US Navy Redefines Zumwalt Concept

The command of the United States Naval Forces is considering the possibility of curbing the construction of the third destroyer of the class DDG-1000 due to the high cost and the undeveloped combat concept of the project, reports ВПК.name with a link to militaryaerospace.com.




"In navy they began to wonder why they needed a ship with the dimensions of a battleship or heavy cruiser, designed to deliver artillery attacks on coastal targets using a 155 mm gun with a firing range of 83 nautical miles (153 km) and a rate of fire of 10 rounds / min, ”the material says.

Earlier it was planned that the Navy will include 32 ships of this type, later the number dropped to 7, now the construction of the third one can be minimized. Since 2009, the cost of purchasing three destroyers has increased by 37% and has reached 12.3 billions of dollars.

«Возникает вопрос — зачем нужен такой дорогой корабль, когда задачи ударов по береговым объектам могут с успехом выполнять крылатые ракеты, высокоточные aviation боеприпасы и истребители-бомбардировщики? Что касается стелс-возможностей корабля, то сколько времени эсминец с размерами линкора прежних времен Virginia будет оставаться необнаруженным?», - отмечается в материале.

DDG-1000 can only be used as a laboratory for testing modern equipment and weapon systems, but not as a combat unit of the US Navy. These ships can be tested the latest energy systems and automated equipment. The crew of the destroyer of all 140 people, while the crew of a much smaller and displacement destroyer class Arleigh Burke - 323 man.
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  1. igorka357 13 October 2015 06: 00 New
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    Damn, well, why roll up ... let the loot thump into it, and all sorts of wunderwaffles are useless!
    1. Igor39 13 October 2015 06: 23 New
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      What will the comrades say loudly praising Zumvolt for the concept?
      Quote: atalef
      This is the ship of the future, from the point of view of both construction technologies and the concept itself, someone can do this - for a lot of money, someone can not create a taxon - for no money --- feel the difference

      Waiting for an answer laughing
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      2. Mera joota 13 October 2015 08: 03 New
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        Quote: Igor39
        Waiting for an answer

        The concept of an artillery ship for firing guided projectiles is certainly ridiculous. If the guns are replaced with a laser, then it will turn out well, the energy of Zumvolt will allow the use of a laser.
        1. Reducer 13 October 2015 08: 46 New
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          Quote: Mera Joota
          ... If the guns are replaced with a laser, then it will turn out well, the energy of Zumvolt will allow the use of a laser.

          Yeah and another annihilator don't forget laughing
        2. desant_doktor 13 October 2015 09: 09 New
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          Well the laser ... So what? On coastal objects fire only direct fire at targets in direct line of sight. And this is a maximum of kilometers 40-45. Is the ship that costs such a bunch of dough put so close to shore. How is an air defense ship? As practice has shown, guidance systems are pretty good to be jammed by modern electronic warfare equipment. And then. How many laser installations can they ship? A full salvo of the 949 project submarine, EMNP, 24 pieces. 24 supersonic, actively maneuvering missiles. Attention, the question is: how many of these laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction? Well, we will not tactfully discuss the issue of the practical readiness of such installations for combat use.
          1. ARES623 13 October 2015 09: 30 New
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            Quote: desant_doktor
            Question: how many of these laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction?

            The target or source is covered with an aerosol, and the number of lasers does not matter.
        3. Maxom75 13 October 2015 10: 09 New
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          A laser is certainly good, but it is better if he can go out into the airless space himself.))) With all the wealth of choice, there are no prospects for the fleet except for the EMF, and the EMF should be brought to mind for a long time to come. I’m afraid, by the time of the readiness of a more or less usable EMF, this is a “miracle” of US engineering thought that it will drown from old age.)))
        4. voyaka uh 13 October 2015 10: 14 New
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          for Mera Joota:
          "The concept of an artillery ship for firing guided missiles is certainly ridiculous." ///

          I can not agree with you. Guided missiles are a hit of modern technology.
          The first shell - the "escalibur" was too expensive. But now others are developing,
          cheaper. Benefits? - they are much cheaper than rockets. Electronics taught
          "survive" when passing through a hot trunk, and this is important.

          And the laser will replace the SAM and rapid-fire guns of the ship’s near-air defense.
          1. Reducer 13 October 2015 12: 52 New
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            In haifa raid, do fogs often happen?
            But in our latitudes you are tormented with these flashlights. wink
      3. avt
        avt 13 October 2015 08: 38 New
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        Quote: Igor39
        What will the comrades say loudly praising Zumvolt for the concept?

        Are you asking Oleg Kaptsov? Yes, you are a sadist, my friend! laughing There is no need to express condolences to Oleg. But the sect of adherents didn’t receive a command from the leader on the campaign, so he is trying to frantically find some way to justify the teachings of the great guru
        Quote: Mera Joota
        The concept of an artillery ship for firing guided projectiles is certainly ridiculous. If the guns are replaced with a laser, then it will turn out well, the energy of Zumvolt will allow the use of a laser.

        laughing This is .... like his .... valuantarism! Oleg meanwhile did not say anything about the guns, nor about the lasers!
      4. NEXUS 13 October 2015 09: 21 New
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        Quote: Igor39
        What will the comrades say loudly praising Zumvolt for the concept?

        Amerov’s wunderwafel is expensive and time-consuming to manufacture. It is unambiguous. But we should think about the fact that our destroyers Shkval and Leader are only in the form of mock-ups. We would rather start building new destroyers while the adversary gives us time by building such incomprehensible ships.
      5. Assistant 13 October 2015 09: 24 New
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        This is the ship of the future, in terms of both construction technologies and the concept itself.


        And what is wrong with this statement? Yes, indeed the technology of the future. We built an experimental model, made sure that the technologists are good, but, firstly, too expensive, and secondly, what for now are not needed.
        The series was rolled up on the third, the two irons built will be test platforms. You look, they’ll still develop a rail on them and a vertical penguin instead of one of the helicopters will be set up as a personal mini-AWAC.
        And by the time Berkov is replaced, there will be a set of proven technologies that are used to build an adequate ship.
        1. rotmistr60 13 October 2015 09: 59 New
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          so far nafig not needed.

          Then why it was necessary to build if not needed. Download your defense industry or a lot of green printed?
      6. Ejik_026 13 October 2015 09: 55 New
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        Xs, at the expense of the destroyer, but for strikes on areas in the coastal strip, cheaper than artillery - there is nothing. Current rate rockets against terrorists and for striking deep into the coast. The Missouri thread will do the rest.
        IMHO of course, since it is not a sailor.
      7. Mhpv 13 October 2015 10: 01 New
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        It’s sinful to laugh at ....... Americans. They have a mission ahead of them to save the whole planet, but for now you need to train in Hollywood, drifting on old battleships in the ocean. Imagine how soon Zumvolt or the next will portray Cobra or a bell, then you don’t laughs it will be. wassat

        It is necessary to impose AC / DC on the launch of missiles of our ships from the Caspian Sea, which will look much cooler, because "Small zoltnik, yes ROAD"
      8. Vladimir 1964 13 October 2015 14: 39 New
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        Quote: Igor39
        What will the comrades say loudly praising Zumvolt for the concept?


        Dear colleague Yuri, I do not belong to the comrades who praised Zumvolt, but nevertheless I think that the developments used in its production for nothing will still be lost, the engineers have gained good experience in the practical operation of such a design, which means that following them, using their experience will avoid such options. I'd like to believe that it will be Russian engineers and designers.

        I hope so. hi
    2. little girl15 13 October 2015 06: 48 New
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      Hollywood in order to make films about the "bad Russians" in which, as always, the Yankees will win, and two ships will be enough.
    3. K-50 13 October 2015 07: 10 New
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      Quote: igorka357
      Damn, well, that's why you turn off.

      Do not understand? belay
      The main thing is to cut the money (to master), and what a return on this, I don’t care.
      The mattress industry does not work for the production of anything, but for the money of the defense budget to be pulled apart. laughing
      The main thing is to show the child prodigy, ask for money, then add money, at the end "well, I could not, I could not!" laughing
      Responsibility is not provided for squandering funds, and they do what they want. It would be if they (and ours, to be honest) would be asked specifically what, where and how much they spent and what is the final result, then there would be a return.
      1. Tanker55 13 October 2015 08: 44 New
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        fellow In connection with the test in the Caliber combat missile, in principle, the entire Amerov fleet could be minimized. There are NO competitors !!! drinks
        1. Tanker55 13 October 2015 11: 01 New
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          Do not understand the minus? angry
          1. IAlex 13 October 2015 15: 43 New
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            Tse urapatrioty, they do not like everything that is too patriotic and everything that is not entirely patriotic, i.e. they as Ukrainians do not understand what they themselves want ...
    4. marlin1203 13 October 2015 10: 36 New
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      Bliiiin! Really, the Americans turned on the brain? belay they decided to stop in the construction of ships worth 12 billion bucks "due to the lack of development of the combat concept of the project", i.e. it’s just that you don’t need it. And two have already been built. Rjunimagu laughing
  2. Nikolay K 13 October 2015 06: 01 New
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    US bonds are selling worse. We have to save on zumvoltami. . .
    1. Scandinavian 13 October 2015 06: 15 New
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      Caspian salvo sentenced ZUMVALTA)))))
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      2. Mera joota 13 October 2015 08: 03 New
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        Quote: Scandinavian
        Caspian salvo sentenced ZUMVALTA)))))

        Nonsense to write now in favor?
        1. Scandinavian 13 October 2015 09: 07 New
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          Scha to demise the people to the lieutenant. No need to go against the people.
        2. Eugene-Eugene 13 October 2015 09: 39 New
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          He jokes - see quotes
  3. Kubatai 13 October 2015 06: 05 New
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    for delivering artillery attacks on coastal targets using a 155 mm gun with a firing range of 83 nautical miles (153 km)
    - Have I missed something and already have such art systems or is this another advertising chip (they’ll do it, like later)?
    1. adept666 13 October 2015 06: 38 New
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      - Have I missed something and already have such art systems or is this another advertising chip (they’ll do it, like later)?


      LRLAPs have a range of up to 135 km, but it’s not exactly an artillery shell smile This device is equipped with an 11-pound solid-fuel accelerator and is essentially a guided missile fired from an art system.
  4. ziqzaq 13 October 2015 06: 06 New
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    Eka as a Caspian hummingbird withered, the mattresses even began to move the brain - a little, a little ....
  5. Wolka 13 October 2015 06: 06 New
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    all one these yankees irons won't help ...
  6. aszzz888 13 October 2015 06: 08 New
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    Well, in such a barn Caliber won't miss. laughing
  7. PlotnikoffDD 13 October 2015 06: 14 New
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    And cut the built ships into needles. RF can provide effective managers for this)
    1. Kubatai 13 October 2015 06: 17 New
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      They and their "effective" managers in bulk ... Corruption is cooler than ours .. Just a rumor goes that you can put something on the needles and get a bonus and immediately the needles on the world markets will become cheaper ..)
    2. Amurets 13 October 2015 06: 26 New
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      The Americans have their own showmen. Specially, for the sake of the show, they cut the PL 941 of the TK-217 project. So, they will manage without our thieves.
  8. ssn18 13 October 2015 06: 17 New
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    It’s unfortunate that they fold. This is how much dough could be cut. And the prodigy is even a little scary, the most frightening thing is the penguins. laughing
  9. k174oun7 13 October 2015 06: 25 New
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    Reminds F-117, only in the marine version. Big, expensive and worthless. However, for Hollywood, as another American superweapon, it will be pulled. A film will soon be shot as these irons “liberated” the Crimea.
    1. EvilLion 13 October 2015 08: 59 New
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      F-117, unlike really, flew a lot and performed tasks in its niche.
  10. Doctor Savage 13 October 2015 06: 26 New
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    Anyway, it's time to curl up bloodsuckers!
  11. D-Master 13 October 2015 06: 41 New
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    It is a pity, the noble target was also a credit cemetery for money. Then you see what they’ll come up with. It is unfortunate, gentlemen, pendoamericans can change your mind?
  12. slizhov 13 October 2015 07: 02 New
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    Amerikosy overslept everything that is possible, but try to revise everything ...
  13. BLOND 13 October 2015 07: 22 New
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    "... yes fuses they have the wrong system"
    (not that "Caliber")))
  14. bmv04636 13 October 2015 07: 28 New
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    For such ships, a lot of energy is needed and only a rhythm-200 type nuclear reactor can give it. Ours are not sleeping.
    Schwab seems to have already tested a laser on an icebreaker
  15. mosquit 13 October 2015 07: 59 New
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    Sorry, good prodigy sad laughing
  16. Rurikovich 13 October 2015 08: 27 New
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    But if he had been booked according to Kaptsov, then there would have been a super ship for the war against the coast !! lol In fact, in my opinion, it’s just that Americans are so hard on cutting the budget that, accordingly, the price has increased significantly laughing That's why turnips are now choking out due to such an imbalance. At least the availability of six-inch weapons is very justified. After all, there are always relatively maneuverable goals for which it will not be possible to spend a rocket due to their mobility, and the actions of aviation can be difficult due to good air defense (quite real). But the artillery attack hot tip intelligence is quite feasible. So the concept here is justified. And the matter is most likely the high cost of the ship itself. An analogy with the F-35, which is already becoming quite expensive with mediocre characteristics and many shortcomings (catapults, for example repeat )
    hi
  17. Engineer 13 October 2015 08: 47 New
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    Well, as it were, he didn’t have the size of the battleship - long yes, but the displacement was only 14,5 tons, which was half the size of the mentioned short-linker. Judge for yourself, the size is not very large known destroyer. And something tells me that his visibility will be exactly less than Burke. Well, and about weapons, he carries 80 tomahawks. Only for some reason, the author is silent about this, and only mentions two guns, forbidding him to shoot at targets with racquets. In general, the boat is interesting, especially the power plant with a full electric motor. With German diesels and Ukrainian gas turbines, we only have to dream of such a thing for now.
    1. Vadim237 13 October 2015 09: 39 New
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      Our destroyer will be built only in 10 years, and that may be.
    2. retardu 13 October 2015 12: 12 New
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      Apart from weapons, radar and excellent automation and crew reduction in 2 times.
      The main thing is to count the money of others, on the contrary rejoice if you saw. They have this opportunity.
      It’s not their own that the military budget is reduced by 200 billion rubles
  18. Arktidianets 13 October 2015 08: 59 New
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    I am interested in the opinion of Oleg Kaptsov on this news, I think that a detailed answer is just around the corner ....
  19. ARES623 13 October 2015 09: 41 New
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    These Stealth technologies are an interesting, but dubious thing. What is not visible in meter waves is clearly visible in decimeter waves. Variations with the F117 filled their nostrils, while drones with 30-meter long hover wings and DM radars are being worked out in both Russia and China. One hundred today is perceived as a panacea (Stealth), tomorrow it may turn into a complete failure. The most practical thing is to break through the baldness of Congress with the Russian threat, and cut the budget under this brand. There was money - and they were gone, that’s the very Stealth. And for artillery on the waves - "Missouri" to scrape off the solidol and no additional costs :-))))
  20. desant_doktor 13 October 2015 09: 51 New
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    Quote: ARES623
    Quote: desant_doktor
    Question: how many of these laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction?

    The target or source is covered with an aerosol, and the number of lasers does not matter.

    Well, you can.
  21. Taoist 13 October 2015 10: 55 New
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    "On the third day, the Vigilant Falcon noticed that there was no wall in the barn" (c) bully
  22. Earnest 13 October 2015 12: 45 New
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    Quote: desant_doktor
    Well the laser ... So what? On coastal objects fire only direct fire at targets in direct line of sight. And this is a maximum of kilometers 40-45. Is the ship that costs such a bunch of dough put so close to shore. How is an air defense ship? As practice has shown, guidance systems are pretty good to be jammed by modern electronic warfare equipment. And then. How many laser installations can they ship? A full salvo of the 949 project submarine, EMNP, 24 pieces. 24 supersonic, actively maneuvering missiles. Attention, the question is: how many of these laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction? Well, we will not tactfully discuss the issue of the practical readiness of such installations for combat use.

    I apologize, but the distance of direct visibility to the sea of ​​a target with a height of 5 m, if the observer is located on a site with a height of 15 m, is from 14 km (sees the base of the target on the surface) to 23 km (top of the target). Maybe easier in the old fashioned way, artillery, especially in the rain repeat ?
  23. IAlex 13 October 2015 13: 07 New
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    Can a cannon really shoot at a target of 153 km with conventional ballistic shells?

    Nefiga itself as the Russian Federation for 25 years lagged behind in artillery, although Russia has always been strong precisely developed artillery ...
  24. Lt. Air Force stock 13 October 2015 14: 50 New
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    Zumvolt was originally developed as a replacement for Arly Berks (only later, due to the high cost, they began to come up with hypothetical areas of application for the ship), but the fact that there is less ammunition is more a regression than progress in the development of the fleet (96 UVP on Arly Berke and 80 on Zumvolt).
  25. Old26 13 October 2015 20: 06 New
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    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    Dear colleague Yuri, I do not belong to the comrades who praised Zumvolt, but nevertheless I think that the developments used in its production for nothing will still be lost, the engineers have gained good experience in the practical operation of such a design, which means that following them, using their experience will avoid such options. I'd like to believe that it will be Russian engineers and designers.

    My comrade-in-law worked at the Institute. Krylova. So, according to him, such “irons” were tested by us in the pool, but they did not find anything that would give a definite plus to the classic destroyer. And as a testing platform for promising developments - it will. Though an expensive toy ...
  26. alex-defensor 13 October 2015 22: 09 New
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    As far as I remember, it was considered the possibility of installing a railgun (it seems to riveted under it). The advantages of railguns are obvious:

    1. Hypersonic speed (The project for Zamvolt was supposed to develop a muzzle velocity of up to 9000 km / h)
    2. Long range (For Zamvolt phased, they planned to eventually install a cannon firing at 400 km)
    3. Low probability of detecting a projectile and low possibility of interception by most standard means (Modern active protection systems operate at speeds of 6000 km / h and only such massive systems as S-400, or S-300 with ZUR-48N6E are able to withstand such a threat, but what the price of such missiles and what is the likelihood of shrapnel destruction - a hypers projectile ?!)
    4. The monstrous kinetic potential of a hypersonic projectile, allowing NOT to use the warhead at all.
    5. Potentially (in the future) a VERY low cost of a shot, which only laser or beam weapons can compete with (in contrast to the high cost of missile weapons).
    6. A larger supply of shells (in view of their smaller dimensions, though a power plant will occupy a lot of space, but the benefit in the volume used will be obvious, moreover, the power plant can be replaced by the use of explosive magnetic generators)