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What caused the death of the first European civilization?

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I read all the materials of V. Shpakovsky about weapons and armor of the ancient Aegean world and thought it would be nice to talk about other interesting points related to history and the culture of this region of the planet. And, in particular, about the Minoan culture, the forerunner of the warlike time of the Achaeans and about ... the death of people of the Minoan civilization, because the frescoes and letters about this are silent, although the excavations and scientific research have been going on for a very long time. But ordinary people crowds “burst” on Crete, turning into true pilgrims, driven by the goal to pass the path of seven beautiful Athenian young men and women, delivered, as legend has it, to the half-human half-man Minotaur.


What caused the death of the first European civilization?

Small reconstruction of a huge palace

Road to the Maze ...
What pushes them into the abode of the monster located in Crete, where myths, culture and science are so closely intertwined? What causes people to be so attracted to places of former sacrifices that occurred many centuries ago? And why do they spend such sums of money here, as if bringing great tribute to the king of Crete - the eminent ruler Minos? And why, finding themselves in the palace complex of Knossos, wherever the tourists come from, the main question is asked about the labyrinth: did the underground labyrinth of the Minotaur exist or not? And having heard a negative answer, they do not believe it and with pleasure circle around the excavations of the famous Knossos Palace, imagining themselves to be the hero and savior of Theseus, then the English archaeologist Evans, who discovered him in 1900 AD.


Rhyton stone with relief image of agricultural workers with forks and brooms in their hands! (1500 - 1450 BC) Archaeological Museum in Heraklion, Crete.

Thus, if we rely on the opinion of scientists, here, at the turn of the III – II millennia BC, the first European culture appeared. Evans gave her the name of the Minoan after the famous Minos. It was noted by scientists as the highest in its development culture of mankind. After all, the Minoan culture was the basis of ancient Greek. At least, the earlier cultures are not known to science here. Remains found it only in the early twentieth century. The most famous monument of this culture is the Palace of Knossos in Heraklion. The frescoes on the walls of the palace reveal the character of the life of the people, peaceful and very joyful.


Fragment of rhyton.

The Minoans are not Greeks. Greeks are not Minoans
Much earlier than the ancient Greeks, who were striving for absolute harmony of body and spirit, the Minoans had obviously already acquired it. The first great culture, the forerunner of the ancient Greek civilization, as scientists believe, was a culture ... absolutely happy people!

The core of the social order was not superiority, but commonwealth. The conjecture that this was a peace-loving era is confirmed by another important fact - the absolute absence of any fortification structures. Economy flourished, arts developed. The fact that Cretan-Minoan art is an art of major is obviously not even professional. And the fact that it is not style, but taste, and refined, is not denied by art historians.

Cretan culture unknown tragic. Pessimism is not a Minoan lifestyle. The colors of the Minoan era are colorful, the painting is multi-colored and cheerful. Black silhouette on the red baked clay from the Greeks will appear much later.


Play with the bull. The famous Minoan fresco from the Palace of Knossos.

In Minoan art there are no battle scenes. There are neither warriors nor heroic conquerors here, and therefore the cult figure is the woman who gives life. The conclusion suggests a definite, that in the Minoan culture, in particular, in art, then life and the love of life dominated.

262 characters and a million puzzles
Crete has never been underground treasures. The wealth of their country - the legends and myths of ancient Greece, and material evidence of the existence of Minoan culture, which provide a comfortable life for the inhabitants of the island for a huge number of years. Only the museum of archeology in Athens in its completeness and uniqueness of the collection exceeds the collection of exhibits of the Heraklion Archaeological Museum, covering the period of the development of history in 6000 years.


Golden images of a double ax (1700 – 1600 years BC). Archaeological Museum of Heraklion, Crete.

Here are located and carefully preserved the originals of all the frescoes that were found during the excavations of the Palace of Knossos. Other, no less significant exhibits of Minoan culture are also collected here: Kamarian-style ceramics, with transparent walls like good porcelain; stone carving, print, microsculpture, gold jewelry. One of the central exhibits - the Festival of the disc - the very first Minoan letter, made in the form of clay "pancake" with a diameter of 16 centimeters. Both sides of the disk are written in spirals with hieroglyphic signs. This disc has been preserved due to the excellent property of clay: when firing, acquire special strength. The fire that occurred in the Palace of Knossos destroyed it to the ground, but the unique disk has survived to our times. On both sides of this artifact is the 262 symbol, of which 46 is unequal. The meaning of these signs is still unknown to science, but it assumes that there is a cult hymn written to the mother goddess. In the archaeological world there is such a suitable line: the inexplicable explain ritual meaning.


The columns of the Palace of Knossos. Photo by A. Ponomarev.

... It is necessary to look intently through the stone horns of a bull from the Knossos ruins on the mountain Yukhtas, as in its outlines one can recognize the face of a man with a beard. This is Zeus, who blesses tourists for a visit to the Palace of Knossos, an archaeological complex with an area of ​​22000 square meters, having 300 premises of various purposes: royal chambers, treasuries, workshops, warehouses, bathrooms ... The Throne of Minos, which is already four thousand years old, can be admired indefinitely, and a copy of the throne can be seen in the building of the International Court of Justice in The Hague ...


The throne room with a griffin in the Palace of Knossos in Crete. Photo by A. Ponomarev.

Next to the colossal pithoi - vessels for storing olive oil, honey, wine and other provisions, the height of a person - come thoughts about the insatiability and thrift of a person. The time of the manufacture of vessels around 1800 BC


It was in such jars that the grain was then stored. In the girl next to the pitcher exactly 1 and 70, see

More than a hundred of such vessels with a capacity of up to one ton were found at the excavations. ... The inhabitants of the Palace of Knossos sought to make life more favorable in it. A stunning fact, but true: the water supply and sewage system, perfect in its qualities, was built in the palace so that, in any place where water leaks, the system could be easily and quickly repaired. Interestingly, in the early twentieth century. when excavating in Crete, there was no sewage on the island, and then Arthur Evans, seeing a round hole and ash near it, obviously, it was a wooden toilet belonging to the queen, he cried: "Now I am the only person in Crete who has a real toilet ! Evans believed that he discovered the oldest toilet in the world. And so far no one has denied this.

Rich German Schliemann and rich Englishman Evans
Before Evans, the 63-year-old Heinrich Schliemann was selected to the place where the Palace of Knossos was subsequently opened. He had a goal - to buy up these lands in order to delve over there himself, but it was not possible to conclude a deal. The reason is called the following: it seems that Schliemann didn’t buy it because the number of olive trees on this site didn’t coincide with the stated number. That is, the Turks (then they and the Turks!) Decided to deceive him, so he did not make a deal with them. Most likely, his ego played a role here. He, a world-famous scientist, was offended by the fact that they simply wanted to be held. But the historian and journalist Evans was less scrupulous, and besides - he was much younger than Schliemann. And the 48-year-old Briton had as many as fifteen years in reserve. In the spring of 1900, Evans bought land here, as the man was not poor and had the opportunity, although not without risk, to manage impressive amounts. He began to dig, and from the very beginning of his research he discovered frescoed walls, ceramics from Dominican times and clay tablets with inscriptions. By the end of the archaeological survey, a quarter of the Palace of Knossos was excavated. A year later, Evans announced his wish: it would take him at least another year to find everything that is of scientific interest. But he miscalculated. And after a quarter of a century, excavations were still going on there ...


Wall painting in the “House of Women” in Akrotiri, Santorini, Greece.

Contemporaries of Arthur Evans, to put it mildly, scolded him: the excavation technology at that time was imperfect, and Evans considered one of the main “sins” of trying to protect the ancient walls of the palace from the pernicious influence of the sun and rain, which they fixed with concrete; and others, which seemed to be later, demolished, others overbuilt, making the palace look the way he saw it — too great was the desire to show the Palace of Knossos in the form of romantic ancient ruins ... Although to its credit we note that the findings were not removed from Greece: it remains in the funds of the museums of Crete and Athens. Evans spent enormous own funds to expand archaeological research. And ... he died at the age of 90 years absolutely happy - from the historical non-existence he revealed to the "world of God" the seemingly forever gone culture and introduced it to the whole world.

Minoan matriarchy
... Thin waist, bright make-up, huge eyes, air laces on the shoulders are a seductive creation, the elegance and grace of which did not spoil the centuries spent by this miracle in the land ... "This is a true Parisian!" Cried one of Evans’s hired workers, having seen a fresco with the image of young Minoan "young lady". She really reminded the archaeologists of elegant French women at the very beginning of the twentieth century, so the name "Parisian" remained forever behind her.
The Arkalohori Axis is a bronze cast double-edged ax, probably a sacral destination, found in the Arkalohori cave by the Greek archaeologist Spiridon Marinatos in 1935 year. 1700 - 1450 BC. Archaeological Museum of Heraklion. Crete.

Because of this, some critics find the first signs of impressionism in Cretan painting, and compare its sophistication with decadence, noting that the impressionist vision of the Cretan painter was repelled, not from satiety in life, as in the West, but from youth ... Looking at the "Parisian" , people make assumptions about the Minoan fashion, reflecting the life style of the Minoan society, where a considerable socio-political role was determined for the woman.


Here it is - the famous "Parisian".

What were the women of that time? They, as well as men, were slim and short. They wore a lot of expensive jewelry: earrings, tiaras, gold pendants. Minoan men also loved jewels. "Minoims" adored fluffy dresses with long multi-layered skirts and ... an open corsage, faces shaded with headdresses in order to keep the skin pale. It was considered indecent to expose the belly, but now the breast was willingly exposed! They were not similar to the harem captives, whose spouses or fathers were released from captivity on the occasion of a momentous event ... Looking at their images, one would like to see them in some entertaining movie, although this would most likely never happen. In 1952, an attempt was made to show them in the movie “Wanderings of Odyssey,” where the young beauty of Crete who fell in love with Odyssey, just puts on the characteristic Cretan outfit before the wedding. But ... because of morality, she had to cover her breasts with a white fabric insert, which in fact was not. And imagine a film in which all the heroines have their breasts naked and some adventures still occur there. Funny, isn't it?


As many as three "Parisians" ...


Cretan women had an unusually thin waist and were fragile. The Minoan men were also slim and well built. They all wore long hair styled in fancy hairstyles. You can compare for a long time, but the result is the same: in the works of Minoan art, men have a very feminine look. On the frescoes from Knossos, they are distinguished solely by coloring - men were depicted with reddish-brown skin, and women sported amazingly white. The latter in all the frescoes are represented by those attending religious ceremonies, dancing and competing in full equality with men. For women, there was not just freedom: all scientists say - the Minoans had a real matriarchy. And the entire value system that was characteristic of the Minoan civilization was oriented specifically towards women, and it was the women who determined the way of life and themes in art. That's just what it all led to?


Incense jars from the Archaeological Museum in Larnaca, Cyprus.

The wrath of the gods or the intrigues of flighty women?
From the Palace of Knossos, built approximately in 1900 BC. and turned into ruins after an earthquake in 1700 BC, rebuilt and finally collapsed after a fire (arson?) 1400 BC, only ruins remained. What did not fall apart during natural disasters and did not burn in the fire, in the Roman era was plundered by people. Stones went to the course as a building material for homes. But this is not about the barbaric attitude towards the ancient civilization, but about the disappearance of the Minoan culture.


Restored part of the Palace of Knossos. Photo by A. Ponomarev

Unfortunately, the hieroglyphic writing and linear letter “A” remained unscrambled. Scientists know the main thing: the Minoans were not interested in war. They lived a serene, but short life - at that time fifty years were revered by extreme old age, and mature age in men came in 35, and in women in 27 years. But over time, the women of Minoan Crete, no one remembered ...


Jugs from the Palace of Knossos are exhibited right there and all of them are photographed. Photo by A. Ponomarev.

Why did the Minoans die? From the earthquakes that took place on a nearby island, where the height of a tsunami wave that started near Santorina could reach a height of two hundred meters? Or from psychological shock, because the universal natural cataclysm meant that the higher forces sent a terrible punishment to the whole people? And maybe from the aggression of foreigners? Or because of banal female intrigues? It is known that where women are sovereign, no threads of Ariadne will lead to one truth: there will be a great many, and every one will be right in its own way ...


Sarcophagus from Larnaca. Though not of the Minoan time, it is still very ancient and impressive.

From the ancient theater leads the road that unites the large Knossos Palace with the small. There are still excavations here, the palace is already on the surface of the earth, but for the time being it is closed to visitors. Of course, the work should continue, at the same time the bottom near the coast of Crete should be studied. Nowadays, when the world has become the only and necessary form of coexistence of all mankind, the social order of Crete may be of more than just academic interest.


Phaistos disc, side A. Archaeological Museum of Heraklion, Crete.

“... The Phaistos disc will never be decrypted - there is very little text in this letter,” some believe. “The new excavations will help to solve the riddles of the death of the first European culture and point the way to universal harmony,” the latter wholeheartedly believe. Well, living nowadays can only hope for the correctness of the latter. And what is by no means the sacred hymn written on the festival of disc, but the ancestral formula of love and the “recipe” of world harmony left behind us by our ancestors, for which humanity will not spare any of the treasures of the world. And in the same place among the symbols there is an image of a running man dressed in short pants. It may be that he is in a hurry to tell mankind a secret of happiness, which is already four thousand years old?


Phaistos disc, side B. Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete.
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  1. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 27 October 2015 06: 40 New
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    their war was not of interest, but of interest to others. there will always be neighbors who are not averse to making money at the expense of others.
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 27 October 2015 08: 19 New
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      Andrei Shliman, when he lived in Russia already had a reputation as a swindler and unscrupulous businessman who profited from unscrupulous deliveries to the Russian army and can this person be trusted with historical excavations? it is necessary and found the "three" and found the palace in Crete. In those days, no one doubted that all these archaeological creeps were machinations. "Find" the type of "ancient" manuscripts, declare that they are 3 thousand years old, it is not clear how, and then they dig out some old ruins under these tales and call them Troy, the palace, begin to sell their crafts in museums and drive tourists, in this case feed, that's all bred, which is called traditional history ...
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 27 October 2015 09: 40 New
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        Quote: war and peace
        Schliemann, when he lived in Russia already had a reputation as a crook and an unscrupulous businessman who profited from unscrupulous deliveries to the Russian army and can this person be trusted with historical excavations? it is necessary and found the "three" and found the palace in Crete.

        I even found the “Troy gold”, the story is well understood by Bushkov. And about his excavations, so he barbarously destroyed several cultural layers.
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 27 October 2015 10: 06 New
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        So he and the Turks, more than once deceived, because they threw him, in response.
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 27 October 2015 12: 20 New
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          Quote: AKuzenka
          So he and the Turks, more than once deceived, because they threw him, in response.


          it is very likely that this whole "Priam treasure" did not leave Germany at all ...
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      3. Glot
        Glot 27 October 2015 10: 49 New
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        "Find" the type of "ancient" manuscripts, declare that they are 3 thousand years old, it is not clear how, and then they dig out some old ruins under these tales and call them Troy, the palace, begin to sell their crafts in museums and drive tourists, in this case feed, that's all bred, which is called traditional history ...


        Yes, indeed, all the fools around. The whole scientific world, all of them all are fools and charlatans. laughing Then there’s nothing to do, then how to dig, then dig, and also learn for years and decades knowledge that is fiction. Yes ? laughing
        But then you, and people like you, the smartest guys, open to us - unhappy and deceived, eyes on the world-wide conspiracy of scientists. laughing
        And then what was excavated on Gissarlyk? Do not enlighten us, orphans ...
        And in Crete, whose is it all? Tell me ...
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 27 October 2015 11: 42 New
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          Quote: Glot
          Yes, indeed, all the fools around. The whole scientific world, all of them all are fools and charlatans.


          there is such a concept in psychology CIRCULAR GUARANTEE and CORPORATE ETHICS - this is when a group of accomplices united by one goal seeks to prevent people carrying other knowledge and a different point of view in everyday life. From the time of Peter to the middle of the 19th century HALF A CENTURY, Russian people could not get into Russian science, basically everything was German. And just at that very time the Russian history of NORMAN VERSION OF THE RUSSIAN STATE, TATAROMONGOL, and other nonsense was created, and what TI pushes away from.
          Nowadays, little that changes at the helm of Russian science is mainly non-Russian, mostly Jews, who in the same way do not allow anything alien to science in them, which can be considered as contradicting traditional history.
          And I suspect the same thing on this site.

          Quote: Glot
          But then you, and people like you, the smartest guys, open to us - unhappy and deceived, eyes on the world-wide conspiracy of scientists. laughing
          And then what was excavated on Gissarlyk? Do not enlighten us, orphans ...
          And in Crete, whose is it all? Tell me ...


          and it’s not written on these old ruins what kind of a village this was, and dating is also not a small problem. If we consider impartially i.e. within the existing paradigm, then dating is difficult, if not impossible.
          But they say that they didn’t leave Germany at all, they did the same there and left, but a detective story about transportation from Turkey, he himself invented a sham and didn’t come up with it. did when gold was in the USSR and of course they will never be made in Germany, do they need it?
          1. marline
            marline 27 October 2015 12: 30 New
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            Quote: war and peace
            ... From the time of Peter to the middle of the 19th century HALF A CENTURY Russian people could not get into Russian science, basically everything was German ...

            Of course, I wildly apologize for daring ... yes, I dare to distract you, the greatest, most intelligent and wisest KOZAK of our present ...
            But do not you explain - Count Kirill G. Razumovsky - is he German too, or is he already a Jew ???
            1. War and Peace
              War and Peace 27 October 2015 13: 44 New
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              Quote: merlin
              Quote: war and peace
              ... From the time of Peter to the middle of the 19th century HALF A CENTURY Russian people could not get into Russian science, basically everything was German ...

              Of course, I wildly apologize for daring ... yes, I dare to distract you, the greatest, most intelligent and wisest KOZAK of our present ...
              But do not you explain - Count Kirill G. Razumovsky - is he German too, or is he already a Jew ???


              and hell knows who he is, who knows all sorts of “Ivanovs” only by passport?
              however, I’m not talking about this, there were only a few Russians, the rest are not Russians, anyone who wants can be convinced
              http://isaran.ru/?q=ru/persostav&order=3

              and as for you, you certainly perfectly understood what it was about, but however fool -this only once again says that you and people like you do not tell the truth, but always mislead i.e. they lie ...
              1. marline
                marline 27 October 2015 13: 55 New
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                Quote: war and peace
                however, I’m not talking about this, there were only a few Russians, the rest are not Russians, anyone who wants can be convinced

                Still, were the Russians? And they said:
                Quote: war and peace
                from the time of Peter to the middle of the 19th century Russian people could not get into Russian science basically everything was German

                I’m saying a bazaar woman ... weakly answer for my words ...
                Quote: war and peace
                ... TRADIKI like you do not tell the truth, but always mislead i.e. they lie ...

                What did I write that Lomonosov is German? Such as We, try to monitor the language, and not sweep their gender, as YOU like to do ...
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                  1. Glot
                    Glot 27 October 2015 14: 35 New
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                    Lomonosov in prison sat for a fight with a German about the story


                    Mikhailo Lomonosov, as it were, was distinguished by his violent disposition and his muzzle was beaten not only by the Germans and not only because of disagreements in understanding these or those events in history.
                    So this doesn’t mean anything at all. smile
                  2. marline
                    marline 27 October 2015 15: 09 New
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                    Quote: war and peace
                    Lomonosov in prison was sitting at a fight with a German about the story ...

                    Yes, you are a particularly gifted individual, you just deleted him from Russian history with your post, calling him a German ... and now he turns out to be Germans’s faces, and, I’ll tell you a terrible secret, he was friends with a German and his wife was German .
                    1. Sweles
                      Sweles 27 October 2015 15: 30 New
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                      Quote: merlin
                      Quote: war and peace
                      Lomonosov in prison was sitting at a fight with a German about the story ...

                      Yes, you are a particularly gifted individual, you just deleted him from Russian history with your post, calling him a German ... and now he turns out to be Germans’s faces, and, I’ll tell you a terrible secret, he was friends with a German and his wife was German .


                      in general, the texts of Lomonosov’s works and his historical works do not coincide in the so-called author’s invariant, this is when the number of service words is counted in the text. The frequency of the author’s use of service words for each author is different, so the analysis performed in this way says that Lomonosov was corrected.
                      As for the friend and wife, then there were many Germans at that time.
                    2. War and Peace
                      War and Peace 27 October 2015 16: 12 New
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                      Quote: merlin
                      Quote: war and peace
                      Lomonosov in prison was sitting at a fight with a German about the story ...

                      Yes, you are a particularly gifted individual, you just deleted him from Russian history with your post, calling him a German ... and now he turns out to be Germans’s faces, and, I’ll tell you a terrible secret, he was friends with a German and his wife was German .


                      the story with Lomonosov says that he really worried about Russia and science, but Lomonosov was dirty, as he could, for example, Lomonosov, he opened the law on the conservation of matter for twenty years from the experiments of Lavoisier, but for a completely incomprehensible reason they gave the name along with Lomonosov the name this Frenchman. This speaks only of one thing at that time, as indeed, the UNDERSTANDING of Russian science was going on now, and such a policy came from the very top from the tsars ...
                      1. marline
                        marline 27 October 2015 16: 36 New
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                        No, look, good people: I told him about Thomas, he told me about Yarema ...
                        Oshesh, do you understand Russian well? Whose words are written below:
                        Quote: war and peace
                        From the time of Peter to the middle of the 19th century HALF A CENTURY Russian people could not get into Russian science

                        You said you were wrong? No ... So what? LOMONOSOV - NOT RUSSIAN - according to your words
                      2. War and Peace
                        War and Peace 27 October 2015 16: 51 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        No, look, good people: I told him about Thomas, he told me about Yarema ...
                        Oshesh, do you understand Russian well? Whose words are written below:
                        Quote: war and peace
                        From the time of Peter to the middle of the 19th century HALF A CENTURY Russian people could not get into Russian science

                        You said you were wrong? No ... So what? LOMONOSOV - NOT RUSSIAN - according to your words


                        would you have time for uncle to be treated with electricity due to progressive degradation of the brain, dullness, as the norm when communicating in these circles, but here are normal people, why are you bothering?
                      3. marline
                        marline 27 October 2015 17: 08 New
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                        Quote: war and peace
                        would you have time for uncle to be treated with electricity due to progressive degradation of the brain, dullness, as the norm when communicating in these circles, but here are normal people, why are you bothering?

                        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                        True-uterus hurts your eyes? To object, except for swearing, is nothing more ...
                      4. War and Peace
                        War and Peace 27 October 2015 17: 12 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        Quote: war and peace
                        would you have time for uncle to be treated with electricity due to progressive degradation of the brain, dullness, as the norm when communicating in these circles, but here are normal people, why are you bothering?

                        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                        True-uterus hurts your eyes? To object, except for swearing, is nothing more ...


                        your uterus is a subject for discussion in your circles, take your uterus and x unit vector ...
                      5. marline
                        marline 27 October 2015 17: 21 New
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                        Quote: war and peace
                        your uterus is a subject for discussion in your circles, take your uterus and x unit vector ...

                        Wow, what words do we know, taught for a long time? With such an IQ, probably about two weeks, no less ... And you see a word like reflection, you don’t know wink
                      6. War and Peace
                        War and Peace 27 October 2015 17: 28 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        Quote: war and peace
                        your uterus is a subject for discussion in your circles, take your uterus and x unit vector ...

                        Wow, what words do we know, taught for a long time? With such an IQ, probably about two weeks, no less ... And you see a word like reflection, you don’t know wink


                        what are you asking? uterine rabies?
                      7. marline
                        marline 27 October 2015 17: 37 New
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                        Quote: war and peace
                        what are you asking? uterine rabies?

                        Reflection - the ability to rethink your own behavior.
                        And uterine rabies is a nymphomania ...
                        I’m somehow already not sure that you are capable of reflection ...
                      8. War and Peace
                        War and Peace 27 October 2015 17: 45 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        Quote: war and peace
                        what are you asking? uterine rabies?

                        Reflection - the ability to rethink your own behavior.
                        And uterine rabies is a nymphomania ...
                        I’m somehow already not sure that you are capable of reflection ...


                        to think yes, but to reflect as you are not, that's why you have
                        problems with gray matter, because you are reflexing instead of thinking, your Russophobes have it all comes down to this ...
                      9. marline
                        marline 27 October 2015 17: 50 New
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                        Quote: war and peace
                        to think yes, but to reflex as you are not, that’s why you have problems with gray matter, because instead of thinking, you have Russophobia, you think it’s all reduced to this ...

                        ANIMALS are incapable of reflection
                      10. War and Peace
                        War and Peace 27 October 2015 17: 53 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        Quote: war and peace
                        to think yes, but to reflex as you are not, that’s why you have problems with gray matter, because instead of thinking, you have Russophobia, you think it’s all reduced to this ...

                        ANIMALS are incapable of reflection


                        and idiots don’t use their heads ...
                      11. marline
                        marline 27 October 2015 18: 27 New
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                        Quote: war and peace
                        and idiots don’t use their heads ...

                        And what do you not use? Or do you need a hat to wear?
                      12. War and Peace
                        War and Peace 27 October 2015 18: 41 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        Quote: war and peace
                        and idiots don’t use their heads ...

                        And what do you not use? Or do you need a hat to wear?


                        and how such an idiot can notice? your specialty is reflection turning into asphyxia and vice versa, so recognizing reality is a problem ...
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  • kalibr
    27 October 2015 15: 46 New
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    Do not answer him foolishly because of his stupidity so that you will not become like him.
    Do not answer foolishly because of his stupidity so that he does not become a sage in his own eyes.
    Proverbs (26, 5-6).
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 27 October 2015 16: 02 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      Do not answer him foolishly because of his stupidity so that you will not become like him.
      Do not answer foolishly because of his stupidity so that he does not become a sage in his own eyes.
      Proverbs (26, 5-6).


      Of course, do not answer when there is nothing ...
      1. kalibr
        27 October 2015 21: 29 New
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        And I thought for such notebook Russophiles the words of the Bible are holy ... After all, Russophile, he must be a true believer, Orthodox ... but how else to fight with Russophobes? Only text from the scriptures ...
        1. marline
          marline 27 October 2015 22: 02 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          And I thought for such notebook Russophiles the words of the Bible are holy ... After all, Russophile, he must be a true believer, Orthodox ... but how else to fight with Russophobes? Only text from the scriptures ...

          Russophile? Strange, I had the very opposite impression ... In my opinion, judging by his posts, he hates Russian history, the Russian faith, Russian culture and the Russian language. He also hates the Cossacks, I don’t know why ...
          So, you must admit, Vyacheslav Olegovich, what a paradoxical situation is developing on this site, everyone who really defends Russian self-identity is labeled with Russophobia ... simply mutually exclusive paragraphs ...
        2. War and Peace
          War and Peace 27 October 2015 22: 35 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          And I thought for such notebook Russophiles the words of the Bible are holy ... After all, Russophile, he must be a true believer, Orthodox ... but how else to fight with Russophobes? Only text from the scriptures ...


          I prefer Alik Kaponov’s advice in such a situation - “of course you can reach the soul with a good word, but better with a gun and a good word, it’s faster”
  • tomket
    tomket 28 October 2015 12: 37 New
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    Quote: war and peace
    TRADITORS do not tell the truth, but always mislead i.e. they lie ...

    But Tur Kheerdal believed that the ancestors of the Vikings lived on the territory of the Don River, and Odin was a historical person. That is, the Vikings and the whole Norman theory originated from the Don Cossacks.))))) An unexpected turn, right?)))) Nosovsky relaxes and nervously smokes aside)))) in addition, Nosovsky does not have such scientific authority as Heerdal) )))).
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 28 October 2015 07: 17 New
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    Count Kirill Grigoryevich Razumovsky - is he also a German, or is he already a Jew ???

    and hell knows who he is, who knows all sorts of “Ivanovs” only by passport?

    It turns out - a Jew .... and a surname suspicious - probably from the Polish Jews will be. request

    What to do with them ??? They have all the answers ready ...

    This is a conspiracy!
    1. marline
      marline 28 October 2015 08: 29 New
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      Quote: Aljavad
      What to do with them ??? They have all the answers ready ... This is a conspiracy!

      Do you think Western NGOs and Fomenko are paying to brainwash young schoolchildren? And what very much may be, in Ukraine, after such conversations, they started to jump wink
      And Razumovsky from Maloros, the last in the history of the hetman of the Zaporizhzhya army, is a Cossack, that is, although now this is not interesting for schoolchildren.
  • Glot
    Glot 27 October 2015 13: 01 New
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    there is such a concept in psychology CIRCULAR GUARANTEE and CORPORATE ETHICS is when a group of accomplices united by one goal seeks to prevent people carrying other knowledge and a different point of view


    Ah, there it is. Right for sure - a world conspiracy.
    You yourself are not funny.

    Nowadays, little that changes at the helm of Russian science is mainly non-Russian, mostly Jews, who in the same way do not allow anything alien to science in them, which can be considered as contradicting traditional history.


    Learn family lists, those who are now, who were in the 20th, 19th centuries. Be very surprised. I have one friend, one friend, both historians. The first "Horde" second in Russia specialize. Well, never Jews. Both are Russians. So do not trend in vain.

    but it’s not written on these old ruins what kind of a village this was, and dating is also not a small problem


    Why? Sometimes it is written. Everything is established according to various sources, and not exactly by the fact that they were often found at the excavation site. Yes, and with dating everything is also quite normal.

    But they say that they didn’t leave Germany at all, they did the same there and left, but a detective story about transportation from Turkey, he himself invented a sham and didn’t come up with it. did when gold was in the USSR and of course they will never be made in Germany, do they need it?


    I advise you to visit the Pushkin Museum in Moscow. There it is, a little gold, put up there. You are simply completely unaware of what you are trying to talk about. You don’t even know such elementary power. You want a conspiracy, but ... no. smile
    And you think that you did not study it? Studied, you can have no doubt.
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 27 October 2015 13: 56 New
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      Quote: Glot
      I advise you to visit the Pushkin Museum in Moscow. There it is, a little gold, put up there. You’re simply completely unaware of what you’re trying to talk about. You don’t even know such elementary power. You want a conspiracy, but ... no. smile
      And you think that you did not study it? Studied, you can have no doubt.


      really do not know, but it doesn’t matter gold in Pushkin, not gold in the Hermitage, with us? but chemical analysis will not be done anyway ...
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 27 October 2015 14: 38 New
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        really not in the know
        This is exactly the determining factor.
        Here, one character from the picture was also not in the know ... of any topic ... But he had a huge opinion. tongue
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 27 October 2015 15: 04 New
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          Quote: abrakadabre
          really not in the know
          This is exactly the determining factor.
          Here, one character from the picture was also not in the know ... of any topic ... But he had a huge opinion. tongue


          But what did the balls say that he was not aware of something? Yes, you didn’t even read Bulgakov, but you also judge history ...
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        3. kalibr
          27 October 2015 15: 47 New
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          Do not answer him foolishly because of his stupidity so that you will not become like him.
          Do not answer foolishly because of his stupidity so that he does not become a sage in his own eyes.
          Proverbs (26, 5-6).
      2. Glot
        Glot 27 October 2015 14: 40 New
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        really not in the know, but it doesn’t matter gold in Pushkinsky


        How is that not important? It is important. Do you know what this is talking about? The fact that you are not in the subject, just did not know this. And so the question is. What are your words worth? Is it possible to believe them in principle?
        The answer is obvious. No ! request

        Yes, and how do you know what research was conducted with that gold? Do you think that it is a fake? Do you have evidence of this? I doubt ...
        Believe me, such artifacts do not leave without research. And it doesn’t do without authenticity verification either.
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 27 October 2015 15: 07 New
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          Quote: Glot
          Yes, and how do you know what research was conducted with that gold? Do you think that it is a fake? Do you have evidence of this? I doubt ..


          the fact that the shliman was a swindler was not I said, but his contemporaries ...

          Quote: Glot
          Believe me, such artifacts do not leave without research. And it doesn’t do without authenticity verification either.


          believe you? you're lying, let's give a link to chemical analysis ...
        2. kalibr
          27 October 2015 15: 52 New
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          The value of such treasures is so great (more than the real cost of hundreds if not thousands of times!) That all measures are taken in case of embezzlement. Everything is photographed, described, measured, a spectral and chemical analysis of ALL subjects is carried out (so that if something is not left a fake), so it’s ridiculous to talk about something ... "so." This state wealth is more valuable than the Topol rocket, where every detail is also described and there is a flow sheet on it. Everything is the same here! Detailed passport for each exhibit. In my Penza museum of local history, I have described all the exhibits, including every city .... And then "Pushkin" and gold! And what!
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 27 October 2015 14: 00 New
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      Quote: Glot
      Learn family lists, those who are now, who were in the 20th, 19th centuries. Be very surprised. I have one


      you look at the lists of academicians from Peter, which is not at all surprising ...
      1. Glot
        Glot 27 October 2015 14: 46 New
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        you look at the lists of academicians from Peter, which is not at all surprising ...


        So what ?
        You do not bother! There above, they wrote that:
        Nowadays, little that changes at the helm of Russian science are mostly non-Russians, mostly Jews

        So I advised you to look at the names of those who in our time, in the past and the century before last, were and are.
        In general, this is all an old, already mossy song about the "Jewish conspiracy", "German census" and other, absolutely unproven crap, boring order. no
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 27 October 2015 17: 08 New
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          http://isaran.ru/?q=ru/persostav&order=3


          http://isaran.ru/?q=ru/persostav&order=3

          look at academicians from Peter and on, there are almost no Russians ...
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  • kalibr
    27 October 2015 14: 50 New
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    So the whole "treasure of Priam" is now in our Pushkin Museum. Come and see, and all the analyzes have been done for a long time ...
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 27 October 2015 15: 09 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      So the whole "treasure of Priam" is now in our Pushkin Museum. Come and see, and all the analyzes have been done for a long time ...


      I don’t believe that the analyzes were done, and it’s pointless to demand a link from you, because you write not by facts, but by your intuition or someone else’s ...
      1. kalibr
        27 October 2015 18: 42 New
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        What is the link? What did Schliemann take out the gold of Troy to Germany, that he had photographed his wife Elena in it, that the Soviet troops had taken him to the USSR, that it was in the Pushkin Museum, that every item had a passport with its detailed description? What is the link? All this? This already smacks of paranoia ... This is the same as demanding a certificate that men in pants have something! As a result, it still turns out that someone has no! And what with each help, why not? But you are interested - write to Pushkin and ask everything that interests you. It will be much more useful and more interesting to you and all who read it! "Demand is not a sin ..."

        I realized - too lazy to write to ask, it's easier to put a minus!
        1. War and Peace
          War and Peace 27 October 2015 19: 11 New
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          Quote: kalibr
          What is the link? What did Schliemann take out the gold of Troy to Germany, that he had photographed his wife Elena in it, that the Soviet troops had taken him to the USSR, that it was in the Pushkin Museum, that every item had a passport with its detailed description? What is the link? All this? This already smacks of paranoia ... This is the same as demanding a certificate that men in pants have something! As a result, it still turns out that someone has no! And what with each help, why not? But you are interested - write to Pushkin and ask everything that interests you. It will be much more useful and more interesting to you and all who read it! "Demand is not a sin ..."


          the conversation thread was completely lost, the conversation was about the chemical analysis of microinclusions in gold, in order to understand what kind of gold, deception or historical thing, for this you need to do an analysis and make a comparison with the talits of gold deposits, is that understandable?
          1. kalibr
            27 October 2015 21: 33 New
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            So this has all been done long ago! Go to the site of the museum. Pushkin and look. There all about the "treasure of Priam" and other treasures. And passports for finds and stock numbers ... And if you are interested in something, ask. “Demand is not a sin,” Pushkin himself wrote. Nobody will bite you off for him ... Questions are welcome!
  • Mairos
    Mairos 27 October 2015 16: 32 New
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    Read Fomenko less. But what can I follow and create a theory of the origin of the Papuans from ancient ukrov? Suddenly someone will believe too? )))
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 28 October 2015 07: 29 New
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      Read Fomenko less.

      Yes, he has already read. Plus, he believes only techies. The rest are lying ... CONSPIRATION!
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  • Spnsr
    Spnsr 27 October 2015 15: 26 New
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    Quote: war and peace
    It would be nice to talk about other interesting points related to the history and culture of this region of the planet. And, in particular, about the Minoan culture, the forerunner of the Achaean war time and about ... the death of the people of the Minoan civilization, because the frescoes and letters about it are silent, although excavations and scientific research have been going on for a very long time.

    we say we didn’t find anything, but mom swear, it is ... laughing
  • bayard
    bayard 28 October 2015 00: 14 New
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    Amazing incompetence of the author in the subject! The Phaistos disc has long been deciphered by the Russian academician Heinrich Grinevich, there is the history of the migration of the Russian-speaking people of the Trotsky from Rysiyunii (their homeland) to Crete, a surprisingly poetic syllable. We type in the search engine "Deciphering the Slavic writing" and enjoy ... it really is a "bomb" and a "great secret" for humanity, but a "civilized" Europe does not want to hear it. But there the history of Europe is described there, we recall the "Abduction of Europe by Zeus", which resulted in the creation of the Crito-Mycenaean civilization. The truth is very inconvenient to the masters of Europe, but from this it does not cease to be true.
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 28 October 2015 07: 45 New
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      there is the history of the relocation of the Russian-speaking people of Lynx from Rysiyuniya


      There are laws of language and writing. Verified. The laws of existence, development, etc.

      There were no Russian-speaking people in those centuries. Even the old Russian language of a millennium is not perceived without preparation. And the "Russian-language" verses - with hieroglyphs? This is ridiculous.

      Wow talk about the "lynxes", "rasenov", etc. - pseudo-patriotic fantasy. What the aforementioned academician suffered from in his old age (Russian amateur decoder. By education - geologist.).
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 28 October 2015 13: 07 New
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    What caused the death of the first European civilization?


    like the second, third and all subsequent civilizations - Greed! insatiable!
  • tanit
    tanit 27 October 2015 06: 42 New
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    Interesting article. But here, personally, I have the concept of “absolutely happy people,” well, it doesn’t even connect with human sacrifices. And the Minoans practiced those. In addition, some (non-British) scholars suspect them of ritual cannibalism (although the evidence is only indirect and partially far-fetched).
    1. vrach
      vrach 27 October 2015 09: 53 New
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      Join you. The Minoan culture is in any case connected with the cultures of other peoples of the sea, the Phoenicians as they knew how to nightmare.
      There are good reasons to believe that we are obliged to such islanders as a form of classical slavery, as the basis of the productive forces characteristic of the Mediterranean region.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 27 October 2015 07: 18 New
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    A good description with good pictures, no more ... The reasons for the death of the Minoan civilization are not disclosed. Alexander Moiseevich Gorodnitsky in his lecture series Atlanta. In Search of Truth ”mentioned the eruption of Santorini volcano as the main reason. A good description of Crete in the book of Ivan Antonovich Efremov "On the edge of the Oikumeny", although it describes a later era.
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 27 October 2015 07: 26 New
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    To begin with, the civilization was Krito-Mykene, i.e. there were two stages in its existence: the Cretan (Minoan) proper with its center in Knossos, and then, after a sudden decline in the 15 century. BC, Mycenaean (Achaean), which existed until about 10. and declined at the end of the 12 century. with the onslaught of the Dorians.
    The reason for the decline of Cretan civilization is considered to be the earthquake that destroyed the Knossos palace, and a huge tsunami wave (there are some doubts due to the limited water basin).
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 27 October 2015 17: 17 New
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      Well, again the poor Dorians were rinsed. The Achaeans (too generic name) were the very destroyers, after which the Dorian shepherds only had to graze the sheep on the ruins. The very “Myths of Ancient Greece” that we feed on from an early age is the epic reflection of Achaean “barbarism”: war, robberies, feuds on the ruins of the Pelasgians / Minoans, and again the war. Lacedaemon / Sparta is more than an eloquent "Achaean" relic. The Achaean invasion of the southern Balkans coincides with the end of the dominance of the "multi-roll ceramics" culture in the Northern Black Sea region (this culture crushed the previous "Log culture of burial mounds" for 200 years). As soon as the Scythians, the heirs of the kimmers, moved from the Don east to conquer the lands of their great-great-grandfathers, the Achaeans and drapanuli in "Greece" - to finish off the remnants of the Minoan culture, warming after the Santorini catastrophe, and other "gifts of Hades", that is, earthquakes. We ran "akh" right up to Igiptu, where these "Peoples of the Sea" were remembered with an unkind word.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 27 October 2015 08: 04 New
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    Typically, the Minoans did not build walls around their cities .. On the island of Santorin during excavations, it was discovered that the houses were equipped with plumbing and sewer ..
  • dvg79
    dvg79 27 October 2015 08: 32 New
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    A good example of the fact that neighbors who have eaten civilization with pleasure will be devoured with giblets.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 27 October 2015 08: 35 New
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    Thank you very much for the article, Svetlana! You conducted your research wonderfully. Amazingly bright colors --- despite the earthquake, the Centuries before the excavation, the rain and wind after, the concrete, the future.
  • Turkir
    Turkir 27 October 2015 08: 57 New
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    ... that Cretan Minoan art is a major art

    Apparently this mysterious phrase for me carries some meaning that everyone understood.
    Someone, discover the secret meaning, please.
    Thanks in advance.
    -------------------
    The chirping of birds is always pleasant.
    1. Lenivets
      Lenivets 27 October 2015 10: 13 New
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      I suppose this term is taken from music and means “bright color of sound” (in this case, art). hi
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 27 October 2015 12: 27 New
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        Thank you for the clarification.
        I have a musical background and I know the difference between major and minor.
        Agree that the correct use of the term "major" in this context would be: Cretan Minoan art bears a major sound and that for people not familiar with musical terms it is incomprehensible. More literate: "Cretan Minoan art is cheerful."
        This is a “newspeak” thanks to which the “major” boys roam the Runet.
        Maybe someone like this colloquial jargon, but in the article it is not applicable.
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        2. Turkir
          Turkir 27 October 2015 13: 34 New
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          And yet, for the attention of experts in the Russian language, how do you explain the meaning of the word "Majordom"? Is it really like a "joyful house" or a "house of joy"? But this term simply means a house manager, house manager.
          The musical term came to music from the concept of “major” as “major, manager”, and “minor” as subordinate, minor, minor.
          These terms, in this sense, are used in the scientific language.
          An example is 18 major stratagems and 18 minor stratagems in Harro von Senger's book "Stratagems, Chinese Art of Living and Surviving."
          The use of established terminology is not in the generally accepted sense leads to funny things. hi
    2. traveler
      traveler 27 October 2015 15: 07 New
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      unfortunately, in a secondary school, music lessons are really “singing lessons,” and you could explain at least some basics to children for general development.
      although what I mean, we are the country of the victorious "chanson", what are the majors and octaves.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 28 October 2015 07: 51 New
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        although what I mean, we are the country of the victorious "chanson", what are the majors and octaves


        Music schools are crowded. Or only in Rostov?
  • Above_name
    Above_name 27 October 2015 09: 07 New
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    Thanks for the article, Svetlana! But ...

    A stone riton with a relief image of agricultural workers with pitchforks and brooms in their hands! (what for ! )

    ..In Crete has never been underground wealth..

    .. The throne of Minos, which is already four thousand years old, can admire forever..

    ..In the girl next to the jug exactly 1 m 70 cm ..

    ..Cretan women .... were fragile ...

    ..But over time, no one even remembered the women of Minoan Crete ..

    Fursenka rubs her hands.
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  • Turkir
    Turkir 27 October 2015 09: 53 New
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    Crito-Minoan civilization has different interpretations, there is no consensus.
    Very interesting opinion S.V. Trusova -
    Etruscan is not Indo-European. According to most scholars, the Etruscans came to Etruria at the end of the 2nd millennium BC. (around the 13th century BC) from the Aegean region and Asia Minor. But we know that at that time Imenets and Tremens (Minoans, Trojans and their Indo-European allies, carriers of the haplogroup R1b) were expelled from the Eastern Mediterranean by the ancestors of the Greeks. Therefore, in my opinion, the name of this people comes from admirers of the Tour, and the Etruscan language is Imeni (Minoan). It was this people that was recorded as "Tursha" or "Turusha" in the Egyptian monuments of the reign of Ramses II, who ruled in 1289 - 1222 BC. e. (4). Among the Greeks, this name took the form of Tyrren (Τυρσ - ηνοί, Τυρρήνοί). Therefore, the sea, on the banks of which the Etruscans lived in antiquity, is still called Tyrrhenian. In Latin, the root Turs gave the formation of Turscus and with the additional syllable E-and with a permutation - E-trus-cus, where the word Etruria came from. Let me remind you that the Imenians of Crete worshiped the Minoan bull - Tur. It is possible that the name Troy (Turoi) came from the “bull”.

    I will also say that both Etruscan and Tartessians fled to the west from the Greeks not for empty places. Archaeologists note on this territory numerous finds dating from 3-2 millennium BC, having a direct connection with the Minoan civilization.
    1. andrei.yandex
      andrei.yandex 27 October 2015 12: 23 New
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      Etruscan has long been read! Chiampi S., Chertkov A.D. and Volanskiy F.
      http://www.kramola.info/vesti/letopisi-proshlogo/jetrusskoe-davno-prochitano
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 28 October 2015 07: 57 New
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        Etruscan has long been read!


        I remember, at one time, one French lieutenant translated all Egyptian hieroglyphs "in one sleepless night, using the Bordeaux box" ...

        What I wrote a book about.
    2. traveler
      traveler 27 October 2015 15: 21 New
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      Well, Etruscan-Minoan communication is a big question. it seems that the Etruscans themselves linked their appearance on the Apennines with the outcome from Asia Minor (Aeneas).
      it is hard to say how much the legends were true.
      Unfortunately, science does not know the languages ​​of the Etruscans, Minoans, Pelasgians, Dardans and other Doellins.
      there are many theories and nothing that could be said for sure.
      and the mass of near-Etruscan delirium (typically atоRussianf)
    3. andrew42
      andrew42 27 October 2015 17: 29 New
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      What a pearl! "Etruscan is not Indo-European." But nothing that the self-name of this people was "Rasena"? And is it that Etruscans essentially nurtured the culture of Rome, a small settlement of pugnacious shepherds on the swampy banks of the Tiber? And nothing that the Etruscan kings, Tarquinia ruled Rome? And is there anything that even Roman Roman in the form that has come down to us that has evolved many times, has a lot of common roots, even with modern Russian? Yeah, business.
      1. traveler
        traveler 27 October 2015 22: 21 New
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        "race". and how does this prove Indo-European?
        And nothing that the Etruscans essentially nurtured the culture of Rome

        nothing, the Sumerians nurtured an Akkad culture. it does not make them Semites.
        Roman Latin in the form that has come down to us, which has repeatedly evolved, has a lot of common roots, even with modern Russian

        Well, Latin and Russian are just from the Indo-European languages, and this is beyond doubt. satem-kentum this is all the same, the roots are one.
  • Ruspartizan
    Ruspartizan 27 October 2015 09: 59 New
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    The article is interesting and informative. Unfortunately, he shares the Western point of view that the established historical “scientific” paradigm cannot be influenced from outside. Attempts to decipher the Phaistos disc were a great many. Even Academician John Chadwick, an experienced decoder, could not read it. He once said: “The decoding of this inscription remains beyond our capabilities.” And supposedly everything. The point is set. However, April 23, 1983 Grinevich Gennady Stanislavovich - Russian linguist-researcher, linguist, decoder, senior researcher at the World History Department of the Russian Physical Society (Moscow), with unusual excitement and uplift, as he himself says, one night revealed the secret of the century - read mysterious letters to Phaistos disc using ancient Slavic linguistics.
    1. tanit
      tanit 27 October 2015 10: 40 New
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      wassat Oh ... Grinevich ... Is this the one who is a geologist by education? Rysichi from Crete - his find? wassat
      Grinevich even Rodnovers (!!!) and Veles (!!!!) recognized as if softer ... "not quite adequate." hi
      1. Glot
        Glot 27 October 2015 10: 53 New
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        Oh ... Grinevich ... Is this the one who is a geologist by education? Rysichi from Crete - his find?
        Grinevich even Rodnovers (!!!) and Veles (!!!!) recognized as if softer ... "not quite adequate."


        Yeah, he is the most.
        There is also worse. I read one, like the Chudins, or even some, so Slavic inscriptions everywhere seemed to be everywhere. On all artifacts, any civilizations of the past. laughing
        Wonderful people, to say the least. laughing
        1. tanit
          tanit 27 October 2015 11: 09 New
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          Corkodil - "cortical dil" - "horse in the crust." (crocodile translated by Chudinov)laughing
          1. venaya
            venaya 27 October 2015 12: 20 New
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            Quote: tanit
            Corkodil - "cortical dil" - "horse in the crust." (crocodile translated by Chudinov)

            "Korkodil" is probably an animal resembling a horse in size, but having a heavily coarsened almost skin integument, representing itself nothing more than a "crust." Interestingly, but on your account, such an assumption is impossible?
            1. marline
              marline 27 October 2015 12: 48 New
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              Quote: venaya
              "Korkodil" is probably an animal resembling a horse in size, but having a heavily coarsened almost skin integument, representing itself nothing more than a "crust." Interestingly, but on your account, such an assumption is impossible?

              Gracious sovereign, please, in Russian, clearly and clearly explain what you had in mind, otherwise the gram-Nazi, after reading your opus, are terribly indignant.
              1. venaya
                venaya 27 October 2015 13: 08 New
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                Quote: merlin
                Gracious sovereign, please, in Russian, clearly and clearly explain what you had in mind, otherwise the gram-Nazi, after reading your opus, are terribly indignant.

                I must note that the famous A. Hitler was also very indignant, after that he calmed down when German archaeologists found only objects of exclusively "Slavic" origin in the Berlin area. Do you remember how he finished? I hope that something similar happens with your “grammar-nazi”. Nazism fight !!!
                1. marline
                  marline 27 October 2015 13: 11 New
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                  Quote: venaya
                  Quote: merlin
                  Gracious sovereign, please, in Russian, clearly and clearly explain what you had in mind, otherwise the gram-Nazi, after reading your opus, are terribly indignant.

                  I must note that the famous A. Hitler was also very indignant, after that he calmed down when German archaeologists found only objects of exclusively "Slavic" origin in the Berlin area. Do you remember how he finished? I hope that something similar happens with your “grammar-nazi”. Nazism fight !!!

                  Grammar-Nazi (English grammar Nazi, where English grammar is grammar and German nazi is Nazi) is an Internet meme, the ironic name and self-name of Internet communities that are extremely pedantic towards literacy issues.
                  What are you talking about?
                  1. venaya
                    venaya 27 October 2015 13: 38 New
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                    Quote: merlin
                    What are you talking about?

                    I generally, about the Nazi trends! We got nowhere else to go. I’m traveling to western countries, I see frankly Russian people, for the most part, scientific institutes in all countries report that most of the so-called “Europe” (the African, that is, the Phoenicians brought in the acupuncture term) is populated by people with the genetic code AR1B1! And nothing, everyone has enough conscience call white black, and anyone who does not agree with this, name-calling any unworthy words. By the way, "grammar Nazi" is written in Latin alphabet, which was given to the aliens by the Etruscans. Somehow here it’s direct according to the proverb “Pig to the table, she and her legs to the table”.
                    1. marline
                      marline 27 October 2015 14: 16 New
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                      Quote: venaya
                      research institutes in all countries report that most of Europe is populated by people with the genetic code AR1B1

                      Wildly sorry, what kind of genetic code is AR1B1? As if the haplogroups on A denote Africans, and after the letter they usually write a number ...
                      And yes, in Western Europe, the most common haplogroup is R1b1, in eastern (Slavs) R1a1. Do you know which people have the most common haplogroup R1a1?
                      1. venaya
                        venaya 27 October 2015 14: 43 New
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                        Quote: merlin
                        In Western Europe, the most common haplogroup R1b1, in eastern (Slavs) R1a1. Do you know which people have the most common haplogroup R1a1?

                        According to the information that is available to me, the haplogroup R1a1 is most common among the inhabitants of present northern Germany, once called Porusia (someone calls Prussia, but this is a Germanized distortion of the original sound of the word), there are up to 90% of them, in the RF about 70%, this throughout the Russian Federation. In Scandinavia, even more is possible, according to personal feelings. And the haplogroup R1b1 is sometimes called "Celtic", these fresh newcomers, from the Middle East, appeared here recently about 2000 years ago, they are not autochthonous. It is noteworthy Belgium, the country with the largest nat. problems, where half R1b1, and the second half R1a1, I am familiar with representatives of R1a1, there is no difference with Russians. I can say the same about the Swiss, after a personal acquaintance.
                      2. abrakadabre
                        abrakadabre 27 October 2015 15: 33 New
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                        someone calls Prussia, but this is a Germanic distortion of the original sound of the word
                        Immediately, quickly, the source, where did it come from? How do you know the correct pronunciation of the original name?
                        And the haplogroup R1b1 is sometimes called "Celtic", these fresh newcomers, from the Middle East, appeared here recently about 2000 years ago, they are not autochthonous.
                        Horseradish yourself fresh! Fresh, my friend, this is now in Europe from the Middle East, allegedly from Syria. And 2000 years is far from fresh. Of these considerations, autochthonous are archeopteryx from the shale quarry in Germany. And everything younger is fresh come in large numbers.
                      3. marline
                        marline 27 October 2015 16: 04 New
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                        So yes, R1b1 (possibly the Celts) came to Europe 7500 years ago, and yet you are also right, because they can be considered the autochthonous population of Europe ... however, they’re never once Indo-Europeans. Perhaps from Egypt, maybe from the Caucasus.
                      4. venaya
                        venaya 27 October 2015 18: 06 New
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                        Quote: abrakadabre
                        Immediately, quickly, the source, where did it come from? How do you know the correct pronunciation of the original name?

                        Immediately: The bilingual coat of arms of Prussia, whose inhabitants were completely forbidden to speak the dialect of the Western Russian language only in the 1914th year. In addition, maps of Porussia about 1500 years old have been built up, if you are interested, you can search. I remind you, according to our calender, the 7524th summer is now. Who does not agree with this? Quickly, quickly confess.
                      5. Aljavad
                        Aljavad 28 October 2015 08: 08 New
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                        West Russian


                        It never happened.

                        Sorbsky was. Other West Slavic.
                      6. venaya
                        venaya 29 October 2015 04: 55 New
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                        Quote: Aljavad
                        West Russian
                        It never happened.
                        Sorbsky was. Other West Slavic.

                        Open such serious knowledge, what were you then? The term Serbia has been recently revealed, there couldn’t be such a language, the ancient name of this region is “Raska” (Little Russia), and naturally there was a dialect of the Russian language, naturally, if in the West, then in the West. As for the "West Slavic" poisons, so specify when exactly the term "Slavs" appeared, in the absence of this term and language this could not have appeared.
                      7. marline
                        marline 30 October 2015 09: 38 New
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                        Quote: venaya
                        Quote: Aljavad
                        West Russian
                        It never happened.
                        Sorbsky was. Other West Slavic.

                        Open such serious knowledge, what were you then?

                        Aljavad showed you research data, you can verify this by spending 5-10 minutes searching the Internet. But otkel you have such serious knowledge, what were you then?
                        You, for example, know that the ethnonym "Rus (Rus)" appeared much later than the ethnonym "Slavs", can be traced, approximately, from the XNUMXth century.
                        As for sorbes, for example, in the Brockhaus and Efron encyclopedic dictionary:
                        Sorben (Sorben) - the German form of the name of the Slavic tribe of Serbs - Luzhans, who themselves in the Upper and Lower Luzic (Luz) are called Serbs (Serbjo, Serbja). Previously, all the Slavic peoples who lived between Oder and the Elbe were called so (see Polab Slavs), but with more thoroughness this name can be applied to the current puddles (the Germans also have Wenden) and their former western neighbors to r. Zaal and Unstrut.

                        You have other data, so share the links, discuss.
              2. marline
                marline 27 October 2015 15: 49 New
                +3
                I will probably disappoint you, but Kyrgyz 63%, among Russians - 50%. Luzhchans (Germany, Saxony) have 63%, but in the north everything is sad: 23% in Iceland, 18-19% in Sweden and approx. 27% in Norway ... such things ...
              3. andrew42
                andrew42 27 October 2015 17: 39 New
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                Well, about the Celts from the Middle East, it’s you who got excited. All the same, R1a1 and R1b1 from one root - R1. And the "road" from Asia to "Europe" in the 3-4 millennium BC there was only one - across the steppes of the Northern Black Sea coast. And about the "Celtic" R1b1 and "Aryan" R1a1 - yes, but it’s ridiculous to deny kinship. Hedgehog is understandable, the matter is in different waves of European settlement.
              4. marline
                marline 27 October 2015 18: 25 New
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                Quote: andrew42
                Well, about the Celts from the Middle East, it’s you who got excited. All the same, R1a1 and R1b1 from one root - R1.

                I’m afraid that I’m not a geneticist and I can’t get excited with this, in principle, geneticists say that resettlement comes from Anatolia and the Caucasus ... As they say: for what I bought, for that I sold.
              5. Aljavad
                Aljavad 28 October 2015 08: 11 New
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                And the "road" from Asia to "Europe" in the 3-4 millennium BC there was only one - across the steppes


                But they broke through the Bosphorus.
          2. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 27 October 2015 14: 45 New
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            What do you ask your opponent such difficult questions? The man read in the “tyrnets” the names of two haplogroups and a couple of thoughts on this subject. And you here demand horizons almost genetics.
  • traveler
    traveler 27 October 2015 15: 27 New
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    I had a teacher in Russian and literature at the school, she called “athlete” as an example of a compound word - they say it is formed from “sports shift”. I was funny in my 10-11 years old.
    and some already gray-haired men suffer the same garbage - the notorious satirist of zadorn, for example.
    1. War and Peace
      War and Peace 27 October 2015 16: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: traveler
      I had a teacher in Russian and literature at the school, she called “athlete” as an example of a compound word - they say it is formed from “sports shift”. I was funny in my 10-11 years old.
      and some already gray-haired men suffer the same garbage - the notorious satirist of zadorn, for example.


      in general, the word SPORTSMAN is English, but the roots are French, and etymology is the origin, as usual mud-mind.

      Sport

      sport kind. p. From English srrt - abbreviations of the original. disport "entertainment, fun", disport "entertain, amuse, frolic", cf. disporten - the same from St. Franc. desporter, literally "relate, distract (from work)"; see Holthausen 61; Chambers 484. The etymological dictionary of the Russian language. - M .: Progress M.R.Fasmer 1964-1973


      Well, the etymology of the word DISPORT? but not her ...
      I offer another explanation
      SPORTS- DISPUTES (Russian) let's argue that I’ll make you on this road back and forth, let's argue
      1. venaya
        venaya 27 October 2015 18: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: war and peace
        and etymology is the origin, as usual mud-mind.

        To easily get rid of all this turbidity, you just need to read the classics, the book of the President of AN RI A.S. Shishkov "Korneslov", after which all this turbidity flies like dust. I am surprised 99% of those here who do not consider it necessary to turn to the fundamental classical works. They invent something, invent something, but to turn to specialists of the corresponding profile - neither, nor. Indeed - some kind of conspiracy of illiteracy.
  • marline
    marline 27 October 2015 11: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Glot
    There is also worse. I read one, like the Chudins, or even some, so Slavic inscriptions everywhere seemed to be everywhere. On all artifacts, any civilizations of the past. laughing
    Wonderful people, to say the least. laughing

    There is one ... Once he was given an enlarged photo of the priests of an elephant ... So he saw Slavic letters in Cyrillic there too ... laughing
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 28 October 2015 08: 02 New
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    Slavic inscriptions everywhere seemed.

    ... and all - from three letters ???
    1. marline
      marline 28 October 2015 08: 39 New
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      Quote: Aljavad
      Slavic inscriptions everywhere seemed.

      ... and all - from three letters ???

      No, the fact of the matter is that to make out three letters is not a problem at all, especially after wheat juice ... He sees much more, even whole poems, even in the sun and stucco, such a "unique" person.
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  • andrew42
    andrew42 27 October 2015 17: 32 New
    +1
    Here I am about the same. It is very suspicious that it is "not readable" precisely along the line of "Minoans - Troy - Etruscans." This is reminiscent of the spell "Bashar al-Assad must go."
  • Aljavad
    Aljavad 28 October 2015 08: 02 New
    0
    Grinevich Gennady Stanislavovich - Russian linguist-researcher, linguist, decoder,


    He is a geologist. I got carried away with decryptions in my old age. Tipo: we, academicians, everything is possible.
  • tanit
    tanit 27 October 2015 12: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: venaya
    Quote: tanit
    Corkodil - "cortical dil" - "horse in the crust." (crocodile translated by Chudinov)

    "Korkodil" is probably an animal resembling a horse in size, but having a heavily coarsened almost skin integument, representing itself nothing more than a "crust." Interestingly, but on your account, such an assumption is impossible?

    Have you seen a crocodile? wink Strongly reminds a horse? laughing And - yes, in my opinion, such an assumption - it is possible, but only in sooooo wild imagination. hi
    1. venaya
      venaya 27 October 2015 12: 44 New
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      Quote: tanit
      Have you seen a crocodile? Strongly reminds a horse? And - yes, in my opinion, such an assumption - it is possible, but only in sooooo wild imagination.

      And what do you think that science can be moved without imagination? Something I doubt it. Have you ever read criticism of such "luminaries" as I. Newton or A. Einstein, so there is a full priest there. Their "exuberant imagination" is so great that the book of I. Nton has not been reprinted for 300 years. And how much did you manage to read the original books of A.Etsheyna? Tell me, do not be shy, otherwise everyone believes that science is a pure occupation. Naive.
      1. tanit
        tanit 27 October 2015 13: 02 New
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        I read Chudinov ... wassat .. But I. Newton, no, alas. But I have a counter question, if his book has not been reprinted for 300 years (!!!!), then ... hmm, where and when, and in what language did you read it? belay
      2. marline
        marline 27 October 2015 13: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: venaya
        Have you ever read criticism of such "luminaries" as I. Newton or A. Einstein, so there is a full priest there. Their "exuberant imagination" is so great that the book of I. Nton has not been reprinted for 300 years.

        300 years do not publish? Google, we get the result: Isaac Newton. Mathematical principles of natural philosophy. Translation from Latin and notes by A. N. Krylov. M .: Nauka, 1989. 688 pp. ISBN 5-02-000747-1. Series: Classics of Science.
        An example of "wild imagination" by I. Newton:
        The student, like any other system, strives to take the position with the least action

        Perhaps I agree, this analogy is really incomprehensible to 95% of the population of our planet.
        Quote: venaya
        And how much did you manage to read the original books of A.Etsheyna?

        I didn’t read it, I don’t know this. As for A. Einstein, then STO and GRT, in general, few people understand.
        1. venaya
          venaya 27 October 2015 13: 56 New
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          Quote: merlin
          Isaac Newton. Mathematical principles of natural philosophy. Translation from Latin and notes by A. N. Krylov. M .: Nauka, 1989.

          That's how, he also did not know how to write in English. It's funny Apparently, therefore, it was not reprinted in the original, though the translation into Russian really was, in the 30s, only the total book turned out to be 2 times thicker. What did the translator have to invent, smooth, lead to a readable version so that it would not be possible to get to any place, but simply survive in these difficult conditions today. So no one has denied that the original of I. Nton’s book is nothing more than a bomb on all such “science”, naturally I mean only what is being unlawfully promoted. To appreciate the scientific "authority" it is absolutely necessary to at least get acquainted with the originals of his works, without translation. About "As for A. Einstein, then STO and GRT, in general, few people understand"so you look for at least one honest person who really understands. I warn you: I read it myself, so any bullshit will not work with me.
          1. marline
            marline 27 October 2015 14: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: venaya
            To appreciate the scientific "authority" it is absolutely necessary to at least get acquainted with the originals of his works, without translation.

            Do you speak Latin?
            Quote: venaya
            About "As for A. Einstein, then STO and GRT, in general, few people understand"so you look for at least one honest person who really understands. I warn you: I read it myself, so any bullshit will not work with me.

            There’s even nothing to comment on ... There are doubts that you read Einstein in the original. And let me ask a question: for what purpose did you read it?
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 27 October 2015 14: 55 New
              +2
              I have doubts in this case about the physics course for high school, not just SRT and GRT. Such pearls are issued ...
            2. venaya
              venaya 27 October 2015 14: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: merlin
              There are doubts that you read Einstein in the original. And let me ask a question: for what purpose did you read it?

              Everything about physics makes me truly awestruck. If it is lucky to read the originals (I came across the editions of 1921), few people will allow themselves to miss this, even from those present here. Here is such a one, with the nickname “Professor”, already with a character’s photo, so everything pushes me to ask him a question: did he read Einstein himself in the original, and if he did, then let him share links to the originals of his works. I hope to be supported in my noble endeavor.
              1. abrakadabre
                abrakadabre 27 October 2015 15: 47 New
                +1
                With such a respectful and reverent attitude towards the works of Einstein, it will not be difficult for you to quote any of it ... In the original language. It is possible with the date of publication and publishing. For example, from his works on thermodynamics ... Or on statistical physics ... Or, okay, from the SRT ... I agree to the mathematical calculations. After all, the song is not it?
                As for the truly original STO and GRT ... it is unlikely that you ever had or will have access to copyright manuscripts of the turn of the 19th-20th centuries, for "read in the original."
                1. venaya
                  venaya 27 October 2015 16: 16 New
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                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  As for the truly original STO and GRT ... it is unlikely that you ever had or will have access to copyright manuscripts from the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries

                  As for the manuscripts, I completely agree with you, I did not have such an opportunity. Once I met a man who also read the works of Einstein himself, it was the specifics of his work, so you know, he did not tell me anything new about Einstein. His collection contains only correspondence with which I am already familiar, nothing "really applies to the original service station and general relativity“there’s no trace at all and it’s not worth looking for, everything else was conceived by completely different, unknown authors. In general, as usual, there is a similar story with I. Nton, the laws that teach us were written not by him, but by later interpreters. The only question is who exactly needed to hang noodles on the ears of gullible citizens.
              2. marline
                marline 27 October 2015 21: 02 New
                -1
                Quote: venaya
                Everything about physics makes me truly awestruck. Here is such a one, with the nickname “Professor”, already with a character’s photo, so everything pushes me to ask him a question: did he read Einstein himself in the original, and if he did, then let him share links to the originals of his works. I hope to be supported in my noble endeavor.

                You see, what’s the matter ... how would your desire be certainly laudable, but scientific work in physics is still not a lady’s novel, just to be read to kill time ... I would like to understand, well, at least the basics ... maybe you It’s worth starting with Maxwell’s works, then moving smoothly to Lorenz and, so to speak, fixing Einstein’s SRT, just like advice ... It’s advisable to also study, previously, the mathematical analysis well, at least according to Fichtenholtz, and it seems that Newton’s beginnings didn’t cause a response in your soul ... In general, would you not be engaged in garbage, and would read a book from a section on physics popular science, in SRT and GRT there is a very good Kip Thorne “Black holes and folds of time. Einstein’s Bold Legacy ”... A very decent book, I must tell you
                1. venaya
                  venaya 28 October 2015 01: 15 New
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                  Quote: merlin
                  You wouldn’t do garbage, and would read a book ... popular science

                  Here, "popular science" - be simpler, write right away: "For Dummies", others will understand. As far as I understand you, you are a deeply religious person, therefore, you are able to believe in any ... You, in fact, frankly do not give a damn about the problems of both science and technology, therefore, you are able to advise others without taking any responsibility, which is little surprising. If you are interested in this topic, then I will try to recall some facts. Throughout the entire period of work on the Manhattan program, A. Einstein was not involved in this program for a single day. On the other hand, there was such a physicist Kurchatov, he was engaged in radiation since 1918, and so, his teacher corresponded with Einstein, and I read this correspondence. Still, if you have a desire to really deepen your knowledge, then you should start by studying the "not popular" physicist-philosopher Poincare and his book "Science and Method". By the way, if you do not know this, then both Einstein and his followers managed to steal from Poincare all his basic ideas, without forgetting, at the same time slander, slander him and, in addition, confuse everyone. Recently, another representative of our science, prof. Denisov, one of the followers of Kurchatov and his teachers. Perhaps you didn’t know anything? But that did not stop you from “teaching” others. Think about how you can relate to you after that.
                  1. marline
                    marline 28 October 2015 08: 50 New
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                    Quote: venaya
                    Here, "popular science" - be simpler, write right away: "For Dummies", others will understand.

                    Exactly, for such "dummies" like you ... Stop raving, you have no idea what anyone has stolen from and when, and you have no idea what Newton and Einstein are called geniuses.
                    Manhattan Project? - What kind of heresy is it, as a fact for you - Albert received the Nobel Prize for the photoelectric effect discovered by Beckerel, and described by Stoletov, and all physicists knew perfectly well then, they know perfectly well now and call Albert a genius - why? If you understand physics like a pig in oranges, you should not show it to everyone.
          2. War and Peace
            War and Peace 27 October 2015 14: 20 New
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            Quote: venaya
            Quote: merlin
            Isaac Newton. Mathematical principles of natural philosophy. Translation from Latin and notes by A. N. Krylov. M .: Nauka, 1989.

            That's how, he also did not know how to write in English. It's funny Apparently, therefore, it was not reprinted in the original, though the translation into Russian really was, in the 30s, only the total book turned out to be 2 times thicker. What did the translator have to invent, smooth, lead to a readable version so that it would not be possible to get to any place, but simply survive in these difficult conditions today. So no one has denied that the original of I. Nton’s book is nothing more than a bomb on all such “science”, naturally I mean only what is being unlawfully promoted. To appreciate the scientific "authority" it is absolutely necessary to at least get acquainted with the originals of his works, without translation. About "As for A. Einstein, then STO and GRT, in general, few people understand"so you look for at least one honest person who really understands. I warn you: I read it myself, so any bullshit will not work with me.


            Newton, Isaac (January 4, 1643, Woolsthorpe - March 31, 1727, Kensington) - an English scientist and statesman. Discoverer of the law of gravity, one of the creators of mathematical analysis. Critic of traditional chronology I. Scaliger and D. Petavius
            "... I was convinced that either nothing new should be reported, or it would be necessary to spend all my efforts to defend my discovery." I. Newton - G. Oldenburg, 1676

            http://chronology.org.ru/newwiki/Ньютон%2C_Исаак
            1. venaya
              venaya 27 October 2015 18: 29 New
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              Quote: war and peace
              ... Newton, Isaac - an English scientist and statesman. Discoverer of the law of gravity, one of the creators of mathematical analysis. ...

              "one of the creators“- Exactly,“ one of ”- I’ll ask you to“ announce the entire list ”, otherwise, as it turns out, the Grand Master of the Order ... and the rest have nothing to do with it. There are a lot of examples of such bias in“ historical science ”. About "Discoverer"- the question is more than controversial, and before it all this was opened, repeatedly. Interestingly, read it, my book has already been stolen, again we need to look.
          3. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 27 October 2015 14: 49 New
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            Isaac Newton. Mathematical principles of natural philosophy. Translation from Latin and notes by A. N. Krylov. M .: Nauka, 1989.
            That's how, he also did not know how to write in English. It's funny
            Rare belay fool It seems that you have not mastered the school. Visited, sat, but not mastered. The answer to your question in a high school course is given.
            1. marline
              marline 27 October 2015 20: 50 New
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              Quote: abrakadabre
              It seems that you have not mastered the school. Visited, sat, but not mastered. The answer to your question in a high school course is given.

              No, he’s just still learning ... a schoolboy ...
              Pay attention, just now, I was poking fun at him with the etymology of words, so today he was not too lazy to look in the reference book for the etymology of the word sport, it’s not completely true, but progress on the face ... a young man is learning ... and, in fact, he guessed interestingly, "Sport" and "argument" really have a common Indo-European root ... although in fairness: for us, the Slavs, it was called "fun."
              1. venaya
                venaya 28 October 2015 02: 04 New
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                Quote: merlin
                ... "sport" and "argument" really have a common Indo-European root ... although in fairness: for us, the Slavs, it was called "fun."

                Please tell me: when the "Slavs" appeared, otherwise Solovyov in his program claimed that no one had heard of the Slavs 1500 years ago, unfortunately, in this case, I completely agree with Solovyov. The "Indo-European" language, as I understand it, is some kind of foreign Western Fenya, the founder of the theory of the origin of languages ​​A.S. Shishkov, called all this "ancient Russian language." Does anyone disagree with this? I’ve heard the term “Slavic language” here, until I understand what it means and where people get it all from.
                1. marline
                  marline 28 October 2015 09: 29 New
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                  Quote: venaya
                  Tell me please: when the "Slavs" appeared

                  The Slavs are clearly identified from the VI century, i.e. somewhere just 1500 years ago wink one must understand that these Slavs are an ethnolinguistic community.
                  Quote: venaya
                  "Indo-European" language, as I understand it, is some kind of foreign western Fenya

                  Before WWII, the Indo-European language was called Aryan, i.e. the language of the ancient Aryans, from which the languages ​​spoken is spoken by a large part of the modern population of the earth, now speak Mauveton ... In general, the term appeared in the early 19th century.
                  Quote: venaya
                  the founder of the theory of the origin of languages, A.S. Shishkov, called all this "ancient Russian language."

                  YES, this is another authority ...
                  Quote: venaya
                  Does anyone disagree with this?

                  Like the whole scientific world, is this not enough for you?
                  Quote: venaya
                  I’ve heard a term like “Slavic language” here, until I understand what it means and where people get it all from.

                  Well, of course, this is not true, it will be right - the Proto-Slavic language
  • 31rus
    31rus 27 October 2015 12: 46 New
    +2
    Thank you for the interesting material, I think at that time a separate "paradise" could exist, but the question is why and if there are axes, then something or someone was still chopped up and then a single major may turn out to be a "sea of ​​blood" and minor, for those who are not like that (at least in the form of government or development)
  • Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 27 October 2015 12: 50 New
    +3
    The lack of fortifications does not mean their peacefulness! These "good" people were actually terrible sea robbers! They did not hope for the walls of the fortresses, so they did not intend to defend themselves, but for their huge (at that time) fleet! The raids of their ships were terrifying, including on the coast of Greece, it was not for nothing that the legends remembered the Minotaur, which brought human casualties, and only, the eruption of Santorini volcano interrupted the existence of this pirate power!
    1. traveler
      traveler 27 October 2015 15: 34 New
      +2
      whoever is afraid builds towers
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 27 October 2015 17: 42 New
      0
      The Achaean “chieftains”, like Agamemnon and Menelaus, were terrible robbers. Sew the case to those who cannot defend their name. Not good.
  • Gorinich
    Gorinich 27 October 2015 13: 21 New
    +1
    On the Phaistos disc, in theory, two central symbols are the Sun and water. For the island, this is logical ...
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 October 2015 18: 55 New
    +2
    It is considered nevertheless that the cause of the death of the great Cretan Minoan culture
    became a devastating earthquake. What has been built for centuries
    destroyed in a few minutes. Grain stocks die without jugs
    for storage. And it takes time to make new kubshins. Hunger.
    Is this explanation not enough?
    The article is very good.
  • stalker 75
    stalker 75 28 October 2015 06: 04 New
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    great article