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Netherlands Ambassador to Moscow says "the end of efforts to create an international tribunal for the perpetrators of the crash of MH-17"

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The Ambassador of the Netherlands in Russia, Ron van Dartel, said that the actions to create an international tribunal on the fact of the crash of a Malaysian airliner in the Donbass have been stopped. According to the Dutch diplomat, this step had to be made in connection with the clear position of the Russian Federation in the UN Security Council. Recall that Russia vetoed a resolution to establish such a tribunal, since the investigative commission did not publish the final results of the investigation, and some countries have already rushed to appoint the perpetrators.


Netherlands Ambassador to Moscow says "the end of efforts to create an international tribunal for the perpetrators of the crash of MH-17"


RIA News cites a statement by the Ambassador of the Netherlands to the Russian Federation:
Russia very clearly stated its position with the help of a veto. This is the end of the efforts to establish the tribunal, and now we are looking for alternatives to it.

One of the "alternatives" is the so-called "tribunal of grieving countries." The creation of such an institution of dubious legitimacy was announced by the Australian authorities, identifying not only Australia itself, but also Ukraine, Malaysia, Belgium, and the Netherlands as mourners. It is this composition of the "mourners" that official Canberra explained by the fact that specialists from these states are included in the composition of the investigative commission.

Recall that tomorrow (October 13), this very commission is going to present the results of the investigation into the MH-17 crash. Malaysian experts have stated in advance that they are dissatisfied with the investigation, because it ignores the questions asked by the Russian side and the data published by Russian weapons experts.
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  1. Irokez
    Irokez 12 October 2015 12: 47 New
    +6
    The same thing. And then the tribunal.
    They would have made it for themselves, but immediately realized. The tail is tightened.
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 12 October 2015 12: 52 New
      +6
      The mustache ... Bobik died ... !!!
      1. iConst
        iConst 12 October 2015 12: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: sever.56
        The mustache ... Bobik died ... !!!
        - Tryndets! Mourning countries! And do not forget to include Zimbabwe.

        Yes, insanity grew stronger, and the mind ...
        1. gunter_laux
          gunter_laux 12 October 2015 13: 47 New
          +1
          Ну какой тут разум, откуда ему взяться в пустых "бошках", залитых под крышку бухаловом...
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar 12 October 2015 15: 18 New
          +1
          Kotu do nehren, he licks eggs ...........
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 12 October 2015 19: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: iConst
          Tryndets! Mourning countries!


          Grieving countries, what kind of club is this? It reminds me personally:
          (for the administrator - just peaches)
    2. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 12 October 2015 12: 53 New
      +3
      Declare the guilty with evidence first! A tribunal will be mandatory (as if you would not turn from an accusing party into an accused, for concealing facts, etc.)
    3. Alexey Boukin
      Alexey Boukin 12 October 2015 12: 54 New
      +5
      Ну а Украине-то что изображать из себя "скорбящую страну"? Скорбить ей надо совсем по другому поводу. По тому, что допустила свой развал пришедшими к власти фашиствующими элементами. От этого скорбно не только ей, но и нам.
      Mournfully for a nation that destroys its own power.
      Ну, а вешать вину на невиновного- это в правилах США, изображающего из себя "всевидящее око" и взявших на себя право "вершителя судеб" на Земле.
      1. SteelRatTV
        SteelRatTV 12 October 2015 12: 59 New
        +2
        "Трибунал скорбящих..." Сразу вспомнилось: "...животом скорбная"(А.Толстой) А эти, не иначе, как на всю голову СКОРБНЫЕ. wassat laughing
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 12 October 2015 13: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexey Bukin
        Ну а Украине-то что изображать из себя "скорбящую страну"? Скорбить ей надо совсем по другому поводу. По тому, что допустила свой развал пришедшими к власти фашиствующими элементами. От этого скорбно не только ей, но и нам.
        Mournfully for a nation that destroys its own power.

        The most interesting thing is that Australia most of all has to do with a Malaysian plane shot down in Ukraine. Some suspicious compassion ... In my opinion, it is financed from the same wallet as the cookies on the Maidan.

        The next step is the unveiling of the Bandera Monument in Australia. laughing And the kangaroo in Kuev ... laughing
        1. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 12 October 2015 13: 13 New
          +3
          And when will the tribunal of states affected by the Naglosaksonsky colonialism? hi
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 12 October 2015 13: 22 New
            +9
            Quote: kot28.ru
            And when will the tribunal of states affected by the Naglosaksonsky colonialism? hi

            forgot to include the USSR in this list in 1991.
            1. Igor39
              Igor39 12 October 2015 13: 35 New
              +3
              I’m waiting tomorrow, the report will be ....
        2. alvog
          alvog 12 October 2015 14: 16 New
          +1
          Ukraine allowed the passage of a civilian plane over the territory where military operations are being carried out (it was a pity to lose money), which became the main cause of the tragedy, here is the culprit of what happened. And how much more time will it take to understand this, or will this performance last as long as the Nesky will ask?
          1. Shuttle
            Shuttle 13 October 2015 10: 16 New
            0
            Quote: alvog
            Ukraine allowed the passage of a civilian plane over the territory ...

            Oh, do not tell!
            "Украина разрешила..."
            Not Ukraine, but Benya Kolomoisky. And he didn’t allow, but ordered. And not a span, but a slaughter.
            This once again emphasizes that the very country as a unitary state has long been gone. There are a handful of professional dribblers who are even ready to put in their pants, if only to grab something else and take it out, and take it out of the nenka.

            ------------------------------------------------
            Provide 10%, and the capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime that it would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows. If noise and abuse bring profit, capital will contribute to both. Evidence: smuggling and trafficking in slaves.
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            © Thomas Joseph Dunning (1799-1873)
        3. unsinkable
          unsinkable 12 October 2015 14: 21 New
          0
          hi In general, everything is true, but about the monuments is cool.
        4. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 12 October 2015 20: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          The most interesting thing is that Australia most of all has to do with a Malaysian plane shot down in Ukraine. Some suspicious compassion ... In my opinion, it is financed from the same wallet as the cookies on the Maidan.


          Alexei, Australia is legally a protectorate of Great Britain, the owner said to bark, here they are barking. laughing hi
    4. unsinkable
      unsinkable 12 October 2015 14: 19 New
      0
      I’m not sure that they caught on. But * * tightened the tail * I agree 100%.
    5. Juborg
      Juborg 12 October 2015 15: 41 New
      0
      Sami shot down themselves mourn?
    6. vodolaz
      vodolaz 12 October 2015 18: 30 New
      0
      So it is necessary to create a tribunal for the downed Iranian A300 in 1988, what is the little thing?
  2. Air Force captain
    Air Force captain 12 October 2015 12: 49 New
    +2
    I'm afraid the investigation of the crash of the Boeing will be overly ANGAGED !!
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 12 October 2015 13: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Air Force Captain
      I'm afraid the investigation of the crash of the Boeing will be overly ANGAGED !!

      And why should the investigation be afraid so biased against Russia in favor of Ukraine. But there are still too many accidents and coincidences that led to disaster, and it’s better to quietly cover up this investigation, which they are trying to do and want to take the investigation aside.
      "Знает Моська, чьё мясо съело".
    2. iConst
      iConst 12 October 2015 13: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Air Force Captain
      I'm afraid the investigation of the crash of the Boeing will be overly ANGAGED !!
      - I get the impression that all this investigation and the materials are collected so that they can be turned in any direction.
      And the pendocs are waiting - they will be able to set Russia up - they will dump Mr. Beggar, take root in f .. dill - they will dump everything on them.

      But time goes on and they are standing in a row - Russia has not framed.

      Доб.: И не исключено, что будет заключение "Это был Бук, но откуда он приехал - фифти-фифти (т.е. ф/з).
  3. Svetlana
    Svetlana 12 October 2015 12: 49 New
    +3
    The tribunal with the powers of the party of beer lovers.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 12 October 2015 12: 49 New
    +8
    According to the Dutch diplomat, such a step had to be taken in connection with the clear position of the Russian Federation in the UN Security Council.


    Bummer ... the times when RUSSIA allowed itself to be flogged are gone.
    On the other hand, we need to create our own tribunal for such cases.

    After all, KUCHMA did not suffer punishment for killing dozens of passengers on a flight ...

    A severe plane crash that occurred on October 4, 2001. Over the Black Sea, the Siberian Airlines airliner Tu-154M crashed on an SBI1812 flight on the Tel Aviv-Novosibirsk route. All 66 passengers and 12 crew members were killed. According to the conclusion of the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC), the plane was shot down by the Ukrainian S-200 anti-aircraft missile,


    And I remember his words ... well, think you’ve knocked down ... lousy freak ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 12 October 2015 12: 54 New
      0
      Russia has made its position very clear with a veto. This is the end of the efforts to establish a tribunal, and now we are looking for alternatives to it.. Russia has declared that it is not necessary to make it extreme. You want striped want to make it extreme. Russia does not like it.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 12 October 2015 16: 36 New
        +1
        Yesterday there was already a statement that the report was postponed to February.
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 12 October 2015 19: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And I remember his words ... well, think you’ve knocked down ... lousy freak ...


      Too many in the world of such uro doo divorced.
  5. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 12 October 2015 12: 50 New
    +6
    I'm waiting for the funniest report on a plane crash in the world in history.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 12 October 2015 12: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      I'm waiting for the funniest report on a plane crash in the world in history.


      yes even let them publish something ... yesterday we just discussed it ... and still there will be no report ... if I am mistaken, I undertake to shout to the crow three times ... Atalef, Sanya, where are you ... you wanted to argue ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 October 2015 13: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: vorobey
        ... Atalef, Sanya, where are you ... you wanted to argue ...

        Che you scream, you don’t see everyone is sleeping. No one gives a damn about the report.
        If someone publishes something, then there will be something like the following.
        Boeing was hit by a rocket and that’s it hi Boring, uninteresting and trite.
        1. atalef
          atalef 12 October 2015 13: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Che you scream, you don’t see everyone is sleeping.

          Not all, or rather, someone just ate.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Nobody cares about the report.

          do you think everyone? look tomorrow
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If someone publishes something, then there will be something like this. The Boeing was hit by a rocket and that’s all


          Sanya report will be complete. with all the calculations and evidence. Who, Than and where.
          We’ll check tomorrow. or I don’t understand anything in the Dutch. hi
          1. iConst
            iConst 12 October 2015 14: 04 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            or I don’t understand anything in the Dutch.
            - And how do you like the course of Dutch mannerism? And the Utrecht Karavagists?

            Joke ... laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef 12 October 2015 14: 16 New
              0
              Quote: iConst
              ? A Utrecht Karavagist

              I love Caravaggio, and the small Dutch are just a masterpiece
            2. atalef
              atalef 12 October 2015 14: 16 New
              0
              Quote: iConst
              ? A Utrecht Karavagist

              I love Caravaggio, and the small Dutch are just a masterpiece
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 12 October 2015 16: 44 New
                +1
                atalef! There will be nothing, in the first place of the report. On Sunday, the commission of inquiry announced that the report was postponed supposedly to February 2016. Therefore, a statement followed that Holland was leaving the tribunal.
          2. srelock
            srelock 12 October 2015 22: 53 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            the report will be complete. with all the calculations and evidence. Who, Than and where. We’ll check tomorrow. or I don’t understand anything in the Dutch.

            Скорее всего, в докладе будет подробно рассказано о том, что самолёт упал при не выясненных обстоятельствах и вероятно, под влиянием внешней не преодолимой силы. Ни каких "сбит", в докладе быть не должно, иначе вся ответственность автоматически ляжет на Украину. Прочие варианты - не доказуемы.
  6. vovanpain
    vovanpain 12 October 2015 12: 51 New
    +8
    But the mourning mothers of Teresa are all itchy about one place about the Boeing tribunal, it would be better if it was so itchy about the tribunal about ukrokhunt crimes in the Donbass.
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 12 October 2015 12: 51 New
    +2
    indeed, the cart cannot roll in front of the horse ... first finish the investigation of the case and then try to blame and punish
    1. Executer
      Executer 12 October 2015 13: 17 New
      0
      It can be seen ... if you harness the other way around. What they tried to do. Only ICAO can draw any conclusions. And these attempts are a caricature of the investigation. ICAO typically does an RESEARCH rather than an investigation.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 October 2015 12: 51 New
    +2
    The results of the investigation can be predicted.
    This is a custom-made investigation, created under the guidance of the mericatos, with the unequivocal refutation of ALL these facts.
    Does it go any further?
  9. Scoun
    Scoun 12 October 2015 12: 51 New
    +3
    And why is he silent about the discontent of the Malaysians? and indeed.

    Статья под названием "Россияне возмущены голландским расследованием" появилась в старейшей малазийской газете "The New Straits Times" за два дня до объявленной даты опубликования отчета Совета по безопасности Нидерландов, ведущего дело о гибели "боинга" под Донецком. До этого момента ход расследования был закрытым. Но к малазийским журналистам попало письмо заместителя руководителя Росавиации Олега Сторчевого на имя президента Международной организации гражданской авиации, которая во всем мире расследует авиакатастрофы. Российская сторона не считает проведенное расследование полноценным и непредвзятым.
    "Следственная группа вместо того, чтобы вначале изучить характер повреждений носовой части самолета и фюзеляжа, а потом делать логические и заключительные выводы, сразу же объявила, что лайнер был сбит с помощью зенитно-ракетного комплекса "Бук", более того - из того места, которое было указано сразу же после катастрофы", - говорится в письме.

    See the original material at http://www.1tv.ru/news/social/293921
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  11. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 12 October 2015 12: 54 New
    0
    Доклад будет, причину огласят, но виновник выявлен не будет. Все же "знают", что это Россия и Путин. А в свете последних событий не удивлюсь, если будет заявлено, что Боинг был сбит Калибром из Каспийского моря.
  12. rererilka
    rererilka 12 October 2015 12: 56 New
    0
    Sapsem stole, it seems what Locked on the tribunal, at least some, but the tribunal belay
  13. mr.vasilievich
    mr.vasilievich 12 October 2015 12: 56 New
    +1
    At first, an adequate investigation - then a tribunal.
    1. venaya
      venaya 12 October 2015 13: 38 New
      0
      Quote: mr.vasilievich
      At first, an adequate investigation - then a tribunal.

      They are so not interested, according to their rules: First, the accusation of the unprofitable, then the punishment of them in the form of sanctions, then the tribunal of third-party countries, and only after that, the investigation can be carried out indefinitely, it is no longer interesting and does not matter, since the thing is done, and what else can be said, the meaning disappears.
  14. Aksakal_07
    Aksakal_07 12 October 2015 12: 56 New
    +1
    It is time to start the process of creating an international tribunal for judging the crimes of the Kiev Maidan junta.
    1. Executer
      Executer 12 October 2015 13: 21 New
      +2
      А конкретнее - трибунал над этими "расследователями"!
  15. Fox_1959
    Fox_1959 12 October 2015 12: 56 New
    +1
    ... identifying not only Australia itself, but also Ukraine as a mourner


    Well, that’s how it is certainly so ... Where is the West without a grieving Ukraine. She shoots her people with sorrow in her eyes and on her face (Poroshenko and Yaytsenyuk, at least) ... Two dozen hellish lads. True, the West does not care that the rest of the world perceives these two as two big piles of shit.
  16. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 12 October 2015 12: 59 New
    0
    Мне кажется, смысла следить за этим расследованием нет. Использовать российские исследования, результаты экспериментов и прочее не дадут американцы, потому что понятно, что в таком случае всю вину возложат на них, а если попробуют обвинить Россию, то наши компетентные люди всегда смогут объявить выводы "экспертов" ложными и привести доказательства этому. Так что думаю, эта история уже исчерпала себя
  17. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 12 October 2015 13: 05 New
    +2
    Tomorrow we will receive a report in the style of: maybe rain, maybe snow, maybe, or maybe not. And the topic with Boeing will be drowned in oblivion ... The investigation has apparently come to a standstill, you can’t call the real culprits, and the desired, appointed ones can also resist, it’s also dangerous ... So I thought.
  18. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 12 October 2015 13: 05 New
    +2
    "Violinist is not needed" (Кин-Дза-Дза) laughing

    Let ICAO understand as it should.

    Let the ICC (in which Russia is not involved, and Ukraine, as the most democratic country - apparently yes) catch the drunk ukro-Buk operators who launched the ukro-rocket through a peaceful Boeing.
  19. sinukvl
    sinukvl 12 October 2015 13: 09 New
    +2
    That's it, Bobik is dead !!! And now we need to demand an objective and open investigation into this case and bring the perpetrators to criminal responsibility, and not to shift it from a sore point to a healthy one and blur the facts. Raised the wind, get a storm.
  20. Masya masya
    Masya masya 12 October 2015 13: 12 New
    +2
    It doesn’t stick together, they will continue to stick ...
  21. roskot
    roskot 12 October 2015 13: 14 New
    +1
    We grieve too. Love. Remember.
    But double standards will not pass. We will follow strictly.
  22. K-50
    K-50 12 October 2015 13: 17 New
    +1
    Russia very clearly stated its position with the help of a veto. This is the end of the efforts to establish the tribunal, and now we are looking for alternatives to it.

    What to stir up the water, they would publish the data that were sprinkled during the investigation and would dance from them, would make concrete claims with evidence.
    True, who from Matrasia will allow them this? laughing
    It’s better to unfold everything on Russia and the militias! angry
    It seems to me that all countries will be strongly affected by their non-constructive position in Russia, they will bite their elbows and their neighbor! am laughing
  23. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 12 October 2015 13: 26 New
    0
    And you need to start with these smokers who are investigating.
  24. evil partisan
    evil partisan 12 October 2015 13: 27 New
    +1
    Wipe yourself, iron.
  25. ostrom
    ostrom 12 October 2015 13: 32 New
    +1
    Interesting. It turns out, Ukraine, a priori not guilty, because she mourns ... It looks strange. By analogy, the murder suspect in court sits in the hall, among the relatives of the victim and mourns in an embrace, together with his wife and children, according to the deceased, what is the picture?
  26. Victor-M
    Victor-M 12 October 2015 13: 40 New
    0
    One of the “alternative options” is the so-called “tribunal of grieving countries”.

    Mourners for a failed attempt to blame Russia. laughing
  27. drags33
    drags33 12 October 2015 13: 48 New
    +3
    Все закономерно - того, что хотела представить "комиссия" международному трибуналу НЕТ, а то, что есть, вообще показывать никому нельзя... Так что не зря Россия "положила" на них в Совбезе ООН!
  28. Million
    Million 12 October 2015 13: 57 New
    +2
    Yes, the Netherlands to us * on this Boeing and on the dead, if only to please the states!
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  30. AlexTires
    AlexTires 12 October 2015 14: 25 New
    +2
    The Netherlands declares that, unfortunately, there will not be a tribunal, since the #MH17 flight apparently was really shot down by Ukrainians - it’s possible to diverge ...... laughing
  31. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 12 October 2015 14: 25 New
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    Commentary removed from YouTube: [media = http: //delyagin.ru/articles/87765-rossiya-vetirovala-rezolyut
    ciyu-sovbeza-oon-po-boingu.html]
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  33. Stinger
    Stinger 12 October 2015 15: 31 New
    0
    The idea has outlived itself. The device ate the money. But is it time to create a tribunal to investigate the actions of the Dutch commission?
  34. avia1991
    avia1991 12 October 2015 16: 10 New
    0
    One of the “alternative options” is the so-called “tribunal of grieving countries”.
    Рискуют, пи.н.д.останские прихвостни! Так ведь, по аналогии, можно создать и "Трибунал ОДНОЙ скорбящей России": по ком из НИХ мы будем "скорбеть", наши ВКС позаботятся wassat
  35. 4ekist
    4ekist 12 October 2015 22: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Lelek
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    And I remember his words ... well, think you’ve knocked down ... lousy freak ...


    Too many in the world of such uro doo divorced.

    Этот тоже один из скорбящих? Странно вообще, что Украина названа "скорбящей" страной. Это просто издевательство над погибшими людьми.