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Top 5 cases when Russia and the United States were at the same time

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The disputes between Russia and the United States on the Syrian issue and on other issues in the same UN Security Council, make you wonder: can Moscow and Washington even agree on anything at all? It turns out that they can, if they wish. Diletant. The media has gathered for you several examples of such cooperation.


Alaska For Sale

A Russian diplomat, Eduard Stekl, on behalf of Alexander II, negotiated with the US government for the sale of Alaska.

Top 5 cases when Russia and the United States were at the same time


The idea to sell Alaska to Americans for the first time sounded in the 1850-s. By that time, this territory, discovered during an expedition led by Gvozdev and Fedorov, had belonged to Russia for more than a century. Selling local furs brought a certain income, but over time it became clear: the maintenance of Alaska leaves the royal treasury takes too much money. For the sake of close relations with the USA and strengthening our eastern borders, it was decided to get rid of this region. Negotiations with overseas partners took about a year. The sale and transfer agreement was signed on 30 March 1867 of the year. Alaska cost Americans 7.2 million dollars. At the end of the 19th century, the Gold Rush began in the state of the same name, which convinced critics that the deal was really profitable for the United States itself.

Anti-Hitler coalition

To create a semblance of the anti-Hitler coalition for the struggle against the Islamists in Syria from the rostrum of the UN General Assembly was strongly urged by Vladimir Putin. But from the unanimity of the times of the Second World War, there is not a trace left. Although the enemy of all countries declared the same and the goals, in general, are declared the same, 74 a year ago Moscow and Washington were able to find a common language much faster. The United States supported Stalin and the Soviet people in the early days of the German invasion.



Then they included the USSR in the Lend-Lease program, helping with weapons, equipment and food. Officially, a coalition against the Nazis took shape at the beginning of 1942. The key decisions along with the Americans and Russians were made by the British, and dozens of states had already joined the coalition. The countries, however, had many differences in their understanding of how to counter the Third Reich. The United States and Great Britain were slow in opening the second front, and the USSR was in no hurry to declare war on Japan. They argued about the post-war settlement and the future of Germany. One way or another, the coalition played a key role in defeating Germany and its allies.

Arms reduction

Moscow and Washington often criticize each other for non-compliance with agreements on phased disarmament. But sometimes diplomats still manage to sit at the negotiating table and sign another document. The first such agreement concerned nuclear weapons and was concluded in 1963 year. The treaty, which was later joined by other states, prohibited testing in the atmosphere, space and under water. The next, this time bilateral document, regulated the accumulation of nuclear weapons. The agreement and its subsequent versions are called OSV - strategic arms limitation. In 1987, Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan signed an agreement on the elimination of medium and short-range missiles. Nowadays, the Russian leadership is already negotiating with American colleagues on the reduction of strategic offensive arms. The latest START III agreement provides for the reduction of nuclear warheads to 1550 on each side.



Moscow and Washington often criticize each other for non-compliance with agreements on phased disarmament. But sometimes diplomats still manage to sit at the negotiating table and sign another document. The first such agreement concerned nuclear weapons and was concluded in 1963. The treaty, which was later joined by other states, prohibited testing in the atmosphere, space and under water. The next, this time bilateral document, regulated the accumulation of nuclear weapons. The agreement and its subsequent versions are called OSV - strategic arms limitation. In 1987, Mikhail Gorbachev and Ronald Reagan signed an agreement on the elimination of medium and short-range missiles. Nowadays, the Russian leadership is already negotiating with American colleagues on the reduction of strategic offensive arms. The latest START III agreement provides for the reduction of nuclear warheads to 1550 on each side.

Space

Cooperation of the two countries in space is already more than half a century old, and this is probably the only area that for decades seems to be out of politics. Moscow and Washington signed the first agreement on the use of artificial satellites for meteorology and ultra-long-distance communications, compiling a map of the Earth’s magnetic field in 1962. Since then, another fifty agreements have been concluded. The main symbol of this space “friendship” is the docking of the Soyuz-19 and Apollo ships in 1975.



An important indicator of normal relations in this area is the sharing of the ISS. Another important area of ​​cooperation is the program to launch American commercial satellites from Russian space centers.

The fight against terrorism and drugs

Before relations between our countries began to deteriorate due to the Ukrainian crisis, cooperation in the fight against terrorists was very effective. At least this was openly stated at the State Department. The FSB and the FBI increasingly exchanged information, and after the terrorist attack on the Boston Marathon, the Russian special services helped their American colleagues in the investigation. No less fruitful until recently was "anti-drug" cooperation. After the head of the Federal Drug Control Service, Viktor Ivanov, was blacklisted by the United States, Moscow accused Washington of nullifying its accumulated experiences in the fight against drug trafficking.
Top 5 cases when Russia and the United States were at the same time


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  1. Name
    Name 14 October 2015 05: 50 New
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    Greetings to all! And in all five cases, cooperation was just a trivial calculation on the part of the United States. Benefit, that is what forced Phushington to be on the same side with us.
    1. Manul
      Manul 14 October 2015 07: 44 New
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      Quote: name
      And in all five cases, cooperation was just a trivial calculation on the part of the United States.

      Perhaps only space unites. Everything else is a showdown for territories and resources. That's when there will be settlements on Mars, and suddenly a poor African base will find large deposits of ice ....
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 14 October 2015 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Manul
        Perhaps only space unites.


        What and how ??? Yes, and that the benefit of Russia was ???

        The ISS has long evolved from international to practically Amer, and our astronauts work under the supervision of Amer ...

        We fly on our carriers, and at this time the states are working on something new, not "pushing" the loot into outdated developments ...

        On the contrary, antagonism is developing between space satellite constellations, and in case of major problems they will be knocked down, destroyed first of all ...

        The delivery of our engines to space carriers also frees up part of the US financial resources for new developments ...

        And so on and so forth...

        We and the United States do not have such points of interaction so that there is mutual benefit, no !!!
        1. Manul
          Manul 14 October 2015 13: 02 New
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          Quote: veksha50
          We and the United States do not have such points of interaction so that there is mutual benefit, no !!!

          Quote: Very old
          No longer does not unite
          Only one - Russia, give the engines 180 ...

          You are certainly right. hi I didn't say so - I meant that space is the only thing that can unite. But without the desire of "partners", we will never see this.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 14 October 2015 14: 18 New
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            Quote: Manul
            space, this is the only thing that can unite



            It has not been unifying for a long time ... On the contrary, just in space now the next race is flaring up ... Now look, now Amers are working implicitly on issues of launching weapons into space ... But we stopped these works right after the collapse of the Union ...

            PS I don’t know, maybe ours renewed something, however - time, money and minds were lost ...

            PPS And the desire of the "partners" is to see our country in bearskin and with a club in hand, living in a cave ...
            So there’s nothing to talk about any joint actions ...

            There, only now it flew out on the news line: the USA refused the Russian delegation led by Medvedev to negotiate on the Syrian issue ... And they will not send theirs to us ...

            So we with this torn country are not even fellow travelers ...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 15 October 2015 00: 34 New
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              Quote: veksha50
              PS I don’t know, maybe our people resumed something, but they’re lost time, money and minds.

              I would also add that lost ARMS. The old people cannot stand at the machine, and the youngsters in heels and the factory cannot be driven - everyone is eager to become lawyers and managers. Vaughn, VVP is talking about "developing a vocational education concept." It is, of course, necessary and correct. But why not name those who broke by name? Why is it necessary to finally finish off the secondary school exam? Why is it necessary to kill high school by training at the Polytechnic of lawyers? Why destroy fundamental science with reforms?

              Many "why" and "why". Of course, America works much more efficiently in this regard - as we did in Soviet times. They finance a hundred useless projects, of which SUDDENLY one became a revolution in science and technology. We, too - out of three dozen "homemade" Kalashnikov appeared - that's a breakthrough.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 15 October 2015 00: 24 New
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          Quote: veksha50
          We and the United States do not have such points of interaction so that there is mutual benefit, no !!!

          Who said of the great that "only friendship with them can be worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons"? If we take into account that the English are traditionally understood by the Anglo-Saxons and take into account the history of the settlement of the United States, it becomes clear that in relation to America these words work even better. After all in America gathered not just the Anglo-Saxons, but the very "cream" of adventurers, bandits and swindlers, who in the Old World did not have anything but a rope. By the way, they immediately began to confirm their reputation. Look, the Indians know ...
      2. Very old
        Very old 14 October 2015 11: 39 New
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        Quote: Manul
        Quote: name
        And in all five cases, cooperation was just a trivial calculation on the part of the United States.

        Perhaps only space unites. Everything else is a showdown for territories and resources. That's when there will be settlements on Mars, and suddenly a poor African base will find large deposits of ice ....


        No longer does not unite
        Only one - Russia, give the engines 180 ...
      3. northern
        northern 14 October 2015 15: 14 New
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        As for the cosmos, we did a lot together.
        And as for the rest ... The USA’s success in the fight against terrorism is especially noticeable.
        Alkaida and ISIS themselves arose, everyone believes, of course.
        And in Afghanistan, well, right, well, nobody controls drug trafficking. From the word at all.
  2. venaya
    venaya 14 October 2015 05: 57 New
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    Vladimir Putin urged Putin to create a semblance of an anti-Hitler coalition to fight Islamists in Syria from the rostrum of the UN General Assembly. But from the former unanimity of the times of World War II there was not a trace left.

    Now it has become unnecessary. During WWII, America used the USSR for the final defeat of the British Empire, at the moment there is no such or similar task.
    1. Stranger03
      Stranger03 14 October 2015 06: 23 New
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      And at the end of the Second World War in the 45 year, together with the British, they worked on the Operation Unthinkable, prepared a retaliatory attack on the USSR. And the German troops planned to substitute for this blow. Good allies, their mother ....
      http://topwar.ru/74472-operaciya-nemyslimoe-ili-kak-soyuzniki-gotovili-napadenie
      -na-sssr-v-1945-m-godu.html
      1. Buffalo
        Buffalo 14 October 2015 08: 12 New
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        Cooked! In the 49th they bombed our military airfield in the Far East!
        And in 18, they invaded with intervention, on the territory of the USSR.
        Jacob Shift, an American banker, financed the revolution in Russia. The United States supplied weapons to the revolutionaries.
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 14 October 2015 12: 02 New
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          Quote: Bison
          And in 18, they invaded with intervention, on the territory of the USSR.

          The USSR was formed on December 30, 1922. (Although this does not change the essence of the intervention)
          Number one, it was necessary to put the refusal of RI to George 3, to send an expeditionary force to suppress the revolution in America.
          Probably worth sending. laughing
  3. Vundervaflya
    Vundervaflya 14 October 2015 06: 03 New
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    Quote: name
    Greetings to all! And in all five cases, cooperation was just a trivial calculation on the part of the United States. Benefit, that is what forced Phushington to be on the same side with us.

    Well, this is generally normal, it would be strange if the states just so kindly began to cooperate with us for something without benefit for themselves. By the way, it is worth learning from. The USSR at one time distributed money left and right. And what? Is there a positive result of such a policy? Right, no. So we also need to be as pragmatic as possible and remember that there are no permanent allies, but there are interests of the country and now they are permanent ...
  4. Barboskin
    Barboskin 14 October 2015 06: 14 New
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    Our modest but very important diplomatic contribution that helped America in the War of Independence, when Catherine the Great besieged England a little, was also modestly forgotten, and help in the civil war of the north and south, which was also diplomatic, but we sent a military squadron to the shores of America, who was ready to support Lincoln. True, it didn’t come to that, but she scared anyone.
  5. EvgNik
    EvgNik 14 October 2015 06: 27 New
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    Of this five, only space can be left. Everything else was either violated by the states, or directly caused our science, our progress, or driven into debt. You can negotiate with them only from a position of strength.
  6. kayman4
    kayman4 14 October 2015 07: 19 New
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    Hmm, what about the American Civil War - it’s better to rent out Alaska.
  7. Wedmak
    Wedmak 14 October 2015 07: 26 New
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    Ahem ... I can give examples for each item that we were not at the same time, but along the way. Moreover, the United States, taking full advantage of cooperation with the right hand, inserted sticks into the wheels of our left. And I do not remember a single moment where the United States voluntarily made concessions without a stone in the bosom.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 October 2015 07: 39 New
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    Quote: name
    cooperation was just a trivial calculation on the part of the United States

    Totally agree with you. How many times has Russia offered the United States cooperation in important areas, and in response either silence or a direct refusal. The United States cooperates when it is financially, politically advantageous, and when they just need Russia's help to get out of a difficult situation into which they have driven themselves.
  9. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2015 07: 51 New
    +1
    from this "top" one can only agree with the first point, with a stretch and reservations with the second, but for the rest ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 14 October 2015 09: 42 New
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      With the second, I would simply point out precisely the attitude of American presidents towards the USSR. Roosevelt was very sympathetic and, accordingly, there was help - Churchill put all the wheels in the wheels. But when Roosevelt died, at the end of the war, and Truman appeared, a completely different story had already gone.
  10. Manul
    Manul 14 October 2015 08: 03 New
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    The resource is somehow dubious, to which the link is provided. The dilettante is called "Historical magazine", and for the money. The link will take you to the article, and if you go from scratch, you will be offered to buy an issue for 120 rubles.
  11. akudr48
    akudr48 14 October 2015 08: 17 New
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    Let's not forget that with grandfather Boris Russia and the USA were at the same time many times, many things harm Russia together, for example,

    the appointment by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia Kozyrev by direct instruction to Yeltsin from the State Department,

    voucher privatization by Chubais (and at the same time, the destruction of Russian industry) with the help of American advisers and CIA agents

    the withdrawal of troops from Germany, under a joint march with the Yeltsin dancer and the conductor of the orchestra, and Clinton, as a spectator

    export of 500 tons of weapons-grade plutonium from Russia to the USA under the Gore - Chernomyrdin deal

    the destruction of Yugoslavia by America from the air, and under the word of honor of Chernomyrdin Milosevic, to surrender on earth
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 14 October 2015 08: 51 New
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      Kozyrev today has moved to America, for great services ...
  12. Buffalo
    Buffalo 14 October 2015 08: 24 New
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    The author somehow bashfully kept silent about the collaboration of the bald Vovik Lenin and his American fellow tribeman, Armand Hammer, to sell Russian church antiques and jewelry confiscated from the Church for nothing. Values ​​were exported through Estonia, smuggled.
    The final statement of the confiscated church property was received only by November. 1922 In total, more than 33 pounds of gold, 23 pounds of silver, 997 diamonds were collected from churches and monasteries. The total value of the seized amounted to 35 gold rubles.
    http://maxpark.com/community/5134/content/3493365
  13. Buffalo
    Buffalo 14 October 2015 08: 36 New
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    A treacherous deal to sell 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium from Russia, to the United States, at a dumping price (Adam and Co.). And if measured by the oil equivalent, then 500 tons cost $ 8 trillion. By the way, according to the gold equivalent, experts estimate 500 tons at 510 billion dollars.
    Of the 500 tons, at least half was delivered to the United States.
    http://dfedbees.livejournal.com/48889.html
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 14 October 2015 10: 15 New
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      Quote: Bison
      A treacherous deal to sell 500 tons of weapons-grade uranium from Russia, to the United States, at a dumping price (Adam and Co.). And if measured by the oil equivalent, then 500 tons cost $ 8 trillion. By the way, according to the gold equivalent, experts estimate 500 tons at 510 billion dollars.

      Not everything is so simple.

      The HEU-LEU agreement caused damage comparable to a nuclear strike to the US nuclear industry. Cheap "Russian Uranium" actually knocked out of the processing chain one of the most technically difficult links - enrichment. If before this deal the Americans planned to modernize the industry with the transition from the gaseous diffusion method to centrifuges, then after it the American MCC simply did not have the money for this. Why spend extra money on an expensive domestic product, invest in production when there is a cheap imported one? Nothing personal, just business.
      The Yankees became sober in the 2000s. But it was already too late - the "civilian atom" was heavily addicted to Russian uranium. The first dose is free.
  14. Buffalo
    Buffalo 14 October 2015 08: 40 New
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    Alaska sale.
    http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/392139
  15. Buffalo
    Buffalo 14 October 2015 08: 47 New
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    The Shevardnadze-Baker Treaty: Russian stupidity or treason?
    http://www.newsinfo.ru/articles/2008-11-06/shevardnadze/538697/
  16. Buffalo
    Buffalo 14 October 2015 08: 49 New
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    Well, and finally, the surrender of the Tagged Humpbacked USSR.
  17. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 14 October 2015 09: 07 New
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    Is this cooperation .... Calculation by the United States! The mask of friendship was dressed, that's all)))
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 October 2015 09: 34 New
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    Two bears in the same den will not get along.
  19. stabskapitan
    stabskapitan 14 October 2015 10: 18 New
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    But what about the armed neutrality of Catherine the Great? Without this, the USA would not exist.
  20. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 14 October 2015 10: 29 New
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    They forgot the strangest episode of cooperation - the Suez crisis, Egypt, 1956. Then the United States and the USSR unexpectedly came forward as a united front against the Anglo-French aggression against Egypt.
  21. revnagan
    revnagan 14 October 2015 10: 39 New
    +1
    Well, yes, well, yes. As the cat Matroskin said: "Joint work ... for MY benefit ... it unites!" And this is what folk wisdom says - "Be friends with the bear, but hold on to the ax!"
  22. lukewarm
    lukewarm 14 October 2015 10: 49 New
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    No matter the top, even the jump, but "cooperation" was always either forced or losing for us. Especially examples of "detente" and Gorbachev's betrayal. All some stretched examples, albeit top. And the anti-Hitler "coalition", the clearest example of stones in its bosom, almost ended with Operation Unthinkable.
  23. 4ekist
    4ekist 14 October 2015 11: 28 New
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    No illusions needed. Americans agree only when it suits them.
  24. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 14 October 2015 11: 42 New
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    Except the second, all cases of delirium and betrayal of our leaders. On the second occasion. If Hitler hung the Jews less, then the United States would be along with Germany.
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 October 2015 16: 44 New
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    Well, here's another example: "Ambassadors of Russia and the United States, Andrei Karlov and John Bass, were summoned to the Turkish Foreign Ministry on Tuesday in connection with military aid, which, according to Ankara, is being provided to the Syrian Kurds," the diplomatic department of the republic said. " .ru / news / 2015/10/14 / 772311.html