The Ministry of Defense is studying the issue of creating a scientific company under the Central Archive

The Russian Defense Ministry plans to form a unit on the basis of the Central Archive to expose the facts of falsification of the military stories, newspaper Vzglyad reports with reference to Interfax.

“The question of creating a small scientific unit - a company under the Central Archive of the War Department - is being worked out”- A representative of the military department informed the agency.

He noted that "young specialists will study, first of all, the history of the Second World War, the facts related to the falsification of the victory of the Soviet people during the Great Patriotic War, and other events in the life and history of the Armed Forces."

The newspaper reminds that the idea of ​​creating a scientific mouth belongs to Sergei Shoigu. In 2013, he proposed to form units in which talented young people would be engaged in science for the benefit of the defense industry of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[Reserve buildbat]

A good idea, but with such a mass of falsifications and such a volume of documents, there is no need for a company there, but a battalion at least

[hedgehog in the fog]

even a whole regiment

[vladimirZ]

Another nonsense of the Minister of Defense who has not served. There were already "scientific", "industrial", now "archival".
What is the "archival" scientific company? They become scientists for years. What can these "conscripts" do in a year, even in the archive? Before going to the archive, you need to set your own goal, define the topic, unlearn in graduate school, study and understand the methodology and skills of scientific work.
And here, what? Will they be appointed "scientists" - archivists by order?

Damn, I don't understand the logic of these "reformers". I see only one creation of "hothouse" conditions of service for "ransomed", thieves, sons of senior officials, to put a tick in the questionnaire "served" for the future high civil service.

[moskowit]

Totally agree with you. There will be no sense. Such work cannot be performed on "autopilot". Archivists are great devotees. Let's paraphrase Vladimir Mayakovsky a little,

"Archival work, the same extraction of radium.
Mountains of work, and grams of work ... "

[Altona]

Quote: moskowit

Archivists are great ascetics.

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Albert Einstein, for example ... Worked in the patent office, clerical work, with a heap of paper, as in the archive ...

[kilodn]

Duck there will not be called to the collective farmers, but graduates of the corresponding departments, for example, well, and under the guidance of scientific staff, I think conscripts will work well in the positions of laboratory assistants and researchers for the benefit of the homeland and science.

[Kilo-11]

Comrade Sergei Shoigu creates another warm place for all sorts of thugs, but the boys will have a record "served in the army", which is so necessary for the career of an official. I wonder what other companies Comrade Shoigu will come up with, for example, a geographical or a collective farm. the impression is that the Minister of Defense is simply playing with soldiers, without realizing at the same time what responsible and difficult area of ​​work is entrusted to him.

[Firstvanguard]

Quote: Kilo-11

Comrade Sergei Shoigu creates another warm place for all sorts of thugs, but the boys will have a record "served in the army", which is so necessary for the career of an official. I wonder what other companies Comrade Shoigu will come up with, for example, a geographical or a collective farm. the impression is that the Minister of Defense is simply playing with soldiers, without realizing at the same time what responsible and difficult area of ​​work is entrusted to him.

Sergey Kuzhegetovich, slowly but surely, creates a social elevator, similar to what was under Joseph Vissarionovich. Not as large as within the framework of one MO, but still. And you probably judge his actions by yourself, or you don’t see / do not know historical parallels.

[Kilo-11]

What does it mean by yourself to judge? Share your thought. And what kind of "social lift" does Mr. S. Shoigu create? It is likely that all these scientific companies give a good start in life to talented young people ?! If so, then these scientific companies are already beginning to attach all kinds of "talented" boys "respected people". The function of the Armed Forces is to protect the country from an external enemy / aggression /, and not in scientific and production activities. The entire daily service of the Armed Forces is subordinated to one goal - "learning military affairs in a real way" as he said at one time Comrade Lenin: This is what a young man should learn in military affairs during his military service on conscription in the Armed Forces, and not delve into archives or reinvent the wheel. The Armed Forces have civilian personnel for these purposes, outside the Armed Forces there is a whole military-industrial complex. 5-6 scientific and other similar companies, and there could be 2-3 motorized rifle companies. Compare the activities of Mr. S. Shoigu with the activities of Comrade. JV Stalin, I think it is simply not appropriate. Yes, and that such a significant thing did Mr. S. Shoigu as Minister of Defense, in my opinion, nothing that Comrade I do not think it is necessary to remind JV Stalin.

[Buffalo]

Well, scientists do not immediately become scientists, but not scientists in the company, but those who will type text from archival documents into an electronic database. For example - reports of irreparable losses l / s. Personal cards for prisoners of concentration camps, filled with German pedantry. The amount of information is large, things are moving slowly ...
I already got something on their website about my dead ancestors.
http://www.obd-memorial.ru/Memorial/Memorial.html
I would like about everyone, but no matter how many queries I type, the result is zero.

[Reserve buildbat]

Have you tried to work in the archive? I worked there and I can say for sure that there is a lot of work that students are capable of doing. By the way, you can take archivist students into these companies. And they will be able to carry out most of the preparatory work, although of course no one will give them scientific works.

[ssn18]

"student archivists"

How would it be more correct "students-archivists"

[Reserve buildbat]

“It’s more correct” just “student archivists”.
The archivist is a specialty, and the archivist is a position.

[Altona]

Quote: vladimirZ

What can these "conscripts" do in a year, even in the archive?

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I agree with you ... I think it will be more useless if they stupidly digitize the archive and create a program for using these digital copies ... And over time, they will create a website so that anyone can see copies of documents without physically coming to this repository ...

[Amurets]

I also had to deal with the work of archives and archivists. Only hundreds of pieces of paper are scanned during registration. I read about the Podolsk archives of the Moscow Region. So there are documents that didn’t touch at all. It’s mainly about the lower archives of the beginning of the war. This is work for a student scientific company .All to disassemble and digitize. And maybe among these documents not parsed there is a topic for interesting scientific work.

[mealnik2005]

The Russian Ministry of Defense denied reports of a number of media outlets about the creation in 2016 at the Central Archives of the Defense Department of a "scientific company" to fight the falsifiers of history.

[chunga-changa]

Yes, there and so the division of "prokhvesianals from history" hangs out without any exhaust, there is an archive, but there is no work with it. You have to work with documents, publish collections of documents, summary tables, reviews, etc., and the local "scientific workers" are purely a watchman at an abandoned construction site, "keep order." I hope at least the young people will do something there.

[Tor5]

It's a good thing, it was high time to create such companies, but to exclude custom-made falsifications.

[morozik]

trust in no one else)) ... except for the military !!!

[tchoni]

The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

[vorobey]

Quote: tchoni

The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

this is not the point here .. as I understand it, scientists also need to serve an emergency ... a nuclear physicist, for example, can go through a very good practice or a roadman .. and take a baumanka ... and then VPKashniki will arrange a brainhunt ... I I think so...

A philosopher came to me after the institute ... which of them was a mechanic (I mainly prepared mechvods), but he issued combat sheets - the battalion commander read and cried with emotion. and the forms I always had were in order and other documentation ... but as a mechanic, zero, not given ...

[Amurets]

The army helped me with the profession. The commission did not go to the military school. And after the army it was already clearly defined. The guys who served with us were expelled from military schools. I met one after work. And I went by profession, which I started to study at the school, and practical I understood the work. I was the author of the invention, and the candidate of technical sciences. So, to understand whether you got there, whether you chose the profession in these scientific companies you will understand faster than in civilian life. By the way, in my time, graduates of institutes also served for a year.

[Aleks28]

Quote: tchoni

Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

If a company, then it means conscripts? There are officer companies ... There will be guys with higher education sitting and digging in the archives, just the unit will be called a company. And get a salary, and live at home, well, etc.

[tchoni]

Quote: Alex28

If a company, then it means conscripts? There are officer companies ...

What difference does a lieutenant of conscript call or ordinary? - serves a year - leaves - forgets. One joy - it will remain a cricket - it will sign a contract - these can and should be worked on. And, you know, they worked before. There was a system of military research institutes, where personnel and jackets were shared almost equally. But, thanks to Mr. Taburetkin - the system is almost poher .. how to reduce non-core assets. And now we don’t know how to revive.

[Amurets]

I fully support! ”I read an amazing phrase from Ernest Krenkel:“ If a person has chosen the right profession and his wife, life has turned out to be happy. ”And it seems to me that there is a chance here to test yourself, and whether you have chosen the right one.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tchoni

The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

Isaev wrote yesterday at bmpd that the archives are full of work even for such "goodies" - long and tedious, for which you do not need academic knowledge, but for which a small staff of employees never has time.

[tchoni]

Quote: Alexey RA

Isaev wrote yesterday at bmpd that the archives are full of work even for such "goodies" - long and tedious, for which you do not need academic knowledge, but for which a small staff of employees never has time.

As for the archive - I do not know. Perhaps there is no one to carry carts with literature there - but for this a tower is not needed. Ordinary soldier-PTUshnik handle.

[venaya]

Quote: tchoni

The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. ...

I will try to disagree with you. Take a look
only for graduates of historical faculties, not to mention the staff of libraries and scientific institutions. Almost every first of them is a clear member of a secret society. Has the experience of the foreign freemason Karamzin still not taught anyone. Young unspoiled blood should be poured into the community, then there can be much less saboteurs there. I’m just saying from my own personal experience that it’s very difficult to even communicate with them there, try it yourself. The cat wept for normal, honest figures there, it is precisely them that we know by name, the rest are busy only with what actively interferes with a sober understanding of the past.

[tchoni]

If we consider this as an educational institution - the same shot in the milk - for the result, the coverage should be somewhat wider.

[Firstvanguard]

Quote: tchoni

The idea of ​​scientific mouths is delusional in nature. From experience, two to three years must pass before a young researcher moves into the subject. In the research institute, only a plan for commissioning a young employee was calculated for a year. Do you want a soldier to give a result for a year of service?

This is a biased attitude and stereotype of a conscript soldier. I’ll tell you a secret, among people who enter the army for military service, not everyone is gouging with a three-year middle corridor. There are those who failed to enter the university for some reason, etc. but there is great potential, for them this is a chance. One term is a small social elevator. There is another point in this structure, young and enthusiastic people are spared the pressure of academic science.
Do not consider yourself smarter than S. Kuzhegetovich and the whole team in which he works. This is not a guide team.

[Chak]

Students will be using pitchforks to shovel the counterfeit))) The main thing is not to forget to put on chemical protection with gas masks, otherwise young animals can be expected! There were cases in fecal collectors))))

[Minstrel]

Quote: ChAK

Will students rake forged and forks shovels

This is all to intimidate a potential enemy. Remember the old anecdote about the American general who was afraid that the Russians would throw selected special forces units called "construction battalions" against his brigade? And these are such animals that they are not even given machine guns - they fight with their bare hands and shovels.

[Chak]

That's for sure! And students are generally beasts! )))

[Chak]

And what is the minus? What did the counterfeit compare with feces? Well, call, if anyone offended by this))))

[gomer]

Why not. Must faculty give a return. This is a big front of activity.

[s.melioxin]

... in which talented young people would be engaged in science for the benefit of the defense industry of the Russian Federation

And for the benefit of all of Russia. And that means Us with you. Good luck to you.

[olimpiada15]

Shoigu well done! Young people must know the truth, so that the new generation cannot be deceived by all Western verbiage.

[rererilka]

Here, somehow, it was against scientific companies, but in the archive, for
This, if a hundred young and greyhounds, in tyrnets, with justification, archival and documentary, the trolls will begin to beat, in the same place , to them, an earth globe, with a matchbox, it seems, in which, another fifth corner must be found

[Prutkov]

Today, the "battle for the historical past" is only flaring up. We need good popularizers of history, like Pikul, Balashov. The same Buzina (one can disagree with many of his ideas) was an excellent popularizer of history for the average and below average intellectual level. For this he was killed. While his name is being heard, more of his articles need to be published. The war for the past begins.

[Chak]

I agree!!! Since the advent of Gorbach, everything was left at the mercy of Western "historians", they themselves were only baptized, repented, and asked for forgiveness. Now we have received a boomerang "the grave of the unknown rapist".

[sl22277]

This could be entrusted to the departments of military history of academies and schools. Naturally, it is much more attractive for an ordinary guy of draft age to serve his assigned one-year term at a computer, rather than making march-throws with a gas mask and standing up nights on guard. It is clear that service in the scientific company will be very attractive to “thieves” conscripts. Which will dramatically increase the contests in those faculties, where will the set. Can you imagine what lobbying struggle will unfold among universities for the right to cooperate with the Ministry of Defense? It will look like a military service for selected graduates or students of prestigious universities.

[rererilka]

Quote: sl22277

It will look like a military service for selected graduates or students of prestigious universities.

I don’t care, let’s do what’s better at the edge, although they won’t slow down the platoon on a throw, Caesar-Cesarean, locksmith-Locksmith, you can’t even make a soldier from a nerd, but, how many forces and nerves of sergeants and your there, and here, somehow

[Tatyana]

The Ministry of Defense is studying the issue of creating a scientific company under the Central Archive

Good thing.
However, the question still remains: in what ideological direction will those in power in the Russian Federation persuade "their" army military archivists-historians? Will the company really be scientifically sound or with a tinge of bias?
Indeed, the supply of historical material is always interpreted from the position of the interests of the ruling class under the EXISTING social system!
In any case, now such a company will be needed.

[Old26]

Quote: rererilka

This, if a hundred young and greyhounds, in tyrnets, with justification, archival and documentary, the trolls will start beating, in the same place and in the same place, to them, the earth globe, from matchboxes, it will seem, in which, another fifth corner need to

First of all, these should be involved in the dismantling of the archives of the Ministry of Defense. And then in Podolka, as they say a huge array of unassembled documents on World War II. Put things in order, digitize archives and put them in free access (of course, what you can). Then those who wish to falsify will be reduced, since there will always be facts against them

[moskowit]

"With your lips, but drink honey."

[Laksamana besar]

This year will create two new research and production companies in Tambov and Sevastopol for 50 people. In Tambov they will work at an enterprise engaged in the production of electronic warfare equipment, in Sevastopol at a ship repair plant. Moreover, in Sevastopol in the autumn draft they will take only completely healthy young children with higher education and having a military specialty.

[sa-ag]

engage in serious scientific work on a temporary basis?

[TanakaKenshin]

Not necessarily serious scientific.
Breaking mountains of documents into numbers - no need to be Karamzin. The presence of relatively straight arms from the upper torso and the eyes in the orbits is sufficient.
But this must be done, especially while the documents are still readable. Then it will come out more expensive.

[lopvlad]

Quote: vladimirZ

I see only one creation of "hothouse" conditions of service for "ransomed", thieves, sons of senior officials, to put a tick in the questionnaire "served" for the future high civil service.

they don’t need a checkmark. They are to blame for learning up to 27 years old and then stupidly receive a soldier who has been laid off, they will also draw a title.

Just as the children of peasants and workers served, they still serve.

[roskot]

The idea is great. I am sure it will be good. We have enough talented youth.

[fa2998]

Quote: vladimirZ

I see only one creation of "hothouse" conditions of service for "ransomed", thieves, sons of senior officials, to put a tick in the questionnaire "served" for the future high civil service.

I completely agree! What kind of "historians" are they at the age of 18? What a "falsification" of the history of the war, if some of the archives are secret or for "official use"! Declassified by a teaspoon on "round" dates (recently, by the 70th anniversary of Victory, .) YES OPEN THE ARCHIVES, AND REAL HISTORIANS (AND THERE IS A LOT OF THEM IN THE COUNTRY) WILL WRITE THE FULL HISTORY OF THE WAR !! enemy of the people. And let the recruits serve in normal units, and not "mow" in the archives. You do not write me in Rezun's company, he also wrote a lot of nonsense, but I am fond of history!

[solvi]

What difference does it make where they will sit. After all, war is not only in the trenches. Russia should be able to at least give its citizens the opportunity to be confident in their history, because we know it very poorly. And in this case, knowledge is power. If you are without roots, who are you? A leaf torn off by the wind. Now such streams of misinformation are splashing out on Russia everywhere, in all foreign media. This is a very serious matter. Rewriting history is simply a hot topic. And you can not brush it off.

[1536]

You just need to remember that secret documents are stored there. In my opinion, we don’t need our Assangi and Snowden at all. And no fraud will be worth the price you can pay for the leak. It seems that shit-buggers want to silently hang something under this mound that is not supposed to be known.

[fa2998]

Quote: Alex28

There are company companies ... There will be guys with higher education sitting and digging in the archives, just the unit will be called a company. And get a salary, and live at home, well, etc.

Well, even better! We have nothing more for officers in the Armed Forces to do. Now the functions that civilians successfully do are being reduced a lot. The same cook is paid a salary, and she is happy. And then there are 100-200 officer salaries, for the rank, etc. apartment in Moscow. Live, dig, snag something and do not bother !!

[AdekvatNICK]

then you need to look wider and introduce criminal penalties for falsifying the story ..

only this will not happen because at all times countries rewrite history for themselves.

[The boat]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

then you need to look wider

crap ... And nowhere wider ... Sharikov-s.

[Sergey-72]

Double sensation. Accordingthat the nerds will do business under the supervision of leading historians, they will probably be useful, especially since this is their future work. Against - there will be a loophole for thieves-hairy.

[afrikanez]

Does our country really lack all kinds of experts, historians and other paper figures?

[pilot bin-bom]

Well, if there is a real struggle against falsification, then it may be the right thing, or maybe, like in the 1984 novel, they will constantly rewrite history at the behest of "Big Brother".
By the way, I would really like to read genuine documents about the tank battle near Prokhorovka.

[Egevich]

I didn’t even hesitate, having read the heading of the article, that a great deal of negativity would flow ... and you, gentlemen of criticism, know how many tons and kilometers of documents are in the Podolsky Central Archive and how many civilian employees work for cheap pennies? Yes, let the Minister of Defense go there whom he wants to drive, at least thieves, at least beggars, if only there would be benefit. And the benefits of such work are huge and incomparable with most comments.
salary of the archivist - 5370 rubles.
Document Clerk:
having category I 7 250
category II 7 110
not having category 6 600
taking into account all the premiums, the maximum goes to 17-18 thousand ... do not want to work for the good of the Motherland?

[Old26]

Quote: 1536

You just need to remember that secret documents are stored there. In my opinion, we don’t need our Assangi and Snowden at all. And no fraud will be worth the price you can pay for the leak. It seems that shit-buggers want to silently hang something under this mound that is not supposed to be known.

Secret documents - this is understandable. But apparently, all of them will be involved in the analysis of archives for the Great Patriotic War, since it is a question of falsification of history. And there, most of the unassembled are unlikely to have strategic significance and are closed by higher vultures. Vulture "secret"He could stand on anything, for example, on a report on losses during a particular operation. And 70 years after the end of the war, this secrecy is no longer relevant. Besides, what prevents these guys from giving a security clearance and taking a nondisclosure agreement." Those serving in such troops as the Strategic Missile Forces and the like must have security clearance, so I think this is not critical.

[Old26]

MOSCOW, October 13. / TASS /. The Russian Ministry of Defense denied reports of a number of media outlets about the creation in 2016 of a "scientific company" at the Central Archives of the Russian Ministry of Defense to fight the falsifiers of history.

"We did not and do not have any plans to form a special scientific company at the Central Archives of the Ministry of Defense of Russia to fight the falsifiers of history," the Russian military department told TASS.

"I want to emphasize that the main purpose of creating scientific units in the Armed Forces is to fulfill specific scientific and applied tasks in the interests of various military command and control bodies," said Nikolai Pankov, State Secretary - Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has for many years successfully engaged in scientific and research institutions - the Institute of Military History, the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense, and the Office for Perpetuation of the Memory of the Victims of the Defense of the Fatherland - in fundamental issues of military science, including military historical work. There is also a special military unit - the 90th separate special search battalion, in which those conscripts who from their youth were fond of searching and perpetuating the memory of soldiers who died during the Great Patriotic War serve.
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2344697

[Stinger]

I wonder who is casting those bullets. What is this mysterious name, which "the representative of the military department informed the agency." What can these jerks of draft age disprove?