The Ministry of Defense is studying the issue of creating a scientific company under the Central Archive

The Russian Defense Ministry plans to form a unit on the basis of the Central Archive to expose the facts of falsification of the military stories, newspaper Vzglyad reports with reference to Interfax.




“The question of creating a small scientific unit - a company under the Central Archive of the War Department - is being worked out”- A representative of the military department informed the agency.

He noted that "young specialists will study, first of all, the history of the Second World War, the facts related to the falsification of the victory of the Soviet people during the Great Patriotic War, and other events in the life and history of the Armed Forces."

The newspaper reminds that the idea of ​​creating a scientific mouth belongs to Sergei Shoigu. In 2013, he proposed to form units in which talented young people would be engaged in science for the benefit of the defense industry of the Russian Federation.
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  1. Reserve buildbat 13 October 2015 17: 43 New
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    A good idea, but with such a mass of falsifications and such a volume of documents, there is no need for a company there, but a battalion at least
    1. hedgehog in the fog 13 October 2015 17: 57 New
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      even a whole regiment
      1. vladimirZ 13 October 2015 18: 22 New
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        Another stupid not serving Minister of Defense. There were already "scientific", "production", now "archival".
        What is the "archival" scientific company? Become scientists for years. What can these conscripts do in a year, even in the archive? Before you need to go to the archive, you need to set your own goal, to determine the topic, to graduate from graduate school, to study and understand the methodology and skills of scientific work.
        And here, what? "Scientists" - will be appointed archivists on orders?

        Damn, I do not understand the logic of these "reformers". I see only one creation of "greenhouse" conditions of service for the "redeemed", thieves, sons of senior officials, to put a tick in the questionnaire "served" for the future high-ranking civil service.
        1. moskowit 13 October 2015 19: 10 New
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          Totally agree with you. There will be no sense. Such work on the "autopilot" can not be done. Archivists are great ascetics. Let's rephrase Vladimir Mayakovsky,

          "Archival work, the same mining of radium.
          Mountains of work, and grams of work ... "
          1. Altona 13 October 2015 23: 26 New
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            Quote: moskowit
            Archivists are great ascetics.

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            Albert Einstein, for example ... Worked in the patent office, clerical work, with a heap of paper, as in the archive ...
        2. kilodn 13 October 2015 19: 18 New
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          Duck there will not be called to the collective farmers, but graduates of the corresponding departments, for example, well, and under the guidance of scientific staff, I think conscripts will work well in the positions of laboratory assistants and researchers for the benefit of the homeland and science.
        3. Kilo-11 13 October 2015 19: 59 New
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          Comrade S. Shoigu creates another warm place for all sorts of thieves, but the boys will have a record "he served in the army", which is so necessary for the career of an official. It is interesting what other companies Comrade S. Shoigu will come up with, for example, geographical or collective farm. it seems that the Minister of Defense is just playing soldiers, not understanding at the same time what a responsible and difficult area of ​​work he is entrusted with.
          1. Firstvanguard 14 October 2015 04: 23 New
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            Quote: Kilo-11
            Comrade S. Shoigu creates another warm place for all sorts of thieves, but the boys will have a record "he served in the army", which is so necessary for the career of an official. It is interesting what other companies Comrade S. Shoigu will come up with, for example, geographical or collective farm. it seems that the Minister of Defense is just playing soldiers, not understanding at the same time what a responsible and difficult area of ​​work he is entrusted with.

            Sergey Kuzhegetovich, slowly but surely, creates a social elevator, similar to what was under Joseph Vissarionovich. Not as large as within the framework of one MO, but still. And you probably judge his actions by yourself, or you don’t see / do not know historical parallels. soldier
            1. Kilo-11 14 October 2015 13: 37 New
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              What does it mean to judge? Share an idea. And what kind of “social elevator” does Mr. S. Shoigu create? Is it likely that all these scientific companies give a good life start to talented young people ?! If so, then they’re already starting to build all kinds of scientific companies "talented" boys "respected people." The sun’s function is to protect the country from an external enemy / aggression /, and not in scientific and production activities. The entire daily service of the sun is subordinate to one goal - "studies military affairs in the present" as he said in due time comrade V.I. Lenin. This is what a young man should learn during military service during drafting in the Armed Forces, rather than delving into archives or inventing a bicycle. In the Armed Forces there are civilian personnel outside the Armed Forces. Now it seems to be valid 5-6 scientific and other similar companies, and there could be 2-3 motorized rifle companies. Compare the activities of Mr. S. Shoigu with the activities of Comrade I think that it’s simply not appropriate to JV Stalin. Yes, and what significant thing did Mr. S. Shoigu as Minister of Defense, in my opinion, not what Comrade Comrade did for the VS I think Stalin does not need to be reminded.
        4. Buffalo 13 October 2015 20: 35 New
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          Well, scientists do not immediately become scientists, but not scientists in the company, but those who will type text from archival documents into an electronic database. For example - reports of irreparable losses l / s. Personal cards for prisoners of concentration camps, filled with German pedantry. The amount of information is large, things are moving slowly ...
          I already got something on their website about my dead ancestors.
          http://www.obd-memorial.ru/Memorial/Memorial.html
          I would like about everyone, but no matter how many queries I type, the result is zero.
        5. Reserve buildbat 13 October 2015 20: 57 New
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          Have you tried to work in the archive? I worked there and I can say for sure that there is a lot of work that students are capable of doing. By the way, you can take archivist students into these companies. And they will be able to carry out most of the preparatory work, although of course no one will give them scientific works.
          1. ssn18 13 October 2015 21: 24 New
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            "student archivists"

            It would be more correct to be "student archivists"
            1. Reserve buildbat 14 October 2015 11: 12 New
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              “It would be more correct” just “students-archivists”.
              The archivist is a specialty, and the archivist is a position.
        6. Altona 13 October 2015 23: 29 New
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          Quote: vladimirZ
          What can these conscripts do in a year, even in the archive?

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          I agree with you ... I think it will be more useless if they stupidly digitize the archive and create a program for using these digital copies ... And over time, they will create a website so that anyone can see copies of documents without physically coming to this repository ...
          1. Amurets 14 October 2015 01: 13 New
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            I also had to deal with the work of archives and archivists. Only hundreds of pieces of paper are scanned during registration. I read about the Podolsk archives of the Moscow Region. So there are documents that didn’t touch at all. It’s mainly about the lower archives of the beginning of the war. This is work for a student scientific company .All to disassemble and digitize. And maybe among these documents not parsed there is a topic for interesting scientific work.
        7. mealnik2005 14 October 2015 00: 00 New
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          The Russian Ministry of Defense has denied reports by several media about the creation in 2016 at the Central Archive of the defense department of a "scientific company" to combat falsifiers of history.
    2. chunga-changa 13 October 2015 18: 17 New
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      Yes there and so the division of “cool guys from history” hangs out without any exhaust, there is an archive, but there is no work with it. We need to work with documents, publish collections of documents, summary tables, reviews, etc., and the "scientists" there are purely watchmen at an abandoned construction site, "they keep order." I hope at least young people will do something there.
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      Tor5 13 October 2015 19: 44 New
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      It's a good thing, it was high time to create such companies, but to exclude custom-made falsifications.
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  2. morozik 13 October 2015 17: 46 New
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    trust in no one else)) ... except for the military !!!
  3. tchoni 13 October 2015 17: 46 New
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    The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?
    1. vorobey 13 October 2015 17: 55 New
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      Quote: tchoni
      The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?


      this is not the point here .. as I understand it, scientists also need to serve an emergency ... a nuclear physicist, for example, can go through a very good practice or a roadman .. and take a baumanka ... and then VPKashniki will arrange a brainhunt ... I I think so...

      A philosopher came to me after the institute ... which of them was a mechanic (I mainly prepared mechvods), but he issued combat sheets - the battalion commander read and cried with emotion. and the forms I always had were in order and other documentation ... but as a mechanic, zero, not given ...
      1. Amurets 14 October 2015 01: 40 New
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        The army helped me with the profession. The commission did not go to the military school. And after the army it was already clearly defined. The guys who served with us were expelled from military schools. I met one after work. And I went by profession, which I started to study at the school, and practical I understood the work. I was the author of the invention, and the candidate of technical sciences. So, to understand whether you got there, whether you chose the profession in these scientific companies you will understand faster than in civilian life. By the way, in my time, graduates of institutes also served for a year.
    2. Aleks28 13 October 2015 18: 02 New
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      Quote: tchoni
      Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

      If a company, then it means conscripts? There are officer companies ... There will be guys with higher education sitting and digging in the archives, just the unit will be called a company. And get a salary, and live at home, well, etc.
      1. tchoni 13 October 2015 20: 22 New
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        Quote: Alex28
        If a company, then it means conscripts? There are officer companies ...

        What difference does a lieutenant of conscript call or ordinary? - serves a year - leaves - forgets. One joy - it will remain a cricket - it will sign a contract - these can and should be worked on. And, you know, they worked before. There was a system of military research institutes, where personnel and jackets were shared almost equally. But, thanks to Mr. Taburetkin - the system is almost poher .. how to reduce non-core assets. And now we don’t know how to revive.
        1. Amurets 14 October 2015 01: 49 New
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          I fully support! I read an amazing phrase from Ernest Krenkel: “If a person chose the profession and wife, life was happy.” And it seems to me that there is a chance to check yourself, and whether you chose the right one.
    3. Alexey RA 13 October 2015 18: 09 New
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      Quote: tchoni
      The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

      Isaev wrote at bmpd yesterday that the archives are full of work even for such “yearbooks” - long and tedious, which does not require academic knowledge, but for which not so many staff have no time.
      1. tchoni 13 October 2015 20: 23 New
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        Quote: Alexey RA
        Isaev wrote at bmpd yesterday that the archives are full of work even for such “yearbooks” - long and tedious, which does not require academic knowledge, but for which not so many staff have no time.

        As for the archive - I do not know. Perhaps there is no one to carry carts with literature there - but for this a tower is not needed. Ordinary soldier-PTUshnik handle.
    4. venaya 13 October 2015 20: 02 New
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      Quote: tchoni
      The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. ...

      I will try to disagree with you. Take a look
      only for graduates of historical faculties, not to mention the staff of libraries and scientific institutions. Almost every first of them is a clear member of a secret society. Has the experience of the foreign freemason Karamzin still not taught anyone. Young unspoiled blood should be poured into the community, then there can be much less saboteurs there. I’m just saying from my own personal experience that it’s very difficult to even communicate with them there, try it yourself. The cat wept for normal, honest figures there, it is precisely them that we know by name, the rest are busy only with what actively interferes with a sober understanding of the past.
      1. tchoni 13 October 2015 20: 24 New
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        If we consider this as an educational institution - the same shot in the milk - for the result, the coverage should be somewhat wider.
    5. Firstvanguard 14 October 2015 04: 34 New
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      Quote: tchoni
      The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

      This is a biased attitude and stereotype of a conscript soldier. I’ll tell you a secret, among people who enter the army for military service, not everyone is gouging with a three-year middle corridor. There are those who failed to enter the university for some reason, etc. but there is great potential, for them this is a chance. One term is a small social elevator. There is another point in this structure, young and enthusiastic people are spared the pressure of academic science.
      Do not consider yourself smarter than S. Kuzhegetovich and the whole team in which he works. This is not a guide team.
  4. Chak 13 October 2015 17: 50 New
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    Students will be using pitchforks to shovel the counterfeit))) The main thing is not to forget to put on chemical protection with gas masks, otherwise young animals can be expected! There were cases in fecal collectors))))
    1. Minstrel 13 October 2015 19: 00 New
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      Quote: ChAK
      Will students rake forged and forks shovels

      This is all for intimidating a potential enemy. Remember the old joke about the American general, who was afraid that the Russians would abandon selected special forces units called “construction battalion” against his brigade? And these are such animals that they are not even given machine guns - they fight with their bare hands and shovels.
      1. Chak 13 October 2015 20: 19 New
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        That's for sure! And students are generally beasts! )))
    2. Chak 13 October 2015 20: 24 New
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      And what is the minus? What did the counterfeit compare with feces? Well, call, if anyone offended by this))))
  5. gomer 13 October 2015 17: 51 New
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    Why not. Must faculty give a return. This is a big front of activity.
  6. s.melioxin 13 October 2015 17: 51 New
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    ... in which talented young people would be engaged in science for the benefit of the defense industry of the Russian Federation
    And for the benefit of all of Russia. And that means Us with you. Good luck to you.
  7. olimpiada15 13 October 2015 18: 03 New
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    Shoigu well done! Young people must know the truth, so that the new generation cannot be deceived by all Western verbiage.
  8. rererilka 13 October 2015 18: 03 New
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    Here, somehow, it was against scientific companies, but in the archive, for what
    This, if a hundred young and greyhounds, in tyrnets, with justification, archival and documentary, the trolls will begin to beat, in the same place request , to them, an earth globe, with a matchbox, it seems, in which, another fifth corner must be found laughing
  9. Prutkov 13 October 2015 18: 04 New
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    Today, the "battle for the historical past" is just flaring up. We need good popularizers of history, like Pikul, Balashov. The same Elderberry (one can disagree with many of his ideas) was an excellent popularizer of history for the middle and below the average intellectual level. For this he was killed. While his name is well known, it is necessary to publish more of his articles. The war for the past begins.
    1. Chak 13 October 2015 20: 23 New
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      I agree!!! Since the advent of Gorbach, everything has been left to the Western "historians", they themselves only baptized, repented, and asked for forgiveness. And now they have received a boomerang "grave of an indebted rapist."
  10. sl22277 13 October 2015 18: 05 New
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    This could be entrusted to the departments of military history of academies and schools. Naturally, it is much more attractive for an ordinary guy of draft age to serve his assigned one-year term at a computer, rather than making march-throws with a gas mask and standing up nights on guard. It is clear that service in the scientific company will be very attractive to “thieves” conscripts. Which will dramatically increase the contests in those faculties, where will the set. Can you imagine what lobbying struggle will unfold among universities for the right to cooperate with the Ministry of Defense? It will look like a military service for selected graduates or students of prestigious universities.
    1. rererilka 13 October 2015 18: 40 New
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      Quote: sl22277
      It will look like a military service for selected graduates or students of prestigious universities.

      I don’t care, let’s do what’s better at the edge, although they won’t slow down the platoon on a throw, Caesar-Cesarean, locksmith-Locksmith, you can’t even make a soldier from a nerd, but, how many forces and nerves of sergeants and your there, and here, somehow drinks
  11. Tatyana 13 October 2015 18: 07 New
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    The Ministry of Defense is studying the issue of creating a scientific company under the Central Archive
    Good thing.
    However, the question still remains: in what ideological direction will those in power in the Russian Federation "their" army military archivists-historians will be persuaded? Will the company be truly scientifically sound or with a touch of bias?
    Indeed, the supply of historical material is always interpreted from the position of the interests of the ruling class under the EXISTING social system!
    In any case, now such a company will be needed.
  12. Old26 13 October 2015 18: 10 New
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    Quote: rererilka
    This, if a hundred young and greyhounds, in tyrnets, with justification, archival and documentary, the trolls will start beating, in the same place and in the same place, to them, the earth globe, from matchboxes, it will seem, in which, another fifth corner need to

    First of all, these should be involved in the dismantling of the archives of the Ministry of Defense. And then in Podolka, as they say a huge array of unassembled documents on World War II. Put things in order, digitize archives and put them in free access (of course, what you can). Then those who wish to falsify will be reduced, since there will always be facts against them
    1. moskowit 13 October 2015 19: 04 New
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      "With your lips, yes honey."
  13. Laksamana besar 13 October 2015 18: 10 New
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    This year will create two new research and production companies in Tambov and Sevastopol for 50 people. In Tambov they will work at an enterprise engaged in the production of electronic warfare equipment, in Sevastopol at a ship repair plant. Moreover, in Sevastopol in the autumn draft they will take only completely healthy young children with higher education and having a military specialty.
  14. sa-ag 13 October 2015 18: 26 New
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    engage in serious scientific work on a temporary basis?
    1. TanakaKenshin 13 October 2015 23: 22 New
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      Not necessarily serious scientific.
      Breaking mountains of documents into numbers - no need to be Karamzin. The presence of relatively straight arms from the upper torso and the eyes in the orbits is sufficient.
      But this must be done, especially while the documents are still readable. Then it will come out more expensive.
  15. lopvlad 13 October 2015 18: 34 New
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    Quote: vladimirZ
    I see only one creation of "greenhouse" conditions of service for the "redeemed", thieves, sons of senior officials, to put a tick in the questionnaire "served" for the future high-ranking civil service.


    they don’t need a checkmark. They are to blame for learning up to 27 years old and then stupidly receive a soldier who has been laid off, they will also draw a title.

    Just as the children of peasants and workers served, they still serve.
  16. roskot 13 October 2015 18: 36 New
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    The idea is great. I am sure it will be good. We have enough talented youth.
  17. fa2998 13 October 2015 19: 02 New
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    Quote: vladimirZ
    I see only one creation of "greenhouse" conditions of service for the "redeemed", thieves, sons of senior officials, to put a tick in the questionnaire "served" for the future high-ranking civil service.

    I completely agree! What are these “historians” at the age of 18? What “falsification” of the history of the war, if part of the archives is secret or for “official use”! They are declassified by teaspoon on “round” dates (recently, on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the Victory .) YES DISCOVER THE ARCHIVES, AND THESE HISTORIES (AND THERE ARE NOT MUCH IN THE COUNTRY) WILL WRITE A FULL HISTORY OF WAR !! FOR THERE IS not a history of war, but an official interpretation of history that sometimes changes for political reasons. an enemy of the people. And let conscripts serve in normal units, and not "mow down" in the archives. You don’t write me to Rezun’s company, he also wrote a lot of nonsense, but I’m fond of history! hi
  18. solvi 13 October 2015 19: 15 New
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    What difference does it make where they will sit. After all, war is not only in the trenches. Russia should be able to at least give its citizens the opportunity to be confident in their history, because we know it very poorly. And in this case, knowledge is power. If you are without roots, who are you? A leaf torn off by the wind. Now such streams of misinformation are splashing out on Russia everywhere, in all foreign media. This is a very serious matter. Rewriting history is simply a hot topic. And you can not brush it off.
  19. 1536 13 October 2015 19: 17 New
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    You just need to remember that secret documents are stored there. In my opinion, we don’t need our Assangi and Snowden at all. And no fraud will be worth the price you can pay for the leak. It seems that shit-buggers want to silently hang something under this mound that is not supposed to be known.
  20. fa2998 13 October 2015 19: 19 New
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    Quote: Alex28
    There are company companies ... There will be guys with higher education sitting and digging in the archives, just the unit will be called a company. And get a salary, and live at home, well, etc.

    Well, even better! We have nothing more for officers in the Armed Forces to do. Now the functions that civilians successfully do are being reduced a lot. The same cook is paid a salary, and she is happy. And then there are 100-200 officer salaries, for the rank, etc. apartment in Moscow. Live, dig, snag something and do not bother !! negative hi
  21. AdekvatNICK 13 October 2015 19: 21 New
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    then you need to look wider and introduce criminal penalties for falsifying the story ..

    only this will not happen because at all times countries rewrite history for themselves.
  22. Das Boot 13 October 2015 19: 31 New
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    then you need to look wider

    crap ... And nowhere wider ... Sharikov-s.
  23. Sergey-72 13 October 2015 19: 43 New
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    Double sensation. Forthat the nerds will do business under the supervision of leading historians, they will probably be useful, especially since this is their future work. Against - there will be a loophole for thieves-hairy.
  24. afrikanez 13 October 2015 20: 44 New
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    Does our country really lack all kinds of experts, historians and other paper figures? request
  25. pilot bin-bom 13 October 2015 20: 53 New
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    Well, if there is a real fight against counterfeit, then the matter may be necessary, otherwise it may, as in the 1984 novel, they will constantly rewrite history at the direction of Big Brother.
    By the way, I would really like to read genuine documents about the tank battle near Prokhorovka.
  26. Egevich 13 October 2015 21: 12 New
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    I didn’t even hesitate, having read the heading of the article, that a great deal of negativity would flow ... and you, gentlemen of criticism, know how many tons and kilometers of documents are in the Podolsky Central Archive and how many civilian employees work for cheap pennies? Yes, let the Minister of Defense go there whom he wants to drive, at least thieves, at least beggars, if only there would be benefit. And the benefits of such work are huge and incomparable with most comments.
    salary of the archivist - 5370 rubles.
    Document Clerk:
    I category 7 250
    II category 7 110
    not having category 6 600
    taking into account all the premiums, the maximum goes to 17-18 thousand ... do not want to work for the good of the Motherland?
  27. Old26 13 October 2015 21: 17 New
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    Quote: 1536
    You just need to remember that secret documents are stored there. In my opinion, we don’t need our Assangi and Snowden at all. And no fraud will be worth the price you can pay for the leak. It seems that shit-buggers want to silently hang something under this mound that is not supposed to be known.

    Secret documents - this is understandable. But apparently, all of them will be involved in the analysis of archives for the Great Patriotic War, since it is a question of falsification of history. And there, most of the unassembled are unlikely to have strategic significance and are closed by higher vultures. Vulture "secret“He could stand on anything, for example, on a report on losses during a particular operation. And 70 years after the end of the war, this secrecy is no longer relevant. Besides, what prevents them from giving admission form and taking a non-disclosure subscription. Employees in troops such as the Strategic Missile Forces and the like probably have permissions, so I think this is not critical.
  28. Old26 13 October 2015 22: 23 New
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    MOSCOW, October 13. / TASS /. The Russian Ministry of Defense has denied reports from a number of media outlets about the creation in 2016 of the “scientific company” at the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defense to combat history forgers.

    “We did not have any plans to form a special scientific company at the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defense to combat falsifiers of history,” TASS was told in the Russian military department.

    “I want to emphasize that the main goal of creating scientific units in the Armed Forces is to carry out specific scientific and applied tasks in the interests of various military command and control bodies,” said State Secretary and Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Nikolai Pankov.

    The Russian Ministry of Defense has for many years successfully engaged in scientific and research institutions - the Institute of Military History, the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense, and the Office for Perpetuation of the Memory of the Victims of the Defense of the Fatherland - in fundamental issues of military science, including military historical work. There is also a special military unit - the 90th separate special search battalion, in which those conscripts who from their youth were fond of searching and perpetuating the memory of soldiers who died during the Great Patriotic War serve.
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2344697
  29. Stinger 14 October 2015 00: 41 New
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    I wonder who casts these bullets. What kind of mysterious name is it, which the "representative of the military department" informed the agency. What can these jerks of military age refute?