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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is working on a manual on etiquette "Polite People"

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation began work on the manual on etiquette "Polite People", designed to eradicate mate in the army, reports TV Center with reference to the edition "News".




Information about this is contained in the official response of the department to the appeal of the public movement "All-Russian Parent's Assembly", which, in particular, noted that "it is not appropriate that servicemen - from generals, admirals to ordinary soldiers and sailors - foul language, shaming the honor of the uniform and Russian warrior. "

“During classes on public-state preparation, when conducting educational activities with all categories of personnel, special attention is paid to preventing profanity,” the Russian military department said in response.

Also, the Ministry of Defense reported that in the near future will be issued a manual on etiquette.

“Currently, the Russian Defense Ministry, together with the well-known expert in the field of etiquette and protocol of the Center for Effective Technologies, Ivan Artsishevsky, is preparing to publish a handbook,“ Polite People ”, designed for servicemen and their family members, in which the rules of etiquette outside the location of the military unit, in everyday life, everyday life, ”the Ministry of Defense emphasized.

According to the author of the manual, the book has already received a positive review from the military academy, and at the moment the Ministry of Defense is deciding what its circulation will be.

“This is etiquette for the military, how to behave when they took off the form - how to greet, introduce themselves, use the devices correctly and so on. Russian officers always had a high degree of education. In Soviet times, military academies were taught etiquette, ”he stressed.
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  1. Svyatogor
    Svyatogor 13 October 2015 08: 36
    40
    It is impossible to remove the mat from the Russian vocabulary. Mat, after all, is often not an insult, but a kind of short message.
    1. matross
      matross 13 October 2015 08: 41
      +4
      They won’t stop understanding. Will cease to be Russian.
      1. Air Force captain
        Air Force captain 13 October 2015 09: 23
        24
        American scientists, analyzing the statistics of battles with the Japanese in World War II, found that, despite the equality of forces, US troops won more often. The reason was found in the length of the words in English and Japanese. In English, the average word length is five letters, and in Japanese thirteen. That is, while the Japanese were still setting a combat mission, the Americans were already starting to shoot. After that, the American army introduced the custom of giving short names (nicknames) to both its military equipment and the enemy’s equipment.
        When this information reached the Russians, they calculated the average word length in Russian, which turned out to be equal to seven letters. However, field studies showed: in the process of controlling a battle, the commander automatically switches to mat and the information content of speech increases by two to three times.
        1. Oberon812
          Oberon812 13 October 2015 09: 43
          13
          That's right, swear words are very appropriate on the battlefield wink But in civilian life it is possible to breed politeness, it also disciplines, by the way.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 13 October 2015 09: 51
            14
            I also think that the mat is useful! How it does not sound tricky!
            Its application, the construction of many forms develops the logic of thinking, humor, ingenuity! Exactly what distinguishes Russian people!

            PS: Of course, I am against its use everywhere! Only among themselves, not with children!
            All the same, they will learn among themselves gradually!
            That is why the Russian language is great and powerful! Only in Russian is such a variety of forms of mat and absolute logic!
            And in the Army - in general, without a mat in any way! Again - the mood! Positive emotions and relaxation!
        2. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 13 October 2015 09: 59
          +2
          Air Force captain
          ... field studies showed: in the process of controlling a battle, the commander automatically switches to mate and the information content of speech increases by two to three times.

          ANEKDOT: In the attestation, one chief wrote - ... "Captain I. speaks three languages: command and obscene perfectly, Russian with a dictionary" ...
          The approver of the certification made amendments: "Not three, but two ... either the commander and the obscene are one and the same"!
          This decision raises many questions! It turns out that we can lose the managerial language in the army ??? And the explanations will not be so accurate (I loved hearing at the Military Councils to get to know myself. Of the 40 minutes allotted for speaking, I will be allowed to speak 3-4 on the strength, and then ... then - the members of the Armed Forces will tell you everything very juicyly !) ....
          And not only in our units will the control deteriorate ... the military halves of the world in stressful situations switch to the "great and mighty" ... How will they then control the troops?
        3. Altona
          Altona 13 October 2015 12: 18
          +2
          Quote: Air Force Captain
          However, the field studies showed: in the process of controlling the battle, the commander automatically switches to mat and the information content of speech increases by two to three times.

          ---------------------
          Only one phrase to the subordinate "Yes, you are overwhelmed!" already helps the subordinate to understand the essence of the order and build a logical chain of actions ... lol
      2. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 09: 25
        -5
        We stop being Russian when we swear.
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 13 October 2015 09: 52
          +1
          No way! soldier
          On the contrary! hi
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 13 October 2015 10: 01
          15
          Quote: Sober
          We stop being Russian when we swear.


          We stop being Russian when we stop disinterestedly helping each other .. IMHO

          When it was necessary for me to tear someone as a sloppy cat, I also became polite to diarrhea .. and the fighter knew that appealing to you did not bode well for him ... and the mat allows you to quickly get a person out of a stupor if there is .. and you can give a kick .. a kick in the ass is better than a bullet in the head .. something like that.
        3. Shuttle
          Shuttle 13 October 2015 10: 40
          +3
          Quote: Sober
          We stop being Russian when we swear.

          And you, Comrade Petty Officer, would you begin to express obscenities with your mother?
          And with a stranger? For example, with the mother of your children?
          And with a mother, would your children not be?
          I think that a Russian officer can allow himself to be exhausted with all his wide soul, but in such a way that it will not offend his faithful comrade-in-arms, and no one else will hear. Neither children, nor women, nor elders, nor even the enemy. More precisely, the enemy can and can hear, but I can’t tell anyone anymore.
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      1. hedgehog in the fog
        hedgehog in the fog 13 October 2015 09: 38
        +4
        I remember that in the army on the march, the BMD once died out, the second one went, they walked along the country forest in a convoy, if our matyugalnik hadn’t opened, hell would have brought her mechs so fast smile
    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz 13 October 2015 08: 42
      18
      "An army without a mat, a soldier without a machine gun!" )))))
      1. Varyag_1973
        Varyag_1973 13 October 2015 09: 03
        19
        I remember after the demobilization, at home I kept silent for a whole week, my mother asks something, and you sit and are silent, trying to correctly formulate a sentence in normal Russian! Our foreman was good, but he was so great and powerful that his ears folded into a tube! I still can’t repeat his pearls, the softest:
        - Urges country ur * od * s, and you here f *** with them! The main command reached everyone, both Russian and non-Russian, so as now commanders will not know how to command!

        PySy. But seriously, the Russian officer at all times was the standard, you just need to know where and under what circumstances it is possible and even necessary to use the great and mighty, and where it is not even a topic! No offense will be said, but it seems to me that during the Second World War our attack went not only with a cry; for the homeland, for Stalin, and with something else!
        1. Leviton
          Leviton 13 October 2015 09: 17
          +1
          Quote: Varyag_1973
          But seriously, the Russian officer at all times was the standard, you just need to know where and under what circumstances it is possible and even necessary to use the great and mighty, and where it is not even a topic! No offense will be said, but it seems to me that during the Second World War our attack went not only with a cry; for the homeland, for Stalin, and with something else!

          Even the Amers after the war recognized that the shorter the order, the greater the chance of victory. After analyzing the teams of countries participating in the Second World War, they came to the conclusion that the average order of German soldiers was 6,8 characters, Japanese - 14,4, Americans and British - 4,7, Russian - 5,2, but when using profanity it was reduced to 3,4 character ......
          1. Sober
            Sober 13 October 2015 09: 35
            -7
            Right friends! Therefore, from the cradle we will teach children to speak like the last scum.
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 13 October 2015 10: 14
            +6
            Quote: LevITon
            Even the Amers after the war recognized that the shorter the order, the greater the chance of victory.
            It's not just the length or brevity of the order, the number of symbols. If brevity does not provide the necessary information content, there will be little sense from this, and if it was only a matter of the number of symbols, the animal roar would be the standard for victory. Mat, part of the Russian language, and the Russian language is one of the most informative, such a depth of transmission of all the nuances of thought and feeling is difficult to find in other languages. Even when translating profanity in American films, the monotonous "fak" is voiced by our translators and "your mother", and "went to", and other, closer and more accurate Russian equivalents. If you take English, you cannot read the word correctly in the dictionary, it is always given with transcription. The Russian language does not need transcription, moreover, in "Russian letters", as transcription can be used to write any foreign word or sentence. This is achieved by the fact that in the Russian language, each letter actually corresponds to the sound, not only the Russian language, but one way or another is suitable for all the sounds of the languages ​​of the peoples of the world, therefore the Cyrillic alphabet was so easily adapted for the peoples of the USSR that did not have their own written language. Returning to the topic, I would state that our military, of course, need to know literary Russian, but we need to study the entire spectrum of the Russian language, from Pushkin's poetry, to the selected hand-to-hand mate, you just need to know what is needed and where, and it is more correct to use it. and this is already a matter of general culture and military expediency.
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 13 October 2015 09: 57
          +3
          When my grandfather of the Soviet Army was presenting himself in civilian life in any situation. To his unpleasant surprise, he noticed that for 1,5 years of service he was weaned from normal speech, appropriate at least for meeting representatives of the fair sex. Over the remaining six months, he more or less restored the acceptable manner of conversation necessary for communication outside the army. I even got a taste and took books in the army library with the works of Russian writers of the mid-late 19th century, not because they were interesting to me, but exclusively for the correct construction of speech turns, because it is syllable 19, the beginning of the 20th century I somehow like it better. A kind of banter. However, this lesson did not exclude the ability to competently and in the case to be exhausted. But this is already in exceptional situations.
      2. muks
        muks 13 October 2015 10: 18
        +2
        RUSSIA HAS TWO ALLIES - THE ARMY AND THE NAVY. It was the author of these words who was the most inveterate swearing man in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. Mat did not prevent Alexander the third ... to send to .. the whole europka with the poor Kaiser together, it was with this "swearing man" that the RUSSIAN EMPIRE reached .... oh, he is still ten years old! But it does not mean at all that the tsar-father Alexander is mother your spouse and children - everything has its place.
    4. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 13 October 2015 08: 42
      +6
      Russian mate is great and powerful! Everyone immediately understands it ... wassat It is useless to fight it, but it is necessary to stop it, if not in the subject ..
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 October 2015 08: 46
        +4
        "All-Russian Parent Meeting",
        What is this big top?
        1. Col.
          Col. 13 October 2015 09: 02
          13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          "All-Russian Parent Meeting",
          What is this big top?


          There is a movement called Soldiers' Mothers. It (this movement) so annoyed the MO with its demands to increase the care for their children that they no longer know how to fight them off. Mothers don't want to understand what a soldier should be man, not mama's son with a bib. There is even such a joke that now the Oath has been replaced by a solemn promise not to pee in bed. And as for the mate, it's useless. Listen to what "language" the schoolchildren speak, their ears will faint ... If we are to educate, then until the age of five, it will be too late.
          And about the etiquette manual: I read this back in the 80s. It was a rather thick book, published by the USSR Ministry of Defense. The one that our "reformers" reinvent the wheel again.
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 13 October 2015 09: 08
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What is this big top?

          and most importantly, where? and why not invited? request
      2. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 09: 36
        -3
        Mikhalych, the Russian mat does not exist! We got it wrong that we can’t communicate in our native language!
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 October 2015 08: 45
      20
      In short, our MO announces a war mate belay ... We ...... will lose this warrior laughing
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 13 October 2015 08: 49
        +3
        An army without a mat, like a wedding without alcohol - we know, have already passed! yes
        1. Sober
          Sober 13 October 2015 09: 38
          0
          You can do it in Russian. And I read, and I see!
      2. andj61
        andj61 13 October 2015 08: 55
        11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In short, our MO announces a war mate belay ... We ...... will lose this warrior laughing

        That's for sure! I recall an old joke from the 70s. For younger people, a reference — diamat — is dialectical materialism, one of the sections of Marxist-Leninist philosophy, which is mandatory for study in all universities of the USSR.
        - Question: what is the difference between mat and diamate? -
        - Answer: everyone knows the mat, but in a cultural society they prefer not to apply this knowledge. No one knows the diamat, but in a cultural society they try to emphasize knowledge of its foundations .-
        -Question: What are the similarities between mat and diamate? -
        - Answer: This is a formidable weapon in the hands of the proletariat! fellow
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 13 October 2015 08: 57
      10
      Quote: Svyatogor
      It is impossible to remove the mat from the Russian vocabulary. Mat, after all, is often not an insult, but a kind of short message.

      We are polite people with friends, but we will not breed ceremony with enemies.
    7. ARES623
      ARES623 13 October 2015 09: 15
      0
      Quote: Svyatogor
      It is impossible to remove the mat from the Russian vocabulary. Mat, after all, is often not an insult, but a kind of short message.

      Well, yes, is dirt under the nails a way to protect the body from parasites? But seriously, these "defenders" of the Russian peculiarity enrage. Even more so when walking with your child or wife. I just want to answer for these SMS with a "stupid and hard object" in the head, so that they can transfer SMS to the Great and Mighty.
      1. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 09: 43
        -1
        Forgot Mother tongue! And profanity is considered the Russian language. If the speech of a half-fool ensign became the standard for the Russians ... Where are we going.
      2. viktor1979
        viktor1979 13 October 2015 21: 54
        0
        Mat is one of the ways of expression in Russian, but it must be applied to the situation accordingly.
    8. lukewarm
      lukewarm 13 October 2015 09: 16
      +1
      laughing +100500. The message.
      Quote: Svyatogor
      kind of short message.
      SMSka
    9. Strong
      Strong 13 October 2015 09: 21
      +1
      Describes the situation, state of affairs, etc. not in a "professorial" language, but in an understandable, public language.

      went to .... soldier
      1. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 09: 46
        -4
        Well, if Russian is difficult for you, then it’s understandable.
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    11. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 09: 26
      -3
      Yes, dirt on the tongue has become the norm, like pid.arastiya in the west.
    12. Dejavu
      Dejavu 13 October 2015 09: 31
      +2
      I remember our warrant officer explaining the difference between "Rota, rise !!!" and just "Rise bl ... db !!!" As practice has shown, the reaction of the soldiers to the second command was much faster.
    13. marlin1203
      marlin1203 13 October 2015 10: 24
      0
      Well this is emotions ... poetry ... In battle, this is generally the bioenergetic "burning out" of the enemy. laughing You cannot take us away from our "roots". And it won't work. The teachers are having fun again soldier
      1. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 12: 54
        -1
        I have roots: MOTHER, and you ....
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    14. morozik
      morozik 13 October 2015 11: 04
      +1
      training of polite people)

    15. theadenter
      theadenter 13 October 2015 12: 52
      0
      Unaccustomed to the mat can perceive it as aggressiveness. Especially in other countries.
  2. Bassoon
    Bassoon 13 October 2015 08: 37
    11
    You can’t refuse a mat in the army at all)
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 13 October 2015 08: 47
      +5
      How to "hold a fork / knife", as well as the ability to dance and play the piano - a good idea ..!
      But it’s politely to kill and die without a mat .. - utter stupidity ..!
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 13 October 2015 09: 09
      +4
      how then to encrypt a radio exchange? what
      1. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 09: 47
        0
        Humor is good without a mat!
  3. Snake AAA
    Snake AAA 13 October 2015 08: 39
    10
    The guide to etiquette :))) - this is the charter of the armed forces !!! Everything is very clear and clearly described there, for all occasions of a soldier’s life !!!! And the rest is paper swindle, and the money spent on it is better to let it go !!!
  4. EvgNik
    EvgNik 13 October 2015 08: 39
    16
    First, we need to work to ensure that students do not swear. And it happens, you go past teenagers - and your ears fade. Moreover, girls and obscenities and smoking outsmart guys. And this manual is more related to the field of curiosities. And etiquette is worth learning from childhood, and not in military schools.
    1. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 09: 48
      -2
      So these officers will teach their children.
  5. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 13 October 2015 08: 40
    +2
    Quote: Svyatogor
    If you remove the mat from the Russian lexicon, our people will cease to understand each other.

    It will be necessary - they will understand!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 October 2015 08: 46
      +5
      Quote: Voha_krim

      It will be necessary - they will understand!

      Immediately clear that he did not serve wink
      1. andj61
        andj61 13 October 2015 09: 01
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Voha_krim

        It will be necessary - they will understand!

        Immediately clear that he did not serve wink

        good A few years ago a message flashed across the network - I don’t remember the details, but like - English scientists ( laughing ) conducted a study and found out that the Russian military with the help of a mat achieve a reduction in the time of setting the task and communication in combat conditions by half compared with the Americans and the British. This allows you to fight more effectively! soldier
        So in everyday life, the mat should be minimized - definitely! hi
        But in the service - use to increase the effectiveness of the combat use of the armed forces! soldier bully
        1. Sober
          Sober 13 October 2015 09: 51
          -6
          It is not necessary to quote their dirty popaganda. All the more proud of his filth.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 13 October 2015 10: 13
            +5
            Quote: Sober
            It is not necessary to quote their dirty popaganda. All the more proud of his filth.


            I have one question for you ... clearly show me what I should say to a fighter when, instead of a lit TNT checker, he throws a box of matches and runs with this checker to cover the rest ...

            or when firing an extra barrel from a tank with a 14,5 mm cartridge misalignment, he pulls out the top one and starts threshing it at the rest in the clip ((hands were torn off at a time)

            you still have examples?
            1. Sober
              Sober 13 October 2015 12: 57
              -3
              Why more examples. You have clearly proved that you have forgotten how to speak Russian.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 13 October 2015 14: 13
                +4
                Quote: Sober
                Why more examples. You have clearly proved that you have forgotten how to speak Russian.


                you would control your Russian ..

                Quote: Sober
                their popaganda

                Quote: Sober
                your children

                Quote: Sober
                Humor is good without a mat!
                (sol is written with a soft sign and fork without soft laughing )
                Quote: Sober
                scum.

                Quote: Sober
                pid.arastia
                (pederasty in Russian, it sounds like this repeat )

                Quote: Sober
                half-fool


                for some reason, you yourself do not disdain curses for comparison and designation ... laughing
                1. andj61
                  andj61 13 October 2015 14: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: vorobey
                  for some reason, you yourself do not disdain curses for comparison and designation ...

                  5 ++++! good Clearly noticed, Alexander!
                  In the army, and even in the civilian in extreme situations, you can’t get away from the mat. And only a prude can argue that this is not so! hi
                2. Sober
                  Sober 13 October 2015 18: 26
                  -1
                  Thanks for the lesson, dear! I will not be justified. Who hurt, I'm sorry.
                  For reference: pederasty is not a curse, but a medical term that, in modern psychiatry, has suddenly disappeared.
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 13 October 2015 21: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Sober
                    pederasty not a curse word


                    yes, but you wrote something else ... I don’t defend the mat as it might seem at first glance, but sometimes without it nowhere ... by the way, if you are so drawn to the roots, then in the Old Slavic alphabet there is no letter Ha - there is a letter Her.
                    1. Sober
                      Sober 13 October 2015 22: 28
                      -1
                      Thanks for the info. Once again, I apologize if I touched. I will try to be polite. I’m somewhat familiar with Old Slavonic.
                      I have a very old keyboard at work. And I do not always check what I typed. However, thanks anyway.
            2. Evgen_Vasilich
              Evgen_Vasilich 13 October 2015 14: 49
              +1
              or, for example, an offensive grenade, after having pulled out a ring, shifting from the right hand to the left (left-handed, because the female dog) drops the grenade for itself and for me under the feet in the trench ????
  6. ilyaches
    ilyaches 13 October 2015 08: 41
    +7
    “This is etiquette for the military, how to behave when they took off their uniforms - how to say hello, introduce themselves, use devices correctly, and so on. Russian officers have always been distinguished by a high degree of education. In Soviet times, they taught at military academies. "

    And now what prevents learning etiquette? Lack of benefits? If we want to get a well-educated society (including the military), then this must be dealt with from kindergarten and school. And to tear three skins from those who swear anywhere at every convenient and inconvenient occasion.
    1. Beaver
      Beaver 13 October 2015 10: 11
      0
      Quote: ilyaches
      And to tear three skins from those who swear anywhere

      In fact, the swindler refers to administrative offenses and is punishable by a heavy duty. repeat Who is stopping our valiant policemen from right now starting to monitor the enforcement of administrative law? hi
      Personally, I treat the mat as a specific instrument communication, essential in some cases. am Agree to just walk along the street, swinging in front of all the oncoming-transverse with some kind of puncher or even just a plane, what kind of stupid person should be? wassat
  7. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 13 October 2015 08: 42
    +7
    Quote: Fagot
    You can’t refuse a mat in the army at all)


    So it reads between the lines - when you CAN'T swear, and when you can (and should!) And so everyone knows. In general, "polite people" is a global trend already, it's time to patent.
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 October 2015 08: 43
    10
    A well-mannered person (parents, military school ...) and without benefits knows how to behave outside the service. But in the service there are situations when the most effective tool is a simple Russian mat.
    1. Monos
      Monos 13 October 2015 08: 51
      +6
      Well yes. And also - on the scoreboard. wassat
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 13 October 2015 10: 14
        +1
        Quote: Monos
        And also - in a board

        It's not humane. Another thing is "a severe reprimand with entry into the chest" (well, or into the liver).
        1. Monos
          Monos 13 October 2015 13: 13
          +4
          If the heart does not open, knock on the liver ... wassat
    2. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 09: 54
      -3
      There is no Russian mat. Imposed dirt from the outside. During the invasion of the barbarian hordes. There was no such attitude to mother in Russian, there was a holy concept.
  9. chikenous59
    chikenous59 13 October 2015 08: 49
    10
    Without a mat in the garage, the tightest nut cannot be unscrewed, and in the army without a mat you cannot give a clear and concise order during the database.
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 13 October 2015 10: 10
      +4
      and a polite soldier, without saying a bad word and not grating for a long time, with a butt in his teeth or a bullet in his guts, for nothing is so cheap and valued as dearly as politeness. yes
  10. Decathlon
    Decathlon 13 October 2015 08: 50
    +8
    Etiquette, of course, a good thing! But then the Charter should stipulate a set of phrases that are allowed for use by military personnel when, for example, it flies on the head with an unsecured manhole cover. It happened to me belay ! Of the 27 words I gave out during the incident (according to my colleagues), only the word "hatch" was censored. True, it was a long time ago (1982) ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 October 2015 08: 56
      +2
      Quote: Decathlon
      But then the Charter should stipulate a set of phrases,

      Have you ever been tired of reading? Just not articles of guard duty.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 13 October 2015 09: 16
        +2
        You can certainly communicate without a mat, but not everyone has such a talent: wink
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 October 2015 09: 27
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          You can certainly communicate without a mat, but not everyone has such a talent:

          It's called send beautifully laughing
          1. Beaver
            Beaver 13 October 2015 10: 19
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It's called send beautifully

            I recommend:
            Young man, I’m suitable for your fathers (e ... your mother);
            E-uh, my friend, yes you will go far (you went to ...);
            This is below my dignity (yes I generally ... th). hi
            Use it!
          2. Sober
            Sober 13 October 2015 13: 05
            0
            I agree over the past 20 years, total lack of culture.
    2. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 13 October 2015 09: 05
      +2
      when he, for example, flies on the head with an unsecured manhole cover ...
      Sorry...!
      And about the mat I agree with you ..
      The newly made "teachers" will soon teach our soldiers how to politely piss in their pants ...
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 13 October 2015 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: Decathlon
      But then the Charter should stipulate a set of phrases that are allowed for use by military personnel when, for example, they fly over the head with an unsecured manhole cover


      Oh .. it really hurts .. it flew into me .. but then the mechanic rake that pulled the car without turning off the gear ... and how many fingers on the armor ran away when they tried to catch and close the opened hatch on the go .. at ...
    4. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 14 October 2015 20: 07
      +2
      Quote: Decathlon
      Etiquette, of course, a good thing! But then the Charter should stipulate a set of phrases that are allowed for use by military personnel when, for example, it flies on the head with an unsecured manhole cover. It happened to me belay ! Of the 27 words I gave out during the incident (according to my colleagues), only the word "hatch" was censored. True, it was a long time ago (1982) ...

      Uv.Maksim, it’s not that a person swears, a routine is a natural reaction to certain life situations, no one will pursue anyone for this, in combat conditions, I’m sure, too, the main thing is that the commanders treat their subordinates with dignity, without rudeness and mate. I served as an urgent private, served after a medical institute, it was in the SA in 84-85. Once, a certain warrant officer by the name of Soup (this is a real last name) was an ordinary illiterate Khokhlyatsk cattle from a stinky village, publicly hit me in the face with my colleagues, and I had no right to answer, because I am an ordinary, but it-com. ensign. that is why I welcome the complete prohibition of swearing senior in rank (position) in relation to the subordinate.
  11. skayl
    skayl 13 October 2015 08: 53
    +1
    It’s impossible without a * native * catchword, the soldiers of the officers will not understand, and morale will drop ..... Yes, a lot of things replace the mat!
  12. Stinger
    Stinger 13 October 2015 08: 55
    +5
    The task is difficult. Moreover, today, cute ladies will give a hundred points to the military. As the unforgettable A.I. Swan: We do not swear at obscenities - we talk to them.
    1. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 09: 56
      -3
      Scary words, but true.
  13. Barboskin
    Barboskin 13 October 2015 08: 57
    +5
    Scientists have invented watches that go ahead for one minute, if you have to swear at them. We hung the clock in a kindergarten, went ahead 3 days in a day, 10 minutes in the administration, and 1 hour in the factory. Hanged in the barracks. The ensign comes in, it’s not so, it’s not so, he looks at his watch and says, “Why did they hang the fan on the wall ?!”
  14. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 13 October 2015 08: 59
    +8
    An anecdote on the topic: the USSR military town sent soldiers to kindergarten to make an electrician. Children began to swear.
    Educators to the commander: "Your soldiers taught children to swear"
    Commander summons a soldier
    -Material?
    -no.
    were there any problems?
    - Yes
    -what kind?
    - Private Petrov, soldering the wire at a height, for some reason began to drip me by the collar with molten tin, I held the stepladder on which he stood.
    I him:
    - Private Petrov, don’t you see that you are dripping hot tin to a friend for the collar?
    -Sorry, comrade.
  15. RomanS
    RomanS 13 October 2015 09: 00
    -3
    Educational work begins with a national idea. Today, due to the lack of such, the popularization of the army and the raising of the prestige of military personnel leads to the nomination of a new elite of officers. Instead of thieves and bandits. But the elite must meet the advanced requirements of the time. Why don’t you say, and the study of Lenin’s works in the Soviet school and in political classes in the army still finds quotes in the head of the corresponding situation. I think the training manual is timely and relevant.
  16. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 13 October 2015 09: 00
    +7
    A real Russian mate, must come from the depths of your soul ... And you don't even think about the phrases, it flows like a song like a nightingale trill! When you calm down, you think like, "I bent this and all around silenceaaaaa ..." (I rarely use it in my family, as it is not customary, but if they bring the fig, he knows where the "words" come from) RIDDLE of the Russian soul ... hi
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 13 October 2015 10: 05
      +1
      Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
      A real Russian mat, must come from the depths of the soul ... THE MYSTERY of the Russian soul ....

      correct therefore:
  17. Monos
    Monos 13 October 2015 09: 02
    +5
    Why are you so zealously defending the swearing? If a person expresses all his thoughts and feelings with dozens of swear words, this indicates the level of his mind and education. To defend your right to stupidity is bold. (He served in the army, swearing obscenities)
    1. Svyatogor
      Svyatogor 13 October 2015 09: 28
      +4
      Do you think that our minister Lavrov is poorly educated, even if he could not stand the stupidity of his opponents?
      1. Monos
        Monos 13 October 2015 13: 15
        +4
        I did not hear Lavrov swearing. But if it was, it does not honor him.
    2. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 09: 59
      0
      Thank God there are people who think in Russian!
  18. roofless
    roofless 13 October 2015 09: 02
    +1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D--SNQH52oA
  19. Erg
    Erg 13 October 2015 09: 07
    +8
    Thanks to our mat, I understand a little the language of Asia and the Caucasus wassat
    1. andj61
      andj61 13 October 2015 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Erg
      Thanks to our mat, I understand a little the language of Asia and the Caucasus wassat

      Of course, even when they speak their own language, then our mother! Based on this, as well as the inevitable connectives in Russian and also seeing a developing situation, you can perfectly understand everything without translation! repeat
  20. RusDV
    RusDV 13 October 2015 09: 07
    +4
    "In the classroom for public training, during educational activities with all categories of personnel ...."

    After all, it is specifically indicated in the article - when it is impossible to use the mat. This is normal and natural. A polite person will fight politely in battle ... As for extreme situations, the article does not say anything, therefore, it will be possible and necessary to use the mat for the speed of information exchange .... wink
  21. iv.ionov
    iv.ionov 13 October 2015 09: 13
    +7
    Yeah, do not swear !!! I imagine: a soldier is running in otaku and screaming, respected invader and occupier, and I have the honor to attack you !!! Be so kind as to leave my country !!! Otherwise, I will be forced to destroy you, you are my good !!! Yes, the mat raises the fighting SPIRIT, provides local anesthesia, etc., etc.
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  23. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 13 October 2015 09: 14
    +6
    The eradication of the mat in the Russian army will lead to a significant weakening of the potential of our armed forces. After all, it has already been proved more than once that with unexpected clashes with the enemy, the transfer of Russian troops to profanity several times reduced the time it took to issue an order and to understand and execute it.
    In addition, the mat in the Russian army allows you to overcome the language barrier between military personnel, compensate for the lack of erudition among both chiefs and subordinates, and also allows soldiers of different military branches to communicate on equal terms. The ban on the mat will significantly complicate the process of making claims by the Ministry of Defense for the quality of delivered weapons to the military-industrial complex. About communication with civilians, I generally keep quiet.
    1. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 10: 01
      -7
      Well said. Mat is the language of stupid and limited people.
      1. TanakaKenshin
        TanakaKenshin 13 October 2015 13: 33
        +3
        Is there a humanist or something? No.
        You are our smart one, and how you can react without mat or other profanity AND / OR physical violence, for example, in two situations from my not very vast past:
        1. Two minutes before the end of the break (a hockey match of the then-existing Major League), the sound engineer, your immediate subordinate, decided that he should go and eat and left without warning anyone.
        2. You have been working for promises for the third month, there is no money in the office even for toilet paper, all hope for the current project. At your disposal are drawings, for the transfer of which an electronic office in a certain Riga office received good money, and received it in its entirety. And you see that the drawings are made up as if the artist had never before seen drawings, an auto-cad, and a computer (the corners were drawn from the bald and connected in some way, the proportions of the drawing do not correspond to the dimensions indicated in the drawing, there are still a bunch of jambs, plus a bunch in the file any rubbish, because of which the computer was beating in hysterics quite decent for those times (about four years ago). And you will have to bring all this into a divine form, and no one else.
      2. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 18: 36
        -1
        Look, they have minus.
      3. Erg
        Erg 13 October 2015 23: 29
        0
        Sober. Mat is a spirit. The meaning is not in the words themselves, but in the presentation. In what spark we put into the essence of what is happening. Of course, I do not approve of its use in a "wide" society.
  24. BLOND
    BLOND 13 October 2015 09: 17
    0
    ... the manual "Polite People", designed for servicemen and members of their families, in which the rules of etiquette, behavior outside the military unit, in everyday life, everyday life are described in a short and figurative form
    those. "when going out" ... Why not?
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  26. afrikanez
    afrikanez 13 October 2015 09: 19
    +7
    Than fight obscenities, it would be better if foreign words were eradicated from the language. To listen to how young people are talking now and it becomes immediately clear who this part of society is equal to.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 13 October 2015 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: afrikanez
      it would be better if foreign words from the language were eradicated.

      and how do you propose to do this? Brows old-fashioned in the comments? And by the way, do not confuse the newspeak of teenagers with borrowing. To fight the Tin language, one must first kill the network subculture. Which, in fact, is beyond the power of anyone.
  27. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 13 October 2015 09: 21
    10
    I don’t want to argue ... But I read the memoirs of "comfrey" in the Second World War. So, he directly said that the soldiers should be roused to the attack, without a mate, and it was not customary there to shout "For the Motherland ... for Stalin", as in films and books .... When they rose, nevertheless, there was a terrible swearing (choral ), because everyone was scared at the beginning .... Eternal memory to them!
    In general, "opponents" of the mat, hit your finger with a hammer and check the "purity of your Russian language" in practice! laughing
    1. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 10: 04
      -3
      Believe me, Mikhalych, I will not swear.
      1. MIKHALYCH1
        MIKHALYCH1 13 October 2015 10: 45
        +2
        Quote: Sober
        Believe me, Mikhalych, I will not swear.

        I believe! There are such individuals ... Why shout at the same time? If it `s not a secret..? lol(plus mine for your courage and loyalty to the purity of the Russian language)
        1. Sober
          Sober 13 October 2015 13: 12
          -1
          It happens in different ways: I’ll just cry out and say: mom or wow, or I’ll moan.
        2. Sober
          Sober 13 October 2015 13: 14
          0
          Thanks for the plus, and then they were completely overwhelmed.
          1. andj61
            andj61 13 October 2015 14: 32
            0
            Quote: Sober
            Thanks for the plus, and then they were completely overwhelmed.

            Here are a few more pluses for your firm beliefs! hi
        3. Sober
          Sober 13 October 2015 13: 20
          0
          Why shout at that?
          I'll just scream or say: oh, mom, or wow, or "silently" I'll moan.
  28. lukewarm
    lukewarm 13 October 2015 09: 25
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    "All-Russian Parent Meeting",
    What is this big top?

    IMHO this has nothing to do with "nulliparous mothers" ("soldiers' mothers" ™). This seems to be one of the manifestations of the Kurginian witness sect. Of the pluses, they are supposedly fighting a juvenile. And even Putin once came in 2011, it seems, to their first meeting. If I am mistaken, please correct it.
  29. Das Boot
    Das Boot 13 October 2015 09: 27
    +1
    for some reason I remembered:
  30. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 October 2015 09: 35
    +1
    In Russia, they began to fight with obscenities in the army.
    But in vain. Command and control will be completely lost.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 13 October 2015 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      But in vain. Command and control will be completely lost.

      Plus, orders and operational information should be issued quickly and capaciously, and not curtsies to breed. Yes, and before whom, to shine, this is a male group for the most part, no one to be shy .. Yes, and psychological impact, because it’s very useful for the enemies to hear what they think about their mothers ...
  31. DMB3000
    DMB3000 13 October 2015 09: 36
    0
    Quote: Svyatogor
    It is impossible to remove the mat from the Russian vocabulary. Mat, after all, is often not an insult, but a kind of short message.

    without a mat, it will turn into an institution of noble maidens. what follows is only a set of swear words
  32. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 13 October 2015 09: 37
    0
    Is it possible to .. smash the oak ..?
    It is possible if ..y oak, and oak ..yew ...
    Can a penis break an oak ..?
    It is possible if the sex. Member is in a state of erection, and the oak is rotten ...

    There is a difference?
  33. sinukvl
    sinukvl 13 October 2015 09: 51
    +4
    “In the classes on public and state training, during educational events with all categories of personnel, special attention is paid to the prevention of profanity” We will not defeat the Russian mat, this is a sacred appeal to the ancient Slavic gods, and they did not win the faith in them and 1000 years of Christianity, and here is some kind of allowance.
    1. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 13: 25
      -3
      I advise you to study the issue, and not to bother.
  34. Svetovod
    Svetovod 13 October 2015 09: 52
    +2
    ******* - foe
    ***! - oh!
    *** ** *******? - what is it?
    ***** ****? - really?
    ** ** ****** ***** ******** ********! - defend yourself sir!
    *** ** ***! - I do not agree!
  35. northern
    northern 13 October 2015 10: 00
    +3
    Russian mat in a smart head is a weapon. So we will apply, in a smart way. And when necessary, then politely.
  36. Svetovod
    Svetovod 13 October 2015 10: 09
    +2
    Quote: Svetovod
    ******* - foe
    ***! - oh!
    *** ** *******? - what is it?
    ***** ****? - really?
    ** ** ****** ***** ******** ********! - defend yourself sir!
    *** ** ***! - I do not agree!


    Agree that the mat from the mouth reduces the respect of the object. When some official, minister, and especially if it’s a woman, something blurs in the conversation, they look immediately stupider and are considered not very suitable.

    There is an unwritten rule in using the mat - it is freely used ONLY in a NARROW environment. Adults should not hear a child’s mat, children should not hear an adult mat. Men should not hear mate from women, women from men. The illiterate use of the skill mate robs the skill of respect from the speaker. Like this.

    bn instead of "change" "cited himself." Sorry.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 13 October 2015 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: Svetovod
      There is an unwritten rule in using the mat - it is freely used ONLY in a NARROW environment. Adults should not hear a child’s mat, children should not hear an adult mat. Men should not hear mate from women, women from men. The illiterate use of the skill mate robs the skill of respect from the speaker. Like this.


      separate plus .. good
      1. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 13: 27
        -3
        those. we respect women, children, but do not respect ourselves?
  37. Das Boot
    Das Boot 13 October 2015 10: 34
    0
    For some reason, the whole branch ran into a discussion of the aesthetics of the mat. The trend, in fact, is much broader and is not limited to the lexical predilections of the officers of the RF Armed Forces, but concerns the behavioral norms in the complex.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 13 October 2015 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: Das Boot
      For some reason, the whole branch ran into a discussion of the aesthetics of the mat. The trend, in fact, is much broader and is not limited to the lexical predilections of the officers of the RF Armed Forces, but concerns the behavioral norms in the complex.

      I would answer you in "purely Russian mighty" briefly and clearly, but alas, sir, my respect for this site does not allow me to break your spiritual strings, with my unseemly words, so not so aesthetically pleasing, and therefore I will modestly keep silent, I hope you, dear one, will not consider this for an insult and forget? (MIKHALYCH is always ready to answer for the words love ..)))))
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 13 October 2015 11: 16
        0
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        I would answer you in "purely Russian powerful" briefly and clearly

        Yes, I have no doubt. Masters masterly curse much more than elementary literate people.
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        so I modestly keep silent

        it is wise.
  38. Taoist
    Taoist 13 October 2015 10: 51
    +3
    Bad discussion ... The question of "etiquette" is not "how" but "when". A well-mannered person first of all knows what language in each specific case it is necessary to speak.
    And as they say, the two big differences are the use of profanity "for a bunch of words" or to give "greater clarity" in battle ...

    And knowledge of etiquette, in general, did not harm anyone ... And even the officers of the RIF (and even there it is "blue blood" by definition) knew when to switch from one to another ...
  39. AlexTires
    AlexTires 13 October 2015 10: 59
    +1
    In the Charter of the RF Armed Forces, everything has long been written about etiquette, about behavior in dismissal, about vodka, about snacks and about women (who read it, of course, will understand me). The army should remain an army, and when civilians climb into it with its own charter, it’s never good to end. Army and without this allowance have something to do. Let it be better to come up with the allowance of the POLITE CARPENTOR and the no less polite employee of the Housing and communal services.
    CYSES. This is what it turns out, that for 200 years Russia did not have an army because they swore obscenities ??
  40. Mantykora
    Mantykora 13 October 2015 11: 11
    +2
    To eradicate mat is nonsense. It happens that a mate is even needed, for example, in a combat situation, to run into a fighter to bring him to his senses, or in an extreme situation in battle to reduce the command being given. To "eradicate" the wrong word, to reduce its use to the necessary level, so that a soldier, an officer does not swear through the word - yes. And if you think logically, swearing is part of the Russian language - and fighting swearing is the same as fighting the language.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 13 October 2015 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: Mantykora
      To eradicate a mat is nonsense.

      eradicate any language forms - this is nonsense. The guardians of morality and purity fought with the Argo always and always lost.
      1. andj61
        andj61 13 October 2015 14: 48
        +1
        Quote: Das Boot
        eradicate any language forms - this is nonsense. The guardians of morality and purity fought with the Argo always and always lost.

        I will tell you a case from my experience.
        1978, entered the institute, we live in an apartment-type hostel: 7 people in three rooms, a whole international, including Kazakh and Azerbaijani. An Azerbaijani generally spoke Russian, as well as English, and English - in the framework of a poor secondary school - out-of-competition admission to universities, passed the exam in Baku, himself from a remote village, but smart.
        A month later, the Azerbaijani began to speak Russian obscene, and we ourselves practically all spoke only that language.
        In the end, we agreed - from Monday for 1 mat - 5 kopecks to the general cashier. They wake me up in the morning. I did not have time to ask why they woke me up, because to the second pair, as the woken person said, 25 kopecks. I just expressed my attitude to him - 40 more kopecks were added. In short, by the end of the day my pocket had lost a ruble, and the general cashier had replenished by more than six rubles. The next month after this first day, I added only a couple of rubles to the cashier, and then we generally - but only at home - stopped talking in Russian obscene.
        So there is a method and experience of dealing with obscenities! laughing
      2. Sober
        Sober 13 October 2015 18: 43
        0
        Sorry, do not root, but educate.
  41. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 13 October 2015 11: 19
    +1
    "Learn the Mat. Part", how much sense and action are put into this short phrase ..! This is a whole philosophical treatise ..)))) And try not to learn! laughing
  42. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 13 October 2015 12: 36
    +1
    Anyone who served at least a term knows:
    They don’t swear in the army, they talk in the army!
    1. Sober
      Sober 13 October 2015 13: 29
      -1
      Indeed, trouble!
  43. creep: b
    creep: b 13 October 2015 13: 06
    +1
    it is unnecessary. we must be ourselves as we are respected for it
  44. your1970
    your1970 13 October 2015 13: 54
    0
    They took my stuff to themselves am stop crying recourse
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 13 October 2015 16: 00
      +1
      Quote: your1970
      They took my stuff to themselves am stop crying recourse

      okay brother. Your material on the fences - heaps.
  45. Petrovich
    Petrovich 13 October 2015 20: 45
    0
    A Russian officer with intelligence from Hegel to Babel, shaved to the blue, a little drunk, only in this combination. The point is that the officer should be able to use a knife with a fork, in all their diversity, and send where it is necessary and to whom it is necessary and to formulate his thought. Everything should be in place. IMHO.
  46. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 13 October 2015 23: 10
    0
    They don’t swear at the Army. The concrete task is set. Mat where to go and what to do with the enemy ...