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Syrian conflict as a “substitute” in domestic policy


Aviation Russia's operation in Syria is simultaneously a public relations campaign within Russia. The authorities want the same effect to be achieved as from the annexation of Crimea. However, military operations in Syria could turn into serious problems for the Russian authorities.

And if this action-operation had a code name, then it should be called “Crimea on the road”. Because the desired result is the same as from the annexation of the Peninsula to Russia: paramilitary mobilization of the Russian population and its consolidation around Vladimir Putin with maintaining the leader’s rating at a level not lower than 80 percent. In addition, the style of decision-making on Syria provokes the effect of deja vu - the same unanimous approval by the Federation Council of the sudden decision of the first person, as in the case of the annexation of the Crimea.

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In the eyes of the Russian audience, which has already stocked up with dark glasses and binoculars, as at an air show, the Russian president a) “made” Barack Obama; b) confirmed that the status of a great power is indeed restored, - Russia plays by its rules where it wants, and as it pleases, thousands of kilometers from its own borders and shouting, “Well, go away!”; c) thereby deserved the next presidential term.

The medium- and long-term consequences, such as an increase in military spending, which means a worsening of the crisis, damage to morals — the war is finally justified and morally acceptable, and no one is interested in increasing the risks of terrorist attacks and problems with a part of the Muslim population inside the country. Russia lives today. Show must go on. The pressure in the pipes of public opinion is to remain the same. Almost at any cost.

The Levada Center survey conducted by 18 – 21 of September, that is, before Putin’s speech at the UN, the meeting with Obama, and even more so before the beginning of the air operation, showed that Russian citizens were more likely to approve of Syria’s political and diplomatic assistance: This form of support for Bashar al-Assad. And if military-technical support was considered reasonable by 67 by the percentage of respondents, then only 43 was approved by direct military assistance.

Even the nature of the events in Syria was assessed by the Russian respondents to a greater extent as a civil war - so 46 percent of the respondents thought. And 32 percent supported the version according to which "terrorists, incited by the West, are waging a bloody struggle with the country's legitimate government." Only eight percent considered Assad a bloody tyrant.

It is clear that the air operation and even against the background of such a light-weight attitude of Russians towards the Assad figure and his regime mobilizes the population and the number of people approving of military intervention, especially if there really is no ground operation, will increase dramatically. But still, the Syrian war for the Russians will not be the same “native” as the Crimean or Donbass episodes.

Yes, this war is fair in the eyes of the post-Crimean majority, yes, it represents self-defense against terrorists, even if it is preventive. Yes, as long as she sees it as easy, with polite pilots, as the operation in the Crimea. But this war is a bit alien. And I really do not want a second Afghanistan.

For all the PR appeal for the domestic audience of the Syrian steps of the Russian authorities, this is a very dangerous game. In Afghanistan, the Soviet Union also entered gradually, in fact, like the United States in Vietnam, starting with weapons and advisers and ending with the hardest years of fighting in the jungle, desert, mountains (underline the necessary). And when the “narrow” Politburo decided to invade Afghanistan, this was also done at the request of, so to speak, the receiving party. History either forgotten, or Soviet clichés are reproduced by themselves in the framework of the “rut effect”, or analogies with the Soviet time are brought up from the past on purpose.

And if the Syrian war makes sacrifices? Shall we again cover the law of secrecy losses in peacetime?

In the Syrian PR project, another problem is sewn up: this cartridge can be shot ahead of time, because the elections are still far away. The authorities are accustomed to maintaining a very high degree of patriotic wave and excessively high ratings of trust and approval ratings. As soon as the effect of the Crimea and Donbass on the souls and brains of Russians began to fizzle out, Syria emerged as a sort of “Crimean substitute.”

Syria, of course, is a very successful manipulative pill in the sense that even nostalgia for the USSR, for “our bitch sons,” at the times when the country settled processes in the Arab world within the boundaries of its zone of influence and the range of “friendship peoples. "

But the action of this medicine, designed to divert attention from the economic crisis in the logic of “war instead of wages, pensions and jobs,” sooner or later, if not exhausted, will weaken. And then, instead of Syria, you will have to invent something new, equally symbolic, mobilizing and consolidating.

Since there will be no economic miracle, there is a high probability that a small, victorious high-latitude war will start for “our” shelf in the Arctic Ocean, for “our” Lomonosov Ridge in the Arctic. Or, in the Kremlin, they will be puzzled over something imitative, such as the struggle against “Albanian terrorists” in Barry Levinson’s famous film “Trickster”.

It is terrible to even think who the Russian aircraft will bomb when the Syrian effect comes to naught and the presidential election approaches. Syria would be very useful in 2018 year. But it was used in 2015, and now I’ll have to find another point on the map. Or another globe.
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  1. Balagan
    Balagan 14 October 2015 15: 01 New
    +5
    What to draw all at once with black paints? We'll see...
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 14 October 2015 15: 04 New
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      Author Andrey Kolesnikov
      Alias: B. Nadezhdin.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 14 October 2015 15: 20 New
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        Auto RU:
        b) confirmed that the status of a great power has indeed been restored - Russia plays according to its own rules wherever it wants, and as it wants

        I would say differently: Russia plays by human, fair rules! And not where he wants, and as he wants, but where the world requires it, justice and how humanity requires it!
        And by its own rules, wherever it wants and how it wants it is the USA!
        With respect!
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 15: 30 New
          -114
          Russia plays by human, fair rules! And not where he wants, and as he wants, but where the world requires it, justice and how humanity requires it!

          I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand to fit in with Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.
          1. gjv
            gjv 14 October 2015 15: 35 New
            +6
            Quote: Kalmar
            Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.

            And whom is easy? Except Russia.
          2. Siberian1965
            Siberian1965 14 October 2015 15: 45 New
            51
            80% территории в Сирии под сапогом "справедливости и порядка", там ходят в школы, счастливые парочки смотрят на звездное небо и читают друг другу стихи в прекрасной Пальмире. Сирийские войска и "диктатор" Ассад там до недавнего времени даже не появлялись. Вы не покушаетесь на святое, вы просто ид..т.
          3. Edvagan
            Edvagan 14 October 2015 15: 56 New
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            Assad may not be perfect. How not perfect was Saddam Hussein or Gaddafi. But after them, the collapse of the country, the fall of albeit undemocratic, but secular regimes, Islamic fundamentalism and extremism, cutting off heads and the power of a man with a gun. So, you also do not need to smear Assad with tar. The main bloodsuckers in the world are the Anglo-Saxons.
            1. Senior manager
              Senior manager 14 October 2015 20: 10 New
              10
              Во всех этих свержениях "диктаторов" почему-то забываются смерти простых граждан, счет идет, я полагаю, на сотни тысяч жизней разменянных на идеалы "демократии". А обсуждается - какой это ход, сильный или слабый,сколько процентов за то или за это,сколько осталось до выборов, извините - это запудривание мозгов. А следует посчитать- сколько уничтожено мирного населения во всех после ВМВ конфликтах, организованных американскими вояками и тогда станет понятно что делает ВВП наш Верховный.
            2. Shurik70
              Shurik70 14 October 2015 22: 41 New
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              The authorities want the same effect to be achieved as from the annexation of Crimea

              What nonsense.
              Russia wants her to have strong friends.
              And America wants it to have no strong enemies.
              It is not surprising that the goals for us and the Americans are directly opposite.
              А "власть хочет" - да ни фига не просчитаешь ни ты, ни Америка, что Путин хочет. Тут не голоса и деньги считать, а просто по совести думать надо. Тогда сразу стане всё понятно, что Путин хочет.
          4. Alekseev
            Alekseev 14 October 2015 16: 12 New
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            Quote: Kalmar
            Is peace, justice and humanity required to fit in with Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime.

            Heard already ...
            А какой "прижим" на Бл. Востоке лучше Асада?
            Are Saudis humane? Egyptian pre-trial witness?
            Ливийские "демократы"?
            The second, ISIS fights against Assad, the so-called moderate can not be found in the afternoon with fire. ISIS is better than Assad?
            Hamadril Obamka and his vassals are silent, instead of answering these elementary questions. And from their pseudo-bombing, ISIS only grew stronger ...
            Isn’t it better to defeat ISIS, and then organize order in Syria, and in Iraq, where it wasn’t destroyed and the Americans couldn’t (didn’t want to?) Create it?
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 16: 39 New
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              А какой "прижим" на Бл. Востоке лучше Асада?

              Yes, they are all about the same face. And what's the difference, what will the next dictator be called?

              The second, ISIS fights against Assad, the so-called moderate can not be found in the afternoon with fire.

              In general, many are fighting Assad. The main threat for him is the rebels, who are not connected with ISIS, three times more of which. The opinion was expressed that specifically with ISIS, Assad is not particularly struggling now, since there are more serious problems.

              ISIS is better than Assad?

              Do you believe it - do not care. ISIS wants to build its caliphate in the Middle East. Assad, you can say, has already built. What is it to us?

              Isn’t it better to defeat ISIS, and then organize order in Syria, and in Iraq

              Not better. It is better to first restore order in your own, and only then to treat this whole fraternity. Our country has more than enough of its problems; to get into strangers I do not see the slightest need.
              1. unsinkable
                unsinkable 14 October 2015 17: 45 New
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                Quote: Kalmar
                It is better to first restore order in your own, and only then to treat this whole fraternity.

                First of all, let me ask you a question: are you nonsense or arrogant (change the flag)? Secondly: it’s a no brainer that if we don’t put everyone who wants to dictate their conditions to Russia, then who will let us clean up our house (and we’ll have a mess how much, not you alone know about it). This is understandable not only to a hedgehog, but also to a goat. You are not clear.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 14 October 2015 18: 58 New
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                  Quote: unsinkable
                  First of all, let me ask you a question. Are you unhealthy or arrogant (change the flag)?
                  I’ve said a thousand times - don’t look at the flag. The flag is substituted by the site by ip, but it can be changed through a proxy.
                2. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 14 October 2015 21: 42 New
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                  First of all, let me ask you a question. Are you unhealthy or arrogant (change the flag)?

                  "Я здесь, я там, я всегда" (с)

                  it’s clear that if we don’t put everyone who wants to dictate their conditions to Russia, then who will let us put our own house in order

                  Типа, пока не наваляю кучке бомжей, рихтующих друг друга на улице, дома прибираться не буду, так что ли? Опять же, если "желающие диктовать" нам даже на собственной территории порядок наводить не дают, на что мы тогда способны вдали от дома? Глупости говорите.

                  And then, whom exactly does Russia put in place, bombing someone there in Syria? USA or what? Yes, they do not care, they are still rioting terror, since the stocks of bearded men in the region are more than solid.
                  1. Myth
                    Myth 15 October 2015 01: 40 New
                    +5
                    In my opinion you are just a horse
              2. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 14 October 2015 18: 53 New
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                Quote: Kalmar
                It’s better to put things in order first

                This phrase with his head betrays any liberoid getting involved in foreign policy issues with Russia.
              3. Hello
                Hello 14 October 2015 19: 03 New
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                Quote: Kalmar
                In general, many are fighting Assad. The main threat for him is the rebels, who are not connected with ISIS, three times more of which. The opinion was expressed that specifically with ISIS, Assad is not particularly struggling now, since there are more serious problems.

                I greet, with all due respect, the so-called moderates now two times and most of the participants have bearded bearded hares, some of them are fighting for Assad but much less than against him.
                Quote: Kalmar
                Do you believe it - do not care. ISIS wants to build its caliphate in the Middle East. Assad, you can say, has already built. What is it to us?

                Assad can be reproached in many ways, but he is not an ordinary dictator in the caliphate. In my opinion, the mistake of both America and the USSR alone wanted to build democracy, other socialism but dictators came out for some reason. It is not clear why the Americans did not understand that the Middle East is different from Europe
                Quote: Kalmar
                Not better. It is better to first restore order in your own, and only then to treat this whole fraternity. Our country has more than enough of its problems; to get into strangers I do not see the slightest need.

                Russia considers itself a great power to comply, but no competitors will eat
                1. iConst
                  iConst 14 October 2015 19: 22 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Hello
                  Assad can be reproached in many ways, but not in the caliphate, he is an ordinary dictator.
                  - Mlyn, and the Saudis, Qatar is better - well, rightly native democracy!

                  Асада виноватым сделали потому, что пeндocам сказал "нет".
                  This is not about his relationship with the Jews - then your graters.

                  The same Saddam Hussein was for the time being a molded friend of pendocs until he bucked.
                  And what - he changed the system that fell into disgrace in the United States?

                  How to warm - don’t tell my slippers ...
                  1. Hello
                    Hello 14 October 2015 19: 32 New
                    +3
                    Quote: iConst
                    Quote: Hello
                    Assad can be reproached in many ways, but not in the caliphate, he is an ordinary dictator.
                    - Mlyn, and the Saudis, Qatar is better - well, rightly native democracy!

                    Асада виноватым сделали потому, что пeндocам сказал "нет".
                    This is not about his relationship with the Jews - then your graters.

                    The same Saddam Hussein was for the time being a molded friend of pendocs until he bucked.
                    And what - he changed the system that fell into disgrace in the United States?

                    How to warm - don’t tell my slippers ...

                    So where I wrote that the Saudis and Qatar is a democracy is not a democracy at all I would even say close is not a democracy wink
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 14 October 2015 19: 45 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Hello
                      Taki where I wrote that the Saudis and Qatar is a democracy
                      - Taki between the lines: Assad dictator - that says it all - and his whole progressive humanity (with the Saudis and Qatar and moderate Al Qaeda, etc., together) deserves to be wet.

                      Or not?

                      I repeat once again: Israel can have its graters with Assad, but what the hell did pandocs with vassals have piled on?
                      I gave the answer above.
                      1. Hello
                        Hello 14 October 2015 19: 53 New
                        +3
                        Quote: iConst
                        - Taki between the lines: Assad dictator - that says it all - and his whole progressive humanity (with the Saudis and Qatar and moderate Al Qaeda, etc., together) deserves to be wet.

                        Or not?

                        I repeat once again: Israel can have its graters with Assad, but what the hell did pandocs with vassals have piled on?
                        I gave the answer above.

                        Apparently you will pervertly understand my comments I will try again. Neither Saudi nor Qatar nor Egypt nor Iran nor Syria are democracies. Bad or good for me is so violet, democracy is the same religious myth as communism in a single country. Progressive humanity is wetting the one he doesn’t like with dictator sauce, non-progressive mankind is still watering someone under a different sauce. Nothing new in this world. And yet yes Assad is a dictator, but I didn’t say whether it’s good or bad, whoever would come to power in Syria or in Egypt he would be a dictator, these are the realities of our region.
                      2. iConst
                        iConst 14 October 2015 20: 10 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Hello
                        Apparently you will pervertly understand my comments I will try again. Neither Saudi nor Qatar nor Egypt nor Iran nor Syria are democracies. Bad or good for me is so violet, democracy is the same religious myth as communism in a single country. Progressive humanity is wetting the one he doesn’t like with dictator sauce, non-progressive mankind is still watering someone under a different sauce. Nothing new in this world. And yet yes Assad is a dictator, but I didn’t say whether it’s good or bad, whoever would come to power in Syria or in Egypt he would be a dictator, these are the realities of our region.
                        - Really wrong. I apologize.

                        I’m already talking about democracy like a bull on a red rag.

                        And your judgments about such an entity as democracy are consonant with mine.

                        America will sooner or later substitute Israel. They substitute everyone - nothing personal, only business.
                      3. Otshelnik
                        Otshelnik 14 October 2015 21: 14 New
                        +5
                        But America, Israel and Europe DEMONAkrati, oh sorry, democrats. You and your DEMONodankrats have plowed the whole planet Earth, mankind has been pulled down. Assad is an excuse for you, if you hadn’t Assad, you would have found what kind of pillar in the desert was not right.
                      4. Hello
                        Hello 14 October 2015 22: 01 New
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                        Quote: Otshelnik
                        But America, Israel and Europe DEMONAkrati, oh sorry, democrats. You and your DEMONodankrats have plowed the whole planet Earth, mankind has been pulled down. Assad is an excuse for you, if you hadn’t Assad, you would have found what kind of pillar in the desert was not right.

                        What kind of democracy we have, by the way, we don’t have a constitution either. wink
                2. MaKeNa
                  MaKeNa 14 October 2015 20: 24 New
                  0
                  Так что ж их не бомбят "Томагавками"??? Не устанавливают демократию?
            2. MaKeNa
              MaKeNa 14 October 2015 20: 21 New
              -1
              Here a man lives side by side, and he knows better that Assad or the second Libya is better!
              1. Hello
                Hello 14 October 2015 22: 03 New
                -1
                Quote: MaKeNa
                Here a man lives side by side, and he knows better that Assad or the second Libya is better!

                I’ll tell you how, in spirit, specifically for Israel, the pro-Iranian Assad or the Islamic State is one and the same. If Assad looks in your mouth instead of Iran, we will be glad fellow
            3. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 21: 51 New
              -1
              I greet, with all due respect, the so-called moderates now two times and most of the participants have bearded bearded hares, some of them are fighting for Assad but much less than against him.

              Там замес вообще непростой. Есть Асад, который хочет Сирию обратно под контроль. Есть повстанцы, которые хотят его свергнуть, ибо задолбал. Есть ИГИЛ, который хочет устроить ИГ и которому на самого Асада, в сущности, наплевать. Есть курды, которые по схожей схеме хотят Курдистан. Есть просто разные террористические группы, которые отрабатывают бабло. Все вышеперечисленные стороны бодаются друг с другом: с кем-то больше, с кем-то меньше. Сводить всю эту возню к "Асад против ИГИЛ" - очень однобоко.

              In this, in my opinion, the mistake of both America and the USSR some wanted to build democracy, other socialism but for some reason dictators came out.

              I think the whole trick is that it was dictatorship that was built. For the USA and the USSR, the main thing was to gain control over a particular state. In a dictatorship, this is easiest: you hold the dictator for testicles, he holds the rest of the population for the same place. Under full-fledged democracy / socialism, maintaining its influence is much more difficult.

              Russia considers itself a great power to comply, but no competitors will eat

              I do not argue. But the ability to bomb someone there is not a sign of great power. Won the British in the 80s managed to pile up Argentina in half a globus, but no one considered Great Britain to be a great power.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 14 October 2015 21: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Kalmar
                Сводить всю эту возню к "Асад против ИГИЛ" - очень однобоко

                More precisely, Assad against the United States.
              2. Hello
                Hello 14 October 2015 22: 10 New
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                Quote: Kalmar
                Там замес вообще непростой. Есть Асад, который хочет Сирию обратно под контроль. Есть повстанцы, которые хотят его свергнуть, ибо задолбал. Есть ИГИЛ, который хочет устроить ИГ и которому на самого Асада, в сущности, наплевать. Есть курды, которые по схожей схеме хотят Курдистан. Есть просто разные террористические группы, которые отрабатывают бабло. Все вышеперечисленные стороны бодаются друг с другом: с кем-то больше, с кем-то меньше. Сводить всю эту возню к "Асад против ИГИЛ" - очень однобоко.

                I do not agree with the rebels (I mean separatists by the type of Kurds), there is absolutely no left, and if one of them joined the bearded hares, he sits so quietly, because there is only one head on her shoulders and she needs a thing. Different groups fight mostly similar with those who fought in the 90s in the Caucasus, they hate each other but Assad is more, there are still IG there, these guys have already drunk blood so much that they are completely independent. Well, the Qatar branches with the Saudis are already without them, and I forgot the pro-Turkish guys. same hare about Iranian. Ask what is the difference between them all? I assure you, without a magnifying glass, you won’t understand.
                Quote: Kalmar
                I think the whole trick is that it was dictatorship that was built. For the USA and the USSR, the main thing was to gain control over a particular state. In a dictatorship, this is easiest: you hold the dictator for testicles, he holds the rest of the population for the same place. Under full-fledged democracy / socialism, maintaining its influence is much more difficult.

                Here, perhaps I agree.
                Quote: Kalmar
                I do not argue. But the ability to bomb someone there is not a sign of great power. Won the British in the 80s managed to pile up Argentina in half a globus, but no one considered Great Britain to be a great power.

                It's not about the bombing, but about the ability to solve complex global issues.
          5. lopvlad
            lopvlad 14 October 2015 19: 05 New
            +5
            Quote: Kalmar
            Yes, they are all about the same face.


            on one face only US puppets in different countries of the world are capable of only licking the ass of their master.

            Quote: Kalmar
            Do you believe it - do not care. ISIS wants to build its caliphate in the Middle East. Assad, you can say, has already built. What is it to us?


            not true. ISIS wants to build a caliphate everywhere and where it does not build, destroy the infidels (you).
            ISIL cells in Pakistan are particularly strong now and are seeking access to a nuclear bomb.

            Quote: Kalmar
            It is better to first restore order in your own, and only then to treat this whole fraternity.


            It is useless to clean up your house and yard if your house has no doors and the plot is not fenced. Buffer strong friendly or neutral states around the country is the best fence around the country.
            We had enough al-Qaeda flags in Chechnya and especially the al-Qaeda flag in Moscow on Dubrovka.

            Quote: Kalmar
            Our country has more than enough of its problems; to get into strangers I do not see the slightest need.


            Europe apparently does not have its own problems once it has provided and is supporting the military coup in Kiev in 2014.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 21: 58 New
              -2
              not true. ISIS wants to build a caliphate everywhere and where it does not build, destroy the infidels (you).

              And the USSR wanted communism all over the world to take shape. And his Wishlist was much longer than that of ISIS. There are enough people who want to stir up their caliphate in this region, and so far they are more than successfully compensating each other.

              Buffer strong friendly or neutral states around the country is the best fence around the country.

              I agree, but what does Syria have to do with it? Did we suddenly start bordering her? Iran and Turkey have not yet been canceled, and, which is typical, they ISIS, just like any other riffraff, nafig is not needed.
          6. Alekseev
            Alekseev 14 October 2015 19: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Kalmar
            It is better to first restore order in your own, and only then to treat this whole fraternity. Our country has more than enough of its problems;

            Давно написано: "И это делайте, и того не забывайте".
            Problems cannot be divided into purely external and internal. Banderization of Ukraine - what is it?
            Так же и ближний Восток. Не помоги Асаду (завтра там может будет не Асад, а Мустафа, главное, чтобы это был нормальный Мустафа), во-первых окрепнут террористы, которые вполне могут развивать свою экспансию на Кавказ, во-вторых, нас, РФ, небудут считать дееспособным игроком на мировой арене. Завтра по команде из США нефть уже не за 50 долларов будут продавать, а за 20. Или за 10. И руки целовать американцам, что разрешают за 10, а то могут велеть и за 5. А"ещё в ООНе" голосовать за то, что это так сама Россия сделала, т.е., как скажет американский куратор.
            And so, sovereignty, and BRICS, and the economy together with the Customs Union, strangled by various kinds of sanctions, and the territorial integrity of our state will slowly be covered.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 04 New
              -1
              Banderization of Ukraine - what is it?

              This is what should be focused on, instead of all Syria. Syria is far away, and Ukraine is at hand.

              firstly, terrorists who can well develop their expansion into the Caucasus will gain strength

              Yeah, jumped over Iran and Turkey, and immediately to the Caucasus.

              secondly, we, the Russian Federation, will not be considered a capable player on the world stage

              And what do we have to do with it? Syria us what, a great ally? She was friends with us quite peculiarly even in Soviet times, and now there’s not much to do with us, except for a couple of half-abandoned MTO points (which now, however, have already been put in order).

              Tomorrow, on a command from the USA, oil will no longer be sold for $ 50, but for 20

              Such a probability, alas, is. But the humanitarian bombardment of some bearded men for the evil of the United States will not correct this situation.
              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 15 October 2015 18: 27 New
                0
                Quote: Kalmar
                Yeah, jumped over Iran and Turkey, and immediately to the Caucasus.

                They don’t need to jump, they will be thrown up. yes
          7. Proud.
            Proud. 14 October 2015 19: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Kalmar
            Yes, they are all about the same face. And what's the difference, what will the next dictator be called?

            Exactly. And Americans are not dictators? Aren't they dictates? How to live, what to watch, who to listen to?
            Quote: Kalmar
            In general, many are fighting Assad. The main threat for him is the rebels, who are not connected with ISIS, three times more of which. The opinion was expressed that specifically with ISIS, Assad is not particularly struggling now, since there are more serious problems.

            Whose opinion is that?
            Quote: Kalmar
            Do you believe it - do not care. ISIS wants to build its caliphate in the Middle East. Assad, you can say, has already built. What is it to us?

            Чё!?Какой "халифат построил" Асад?Сирия,при нём-Светское государство.
            Quote: Kalmar
            to get into strangers I do not see the slightest need.

            Это ваше,частное мнение.Интересно.Будете по улице идти,увидите как у бабули пенсию забирают,или женщину бьют,тоже в "чужие дела не полезете"?И обоснование найдёте?
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 06 New
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              Чё!?Какой "халифат построил" Асад?Сирия,при нём-Светское государство.

              Dictatorship and dictatorship. Without religious sauce, but the essence is similar. For us - no difference at all.

              Будете по улице идти,увидите как у бабули пенсию забирают,или женщину бьют,тоже в "чужие дела не полезете"?И обоснование найдёте?

              And here there is no grandmother, here a handful of gopniks grind each other's faces for the right to be considered center in the yard. Do you personally need such a showdown?
          8. Penzyac
            Penzyac 14 October 2015 20: 54 New
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            Quote: Kalmar
            А какой "прижим" на Бл. Востоке лучше Асада?

            Yes, they are all about the same face. And what's the difference, what will the next dictator call? ...

            And what do you care (for yours, one of the following, I will not quote, words)?
            Асад хотя-бы светский и более-менее вменяемый, сравните с лидерами ИГ, "аль-Кайеды" и т.д. Чем лучше тот же Обама? Он ведёт себя точно так же, как и многие "диктаторы", но только за пределами его страны. Кто дал ему такое право? Может Вы? Я так точно не давал!...
            Do not be the devil's advocate! ... am
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 15 October 2015 00: 33 New
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              Do not be the devil's advocate!

              A lawyer is justifying someone. And who am I justifying? Everything is black and white again: if I do not support the actions of our authorities, then I am for the United States, so what? Nonsense.
          9. Evgeniy-111
            Evgeniy-111 15 October 2015 12: 46 New
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            If Russia does not solve this problem, then the problem will solve (or solve) in our style all of us in the foreseeable future!
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 16: 39 New
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          А какой "прижим" на Бл. Востоке лучше Асада?

          Yes, they are all about the same face. And what's the difference, what will the next dictator be called?

          The second, ISIS fights against Assad, the so-called moderate can not be found in the afternoon with fire.

          In general, many are fighting Assad. The main threat for him is the rebels, who are not connected with ISIS, three times more of which. The opinion was expressed that specifically with ISIS, Assad is not particularly struggling now, since there are more serious problems.

          ISIS is better than Assad?

          Do you believe it - do not care. ISIS wants to build its caliphate in the Middle East. Assad, you can say, has already built. What is it to us?

          Isn’t it better to defeat ISIS, and then organize order in Syria, and in Iraq

          Not better. It is better to first restore order in your own, and only then to treat this whole fraternity. Our country has more than enough of its problems; to get into strangers I do not see the slightest need.
          1. anderles66
            anderles66 14 October 2015 17: 29 New
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            And what's the difference, what will the next dictator be called?
            Какие слова, вы, оказывается, знаете! "Диктатор" - надо же. У меня не было и нет кумиров на БВ, но почитайте на досуге про социальную политику, скажем, Каддафи. я бы от такого диктатора не отказался, чесслово.
            The main threat for him is the rebels
            Вообще прелестно. А что такое "повстанцы", простите? Т.е. банды вооруженных людей, захвативших не только города, а нефтяные вышки и трубопроводы это так, просто хорошие пацаны, иногда обедающие вырезанными у солдата противника сердцами? И чего это этих хороших пацанов спонсируют все, кому не лень и в основном государства весьма далёкие от демократии
            ISIS wants to build its caliphate in the Middle East. Assad, you can say, has already built.
            Расскажите про размеры "халифата Асада". Что вы вообще про "халифат" знаете? Границы халифата ИГИЛ (независимо от реальных их возможностей) - это минимально граница у Ростова-на-Дону и Астрахани. Это уничтоженные миллионы "неверных". И ладно, если в бою, а так - отрезание голов и сожжение заживо. Пофиг? Ну ладно, я не против.
            It’s better to put things in order first
            So hover. Or do not tryndit.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 12 New
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              Вообще прелестно. А что такое "повстанцы", простите? Т.е. банды вооруженных людей, захвативших не только города, а нефтяные вышки и трубопроводы это так, просто хорошие пацаны, иногда обедающие вырезанными у солдата противника сердцами? И чего это этих хороших пацанов спонсируют все, кому не лень и в основном государства весьма далёкие от демократии

              Did I say they are good? Just one of the parties to the conflict, also not distinguished by excessive humanism against the general background. I just said that for Assad these guys are a much more serious threat than ISIS: there are more of them in numbers and supply them on a much larger scale.

              The boundaries of the Islamic State Caliphate (regardless of their real capabilities) are the minimum border between Rostov-on-Don and Astrakhan.

              You should at least read the materiel. Their current goal is to recover approximately within the borders of the Ottoman caliphate, which is still very, very far from Astrakhan and Rostov-on-Don (we look at the map). And even within these boundaries FIG who will give it to take shape: the same Turks pile on the most do not indulge.
              1. Greyjojo
                Greyjojo 15 October 2015 00: 39 New
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                Quote: Kalmar
                You should at least read the materiel. Their current goal is to recover approximately within the borders of the Ottoman caliphate, which is still very, very far from Astrakhan and Rostov-on-Don (we look at the map). And even within these boundaries FIG who will give it to take shape: the same Turks pile on the most do not indulge.


                Well, in general, the Ottoman Empire included the territories of the entire North Caucasus, Greece, the Balkans, Crimea, the south of Ukraine and much more. and very close to Rostov-on-Don, which was laid precisely as an outpost against the Turks ...
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 15 October 2015 00: 41 New
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                  Well, in general, the Ottoman Empire included the territories of the entire North Caucasus, Greece, the Balkans, Crimea, the south of Ukraine and much more. and very close to Rostov-on-Don, which was laid precisely as an outpost against the Turks ...

                  I admit, I was wrong. So, as soon as Turkey and Iran enter the IG, we will have a real reason to strain :)
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 14 October 2015 18: 08 New
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            Quote: Kalmar
            Yes, they are all about the same face. And what's the difference, what will the next dictator be called?
            - judging by the wandering flags, you are cosmopolitan and, in the blink of an eye, move from small-britain to Germany. laughing
            Разница большая - это будет "наш" диктатор или западный. И то бы вы знали, государство само по себе - институт принуждения. Соответственно - любое государственное образование - уже диктатура по определению. И посему название "диктатор" - это просто для таких, как вы, скажем мягко, легко внушаемых, что бы получить общественную поддержку для свержения неугодного лидера. Скажем так, народ Голландии очень хотел бы наказать виновных в крушении рейса МН17, более того, народ голландский не и уже давно понял, что сбили сей самолет - укровоенные, "Алмаз-Антей" давно все убедительно все доказал. Но наказания НЕ ПОСЛЕДУЕТ - потому так неугодно США. И чем это не диктатура? Типичная диктатура в Голландии, народ не может призвать закон для справедливого возмездия - типичный признак диктатуры. Вы, судя по блуждающим флагам, в ЕС обретаетесь? А засилье ЛБГТ, несмотря на нежелание большинства называться родителем № 1 или № 2? Чем не насилие? Вот и займитесь своими бревнами в своих глазах, Башар Асад просто реально душечка по сравнению с тем, что творит неизвестное образование над населением Запада
      2. avg
        avg 14 October 2015 16: 30 New
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        ... only Bashar and his regime need it. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.

        Россия в Сирии отстаивает свои интересы и поддерживает законно избранного президента. СЩА и их подшакальники из НАТО, под избитые мантры о демократии, тупо сносят любое правительство если оно им не нравится, и при этом усердно поддерживают таких "человеколюбивых либералов", как Катар и Саудовская Аравия.
        Moreover, the Taliban - al-Qaeda - ISIS - in fact, their creation.
        As the saying goes, feel the difference.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 14 New
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          Russia in Syria defends its interests and supports the legally elected president

          So I ask: what kind of interests are these? If terrorists need to be clicked like that, it’s better to do it in Afghanistan so that drug trafficking can finally be crushed from there, there will be much more benefit. I do not see any other interests here.
          1. Hello
            Hello 14 October 2015 22: 32 New
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            Quote: Kalmar
            So I ask: what kind of interests are these? If terrorists need to be clicked like that, it’s better to do it in Afghanistan so that drug trafficking can finally be crushed from there, there will be much more benefit. I do not see any other interests here.

            About a bunch of respected interests. Firstly, the preservation of the Assad regime. As you know, Turkey’s natural counterbalance, in addition, it will greatly distract the attention of the monarchies of the gulf because they hate Assad for religious reasons. with world terror, it will undoubtedly raise Russia's reputation in the eyes of the world. Fourth, Iran I understand that I am branded for it, but nevertheless the sanctions have been lifted and the system of checks has fallen, luring Syria to its side will greatly reassure Iran in contradictions with Russia. In addition, do not forget that who is stronger in the Middle East is right, which means that neutral countries may well be more willing to make contact with Russia on security issues. This is my IMHO, so how can anyone really find out wink
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 15 October 2015 00: 11 New
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              Firstly, the preservation of the Assad regime. He, as you know, is the natural counterbalance of Turkey

              Given the current state of Syria, I strongly doubt that in the foreseeable future it will seriously counterbalance someone.

              Secondly, run in your army in combat conditions

              Wow, I don’t argue with that. Real flying experience will be very useful for our flyers, and it’s a long time to try new weapons in business.

              Thirdly, a suitable fight against world terror will undoubtedly raise Russia's reputation in the eyes of the world.

              Реноме - вопрос тонкий. Глаза мира - это всякие там CNN, BBC и подконтрольные им СМИ. Картинка в этих глазах может оказаться очень сильно искаженной. Уже сейчас она рисуется в таком ключе, что, мол, русские пришли типа террористов мочить, а вместо них бомбят "умеренных" борцунов за демократию и свободу.

              do not forget that in the Middle East, who is stronger is right, which means that neutral countries are more likely to make contact with Russia on security issues

              Well, I don’t presume to guess, it may come out this way and that. As I understand it, Assad is not particularly popular in the Middle East for religious reasons. So the effect may be reversed, but there is nothing left to do but live and see.
      3. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 14 October 2015 16: 40 New
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        Мы не вписались за Югославию и её бомбили и обстреливали снарядами из обеднённого урана, мы не вписались за Ирак... мы предали всех кто был рядом с нами, надеясь что мир станет лучше... а стал он лучше? Американцы бомбят Афганистан, разгромили Ирак, так и не найдя там химического оружия. За кого ещё не стоит вписываться ради пиndосов из-за океана? может отдать им свои территории под базы и потопить свой флот? Миру нужен мир, в котором америкакосы будут оглядываться на Россию..."Сейчас как даст сапогом по чирию на заднице!..." Но главное, чтобы страны боящиеся агрессии со стороны Америкакосов, знали, что они могут положиться на защиту от России.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 19 New
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          We did not fit into Yugoslavia and bombed it and fired shells from depleted uranium, we did not fit into Iraq

          If you recall the history, then Russia regularly fit into the states that make up Yugoslavia. And then they either set her up, or in another war fit into us. Why fit into Iraq - I can’t imagine.

          The world needs a world in which the Americans will look back at Russia ...

          I agree, amers need and should break off. But the indicative bombing of their tame beards is completely frivolous, a waste of resources.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 14 October 2015 22: 36 New
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            Quote: Kalmar
            But the indicative bombing of their tame beards

            Do you offer to bomb their military bases?
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 23: 43 New
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              Do you offer to bomb their military bases?

              Варианты помимо "бомбить" вообще не рассматриваем?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 15 October 2015 19: 01 New
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                Quote: Kalmar
                Варианты помимо "бомбить" вообще не рассматриваем?

                When dealing with bandits, one thing must be remembered - the only thing they understand is brute force and willingness to use this force.
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 15 October 2015 21: 43 New
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                  When dealing with bandits, one thing must be remembered - the only thing they understand is brute force and willingness to use this force.

                  Here was such a country before - the USSR. She had brute (and not very brute) strength for her eyes, and she was ready to use as much as she liked. But it did not help, and the USSR did not.
                  Brute force impresses the gopniks. The USA is not a street gopota, it is already gangsters of a higher flight, in which such a gopota runs in sixes. The ability to charge a nickel does not make much impression on them, here other approaches are needed.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 16 October 2015 06: 57 New
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                    Quote: Kalmar
                    But it did not help, and the USSR did not

                    Betrayal is a bit from another opera.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    The USA is not a street gopp, it is already gangsters of a higher flight

                    He is a bandit, and an external gloss does not change the essence. Ask the Libyans, Syrians and Yugoslavs.
                  2. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 16 October 2015 08: 25 New
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                    Betrayal is a bit from another opera.

                    Why? Betrayal from scratch does not arise; Recruiting a key figure and making playing in your interests is also quite a method for achieving geopolitical goals. As an alternative to the bombings so dearly beloved by all.

                    He is a bandit, and an external gloss does not change the essence.

                    I do not argue, but here it is not only in the external gloss, but also in resources and opportunities. The essence inside is the same, but the methods of working with such bandits are already needed.
                  3. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 16 October 2015 17: 49 New
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                    Quote: Kalmar
                    Why? Betrayal from scratch does not arise

                    Does not occur. Only these are questions from different areas - counterintelligence and the army are not the same thing.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    here are the methods of working with such bandits - they are already needed.

                    It depends on what. If they create armed terrorist armies, the only thing that can be done is to bomb them away from their borders. Other methods are the creation of BRICS, the Customs Union, etc., but in this situation they lie on a different plane.
                  4. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 18 October 2015 00: 01 New
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                    Does not occur. Only these are questions from different areas - counterintelligence and the army are not the same thing.

                    What does counterintelligence have to do with it? My message was: to recruit key figures in the ranks of the enemy and make them work in our interests, shaking the organization from the inside (as Gorbach shook the USSR). This is already the lot of intelligence (SVR, GRU and who else is responsible for this area).

                    I think (I hope), work is also being done in this direction, we just don’t know about it (and don’t know), because secrecy and all that.

                    If they create armed terrorist armies, the only thing that can be done is to bomb them away from their borders.

                    This approach means that we completely give the initiative into the hands of the enemy. And my trainer, I remember, taught that the one who takes the initiative almost always wins the fight.

                    In fact, there are many options. For example, create your own counter-army. In the case of Syria, you don’t even need to create anything: there are completely ready-made structures to the ass. Choose one or two and support them in the fight against pro-American competitors for some piece of desert. And let the terrorists, as mentioned earlier, spend each other.
                  5. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 18 October 2015 18: 16 New
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                    Quote: Kalmar
                    This is the lot of intelligence

                    I had in mind those who were supposed to oppose them in the USSR, that is, counterintelligence.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    work is also underway in this direction

                    In the US, the president is a puppet of the rich there, so it is unlikely to succeed.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    In the case of Syria, you don’t even need to create anything: there are completely ready-made structures to the ass.

                    The Syrian express runs from the very beginning of hostilities supporting the army.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    And let the terrorists, as mentioned earlier, spend each other

                    Not sure it's going to happen. All of these gangs were created under the control of the CIA and I doubt that interceptions are possible.
                  6. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 18 October 2015 22: 34 New
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                    In the US, the president is a puppet of the rich there, so it is unlikely to succeed.

                    Why do we need a president? Sergeants rule the world - and recruit them. In the sense, persons in charge of certain areas. His Poteyev or even the whole Serdyukov can be found.

                    The Syrian express runs from the very beginning of hostilities supporting the army.

                    Не похоже, чтобы это дало нужный результат. Да и не стоит ставить все на одного игрока, ибо "не клади все яйца в одну мошонку" и все такое.

                    All of these gangs were created under the control of the CIA and I doubt that interceptions are possible.

                    Created - perhaps. But someone cut funding, someone scored, someone himself from the main gang budded. And then, are our special services completely helpless against the CIA?
                  7. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 18 October 2015 22: 45 New
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                    Quote: Kalmar
                    Sergeants rule the world - and recruit them

                    Well, I believe that work in this direction is already underway. We clearly never know the details, but I dare to hope that in intelligence they do everything they can.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    And then, are our special services completely helpless against the CIA?

                    России нужно стабильное государство, а не бандитский конклав, а вся эта публика обычные ... и такими будут оставаться и дальше. Вот для США, которым чем больше хаоса и разрухи тем лучше, они "мерзавцы, но свои". Кроме Асада можно иметь дело разве что с курдами, но насколько я могу судить они и так союзники
                  8. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 19 October 2015 14: 52 New
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                    Russia needs a stable state, not a gangster conclave

                    At this particular moment in Russia, nothing is needed at all. And then, I don’t urge to endlessly pull the cat by the balls in the long box: when some gang finally manages to chew on the rest, just slam it and build stability and a power vertical there.
                  9. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 19 October 2015 19: 00 New
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                    Quote: Kalmar
                    At this particular moment in Russia, nothing is needed there at all.

                    Нужно недопустить разрастания этого "халифата" до наших границ. Иначе придется воевать с ними уже не только авиацией.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    when some gang finally manages to chew on the rest, just slam it and build stability and a power vertical there

                    How do you imagine this? Send in your troops?
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  • unsinkable
    unsinkable 14 October 2015 17: 23 New
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    Quote: Kalmar
    / humanity does not need it,

    Dear, what do you decide for the whole of humanity. Or you also consider yourself to be * exceptional *. Obviously you are from another world. Out of scanty, so you like the role of a provocateur.
  • Tujh
    Tujh 14 October 2015 17: 29 New
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    And what does the world / justice / humanity need? To create, nurture and incite gangs of thugs on Assad and his regime? Destroy it and simultaneously slaughter thousands of Christians, Alawites and representatives of other faiths? Do you want such peace / justice / humanity? But if you want him that way, then sooner or later he will come for you, but it will be too late ...
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 23 New
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      And what does the world / justice / humanity need? To create, nurture and incite gangs of thugs on Assad and his regime? Destroy it and simultaneously slaughter thousands of Christians, Alawites and representatives of other faiths?

      Т.е. пока на протяжении полувека алавиты при Асаде щемили тех же суннитов - это без проблем. И "Хезболла", которую он спонсировал - она ж тоже белая и пушистая на самом деле, просто под маской не видно. Спихивать таких замечательных людей - это очень несправедливо, ага.
  • mervino2007
    mervino2007 14 October 2015 17: 33 New
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    Quote: Kalmar
    justice and humanity demanded fit into Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime.

    Wipe the glasses. Did not help? Then both you and the author have the same rails. To liberalism. Assad’s help is fair, legal, and also beneficial to us. If this war will be long, then let’s talk about the losses in our economy, commensurate with the losses that could have occurred during the war on our territory.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 25 New
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      Assad’s help is fair, legal, and also beneficial to us.

      Profitable than?

      If this war will be long, then let’s talk about the losses in our economy, commensurate with the losses that could have occurred during the war on our territory.

      Недолгой она быть не может. "Ремон нельзя закончить, его можно только прекратить". Что до войны "на нашей территории" - смотрим глобус и считаем, за сколько времени сирийские головорезы прокопают туннель под Турцией до Кавказа.
      1. Greyjojo
        Greyjojo 15 October 2015 00: 33 New
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        Quote: Kalmar
        Profitable than?

        If you need a monetary gain - this is a great advertisement for weapons.
        If domestic political is a consolidation of a society (how to use a separate issue)
        Foreign policy - distraction of other states from Hohland. (superpower, etc. nonsense: in the economic and military plan of the Russian Federation - a regional power)

        Quote: Kalmar
        Недолгой она быть не может. "Ремон нельзя закончить, его можно только прекратить". Что до войны "на нашей территории" - смотрим глобус и считаем, за сколько времени сирийские головорезы прокопают туннель под Турцией до Кавказа.


        We do not live in the time of the Crusades.
        How did people from Afghanistan and Pakistan end up in Chechnya and Dagestan? the tunnel there needs to be digged even longer.

        PS: While the operation is going beautifully: public relations, the ground part is provided by the relatively combat-ready and adequate Syrian army (unlike Afghanistan, I remind you it all started with the overthrow of the legitimate governor by the forces of the USSR. There was almost no fighting capacity for your army). Let’s better draw an analogy with Vietnam, where the USSR limited itself to the supply of equipment, training and pilots, China (in this case, Iran) helped the troops - the result is a complete and brilliant victory.

        and do not confuse the caliphate and secular dictatorship - these are two very big differences.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 15 October 2015 00: 39 New
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          If you need a monetary gain - this is a great advertisement for weapons.

          Пожалуй. Хотя дальнобойные "Калибры" - все равно не для продажи. Ну хоть КАБы попиарим.

          If domestic political is a consolidation of a society (how to use a separate issue)
          Foreign policy - distraction of other states from Hohland. (superpower, etc. nonsense: in the economic and military plan of the Russian Federation - a regional power)

          It's funny, in an article that everyone here desperately criticizes, that’s what it says. It turns out that the point is not in the fight against terrorism, but simply in organizing the Little Victorious War?

          How did people from Afghanistan and Pakistan end up in Chechnya and Dagestan?

          A certain number of individuals will crawl through, I do not argue. But not whole divisions? Otherwise, it is necessary to fence the entire country with a blank fence at 30m, so that no one will crawl through.
          1. Greyjojo
            Greyjojo 16 October 2015 03: 34 New
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            Quote: Kalmar
            Пожалуй. Хотя дальнобойные "Калибры" - все равно не для продажи. Ну хоть КАБы попиарим.

            Экспортные калибры, КАБы, ракеты "Воздух-Поверхность" Су-34, Ми-24,28.
            Quote: Kalmar
            It's funny, in an article that everyone here desperately criticizes, that’s what it says. It turns out that the point is not in the fight against terrorism, but simply in organizing the Little Victorious War?

            Я бы сказал "борьба с терроризмом далеко не главная причина данной операции, впрочем как и вторжение амеров в Ирак и Афган".
  • Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 14 October 2015 18: 07 New
    +2
    Quote: Kalmar
    I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand to fit in with Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.

    And I will encroach on the sacred and ask ...
    Is peace, justice and humanity demanded to bomb Yugoslavia, destroy Libya, destroy Iraq, and feed the terrorists in Syria ????
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  • communication
    communication 14 October 2015 18: 19 New
    +4
    What are your claims to Assad? In America, blacks shoot with impunity and nothing, no one is indignant and does not call Obama a dictator. Assad did not run away and did not abandon the people. And he behaves like a real leader of the state. I do not know the facts in which Assad blame. Name and justify them, dear.
  • Homo
    Homo 14 October 2015 18: 22 New
    +3
    Quote: Kalmar
    The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime.

    You say this (when you find yourself there) to Milosevic, Gaddafi and Hussein. Or do you want the list to grow?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 October 2015 19: 04 New
    +2
    I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand recognition of the robber interests of the United States and its servants in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs the US rulers and their regime. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 32 New
      -3
      I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand recognition of the robber interests of the United States and its servants in Syria?

      Вот, про что и говорю. Не надо сюда вообще приплетать "мир, справедливость и человечество". Идет обычная борьба за власть в регионе; при этом в плане миролюбивости/справедливости/человечности все претенденты "на трон" друг друга стоят. Проза жизни...
  • Proud.
    Proud. 14 October 2015 19: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Kalmar
    , but did peace, justice and humanity require a fit

    Quote: Kalmar
    The world / justice / humanity does not need this,

    Эка вы высокопарно!МИР...СПРАВЕДЛИВОСТЬ...ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСТВО...Первое-не надо вещать за всех.Тухлая попытка.И лживая.Второе-МЫ(Россия),тоже Мир,и нам это надо.Насчёт Асада...Не надо сваливать на него то,в чём сложно "упрекнуть" амеров,англов,или скажем саудитов.У всех рыльце в п.... в жёсткой щетине.Получается,что вашему "Миру",как и "Миру" прочих,вообще ничего не надо.Кроме как жрать,спать,и с....ь.Безмозглые.Управляемые из вне.И пойдут они,как овцы на заклание,ничего не делая,только жуя и прочее.До тех пор,пока их не вырежут.Те же "несчастные беженцы".Ваше право.Ваш выбор.
  • lazy
    lazy 14 October 2015 19: 19 New
    0
    he has an English education, you can see (judging by the flag he raised him incorrectly), he apparently suited you before the age of 11, and why is the regime of the Yemeni president better that you calmly allow the Saudis and their allies from the Alkaide to bomb the moderate Hussite opposition? What's the difference, Carl?
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 14 October 2015 19: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Kalmar
    Which is too difficult to reproach for excessive peace, justice or humanity

    for sure! but the current Libyan authorities are all out of themselves overly peaceful, fair or human! Well, straight God's lambs!
  • free
    free 14 October 2015 19: 37 New
    0
    and where such awareness comes from, let me know?
  • MaKeNa
    MaKeNa 14 October 2015 20: 16 New
    +1
    And who do you want instead of Assad? Whom? Syrian Free Army is a bluff! Only ISIS remains! In your opinion, let ISIS, but not Assad ?! Then for whom are you fighting for?
  • Penzyac
    Penzyac 14 October 2015 20: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Kalmar
    Russia plays by human, fair rules! And not where he wants, and as he wants, but where the world requires it, justice and how humanity requires it!

    I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand to fit in with Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.

    Вы ещё скажите, что в этом можно упрекнуть его противников! Саддам Хуссейн тоже был "тираном" и что? После его уничтожения населению Ирака стало легче жить? Прямо, мир и процветание!... Хочется не цензурно!... Не нам и тем более не безродным америкашкам решать - кому и как править в той или иной стране, лишь бы эта власть была легитимной в глазах большинства населения страны и, главное, это не были бы агрессивные по отношению ко всем, кто не с ними средневековые дикари типа ИГ или фашисты вроде Гитлера!... am
  • pazuhinm
    pazuhinm 14 October 2015 23: 33 New
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    only your country can be suspected of excessive peace, justice or humanity ... This is undeniable.
  • Azitral
    Azitral 14 October 2015 23: 42 New
    +1
    Я считаю, что в случае мятежа президент, если он президент, должен его подавить. Если не получается по-другому, то с кровопролитием. Он - законно избран, а любые повстанцы - нет. Он не только может, но и должен предполагать, что они - ваши (США и СК) ставленники и будут большей бедой для народа, чем он. Вы его называете свирепым, кровавым тираном, потому что он по первому требованию не сдался вашим наймитам. Вы его называете нелегитимным, основываясь неизвестно - на чем, но его выбрали, а ваша "умеренная опозиция" не имеет никакой легитимности заведомо. Умеренная опозиция начала с террора, когда никаким ИГИЛ еще не пахло. Они такие же террористы, как ИГИЛ, только подлее. А вы - их покровители, что теперь уже окончательно ясно. Всякий, кто борется с ними, делает доброе дело.
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 15 October 2015 00: 21 New
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      ...ваши (США и СК) ставленники... вашим наймитам...ваша "умеренная опозиция"...А вы - их покровители...

      Oh, cool, it turns out that I personally brewed the Syrian butch :) Ai-ay-ay, how bad it turned out, I’ll go to recall my hirelings / opposition / proteges and others I don’t know anyone there, otherwise it’s just inconvenient somehow.

      You call him a fierce, bloody tyrant, because he did not surrender to your hirelings on demand

      Where did I reward him with the above epithets? An ordinary dictator, who kept his country in a state of martial law throughout his reign, for all who disagree. What did not give up - well done, although, if you think about it, what is his choice? In Syria, after the surrender, he is not a tenant, there is nowhere to run too much - they do not like him in the rest of the world, it did not work out somehow.

      The moderate opposition began with terror, when no ISIS had a smell

      In general, moderate opposition began with protests, the suppression of which were thrown by the military. And they didn’t stand on ceremony (after all, the military, not the police). Well, wrap it all up ...
  • Brewney
    Brewney 15 October 2015 00: 11 New
    0
    peace, justice and humanity demanded to fit in as Assad

    Is peace, justice, humanity in your USA or something?
    Russia with Turkey and the Caucasian republics has a visa-free regime in fact.
    The Turks with Isil and al-Nusra, in fact - too.
  • Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 15 October 2015 02: 01 New
    +2
    squid, go deep, don't shine
  • oracul
    oracul 15 October 2015 08: 06 New
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    And how do you know which world, which humanity did not sign for Assad? The world in which the golden calf ball rules? Who would doubt that! There is no need to speak for all of humanity, since its majority is for justice, which makes people equal in opportunities, living conditions, and does not turn it into a dumb cattle.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 15 October 2015 11: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Kalmar
    I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand to fit in with Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.


    And what did Assad personally do to you, that you hate him so much?

    вспоминаю сцену из фильма "Соучастник". Киллер убивает человека, таксист невольно помогающий ему под угрозой пистолета возмущается и вопрошает: Почему ты его убил? ты ведь его незнаешь?
    What the killer replies: Last year, the United States napalm burned several tens of thousands of people in Africa, did you know them? no! why don’t you worry about them, but for this man, yes?

    Here is the same. How many deaths did the United States and NATO army bring to Afghanistan, Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq, now arming the Syrian militants, do you feel sorry for these people, hundreds of thousands of refugees, all this thanks to the policies of the US and EU leaders, why don't you criticize them?
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 15 October 2015 11: 30 New
      -1
      And what did Assad personally do to you, that you hate him so much?

      Да с чего вы взяли, что я его ненавижу? Где я такое писал? Просто указал, что сей товарищ - далеко не такой розовый и пушистый, каким его пытаются выставить. В определенной степени - тоже пособник террористов ("Хезболла" же не просто так за него воюет). Я его не ненавижу, лично мне он вообще побоку (я ему, подозреваю, тоже).

      all this thanks to the policies of the leaders of the us and the eu, why don't you criticize them?

      We have a kakbe talk about Syria, what does the US and the EU have to do with it? These guys also have blood elbowed hands, so I don’t deny it.
  • KCA
    KCA 16 October 2015 04: 23 New
    0
    all progressive mankind requires Russia to be locked around the entire perimeter and divided, and Syria against this background may not be mentioned that there is some kind of the only foreign fleet base in Kamrani, it simply needs to be solemnly surrendered to am, along with all the personnel , equipment and ships, of which it is necessary to drive more to this base, and Assad in a democratic way (i.e., a crowd of stoned) to break, because nefig ...
  • 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok 16 October 2015 14: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Kalmar
    I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand to fit in with Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.

    first withdraw troops from northern Ireland, return freedom to it, and then maybe voting rights on this issue may appear ...
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  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 14 October 2015 15: 26 New
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    If this article had been printed on paper, I would have taken it to the toilet on the carnation.
    1. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 14 October 2015 15: 34 New
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      Quote: Stock Officer
      If this article had been printed on paper, I would have taken it to the toilet on the carnation.


      Alex, excuse me, take care of the seat, your body’s health is not worth this piece of paper soaked with poison liberalism! As Professor Preobrazhensky said, Into her stove! hi
    2. shasherin.pavel
      shasherin.pavel 14 October 2015 16: 48 New
      +3
      Не забывайте, что в типографской краске присутствует свинец, конечно в малых количествах... но свинец имеет свойство накапливаться при длительном применении, даже если через кожу заднего прохода. Потом будете спрашивать практолога : "От чего это у меня очко воспалилось?" "Не читайте в туалете плохую литературу, ею всегда хочется подтереться".
    3. Tujh
      Tujh 14 October 2015 17: 33 New
      +1
      Точно. Автор из серии "все пропало" при любом раскладе.
    4. saenara
      saenara 14 October 2015 17: 48 New
      +5
      On a carnation, it would be better to author
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 October 2015 15: 55 New
    0
    Alias: B. Nadezhdin
    to dishonestly, especially if you are Russian.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 14 October 2015 17: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Alias: B. Nadezhdin.


    That's for sure. His snout sticks around the corner.
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 14 October 2015 19: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Alias: B. Nadezhdin.

    The author, B. Nadezhdin, is fundamentally right)).
    Quote: From the article
    if this action-operation had a code name, then it should be called “Crimea on the road”.

    We also entered Crimea because of the direct threat of ISIS entry there.
    Quote: From the article
    Since there will be no economic miracle
    И здесь автор прав! "Экономического чуда" по падению цен на нефть - больше не будет. Всё труднее и труднее становиться сбывать и покупать ворованную у трёх нефтедобывающих стран нефть. Саудиты, Катар и Турция - скупщики краденного, США и Европа - недобросовестные покупатели. Под статьёй ходят!))
  • neri73-r
    neri73-r 14 October 2015 19: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: subbtin.725
    Author Andrey Kolesnikov
    Alias: B. Nadezhdin.



    Or Gozman! Ugh, God forgive me!
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 14 October 2015 21: 00 New
    +1
    Alias: B. Nadezhdin.


    I would give him another - Brad Gray Sewing
    1. Ladoga
      Ladoga 15 October 2015 03: 15 New
      +1
      No, there is one - Kolesnikov, on, “Echo,” struggles.
      They are all there of the same field, liberal, well-knit.
  • Dalnegorec1
    Dalnegorec1 14 October 2015 23: 11 New
    +1
    Alias: B. Nadezhdin.
    More precisely: Borya-Wikipedia.
  • Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 14 October 2015 15: 06 New
    +7
    Russia has a well-considered and balanced foreign policy, we would have the same domestic policy, economic policy ... Russia would have no equal.
    1. Vend
      Vend 14 October 2015 15: 15 New
      11
      whom will Russian aviation bomb when the Syrian effect wanes

      Author, calm down. Russian aviation will return home. And in Russia there will be another holiday, Day of Solidarity with the Syrian people. How do you live with such thoughts. So short and paranoia wink
      1. Balbesoid
        Balbesoid 14 October 2015 15: 30 New
        +4
        Why not for long ?! It seems already in full - with impurities of schizophrenia! wassat
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    3. Kalmar
      Kalmar 14 October 2015 15: 26 New
      -36
      Oh, the minus will fly ... So:

      Russia has a sound and balanced foreign policy

      Sorry, but in what is this expressed? I will describe my vision of the situation, correct if I am mistaken where:
      1. Russia is now on its knives with half the civilized world.
      2. Большая часть наших "союзников" - это всякая бесполезная лимита вроде той же Венесуэлы: пользы от них ноль, зато постоянно требуется им кредиты выдавать и прощать.
      3. Наша "продуманная и взвешенная политика" позволила основному противнику полностью забрать под свой контроль Грузию и Украину.
      4. В ЛДНР "продуманная и взвешенная политика" зашла в тупик: Кремль эти регионы поддерживает, однако официально даже их независимость не признает. В итоге имеем перманентную горячую точку у самых границ.
      5. Теперь зачем-то влезаем в Сирию, где кучка террористов увлеченно мочила друг друга. Какие при этом преследуются цели (кроме очевидного "других посмотреть, себя показать") - решительно неясно.

      PS And the request not to sculpt minuses thoughtlessly: if I'm wrong where, I will listen with interest to the arguments. Maybe it’s really really cool.
      1. Gur
        Gur 14 October 2015 15: 39 New
        +8
        In your opinion, it was necessary to continue the list so Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria --- insanity would then reach us
      2. Mikhail Krapivin
        Mikhail Krapivin 14 October 2015 15: 44 New
        13
        It was a deliberate minus, as you requested :)
      3. Vend
        Vend 14 October 2015 15: 55 New
        +7
        Quote: Kalmar
        Oh, the minus will fly ... So:

        Russia has a sound and balanced foreign policy

        Sorry, but in what is this expressed? I will describe my vision of the situation, correct if I am mistaken where:
        1. Russia is now on its knives with half the civilized world.
        2. Большая часть наших "союзников" - это всякая бесполезная лимита вроде той же Венесуэлы: пользы от них ноль, зато постоянно требуется им кредиты выдавать и прощать.
        3. Наша "продуманная и взвешенная политика" позволила основному противнику полностью забрать под свой контроль Грузию и Украину.
        4. В ЛДНР "продуманная и взвешенная политика" зашла в тупик: Кремль эти регионы поддерживает, однако официально даже их независимость не признает. В итоге имеем перманентную горячую точку у самых границ.
        5. Теперь зачем-то влезаем в Сирию, где кучка террористов увлеченно мочила друг друга. Какие при этом преследуются цели (кроме очевидного "других посмотреть, себя показать") - решительно неясно.

        PS And the request not to sculpt minuses thoughtlessly: if I'm wrong where, I will listen with interest to the arguments. Maybe it’s really really cool.

        Half the civilized world? Look at the map.
        And most of the EU do not require loans from the IMF? Just think of Greece and the Baltic states.
        When the post-Soviet republics chose their path, Russia rose after the chaos. It was possible, of course, to the detriment of their country to retain all the republics. Then we would get what the United States so desires, hotbeds of tension on the Russian border.
        And where does the situation with LDN come to a standstill? From the very beginning, Russia advocated a cessation of hostilities. They have stopped. And LDNR from the very beginning, made two demands on their government — federalization and the Russian language as the second state language. They were not going to leave Ukraine, like Crimea. Forgot about it?
        A bunch of terrorists drenched each other. You look at the map, what is the territory of ISIS before the entry of Russia into the war. And who did you call the president of Syria a terrorist?
        Dear you do not own the information. Minus mine
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 16: 18 New
          -28
          And most of the EU do not require loans from the IMF? Just think of Greece and the Baltic states.

          Um, so what?

          And where does the situation with LDN come to a standstill? From the very beginning, Russia advocated a cessation of hostilities. They have stopped.

          Вот прямо прекратились, ага. АТО во всю продолжается, обстановка там от мирной очень далека. И боевые действия начались не вокруг федерализации, а когда стал мутиться проект "Новороссия", впоследствии бездарно слитый.

          And who did you call the president of Syria a terrorist?

          Текущий режим неоднократно был уличен в нежной друже с "Хезболлой". Или это уже не террористы? Да и собственные методы работы с населением у сирийских властей весьма сомнительны: вспомнить хотя бы, как подавлялись бунты в 2011м, когда вооруженного восстания еще не было.

          I understand that I really want to see the picture in black and white: ours are white and good, theirs are black and bad. But it’s not so simple, not so.
          1. Vend
            Vend 14 October 2015 16: 38 New
            +8
            Quote: Kalmar


            I understand that I really want to see the picture in black and white: ours are white and good, theirs are black and bad. But it’s not so simple, not so.

            Не понимаете. Вы не адекватны сами себе. Отвечая вопросом на вопрос это по крайней мере некультурно. Союзники России просящие кредиты это мо вашему плохо, а члены ЕС в более худшем положении просящие кредиты это хорошо. США не только сотрудничали с террористами, они эти организации создавали, вспомните Афганистан. Ваше нежелание видеть действительность это ваше личное дело. "Каждый заблуждается в меру своих возможностей" laughing
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 37 New
              -2
              Allies of Russia asking for loans are bad for you, but EU members in a worse situation asking for loans are good.

              Bad both there and there. Everything is clear with the EU: the EU has contributed to the ruin of some of its members, now it is trying to put them in a debt hole. I don’t know why you decided that I saw something good here.

              С нашими "союзниками" беда такая: вложения должны приносить какой-то эффект. Если уж мы кого-то подкармливаем для дружеского к нам отношения, то хотелось бы знать: а реальная польза от этой дружбы есть?

              The United States not only collaborated with terrorists, they created these organizations, remember Afghanistan.

              I’m not talking about the United States at all, but specifically about the parties that are now trying to divide Syria among themselves, including Assad. With the United States, everything has long been clear.
          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 14 October 2015 16: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Kalmar
            Vend
            And most of the EU do not require loans from the IMF? Just think of Greece and the Baltic states.
            Kalmar
            Um, so what?

            Oh no, pay. laughing
            Текущий режим неоднократно был уличен в нежной друже с "Хезболлой". Или это уже не террористы? Да и собственные методы работы с населением у сирийских властей весьма сомнительны: вспомнить хотя бы, how riots were suppressed in 2011 when there was no armed uprising.

            Заметьте, именно бунты, а не мирные протесты. Лучше про подавление мирных протестов в "цивилизованных" странах расскажите, как людей в "оплоте демократии" - США расстреливают и Украину не забудьте.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 16: 42 New
              -13
              Notice the riots, not peaceful protests.

              And there could be no peaceful protests - since 1963, martial law has been operating in the country with all the consequences. Those wishing to peacefully protest pacifizdili preventively. In such conditions, rebellion is a matter of time.

              Better talk about the suppression of peaceful protests in civilized countries

              Yes, they don’t stand on ceremony there either, but they still don’t attract the army and manage without casualties.
              1. lazy
                lazy 14 October 2015 19: 27 New
                +4
                tell it in American Ferguson, and you are German or Brit, I don’t know how squids are, and cuttlefish have such a bag, with black liquid, which they stir up clean water, so you will
          3. Vyacheslav 64
            Vyacheslav 64 14 October 2015 19: 35 New
            +4
            Текущий режим неоднократно был уличен в нежной друже с "Хезболлой".
            Following your logic, the most terrorist regime is the United States, because they are tenderly friendly with almost all terrorist organizations in the world, with some not even hiding.
      4. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 14 October 2015 16: 00 New
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        with half the civilized world


        Мир, в котором узаконена педерастия и наркомания; в котором феминизм возведен в абсолют; где поощряется богохульная эфтаназия; где дети пишут жалобы на родителей и изымаются из семей по юмористическим поводам; где, говоря стовами Н.С.Хрушева, "педерасы" усыновляют нормальных детей и делают из них мутантов, я уж никак не могу признать цивилизованным. Никак. Мне такие друзья не нужны.

        I want to draw attention to the fact that Islam exists one and a half thousand years, Christianity - two thousand, and Judaism - more than three.

        These are the principles on which all world communities have been built for thousands of years.

        None of the world religions have Amer and Caucasoid values.

        Никто меня не убедит, что "цивилизованная" идеология, которой от силы лет 50, устоит против идеологии, которой тысячи лет. Я вообще не уверен, что педерастическое общество просуществует еще хотя бы полвека.

        Россия давно "на ножах" - из-за вора Ходорковского, из за плясок бешеных вагин в Храме, из-за запрета пропаганды педерастии, из-за разгона мракобесных болотников и закономерного посаживания оных и так далее. Это не вчера все произошло, и не в прошлом году.
        1. iConst
          iConst 14 October 2015 19: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Gormengast
          Gormenghast
          - Gormengast, well said!
      5. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 14 October 2015 16: 04 New
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        Dear, hmm, Kalmar, hmm! Come on those points:
        п.1- т.н. "цивилизованный мир" это наверное тот,который кидал атомные бомбы на Японию,выжигал напалмом Вьетнам,вместе с дядей гитлером,муссолини,франко,хорти и проч.шнягой истребил пол-европы и Африки и СССР? И с чего бы они вдруг стали не против России?
        p.2 - our allies are not at all smaller, but more than the pillars of the Yankes fans, the Baltic pugs, the Polish mongrels, Romanians, well, the crown of alliance is Kakly and Georgians, whom you grieve in p. 3, let them babysit themselves.
        p.4-state or republics should be born difficult and go through all the stages of formation, as if I would not like to speed up this process. We passed the methods of accelerated statehood in the USSR, when the Middle Asian republics accelerated from the slave system to socialism, the result is known. The child must grow up, you should not give it from the kindergarten immediately to the university, just because you love him.
        Clause 5 - terrorists in Syria having fun mutually mutually mutating each other and robbing everything on their land, will no less fun moving muttus to your territory, because they need to eat, rob and kill without interruption.

        And minus to you, for what, your opinion has a place to be and should be heard out ?! hi
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 16: 30 New
          -18
          п.1- т.н. "цивилизованный мир" это наверное тот,который кидал атомные бомбы на Японию,выжигал напалмом Вьетнам,вместе с дядей гитлером,муссолини,франко,хорти и проч.шнягой истребил пол-европы и Африки и СССР?

          What can I say - everyone has a stigma in the gun. Russia / the USSR also did not always showered with grace alone. Geopolitics is an extremely cynical and pragmatic thing, alas.

          p.2 - our allies are not at all smaller, but more than the pillars of the Yankees admirers, Baltic pugs, Polish mutts, Romanians

          I'm not talking about an Eastern European shusher (she's for extras), but about the west. We do not have a single ally that you can really rely on. Even with Belarus, even then relations develop over time.

          Clause 5 - terrorists in Syria having fun mutually mutually mutating each other and robbing everything on their land, will no less fun moving muttus to your territory, because they need to eat, rob and kill without interruption.

          Where such confidence? It feels like any self-respecting terrorist seeks to eventually run into Russia. ISIS stirs up its caliphate there, without encroaching on the territory of the Russian Federation. Kurds draw up their Kurdistan. The rest just get on both of them (and each other). Why should they climb to us? In fact, now the opposite process takes place: terrorists from all over the world (even from the Russian Federation, yeah) slide into this bioreactor for subsequent self-utilization.
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 14 October 2015 22: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Kalmar
            What can I say - everyone has a stigma in the gun. Russia / the USSR also did not always showered with grace alone. Geopolitics is an extremely cynical and pragmatic thing, alas.

            Cynical, yes.
            Please tell me if you agree with the following quote.
            В мае 1846 г. Джон Криттенден, выступая с речью перед конгрессом Соединенных Штатов, заявил: «Я надеюсь, что моя страна окажется правой; однако я буду стоять на ее стороне, права она или не права» (Stevenson's Book of Proverbs, Maxims and Familiar phrases. Selected and arranged by Burton Stevenson. London, 1949. P. 1758. Section 12)

            I agree! I agree 100%!
            Or will you, like those handshakes of general human beings, bleat that we all must repent forever ?!

            Quote: Kalmar
            I'm not talking about an Eastern European shusher (she's for extras), but about the west. We do not have a single ally that you can really rely on. Even with Belarus, even then relations develop over time.

            Apparently, you have to fill up with quotes
            Russia has no friends. They are afraid of our vastness. We have only two reliable friends: the Russian army and the Russian fleet!

            So do not let your Europeans care about the presence / absence of allies in Russia.

            Quote: Kalmar
            Where such confidence? It feels like any self-respecting terrorist seeks to eventually run into Russia. ISIS stirs up its caliphate there, without encroaching on the territory of the Russian Federation. Kurds draw up their Kurdistan. The rest just get on both of them (and each other). Why should they climb to us? In fact, now the opposite process takes place: terrorists from all over the world (even from the Russian Federation, yeah) slide into this bioreactor for subsequent self-utilization.

            Have you heard about the Caucasus Emirate, no? The one whose leaders are successfully disposed of almost annually. Also part of the IG is considered. Up to Rostov, sort of ... Or is it not Russia already, in your opinion?
            The enemy must be beaten in his house, and not wait when he comes to ours!

            PS You said something about Afghanistan there ... Google - 5-10 years ago, an American (!) Agency that conducted social polls conducted a social survey of the people of Afghanistan - when they had a better life. Most answered - with shuravi!
            Видимо причина просто была - люди вверили не только в "оккупацию", про которую им запад в уши пел. Люди тогда сражались с моджахедами - афганские люди! афганская армия - за больницы, образование, за афганского космонавта, в конце концов! Много этого демократизаторы ныне принесли в Ирак, Афганистан, Ливию, Сирию?
          2. Greyjojo
            Greyjojo 15 October 2015 00: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Kalmar
            I'm not talking about an Eastern European shusher (she's for extras), but about the west. We do not have a single ally that you can really rely on. Even with Belarus, even then relations develop over time.

            Here to the point. It’s really sad and they won’t be able to bomb them.

            Quote: Kalmar
            In fact, now the opposite process takes place: terrorists from all over the world (even from the Russian Federation, yeah) slide into this bioreactor for subsequent self-utilization.

            But here I do not agree, let’s recall Afghanistan after the departure of OKSVA. Before the arrival of the ovs, they grew well there, multiplied and crawled to where they found slack (Chechnya)
          3. Greyjojo
            Greyjojo 15 October 2015 00: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Kalmar
            I'm not talking about an Eastern European shusher (she's for extras), but about the west. We do not have a single ally that you can really rely on. Even with Belarus, even then relations develop over time.

            Here to the point. It’s really sad and they won’t be able to bomb them.

            Quote: Kalmar
            In fact, now the opposite process takes place: terrorists from all over the world (even from the Russian Federation, yeah) slide into this bioreactor for subsequent self-utilization.

            But here I do not agree, let’s recall Afghanistan after the departure of OKSVA. Before the arrival of the ovs, they grew well there, multiplied and crawled to where they found slack (Chechnya)
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      6. Samurai3X
        Samurai3X 14 October 2015 16: 05 New
        +7
        It's as simple as 2 finger on asphalt.
        Through Syria they wanted to lay a pipe from the Middle East. The pipe, due to certain conditions, was supposed to go only through Syria. This affects the interests of Gazprom, and therefore the interests of the Russian Federation. Bashar al-Assad and the entire dynasty have not historically digested the west and, in opposition to other BV + countries, he has certain warm relations with Moscow. He was asked and he did what was necessary. Did not even consider the pipe agreement. Because of this suddenly a clogged and wretched opposition in Syria has weapons instructors, etc. Now the US openly says that it is arming the opposition. Then the opposition in the Middle East once again goes into radical Islam. It is already impossible to distinguish the opposition from radical Islamists.
        Moreover, the residents of the Russian Federation, Tajikistan, etc., even Europe, who were fucked up on their heads, went there to carry their interpretation of Islam to the masses with the help of Kalashnikovs, RPGs, etc.
        In order to secure their gas supplies, to protect the population from future explosive citizens, it was decided to water everyone there while all the biomass is still there. Moderate, immoderate opposition - everyone decided to wet. The US wants only to partially deceive the radical, and leave the opposition to continue to spoil Assad.
        PS Сколько бы "цивилизованные страны" не приходили в нецивилизованные, население в этих нецивилизованных always is declining. There is no right or not. There is a clash of interests. As always, this happened. Religion, resources, ideology, wealth, prestige, power ambitions - all the same eggs, only in profile.
      7. Leks69Rus
        Leks69Rus 14 October 2015 16: 10 New
        +7
        Perhaps you are wrong, and not right, because in spite of all the ruses of the West after the collapse of the USSR about universal peace and respect, about democracy and the rejection of weapons and force as pressure, everything remained as it was. A country that does not have a strong and independent army will never play an important role in the world. What is the use of Japan is the third economy in the world but they have no eggs. They were cut off in the 3th and now they, as a eunuch, are satisfied with their position. And if Russia had not intervened in Ukraine, it would have sailed west anyway. All the same, Russian blvli would be to blame. What is only a company of Western media against Putin before the Olympics. Having essentially nothing against him, they sucked out of the finger about the gays of the gays, and they so propelled that Putin was already a villain to the Crimea. When the gopnik has gotten to the bottom of you, he will get to the bottom anyway.
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      9. iConst
        iConst 14 October 2015 16: 23 New
        15
        Quote: Kalmar
        Oh, they’ll fly ...
        - And rightly so.
        Quote: Kalmar
        I will describe my vision of the situation, correct if I am mistaken where:
        1. Russia is now on its knives with half the civilized world.
        - This is your crazy fantasy.
        I explain: Russia is now with no one on knives, not on forks, or on anything else.
        Есть один "исключительный гегемон" который сильно недоволен, что Россия его на три буквы посылает, вот и всё. Все остальные - жалкие прихлебатели, которые от раза к разу проговариваются насчет того, как им яйца выкручивали по поводу антироссийских действий.

        So, you are either a provocateur-troll or an ignoramus. Further discussion is pointless.

        Доб.: Допоясню на всякий случай "на пальцах": если я иду по улице и какая-то дворняга начинает на меня брехать - я, что на "ножах" с этой шавкой? Самому-то не смешно, философ вы наш... smile
        1. unsinkable
          unsinkable 14 October 2015 19: 39 New
          +2
          hi I’m silent about the flag, because I see that you are from normal members of the forum, and because I liked your comment. It’s simple and intelligible. I’ll add that the USA is a powerful state, you won’t take it away and all their hangers-on understand that if it weren’t for the Americans , we (i.e. Russia) would break them like a Tuzik heating pad. Even half the world.
      10. NyeMoNik70
        NyeMoNik70 14 October 2015 16: 28 New
        +3
        1. Вместо "...Россия..." вставляете США.
        2. ... useless limit ... insert Germany.
        3. Да. Отданы в нагрузку. И наша продуманная и взвешенная политика "позволила основному противнику НЕполностью забрать под свой контроль Грузию и Украину." Мы изъяли из "тел" жизненно важные органы.
        4. We have a structure as a fulcrum and at any right moment we will turn Ukraine, their hands (LDNR).
        5. Syria is only part of the plan. The Internet is jammed with analytes. You will find it yourself. yes
      11. AndreyS
        AndreyS 14 October 2015 16: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Kalmar
        Oh, the minus will fly ... So:

        Well, they’ll fly right.
        Quote: Kalmar
        3. Наша "продуманная и взвешенная политика" позволила основному противнику полностью забрать под свой контроль Грузию и Украину.

        Даже этот Ваш перл комментировать бесполезно, но попробую разъяснить, вернее задать Вам простые вопросы: А что должна была сделать Россия в этих республиках,как америка какую нибудь революцию?! Или вбухивать туда кучу бабла отрывая у своих граждан и кормя там всяких иждивенцев?! И так народ в России недоволен, что мы хамящим нам "братским" народам по дешёвке газ продаём. По мне я бы всем русофобам перекрыл вентиль, до полного понимания, что низзя кусать руку кормящего (хотя санкции это контр продуктивно).
        А уж про правильность политики в Сирии говорит факт задержания в Москве боевиков при подготовке терракта (которые приехали в Россию до начала нашей операции). И не делайте вид наивной якутской девочки, Вы действительно считаете, что всякие разные там группировки оставили бы Россию в покое?! Советую Вам взглянуть на карту будущего халифата игил (о нём они начали говорить ещё в прошлом году), там и "кусочек" России отрисован. Надо было подождать войны на своих границах или внутри страны?! У нас мало КТО в СКР проходит.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 16: 49 New
          -12
          And what should Russia have done in these republics, like some kind of revolution in America ?!

          To answer these questions, we have a whole ministry - the Foreign Ministry is called. But it’s obvious that you just had to sit and watch how the enemy approaches the borders.

          Or to push a bunch of dough there, tearing it off from its citizens and feeding any dependents there ?!

          Рассказать, на какие суммы Россия прощает кредиты всяким "союзникам" ежегодно, или сами нагуглите?

          I would shut off the valve to all Russophobes

          Собственно, вся "взвешенная и продуманная" политика в отношении Украины к этому и свелась: чуть что - крутим вентиль.

          Do you really think that all sorts of different groups there would leave Russia alone ?!

          Already wrote above - every self-respecting terrorist must certainly smash into Russia, yeah. And if somewhere to iron something with bombs - then no need, yeah. Well, it's stupid. It makes no sense to fight terrorism like that.
          1. AndreyS
            AndreyS 14 October 2015 18: 06 New
            +4
            Quote: Kalmar
            Собственно, вся "взвешенная и продуманная" политика в отношении Украины к этому и свелась: чуть что - крутим вентиль

            Here it becomes interesting! And when did they spin the screw then ?!
            Не несите чепухи уважаемый Вы наш "хамелеончик" (то с англицким флагом, то тевтонским на сайте присутствуете, а что истинное лицо боязно показывать?!).
            Quote: Kalmar
            Рассказать, на какие суммы Россия прощает кредиты всяким "союзникам" ежегодно, или сами нагуглите?

            Well, who's stopping you from posting a link here ?!
            Quote: Kalmar
            Well, it's stupid. It makes no sense to fight terrorism like that.

            А вот тут становится совсем интересно! И как по Вашему стоит бороться с терроризмом?! Поделитесь пожалуйста с нами рецептиком пожалуйста! А то руководство страны какими то "глупостями" занимается!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 47 New
              -2
              And when did they spin the screw then ?!

              Well, let's say, in 2006. On Wikipedia, an entire article about all these things is, if that.

              Well, who's stopping you from posting a link here ?!

              Let's say this: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/economy/49297.html

              And how do you think it is worth fighting terrorism ?!

              Like with cockroaches. You can clap a slipper one at a time - there won’t be any sense. You can deprive the food supply - and they will disappear. While terrorists are regularly funded, they will not go anywhere, no matter how many bombs they have.

              А то руководство страны какими то "глупостями" занимается

              The country's leadership in Syria pursues some other goals. The fight against terrorism - this is so, between things.
              1. Balbesoid
                Balbesoid 15 October 2015 01: 35 New
                +1
                A person using Wikipedia data ?! belay No, this is definitely not a man!
              2. AndreyS
                AndreyS 15 October 2015 09: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Kalmar
                You can deprive the food supply - and they will disappear. While terrorists are regularly funded, they will not go anywhere, no matter how many bombs they have.

                An interesting recipe! That is, you propose to destroy the United States, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries that sponsor terrorists ?!
                If you follow your recipe, then - hello the third world war. Are you sure that your recipe is so right ?!
                А теперь про долги: "... For 11 years, Russia has forgiven foreign debts of $ 80 billion, but it itself has paid creditors $ 124 billion ..." Так называется статья по Вашей ссылке. А теперь выдержка из статьи: "...- Any write-off of debts has several components. The first is the most important motive when it is simply impossible to receive a debt. In this case, the states are trying to get something in return. In particular, some privileges for the work of Russian companies (for example, large Russian companies have significant interests in Iraq). The second is political influence. Thirdly, the financial image of the country. If a country can afford to write off loans, then everything is in order with finances. In connection with the likelihood of Russia entering the international capital markets in the near future, this is the main argument ..." То есть мы списываем долги, что бы привлечь в страну больше денег! Я правильно понял?! Так и что плохого Вы нашли в этом списании?!!!
                Quote: Kalmar
                Well, let's say, in 2006. On Wikipedia, an entire article about all these things is, if that.

                Wow, nine years old! A fresher ?! And about the shutoff of the valve, I have already expressed my opinion, but I can repeat:
                Quote: AndreyS
                For me, I would shut off the valve to all Russophobes, until I fully understand that I wouldn’t bite my lactating hand
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 15 October 2015 10: 15 New
                  -2
                  An interesting recipe! That is, you propose to destroy the United States, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries that sponsor terrorists ?!

                  Why destroy it right away? What are you all evil what? One must strive to cut off terrorists from financing, or make this financing as inefficient as possible. Can they, terrorists, introduce our officials into the leadership? Their experience of cuts / kickbacks is large-scale, they can master almost any amount from Uncle Sam with zero exhaust :)

                  That is, we write off debts in order to attract more money to the country! Did I understand correctly ?! So what bad did you find in this cancellation? !!!

                  Judging by the annual increase in net capital outflows, this strategy somehow works very poorly. I would say it doesn’t work at all. Work on the image is also doubtful: it is possible that it impresses the townsfolk, but experts know what else to look at (for the same outflow, let’s say), you won’t be able to do such tricks.
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 16: 49 New
          -13
          And what should Russia have done in these republics, like some kind of revolution in America ?!

          To answer these questions, we have a whole ministry - the Foreign Ministry is called. But it’s obvious that you just had to sit and watch how the enemy approaches the borders.

          Or to push a bunch of dough there, tearing it off from its citizens and feeding any dependents there ?!

          Рассказать, на какие суммы Россия прощает кредиты всяким "союзникам" ежегодно, или сами нагуглите?

          I would shut off the valve to all Russophobes

          Собственно, вся "взвешенная и продуманная" политика в отношении Украины к этому и свелась: чуть что - крутим вентиль.

          Do you really think that all sorts of different groups there would leave Russia alone ?!

          Already wrote above - every self-respecting terrorist must certainly smash into Russia, yeah. And if somewhere to iron something with bombs - then no need, yeah. Well, it's stupid. It makes no sense to fight terrorism like that.
      12. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 14 October 2015 17: 10 New
        10
        1) Against Russia, most of the European government is now, but this does not always apply to the people.
        2) Venezuela is not a limit, but the possibility of basing our fleet and the base for the Tu-160, and it is worth a lot.
        3) about Georgia: let it not be included in any block, but we also do not need this parasite.
        И вообще: Сядьте Кальмар, вам двойка. И завтра с родителями к директору". Минусы не ставил. Брезгую.
        1. unsinkable
          unsinkable 14 October 2015 19: 44 New
          +2
          And I put a plus. For * disdain * good hi
        2. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 55 New
          -4
          1) Against Russia, most of the European government is now, but this does not always apply to the people.

          Do people introduce sanctions or the government?

          2) Venezuela is not a limit, but the possibility of basing our fleet and the base for the Tu-160, and it is worth a lot.

          Do not make me laugh. Venezuela lives off oil exports, most of which are refined where? That's right, in the USA. They will not give them any of our fleet or Tu-160 base there.

          But for now, you can speculate on why you should keep the Tu-160e there (they will do their job perfectly from the territory of Russia) and which fleet you plan to drive there. Especially if a couple of USG Navy AUGs are registered nearby.

          3) about Georgia: let it not be included in any block, but we also do not need this parasite.

          But it’s not a parasite. This is another unfriendly state at hand - do we need it?
      13. mervino2007
        mervino2007 14 October 2015 17: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: Kalmar
        we climb into Syria, where a bunch of terrorists enthusiastically wet each other.

        Do not distort. Assad supports the entire people of Syria. Even under shelling, the majority voted for him. Do not equal the terrorists and the people of Syria. Your task - we understand, look back - how few people like you !.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 14 October 2015 22: 57 New
          -4
          Assad supports all the people of Syria

          Бред. "Весь народ Сирии" - это на 80% сунниты, которые алавитов (башаровское правительство), вообще говоря, не особо как-то любят. Если бы весь народ реально поддерживал Асада, правительственные войска сейчас контролировали бы побольше 15% территории страны.
      14. Dart2027
        Dart2027 14 October 2015 19: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Kalmar
        Russia is now on the knives with half the civilized world

        Civilized-is this in the sense of a century that dreams of making Russia its colony?
        Quote: Kalmar
        Большая часть наших "союзников" - это всякая бесполезная лимита вроде той же Венесуэлы: пользы от них ноль, зато постоянно требуется им кредиты выдавать и прощать

        Какие там государственные долги у "цивилизованных"?
        Quote: Kalmar
        Наша "продуманная и взвешенная политика" позволила основному противнику полностью забрать под свой контроль Грузию и Украину

        This happened thanks to the traitor Gorbachev.
        Quote: Kalmar
        As a result, we have a permanent hot spot at the very borders.

        Вот только эта точка разрушает не нас, а "незалежность"
        Quote: Kalmar
        What are the goals pursued

        At a minimum, so that these terrorists do not come to us.
      15. Proud.
        Proud. 14 October 2015 19: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Kalmar
        1. Russia is now on its knives with half the civilized world.

        Этот "цивилизованный мир",лёг под одного,самого "главного цивилизатора".Да и в чём "цивилизованность"?Ширма,не более.
        Quote: Kalmar
        2. Большая часть наших "союзников" - это всякая бесполезная лимита вроде той же Венесуэлы: пользы от них ноль, зато постоянно требуется им кредиты выдавать и прощать.

        Uh ... Yes, you are arrogant. It’s bad. Arrogance is punishable. And tell me, what, to the same amers, is the use of the Baltic states, Poles? Constantly they demand loans, and forgive. Continue to explain?
        Quote: Kalmar
        3. Наша "продуманная и взвешенная политика" позволила основному противнику полностью забрать под свой контроль Грузию и Украину.

        Ah ... Everything is as usual. You have a plan, many ... plans. How to resolve everything. But you know everything, and knew how to do it. Is it good to be strong, have a back mind? Yes? You don’t know anything, and neither You don’t have the right to speculate why this happened. Just keep quiet. The same goes for the following points. I won’t say one thing. , you are a couch strategist, like a politician.
      16. Otshelnik
        Otshelnik 14 October 2015 22: 20 New
        +2
        A civilized world .... is it in the sense of the usa, geyevropa, israel? Stop the Earth, I will come down!
      17. Ladoga
        Ladoga 15 October 2015 03: 35 New
        +1
        Well, about the knives from half of the, civilized world, it’s you who you slaughtered without thinking.
        I saw, and not only I alone, how the American sixes bent over to Putin. To greet.
        Yes, and the UN literally bent down did not allow him to crouch in order to shake hands and take pictures with him.
        The Americans themselves admit that Putin holds their eggs, because all their power rests on the world dollar system. But as a supporter of the so-called soft power, he does not make any sudden movements in this regard. But everything is ahead, everything can change.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 15 October 2015 08: 21 New
          -2
          Americans themselves admit that Putin holds their eggs, because all their power rests on the world dollar system

          Who is they who admits there? Do not fantasize.
          Then, the power of the Russian Federation, surprisingly, rests on the same dollar system: as long as a stream of dollars is flowing into the country in exchange for oil, everything is in full swing. It was worth it to narrow this flow when prices dipped, we all immediately rushed to the economic crisis. For amers, it will not be a big problem to lower prices even more strongly - well, who is holding anyone's balls here?
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX 15 October 2015 10: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Kalmar
            For amers it will not be a big problem to squander prices (oil) even more

            Станет. Путин действительно ухватил их за яйца, поскольку ломает сам механизм "просадки" цен - продажу ворованной нефти по демпинговым ценам. Он просто бомбит этот "механизм")).
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 15 October 2015 10: 48 New
              -2
              Станет. Путин действительно ухватил их за яйца, поскольку ломает сам механизм "просадки" цен - продажу ворованной нефти по демпинговым ценам. Он просто бомбит этот "механизм")).

              Oh, here from this place in more detail, please :)
              А я пока гляну, почем нынче нефть-то... Так-так... Ох ты ж, 49.77 - все еще не 100. Крепкий "механизм" оказался, не ломается, однако :)
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 15 October 2015 11: 07 New
                +2
                Quote: Kalmar
                how much is oil now ... So-so ... Oh you, 49.77

                See further)). Everything is known in dynamics.
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 15 October 2015 12: 35 New
                  -1
                  See further)). Everything is known in dynamics.

                  For almost a year now the whole country has been watching in a single impulse. The dynamics are somehow not encouraging.
                  1. Ladoga
                    Ladoga 15 October 2015 23: 06 New
                    0
                    Who is they who admits there? Do not fantasize. (Kalmar).
                  2. CTEPX
                    CTEPX 16 October 2015 13: 41 New
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                    Quote: Kalmar
                    For almost a year now the whole country has been watching in a single impulse.

                    And for me it’s not even a month has passed)).
          2. Ladoga
            Ladoga 15 October 2015 22: 01 New
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            I’m not even going to fantasize. To dream is your hobby.
            "Россия держит нефтедоллар одной рукой и может в одно мгновение ответить таким образом, чтобы вызвать такой крах Dow, какого еще не было в истории", - не исключает известный трейдер Джим Синклер.
            The conclusion, which, several years ago was published in the Conclusion of the US Geological Survey. Namely: Europe cannot survive without energy supplies from Russia. Which, translated from English into any other language of the world, means: "The world cannot survive if the supply of oil and gas from Russia is subtracted from the global balance of energy supplies."
            Thus, the entire Western world built on the hegemony of the petrodollar was in a catastrophic situation. In which the West cannot survive without oil and gas supplies from Russia, and Russia is now ready to sell its oil and gas to the West only in exchange for physical gold! The piquancy of the situation prevailing in Putin’s party is that the mechanism for selling Russian energy to the West only for gold is now working, regardless of whether the West agrees to pay for Russian oil and gas with its artificially cheaper gold or not.
            In the financial world, the postulate that gold is an antidollar is accepted as an axiom.
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 16 October 2015 00: 12 New
              0
              "Россия держит нефтедоллар одной рукой и может в одно мгновение ответить таким образом, чтобы вызвать такой крах Dow, какого еще не было в истории", - не исключает известный трейдер Джим Синклер.

              And, great, the invaluable opinion of some huckster. Can you tell me how Russia can collapse something there without screwing up its own economy? I foresee an evening of amazing stories :)

              Europe cannot survive without energy supplies from Russia

              Europe Europe is different. East (like the same Baltic States) - can not, well, so who cares? In Germany, the share of Russian gas in imports is 35 percent, and they are working to reduce it.

              the mechanism of selling Russian energy resources to the West only for gold now works whether the West agrees to pay for Russian oil and gas with its artificially cheapened gold or not

              Amazing stories were not long in coming :) Well, to whom did we sell oil and gas for gold?
              1. Ladoga
                Ladoga 16 October 2015 01: 52 New
                0
                ,, Ah, great, priceless opinion of some huckster. ,,

                Whose opinion is especially valuable to you? Share it.

                ,, In Germany, the share of Russian gas in imports is 35 percent, and they are working to reduce it. ,,

                Well, how, how much have they reduced? Are their successes great?

                ,, Well, to whom are we selling oil and gas for gold?

                In the third quarter of 2014, for example, out of 93 tons of gold purchased by all the Central Banks worldwide, Russian reserves were replenished by 55 tons. The question is simple, what do you think, with what money was it purchased?
                I dare to assure you that gold is actively bought now and in the future too. By the way, Americans, charge, gold bars with tungsten alloy.
                And then they sell it. Why do you think they do this?
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 16 October 2015 13: 31 New
                  +1
                  Well, how, how much have they reduced? Are their successes great?

                  Here, you can read, for example: http://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/articles/2015/06/11/596088-gaz-ne-nuzhen-veroyat
                  nost-otkaza-evropi-ot-rossiiskogo-gaza-rastet

                  of 93 tons of gold purchased by all the Central Banks of the world, Russian reserves replenished by 55 tons. The question is simple, what do you think, with what money was it purchased?

                  Divine logic. Those. if I spent part of my salary on food, then do I work for food? Settlement for oil goes to dollars, and only what they then spend on is the tenth matter.
          3. Ladoga
            Ladoga 15 October 2015 22: 49 New
            0
            ,, We know that the US economy is literally on the verge of collapse. All we need now is a trigger. ,, (c).
            In essence, Mannarino (Greg Mannarino, investor and commentator) warns that Russia and Vladimir Putin can use the current geopolitical climate to move their pieces on the Grand Chessboard and the end of the game will be the destruction of domestic stock markets and the US dollar.

            Given the terrible economic fundamentals of the United States, the growing and unserviceable level of debt, and the fact that China is currently acting in coordination with its Russian counterparts, can we witness the final stages of a coordinated strike on US economic and financial interests?

            A few more movements and this can become a "Mat." (C)

            “Putin understands that the Achilles' heel is a stock market accelerated to hyperinflation ... this person is a brilliant strategist.

            As we understand that all wars are based on deception, this retreat of the “troops” here is part of the play.

            When he re-enters these “troops” and makes his move, he will crush the American securities markets and receive the trillions of dollars that will flee this market and end up in the pockets of many people.

            Владимир Путин не в коей мере не собирается отступать и проигрывать Бараку Обаме или любой из западных сил. У него нет никаких причин, чтобы сделать это. Он понимает, где он находится, и то, что ему нужно сделать, чтобы добиться своей цели".(с).

            It is possible to quote the Americans themselves about the current situation for a long time. But you, Kalmar, it’s all the same, you’re like in a tank. Or does it matter?
            1. Kalmar
              Kalmar 16 October 2015 00: 17 New
              +1
              It is possible to quote the Americans themselves about the current situation for a long time. But you, Kalmar, it’s all the same, you’re like in a tank. Or does it matter?

              Да красивых цитаток можно накидать много. Особенно если избирательно вылавливать те, которые Вам больше нравятся. Но, как говорится, "трындеть - не мешки ворочать". Все эти сказки про неминуемый крах американской экономики и "ход конем" Путина я помню еще по 2007-2008 году, когда у них там кризис шибанул. Какова цена этим сказкам - надеюсь, пояснять не надо, у кого глаза и мозги на месте - сами видят и понимают.
              1. Ladoga
                Ladoga 16 October 2015 02: 04 New
                0
                ,, whose eyes and brains are in place - they themselves see and understand. ,,

                I somehow do not care about aesthetics, whether quotes are beautiful, or not. You, so big-eyed and incredibly brainy, can you essentially object?
                Only so that without empty trindeniya.
                1. Kalmar
                  Kalmar 16 October 2015 13: 25 New
                  +1
                  anything essentially can object?

                  А чему-то там возражать-то? Набор тезисов о великом Путине, который вот-вот чем-то там сокрушит США. Обоснований нет, фактов нет, ничего нет. "Следует решительнее бороться с говорильней и пустозвонством" - больше на это ответить нечего.
            2. Greyjojo
              Greyjojo 16 October 2015 15: 10 New
              +1
              Каждый год предрекают "конец света", "Конец США" по нескольку раз. Каждый раз с красивыми словами и "доводами". Только все пустозвонство - что бы построить Великую страну надо работать как проклятые (вспомним 30-50).

              PS: Tomorrow is the next apocalypse: http://www.kp.ru/daily/26446.4/3316757/#close
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 14 October 2015 15: 19 New
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    everything will be fair winked
  • arane
    arane 14 October 2015 15: 29 New
    +8
    The problem is that any event can be taught in different ways and with diametrically opposite conclusions. And all this is very logical to justify.
    Therefore, the author must be put on a barrel of gunpowder. Let them fly. And he will come up with a justification for this act!
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    2. gjv
      gjv 14 October 2015 15: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: arane
      the author must be put on a barrel of gunpowder. Let it fly

      Luntik Münauchsen ... laughing
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        1. iConst
          iConst 14 October 2015 17: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: matRoss
          Squid for beer
          - Entirely or rings? laughing

          Amused ... pluseg ...
        2. Air Force captain
          Air Force captain 14 October 2015 17: 37 New
          +2
          The program is not bad laughing
          Quote: matRoss
          The author on a stake, an article in a firebox, Squid on a beer, Assad on a kingdom, mattresses on a wood, poof on a counter, ISIS on Allah, homosexual on a fingernail, Turks on the side, bite samurai, suck on little brothers, shiver! Something like that ... if thesis.
          ... but mattresses would be better not for the forest but for the count ... and the author’s in the firebox ... well, and everything seems to be politically correct good
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          3. Air Force captain
            Air Force captain 14 October 2015 17: 42 New
            +4
            MGIMO teacher sets students homework on Political etiquette:
            "Представте себе следующую ситуацию: При испытании нового типа баллистической ракеты, произошла ошибка и наша ракета сошла с намеченной учебной траектории и попала на территорию Ботсваны - бедного африканского государства. В результате погибло 10000 мирных жителей.
            Правительство Ботсваны заявило ноту протеста требуя возмещения ущерба. Ваша задача - составить ответную ноту МИДа которая позволила бы загладить конфликт и минимизировать убытки."
            ... In a week:
            "Ребята, вы - молодцы. Прекрасно справились со сложным заданием. Однако, есть неточности:
            Во-первых "черножопые" пишется с маленькой буквы, а "не Эбет" - раздельно."
        3. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 14 October 2015 19: 45 New
          +1
          Listen bro, and you accidentally didn’t finish UML in stagnant years? very cool outline, the essence! sit down, excellent, I passed the exam. hello to parents, big and hot! good
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev 14 October 2015 17: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: booth
    What to draw all at once with black paints? We'll see...

    Where do these experts come from? The special correspondent of Kommersant Publishing House since 1996 and the Executive Director of Kommersant Holding since 2012, and the editor-in-chief of Russian Pioneer magazine since 2008. Included in the “Kremlin pool” of journalists. The page can be turned over. lol
    1. Tany
      Tany 14 October 2015 20: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: sgazeev
      Quote: booth
      What to draw all at once with black paints? We'll see...

      Where do these experts come from? The special correspondent of Kommersant Publishing House since 1996 and the Executive Director of Kommersant Holding since 2012, and the editor-in-chief of Russian Pioneer magazine since 2008. Included in the “Kremlin pool” of journalists. The page can be turned over. lol

      Sorry, but you are mistaken. Confused the author with another journalist, almost the namesake.
      But about the author:

      Born July 29, 1965 in the family of a lawyer, in Moscow.

      1987-1990 - Senior Advisor to the Judicial Collegium for Criminal Cases of the Supreme Court of the RSFSR.

      1990-1992 - columnist for the Dialog magazine.

      1992-1993 - columnist for the Rossiyskiye Vesti newspaper.

      1993-1995 - columnist for the magazine "Spark".

      Since 1995 - in the magazine “New time” - The New Times: columnist, deputy editor-in-chief, since January 1998 - 1st deputy editor-in-chief.

      Since 1998 - in the newspaper "Izvestia": in June - September 1998 - editor of the department of economics; in September 1998 - January 2000 - editor of the policy department; since January 2000 - political observer; Since February 2005 - Deputy Chief Editor.

      He was a columnist for the Internet newspaper Gazeta.ru, a columnist for Rossiyskaya Gazeta and the Profil magazine, a regular contributor to Nezavisimaya Gazeta and the New Russian Word newspaper (USA), Ogonyok magazine, and the head of the Moscow branch of the literary magazine Vremya i we "(USA), columnist for the" Man and Society "program of the Moscow bureau of Radio Liberty. In April 1997, he was the chief editor of the first issue of the anti-fascist journal Diagnosis.

      In November 1997, The General Newspaper named Andrei Kolesnikov one of the authors of The History of Privatization in Russia. Kolesnikov himself in an interview with the program "Today at midnight" said that he edited the chapters, the authors of which were A. Chubais and M. Boyko.

      He taught at the Higher School of Journalism at the Higher School of Economics (Course "Basic Concepts and Thematic Areas of Political Journalism").

      In 2001-2005 - Executive Director of Public Relations of the FBK audit and consulting company.

      He was a PR consultant and speechwriter for a number of Russian politicians, a PR and GR consultant for a number of Russian corporate structures.

      He was a member of the ATP Creative Council.
  • Penzyac
    Penzyac 14 October 2015 20: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: booth
    What to draw all at once with black paints? We'll see...

    Точно, как будто "Эхо Москвы" послушал. Только сегодня на Эхе в подобном ключе рассуждали (утром в маршрутке, почему то, вещало)...
  • edge
    edge 15 October 2015 15: 16 New
    0
    Quote: booth
    confirmed that the status of a great power has indeed been restored - Russia plays by its own rules wherever it wants, and the way it wants

    I remember, in the days of the USSR, there was a slogan, donate money to the Peace Fund, so that you don’t have to donate to the Defense Fund .... Now, acting in concert with the government, we maintain the well-being and integrity of our Motherland
  • nekot
    nekot 14 October 2015 15: 02 New
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    And why is this nonsense here? A collection of grant cliches that we already know by heart))
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 14 October 2015 15: 02 New
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    Еще один либерастический олень нарисовался. А сути фильма "Хвост виляет собакой" (так он шел в нашем прокате) автор не понял. Там как раз высмеивалась политика Штатов в ее нынешнем виде, просто в те далекие времена эта политика только зарождалась.
  • kil 31
    kil 31 14 October 2015 15: 02 New
    +5
    Since there will be no economic miracle, it is highly likely that some small victorious high-latitude war will begin for “our” shelf in the Arctic Ocean, for “our” Lomonosov Ridge in the Arctic.
    If someone climbs there will be a war for territory, not for elections
  • gjv
    gjv 14 October 2015 15: 03 New
    +9
    Автор Андрей Колесников манипулятивно "вудит" войны, которые начинала (и будет начинать) не Россия, а "партнёры". Используют ли Андрея Колесникова ИГИЛ и "партнёры" в 2015 полностью. Или дожуют в 2018-ом...
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    2. gjv
      gjv 14 October 2015 15: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: gjv
      Используют ли Андрея Колесникова ИГИЛ и "партнёры" в 2015 полностью. Или дожуют в 2018-ом...

      Quote: gryaznov.igor.
      better to extinguish terrorists there than inside the country

      Well, that's what I meant - it’s better to flatten ISIS there, without waiting for 2018! Neither Assad nor me will be bad from this.
  • ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 14 October 2015 15: 04 New
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    Again, the fifth column for his! For them, the best President, of course, is Banana Obama! And his house is spread.
    1. gjv
      gjv 14 October 2015 15: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: ibu355yandex.ru
      For them, the best President, of course,

      Banana Cheating. The black presidential banana attracts them to ride.
  • dr.star75
    dr.star75 14 October 2015 15: 08 New
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    Something the author confuses. Crimea was not attached for the rating, but because the people voted to enter back to Russia. Further, the Russians, perhaps, according to the polls of the Levada Center, do not correctly assess the activities of B. Assad, but nonetheless about the Legally elected President of the country, and part-time supreme commander in chief. His job is to protect the country from everyone. And who gave the opposition a mandate for rebellion, so to speak? The United Nations? Recent examples in Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, the author have nothing to suggest? Well, at the end in Syria we defend ourselves, and not attack, therefore, as Comrade Stalin said: the enemy will be defeated! The victory will be ours!
  • Abbra
    Abbra 14 October 2015 15: 08 New
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    Thu! How wonderful is this? Well, lad, turn around! On whose content today?
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 14 October 2015 15: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      Thu! How wonderful is this? Well, lad, turn around! On whose content today?



      Leah Akhedzhakova ... Necrophil ...
  • as150505
    as150505 14 October 2015 15: 08 New
    +6
    Bullshit article!
    1. Mareman Vasilich
      Mareman Vasilich 14 October 2015 15: 16 New
      +5
      Aftor just threw money on a new training manual. Poke them in the snout, would calm down immediately.
  • gryaznov.igor.
    gryaznov.igor. 14 October 2015 15: 09 New
    12
    the article is complete nonsense, it’s better to extinguish terrorists there than inside the country, I AM SEVASTOPOL AND I AM A MATUSH FOR RUSSIA, AND I THINK SUCH AUTHORS AND THEIR ARTICLES AS TRAITERS OF THE HOMELAND FOR THOSE SUCH YEARS OF 20
  • forester
    forester 14 October 2015 15: 09 New
    11
    Блин эти либерасты неоригинальны - намедни некое тело по фамилии надеждин нечто похожее вещал Только и слышно "нам не надо" "если вдруг" "а о последствиях ВВП не думает " Как под копирку блеют - сразу видно одно авторство
    1. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 14 October 2015 15: 26 New
      11
      Quote: forester
      Блин эти либерасты неоригинальны - намедни некое тело по фамилии надеждин нечто похожее вещал Только и слышно "нам не надо" "если вдруг" "а о последствиях ВВП не думает " Как под копирку блеют - сразу видно одно авторство

      Fly to the moon better, already sick of their boo boo boo
  • Thronekeeper
    Thronekeeper 14 October 2015 15: 09 New
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    Разнылся что-то наш либерастьон. К дождю, наверное. Особенно о "порче нравов" и "оправдании войны" улыбнула. Автор живёт в альтернативной вселенной. Жил бы в нашей, знал бы, чтороссияне давно имеют к власти вопрос: когда будет "Империя наносит ответный удар".
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 14 October 2015 15: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Thronekeeper
      Our liberalstion was different. By the rain, I guess.

      Autumn is in the yard. Depression. From there and exacerbations).
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 14 October 2015 15: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: Thronekeeper
      Our liberalstion was different. By the rain, I guess.


      Well said ... Yes, he probably just from the Board or the Ear of Matzah ... by the syllable it is felt ...
  • antoXa
    antoXa 14 October 2015 15: 10 New
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    Ну что тут сказать уважаемому автору))) Вам бы на "эхо" строчить, а не здесь, ни когда Вам не понять нас, мы мыслим совсем иначе!
    You probably never heard of the term geopolitics! And to consider such problems only from the point of view of the elections in Russia and the ratings of the country's leadership, without taking into account the geopolitical motives and the motives of state security of Russia, it is simply unprofessional, therefore I do not understand why to write such an article on such a topic ...
    Лично мне выборы не интересны вообще и априори, я считаю действующую систему выборов, неважно демократические они или нет и где и кто их признает или нет, априори неэффективной более того считаю, что и придумывалась она не ради того, что бы кого-то кто-то выбирал... Так какая простите мне разница до рейтинга предвыборного ВВП??? Но таким как Вы автор этого не понять, смотрите передачи на амер тв. где кучи странных людей машут флажками и орут в экстазе от предвыборных обещаний очередного будущего обладателя нобелевской премии "мира".
  • Decathlon
    Decathlon 14 October 2015 15: 13 New
    +9
    "Страшно даже подумать, кого российская авиация будет бомбить, когда сирийский эффект сойдет на нет"
    The accumulation of liberals and their command posts!
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 14 October 2015 15: 16 New
    +5
    Не надо ставить знак равенства между Афганом и Вьетнамом, это неправильно. За 30 лет безбожной пропаганды западу не удалось убедить россиян в провале военной кампании, в политическом провале - да. А вот США провалились во всех смыслах! Здесь США и их приспешники, как тот персонаж из анекдота - "я не обосрусь, не обосрусь, упс, я не обосрался, я не обосрался!" статье минус negative
  • triglav
    triglav 14 October 2015 15: 20 New
    +4
    "Сирия бы очень пригодилась в 2018 году. Но ее использовали в 2015-м, и теперь придется искать другую точку на карте. Или другой глобус..."

    Why would you? Do we have any other problems? Russia has already fulfilled its task: in a week it has done more than the Americans and their ilk in a year. And the Arctic is ours. And giving it to someone is wrong. What a fright?
  • Batia
    Batia 14 October 2015 15: 23 New
    +4
    Everything is going right. Allies need to be prepared ahead of time, and not when fried. I do not agree with the article. Minus.
  • sisa29
    sisa29 14 October 2015 15: 26 New
    +2
    Judging by the environment of the enemies, we have not only until the age of 18
  • starriuy
    starriuy 14 October 2015 15: 26 New
    +3
    I didn’t even finish reading ... a liberal set ... I wonder what price for such a scribble? ... so, simply, for general information ...
    1. sl22277
      sl22277 14 October 2015 15: 40 New
      +2
      I don’t find any informativeness in this publication. Just some delusional conclusions.
    2. Stinger
      Stinger 14 October 2015 15: 49 New
      +2
      Well yes. Turnover is a typical set of liberalists: to divert attention from the crisis, public relations appeal to an internal audience, a new Afghanistan, etc. And when the bearded come to his house with a knife from Damascus steel, they will scream, but it will be too late. And an independent court with a separation of powers will not help.
  • Bthuk
    Bthuk 14 October 2015 15: 28 New
    +2
    What to draw all at once with black paints?

    Слизали с Кличко"на сегодня в завтрашний день!" )))
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 October 2015 15: 33 New
    +4
    I do not understand, the author proposes to abandon the long-term, reliable ally for the devastation of the terrorists and the democrats who joined them ?.

    I personally cannot assess the validity of each specific action taken by Russia - I am a simple citizen. But I believe my President; I believe that he will do nothing to harm my country.
  • sl22277
    sl22277 14 October 2015 15: 37 New
    +2
    The article did not even deserve discussion. Moreover, Crimea is a part of the country, and Syria is here .. Minus to the author.
  • Maksus
    Maksus 14 October 2015 15: 37 New
    +3
    Да даже если и так, как этот "автор" пишет и вся операция в Сирии - это только блажь ВВП. Кому от этого плохо? Бармалеев гоняем? - ДА!
    Do pilots get the training they need in combat? - YES!
    Are we working at the request of a legitimate government and are not trying to overthrow anyone? - YES!!!
    Is Russia back on the world stage? - YES AGAIN !!!
    People do not mind? - YES!!!
    So stop whining.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 14 October 2015 19: 55 New
      +2
      you forgot to add:
      Dispose of old ammunition? YES!!
      working out the use of new high-precision ammunition and running in? YES!
      and so on on the list!
      By the way: the disposal of ammunition is very, very dangerous and expensive thing.
  • rubidiy
    rubidiy 14 October 2015 15: 44 New
    +4
    Quote: Kalmar
    Russia plays by human, fair rules! And not where he wants, and as he wants, but where the world requires it, justice and how humanity requires it!

    I understand that I am encroaching on the sacred, but did the world, justice and humanity demand to fit in with Assad in Syria? The world / justice / humanity does not need this, it only needs Bashar and his regime. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.

    Who is setting the criteria for humanity here? USA? England? France? Turkey? Germany???
    These countries are clinical sadists. And you are one of their representatives, regardless of where you are.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 14 October 2015 15: 49 New
    +2
    У авторов таких статей одна проблема. Они противопоставляют Россию так называемому "свободному миру" и делают однозначный вывод: Россия-ацтой! Но сравнивать надо не с этим сытым концлагерем, а с Россией несколько лет назад. Например, когда мы во время Югославии мяу не могли сказать, а самым крутым нашим действием был разворот Примакова. На этом фоне у нас все отлично, движение вперёд налицо. Постепенно, но неуклонно!
  • Lena Alena
    Lena Alena 14 October 2015 15: 50 New
    +4
    Some kind of one-sided article.
    " Сирия бы очень пригодилась в 2018 году. Но ее использовали в 2015-м, и теперь придется искать другую точку на карте."
    Сирийский вопрос-это ведь не ложка к обеду.Он требует решения здесь,и сейчас,а не в 2018,когда"она пригодится".
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 14 October 2015 17: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Lena-Alena
      Сирийский вопрос-это ведь не ложка к обеду.Он требует решения здесь,и сейчас,а не в 2018,когда"она пригодится".

      Афганистан "решали" 10 лет, из разных калибров, результат каков? Так и с Сирией будет, нет там никакого решение "здесь и сейчас", там Асаду, который не сумел обратить в свое время ситуацию в свою пользу костыли подставляют и что его все время в таком положении поддерживать будут, ибо сам он это сделать не может, все равно он уйдет, кроме войны у него решения никакого нет, это не может продолжаться вечно
  • ingenera
    ingenera 14 October 2015 15: 50 New
    +2
    It’s in vain that they all ganged up on the liberals — we need them laughing . They all broadcast about the persecution of the opposition, but nobody touches them, because nobody needs a fuck. Here they are with their existence and their own bark constantly refute.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 14 October 2015 16: 02 New
    +3
    Article minus, VO - thank you for posting this too, it’s interesting to be curious as liberals do. I thought everything was already blown away - but no, the liberal client is still at the stage of decomposition, and it smells like a cesspool in the backyard.
  • demo
    demo 14 October 2015 16: 16 New
    +2
    It is terrible to even think who the Russian aircraft will bomb when the Syrian effect comes to naught and the presidential election approaches. Syria would be very useful in 2018 year. But it was used in 2015, and now I’ll have to find another point on the map. Or another globe.

    Dear author.
    At this end of the article, there is a persistent feeling that you posted it at that time, and in no place.
    It was necessary to write to the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation.
    And to warn them.
    And then they, wretched, do not know about what you know.
  • afrikanez
    afrikanez 14 October 2015 16: 19 New
    0
    Well, to compare the accession of Crimea and airstrikes in Syria, this is even in the perception of Russian citizens, completely different things. The author clearly bent over, article minus.
  • Alksay
    Alksay 14 October 2015 16: 23 New
    +3
    Да, "интересная" статейка только вот первоисточник не http://vpk-news.ru/articles/27519 а московский центр карнеги, очередной забугорный фонд... laughing
  • russmensch
    russmensch 14 October 2015 16: 29 New
    +1
    It’s scary to even think about who the Russian aircraft will bomb when the Syrian effect fades away ...

    Damn, this author should not be afraid ... winked Бояться надо того, что наступит время и придет к тебе человек, возможно твой хороший знакомый и спросит-"в чем сила брат?", и задумчиво посмотрит тебе в глаза. crying angry soldier
  • stas
    stas 14 October 2015 16: 34 New
    +3
    The degree of liberalism in the author coincides with the idiocy of the maydauns.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 14 October 2015 17: 34 New
    +5
    I looked for who is who Andrey Kolesnikov. Head of the Carnegie Moscow Center. It is dressed in the fifth column. Therefore, the article is not worth a damn egg, a typical order.
  • anderles66
    anderles66 14 October 2015 17: 35 New
    +4
    Очередной либеральный высер. Я дошел до "входа в Афганистан", до постепенного входа. Простите, но автор ничего про Амина и его дворец не слышал? вообще Афганистан и Сирия рядом не стояли во всех смыслах, кроме визуальной схожести, что и там и там наши войска за границей действуют. Всё, остальное не комментирую.
  • evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 14 October 2015 17: 49 New
    +2
    The author of an article of purest water provocateur. As soon as such people carry the earth?
  • korvin1976
    korvin1976 14 October 2015 17: 52 New
    +1
    No comments
    This is where the ears of this article grow from: http://carnegie.ru/2015/10/06/en-61505/iikg
  • sv-georgij
    sv-georgij 14 October 2015 18: 28 New
    0
    Following Levashov’s logic, one can say that the United States benefits from the existing civilizational bias that exists today and was even more comfortable earlier. That is, a more developed state taking advantage of some backwardness of others simply robs them. And in this sense, driving Syria into radical Islam, they increase the very civilizational distortion. And as the USSR acted on the contrary, he did his best to reduce this bias in Africa, Afghanistan, and so on, opened schools, built hospitals and taught the intelligentsia of developing countries.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 14 October 2015 18: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Kalmar
    .... only Bashar and his regime need it. Which in excessive peace, justice or humanity is very difficult to reproach.

    In dozens of basins, it is more difficult to blame the regimes of Arab monarchies in this! However, this does not stop Washington, the main fighter for promoting shit democracy in the world, kissing them, and the monarchies not being afraid of color revolutions! So it’s not at all a matter of peace, justice and humanity of Bashar! It interferes with Washington and therefore he is a terrible dictator who needs to be removed!
  • cte-power
    cte-power 14 October 2015 18: 43 New
    0
    author of the article give an example of paramilitary mobilization of the population in Russia ???????
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 14 October 2015 19: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: cte-power
      author of the article give an example of paramilitary mobilization of the population in Russia ???????

      Remember the words from the old song:
      ... if tomorrow is war, if tomorrow is camping
      The whole country will stand under a weapon ... repeat
  • Nymp
    Nymp 14 October 2015 19: 23 New
    +1
    Автор статьи либераст - совдеповский детёныш. Не одной конструктивной мысли, "голос америки" на нашем сайте.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 14 October 2015 19: 27 New
    0
    There is no double bottom in a defensive war.
  • akm8226
    akm8226 14 October 2015 19: 30 New
    0
    Even if the GDP didn’t do anything about Syria, Crimea is entirely his merit. The difference between him and Humpback is visible to the naked eye. He alone immortalized his name in Crimea. Because he is the FIRST who does not bend under the USA. This is a fact that you can’t argue against - reinforced concrete.
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 14 October 2015 19: 41 New
    +1
    The author confuses God's gift with scrambled eggs, the USSR with today's Russia, the world of the 80s with today! And in this liberal cry, one can hear it - citizens have disappeared, Russia will not end the economic miracle, etc., etc. But we remember the liberal economic miracle of the 90s, when they directly ruled the country as their grantors wanted it! And today they are screaming: why do you need the Arctic with its minerals, why do you need order and justice in some distant Syria! Better sit at home and do not stick your nose where their boss rules outrage, sit and wait when he decides to cancel his sessions! The position of these liberals resembles the actions of a baby scared by fire and hiding under the bed! So let them hide their venal head in the sand and not scare us with their childhood fears and let them not speak on behalf of the whole people. And the Levada Center is still that puppet! hi
  • gammipapa
    gammipapa 14 October 2015 19: 53 New
    +3
    Guys, why are you like children directly? This is an obvious mumitrol.
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 October 2015 20: 17 New
    0
    Quote: iConst
    Quote: Gormengast
    Gormenghast
    - Gormengast, well said!


    Thank you.
  • Penzyac
    Penzyac 14 October 2015 20: 25 New
    0
    Syria would be very useful in 2018. But it was used in 2015 ...

    And in that case, would Syria (country, legal government, etc.) be in 2018?
    Who knows, what would be better? But! Life (like history, which in general is one and the same thing) does not obey the subjunctive mood and has to act here and now, and not when one would like or would be more convenient and pleasant to someone, unfortunately ...
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 14 October 2015 20: 27 New
    +2
    "Worse than corruption and deprivation - the thoughts of Western contagion". (Иосиф Бродский).
  • ssn18
    ssn18 14 October 2015 20: 41 New
    +3
    Article minus! Yesterday or the day before yesterday, I’m sorry I forgot, this topic has already been sucked. Slid down to the subject of oil and gas pipes and the profits from them. Somehow nasty.
    The prevented terrorist attack in Moscow, the practically unceasing CTOs (counter-terrorism operations) in the North Caucasus, and all the terrorists were trained in ISIS camps, some in Syria, some of Saudi Arabia, and long before the start of the Russian air forces in the SAR.
    Probably liberoids will stop counting profits and drive the blizzard only when something begins to tear under their ass.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 14 October 2015 21: 06 New
    -4
    The article is certainly not indisputable, but the author’s point of view is quite interesting, and there is common sense in the author’s conclusions. hi
    1. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 14 October 2015 22: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      The article is certainly not indisputable, but the author’s point of view is quite interesting, and there is common sense in the author’s conclusions. hi


      А не могли бы Вы раскрыть тот самый "здравый смысл", который Вы увидели у автора данной статьи?

      And then all of the people here around here are really wrong, and you are rrrraz! - and convince everyone repeat
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 15 October 2015 01: 46 New
        0
        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
        А не могли бы Вы раскрыть тот самый "здравый смысл", который Вы увидели у автора данной статьи?

        And then all of the people here around here are really wrong, and you are rrrraz! - and convince everyone


        Michael, why, I expressed my point of view, and was absolutely not going to convince or dissuade anyone of something.

        Something like this. I have the honor. hi
        1. Ross_ulair
          Ross_ulair 15 October 2015 08: 50 New
          +1
          Plus to you. For directness hi
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 15 October 2015 22: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: ROSS_Ulair
            Plus to you. For directness


            Thank you for your directness. hi