the capture by pro-Saud groups of Idlib, and by pro-Cathar and pro-Turkish (including IG) access to operational positions in northern Aleppo.

At the end of the summer, the Kurdish militia launched an offensive against Rakka. This forced the Turks and Qatari to change tactics, which superimposed on the failure of Erdogan’s party in the parliamentary elections. It was planned that the outbreak of hostilities against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) would raise a wave of nationalism in Turkish society and reduce the result of the pro-Kurdish Peoples Democracy Party (MHP) S. Demirtas in the upcoming parliamentary elections. In addition, the PKK fighters, who play a major role in the Kurdish areas of Syria, were detained on the “Turkish front”. However, the fierce resistance of the Kurds disrupted Erdogan’s hopes for a quick victory. This was his first mistake. The second was that he decided: after the “gift” of the United States in the form of renting the Incirlik Air Force Base, they would go to Ankara’s request for assistance in creating a “buffer zone” on the border with Syria, and in the future - to create a “no-fly zone” . The first took place de facto. In the second he was denied.

At present, the Americans who are passionate about the propaganda war with Russia are ready to support the Kurds in the attack on Rakka. This scenario is deadly for Erdogan. His entire combination with Qatar was undertaken to provide, through the creation of a “buffer zone,” channels of material and technical assistance to IS and pro-Turkish groups in Syria. Taking Rakka this scheme destroys. Recall that after the terrorist attack in Surush in the Kurdish camp, for which the Turks laid the blame on the IS, the Turkish Air Force did not bomb the IS positions, but focused on the PKK detachments. Yes, and the IG did not respond to the beginning of the "campaign of retaliation" against him by Turkey. Moreover, with the assistance of the Turks, the Jabhat al-Nusra detachments went beyond the “buffer zone”, and the militants of the IS took their place. Despite the fact that at the request of Ankara, the US planes did not bomb either of the others.

Erdogan’s third mistake was that he believed that Moscow was ready to surrender Assad. From here followed all his other miscalculations, including an alliance with Qatar, which was formed on the basis of unity of goals in the Syrian and Libyan directions. If Raqqa is taken, the positions of the prokatarsky IS in Syria, and then in Iraq, will sharply weaken. Turkey abandoned the project of training the forces of the “new Syrian opposition” together with the United States six months ago, blocking it and starting a program of self-training for Qatari money. Now Ankara will have to start all over again, preparing its own militants, which can be presented to the world as a “moderate opposition”.

Erdogan in October


For this, Erdogan was forced to begin negotiations with the EU. The official purpose of his visit was to enlist the support of Europeans in minimizing the negative outcome of the migration crisis that swept Europe, although the Turkish president provoked the crisis himself, trying to reduce voter discontent with the presence of a huge number of Syrian and other refugees in the country. The blackmail of Brussels was a success, the EU agreed to finance the creation of new refugee camps in Turkey. This will allow financing the training of new recruits for Islamist structures, since refugee camps are the best place to recruit new “volunteers”. However, Ankara will become more active in this area only if the parliamentary elections of November 1 are “satisfactory” for the AKP.

However, the results of Erdogan's visit to Brussels 5 – 6 of October of this year are dual. The Europeans agreed to allocate to him about two billion euros for the resettlement of refugees in Turkey, forcing him to commit to accept migrants from the ships intercepted by the EU ships. Moreover, European politicians are discussing the deportation of thousands of refugees back to 400. However, Turkey did not promise to accept everyone, but to prove that the refugees arrived from Turkish territory is unrealistic. In addition, the expulsion of refugees is associated with serious legal conflicts and requires the adoption of new EU laws. By the way, having provoked a massive outflow of refugees, Erdogan weakened the Islamist opponents of Assad, seriously reducing the base for recruiting new volunteers in the camps. And many of those who fought in Syria decided to become “internally displaced persons” in Europe.

But the Turkish president also came to Brussels to work on the issue of supporting plans to create a “buffer zone of security” from the Turkish border to Aleppo, including the “no-fly zone”. The basis of this plan is, in addition to the creation of rear bases of pro-Turkish groups in the north of Syria, an attempt to disrupt the organization of Kurdish autonomy on its borders. The Europeans promised to "discuss" the project. A day later, German Chancellor A. Merkel said that "she does not see Turkey as a member of the EU." The United States has officially declared that they do not see "logistics and technical capabilities" for organizing a "security zone", including a "no-fly zone." This decision was clearly strengthened after the attack by Russian cruise missiles from the Caspian Sea on the targets of terrorists in Syria. Fortunately, the only force the Americans can rely on in the attack on Cancer is the Kurds. And they will ignore Erdogan’s opinion on this matter.

The Turkish president is suspicious and annoying in both Brussels and Washington. Ankara initiative failed. Europe and the United States are not ready to quarrel with Russia on the Syrian platform for the sake of Turkish ambitions and Turkey remains isolated in this connection, especially if Qatar decides to phase out its IS project in Syria (IG has recently been actively relocated to Pro-Gang groups in Libya). Turkish MIT will build up subversive activities in Syria, including against the Russian military. But in the case of taking Raqqah and establishing control over the northern provinces, the Kurds will become a buffer for this activity. As for Erdogan, his position may seriously weaken after summing up the parliamentary elections, in which the AKP most likely will not be able to get an absolute majority of votes.

Anatolian alignment


AKP Chairman Ahmet Davutoglu presented an updated election program only on October 4. Programs for the upcoming November 1 elections will be of secondary importance, especially since the previous elections were held recently - June 7. The PSR program - “Roadmap to peace and stability in Turkey” - is the same, it was only called “They say what the AKP does”. The shortcomings revealed in the Turkish parliamentary system of power, which has existed for almost a hundred years, are emphasized, the adoption of a new constitution and a transition to a presidential form of government is required. Plans for a Kurdish settlement, despite the escalation of tensions, have not been removed from the agenda and have not been adjusted. It is planned to revise the structure of the High Council of Judges and Prosecutors, increasing the role of parliament in the judicial system. In this regard, the opposition accuses the AKP of intending to finally crush the judicial system. The only thing that was audited was the economy, adjusted for the exchange rate of the national currency and inflation.

What is the goal of the AKP, which updated the list of candidates for 70 percent, in the upcoming “re-election” of November 1? Forget about 400 seats in parliament, which were the aim of the AKP in the last election. Her task is to add 18 seats to get a simple majority in parliament, the Majlis, with a total of at least 276. Until recently, the pro-Kurdish Peoples Democracy Party (PDN), which overcame the 10 percent electoral barrier, was considered as a source of missing votes. However, opinion polls did not reveal a drop in the popularity of PDN and its leader S. Demirtas, despite an attack by official media, while the AKP ratings remain at 40 percent, repeating the results of the June 7 election. So with regard to the Kurds, aggressive rhetoric will increase as the elections approach. Moreover, the state of emergency in the eastern and southeastern provinces gives rise to the leadership of the country through the Supreme Electoral Council of Turkey to unite and crush polling stations in this region, gaining votes in their favor.

As a result, the AKP switched to other opposition movements, in particular the Republican People’s Party (NPP) and its leader Kemal Kilicdaroglu. A special role in this regard for the Nationalist Movement Party (PND), Devlet Bakhcheli, which is more suitable for the AKP as a partner in terms of the moderately Islamic views of its electorate. Until recently, they were divided by the Kurdish issue, which the AKP brought to the internal political agenda of the country, but today this problem is removed from the agenda. The possibility of their convergence was secured after the son of the founder of the IPA, Turgul Turksh, entered the interim government, left his party and became a candidate for the AKP. This transition is important from the point of view of overstretching a part of the PND electorate towards the AKP.

Cancer knot


Anyway, the parliamentary elections in Turkey are approaching and the further strategy of Erdogan in the Syrian direction largely depends on their results. In the meantime, judging by the latest information, field commanders fighting against Assad in Syria have received consent from the curators in Riyadh and Doha to supply the latest generation of MANPADS to them. Among the main recipients are the detachments “Jabhat al-Nusra”, “Ahrar al-Sham” and the remnants of the Syrian Free Army (FSA), based in southern Syria - in the area of ​​Hama and Homs. The operational units of the General Intelligence Agency (RBD) KSA will take over the supply and supply of MANPADS, and the operatives of the Turkish MIT special services will transfer the MANPADS from Turkey to the north of Syria. They will be engaged in the study of the technical and logistical aspects of these operations.

The question of Jordan’s position remains open. The initial consultations of the Saudis in Amman did not lead to a positive result for them. Amman is cautious about the prospect of turning Jordan into a rear base for the transfer of MANPADS systems to Syria, believing that this could lead to the spread of violence to the territory of the kingdom. Moreover, the local population is not too loyal to the royal power, sympathizing with the IG. According to experts, the supply of MANPADS, if the Americans close their eyes to them, will restore the balance of power on the fronts.

Western analysts also point out that Russian airstrikes aviation in Syria - the preparation of a ground operation by government forces, Iranians, Iraqi and Lebanese Shiite police. Detachments of Afghan Hazaras will also be thrown into the battle, who will begin to clear the liberated areas and stand in them with garrisons and roadblocks. There are three possible directions for the upcoming offensive: north of Homs, the Al-Gab region and the mountainous regions northwest of Hama, as well as the Kveiris air force base, which is blocked by Islamists. The environment of the militants in the Khomsk pocket eliminates the threat of their attack on Homs and Hama. Through the Al-Gab region, the army enters the operational space for the liberation of the city of Jisr al-Shugur, which is the gateway to Latakia, which removes the threat of an Islamist offensive from the Idlib bridgehead. The fighting for the Kveyris Air Force Base is of great importance for raising the morale of Assad’s army.

Consultations of the Kurdish militia command in Damascus about supporting their actions against the IG by Russian aviation give additional impetus to the US in a short time to organize an attack on Raqa by the forces of the 20 of the thousandth Kurdish militia and the five thousand Turkoman police. This allows Russia to use the hands of the United States to undermine the IG’s position in Syria, at the same time complicating Washington’s relations with Ankara. Moreover, if the States close their eyes to delivering MANPADS to Islamists through Turkey, and information about the indirect participation of American security forces or their inaction is leaked to the media, the damage caused to the Democratic Party and its candidates by the start of the election campaign will be great. That for President B. Obama is quite important.

Let us pay attention to the redeployment of the US Command Combined Joint Special Operations Operations Force-Syria (CJSOTF-S) to the Al-Udeid base in Qatar. Officially, it is subject to the US Special Operations Command (USSOCOM), whose competence includes training and equipping militants of the Syrian opposition. It is known that the CJSOTF-S command center in Qatar will coordinate deliveries from the USA and from Pentagon bases weapons for opponents of al-Assad. Funding for these operations took over Riyadh. The headquarters will also take over the synchronization of the ground forces of the opposition with the actions of the 39 th wing of the US Air Force, which is based on the Incirlik base in Turkey. That is, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the United States are heading for large-scale promotion of subversive activities in Syria, which does not cancel the onset of the Kurdish militia on Raqqa. In the end, how it will be with the overthrow of Assad after the appearance of the Russian videoconferencing system in Syria is unknown, and we have to demonstrate war against Islamists to Congress ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 15 October 2015 05: 03 New
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    Confidence in the words of the author is very high, he is a strong specialist in this region. The information is pretty disturbing. But since they got down to business, we must bring it to the end, to our Victory. I really want to wish our pilots good luck in the battle, and that she would turn her back on their enemies.
    1. SSR
      SSR 15 October 2015 05: 24 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Confidence in the words of the author is very high, he is a strong specialist in this region. The information is pretty disturbing. But since they got down to business, we must bring it to the end, to our Victory. I really want to wish our pilots good luck in the battle, and that she would turn her back on their enemies.

      Если "партнеры" начнут снабжать ПЗРК, то считаю у РФ полностью развязаны руки и вообще тогда вместо вертушек по объектам должны начать работать "Торнадо, Ураганы, Смерчи". И просто накрывать по площадям на которох выявлены террористы. В общем там можно целый список составить и обязательно надо будет помочь хуситам.
      1. Junior, I
        Junior, I 15 October 2015 05: 58 New
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        Then shoot down planes with turntables of Americans and Turks. Since their flights are not coordinated with Assad.
        1. Dembel77
          Dembel77 15 October 2015 06: 51 New
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          Article plus, I liked it. From myself I will add as a resume. If you imagine the Middle East region in the form of a certain capacity, where brutal military and political passions have been boiling for a long time, then it is not difficult to guess who is holding the mixer. Well, all this brew is brewed, you guessed it, at the stake made of oil! And some who do not stingyly pour it on the fire! But Russia intervened and everything went wrong as some wanted.
          1. Good me
            Good me 15 October 2015 07: 54 New
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            Quote: Dembel 77
            But Russia intervened and everything went wrong as some wanted.
          2. varov14
            varov14 15 October 2015 10: 12 New
            +3
            It turns out that our own oil lobby pushed us to Syria, although they are all cool liberals and about Westerners.
            1. Altona
              Altona 15 October 2015 10: 56 New
              +2
              Quote: varov14
              It turns out that our own oil lobby pushed us to Syria, although they are all cool liberals and about Westerners.

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              At the very beginning there were demotivators and articles that Rotenberg’s interests are in Syria ...
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 15 October 2015 18: 41 New
                +4
                Stingers are already in Syria

                And the stingers and stringers and swingers are already in Syria.
          3. Rostislav
            Rostislav 15 October 2015 10: 59 New
            +6
            Рисунку отдельный "+".
          4. vlad.svargin
            vlad.svargin 15 October 2015 14: 02 New
            +7
            Dembel77 (2)
            If you imagine the Middle East region in the form of a certain capacity, where brutal military and political passions have been boiling for a long time, then it’s easy to guess who is holding the mixer

            Рисунок очень понравился. Кстати в одной из программ Сатановский как то выразился, что у американцев в запасе ещё много "граблей" и наступать им не в первой. Добавлю ещё одно его высказывание, как раз на тему статьи
            It is curious whether the West will deliver modern MANPADS to terrorist groups after everything that has happened between them since the September 11th terrorist attack. Since it’s more than clear that they will bombard any planes, helicopters and drones, starting with the American ones. Russia will not leave such an answer without an answer. (Eugene Satanovsky)
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            2. win
              win 16 October 2015 11: 45 New
              +3
              у американцев в запасе ещё много "граблей" и наступать им не в первой.

              Americans jump on a rake.
              And with all my heart!
        2. varov14
          varov14 15 October 2015 10: 08 New
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          I don’t know how true it is, but on many sites I read that 3 of our planes have already been shot down, and the grouping is already not big enough. And the latest news about the next order bearer sharply diminished patriotism. The order is apparently for the fact that America did not accept it, which means its own.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 15 October 2015 13: 28 New
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            Quote: varov14
            read that 3 of our aircraft is already shot down

            ...если читать "чужие хазеты" - то укропы уже сотнями посбивали и Т-писят...
            So, you don’t need to drag someone else’s misinformation here!
            1. Kunar
              Kunar 16 October 2015 14: 31 New
              +9
              That's right))))))))
            2. Mujahiddin777
              Mujahiddin777 16 October 2015 16: 42 New
              +1
              I fully support you.
              Боец ВСУ у себя на страничке написал что видел в бою "Армату" и что впечатление не произвел, раздолбали из РПГ а экипаж взяли в плен. Все срочники из ростова. А внизу число 31.01.2015
              And of course, Glory to Ukraine!
              1. skomfit
                skomfit 17 October 2015 14: 15 New
                +1
                you guys when the mushrooms cease to be forbidden and VVp flies on the stealth and all are bombed by what Armata, if you throw something at that, then all the slag that already had to be written off. According to your judgment, any technique crap in Iraq Abrasov shot more than a hundred pieces and merkavu to Israeli cornet hollowed out - I’ll tell you a secret there are no non-lining tanks. Tank in a battle consumable. The tank has little chance of having such a tank survivability. There is no such concept of tank survivability.
          2. EvgNik
            EvgNik 15 October 2015 14: 04 New
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            Quote: varov14
            general patriotism sharply diminished

            Если "патриотизм" у вас резиновый, то конечно...
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 15 October 2015 14: 52 New
              +5
              But how to link the beginning of our operation in Syria and immediately the news about refugees in Europe disappeared as if there were none?
              Afraid of unhealthy analogies, refugee bombing?
          3. bayard
            bayard 15 October 2015 14: 15 New
            +9
            In the Soviet Union, this was awarded before retirement or a polite retirement. Let him wear it, he deserves it — he, through his stupidity and indifference, broke so many plans for the owners ... while creating (?) The appearance of external control.
          4. Victorio
            Victorio 15 October 2015 23: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: varov14
            I don’t know how true it is, but on many sites I read that 3 of our planes have already been shot down, and the grouping is already not big enough. And the latest news about the next order bearer sharply diminished patriotism. The order is apparently for the fact that America did not accept it, which means its own.

            ===
            selection pilots, aircraft, too, after the first shot down, the corresponding conclusions would have been made
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            2. Kiroant
              Kiroant 16 October 2015 11: 29 New
              0
              I apologize for the minus. I did not understand the situation. I will be corrected.
          5. Kunar
            Kunar 16 October 2015 14: 27 New
            +1
            This is unlikely)))) Woodpeckers would have raised such a howl)))
          6. Kunar
            Kunar 16 October 2015 15: 46 New
            +1
            Where did the firewood come from?
        3. marlin1203
          marlin1203 15 October 2015 10: 09 New
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          By the way, what still prevents the Syrian army from officially shooting down all other planes other than its own and Russian in its own airspace? And then they fly, they dump something to someone ... Syria’s air defense was decent, if not, then it’s not a sin to help with technology.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 15 October 2015 10: 35 New
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            Quote: marlin1203
            By the way, what still prevents the Syrian army from officially shooting down all other planes other than its own and Russian in its own airspace?



            I am also interested in this question all the time ... Moreover, it somehow gets around or is hushed up ...

            There is a country Syria ... There is both its and international legislation ... It has its own armed forces along with the Air Force ...

            Тут в ее небе появляются самолеты "коалиции из 65 стран" и творят беспредел... Ни мандата ООН и его Совбеза, ни приглашения легитимного сирийского правительства...

            It’s simply called - robbery.

            И почему еще ни одного "коалиционного" самолета не "приземлили" ???

            Сказав "А", нужно говорить и "Б"...
            1. max702
              max702 15 October 2015 12: 03 New
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              Quote: veksha50
              After all, this is simply called - robbery ...

              This is a STRONG RIGHT ... alas, Syria is not able to provide air defense, and Russia most likely will not aggravate the situation to the very last edge .. Purely technically, we can repel one or two raids, but then .. Given that it will be dramatically increased NATO strike group with comrades, and the way out is either fighting off (which is very difficult) or bombing the aggressor bases throughout BV, and this is a direct road to the 3rd world and global Arctic fox .. There really is an option with shock therapy (by type of caliber) to fill up in a day with a dozen aircraft of the heap, but this is a very risky step ..
            2. Rus2012
              Rus2012 15 October 2015 13: 35 New
              +6
              Quote: veksha50
              By the way, what still prevents the Syrian army from officially shooting down all the planes of others

              ... a simple question: does Assad have the power for this after the Xnumlet of war?

              Quote: max702
              Purely technically, we can repel one two raids, but then ..

              And what is the illegal 3,14 indigenous coalition running in packs in the sky of Syria?

              Конашенков сказал - "Fighter Russian Aerospace Forces (one!) did not want to scare US pilots в Сирии". :)))
              Now imagine a picture in oil - there will be new Syrian Air Force fighters (Chinese or Russian, it doesn’t matter), with internationalist pilots ...
              AND...?
              1. sa-ag
                sa-ag 15 October 2015 13: 40 New
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                Quote: Rus2012
                internationalist pilots ...

                internationalism in the capitalist RF? There is one goofy pragmatism, this is, by the way, an authoritative position
                1. veksha50
                  veksha50 15 October 2015 18: 28 New
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                  Quote: sa-ag
                  internationalism in the capitalist RF?



                  А при чем здесь капитализм ??? Забудьте марксистскую трактовку, она являлась лишь одной из ветвей понятия "интернационализм", противостоящему понятиям "нацизм" и "национализм"...

                  Internationalism (from lat. inter - “between” and natio - “people”) - ideology preaching friendship and cooperation between nations.

                  Вот так... Попросту и цинично говоря - бросить клич: "Наших бьют !" - кто прибежит на этот клич, тот и интернационалист... А без шуток - многим, хотя и находящимся под пятой США, это все надоело, и найдутся люди, которые сядут в кабины самолетов и займут места номеров расчетов комплексов ПВО... Не рассуждая ни о каких "измах"...
              2. veksha50
                veksha50 15 October 2015 18: 22 New
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                Quote: Rus2012
                Now imagine a picture in oil - there will be new Syrian Air Force fighters (Chinese or Russian, it doesn’t matter), with internationalist pilots ...
                AND...?



                Hmm ... I’m talking about something ... The sky and territory are Syrian ...
                If Syrian a fighter or air defense system will be shot down by an actually gangster-robber plane of another state that has invaded its space - what, does the 3rd World War begin ???

                Although staff members spit on the UN, it will be difficult even for them to launder and accuse Syria of aggression ...

                А "приземленный" самолет (хотя бы один !!!) может ну очень прилично сбить наглость с коалиционных пилотов...

                By and large - and who of this coalition is ready to die for US interests ??? Tryndet is one thing, and another thing is to go into battle and die ...
              3. Suhow
                Suhow 17 October 2015 20: 30 New
                0
                I agree with your proposal, it's time to attract Chinese comrades ... And I apologize about Ukraine, where I live, here again elections and interesting videos, for woodpeckers, We stopped the Russian aggression, I wonder where ??? and was this aggression ??? and what stopped her? in words, glory to Ukraine, etc., or the heroes don’t die. Almost the entire economy and most citizens are stuck at the fifth point and get this nonsense ... how it got !!! Europe is considered to be with us ... just add for now she needs it.
            3. Firstvanguard
              Firstvanguard 16 October 2015 11: 06 New
              +1
              С чего ради коалиционеры ("№;%:?*!) будут подставляться под ПВО САР? Чтоб сбросить оружие бабахам, летать над подконтрольными САР территориями не нужно hi
          2. Awaz
            Awaz 15 October 2015 20: 00 New
            +3
            ну эта тема прорабатывается . " Партнерам " делаются периодически предупреждения о том что вы летаете над Сирией не законно. Серьезных ПВО в Сирии не много и сосредоточены вероятно в районе Дамаска да там где наши вояки. Пустынные территории , где в основном и летают американцы ПВО не контролируются . По мере разрастания контролируемой территории , возможны варианты с установкой ПВО на границе с Турцией. Тут ведь даже и сбивать не надо . Засветка от станций ПВО , вынудит летчиков или облетать либо прекратить либо договариваться по доброму на перелеты контрлируемой Асадом территории.
            Well, and so far there is no sense in exacerbating the situation.
        4. Rus2012
          Rus2012 15 October 2015 13: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Younger, I
          Since their flights are not coordinated with Assad

          ...и более того - ВВС Сирии без всяких предупреждений может "валить чужих" в своем небе!
          To strengthen the Air Force can take on the service of internationalist pilots, and the aircraft from Russia and China ...
        5. andrew42
          andrew42 16 October 2015 13: 57 New
          +1
          It is high time. The legitimate government of Syria, represented by Assad, must demand that all but the aviation of Syria and Russia be cleared of Syrian airspace. In the ultimate order.
      2.  pistons
        pistons 15 October 2015 08: 40 New
        -1
        Do you want Russia to be drawn into a full-blown military conflict?
        What for? For what purpose? What will our boys die for?
        1. dali
          dali 15 October 2015 09: 41 New
          +8
          Quote: SSR
          Если "партнеры" начнут снабжать ПЗРК, то считаю у РФ полностью развязаны руки и вообще тогда вместо вертушек по объектам должны начать работать "Торнадо, Ураганы, Смерчи". И просто накрывать по площадям на которох выявлены террористы. В общем там можно целый список составить и обязательно надо будет помочь хуситам.


          Quote: pistons
          Do you want Russia to be drawn into a full-blown military conflict? Why? For what purpose? What will our boys die for?


          Firstly, piss tons, where did you see, in the proposal from SSR, the desire to get involved in a full-blown military conflict?

          Во вторых, разве Сирийцы не умеют стрелять из "Торнадо, Ураганы, Смерчи" или же очень сложно научить?

          В третьих, и снова про "Торнадо, Ураганы, Смерчи", а советники тоже наши парни и они уже сейчас там ... and for your information, our military must be able to fight, must gain real experience, and protect the interests of Russia, and preferably not in Russia ... Or do you think only mattresses can do it on the shoulder ?!

          pistons, you are not the case with an independent ... laughing so worried about our guys ...
          1.  pistons
            pistons 15 October 2015 10: 07 New
            -33
            I am from Russia, I have questions, 1. Dear, what are the fundamentally different actions of our aviation in Syria from Aviadarts? What is the point of studying in the absence of enemy air defense and electronic warfare equipment?
            2. How can they really help, in the event of a full-scale war, two squadrons of bombers and attack aircraft,
            3. What are the interests of Russia in Syria? Just do not need about an ally of Assad.
            And I advise you a young man to carefully study the history of the Afghan war, compare the forces of the parties, more carefully evaluate the resources used by the USSR .. and the results achieved
            and try to understand that the Russian operation in Syria is a big PR. From the point of view of the military. It matters little.
            Only the last sucker can believe that, with the support of three dozen aircraft, Assad will be able to defeat the ISIS terrorists, once again not regular units but roughly guerrilla guards.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 15 October 2015 10: 23 New
              29
              Quote: pistons
              1. Dear, what are the fundamentally different actions of our aviation in Syria from Aviadarts? What is the point of studying in the absence of enemy air defense and electronic warfare equipment?

              The enemy has air defense. And the receiver, and SAM.
              And there is a difference between targeting at a known training ground in peacetime and detecting, recognizing and attacking a target at an unknown theater until recently.
              Quote: pistons
              2. How can they really help, in the event of a full-scale war, two squadrons of bombers and attack aircraft,

              Вынос тыловой инфраструктуры (центры связи, склады, реммастерские) + БШУ по колоннам всяких там "тойот" в ближнем тылу.
              For us, Syria is a training ground for preparing crews for operations in combat conditions of low-intensity conflict (I would be surprised if the Defense Ministry does not organize crew rotation as well). And also - for testing new types of weapons, PRNK and other avionics. No wonder that the Su-34 was sent there.
              1.  pistons
                pistons 15 October 2015 12: 15 New
                -21

                Quote: Alexey RA
                The enemy has air defense. And the receiver, and SAM.
                And there is a difference between targeting at a known training ground in peacetime and detecting, recognizing and attacking a target at an unknown theater until recently.
                Fundamentally no, all the same actions can be performed on the territory of Russia, everything can be arranged even more complicated.
                As for air defense, maybe something is there, there is no opposition to our flyers, so it does not matter.
                But the rebels in the Donbass had MANPADS and they were not shy to use them, the result is known .. the complete absence of Ukrainian aviation in the sky over the Donbass.
                Quote: Alexey RA

                Вынос тыловой инфраструктуры (центры связи, склады, реммастерские) + БШУ по колоннам всяких там "тойот" в ближнем тылу.
                For us, Syria is a training ground for preparing crews for operations in combat conditions of low-intensity conflict (I would be surprised if the Defense Ministry does not organize crew rotation as well). And also - for testing new types of weapons, PRNK and other avionics. No wonder that the Su-34 was sent there.
                I repeat once again, in the form in which the operation is proceeding at the moment, its expediency from the point of view of training the crews is close to zero, there are no worthy goals, there is no opposition .. you can play shooting on the ground in Russia.
                Насчет выноса там чего то, есть официальные данные о числе боевиков ИГИЛ в Сирии"напоминаю это не регулярная армия" здесь нет штабов в привычном понимании, складами может быть любой сарай в любой деревне и есть официально приводимые данные о числе самолето вылетов нашей авиации..ну и попробуйте прикинуть есть ли смысл в происходящем...
                Everything will be decided on earth. If you decide at all .. In the Middle East there will always be some sort of ISIS.
              2. SERGOL
                SERGOL 16 October 2015 23: 45 New
                +1
                I fully agree that all (or their maximum number) VKS officers must go through Syria. Since no other preparation, in contrast to real hostilities, gives real results. Pilots will have new forms and methods of warfare, as they appeared in Afghanistan. The only thing that bothers is the perfection of our means of protection against MANPADS, which our partners soon or have already handed over to the Yildilds.
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad 15 October 2015 11: 38 New
              29
              what fundamentally different actions of our aviation in Syria from Aviadarts

              also like a woman from a rubber doll
              1. vladimirw
                vladimirw 15 October 2015 12: 38 New
                +9
                good answer to Piston. Man, apparently, has the same relation to the army as to the construction of the Great, supposedly Chinese, wall.
                E. Satanovsky, a great specialist in Bl. and every Arab east. And he had already spoken about the vile role of the Turks.
                He promised to show the recordings of his conversations with Y. Kedmi, until I met nowhere, maybe someone has info, kinte
                1.  pistons
                  pistons 15 October 2015 12: 52 New
                  -10
                  The answer is capacious, I realized a lot and realized my mistake wink
                  I do not bother .. forum cheers-patriotic, expecting another would be stupid.

                  Although, since you are a military man, you can probably clearly explain what the difference is?
                  1. jt_elven
                    jt_elven 16 October 2015 22: 39 New
                    0
                    nothing, would such an answer suit? and while it is necessary to use it
                2. OMSDON
                  OMSDON 16 October 2015 01: 00 New
                  +2
                  Solovyov promises to lay out in the coming days
            3. bayard
              bayard 15 October 2015 14: 23 New
              +5
              There are persistent rumors that the group in Syria will be strengthened, bringing to hundreds of sides ... There are also rumors about the upcoming participation of a large number of troops from Iran. Kurds, apparently, will also be well armed, bringing their number to 50 thousand ... but they upset about MANPADS - there is a greater threat to helicopters.
              1. veksha50
                veksha50 15 October 2015 18: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: bayard
                There are persistent rumors that the group in Syria will be strengthened, bringing to hundreds of sides.



                Yes, it’s not quite a rumor ... two or three days ago it appeared in the news that in the conversation between Putin and Shoigu even a figure flashed - 60 aircraft ... They only mentioned Kuz there, but today they say about Kuz that he’s not going to hike ...

                Here, probably, the problem is that for the first time insolently, on a little organ, they drove the planes out - after all, no one had expected such a thing ... And now all ears have pinned ...
            4. samara-58
              samara-58 15 October 2015 14: 57 New
              +1
              Look stupid !!! hi
            5. Oladushkin
              Oladushkin 16 October 2015 11: 58 New
              +1
              Only a person completely UNKNOWN OF HISTORY can claim that the USSR LOSED THE COMPANY in Afghanistan. The fact that the perestroika later spoke about this war on TVs is a price of zero. And you have heard enough of them. For your information, more people are dying per year on the roads of Russia in one year than in all the years of the military campaign in Afghanistan! Learn the story at last.
              And the military operation in Syria was supposed to begin even earlier, when it would be possible to solve the problem by less means.
            6. Crimson89
              Crimson89 17 October 2015 20: 54 New
              0
              1. Arms test 2. A full-scale war begins with sabotage 3. When the militants reach our borders, it will be too late to ask such questions!
          2. sa-ag
            sa-ag 15 October 2015 13: 35 New
            -9
            Quote: Dali
            and protect the interests of Russia

            Are you talking about Gazprom or something?
            1. dali
              dali 16 October 2015 15: 36 New
              +4
              Quote: sa-ag
              Are you talking about Gazprom or something?
              No matter what, how did Gazprom mention, there weren’t enough brains ?! laughing

              Yes, even the interests of Gazprom, everything is better than some British Petroleum or ExxonMobil ...
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          3. NordUral
            NordUral 15 October 2015 13: 46 New
            +6
            Now our pilots work in exactly the same way as the American ones - without counteracting aviation and air defense. The real thing is the battle with an equal enemy, but there is a great chance to burn out in the nuclear fire of the third world war. Therefore - wherever you throw, everywhere a wedge.
            I think that ours should work more actively with Assad to provide them with maximum concessions and an agreement with the Kurds. And actively crush all the moderate and immoderate throughout Syria. And ours needs to work with Iran to help Assad more actively.
            А с другой стороны наши должны объяснить саудам и прочим, что не стоит злить Россию. Да и "партнеру" Эрдогану неплохо бы объяснить, что закроем его "русский пляж" да и мало ли чего ему можно растолковать.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 15 October 2015 18: 37 New
              +4
              Quote: NordUral
              On the other hand, ours must explain to the Saudis and others that Russia should not be angered



              It’s difficult, my friend ... Today, again, bad news - large oil refineries in Western Europe are switching to Saudi oil, abandoning Russian ... The answer is cynical: dumping price ...

              And the Saudis could never be trusted ... And a month ago, they almost filled up with friends ... Yes, and helicopters, BMPs did pre-orders ... And they themselves cook their porridge ... And the worst enemies in our BV are the Saudis and Qatar ... I’m not talking about Turkey, there’s nothing to catch there either ...
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        3. veksha50
          veksha50 15 October 2015 10: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: pistons
          Do you want Russia to be drawn into a full-blown military conflict?



          Hmm ... nobody wants this ...

          However ... we are already drawn in, and are drawn further and further ... And you cannot go back down ...

          PS By the way, two or three days ago a question flashed about Putin’s conversation with Shoigu about the need to increase the air group in Syria by another 60 aircraft and the need to send Admiral Kuznetsov there ...

          However, in today's news it is said that Kuzya in the North is fulfilling the usual training tasks and there is no long trip for him ...
      3. Kostyar
        Kostyar 15 October 2015 08: 53 New
        10
        outrage over the passage of Russian missiles a few miles from the American drone

        American drones need to fly over Fashington, then Our missiles will not fly by !!! Till.....
        And Evgeny Satanovsky is a cool guy, always short and to the point!
        1. varov14
          varov14 15 October 2015 10: 18 New
          0
          Yes, a span of several miles is cool, well, they don’t know how to fly, then the plane nose to nose, it just doesn’t land on the hump, then the rocket will whistle for several miles.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 15 October 2015 09: 11 New
        10
        Quote: SSR
        Если "партнеры" начнут снабжать ПЗРК

        Уже поставляют.Транспортники амеров на днях 50 тонн оружия скинули "умеренным".В контейнере были и ПЗРК.Нашим летчикам следует быть осторожнее.А транспортники амеров сопровождать и бомбить места сброса груза.Работа для СУ-30.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 15 October 2015 10: 44 New
          +4
          Quote: NEXUS
          And transport amers to escort and bomb places of dumping. Work for the SU-30.



          Hmm ... For the second time in the morning (and every day, too) I ask myself the question: for what reason do the air pirates operating in Syrian airspace (and what else are they called ???) do not go astray by the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense ???

          No one called them ... No one endowed them with powers (I mean the UN) ... AND THEY rob with impunity in someone else's sky and over someone else's territory ...
        2. taram taramych
          taram taramych 15 October 2015 11: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: NEXUS
          In the container were MANPADS.
          Это радикально повысит градус конфликта и расширит его географию. Притом что ПЗРКа, одинаково лупит по всем ЛА, и по транспортникам US в том числе. Эта палка,о двух концах, и "мухобойки" из Сирии могут отработать в любой точке региона и за его пределами.
        3. nail1972
          nail1972 16 October 2015 11: 46 New
          0
          Where does this information come from ???
      5. tol100v
        tol100v 15 October 2015 09: 14 New
        +4
        Quote: SSR
        тогда вместо вертушек по объектам должны начать работать "Торнадо, Ураганы, Смерчи". И просто накрывать по площадям на которох выявлены террористы

        А с учетом угрозы для ВКС нужно будет проводить профилактическую превентивную операцию по уничтожению групп поставляющих вооружение "мирной оппозиции"!
      6. Aksakal_07
        Aksakal_07 15 October 2015 11: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: SSR (1)
        тогда вместо вертушек по объектам должны начать работать "Торнадо, Ураганы, Смерчи"

        Roman, how do you imagine the use of multiple launch rocket systems against the Ishilov fighters in the suburbs of Damascus, where tens of thousands of civilians live, and the distance between the units of the Syrian army and ISIS is only tens of meters?
        1. SSR
          SSR 15 October 2015 19: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: Aksakal_07
          Quote: SSR (1)
          тогда вместо вертушек по объектам должны начать работать "Торнадо, Ураганы, Смерчи"

          Roman, how do you imagine the use of multiple launch rocket systems against the Ishilov fighters in the suburbs of Damascus, where tens of thousands of civilians live, and the distance between the units of the Syrian army and ISIS is only tens of meters?

          Ну как показывают последнии виде и фото сводки, там где террористы - мирных не видно ( если террорюги заходят там где мирные жители то там максимально наземка) там где между подразделениями СА и игил "десятки" метров - там применять ближний но более точный " Солнцепек".
          PS
          To my great regret, peace among the victims cannot be avoided even if nothing is done. 2 for four years, where there is no secular rule of law, the residents have already suffered and suffer, and who can run !!! In the same Turkey and Europe. Even automatic weapons involve civilian casualties, intelligence and informants must work clearly on the ground, all the capabilities of wiretapping and data matching are available for Russian intelligence
          1. SSR
            SSR 15 October 2015 20: 12 New
            +1
            Civilians still continue to die, even when the army does not shoot. Terrorists simply shoot at passing cars and slam mortars around cities and the longer they drag, the more victims. During the Second World War, more than half of the dead of the USSR were civilians.
      7. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 15 October 2015 12: 31 New
        +1
        thanks to the author for chewing information ... yes, the words from the legendary film were recalled: East is a delicate matter ...
      8. NordUral
        NordUral 15 October 2015 13: 36 New
        +1
        The right idea is to work on areas. Only prudently, without victims of civilians.
      9. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 15 October 2015 15: 28 New
        +2
        I think it’s easier to cover several American aircraft from these MANPADS ... And deliveries will stop ...
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 16 October 2015 14: 08 New
          +1
          Great job for Syrian DRGs. And not only for the Syrian;) to recapture the state’s MANPADS from bandits, and shy away at the transporters of the fake American coalition - in the middle of the bandit territory.
      10. mitrich
        mitrich 17 October 2015 14: 18 New
        0
        I agree with the SSR, in response, it is necessary, together with Iran, to help the rebels with Yemen, not only MANPADS, but also more serious air defense systems. Stop lingering with these tricks, they have to answer for Afghanistan.
    2. Xanna
      Xanna 15 October 2015 07: 32 New
      -19
      It is very necessary to win before all this shushera unite and figure out what to do against the Russians. And Assad’s army, to be honest, is very slow. It might even really be easier to introduce ground forces and serious armored vehicles there - we would defeat this IG for 2 weeks, like a Georgian, until the rest of the world had time to come to its senses. And now it turns out that there are successes in the air operation, but it doesn’t work out to develop them just as well. We lost precious time when you could just come and gouge these natives from the IG!
      1. Good me
        Good me 15 October 2015 07: 49 New
        +3
        I realized that in a number of thoughts about the impossibility of MANPADS from terrorists in the SAR, I was mistaken that the United States was not alone, ISIS was alive ...

        If the information on the distribution of anti-aircraft defense means at ISIS is confirmed, then our pilots and our diplomats will have to sweat again ...
        1. just exp
          just exp 15 October 2015 09: 07 New
          +8
          it would be better to sweat foreign trade, if ATRAK and something like OsaAKM got into the response to the Hussites, it is not known what would happen to the Saudis.
        2. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 15 October 2015 15: 34 New
          +3
          ПЗРК все равно, чей летательный аппарат сбивать. Если полетят по нашим, то где вероятность, что не полетят и по американским? И как определить, "Стингер" летел или "Верба"? Тогда никто летать не будет.
        3. andrew42
          andrew42 16 October 2015 14: 11 New
          +1
          It will be too late for diplomats to sweat. How can diplomats influence IGs that have MANPADS in their hands? :) Only a military solution to the issue.
      2. Evil Kind
        Evil Kind 15 October 2015 10: 20 New
        +1
        You probably don’t really understand. In Georgia, you can say the state capitulated, and who will be here. It’s a very big difference to wage war with the state or with the people. I won the state, destroyed its structure if desired, but the people still remain and can continue to resist, especially when recharged from outside, like in Chechnya, for example, or in Vietnam. There are no states as such, but the war is on. The Georgians were not ready to resist (as usual, they’re worthless fighters in general), and why, for them the world community was (consider the West), you can agree, and so we would begin to roll out their infrastructure, and then restore it. Afghanistan, for example, cannot be conquered, but the state itself has repeatedly surrendered. But everything is relative, if at least some rules of war were not respected and Americans, for example, began to destroy all infrastructure, houses, residents (men, women,
    3. wild
      wild 15 October 2015 08: 59 New
      +1
      Satanovsky is certainly special but very pessimistic, it’s worth a lot to look at their dives with Bagdasarov.
      1. Ural resident
        Ural resident 15 October 2015 09: 52 New
        0
        When did Satan become a specialist? Like everyone else - sitting analyzes the situation in the press.
        1. OMSDON
          OMSDON 16 October 2015 01: 08 New
          0
          Not at all like that. According to Solovyov .. Satanovsky maintains an analytical center at his own expense, often performs work at no cost
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 16 October 2015 01: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: OMSDON
            Satanovsky maintains an analytical center at his own expense, often performs work at no cost


            Holy man.. wassat last name only let us down crying
    4. Asadullah
      Asadullah 15 October 2015 13: 09 New
      +2
      Confidence in the words of the author is very high, he is a strong specialist in this region.


      I agree. With all due respect to Eugene, but the old woman is a bungle ...

      All his combination with Qatar was undertaken to provide channels for material and technical assistance to the IG and pro-Turkish groups in Syria through the creation of a “buffer zone”. Capturing Racca destroys this scheme.


      Взятие Ракки курдами, сценарий фантастический. Ракка сегодня , сплошной укрепрайон. Штурм такового, без арты, без авиации, - самоубийство не очень организованной и слабовооруженной курдской общины, ибо армией её назвать нельзя. Второй момент, "комбинация" Эрдогана с Катаром весьма условна, ибо тогда надо говорить о комбинации СА с Катаром, где Турция исполнитель заказа, постоянно поднимающая цену своих услуг. Именно необязательность и капризность Эрдогана, повлекла за собой теракт намедни. Ему как бы дают понять, не будешь отрабатывать, ИГ запросто может начать работу в Турции. Последние телодвижения на сирийской границе, даже уже на территории Сирии, говорят о том, что сигнал он услышал. Но хватит ли ему духа идти дальше? Ибо в этом случае его возможность остаться у власти обусловлена лишь военным переворотом в Турции, где он становится диктатором.
    5. Yarhann
      Yarhann 15 October 2015 17: 58 New
      +2
      MANPADS Shilki and the like crap from the Syrian and rebels and the Nazis were and have what they think the Asadov planes and planes shot down the video in principle enough. It’s just that our headquarters went the right way, first we’ll demolish all the warehouses and bases so that the probability of surviving weapons and anti-aircraft equipment is minimal and then we already help the troops offensive with anti-aircraft and ground attack aircraft - although considering that as I look, anti-aircraft gunners are actively used against the ground and are not used attack aircraft, with the support of the troops, already at the very fire contact, are likely to be grumbled from MANPADS because they use airplanes.
    6. Sharapov
      Sharapov 16 October 2015 11: 01 New
      0
      Satanovsky, as a matter of fact, writes about the curators of the terrorists in Er Riyadh and Doha .... If there is intelligence information about this, it is time to declassify them and raise a question in the UN Security Council about tough measures against the Saudis and Qatar. (at the same time oil will rise in price). And so - it turns out we are fighting not with an ulcer, but with pus arising from it.
  2. smel
    smel 15 October 2015 05: 15 New
    +4
    Thank you ... A good article that poses many questions and gives quite intelligible answers. But unfortunately, the economic goals of supporting the so-called opposition from the United States, Turkey and Co. There is a very serious interest in oil and gas affairs. And if the Saudis, Kurds and their Iraqi and Afghan allies have serious political goals along with money, then the various opposition have only money and control over the territory that allows them to earn money. Political issues of the opposition are expressed only in the interests of their masters
    1. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 15 October 2015 09: 59 New
      0
      how much money can be laundered on illegal oil from Syria and Iraq!
  3. dsi
    dsi 15 October 2015 05: 16 New
    0
    East is a delicate matter...
  4. venaya
    venaya 15 October 2015 05: 19 New
    15
    The flow of terrorists into Syria is mainly through Turkey. ...
    Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the US are heading for large-scale
    stimulation of subversive activities in Syria
    Article +.
    For the first time an article appeared with such a complete description and complexity of the situation in the Middle East. Everything described requires more than one day of reflection. The inconsistency of the positions of the main players on this chessboard indicates the impossibility of an early resolution of the conflict, at least in the near future.
    1. Good me
      Good me 15 October 2015 08: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      Article +.
      For the first time an article appeared with such a complete description and complexity of the situation in the Middle East.

      well, SATANOVSKY, but ...
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 15 October 2015 11: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Good Me
        well, SATANOVSKY, but ...
        Он молодец, реально качественные статьи с подробным анализом, в отличие от того же Ищенко, который просто выходец из диванного спецназа, пролезший в "эксперты", как впрочем и ряд других подобных авторов. Сатановский же совсем на другом уровне - всегда приятно и интересно почитать, даже если иногда в чем то не согласен hi
  5. ydjin
    ydjin 15 October 2015 05: 44 New
    +4
    Article plus. Thanks to the author for an analytical review of the mechanism of the conflict in Syria! I think our leadership and GDP have something to answer in this chess game! good
  6. Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 15 October 2015 05: 45 New
    +1
    Надеюсь наши вертолеты уже оборудованы системой"Рычаг"
  7. sl22277
    sl22277 15 October 2015 06: 02 New
    +2
    Спасибо за статью,есть над чем поразмыслить.Не одними "стингерами" делается политика, есть и "Калибры".Как бы США не маскировали свои действия, их суть связанна с поддержкой ИГИЛ. Саудиты,Катар или Турки,ноги растут из Вашингтона.
  8. Yellow
    Yellow 15 October 2015 06: 17 New
    -30
    I don’t understand why we need such a small country like Syria. It is clear, after all, that the masters of all world evil are in the States. No need to swap over trifles, to bomb so the owners of all this terror scum. Transfer a couple of Airborne divisions to Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, closer, so that you can immediately deliver. There are several divisions of Topol and Mace. With nuclear, of course. It’s time to already burn all this pindosovsky!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 15 October 2015 06: 38 New
      +6
      Quote: Yellow
      No need to exchange for little things, to bomb so the owners of all this terror scum

      Well, well, that's right. Like Chapaev - a dashing swoop, once and for ladies. Will not work. Article +.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 15 October 2015 11: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: EvgNik
        Well, well, that's right. Like Chapaev - a dashing swoop, once and for ladies. Will not work.



        Do not get fooled by the troll ...
    2. Zumich
      Zumich 15 October 2015 08: 07 New
      +2
      Поддерживаю, США "мозг" голова терроризма, Лаборатория фашисской чумы, остальное словоблудие и ароматизаторы.
      Они откровенно грабят мир, Европа добросовестно выворачивает свои карманы, "берите, только не бейте", а Россия ответила "мужик ты увлекся, шел бы по добру по здорову".
      Ours in Syria are destroying the headquarters, command and control posts of igil, so maybe the wrong headquarters are destroying.
      America, not hiding behind itself, from all the stands speaks loudly that these are their children - Isis, Ustists and other bacilli, and our politicians (honor and praise for their endurance and professionalism) are trying to talk to them.
      What to talk about with a bandit, just to beat, and so that would not have risen.
    3. venaya
      venaya 15 October 2015 08: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Yellow
      I don’t understand why we need such a small country like Syria. It is clear, after all, that the masters of all world evil are in the States. ... It's time to burn all this pindosovsky already!

      The hosts ??? Yes, the owners are scattered all over the world, just everyone and everywhere is allowed to criticize only the United States, as a black boy, well, they live better, apparently they steal everything. This is a familiar distraction game, nothing new.
    4. Reducer
      Reducer 15 October 2015 08: 49 New
      0
      urgently to the clinic wink
    5. ivan bogomolov
      ivan bogomolov 15 October 2015 09: 59 New
      +1
      Before all this can be done, we need time to recreate technical superiority in our army, thank God that we always had everything in order with SPIRIT. And this is a very cunning and wise move of our GDP. soldier
  9. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 15 October 2015 06: 33 New
    +1
    And what about the President-S system ?! She stands by our age. devices in Syria?
  10. Russian
    Russian 15 October 2015 06: 34 New
    +7
    И "желтого" в рядовом составе одной из дивизий. Желательно на передовую, поближе к врагу. Чтобы успел нюхнуть перед вознесением.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 October 2015 06: 53 New
    +2
    Всегда с интересом слушаю и читаю Сатановского по Ближневосточной тематике. Как говорят "человек полностью в теме" и к его прогнозам и анализу стоит относиться серьезно. Конечно волнует вопрос о том, как и чем мы можем ответить на поставки ПЗРК ИГ? Летать выше, так это делается и сейчас. Опять высказывать на дипломатическом уровне свое "недоумение и озабоченность", так от этого, как показала практика, толку ни какого. Хочется верить, что у нас просчитан и такой ход событий.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 15 October 2015 11: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Is concerned about the question of how and with what we can respond to the supply of MANPADS?



      MANPADS uses personnel ... So, to drive and destroy this personnel ... There are Grad-Tornado-Tornadoes, Solntsepeki drove ...

      Aviation should be engaged in reconnaissance, as well as guidance of aviation and artillery to the smallest accumulations of these bandits ...
  12. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 15 October 2015 06: 54 New
    0
    It is not clear why the Turks are not afraid to spoil relations with Russia by arranging the delivery of MANPADS. Is there really nothing for us to answer to such a provocative step?
    1. andj61
      andj61 15 October 2015 08: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Michael m
      It is not clear why the Turks are not afraid to spoil relations with Russia by arranging the delivery of MANPADS. Is there really nothing for us to answer to such a provocative step?

      And what can we answer? Only by deliveries of the Peshmerge MANPADS - to the Kurdish militia - there will certainly not be Russian aircraft bombing them (they are being bombed by Turkish), and the president in his speech to the UN designated the Kurds as the only force in Syria, fighting Assad, other than Assad.
      Only the Americans need to think very carefully about the consequences of the transfer of MANPADS to militants - MANPADS also tend to get to those whom the United States has been bombing intensively for years. And when American planes begin to fall from American missiles, who will they blame for this?
      In short, the transfer of MANPADS to anyone in the region leads to a destabilization of the situation: it’s easier to negotiate. But the United States, on the eve of the elections, does not want to negotiate with Russia on equal terms, and the appearance of MANPADS in militants is more realistic than ever.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 15 October 2015 11: 07 New
        0
        Quote: andj61
        I speak, transfer of MANPADS to anyone in the region leads to a destabilization of the situation:



        А то она не дестабилизирована... Так что курдов нужно "насыщать", только не впрямую - от России, а через посредников...
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 15 October 2015 11: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail M
      It is not clear why the Turks are not afraid to spoil relations with Russia by arranging the delivery of MANPADS.


      Turks are much more terrified of the emergence of a new state - an independent Kurdistan, than relations with Russia ...

      P.S. В свете последних событий эти "отношения" и так дружбой и взаимовыгодой не блещут...
  13. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 15 October 2015 06: 58 New
    +4
    Stingers are already in Syria

    Статья хорошая по информативности в хитросплетениях интересов разных стран на территории Сирии. Но название статьи не соответствует её содержанию. Эдакий PR-ход, заманиловка. Каждому интересен вопрос поставки ПЗРК "умеренной оппозиции", но не каждый готов читать про политику. А тут нате тебе, пока прочтёшь про поставки ПЗРК в Сирию - и статья закончилась, и ты политически подкован.
  14. mamont5
    mamont5 15 October 2015 07: 22 New
    20
    Quote: svp67
    Confidence in the words of the author is very high, he is a strong specialist in this region. The information is pretty disturbing. But since they got down to business, we must bring it to the end, to our Victory. I really want to wish our pilots good luck in the battle, and that she would turn her back on their enemies.

    "Армагедоныч", как всегда, точен и ироничен, а слушать его вживую, это вообще...
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 15 October 2015 11: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: mamont5
      "Армагедоныч", как всегда, точен и ироничен, а слушать его вживую, это вообще.



      Well done ... Only positive emotions carries, even in a negative situation ...

      Хорошо сказал: "США уйдет из Уркаины тогда, когда гибель ее инструкторов будет такой-же, как во Вьетнаме"... И назвать инструкторов - инвалидами боевого фронта - здорово...

      But the fact that the United States for 5 billion tugriks gained efficiency that is thousands of times higher than the efficiency of Russia, which invested 230 billion tugriks in Urkaina (including various benefits and discounts) - this would not hurt to listen not only to Medvedev (to him - to no purpose) ...), but also to Putin ...
  15. bmv04636
    bmv04636 15 October 2015 07: 26 New
    +1
    As if after this, the planes in Yemen Iraq didn’t fall, well, and in Syria, and the VKS of the Russian Federation.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 15 October 2015 08: 26 New
      +1
      It’s too early to supply a willow, and you can put a needle to the Hussites.
  16. avia12005
    avia12005 15 October 2015 07: 31 New
    +6
    From the first lines it was clear that this is Satanovsky. All on the shelves, everything is available. And the conclusions are clear.
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  18. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 15 October 2015 08: 41 New
    0
    It is bad that part of the Syrians, like rats, fled to Europe, and did not defend their state from foreign hordes of invaders, as the Vietnamese did in the 60s.
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    2. win
      win 16 October 2015 11: 33 New
      +2
      part of the Syrians as rats ran to Europe

      These are not rats, but militants specifically directed to Europe. They showed them on TV. Many inflated and their trained movements ...
  19. Dynamic systems
    Dynamic systems 15 October 2015 08: 44 New
    0
    В случае подтверждения попадания ПЗПК отморозкам из ИГ, наверняка последуют "специальные" действия, экономические или иные действия, которые (100%) уже учтены.
    T.O. The Saudis and Qatar will not be very good. Do not forget about Yemen, part of which is friendly towards Russia.
    В случае минирования проливов Ираном и Йеменом, разрушения терминалов и инфраструктуры в С.Аравии и "стирания" Катара как географического объекта - цена нефти попрёт за 150-200.
  20. Gloomy Hedgehog
    Gloomy Hedgehog 15 October 2015 08: 53 New
    0
    One thing I don’t understand is why in all the videos shot where our turntables attack the Ishilov’s, their radio communication is heard (they also shot). Is it impossible to drown out all the radio communications? Means for this are, and why not?
  21. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 October 2015 09: 04 New
    +1
    Ну,если "Стингеры" уже в руках ИГИЛ,то не пора ли и Йеменцам "получить" чего нибудь "по -заковырестей" в подарок,ну скажем хотя бы несколько установок Бук (обставив при этом все как поставки с Украины)?!
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 15 October 2015 09: 34 New
      0
      I agree to all 100%! In addition, I remember, somewhere here, on the site, the info slipped that our military engineers made very cool protection against IR-guided missiles. She allegedly leads a rocket without the help of shooting traps. In my opinion, the time has come to use these developments, unless of course these were not regular show-offs of the Serdyukov era.
  22. air wolf
    air wolf 15 October 2015 09: 09 New
    0
    Well cho, turntables are now in the hangar and with rooks with 6 km in area, so that the landscape is smoother!
  23. kaschey
    kaschey 15 October 2015 09: 12 New
    -3
    Armagedonitch is of course a thermonuclear specialist in this field, but I am more inclined to think that everything in Russian foreign and domestic politics is done with the goal of extracting short-term profit, in line with the old saying (after me at least a flood). I’m afraid that the porridge brewed now and twenty years ago will be sacked by our children and grandchildren. Currently, the Middle East chaos is almost completely controlled by the states that seized the initiative from the union in the early nineties, it is impossible to achieve positive results in Russia in this region only by conducting air operations. I repeat once again the activity of ISIS, as well as the struggle against it on the ground, is tacitly controlled in one building through front countries, whether the leaders of Russia took this into account when starting the air operation, they need to be asked. But seriously, I don’t understand the enthusiasm of the Russians for their leadership, Russia didn’t achieve any global geopolitical successes, Anglo-Saxons overlaid on all sides (Baltic, Ukraine, chaos in the south), something is suspicious if undercover agents are controlling you, not those choose partners. I remember at one time they wanted to join NATO, well, that they entered ......
    1. anderles66
      anderles66 15 October 2015 10: 23 New
      +4
      Sorry, I do not agree with you.
      everything in Russian foreign and domestic politics is done with the aim of extracting momentary profits,
      I personally do not see this. A simple example - how many of our liberals predicted the collapse of the Russian Federation by the winter-spring of 2015? Did not take place. Syria - immediate benefits? This is despite the fact that this is the only country where the Russian military base remained, which until recently was difficult to call a base. Let me remind you that Russia (together with China) has consistently and successfully defended Syria from direct military intervention.
      I repeat once again the activity of ISIS, as well as the struggle against it on the ground, is tacitly controlled in one building through front countries, whether the leaders of Russia took this into account when starting the air operation, they need to be asked.
      Some open secret. Do you sincerely think that you opened your eyes to ISIS? And you sincerely think that the VKS was wrapped in Syria, flying to the southern regions just like that?
      But seriously, I don’t understand the enthusiasm of the Russians for their leadership, nor did Russia achieve any global geopolitical successes
      What is success for you? Well, start with simple success, not global. And I will not tell you about all the Russians, but about myself specifically. I have no enthusiasm. There is a feeling of deep satisfaction (as party bosses said in my youth). By the way, it was then that I was proud of my state. He was respected, feared, hated. I do not claim that everything was beautiful and fair. as now. But the fact was a fact, the mere mention of the fact that the USSR has an interest cooled many hotheads. In the 90s, I lived in a country about which my feet were wiped both inside and out. Now I live in another country and I like it. All.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 15 October 2015 12: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: anderles66
        I personally do not see this.

        This is not advertised
        Quote: anderles66
        I recall that Russia (together with China) has consistently and successfully defended Syria from direct military intervention.

        Attention is the question - why did she do this? Keep in mind that the current leadership style of the Russian Federation is pragmatism, it is very important.
        Quote: anderles66
        By the way, it was then that I was proud of my state. He was respected, feared, hated. I do not claim that everything was beautiful and fair. as now. But the fact was a fact, the mere mention of the fact that the USSR has an interest cooled many hotheads.

        The USSR had something to offer - the idea of ​​building a people's state
    2. Artyom
      Artyom 15 October 2015 21: 26 New
      0
      Russia did not achieve success, the Anglo-Saxons overlaid on all sides (Baltic states, Ukraine, chaos in the south)

      That's how it turns out dill and sprats-Anglo-Saxons! Which from all sides, overlaid Russia! What kind of imagination is it necessary to squeeze Russia to such a size? The author of the article, I suspect, either from the Baltic states, or Svidomo! There are such dreamers - a dime a dozen!
  24. kostavit
    kostavit 15 October 2015 09: 19 New
    +6
    Quote: Yellow
    I don’t understand why we need such a small country like Syria. It is clear, after all, that the masters of all world evil are in the States. No need to swap over trifles, to bomb so the owners of all this terror scum. Transfer a couple of Airborne divisions to Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, closer, so that you can immediately deliver. There are several divisions of Topol and Mace. With nuclear, of course. It’s time to already burn all this pindosovsky!

    If you don’t understand it yourself, then listen to State Duma deputy Semyon Baghdasarov: “It seems to many that Syria is a distant place. This is our land for us. It was from there that civilization came to us, if there weren’t Syria, there wouldn’t be ... Orthodoxy, and there wouldn’t be Russia. ”“ This is our land, ”the Russian politician summed up.
  25. Vladimir
    Vladimir 15 October 2015 09: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: MainBeam
    And then here you are, while you read about the delivery of MANPADS to Syria - and the article has ended, and you are politically savvy.

    True, although the article is informative and sensible, MANPADS are unlikely to change much the course of events in the Middle East conflict, but they can be damned if the militants really get them.
  26. ser-pov
    ser-pov 15 October 2015 09: 30 New
    +1
    For me, this is the way to make reciprocal statements - put MANPADS in Syria, then we deliver to Yemen ... Let the Saudis think about whether they need it.
  27. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 15 October 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Younger, I
    Then shoot down planes with turntables of Americans and Turks. Since their flights are not coordinated with Assad.

    I think that something similar has already been worked out in the plans for the future with the poor development of the situation with the supply of MANPADS to militants. To help the legitimate authorities create an air defense system and punish them if airspace is violated, which Westerners and their allies love to do. This is of course a bad version of events and no one will be better off. Warnings by all apparently received, not in vain to BB recently representatives on the carpet are often different!
  28. evil partisan
    evil partisan 15 October 2015 10: 02 New
    0
    Russian transport aircraft delivered the Cuban military special forces to Syria, to fight against terrorists on the side of Assad, helping Russia. Cuban chief of staff General Leopoldo Sintra Frias has just arrived in Syria, who will lead this military group to join forces with Russia in the fight against terrorists.

    Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/60461-plebiscit-boing-i-associaciya.html
    Politikus.ru

    Is it really true?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 15 October 2015 10: 08 New
      +3
      Given that Cuba, amid economic problems in Russia and Venezuela, has thrown itself into the arms of the United States, most likely lies
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 15 October 2015 11: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Russian transport aircraft delivered the Cuban military special forces to Syria, to fight against terrorists on the side of Assad, helping Russia.


      Is it really true?"...

      Hardly ... Raul is far from Fidel ... Russia is not the USSR, and Cuba has not been a vassal and friend for a long time ... Thank God that friendly relations have resumed ... Get involved in a second Angola - and which Cuba ( Raul) benefit ???

      Most likely - a newspaper duck with the goal of further straining the situation and once again blaming Russia for its aggressiveness ...
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 15 October 2015 12: 59 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        Hardly ... Raul is far from Fidel ... Russia is not the USSR, and Cuba has not been a vassal and friend for a long time ... Thank God that friendly relations have resumed ... Get involved in a second Angola - and which Cuba ( Raul) benefit ???

        And no debt :-)
  29. Ignatius
    Ignatius 15 October 2015 10: 09 New
    +3
    The article is a definite plus. A remarkable analysis of the situation and possible scenarios of its development from a geopolitical point of view is given. Eugene, we look forward to continuing on the results of the parliamentary elections in Turkey on November 1.
  30. kostavit
    kostavit 15 October 2015 10: 50 New
    -7
    Quote: svp67
    Confidence in the words of the author is very high, he is a strong specialist in this region. The information is pretty disturbing. But since they got down to business, we must bring it to the end, to our Victory.

    “The Kremlin leadership, through the mouths of its president and prime minister, has already announced that the war is not being waged for victory, but with the goal of creating conditions for negotiations. It was officially announced in advance that the same merchandise, the same freak circus that is now in Ukraine, will be reproduced in Syria. Most likely, this will end with the same vile fraud, as was the case in the Donbass. Syria, no longer help. Russia does not and will not have such means and desire. You can only prolong the agony of Assad. Let us recall the empty march to Pristina in 1999 - which led to the extermination of Kosovar Serbs in Russia by Kosovars, we recall Putin’s speech after the annexation of Crimea - which led to the genocide of the Russian population of Donbass and Eastern Ukraine ... Every time, most patriots were deceived, seeing new theater reception signs of a turn towards national politics. But the theater reception remained a theater reception, and the situation of Russia as a result of the next "decisive step" was only getting worse. Now many expect an increase in the authority of the Russian Federation in connection with the Syrian operation and say that this will somehow help solve the problem with Ukraine. There is no logical connection in this argument at all. Even an ideal case (a quick operation to pacify pro-Saudi groups with Assad’s quick surrender and a joint settlement with the West in the Middle East) does not bode well for Donbass. For the sake of the Minsk drain, Putin already provided the West no more than this summer, helping to close a deal with Iran and recently in Paris. Thus, whatever the outcome of the operation in Syria, the Donbass is only worse off: if Putin establishes cooperation with the West, the Donbass will surrender through the Minsk drain, if it intensifies the confrontation, the West will give the Bandera an offensive. However, with the same success, a state of “neither peace nor war” can be maintained, in which the Russian contingent in the Middle East will suffer permanent losses, Crimea will be bent from the blockade, the turmoil will begin in Central Asia, terrorist attacks will spread in Russia, and the Russian leadership still will be sure that he has everything under control ... "
  31. lopvlad
    lopvlad 15 October 2015 11: 56 New
    +3
    Stingers are already in Syria

    So what ?. The conditions change a little, but it’s not critical, since the stinger’s target height is 3.8 km and the SU-34 in Syria was initially bombed from a height of 5 km.
    In the same place where you can not soar (outside the city) from chiseled blows, you can go to the carpet bombing.
    As for helicopters, let the designers of the REB for helicopters which deflect MANPADS missiles test it in reality.
    As I watch videos on the combat use of helicopters in Syria, helicopters on them are constantly shooting thermal traps.

    The presence of MANPADS among terrorists is bad but not catastrophic.
  32. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 15 October 2015 12: 23 New
    0
    Isil must settle in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. These countries deserve nothing but disgust. Why so much oil to these donkeys? They would sit quietly and build the very-most buildings, so no, they need to screw up the whole world.
    Honestly, thoughts like come to mind: It is better to immediately drop nuclear bombs into this gadyushnik, so that the world becomes calmer.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 15 October 2015 13: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      : It is better to immediately drop nuclear bombs into this gadyushnik, so that the world becomes calmer.

      Well, you threw them away, Iran took control of the ownerless fields and went to the market with them, they also want to live well after the sanctions, other participants in the oil and gas market have tried to increase production to fill a niche in the market, there will be a short-term surge in prices, but then will roll back, for industrial consumer countries will not increase demand - there’s nothing, ISIS will not have anything in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, everything will continue with time, there will be new martyrs and new heroes, there will be revenge attacks, so what have you achieved?
  33. kostavit
    kostavit 15 October 2015 12: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Mama_Cholli
    Isil must settle in Qatar and Saudi Arabia. These countries deserve nothing but disgust. Why so much oil to these donkeys? They would sit quietly and build the very-most buildings, so no, they need to screw up the whole world.
    Honestly, thoughts like come to mind: It is better to immediately drop nuclear bombs into this gadyushnik, so that the world becomes calmer.

    And the answer will not come?
  34. kostavit
    kostavit 15 October 2015 13: 01 New
    0
    Quote: lopvlad
    Stingers are already in Syria

    So what ?. The conditions change a little, but it’s not critical, since the stinger’s target height is 3.8 km and the SU-34 in Syria was initially bombed from a height of 5 km.
    In the same place where you can not soar (outside the city) from chiseled blows, you can go to the carpet bombing.
    As for helicopters, let the designers of the REB for helicopters which deflect MANPADS missiles test it in reality.
    As I watch videos on the combat use of helicopters in Syria, helicopters on them are constantly shooting thermal traps.

    The presence of MANPADS among terrorists is bad but not catastrophic.

    In Afghanistan, we lost about 500 planes and helicopters for various reasons, including the MANPADS and DShK missiles. For some time I served in Kandahar and twice took part in rescuing the crews that were hit on take-off. Unfortunately, the fired squibs did not always help.
    1. lopvlad
      lopvlad 15 October 2015 14: 24 New
      +2
      In Afghanistan, we lost about 500 aircraft and helicopters for various reasons, including MANPADS and DShK

      in Afghanistan, Stinger was a kind of cat in a bag about the work of which we did not know no horseradish.

      Ни один ПЗРК (в том числе современный российский "Верба" ) ни ДШК не достанет российский самолет летящий на высоте 5км.

      As for take-off and landing, the airfield and approaches to it at a distance of the MANPADS need to be guarded and if not guarded then the militants and without MANPADS will send a bunch of planes and helicopters to the scrap.

      With helicopters, of course, it’s more difficult, but they can also be knocked down from the cold (which incidentally the militants have).
  35. wow
    wow 15 October 2015 13: 33 New
    +3
    Армия "украины" !? Какая на ...й армия!? Лицезрею представителей этой "армии" через день. Кодло перепитых мужиков в пятнистых штанах и амерских БУшных ботинках.
  36. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 15 October 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    Each stinger in a pair of swingers!
  37. Fight cat
    Fight cat 15 October 2015 14: 39 New
    +2
    Если Эр-Рияд взяо на себя финансирование боевиков и поставку им ПЗРК я думаю РФ с чистой совестью должна начать бомбить нефтеносные районы Саудовской Аравии. Крылатые ракеты "Калибр" как раз должны достигать по Саудовской Аравии! Желательно уничтожать Самые результативные нефтяные месторождения с новейшим оборудованием! А старые пусть работают! как намек, не зарывайтесь! soldier lol
  38. parafoiler
    parafoiler 15 October 2015 14: 41 New
    +1
    Evgeny Yanovich - Respect!
  39. Stas157
    Stas157 15 October 2015 14: 54 New
    +3
    Stingers are already in Syria

    In my opinion, this is not critical, western MANPADS hit up to 4 thousand meters, and at maximum altitudes they are not effective, and can only shoot down to sound targets. And ours bombed from heights of 5-8 thousand meters.
  40. Belarus
    Belarus 15 October 2015 15: 02 New
    +1
    If MANPADS are hit, or as already stated in the article, it is logical to assume where Russia can put its MANPADS or other weapons. I am sure that this issue has already been discussed at least by the leadership of the Russian Federation. A set of response measures has been worked out accordingly, but the only thing that is alarming so it is that the United States, through its vassals, spins the flywheel of war as much as possible.
    Lord, if you take away the mind from those whom you want to punish, then take from the terrorists and those who help them not only their souls but also their miserable lives.
  41. samara-58
    samara-58 15 October 2015 15: 09 New
    0
    Хм... Наверное скоро в Сирию приедут туристы с "запада" или "востока"... recourse
  42. ML-334
    ML-334 15 October 2015 15: 19 New
    +1
    It is not necessary to deliver our MANPADS, you need to squeeze the Stinger from the bearded and thereby strain the overs. It is possible to fill up or not to overwhelm the aircraft with the Stinger, but they will stop flying.
  43. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 15 October 2015 17: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: varov14
    It turns out that our own oil lobby pushed us to Syria, although they are all cool liberals and about Westerners.

    Получается что Вам наплевать на гибнущих людей,гибнущую страну и интересы России за рубежом,а скандальные известия об участии олигархов "приближенных к Путину",Вам оч-чень даже интересны???!Вы не конкурент часом?!Меня-таки тревожат поставки ПЗРК на Ближний Восток и в Сирию в частности.Спасибо Евгению Яновичу!
  44. Dima Čalevo
    Dima Čalevo 15 October 2015 17: 15 New
    +1
    Satanovsky is the best) And on talk shows and on the radio I often listen - his conversation style is excellent, and his sense of humor is in order)
  45. xin-l
    xin-l 15 October 2015 18: 02 New
    0
    I think before planning this operation, our leadership has already thought about MANPADS. This excuse the news from the expected, it frankly begs itself, which is called here and do not go to a fortuneteller. Recently I saw a report on Russia 24, they spoke about pilots who are taught to maneuver and evade MANPADS shots. Plus, I think technically this moment has already been worked out and a counterattack has been found on it. Do not think that now our leadership is in shock and thinks what to do. It is unlikely that they did not provide for this option as well.
    Satanovsky often pours water, Kedmi and Bagdasarov more specifically.
  46. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 15 October 2015 19: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: pistons
    Everything will be decided on earth.

    Of course, the result of hostilities is secured with a soldier’s boot. And our VKS do not so much learn how to conduct combat operations as they ensure the success of ground operations of the ATS. These are not training exercises, as you consider in your comments, but real military operations, and they are conducted in close cooperation with the ATS, which has been the reason for the success of the ATS recently. After 4 years of retreat and the loss of strategically important cities, the ATS army began to recover the lost. Without the help of Russia, it would hardly have been able to go on the offensive, and the coalition led by the SGA helped the bandits, not the SAR armed forces, and provided those with everything they needed. And the fall of Assad was a matter of time, but Russia came here (finally gathered their spirits and strength) and confused all the cards of the SGA, otherwise we would have to grumble already on our borders with the same scumbags. soldier
  47. Vladimir Petrov
    Vladimir Petrov 15 October 2015 21: 56 New
    0
    Stinger suppliers to level with the terrorists and destroy!
  48. BLOND
    BLOND 16 October 2015 05: 41 New
    +2
    [quote = pistons] I am from Russia, I have questions, 1. Dear what ...
    And we are not local people (I am from Donbass) and tolerance is not trained!

    I translate into Russian his quote:
    I’m a golem troll, but I’m kosh under smart ...
  49. ordinary
    ordinary 16 October 2015 08: 31 New
    0
    Quote: pistons
    I am from Russia, I have questions, 1. Dear, what are the fundamentally different actions of our aviation in Syria from Aviadarts? What is the point of studying in the absence of enemy air defense and electronic warfare equipment?
    2. How can they really help, in the event of a full-scale war, two squadrons of bombers and attack aircraft,
    3. What are the interests of Russia in Syria? Just do not need about an ally of Assad.
    And I advise you a young man to carefully study the history of the Afghan war, compare the forces of the parties, more carefully evaluate the resources used by the USSR .. and the results achieved
    and try to understand that the Russian operation in Syria is a big PR. From the point of view of the military. It matters little.
    Only the last sucker can believe that, with the support of three dozen aircraft, Assad will be able to defeat the ISIS terrorists, once again not regular units but roughly guerrilla guards.

    we can also assume that this same sucker is also not aware that there are units of the guards of the revolution ... and yes ... one aviation is not enough, but the ground part of the operation is not really our headache
  50. Navy7981
    Navy7981 16 October 2015 09: 27 New
    +1
    Надеюсь амерам скажут, что у нас тоже могут "украсть" сотню пзрк и куда они потом попадут? и где появятся? или проявятся?