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Israel developed a lightweight version of active protection

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Active tank Trophy protection was developed in Israel in the early 2000s. On its basis, a new lightweight complex was created, called the Trophy LV (Light Vehicle). It is also capable of providing 360-degree protection against shells and missiles. The kit can be quickly installed on an armored car without serious interference with its design. It is reported Popular Mechanics with reference to the portal defense-aerospace.com.




"Trophy LV control systems are easily integrated with the onboard systems of the armored vehicle: after the radar detects a flying projectile, the computer calculates its trajectory and gives the command to the launchers," the publication says.

Having received the command, the launchers fire at the approaching rocket (projectile) with metal balls and destroy the target on approach.

According to the developers, "the use of such protection on light armored vehicles will significantly expand their combat capabilities."

The publication notes that the basic model of tank protection Trophy is the only one adopted by the Israeli army. It has been used repeatedly in combat situations and has shown its effectiveness.



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  1. A-Sim
    A-Sim 13 October 2015 17: 11 New
    10
    на каждую "хитрую .опу" найдется ...
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 13 October 2015 17: 47 New
      18
      Quote: A-Sim
      на каждую "хитрую .опу" найдется ...

      Naturally there is, I think a short queue from:
      so that is all.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 13 October 2015 18: 28 New
        +7
        so that is all.


        You can’t even imagine how right you are. And any tandem shot will hit this target. By the way, these cars are doomed to ride without infantry, which from any faustpatronik makes a suicide bomber. Imagine sitting on the armor, and the computer reacted to a flying black grouse something ..... a ball in the ass, well, it’s very unpleasant, especially when you exit through your mouth ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 13 October 2015 19: 01 New
          -2
          Quote: Asadullah
          And any tandem shot will hit this target.

          Yes ? How ?
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 13 October 2015 19: 11 New
            17
            "atalef "Да ? Каким образом ?"
            Alex28 clearly showed you everything in the photo. The line of a heavy machine gun, not to mention the 30 mm cannon and .... Ouch! Nema is an armored car with protection worth two armored cars. Although it can save during single launches from grenade launchers.
            1. orskpdc
              orskpdc 13 October 2015 20: 48 New
              -5
              Quote: Observer2014
              A line of heavy machine guns, not to mention a 30 mm gun

              those. you will ride a jeep around the tank until it is dumb or until you feel dizzy or the driver, or maybe the gas will run out or maybe ..... how much you can think of lol
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 13 October 2015 21: 27 New
                +2
                Quote: orskpdc
                those. you will ride a jeep around the tank until it is dumb or until you feel dizzy or the driver, or maybe the gas will run out or maybe ..... how much you can think of

                Have you read the article, or mind, just to object? At least then read the headline:
                Israel developed a lightweight version of active protection
                1. orskpdc
                  orskpdc 14 October 2015 13: 18 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Alex28
                  Have you read the article, or mind, just to object? At least then read the headline:

                  what selective attentive element

                  and the previous message your qualifications passed belay

                  him about the rocket and he about the gun the plane and dysentery

                  Quote: Alex28
                  A line of heavy machine guns not to mention 30 mm
                  the guns


                  Quote: Alex28
                  Have you read the article, or mind, just to object? At least then read the headline:
                  Israel developed a lightweight version of active protection
                  1. Aleks28
                    Aleks28 14 October 2015 16: 11 New
                    +1
                    Quote: orskpdc
                    what selective attentive element

                    You somehow write more clearly, but you cannot understand anything at all.
                    1. orskpdc
                      orskpdc 14 October 2015 17: 38 New
                      -1
                      good detail
                      article about Trophy-LV
                      from the description of Trophy-LV
                      "тестирование показало успешными против всех известных угроз CE."
                      http://www.rafael.co.il/Marketing/349-963-en/Marketing.aspx

                      CE (Chemical Energy) - Cumulative Charge
                      those. Trophy-LV against cumulative shells

                      The comment I quoted speaks of
                      penetration of the vehicle with a machine gun and a KE shell

                      я его чуть дополнил своими "умными" идеями на его языке

                      went too far with the tank repeat
          2. andj61
            andj61 13 October 2015 20: 57 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Asadullah
            And any tandem shot will hit this target.

            Yes ? How ?

            Only today I saw on TV a report about the creation of such an ammunition on the basis of an ordinary disposable RPG. After the shot, a small provocateur projectile, the caliber or between 14,5 and 20 mm, flies first, followed by a grenade. Cheap and cheerful, and good - according to the developers - deceives KAZ. At the same time, they say that two countries have truly reliable KAZ - Israel and - do not believe it! laughing - Russia. They showed a grenade shot, though not a combat one, but a prototype - the tank was hit.
            1. max702
              max702 13 October 2015 21: 14 New
              +5
              Quote: andj61
              At the same time, they say that two countries have truly reliable KAZ - Israel and - do not believe it! - Russia.

              Moreover, the progress in creating KAZ in Israel took place precisely after the collapse of the USSR .. But this is still a coincidence ... hi
              1. Professor
                Professor 14 October 2015 08: 00 New
                -3
                Quote: max702
                Moreover, the progress in creating KAZ in Israel took place precisely after the collapse of the USSR .. But this is still a coincidence ...

                Israel created its KAZ long before the death of the scoop and the beginning of mass aliyah.

                Quote: Frigate
                Or do you need a captive photo?

                A number of recent United Nations reports (see, for example, S / 2013 / 345, S / 2014 / 401 or S / 2014 / 859) indicate that the Israeli armed forces (IDF) regularly contact with members of the so-called Islamic state, starting in May 2013 year.
                And there is. We have combat contact with them.

                Quote: Алексей_К
                Так что пока у Израиля нет активной брони. А "встроенные элементы активной защиты" - это всего лишь посадочные места для её крепления.
                So there’s a photo, but there is no active armor on it.

                What is active armor? Probably it really is not. KAZ is, but there is no active reservation.
                1. Falcon
                  Falcon 14 October 2015 10: 35 New
                  0
                  So it seems like a long time ago there is this kaz, for light equipment?

                  Some kind of strange news, it seems a few years ago I heard about Trophy for LV request
                2. Manul
                  Manul 21 November 2016 20: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Israel created its KAZ long before the death of the scoop and the beginning of mass aliyah.

                  Can I confirm this statement?
          3. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 October 2015 21: 52 New
            +1
            Yes ? How ?


            При всем моем уважении к израильскому оружию, несмотря на мат по переклинившим "узям", учитывая большое количество подделок, как вы понимаете, ничего личного, только математика, а вот по математике получается, что пока не создано никакой дискретное устройство, способное исполнить команду за очень короткий промежуток времени. От того, доли секунды отстающий от инерционного, боезаряд, гарантировано поражает цель. Кстати, никто не говорит что это плохо, девайс разрабатывали под местные условия.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 14 October 2015 00: 02 New
              -1
              The Arabs do not have this, and therefore it will work. And we are unlikely to have to fight with the Israelis, things will go that way, you see. that in one trench we’ll fight off the Naglosaks.
              1. Nosgoth
                Nosgoth 16 October 2015 15: 12 New
                0
                so that the sixes fought with their masters? These are fairy tales.
          4. bmv04636
            bmv04636 14 October 2015 08: 12 New
            0
            direct first rocket at a high-explosive fragmentation explodes on approaching an eye 80-50 meters to the target and showers the tank with fragments, the second accumulative hits the tank. The whole point of the shroud is that shooters with anti-tank systems are not close to the carrots. The lesson, as they say, did not pass in vain. I'm talking about Lebanon when the carrots were crushed. Now the IDF command does not close the shooters and all launches of anti-tank systems go from maximum distances, as a result of which the speed of missiles on approaching the target is minimal.
        2. Berthan
          Berthan 13 October 2015 19: 16 New
          +6
          ... sitting on the armor ...


          На "броню", на которой приходится кататься верхом - КАЗы и не лепят.
          In general, with this vicious practice, it should already be tied. Either the machine provides protection and the landing is located inside, or - down with the excess iron.
        3. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 13 October 2015 19: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: Asadullah
          You can’t even imagine how right you are. And any tandem shot will hit this target.

          Под определением "тандемный" Вы видимо имели в виду бикалиберную конструкцию с использованием имитатора цели для преодоления active защиты РПГ "КРЮК" (тандемный выстрел предназначен для преодоления dynamic защиты)... Однако считаю стрельбу "Крюком" по бронеавтомобилю преступным расточительством. Достаточно плотной очереди из "Корда"... Хотя, справедливости ради, основной выстрел "Крюка" тандемный, но он, как я уже указал выше, направлен на преодоление динамической защиты , коей легкая бронетехника не имеет...
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 October 2015 22: 18 New
            0
            You probably meant the bicaliber design


            And that too. But the more theoretical question, a simultaneous shot from the two simplest RPGs, will already be tandem, because the difference in movement between them will be in any case, even in the case of a synchronous shot. No discrete device will redirect protection in thousandths of a second.
        4. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 13 October 2015 19: 29 New
          +5
          Well, what kind of nonsense, what kind of riding on the armor? Btr80 remembered? Or a penny? Let's ride the typhoon’s armor, it's cool and cool!
          And besides, this is Israel !!! They don’t ride on armor! Riding on the armor is damn purely our fun! And quite controversial. Armor should protect the body and not the ass ...
    2. Tor5
      Tor5 13 October 2015 19: 47 New
      +1
      An interesting machine, but to try in practice at our training grounds would be even more interesting.
  2. gans_sp
    gans_sp 13 October 2015 17: 12 New
    15
    no doubt a cool thing, we need to tigers and read armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles to stir up the same thing.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 13 October 2015 17: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: gans_sp
      no doubt a cool thing

      Without a doubt, this is a very cool sun umbrella. And very expensive, such as the Iphone. It remains to establish a similar umbrella over dry closets in war zones
    2. gothartus
      gothartus 13 October 2015 17: 35 New
      +9
      The article forgot about the cost of the system to say.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 13 October 2015 18: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: gothartus
        The article forgot about the cost of the system to say.

        The questions are full and not only the cost.
        What to do with protection against missiles making a slide in front of the target or with shells having a controlled detonation in front of the target (shrapnel).
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 13 October 2015 19: 27 New
          +7
          Well, you give people ... This is just an active active defense, and not protection from everything in the world !!! Without conditionally, it increases the security of equipment ... It is one thing to make an ambush with an RPG or ATGM and quite another it also drags a large-caliber machine gun and 30 mm cannon ... A normal system ... Moreover, it has already been tested in battle ... We would like that. ..
          1. yehat
            yehat 13 October 2015 20: 45 New
            0
            yeah ... like that
            people correctly say - in the presence of infantry around this activated system becomes too dangerous for their own
            it’s one thing to use on tanks, and quite another on easily protected or completely unprotected objects
            1. SSeT
              SSeT 14 October 2015 02: 25 New
              +1
              Well, what if it is a BRM and no one is going to get out of it, and it’s very easy to catch a grenade in intelligence? such a normal system, interesting
      2. Daniel
        Daniel 13 October 2015 19: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: gothartus
        The article forgot about the cost of the system to say.

        Quote: Hedgehog
        Without a doubt, this is a very cool sun umbrella. And very expensive, such as the Iphone.

        How much are saved soldier lives?
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 13 October 2015 20: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Daniel
          How much are saved soldier lives?

          It is enough to live with neighbors in the world. As they say in the East: a neighbor is closer than any relative. You need to be friends with your neighbors, not fight!
          1. Longmire
            Longmire 13 October 2015 20: 45 New
            -8
            Quote: Hedgehog
            It is enough to live with neighbors in the world. As they say in the East: a neighbor is closer than any relative. You need to be friends with your neighbors, not fight!

            then the Russian Federation is constantly at war, probably from a great friendship with its neighbors ... somehow Georgia and the 2 Chechens and Ukraine and Krymnash have already forgotten ....
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 13 October 2015 21: 26 New
              0
              Quote: Longmire
              the Russian Federation is constantly fighting

              But you see, sometimes they take breaks. If comparisons are made about international military conflicts, then Israel’s friend from the North American continent will still be ahead. And Israel, as its inhabitants have bragged constantly since 1948, is at war with its neighbors. Poking around with a speck in someone else's eye, you could also get a log from your eye to the touch. Or does not interfere?
            2. Aleks28
              Aleks28 13 October 2015 21: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: Longmire
              and Ukraine, and Krymnash ....

              Where did you see the war here? Have you read the Western media .. Already the western masters do not believe the bucket and Co. .. And you are all the same
    3. Albert1988
      Albert1988 13 October 2015 18: 33 New
      0
      Quote: gans_sp
      no doubt a cool thing, we need to tigers and read armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles to stir up the same thing.

      Considering that KAZ has already integrated into all new BMPs (it was visible at the parade), then in the near future they may well develop for easy transport.
      1. gans_sp
        gans_sp 13 October 2015 21: 38 New
        +1
        The market is huge. As I understand it, with some reservations, you can fasten the system to an older technique, such as the Syrian T55)). I wonder if KAZ can be screwed to a helicopter?
  3. GRAY
    GRAY 13 October 2015 17: 13 New
    +2
    What? Can it protect against the simultaneous launch of two missiles? And what will it shoot down with shells? High-explosive fragmentation ... Another advertising campaign.
    1. gans_sp
      gans_sp 13 October 2015 17: 15 New
      +7
      Well, bulletproof vests are not particularly needed, maybe 152 PFs can fly in, will not save him.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 13 October 2015 17: 21 New
        +6
        Quote: gans_sp
        Well, bulletproof vests are not particularly needed, maybe 152 PFs can fly in, will not save him.

        Bronik will save from the fragment (if you are lucky of course) and repeatedly, and for light armored vehicles a close projectile gap (especially from above) is a khan.
        1. gans_sp
          gans_sp 13 October 2015 17: 40 New
          +4
          Quote: GRAY

          .... and for light armored vehicles, a close projectile gap (especially from above) is a khan.
          it is better than 7mm steel, because if the rocket reaches, then it’s for sure khan. Syria showed how the broads hold on with several TOWs against tanks and BMPs.
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 13 October 2015 18: 01 New
            0
            Quote: gans_sp
            it is better than 7mm steel, because if the rocket reaches, then it’s for sure khan.

            This is not a reason to install the system on a jeep, even if it’s armored, hardly anyone wants to equip their army with it - it’s too expensive to install such a thing for every pepelats.
            For the IDF, there may be a profit from this, but they have a very specific situation - a guerrilla war.
            1. yehat
              yehat 13 October 2015 20: 46 New
              0
              why everyone? already one car in a column has a theoretical effect
            2. orskpdc
              orskpdc 13 October 2015 21: 00 New
              0
              Quote: GRAY
              the situation is too specific - a guerrilla war.

              and in Chechnya, a full-fledged war was in cities, i.e. there will not go
              Quote: GRAY
              too expensive for every pepelats to install such a thing

              who has what resource we have a lot of men can not put
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 13 October 2015 19: 28 New
        -1
        You are still a tactical missile hit this jeep ...
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 13 October 2015 20: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          You are still a tactical missile hit this jeep ...

          Even the helicopter is not insured.
        2. Aleks28
          Aleks28 13 October 2015 21: 41 New
          0
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          You are still a tactical missile hit this jeep ...

          No tactical. All jeeps are designed to protect against bullets of small arms and putting active protection on them is nonsense, because you don’t need any missiles, but rather a simple large-caliber weapon and a jeep khan.
    2. inkass_98
      inkass_98 13 October 2015 17: 22 New
      11
      Quote: GRAY
      And from the simultaneous launch of two missiles, it can protect

      I asked my Israeli colleagues in VO whether their active defense could bring down such a thing, but I did not receive a response. It was just being developed against active defense complexes.
      1. fennekRUS
        fennekRUS 13 October 2015 17: 32 New
        10
        Quote: inkass_98
        It was just developed against active defense complexes.

        ну так не у всякого бородоча такая игрушка есть, а от РПГ-7-самое то. Прямое попадание 152мм чушки-маловероятно, жирновато джип батареей гаубиц крушить ))) Так-что , мыслится-вещица полезная. Тем более устанавливается без адаптации на любую подходящую по размеру "колесницу" Коментаторы "с двумя ракетами", и пушечными батареями-на войне могут еще и "град"-ами накрыть, что-ж теперь,-сразу в простыню заворачиваться? Ну и еще один ньюансик-армии не оперируют Васями, Петями и иже с ними-там другие величины, статически значимые (как бы не было это неприятно индивиду) Выводы делайте сами
        1. yehat
          yehat 13 October 2015 20: 49 New
          -1
          Quote: fennekRUS
          greasy jeep destroyer howitzers battery

          that's right, therefore they will send a conscript soldier with 1 shell and a f-1 grenade to undermine
          then the second, then the third, until they run out.
          that’s the problem in the heads of our army officers!
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 13 October 2015 17: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: inkass_98
        I asked my Israeli colleagues in VO whether their active defense could bring down such a thing, but I did not receive a response. It was just being developed against active defense complexes.

        Stopudovo speed will not be enough, and knocking down shells is generally an epic - I therefore wrote about high-explosive fragmentation, the Israelis, judging by the contents of the article, suggest that this system be sculpted everywhere, but they forget to mention that not all equipment is protected as well tank.
        But the shell could have passed by smile
        1. Beaver
          Beaver 13 October 2015 18: 01 New
          +6
          According to the developers, "the use of such protection on light armored vehicles will significantly expand their combat capabilities."

          Никак не могу в этом предложении найти фразу "сделает их неуязвимыми для всех видов оружия". hi
      3. Wiski
        Wiski 13 October 2015 18: 04 New
        -5
        Quote: inkass_98
        I asked my Israeli colleagues in VO whether their active defense could bring down such a thing, but I did not receive a response. It was just being developed against active defense complexes.



        Can.



        Representatives of the Israeli defense industry noted that this weapon is a revolutionary innovation (we are talking about RPG-30). Its essence is that shortly before the launch of the rocket, a bait rocket is launched, which activates and activates the tank protection system. After this, the main rocket is launched. Experts calculated that the RPG-30 punches steel 65 cm thick.

        Представители армии Израиля сообщили, что разработана аналогичная система "Trench Coat», которая по сравнению с системой РПГ-30 является шагом вперед. "Trench Coat", отмечается в докладе, содержит в себе 360-градусный радар, определяющий все возможные угрозы; запускает 17 металлических объектов, один из которых должен остановить приближающуюся ракету.
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 13 October 2015 18: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Wiski
          "Trench Coat", against the RPG-30, to supplement the existing Trophy. It consists of a 360-degree radar that detects all threats and launches 17 projectiles, of which one should strike the incoming missile

          "Пальто", против РПГ-30, в дополнение к существующей Trophy. Она состоит из 360 градусов радар, который определяет все угрозы и запускает 17 снарядов, один из которых должен нанести удар входящий ракету

          Насколько я слышал "Трофи" основана на ударном ядре и осколочного поля там нет.
          And after the system fools off, does it have time to recharge?
          17 поражающих элементов в "Пальто" это смешно.
          1. Wiski
            Wiski 13 October 2015 18: 22 New
            +6
            Quote: GRAY
            17 поражающих элементов в "Пальто" это смешно.


            Rafael has some clowns and fun people wink . Sure sure.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 13 October 2015 18: 36 New
              +2
              Rafael has some clowns and fun people


              They don’t need it, they have enough free extras of aliyah on topvar.
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 13 October 2015 18: 34 New
          +5
          Can.


          What are you sculpting a humpbacked one, the expansion of a tandem b \ n 12-15 milliseconds. What kind of radar is recognizing two targets in this heap? Or do you install your computers with Kabbalah?
        3. victor
          victor 14 October 2015 02: 26 New
          -2
          AFAHERELU will like the answer ... After all, in Israel everything is the same .... the most .....
      4. beitar
        beitar 13 October 2015 18: 18 New
        -3
        In theory, yes, because a false missile has much less EPR than a main one. But these are my guesses
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 13 October 2015 18: 39 New
          +2
          because the false rocket has much less EPR than the main


          Give the numbers.
        2. GRAY
          GRAY 13 October 2015 18: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: beitar
          In theory, yes, because a false missile has much less EPR than a main one. But these are my guesses

          It is written that the system also responds to shells. How about an EPR subcaliber? Of course, you can tie it to speed, but at the end it falls, so this is not an option.
        3. andj61
          andj61 13 October 2015 21: 04 New
          0
          Quote: beitar
          In theory, yes, because a false missile has much less EPR than a main one. But these are my guesses

          В том-то и дело, что наши разработчики утверждают, что радар "распознаёт" маленькую цель как большую, и работакт КАЗ именно по ней.
        4. victor
          victor 14 October 2015 02: 34 New
          -1
          I thought about the Jews ,,, that all the minimum of the eggs ... Jews do not concern ...
      5. Bayonet
        Bayonet 13 October 2015 18: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: inkass_98
        I’ve asked my Israeli colleagues in VO whether their active defense can bring down such a thing

        Well, not all the same they run around with such things, and it’ll be nice to save from another ammunition!
      6. atalef
        atalef 13 October 2015 19: 05 New
        -4
        Quote: inkass_98
        . It was just being developed against active defense complexes.

        as far as I know . Radar algorithms distinguish the primary as it is called, an arrow. , from the warhead.
        1. SSeT
          SSeT 14 October 2015 02: 29 New
          0
          AS? True, it’s interesting, they have the same EPR and approach speed
      7. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 13 October 2015 19: 39 New
        0
        No, the tandem charge is against equipment with dynamic protection (such boxes on the armor), and active protection is like flying into it, it just shoots off the shrapnel charge towards the munition flying into it, which destroys what flies into the vehicle when approaching. .. If, for example, several cumulative missiles fly simultaneously, then the active defense will shoot as many times as necessary to destroy these missiles ... But trying to somehow disable such a system from a heavy machine gun is very problematic, although in principle it is possible ... After the first bursts of this machine gun, his position will be discovered and quickly suppressed by fire from everything that is available ... Quickly changing the position even relatively easy with Cord will not work ... The aiming range of the tank is more than 2 km ... drive a high-explosive projectile into a window opening or just spit it at some point, and try to hit a ball-sized ball or other equipment from a machine gun at a great distance ... It will be hard ... If only in the city, but also tank there will be another tactic ... In short, a normal system ... N and to us that design and put everything you need ...
    3. Das Boot
      Das Boot 13 October 2015 17: 38 New
      0
      Quote: GRAY
      What? Can it protect against the simultaneous launch of two missiles?

      Trend: C CASPIA-YAYA-I !!!
      1. atalef
        atalef 13 October 2015 19: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Das Boot
        Quote: GRAY
        What? Can it protect against the simultaneous launch of two missiles?

        Trend: C CASPIA-YAYA-I !!!

        And if you connect the electronic warfare? belay
    4. atalef
      atalef 13 October 2015 19: 03 New
      0
      Quote: GRAY
      What? Can it protect against the simultaneous launch of two missiles?

      Yes
      Quote: GRAY
      And what will it shoot down with shells? High explosive

      Shells? Armor generally exists for this, but the main problem for tanks, etc., is anti-tank vehicles. and KAZ protects against them.
      Quote: GRAY
      Another advertising campaign.

      Can you offer the best?
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 13 October 2015 19: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        , but the main problem for tanks, etc. is the anti-tank vehicles.

        Installation on JYP is offered.
        By the way, do not you think that the combat module in the apparatus shown in the picture will interfere with the work of KAZ?
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 13 October 2015 19: 11 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Can you offer the best?

        Покупайте "Арену" - дешевле обойдётся. smile
        1. Longmire
          Longmire 13 October 2015 20: 49 New
          0
          Quote: GRAY
          Покупайте "Арену" - дешевле обойдётся.

          at first it would be nice to mass-produce it wink
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 13 October 2015 21: 02 New
            0
            Quote: Longmire
            at first it would be nice to mass-produce it

            Вроде как более перспективные разработки сейчас в тренде. Теперь жаба будет душить за "Афганит" laughing
    5. would
      would 13 October 2015 20: 10 New
      +2
      Can it protect against the simultaneous launch of two missiles?


      Tank version can. The main thing here is not to confuse the launch of two missiles and a system like the RPG-30.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 13 October 2015 20: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: rait
        Tank version can. The main thing here is not to confuse the launch of two missiles and a system like the RPG-30.

        And it depends on the recharge time, the mechanics cannot do everything instantly.
        1. would
          would 15 October 2015 20: 53 New
          0
          And here it is necessary to study in more detail the design which of course is not so easy to find. As far as I know, sectors overlap and thus no reload time is required. RPG-30 is indirectly confirmed by the use of another mechanism.
  4. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 13 October 2015 17: 14 New
    0
    Everything is very simple .... we plant sweet tea in a fire tank ... and a herach on devices ... they stick and fail ... like 2x2)))
  5. mvg
    mvg 13 October 2015 17: 18 New
    -1
    Somehow in Lebanon, she didn’t save much. I would at least watch a video of how she knocks down or deflects a projectile. But they write that the SEP V.3 kit will include a super-duper shell that penetrates any armor of modern MBTs. They probably don’t know about Trophy .. Arena can do the same for them, not to mention dynamic Contact-5, KNIFE, they don’t consider them for protection at all .. Who should I believe?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 October 2015 17: 21 New
      +7
      "Как то в Ливане она не очень то спасала"///

      She was not in Lebanon. Trophies began to mount on Merkava-4
      after the Lebanon war.
      Her first combat operations against RPGs and ATGMs were during operations in Gaza.
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      2. rasputin17
        rasputin17 13 October 2015 17: 39 New
        0
        Her first combat operations against RPGs and ATGMs were during operations in Gaza.

        Oddly enough, for some reason, many military achievements of the achievement are being tested by Israel in Gaza. What is the price of one iron dome designed to deal with water cuttings such as box offices !!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 13 October 2015 18: 13 New
          18
          Как оказалось, "ЖК" лучше всего сбивает качественные заводские ракеты -
          they have good ballistics and the computer easily calculates
          trajectory.
          And homemade with crookedly stabilized stabilizers
          and fly crookedly, and here the computer is in difficulty ... good, they and
          often fall on their own smile .
          1. rasputin17
            rasputin17 13 October 2015 18: 34 New
            +2
            And homemade with crookedly stabilized stabilizers
            and they fly crookedly, and here the computer is in difficulty ...


            So you can see and do the whole calculation !! yes Well, what sometimes falls on your own head so these are trifles .. slightly have not finished yet !!! As they say to perfection there is no limit !! laughing
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 October 2015 18: 42 New
            +1
            And homemade with crookedly stabilized stabilizers
            and they fly crookedly, and here the computer is in difficulty.


            So there, the warhead adjusts itself in flight?
          3. TanakaKenshin
            TanakaKenshin 13 October 2015 23: 31 New
            0
            Like an old joke about fencers?)

            "Самый лучший в мире фехтовальщик боится не следующего за ним, а худшего в мире фехтовальщика. Потому что не может предсказать, что этот выкинет."
  6. alex56
    alex56 13 October 2015 17: 19 New
    +6
    Of all the comments, to the news that is now, the overwhelming majority are hat-making.
    Yes, of course, do not extol other people's inventions and engage in infidelity, but alas, we do not have such a system. As there is no modern KAZ in real combat units.
    Alas(((
    When we have each piece of equipment will be protected to the maximum, then it will be possible to discuss other people's necessary news in an arrogant manner.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 13 October 2015 17: 55 New
      -3
      Quote: alex56
      we don’t have such a system

      Will be better! bully
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 13 October 2015 17: 56 New
      -4
      Quote: alex56
      then it will be possible to discuss other people's necessary news in an arrogant manner.

      norms, norms) This is police equipment for the Jewish invaders against peaceful demonstrators in Gaza or urban battles in Beirut against hezbollah, which, as commented on by VO, the GI is actively supplying weapons. And blah blah blah.
      "Высокомерная манера" в отношении евреев останется всегда.
      Тут, простите,некоторые еще не могут определиться: "евреи...это плохо...Советский Союз - хорошо...его создали евреи...это плохо...но ведь..." и т.д.
      1. Hello
        Hello 13 October 2015 18: 41 New
        -1
        Прям как у Шаова "если что то кое-где у нас и плохо то в конечном счете это хорошо "
      2. atalef
        atalef 13 October 2015 19: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Das Boot
        Советский Союз - хорошо...его создали евреи...это плохо...но ведь..." и т.д.

        For all the Jews there is a judge.
        For liveliness. For the mind. For stoop.
        For the fact that the Jew shot at the leader.
        For the fact that she missed.
    3. Asadullah
      Asadullah 13 October 2015 18: 46 New
      +4
      but we don’t have such a system.


      Есть у хохлов. А нет, потому что очень большая степень разницы, между ценой и эффективностью. Она в общем и создавалась не для б\д, а для операций сдерживания, против единичного абрека с РПГ. В реальном противостоянии, это дорогая игрушка, навроде бронежилета от "Дольче Габанна".
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 13 October 2015 18: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: Asadullah
        In general, it was created not for b \ d, but for containment operations, against a single abrek with RPGs

        Ну "сдерживания" вы очень корректно выразились - реально оно создано для карательных акций против партизан с примитивными РПГ и ПТРК. да и оснащены ими далеко не все образцы техники в Израиле на вскидку 400 танков "Меркава"4 из имеющихся примерно 4000 штук танков разных модификаций и тяжёлые БТР "Намер" которых тоже штук 300-400 а вот например основной БТР М-113 Израиля которых более 6 000 (шести тысяч) такой защиты не имеет от сюда и вот такие случаи когда М-113 поражаются из примитивного РПГ-7 с гибелью экипажа и десанта как в последнем случаи в Газе. Итог 7 убитых солдат.
        1. Hello
          Hello 13 October 2015 20: 38 New
          +1
          Partisans are such partisans. By the way, since when did partisans deliberately beat civilians? Do you still make terrorists bad and not so bad?
    4. sisa29
      sisa29 13 October 2015 23: 12 New
      +1
      I completely agree with you. Your comment is the most reasonable
  7. vit
    vit 13 October 2015 17: 20 New
    +9
    not that don’t say, but in terms of the development of weapons, (the Israelis? Israilets ??), in short the Jews, far from suckers! and their weapons are not bad at all. largely due to the fact that a lot of bright minds at one time fled from the USSR and Russia for permanent residence in Israel.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 13 October 2015 17: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Vit
      largely due to the fact that a lot of bright minds at one time fled from the CCC

      But one of those who escaped, just said here on the site that these personnel are not involved in such developments. Allegedly, they simply are not allowed. The KGB is afraid, I think so.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 13 October 2015 18: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Vit
      in short, Jews, far from suckers! ... a lot of bright minds at one time fled from the USSR and Russia for permanent residence in Israel.

      yes, sir. Open the directory. From Abrikosov to Yasinovsky. Soviet science. Frankly speaking, anti-Semitic refiners are enraging. If sovkotriatizm returns - it is a pity. Everything was not planned as it was, apparently ...
      1. andj61
        andj61 13 October 2015 21: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Das Boot
        Open the directory. From Abrikosov to Yasinovsky. Soviet science. Frankly speaking, anti-Semitic refiners are enraging.

        good + 100500!
  8. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 13 October 2015 17: 23 New
    +5
    Well done Israelis ...
  9. Cossack Ermak
    Cossack Ermak 13 October 2015 17: 24 New
    +1
    That the Jews were surprised))))

    We are developing active protection for the Warrior)
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 13 October 2015 17: 31 New
      +3
      Да все так называемые израильские новинки строятся на основе технологий "позаимствованных", полученных им от США или ранее украденных у СССР\России.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 13 October 2015 18: 48 New
        0
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Да все так называемые израильские новинки строятся на основе технологий "позаимствованных", полученных им от США или ранее украденных у СССР\России.

        oops ... before that USA / USSR / Russia / Aztecs / Sumerians ......
        Danilevsky, by the way, with his opposition to Spengler, about Russia and Europe and other Pan-Slavism - also .... that ... Yakovlevich ... suspiciously ...
        If so, you risk losing your idols. And this is insulting to suicide. Watch out.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 13 October 2015 19: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Das Boot
          Danilevsky, by the way, with his opposition to Spengler, about Russia and Europe and other Pan-Slavism - also .... that ... Yakovlevich ... suspiciously ...

          And what are you trying to convince us that a hundred Jews created the science and industry of the USSR / Russia? Very similar to megalomania.
          Watch out.
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 13 October 2015 19: 40 New
            0
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Watch out.

            approx.
            ethnically correct, verified according to lists and appropriate, at least not expulsion ... no matter ...
            you are welcome.
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 13 October 2015 19: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: Cossack Ermak
      We are developing active protection for the Warrior)



      После слова "Ратник" у Вас улыбка? belay
  10. ilyaches
    ilyaches 13 October 2015 17: 33 New
    0
    And it seems to me that this is an Israeli crap. What is the mass and speed of the projectile and the starting mass of an RPG. How many balls do you need? What size? The projectile is difficult to knock off the trajectory.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 13 October 2015 18: 17 New
      +2
      ilyaches:
      The projectile is difficult to knock off the trajectory.


      Balls do not knock the projectile off the trajectory.
      they try to detonate thereof.
      just don’t ask how such a small ball can cause detonation. look through the mat.chast
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 13 October 2015 18: 49 New
        +2
        a taco small ball can cause detonation.


        Can you tell me how such a small fryer can affect the cumulative stream, yet detonating it?
        1. atalef
          atalef 13 October 2015 19: 15 New
          -1
          Quote: Asadullah
          Can you tell me how such a small fryer can affect the cumulative stream, yet detonating it?

          In general, the cumulative jet arises exclusively when the warhead is detonated and it comes into close contact with the surface, for this it is necessary to overcome the kaz, and to shoot down only the sparrows with a cumulative jet in the air
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 October 2015 22: 06 New
            0
            In general, the cumulative jet arises exclusively when the warhead is detonated and it comes into close contact with the surface, for this it is necessary to overcome the kaz, and to shoot down only the sparrows with a cumulative jet in the air


            And here it is, the jet is already being created in the air, and it enters the metal with a hot plasma jet, instantly cutting a hole in the allotted time interval. During the blast, the charge simply does not have enough time, because there are already not even milliseconds, but microseconds. At one time, we took out the charges of the cumulative charge, using it to cut the pivoted parts of the broken equipment.
          2. Good me
            Good me 14 October 2015 09: 04 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            In general, the cumulative jet arises exclusively when the warhead is detonated and it comes into close contact with the surface, for this it is necessary to overcome the kaz, and to shoot down only the sparrows with a cumulative jet in the air


            А "ударное ядро", создаваемое на тех же физических принципах,что и кумулятивная струя,по-вашему, не является эффективной ?
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 13 October 2015 19: 23 New
          -1
          the place where the detonation starts is decided by mogoye (again, mat. part)

          that is, if the shell detonates, say from the side, then there will be no jet.

          допонительно не забыватйте что даже если произoшла "штатная" детонация и да образовалась к. струя но до оптимального растояния от цели то её ефективность скаже не та.
          1. yushch
            yushch 13 October 2015 20: 34 New
            +1
            Какая детонация???Задача"шариков"-разрушение объекта если они конечно не надувные.
          2. Asadullah
            Asadullah 13 October 2015 22: 11 New
            +1
            optionally do not forget


            Yes, I do not argue with you, so, have fun. Of course there are such energies that everything is possible, and detonation and the banal destruction of a shell even without detonation. And the cumulative stream, even if it flies, will not harm anything, because it works only in the cartouche of charge.
            1. Good me
              Good me 14 October 2015 09: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Asadullah
              And the cumulative stream, even if it flies, will not harm anything, because it works only in the cartouche of charge.


              Is not a fact. Watch the video.

  11. Monos
    Monos 13 October 2015 17: 36 New
    +4
    Уж не подарок ли это для "умеренной сирийской оппозиции"? Джипы - их любимый транспорт.
  12. Denis DV
    Denis DV 13 October 2015 17: 40 New
    0
    Противотанковые мины ни кто не отменял - разнесёт вместе с "защитой" soldier
  13. slaw14
    slaw14 13 October 2015 17: 44 New
    +4
    RPG-32 picking any protection including active
  14. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 13 October 2015 17: 47 New
    +1
    БМП на базе "Курганец-25" имеют активную защиту и БМП на базе "Армата" (Т-15) имеет активную защиту. Эти БМП показали на параде. А вот израильской БМП с активной защитой даже фотографии нет. Поэтому предполагаю, что это у них пока только разговоры о том, что у них будет.
    1. sidorshuk
      sidorshuk 13 October 2015 18: 00 New
      +1
      In Israel, military parades are not held.
      Why are they?
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 13 October 2015 18: 04 New
        +6
        Quote: sidorshuk
        In Israel, military parades are not held.
        Why are they?

        Well, since there’s nothing to show, then there’s nothing to .. wink
        БМП на базе "Армата" (Т-15) имеет активную защиту. Эти БМП показали на параде. А вот израильской БМП с активной защитой даже фотографии нет
        It's not about the parade ... request
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 13 October 2015 22: 54 New
        0
        Quote: sidorshuk
        In Israel, military parades are not held.
        Why are they?

        Дело не в параде, а в наличии готовых экземпляров БМП с активной защитой. В Израиле ещё ни на одну БМП вашу активную защиту не установили, иначе бы статья была бы написана по-другому. Что-то вроде: "В Израиле уже две сотни БМП получили долгожданную (с 2000 г.) активную броню и она стала облегчённой в сравнении с танками".
        But you will not find such a message on the Internet, so this is only a dream.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 October 2015 18: 23 New
      +7
      Alexey_K:
      You are right, Trophy is not put on TBTR. Only on tanks.
      There was some financial reason. Namer and so very
      expensive. His serial production was struck with difficulty.
      They tried to sell this Trophy Light to the Americans on the BTR Stryker.
      But the American Raytheon developed his system.
    3. Professor
      Professor 13 October 2015 18: 50 New
      -4
      I do not understand, and the news is what? This KAZ was developed by 100 years ago.

      Quote: Алексей_К
      But the Israeli BMP with active protection is not even a photograph.

      Looking bad.


      Quote: Hedgehog
      Without a doubt, this is a very cool sun umbrella.

      Envy is a bad life partner.

      Quote: APASUS
      What to do with protection against missiles making a slide in front of the target or with shells having a controlled detonation in front of the target (shrapnel).

      It will not protect against the former (only bourgeois have them), and armor will cover it from the latter.

      Quote: GRAY
      Can it protect against the simultaneous launch of two missiles?

      Can. No recharge required. Sectors overlap.

      Quote: inkass_98
      I asked my Israeli colleagues in VO whether their active defense could bring down such a thing, but I did not receive a response.

      Can.

      Quote: ilyaches
      And it seems to me that this is an Israeli crap.

      1. Rrrj
        Rrrj 13 October 2015 19: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Professor
        .

        Yes, everything is clearly shorter - having no analogues in the world - what's the question ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 13 October 2015 19: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: rrrj
          Yes, everything is clearly shorter - having no analogues in the world - what's the question ...

          Just having it. For example, the Germans created a similar KAZ.
          1. bmv04636
            bmv04636 14 October 2015 08: 17 New
            0

            The question is how will KAZ work against this when two missiles are launched after a short interval?
        2. orskpdc
          orskpdc 13 October 2015 20: 39 New
          -4
          having no analogues in the world - this is our Russian brand
      2. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 13 October 2015 23: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Professor (5) Today, 18: 50 ↑
        I do not understand, and the news is what? This KAZ was developed by 100 years ago.

        Quote: Алексей_К
        But the Israeli BMP with active protection is not even a photograph.
        Looking bad.

        Wikipedia:
        "Броня имеет встроенные элементы активной защиты. В настоящее время руководство ЦАХАЛ окончательно не решило, какой из двух типов активной защиты будет установлен — Iron Fist фирмы Israel Military Industries или Trophy фирмы RAFAEL. Обеим системам предстоит пройти испытания. При этом Iron Fist отстает по срокам разработки, её создатели в настоящее время форсируют работы, для того чтобы успеть до конца года принять участия в сравнительных испытаниях и получить шанс установить Iron Fist на «Намер»."
        Так что пока у Израиля нет активной брони. А "встроенные элементы активной защиты" - это всего лишь посадочные места для её крепления.
        So there’s a photo, but there is no active armor on it.
  15. Victor bg
    Victor bg 13 October 2015 17: 51 New
    +2
    утром по ТВ показывали систему с "провокатором"... не поможет?
  16. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 13 October 2015 17: 51 New
    +1
    Jews are already installing them on cars, but ours are rubbing them all with rolls ..
    1. Victor bg
      Victor bg 13 October 2015 17: 56 New
      +2
      tinder, new RPGs
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 13 October 2015 19: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Victor BG
        tinder, new RPGs

        New RPGs against the enemy, and protect your cars with them too?
  17. gomer
    gomer 13 October 2015 17: 58 New
    +1
    rich in thought. Fantasy is enough for a hundred pounds, but what is the result.
  18. mvg
    mvg 13 October 2015 18: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Vit
    not that don’t say, but in terms of the development of weapons, (the Israelis? Israilets ??), in short the Jews, far from suckers! and their weapons are not bad at all. largely due to the fact that a lot of bright minds at one time fled from the USSR and Russia for permanent residence in Israel.

    They have a landfill at hand, you don’t have to go anywhere far ... But from all sides, but with different specifics ... there is even a sea ... they are called only a little differently: Syria, Gaza, Iraq, Lebanon .... A bit of Cyprus .. Palestine, the Golan .. Therefore, with the help of overseas friends they come up with different ingenious things .. But their research institutes are very attractive .. :-) Well, you can hear the answer .. will Trophy hit the M829E4 shell or whatever it is with M1A2SEP V.3 flying, I think from 1700-1800 m / s they are friends with them, they could have protested .. After all, in Egypt, Iraq, SA Abrashi are .. and ISIS already has .. C Yemen, for example ..
    The rollers, as even the T-72 are fired, are on the internet .. But Merkav did not see .. What's in Gaza? RPG-7 and Tou old? It's old, I would have looked at the Javelins, Cornets, and in Jordan they are doing something export ..
    No offense, just interesting ..
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 October 2015 18: 28 New
      0
      "собьет ли Трофи снаряд M829Е4 или как там его с М1А2SEP V.3 летящий, думаю с 1700-1800 м/с ///"

      Do not knock.
  19. mvg
    mvg 13 October 2015 18: 23 New
    +1
    The system, by the way, stands under a lemon .. Like a quarter of the T-90 .. Therefore, betting on everything that moves is unreasonable .. Only police operations .. Selected number .. In real combat, it won’t save much .. Sensors to close ones will be damaged an explosion, a machine gun, etc., and all down the drain ..
  20. Wiski
    Wiski 13 October 2015 18: 28 New
    -3
    Rafael trophy

    1. victor
      victor 13 October 2015 22: 48 New
      -1
      Our, ukrsmi-copatpley-scattering tanks have not seen this yet ... Svidomye-sredizhim will hand over their divisions ... you will envy the Mediterranean ... I am amazed that there are a lot of normal people among the Mediterranean wanderers from the Egyptians who killed the Egyptians, because they didn’t destroy anyone - but hundreds of thousands immigrated to the land of Israel, and often not Jews, but tens ...
  21. Appokalipsis
    Appokalipsis 13 October 2015 18: 30 New
    +8
    Fuck, again, patriots with Jews, their letters are measured ... No, so that something pleasant is kind of ... Not bad, it’s thought up ... But we also have useful developments ... No need to look for new enemies and create them .. We have enough of them anyway .. Israel is not an enemy ... He competently, silently demonstrates, from insults to Russia ... There are 1/4 of our compatriots .. If there are such patriots, go to Donbass or Syria. .. Do not insult potential allies .. We must draw conclusions from the 90s and the beginning of 2000 ... Everything, they are Saddam, Gaddafi, periodically merged us, for the sake of the states ... Israel has not merged us yet, but it is officially distancing itself, not the enemy Russia and we are not going to fight with him ... And drones sells to us ...
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 13 October 2015 18: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: Appokalipsis
      Israel is not an enemy ... There 1 / 4, our compatriots ..

      The fact that Israel, to the general joy of both sides (both Russians and Jews themselves) left a million with something Jews from the USSR / Russia does not make Israel our friend what we now see on the example of Syria where we fight against terrorists and Israel, on the contrary, defends and supports them by shelling Assad’s troops.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 13 October 2015 23: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Quote: Appokalipsis
        Israel is not an enemy ... There 1 / 4, our compatriots ..

        The fact that Israel, to the general joy of both sides (both Russians and Jews themselves) left a million with something Jews from the USSR / Russia does not make Israel our friend what we now see on the example of Syria where we fight against terrorists and Israel, on the contrary, defends and supports them by shelling Assad’s troops.

        Moreover, they still treat terrorists in their hospitals and arm terrorists, and often lead their combat operations against Assad.
        1. Hello
          Hello 13 October 2015 23: 10 New
          -1
          Quote: Алексей_К
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: Appokalipsis
          Israel is not an enemy ... There 1 / 4, our compatriots ..

          The fact that Israel, to the general joy of both sides (both Russians and Jews themselves) left a million with something Jews from the USSR / Russia does not make Israel our friend what we now see on the example of Syria where we fight against terrorists and Israel, on the contrary, defends and supports them by shelling Assad’s troops.

          Moreover, they still treat terrorists in their hospitals and arm terrorists, and often lead their combat operations against Assad.

          I beg you to show at least one terrorist whom Israel has armed. For three years I’ve been looking for such
    2. Longmire
      Longmire 13 October 2015 21: 03 New
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      Quote: Appokalipsis
      not an enemy of Russia and we are not going to fight with him ... And he sells drones to us ...

      and not only, at the request of the Russian Federation, a moratorium on the supply of weapons to Georgia and Ukraine was introduced, many agreements and contracts, Israel did not support the sanction ...
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 13 October 2015 23: 13 New
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        Quote: Longmire
        at the request of the Russian Federation, a maratorium was introduced for the supply of weapons to Georgia and Ukraine

        I don’t know for Ukraine, but for Georgia:http://mignews.com/news/disasters/world/040309_123319_15737.html Please note that the site is Israeli.
    3. sisa29
      sisa29 13 October 2015 23: 30 New
      +1
      It also seems to me that Israel is not an enemy, there are enough enemies without Russia here. Some Palestinians are standing. There is no day so that they do not shit.
  22. MSL
    MSL 13 October 2015 18: 31 New
    0
    Quote: A-Sim
    на каждую "хитрую .опу" найдется ...

    This is true, but the development itself is of interest. True many questions. There are pros and cons.
  23. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 13 October 2015 18: 36 New
    +2
    If I understand correctly, this system makes sense on patrol transport, is it dangerous to use it even in a convoy, will it fall asleep with its fragments, or am I wrong?
    For Israel, this is an option. They oppose many unconnected small groups that tease them with fleeting sorties. This thing is not applicable in the city on a tank followed by foot or light vehicles, only a single combat unit xs is actually a police thing, but useful
  24. roskot
    roskot 13 October 2015 18: 46 New
    0
    Strong defense will be especially in battle. When flies from all directions. You won’t save any millions. If she does anything against a rocket or shell on the battlefield, and we fired over a thousand kilometers.
  25. sabakina
    sabakina 13 October 2015 19: 01 New
    +4
    Sorry, I'm angry today, I will write briefly.
    1. - I do not believe it!
    What am I? I'm nothing! This Stanislavsky said ...
    2. Весь день "сыны израилевы" молчали...Чё, пережовывали новость про обстрел Сирийских военных складов? Чё скажете, избранные богом? "Чем могём, помогаем ИГИЛу?"
    1. Hello
      Hello 13 October 2015 20: 42 New
      -3
      Quote: sabakina
      Sorry, I'm angry today, I will write briefly.
      1. - I do not believe it!
      What am I? I'm nothing! This Stanislavsky said ...
      2. Весь день "сыны израилевы" молчали...Чё, пережовывали новость про обстрел Сирийских военных складов? Чё скажете, избранные богом? "Чем могём, помогаем ИГИЛу?"

      And I believe you honestly honestly, but do not poison your soul, show at least one militant who is in touch with Israel, otherwise I don’t know where the taxes go. Maybe you can open it for me fellow
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 13 October 2015 21: 03 New
        +1
        Hello
        In short:
        -What about us?
        The rest at the meeting ...
      2. Frigate
        Frigate 13 October 2015 21: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Hello

        And I believe you honestly honestly, but do not poison your soul, show at least one militant who is in touch with Israel, otherwise I don’t know where the taxes go. Maybe you can open it for me fellow


        http://usapress.net/blizhnij-vostok/212-oon-obnarodovala-fakty-o-svyazi-igil-i-a
        rmii-izrailya
        Or do you need a captive photo? smile
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 13 October 2015 23: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Hello
        And I believe you honestly honestly, but do not poison your soul, show at least one militant who is in touch with Israel, otherwise I don’t know where the taxes go. Maybe you can open it for me

        Вы же умный народ. Сами поищите. В "youtube" сам видел признание одного из бывших террористов.
        1. Hello
          Hello 13 October 2015 23: 18 New
          -4
          Quote: Алексей_К
          Quote: Hello
          And I believe you honestly honestly, but do not poison your soul, show at least one militant who is in touch with Israel, otherwise I don’t know where the taxes go. Maybe you can open it for me

          Вы же умный народ. Сами поищите. В "youtube" сам видел признание одного из бывших террористов.

          What are you saying, traders and money-lenders, or smart people. Would you, my friend, be something more substantial than the video in YouTube that I should look for? Do you know if they are eating me, was there a boy?
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 14 October 2015 11: 54 New
            -1
            Quote: Hello
            Would you tell me something more substantial than the video in YouTube that I should look for

            А Вы сами то определились, что такое посущественнее? Какое-то неопределённое и расплывчатое понятие "посущественнее".
            Well, and the second, I am not obliged to search for you anything. If you are too lazy, then pay, I can indicate the account, otherwise freeloaders in the network got divorced, find them, yes take them out, yes put them on.
    2. andj61
      andj61 13 October 2015 21: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: sabakina
      Весь день "сыны израилевы" молчали.

      It’s not true, Alexander atalef was very active, now he has captain epaulettes, instead of colonels in the morning and generals the day before. And about the Syrian warehouses they already discussed the gas pipeline, which allegedly caused the Syrian events.
      So not only are you angry (angry?), But also the mass of our users who inflict Israeli comrades. crying
  26. slaw14
    slaw14 13 October 2015 19: 21 New
    +1
    In Israel, they put the Trophy with Afghanistan, the protection is good, but against tandem charges the effectiveness is in question.
    1:10 about active defense

    1. orskpdc
      orskpdc 13 October 2015 21: 38 New
      -2
      So do an RPG 32 and Trophy check and clear the question
  27. wild
    wild 13 October 2015 19: 25 New
    +5
    Why are you comrades all proving something God's chosen? These are the fathers of Jewish democracy, the lights of the intergalactic mastaba, the hereditary Jedi. For any of your arguments they will snort through the lip. Let them bet, the Arabs do not know about their miracles undermine the usual RPGs 7 and HEs.
  28. Frigate
    Frigate 13 October 2015 19: 43 New
    +1
    Well, at the expense of this system is good or not time will tell, in battle mode. I think Hezbollah will adapt. And this pile of money, which is not even voiced, will fly to the wind.
  29. BNM
    BNM 13 October 2015 19: 52 New
    +2
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    No, the tandem charge is against equipment with dynamic protection (such boxes on the armor), and active protection is like flying into it, it just shoots off the shrapnel charge towards the munition flying into it, which destroys what flies into the vehicle when approaching. .. If, for example, several cumulative missiles fly simultaneously, then the active defense will shoot as many times as necessary to destroy these missiles ... But trying to somehow disable such a system from a heavy machine gun is very problematic, although in principle it is possible ... After the first bursts of this machine gun, his position will be discovered and quickly suppressed by fire from everything that is available ... Quickly changing the position even relatively easy with Cord will not work ... The aiming range of the tank is more than 2 km ... drive a high-explosive projectile into a window opening or just spit it at some point, and try to hit a ball-sized ball or other equipment from a machine gun at a great distance ... It will be hard ... If only in the city, but also tank there will be another tactic ... In short, a normal system ... N and to us that design and put everything you need ...

    что значит нам разрабатывать???она у нас давно уже разработана "Арена"называется.
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  32. beitar
    beitar 13 October 2015 20: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: Asadullah
    In general, it was created not for b \ d, but for containment operations, against a single abrek with RPGs

    Ну "сдерживания" вы очень корректно выразились - реально оно создано для карательных акций против партизан с примитивными РПГ и ПТРК. да и оснащены ими далеко не все образцы техники в Израиле на вскидку 400 танков "Меркава"4 из имеющихся примерно 4000 штук танков разных модификаций и тяжёлые БТР "Намер" которых тоже штук 300-400 а вот например основной БТР М-113 Израиля которых более 6 000 (шести тысяч) такой защиты не имеет от сюда и вот такие случаи когда М-113 поражаются из примитивного РПГ-7 с гибелью экипажа и десанта как в последнем случаи в Газе. Итог 7 убитых солдат.



    Why do you offend Russian technology? Since when is Cornet a primitive ATGM? In operations in Gaza, more than 10 intercepts of Cornet by Vetrovka were recorded. Not a single Merkava-4 tank equipped with Vetrovka was hit
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 13 October 2015 22: 50 New
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      Quote: beitar
      Why do you offend Russian technology? Since when is Cornet a primitive ATGM? In operations in Gaza, more than 10 intercepts of Cornet by Vetrovka were recorded. Not a single Merkava-4 tank equipped with Vetrovka was hit

      Well, purely in Hebrew .. I really want to put a plus, but the hand itself slows down .. wink
    2. Engineer
      Engineer 14 October 2015 09: 04 New
      0
      Hezbollah probably in Photoshop, your merkava only knows how to burn? winked nothing, soon our new retouching brushes will be delivered to them wink
  33. Arandir
    Arandir 13 October 2015 20: 56 New
    +1
    What is the point of putting KAZ on an armored SUV? Which cannot be used as part of a group? So the Israelis will use this SUV in their specific war with the rebels. Calculation of protection against a single strike ATGM or RPG-7. But of course, neither this armored car nor this active defense system can save either from the 12,7 KORD machine gun, or from the ATGM or modern analogs of anti-tank rifles or a high-explosive mine of 8 kg of TNT, or an anti-aircraft mine with an attack core.
    This article is an advertisement of the Israeli complex of active protection. We have such complexes have been developed earlier and were better, but will be even better. And do not think that Israeli developments are somewhat different from ours. The roots of Israeli developments in our design bureaus.
    1. Frigate
      Frigate 13 October 2015 21: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Arandir
      What is the point of putting KAZ on an armored SUV?


      It is possible that this is to maintain the spirit of their soldiers. Like do not be afraid, you are protected by the most yarmulke. Those who, looking at the events developing nearby, see that they have already begun to jumble. smile
  34. TOR2
    TOR2 13 October 2015 21: 19 New
    +1
    Народ, а по поводу чего такой сыр-бор? Идёт обычное вытеснение более старых образцов. Придётся добавить капельку "мозгов" выстрелу к РПГ-7. На определённом приближении ракета сделает "змейку" или "бросок кобры". И ни какого тандема не нужно.
  35. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 October 2015 21: 38 New
    +1
    lightweight version of active protection

    it’s like putting a complex of active protection on a bicycle (dangerous for both the cyclist and the bicycle). What only the Jews can imagine.
    It would be better to think about refining the protection of the Merkava tank, otherwise Cornet does it without Vaseline.
  36. beitar
    beitar 13 October 2015 22: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Arandir
    What is the point of putting KAZ on an armored SUV? Which cannot be used as part of a group? So the Israelis will use this SUV in their specific war with the rebels. Calculation of protection against a single strike ATGM or RPG-7. But of course, neither this armored car nor this active defense system can save either from the 12,7 KORD machine gun, or from the ATGM or modern analogs of anti-tank rifles or a high-explosive mine of 8 kg of TNT, or an anti-aircraft mine with an attack core.
    This article is an advertisement of the Israeli complex of active protection. We have such complexes have been developed earlier and were better, but will be even better. And do not think that Israeli developments are somewhat different from ours. The roots of Israeli developments in our design bureaus.



    Wonderful logic: if the KAZ system does not protect against the entire spectrum of threats, then there is no need to give protection against 80% of possible threats. You tell this to our crews whom Windbreaker saved from Cornet
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 13 October 2015 22: 39 New
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      Quote: beitar

      Wonderful logic: if the KAZ system does not protect against the entire spectrum of threats, then there is no need to give protection against 80% of possible threats. You tell this to our crews whom Windbreaker saved from Cornet

      А Вашим экипажам не рассказывали как бьет ЗУшка,КОРД,КПВТ,да любой БТР прекрасно с поставленной задачей справится.В какие дебри Вы лезите?Легко бронированная цель,не надо ни каких корнетов.Достали уже.Статью почитайте и поймете всю абсурдность идеи..Точно кто-то там в коментах сказал:"Вы еще из тактического оружия велосипед обстреляйте". am
  37. sisa29
    sisa29 13 October 2015 23: 36 New
    +1
    This thing would be yes in East Jerusalem, just by car. Arabs throw stones and they fight back and fly back. I think many people would like to throw stones at cars at times.
  38. TanakaKenshin
    TanakaKenshin 13 October 2015 23: 39 New
    0
    On the one hand, a funny thing. I’ve taken it apart.
    On the other ... Why in a jeep?
  39. Engineer
    Engineer 14 October 2015 09: 01 New
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    Quote: Professor
    ak is. We have combat contact with them.

    What is your combat contact with them, hypocrites? Syria is beneficial for you in ruins, so you are helping IS. If Syria recovers, it will demand back the Syrian territories you occupied - the Golan Heights in particular - the trough and drinker of Israel.