US Navy Redefines Zumwalt Concept

The command of the US Navy is considering curtailing the construction of the third destroyer of the DDG-1000 class due to the high cost and undeveloped combat concept of the project, reports ВПК.name with the link militaryaerospace.com.

"In navy began to wonder why we need a ship with the size of a battleship or a heavy cruiser, designed to deliver artillery strikes against coastal targets with a 155 mm gun with a range of 83 nautical miles (153 km) and a rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute.

It was previously planned that the Navy would include 32 ships of this type, later the number dropped to 7, and now the construction of a third can be curtailed. Since 2009, the cost of purchasing three destroyers has grown by 37% to $12.3 billion.

“The question arises why such an expensive ship is needed, when the tasks of strikes against coastal targets can be successfully carried out by cruise missiles, high-precision aviation ammunition and fighter-bombers? As for the stealth capabilities of the ship, how long will a destroyer with the size of the battleship of the old days Virginia remain undetected?

DDG-1000 can only be used as a laboratory for testing modern equipment and armory systems, but not as a combat unit of the US Navy. The latest power systems and automated equipment can be tested on these ships. The crew of the destroyer is only 140 people, while the crew of the much smaller Arleigh Burke-class destroyer is 323 people.

Comments

[igorka357]

Damn, well, why turn off ... let the loot thump into it, and all sorts of wunderwaffles are useless!

[Igor39]

What will the comrades who loudly praise Zumvolt for the concept say?
Quote: atalef
This is the ship of the future, in terms of both construction technologies and the concept itself, someone can do something like this - for a lot of money, someone cannot create a tacon - for no money --- feel the difference

Waiting for an answer

[Mera joota]

Quote: Igor39

Waiting for an answer

The concept of an artillery ship for firing guided missiles is, of course, ridiculous. If the guns are replaced with a laser, then it will turn out well, the Zumvolt energy will allow the use of a laser.

[Reducer]

Quote: Mera Joota

... If the guns are replaced with a laser, then it will turn out well, Zumvolt's energy will allow the use of a laser.

Yeah, and don't forget the annihilator

[desant_doktor]

Well, the laser ... So what? On coastal objects, fire only direct fire at targets in direct line of sight. And this is a maximum of 40-45 kilometers. Is it possible that a ship that costs such a bunch of dough will be allowed to go so close to the shore. How is the air defense ship? As practice has shown, guidance systems are not bad to be jammed with modern electronic warfare equipment. And than. How many lasers can they put on a ship? A full salvo of a submarine of project 949a, EMNP, 24 pieces. 24 supersonic, actively maneuvering missiles. Attention, the question is: how many of these same laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction? Well, we will not tactfully discuss the issue of the practical readiness of such installations for combat use.

[ARES623]

Quote: desant_doktor

question: how many of these same laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction?

The target or source is covered with an aerosol, and the number of lasers does not matter.

[Maxom75]

A laser is certainly good, but it’s better if it can go out into an airless space on its own.))) With all the richness of choice, apart from EMF, there are no prospects for the fleet, and EMF will take a long time to bring to mind. I'm afraid by the time the more or less serviceable EMF is ready - this "miracle" of US engineering will drown from old age.)))

[voyaka uh]

for Mera Joota:
"The concept of an artillery ship for firing guided missiles is, of course, ridiculous." ///

I cannot agree with you. Guided projectiles are the "hit" of modern developments.
The first projectile - "Excalibur" turned out to be too expensive. But now others are developing
cheaper. Advantages? - they are much cheaper than missiles. Electronics taught
"survive" when passing through a hot barrel, and this is the main thing.

And the laser will replace the missile defense system and the rapid-firing guns of the ship's short-range air defense.

[Reducer]

Do fogs often occur in the roadstead of Haifa?
But in our latitudes, you are tormented with these flashlights.

[avt]

Quote: Igor39

What will the comrades who loudly praise Zumvolt for the concept say?

Are you asking Oleg Kaptsov? Yes, you are a sadist, my friend! There is nothing to express condolences to Oleg. But the campaign of the sect of adepts did not receive a command from the leader, so he frantically tries to find some kind of justification for the teachings of the great guru-

Quote: Mera Joota

The concept of an artillery ship for firing guided missiles is, of course, ridiculous. If the guns are replaced with a laser, then it will turn out well, the Zumvolt energy will allow the use of a laser.

This is .... how is it .... valuntarism! For the time being, Oleg did not say anything about guns or lasers!

[NEXUS]

Quote: Igor39

What will the comrades who loudly praise Zumvolt for the concept say?

The Amer wunderwaffle is expensive and labor-intensive to produce. This is unequivocal. But we should think that our destroyers Shkval and Leader are still only in the form of mock-ups. We would rather start building new destroyers while the adversary gives us time, building such incomprehensible ships.

[Assistant]

This is the ship of the future, in terms of both construction technology and the concept itself.

What's wrong with this statement? Yes, indeed the technology of the future. They built an experimental model, made sure that the technologists were good, but, firstly, they were too expensive, and secondly, so far they were not needed.
The series was turned off on the third, two built irons will be test platforms. You look, they will still develop a rail on them and put a vertical penguin instead of one of the helicopters as a personal mini-DRLO.
And by the time the Berks are replaced, there will be a set of already proven technologies that are used to build an adequate ship.

[rotmistr60]

so far, nafig is not needed.

Then why was it necessary to build if not needed. Upload your military-industrial complex or printed a lot of green ones?

[Ejik_026]

Xs, at the expense of the destroyer, but for strikes on areas in the coastal strip, cheaper than artillery - there is nothing. Rockets of current norms against terrorists and for strikes into the depths of the coast. Some thread "Missouri" will cope with everything else.
IMHO of course, since not a sailor.

[Mhpv]

It’s a sin to laugh at ....... Americans. After all, they have a mission to save the entire planet ahead, but for now you have to train in Hollywood, drifting on old battleships in the ocean. Can you imagine how soon Zumvolt or the next one will depict a Cobra or a bell, then you won’t it will be laughable.

It is necessary to impose AC / DC on the launch of missiles of our ships from the Caspian Sea, which will look much cooler, because "The spool is small, but EXPENSIVE"

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Igor39

What will the comrades who loudly praise Zumvolt for the concept say?

Dear colleague Yuri, I am not one of the comrades who praised Zumvolt, but nevertheless I think that the developments used in its production will still not be wasted, the engineers have gained good experience in the practical operation of such a design, which means those following them, using their experience, will avoid such options. I really want to believe that it will be Russian engineers and designers.

Somehow I hope.

[little girl15]

Hollywood in order to make films about "bad Russians" in which, as always, the Yankees will win, two ships are enough.

[K-50]

Quote: igorka357

Damn, well, why turn around.

Do not understand?
The main thing is to cut (master) the money, and what a return from this, I don’t care.
The mattress industry does not work for the production of anything, but to take the money from the defense budget into pockets.
The main thing is to show the child prodigy, ask for money, then more money, at the end, "Well, I couldn't, I couldn't!"
Responsibility is not provided for the squandering of funds, so they do what they want. This is if they (and even ours, to be honest) were asked specifically what, where and how much they spent and what the end result would be, then there would be a return.

[Tanker55]

In connection with the testing of the Kalibr combat missiles, in principle, the entire Amerovsky fleet could be curtailed. There are NO competitors!!!

[Tanker55]

Don't understand the downside?

[IAlex]

Tse urapatriots, they do not like everything too patriotic and everything not quite patriotic, i.e. they, like crests, you won’t understand what they themselves want ...

[marlin1203]

Bliiiin! Have the Americans turned on their brains? decided to stop building ships worth 12 billion dollars "due to the lack of development of the combat concept of the project", i.e. simply because he doesn’t need it. And two have already been built. Rzhunimagu

[Nikolay K]

American bonds are "sold" worse and worse. You have to save on zumvolts. . .

[Scandinavian]

Caspian salvo sentenced ZUMWALTA)))))

[Mera joota]

Quote: Scandinavian

The Caspian volley sentenced ZUMWALT)))))

Nonsense to write now in favor?

[Scandinavian]

The people will demote you to lieutenant. You don't have to go against the people.

[Eugene-Eugene]

He's joking - see the quotes

[Kubatai]

for delivering artillery strikes against coastal targets using a 155 mm gun with a range of 83 nautical miles (153 km)

- Did I miss something and there are already such art systems or is it another advertising feature (they will do it, like later)?

[adept666]

- Did I miss something and there are already such art systems or is it another advertising feature (they will do it, like later)?

LRLAPs have a range of up to 135 km, but this is not really an artillery shell. This device is equipped with an 11-kilogram solid-fuel booster and is essentially a guided missile fired from an art system.

[ziqzaq]

Eka gasped like a Caspian hummingbird, mattress covers even began to move their brains - a little, a little ....

[Wolka]

all the same, these Yankee irons will not help ...

[aszzz888]

Well, in such and such a shed, Caliber will not miss.

[PlotnikoffDD]

And built ships cut into needles. RF can provide effective managers for this)

[Kubatai]

They and their "efficient" managers are in bulk ... Their corruption is steeper than ours .. Only a rumor will go that you can put something on needles and get a bonus and immediately the needles on the world markets will become cheaper ..)

[Amurets]

The Americans have their own showmen. Specially, for the sake of the show, the submarine 941 of the TK-217 project was cut. So they will do without our thieves.

[ssn18]

It is unfortunate that they are turning. At how much money could be cut. And the child prodigy is even a little scary, the very thing is to scare the penguins.

[k174oun7]

Reminiscent of the F-117, only in the marine version. Big, expensive and useless. However, for Hollywood, as another American superweapon, it will pull. Soon they will make a film about how these irons "liberated" Crimea.

[EvilLion]

The F-117, unlike the F-XNUMX, really flew a lot and performed tasks in its niche.

[Doctor Savage]

And in general, it's time to coagulate bloodsuckers!

[D-Master]

It's a pity, a noble target was a credit for the money cemetery. Here you see what they will come up with. It's a pity, gentlemen pendoamericans can change your mind?

[slizhov]

The Americans have slept through everything that is possible, but they are trying to revise everything ...

[BLOND]

"... yes, they have the fuses of the wrong system"
(not the "Caliber")))

[bmv04636]

For such ships, a lot of energy is needed and only a nuclear reactor of the Rhythm-200 type can provide it. Ours don't sleep.
Shvabe seems to have already tested a laser on an icebreaker

[mosquito]

Too bad, good prodigy

[Rurikovich]

But if it had been booked according to Kaptsov, then there would have been a supership for the war against the coast !! In fact, in my opinion, it’s just that the Americans are so hard trying to cut the budget that, accordingly, the price has increased significantly That's why they are now spitting turnips because of such an imbalance. At least the presence of six-inch weapons is highly justified. After all, there are always relatively maneuverable targets for which it will not be possible to spend a rocket due to their mobility, and aviation operations can be difficult due to good air defense (quite realistic). But an artillery raid on hot reconnaissance is quite feasible. So the concept here is justified. And the point is most likely the high cost of the ship itself. An analogy with the F-35, which is already becoming too expensive with mediocre performance and many flaws (catapults, for example )

[Engineer]

Well, as if he didn’t have the dimensions of a battleship - yes, it’s long, but the displacement is only 14,5 tons, which is half the size of the mentioned under-linker. Judge for yourself, the size is not much larger than the well-known destroyer. And something tells me that his visibility will definitely be less than Burke. Well, about weapons, he seems to be carrying 80 tomahawks. Only for some reason the author is silent about this, and mentions only two guns, forbidding him to shoot at targets with rackets. In general, the boat is interesting, especially the power plant with a full electric propulsion. We, with German diesel engines and Ukrainian gas turbines, can only dream of such a thing.

[Vadim237]

Our destroyer will be built only in 10 years, and that may be.

[retardu]

+
Apart from weapons, radar and excellent automation and reduction of the crew by 2 times.
The main thing is to count other people's money, on the contrary, rejoice if they saw. They have this opportunity.
It’s not they who are cutting the military budget by 200 billion rubles

[Arktidianets]

I am interested in the opinion of Oleg Kaptsov on this news, I think that a detailed answer is not far off ....

[ARES623]

These stealth technologies are an interesting but dubious thing. What is not visible in meter waves is clearly visible in decimeter waves. Variations with the F117 have set the teeth on edge, but drones with 30-meter long hover wings and DM radars are being worked out in Russia and China. A hundred today is perceived as a panacea (stealth), tomorrow it can turn into a complete failure. The most practical thing is to break the bald head of the Congress with the Russian threat, and cut the budget under this brand. There was money - and they were gone, that's the very "Stealth". And for artillery on the waves - "Missouri" scrape off grease and no additional costs :-))))

[desant_doktor]

Quote: ARES623

Quote: desant_doktor

question: how many of these same laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction?

The target or source is covered with an aerosol, and the number of lasers does not matter.

Well, maybe so.

[Taoist]

"On the third day, the Vigilant Falcon noticed that there was no wall in the barn" (c)

[Earnest]

Quote: desant_doktor

Well, the laser ... So what? On coastal objects, fire only direct fire at targets in direct line of sight. And this is a maximum of 40-45 kilometers. Is it possible that a ship that costs such a bunch of dough will be allowed to go so close to the shore. How is the air defense ship? As practice has shown, guidance systems are not bad to be jammed with modern electronic warfare equipment. And than. How many lasers can they put on a ship? A full salvo of a submarine of project 949a, EMNP, 24 pieces. 24 supersonic, actively maneuvering missiles. Attention, the question is: how many of these same laser systems are needed to guarantee their destruction? Well, we will not tactfully discuss the issue of the practical readiness of such installations for combat use.

I'm sorry, but the line-of-sight distance at sea of ​​a 5 m high target, if the observer is located on a site 15 m high, is from 14 km (sees the base of the target on the surface) to 23 km (the top of the target). Maybe it's easier the old fashioned way, with artillery, especially in the rain ?

[IAlex]

Can a cannon really fire conventional ballistic projectiles at a target 153 km away?

It’s not worth it to yourself as the Russian Federation for 25 years lagged behind in artillery, although Russia has always been strong precisely with developed artillery ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

The Zumvolt was originally developed as a replacement for the Arly Berks (later, due to the high cost, they began to come up with hypothetical areas of application for the ship), but the fact that there is less ammunition is more of a regression, rather than progress in the development of the fleet (96 UVP on the Arly Burke and 80 on the Zumvolt).

[Old26]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

Dear colleague Yuri, I am not one of the comrades who praised Zumvolt, but nevertheless I think that the developments used in its production will still not be wasted, the engineers have gained good experience in the practical operation of such a design, which means those following them, using their experience, will avoid such options. I really want to believe that it will be Russian engineers and designers.

My friend's father-in-law worked at the Institute. Krylov. So, according to him, our "irons" were tested in the pool, but they did not find anything that would give a definite plus over the classic destroyer. And as a test platform for promising developments, it will do. Even though it's an expensive toy...

[alex-defensor]

As far as I remember, the possibility of installing a railgun was considered on it (it seemed to be riveted under it). The advantages of railguns are obvious:

1. Hypersonic speed (The project for Zamvolt was supposed to develop a muzzle velocity of up to 9000 km / h)
2. Long range (For Zamvolt in stages, they planned to eventually install a cannon firing at 400 km)
3. The low probability of detecting a projectile and the low possibility of intercepting it by most standard means (Modern active protection systems operate up to speeds of 6000 km / h and only such massive systems as the S-400, or S-300 with ZUR-48N6E are able to withstand such a threat, but what the price of such anti-missiles and what is the probability of destruction by shrapnel - a hyperprojectile ?!)
4. The monstrous kinetic potential of a hypersonic projectile, allowing NOT to use the warhead at all.
5. Potentially (in the future) VERY low cost of a shot, which only laser or beam weapons can compete with (against the high cost of rocket weapons).
6. A larger supply of shells (in view of their smaller dimensions, though a power plant will take up a lot of space, but still the benefit in the volume used will be obvious, besides, the power plant can be replaced by the use of explosive magnetic generators)