Innovation Day of the Southern Military District: BTR-82AM armored personnel carrier

In the foreseeable future, the Russian armed forces will continue to operate BTR-80 armored personnel carriers and other vehicles based on them. At the same time, the military department intends to update the fleet of such armored vehicles through the construction of new armored personnel carriers and the modernization of existing ones. As part of the armored vehicles fleet renewal program, a project for the modernization of the BTR-82AM was developed several years ago. To date, the defense industry has mastered the production of this technology on the basis of the available vehicles BTR-80. Not so long ago, one of the new type of armored troop-carriers was shown at the “Innovation Day of the Southern Military District” exhibition.

Projects of the BTR-82 family, including the BTR-82AM, were created at the end of the last decade. Their goal was to further develop the existing technology through the use of new components, equipment and weapons. The project BTR-82AM aims to update the fleet of vehicles through the repair and modernization of existing machines. According to this project, it was proposed to retool serial machines of the type BTR-80 with the installation of a new engine, combat module, etc. All this should have led to a serious increase in performance and combat effectiveness.

After upgrading the BTR-82AM retain the main goals and objectives of the base machine. This technique is designed to transport personnel and provide fire support during the battle. In this case, the machine has a number of new equipment, which facilitates the operation and to some extent improves its fighting qualities.

The most serious improvements are the elements of the power plant, transmission and chassis. Upgraded armored personnel carriers receive a KAMAZ-740.14 300 diesel engine with 300 horsepower. In addition, the transmission is being finalized and the chassis is reinforced. During the modernization of the armored car noticeably heavier. Weight gain is offset by a new engine and enhanced suspension.

The total mass of the BTR-82AM reaches 15,9 tons. Despite this, the car can reach speeds up to 80 km / h on the highway. There is still the possibility of crossing water obstacles by swimming with the help of the existing jet propulsion unit. Thanks to the engine of increased power, the armored personnel carrier is still able to climb the 30-degree slope, climb the wall with a height of 0,5 m and overcome other obstacles.

An important innovation of the project with the letters "AM" is an auxiliary power unit. To supply the onboard systems with electricity, a special low-power engine installed in the engine compartment can be used. This unit is designed to power communication systems, weapons, etc. in parking lots. If necessary, the crew can turn off the main engine, not spending fuel and its resource, but at the same time to maintain the energy supply of all major systems. Special equipment can be connected to the auxiliary power unit to provide electricity to third-party consumers.

BTR-82AM vehicles receive a combat module similar to that used on the BTR-80А. On the reinforced roof of the hull mounted turret assembly with machine-gun and artillery weapons. The main armament of the BTR-82AM is the 2-72 automatic gun of the 30 caliber mm. Also mounted on the turret is the PKTM machine gun in a separate armored casing. As an additional weapons the tower carries smoke grenade launchers.

In order to increase the security of the gun operator, his workplace is shifted down. Now it is located not in the tower, but under it. The control of weapons is carried out using the remote. At the same time, the workplace of the shooter is equipped with several viewing devices and other equipment for monitoring the situation.

The first armored personnel carriers of the BTR-82 family were built in 2009 year. Later they passed the tests and were transferred to some parts of the Southern Military District for trial operation. In 2013, the technique of new types was adopted. In the same year, a full-scale serial construction of new equipment was launched. According to previously published data, the serial assembly of armored personnel carriers BTR-82, including the BTR-82AM, was to continue until at least 2016.

According to some reports, last year the Ministry of Defense planned to send the BNR-120 machines for upgrading the 80 vehicles and receive instead BTR-82AM vehicles. The order for 2015 year was to make the 134 machines. The order of 60 armored personnel carriers of the new type must be received by the troops next year.

To date, BTR-82AM armored personnel carriers are in service with a large number of ground forces units. One of the machines of this type, operated in the Southern Military District, 5 and 6 of October was located in the pavilion of the exhibition complex “Vertol Expo” and was an exhibit of the “Innovation Day of the Southern Military District” exhibition. We present a photoreview of a promising armored personnel carrier.

External differences between the BTR-82AM and the BTR-80 are minimal

Driver's hatch and viewing instruments

Commander hatch with searchlight

Driving an armored personnel carrier is facilitated by rear-view mirrors and lighting equipment.

Front side left side

Aft hull. Hatches for access to the auxiliary power unit / center are visible on the left]

[Center]
Feed machine

Water jet did not change

On the right side is transported

Silencers are provided for fastening air pipes used when driving on water

BTR-82AM retains the double side doors of the predecessor

The upper part of the door is equipped with an embrasure for firing from personal weapons

View of the department of management

View from the left door forward. Visible workplace shooter and his protective cover

View from the right door forward. The sub-combat units of the combat module are visible.

The back of the right half of the troop compartment

The troop compartment is equipped with viewing devices in the sides

Also around the perimeter of the habitable volume are loopholes

The tower with a gun 2А72 and a machine gun PKTM

Tower combat module

Feed module

PKTM machine gun in armor cover

Opto-electronic combat module system

Comments

[Professor]

In the foreseeable future, the Russian armed forces will continue to operate the BTR-80 armored personnel carriers and other equipment based on them.

What for? Criminal defense, weak weapons ...

[Felix1]

where are the monitors, the module control system or everything from 80s?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: professor

What for? Criminal defense, weak weapons ...

The concept of using armored personnel carriers differs from the real use of them. And these machines were created for one purpose - the transportation of infantry after the tanks. And we use them as patrol cars. But there are tendencies to replace the APCs as patrol, the same Typhoons and Tigers.
All of the above does not cancel the doctrine of the use of armored personnel carriers, and the need for its modernization.

[cth; fyn]

The weapon is just very good for armored personnel carriers, but the defense is not so hot if he is ambushed by any fly that pierces him. And let's not confuse armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, if it is considered as an infantry fighting vehicle, it is indeed a very weak weapon.

[PROHOJIY]

Protection is as ordered.
For example, at the very beginning of the release of the Tigers, the military ordered a car with the 3rd protection class, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs - from the 6th. Got two different tigers. Then, after fighting with Lynx, the army also ordered a normal protection class

[Dam]

And where do you order them? Money was worth, and the resource was not exhausted. Until they sell or race to death, they will use

[Professor]

Quote: Damm

And where do you order them? Money was worth, and the resource was not exhausted. Until they sell or race to death, they will use

Let’s then take the T-34 from the warehouses. Money was worth, and the resource was not exhausted. Until they sell or race to death, they will use ...

[GRAY]

Quote: professor

Let’s then take the T-34 from the warehouses.

It will be necessary - povyskivaem.

[Professor]

Quote: GRAY

It will be necessary - povyskivaem.

If you have to pull out the T-34, then it will be too late to drink Borjomi.

[GRAY]

Quote: professor

If you have to pull out the T-34, then it will be too late to drink Borjomi.

In the winter of 1941, all the forces of the Red Army were thrown to the defense of Moscow against the enemy. Excess reserves were not at all. And they were required. For example, the sixteenth army, which was exsanguinated by losses in the area of ​​Solnechnogorsk.

This army was not led by a marshal, but a desperate commander Konstantin Rokossovsky. Feeling that without a dozen cannons, the defense of Solnechnogorsk would fall, he turned to Zhukov for help. Zhukov refused - all forces were involved. Then the tireless Lieutenant-General Rokossovsky sent a request to Stalin himself. The expected, but no less sad, response was immediate - there was no reserve. True, Joseph Vissarionovich mentioned that there may be several dozen canned cannons that took part in the Russian-Turkish war. These guns were museum exhibits attributed to the Dzerzhinsky Military Artillery Academy.

After several days of searching, an employee of this academy was found. An old professor, almost the same age as these guns, spoke about the place of conservation of howitzers in the suburbs. So the front received several dozen old cannons, which played an important role in the defense of the capital.

[Professor]

Quote: GRAY

So the front received several dozen old cannons, which played an important role in the defense of the capital.

The bike is everything. What role could several tens of old cannons play in the defense of Moscow? A lot of noise? Duc and without them it was noisy.
In the Moscow direction, a band of about 800 km was defended by troops of the Western, Bryansk, and Reserve fronts, which numbered about 1 people, more than 10,5 thousand guns and mortars (of which about 1200 anti-tank), 1044 tanks. In addition, during the defense of Moscow, 21 militia divisions with a total of 200 people, 000 reserve divisions with a total of 14 people, 120 guard divisions of the airborne forces, 000 divisions withdrawn from Siberia were involved. Also - 6 tank divisions of incomplete composition, 9 separate tank battalions of incomplete composition. Also - Moscow air defense aviation as part of 2 air divisions.

[Sergey2160]

These old guns made a rustle! Long-range howitzers put on direct fire against tanks, completely tearing off the towers from heavy German tanks! Read the story they did their job with the highest rating!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: professor

Until they sell or race to death, they will use ...

You can use junk in exercises.
And how many t-34s are alive? Except for the museums?

[Rock616]

Tell me, but the case was not "easy" from the t-54, t-55 riveted BMP, or have you heard ???

[cth; fyn]

Let’s then take the T-34 from the warehouses. Money was worth, and the resource was not exhausted. Until they sell or race to death, they will use ...

but it seems to me that the professor is right, I think that old tigers can either be modernized or sent for storage.

[anti-Semite]

we do not have in stock t 34

[EvilLion]

Do it yourself, as you see fit, and we should not only fight with stupid Arabs.

[anti-Semite]

your intention is armed with a machine gun in general, and the m113 is no better protected, so it’s not for you to give advice

[inkass_98]

I agree with the Professor. Why retrofit a knowingly weakly protected machine? The armament was strengthened, but the armor remained at the same ridiculous level. Where can such a machine be sent? Is that in the explosives, the furry snouts to drive around the settlements, where they do not have grenade launchers and large-caliber machine guns. If the transition to "Armata" and "Kurgantsy" is planned, then the old armored personnel carriers should be withdrawn from the army or painted and sold to those who still need such equipment.

[GRAY]

Quote: inkass_98

Where can such a machine be sent?

You can send to where you can’t send heavy. Russian nature is diverse, you know, not like in all Israel.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

Leave them only for reconnaissance, marines. And a certain amount for cases of crossing large rivers. For normal motorized rifle units, they are too lightly armored.

[would]

Then that it is significantly cheaper than buying new ones. Of course, those who solved this, I suspect, were not particularly worried about the lives of soldiers, efficiency of use, etc.

[Gsxr1300rr]

Quote: professor

What for?

I remember my question to one of the military men - "why do we in our unit have no PNV and normal optics, the equipment is so old?"
He replied - "There is a crisis in the country, there is not enough money.", Got into PRADO GXL and left.
In Primorye, another BTR-60 is used, only this is a secret))

[Professor]

Quote: Gsxr1300rr

He replied - "There is a crisis in the country, there is not enough money."

I do not believe. When there is little money, they do not forgive the debt of $ 10 billion and do not make the winter Olympics in the subtropics. Looks like the generals know that no one else knows, and it's not about military secrets.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: professor

and don’t do the winter Olympics in the subtropics.

Do you know that Krasnaya Polyana (Sochi), where the Winter Olympics were held, was the snowiest place in the USSR?
Yes, and the Olympics passed on the lack of snow, no one complained. Or do you have other information? Share, I, as a resident of the city of Sochi, are interested in hearing about this.
By the way,
in August I went to Kardyvach (just above Krasnaya Polyana) - in the morning there was drizzle on the grass and thin ice on the tent.

[Professor]

Quote: Bad_gr

Yes, and the Olympics passed on the lack of snow, no one complained. Or do you have other information? Share, I, as a resident of the city of Sochi, are interested in hearing about this.

Of course I didn’t complain. As a resident of Sochi, you should know where you purchased the machines for production. artificial snow.

Quote: Bad_gr

By the way,
in August I went to Kardyvach (just above Krasnaya Polyana) - in the morning there was drizzle on the grass and thin ice on the tent.

You take care of yourself. Do not frost out the protruding parts.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: professor

Of course I didn’t complain. You, as a resident of Sochi, should know where they bought machines for the production of artificial snow. wink

Well ... ?
it would be foolish to hope only for the weather. Therefore, machines were purchased, and reserves of natural snow were made in special storages.
But if there was a plus temperature, then only the capabilities of snow machines would be enough unless the kids were entertaining, but certainly not for holding international competitions.

Of course, if it’s more convenient for you to think that without the Israeli snow machines the Sochi Winter Olympics would not have taken place, then for God's sake, think.
But this is not true.

[Professor]

Quote: Bad_gr

Well ... ?
it would be foolish to hope only for the weather. Therefore, machines were purchased, and reserves of natural snow were made in special storages.

Why such a waste in the subtropics if, as you say, there is frost in August and the snowiest place in the USSR. I don’t remember that Canadians bought such equipment for their Olympics.

Quote: Bad_gr

But if there was a positive temperature, then only the capabilities of snow machines would be enough unless the kids were entertaining, but certainly not for holding international competitions.

Positive temperature in the subtropics? Nonsense.

Quote: Bad_gr

Of course, if it’s more convenient for you to think that without the Israeli snow machines the Sochi Winter Olympics would not have taken place due to lack of snow, then for God's sake, think.
But this is not true.

And here is Israel. Snow can be purchased in winter, not only in Israel.

Only the fact that the money is not enough for the right weapons ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: professor

Positive temperature in the subtropics? Nonsense

Not nonsense, but Sochi. They sunbathed on the beaches, and the Winter Olympics took place in the mountains and people ran in hats.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: professor

Why such a waste in the subtropics if, as you say, there is frost in August and the snowiest place in the USSR.

Sochi (Kardyvach) June month. As I wrote, Krasnaya Polyana is nearby.

[Bad_gr]

Krasnaya Polyana. Pictures are not new, but the view on them is quite typical for this area in winter.

[Professor]

Cool photos. I want to find one normal one that can explain to me why the Winter Olympics in the subtropics are cheaper than the Winter Olympics in the north of Russia.

[GRAY]

Quote: professor

why the winter olympiad in subtropics is cheaper than the winter olympiad in the north of Russia.

What for who needs a complex of Olympic-class sports facilities with hotels and other rubbish in the north of Russia?
Who will go there?
But Sochi is still a resort and this is a win-win option.
The other day, by the way, the Russian Grand Prix of Formula 1 passed there.

[Professor]

Quote: GRAY

What for who needs a complex of Olympic-class sports facilities with hotels and other rubbish in the north of Russia?
Who will go there?

And so the complex in Sochi is now pushing everything together since it is initially unprofitable? What did Novosibirsk not please you?

Quote: GRAY

But Sochi is still a resort and this is a win-win option.

Winnings for how many billion dollars?

[GRAY]

Quote: professor

What did Novosibirsk not please you?

I wrote to you higher than.
The complex is intended not only for winter sports.

Quote: professor

Winnings for how many billion dollars?

Not more expensive than the prestige of the country.

- Prof, do not tell me when the Olympics in Israel will be held?

[Professor]

Quote: GRAY

- Prof, do not tell me when the Olympics in Israel will be held?

Never. Who will give Israel such an event?


PS
The country's prestige consists of the level and life expectancy of its citizens, and not grandiose shows.

[GRAY]

Quote: professor

The country's prestige consists of the level and life expectancy of its citizens, and not grandiose shows.

And where is the show? The Olympics ended, but the facilities remained and are used.
There are more than one international competition will take place.
You have nothing of the kind, so eat your matzo and don't get sick.
Stadiums are still under construction for the World Cup, and you can count billions there

[Professor]

Quote: GRAY

And where is the show? The Olympics ended, but the facilities remained and are used.

So do not cry that there is no money for equipment. Looks like there are more important "objects".

Quote: GRAY

There are more than one international competition will take place.

Wow ...

Quote: GRAY

You have nothing of the kind, so eat your matzo and don't get sick.

Why not? There is a ski resort, there is an ice rink. But this is not the main thing. Yours go to us for treatment and chew matzos, not ours to you. And this is more important than all sporting events in the world combined.

Quote: GRAY

Stadiums are still under construction for the World Cup, and you can count billions there

So we have no taxes in the world tank T-72 will be observed for another 20 years.

[GRAY]

Quote: professor

So do not cry that there is no money for equipment. Looks like there are more important "objects".

And I'm not crying. There are more important "objects" - ground, mine, etc.

. Yours go to us for treatment and chew matzos, not ours to you.

Our people go a lot. This is all coming, maybe you will come to us someday.

So we have no taxes in the world, the T-72 will be observed for another 20 years. Tongue

More. They will be removed from service, but you still have to observe them.

[Professor]

Quote: GRAY

And I'm not crying. There are more important "objects" - ground, mine, etc.

Your cry. See above.

Quote: GRAY

Our people go a lot. This is all coming, maybe you will come to us someday.

Not everything is coming. There are eternal values. For example, children's health.

Quote: GRAY

More. They will be removed from service, but you still have to observe them.

No. Of our neighbors, this tank was only in Syria, but how can we all contemplate there they burn faster than a workaholic.

[GRAY]

Quote: professor

Your cry. See above.

For many it is chronic, I personally see no reason to refuse the opportunity to save. BTR of these we have to hell; cut them into needles - so, stupid business simple.
Many people think that the army should be armed with self-propelled bunkers, but this is actually not the case - they get stuck in Russian shit and we have many rivers, and there are swamps even in Moscow.

Quote: professor

but how can we all contemplate there they burn faster than a workaholic at work.

All tanks are on fire.

[anti-Semite]

in Yemen abrams are burning in Lebanon merkava was burning what next?

[anti-Semite]

at the time of its appearance, the t72 really had no analogues how much we will see it is not your business and your fellow tribesmen will be treated to you and you don’t have to think that those rich Jews from Russia are Russians

[anti-Semite]

Well then, Qatar is the greatest country on earth))))) the highest GDP per capita

[anti-Semite]

and how many of these billions of yours that this topic has bothered you so much? what do you care about our olympiad you are not a citizen of Russia not Russian by nationality? what did you take our money to count?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: professor

can explain to me why the winter olympiad in subtropics is cheaper than the winter olympiad in the north of Russia

The question was not where it was cheaper, it could be held at the North Pole, almost for nothing if you follow your logic.
The question was to carry out GOOD. And this was done. The opponents by the number of medals remained far in the ass. Let's not forget that while the oil was being prepared, it cost a hundred, which means there was no reason to save, there was enough money. Now there would still be a World Cup been through.....

[Professor]

Quote: Pilat2009

Now I would have survived the World Cup .....

Easy. Freeze pensions for another 10 years and all businesses. What can you not do for the "prestige" of the country ...

[cth; fyn]

And here the professor is right, although not in everything, but in many ways. There is money in the country, otherwise we would not have been promoting our interests for the past 2 years, but would have sat and kept quiet about the prosperity of the economy.

[anti-Semite]

with your fellow tribesmen in power in the 90s, we didn’t pay pensions of half a year, so after the Jewish government, freezing for a year is a small thing

[Bad_gr]

Quote: professor

Cool photos. I want to find one normal one that can explain to me why the Winter Olympics in the subtropics are cheaper than the Winter Olympics in the north of Russia.

So it seems he explained everything:
the snowiest place in Russia (and even more so in the USSR)
+ southern resort,
Moreover, all this in one city.

What else needs to be explained?
Or do you think that where there is a lot of frost there and a lot of snow?

[Professor]

Quote: Bad_gr

So it seems he explained everything:

I want to find one normal one that can explain to me why the winter Olympics in the subtropics cheaper Winter Olympics in the north of Russia.

The snowiest place in Russia - Klukhor pass in Karachay-Cherkessia

[Bad_gr]

Quote: professor

The snowiest place in Russia - Klukhor pass in Karachay-Cherkessia

And if in the search the phrase "the snowiest place in Russia" is supplemented with the phrase "season", then you will find
"The snowiest place: Aibga (Krasnodar Territory) - 200 cm snow cover." (http://meteoclub.ru/lite.php?id=4647&t=27-29+%FF%ED%E2)
And Aibga is:

"The Aibga ridge is a mountain range east of Krasnaya Polyana, on the territory of the Sochi National Park. It consists of four peaks: Aibga I, Aibga II, Aibga III and Black Pyramid peak [1].

On the northern slopes of the ridge there are ski resorts "Alpika-Service" (opened in 1992 [2]), "Gornaya Karusel" (opened in 2008 [3]) and "Rosa Khutor" ..... "

[tchoni]

Quote: professor

Cool photos. I want to find one normal one that can explain to me why the Winter Olympics in the subtropics are cheaper than the Winter Olympics in the north of Russia.

Because heating at minus 5 and at minus 35 are two big differences. And in the subtropics this should be done for 3 months and in the north 9.
July in the Arkhangelsk region, you know whether the lathere may be +25, or maybe +10.
And about the complex in Sochi - a great place. I recommend a trip in the winter - you definitely will not lose.

[Professor]

Quote: tchoni

And about the complex in Sochi - a great place. I recommend a trip in the winter - you definitely will not lose.

Take snow with you? No, I'm old-fashioned in the Alps.

[tchoni]

no. That year was just two days in March - I really liked it. For this new year, I want to hang out there more thoroughly.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: tchoni

And about the complex in Sochi - a great place. I recommend a trip in the winter - you definitely will not lose.

Quote: professor

Take snow with you? No, I'm old-fashioned in the Alps.

Dear professor, you gave me advice here, so as not to freeze, let me give you advice. You wouldn’t travel to the Alps, and you would invest the saved money in a more modern computer with a screen. Your current one is apparently on punch cards, without a screen, and does not allow you to watch photos that I posted on this topic, answering your questions about this very snow.

[anti-Semite]

in Finland, they bought you the Israelis, what's the difference?

[anti-Semite]

But what exactly do you care about our Olympics? you didn't seem to give a damn about similar events in other countries, but it was ours that caused such hysteria and where did you have such a passion for counting money in someone else’s pocket?

[Sergey2160]

The fact is that these chosen ones are always confused with someone else's pocket. They will calibrate them as expected, and they will not confuse more rams!

[tchoni]

I wouldn’t be so categorical as a professor, but the direction of modernization of the machine’s tributary indicates an attempt to turn it into a light wheeled tank with the possibility of transporting infantry (in other words, IFVs are light rather than armored personnel carriers. For if you were going to make armored personnel carriers (which, as you know, parts to carry, and should almost not support it), then if you please correct the 80ki flaws just like armored personnel carriers, i.e., a tight landing, uncomfortable entry-exit, weak mine protection (the latter, at least by installing anti-reloading seats.)

[cosmos111]

Quote: tchoni

(the latter, at least due to the installation of anti-overload seats.)

Vital Seating Systems mine protection seats include a system to maintain the blood circulation of personnel who remain seated for a long time ((taking care of soldiers)))

it is possible to strengthen mine protection, due to removable invoice armor ...
use technology 2-th armored bottom ... with a flat bottom BBM ....

energy propagation of a blast wave, with the impact on the bottom of an armored car and landing ... with a break in the bottom .... STANAG 2в

with lateral undermining of BBM

[cosmos111]

BBM, Cougar H 4x4,6x6, in the event of a detonation of a land mine ...

if such, or even 50%, in T / E, explodes under an armored personnel carrier-82, there will be a complete **** and our armored personnel carriers are now in Syria ...
this armored car is not for a modern asymmetric war .... too vulnerable ....

[Wolka]

I think the overall BTR-82 lineup is flawed, the high silhouette of the combat module greatly unmasks the car, it is better that the main engine is located in the central part, the landing compartment is completely in the rear with the rear common large ramp going down, 2 emergency hatches from above + from below, central location armchairs for the landing, paratroopers should sit facing the sides (loopholes), fastening the seats to the top panel, and much more on the little things, but the BTR-82 is definitely not a solution, we need a new car ...

[agbykov]

This is when in the BTR-60 / 70 / 80 shooter operator was in the tower?

[mitrich]

And judging by the video on the Internet, they are already being run in Syria. And judging by the Russian language, with our guys inside. I wonder what will be the result of the tests?

[AUL]

Question to the experts.
Why are there armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles simultaneously in the world?
Yes, they have different tasks. The APCs are taken to the battlefield, and the BMP is involved in the battle. Well, people came to the armored personnel carrier to fight on this very battlefield, but where to get the BMP? So, someone should fit them there. Who! Where from? And why then push them empty, and bring people on armored personnel carriers. And where to hide armored personnel carriers during the battle? And after the battle, does the infantry transfer to the APC again? And what about BMP? And how to deal with unexpected turns of the situation? Deep breakthrough or, conversely, retreat? In short, I do not understand anything using these two types of machines. Please explain to the illiterate!

[serg2108]

I remember 1999 - Dagestan, 2000 Chechnya ... and I want to swear at all the generals and designers of this machine .. for the soldiers it is not adapted at all, landing and disembarking from it is like throwing your whole body under a tank and waiting for something not good ... you go to cleanup only on the armor and in general, it’s time to remove this instance from service or modify it taking into account the installation of the engine in front, protection of at least 12,7 around the entire perimeter, the output is now being demonstrated for all promising cars at the back ............. and better take it faster new items in service and bring them to mind ......

[loha]

it’s a pity that we decided to save on armored glass, the trip hatchways are simply welded up, triplex driving is not much more convenient, as well as leaning out of the hatch. In short, an attempt to make an armored personnel carrier BMP

[Termit1309]

Quote: inkass_98

I agree with the Professor. Why upgrade a knowingly insecure machine? The armament was strengthened, but the armor remained at the same ridiculous level. Where can such a machine be sent?

The professor can hang out on the site as he wants, but whatever he says, it does not cancel the use of his country's armed forces as the main APC of the machine with equal protection and much worse weapons. I'm about the M-113. Which his country received in fact for free. And which by the way are vigorously and constantly modernizing.
So ask him a question about simple Jewish guys who were burned in vain in tins. And where in this case did the money saved at the Olympics go.

[Professor]

Quote: Termit1309

And which by the way is cheerful and constantly upgrades.

It does not upgrade, but sends it for scrap.

So ask him a question about simple Jewish guys who were burned in vain in tins. And where in this case did the money saved at the Olympics go.

On the healthcare system. Life expectancy in Israel is 82.27, and in Russia 70.47.

[anti-Semite]

this information greatly helped kebabs in m113

[ingenera]

Quote: cth; fyn

The weapon is just very good for armored personnel carriers, but the defense is not so hot if he is ambushed by any fly that pierces him. And let's not confuse armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, if it is considered as an infantry fighting vehicle, it is indeed a very weak weapon.

And if the tank is ambushed? This is an armored TRANSPORTER, that is, an armored vehicle, Transport! If a stupid commander throws this equipment to storm a fortified and well-armed point, then this is not the trouble of the machine’s designers, but of this commander and his subordinates. And protection against accidental bullets and fragments is sufficient.