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What China is silent. Should I count on a "second front"?

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In the evenings different thoughts come to mind. Especially if you read, for example, the following: “The autumn wind. As of old, the wind howls. But everything was different in the world. ” Or: “I fill a glass, pour wine into the river. Waves of feelings rise in my heart. ”

The poems themselves are average. The phrase “pouring wine into the river” is especially cynical, but, on the other hand, it becomes clear - the person who wrote is not Russian. Transfer. Which language exactly? From Chinese. Well this is Mao Zedong!

Yes, for a long time did not remember about him. Meanwhile, some of his thoughts sound very fresh. For example:

"... Political power emanates from the barrel of a rifle."

“... After the victory in World War II, American imperialism, along with its henchmen in various countries, replaced the fascist Germany, Italy and Japan and frantically prepared a new world war, threatening the whole world. This reflects the extreme decay of the capitalist world and its fear of the approaching doom ... This enemy has a weak basis, disintegration occurs in its camp, it is cut off from the people, and he cannot get rid of the economic crisis, therefore, he can be defeated. ”

“... American imperialism seems to be a colossus, but in fact it is a paper tiger and makes death attempts. The day will certainly come when the American reactionaries will find that all the peoples of the world are against them. ”

"... All that the enemy fights against, we must support, and against all that the enemy supports, we must fight."

What China is silent. Should I count on a "second front"?


Looking forward. By the way, isn't it time to republish the sample from the quote book + Mao's verses as a separate volume? This is a question for publishing marketers.

But the other is more relevant - how are today's compatriots of Mao react to the position of Russia and the events of the anti-terrorist operation in Syria? In the sense of participation in the anti-Igilov coalition. After all, every day, from various sources, there are reports that China either began to provide support to Russia in Syria, or is about to begin.

Thus, the Voice of Beirut radio station, referring to high-ranking officials in the Hezbollah group, reported on the upcoming transfer of soldiers from the People’s Liberation Army of the PRC to the Middle East. Turkish newspapers publish large condemning articles in the sense that China’s participation in the military operation only exacerbates the chaos (“just don’t do it !!!”). They note that the Syrians in the demonstration in support of President Bashar Assad expressed their gratitude not only to Russia, but also to China. They write about the possibility of intervention as an event almost ...

Meanwhile, not a single fact of Chinese participation in the military operation was confirmed.

The message about the Chinese aircraft carrier "Liaoning-CV-16", which allegedly arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus, accompanied by a missile cruiser, turned out to be a fake. The “information from Israeli intelligence” about the appearance in Syria of a Chinese squadron invisible to radar fighter-bomber J-15 “Flying Shark”, as well as helicopters “Z-18F” to fight with submarines (whose? Not Igilovsky! ) and Z-18J helicopters - flying early warning systems (from whom?). About 1000 Chinese marines is also nonsense. But the press is swallowing everything properly ...

We will try, basing on different sources, to clarify the situation a bit. Interesting opinions and analysts, and the reaction in social networks. For example, Chinese. In China, almost half of the population (more than half a billion) use them constantly. This is Sina Weibo - the Chinese version of Twitter, Renren - “Chinese Facebook”, Douban, Wechat, etc. It is difficult to imagine, but users of China’s social networks are preoccupied with terrorism and ISIS even more than Russian networks. Therefore, Putin for them today is a hero.

The fact is that terrorism has already come to the streets of Beijing. Terrorist attacks occur periodically in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China, Muslim. But in the information policy, Beijing adheres to the principle of keeping silent about such crimes or even distorts events in the direction of “smoothing”. In and of itself, this seems to be quite good: it significantly reduces the “damaging force” of the terrorist attacks, the most important component of which is the “wave” in the mass consciousness. Yes, no matter how you feel about this, social tensions are declining, but this approach steadily gives rise to rumors - it creates the impression that the authorities are constantly holding back.

But the discussion of the problems of terrorism is full of social networks. That is why the antiterrorist part of Putin’s speech at the UN about ISIL received a huge response in Chinese networks. It is customary to speak cautiously on the Internet sites there, but the Chinese, comparing Vladimir Putin’s speech with Xi Jinping’s speech, put Putin much higher. They note that Xi Jinping’s speech concerned the use of natural resources and finances, while Putin spoke about terrorism, which particularly worries the Chinese, about what specifically needs to be done with ISIL. The Chinese, as Putin said, were very diplomatic and hard. In the Chinese networks they write that they would like the same determination from their leadership.

Some believe that China did not show itself in the fight against LIH and expressed hope that it was caused by Xi Jinping’s statement that a quick-response peacekeeping contingent of 8000 people was forming in China. “What contingent?” - Internet users are wondering. It is not clear what he will react to, what goals to decide and where to base, for China itself, where there are armed forces and militia, does not need such a formation. There are versions that it is about the deployment of forces like the UN "blue helmets" for joint operations with Russia. "It is possible that a decision has already been made on joint efforts to suppress ISIS." Although there was no official meeting between Putin and Xi Jinping at the UN, it is speculated at the forums that such meetings were still, only secret, and they are probably related to China’s preparations for military operations in the Middle East.

Regarding the Russian operation in Syria, well-known Chinese analysts speak out. Thus, political analyst Feng Yujun in the Chinese edition of the Global Times writes that in one move Russia gains many victories. Do not assume that the goals of Moscow are simple, the author says, it’s not just a blow to terrorists or an ally’s support, Russia simultaneously solves the problem of oil prices, becomes stronger in the Middle East and compensates for mistakes made in Ukraine. By strengthening its bases in Tartus and Latakia, Russia is protecting the passage from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean. In addition, these bases create a serious counterbalance to NATO forces.

But the Kremlin’s plans are not limited to this. According to the Chinese expert, the United States is now leaving the Middle East region and is focusing its attention on the Asia-Pacific, building up pressure on China. As a result, a vacuum has developed in the countries of the Arab world, which has not existed since the end of the Cold War. Russia seized the moment to take an empty place with its high-tech armed machine, restore its influence in the region, and also approve the “Russian great-power self-esteem” that the country and the people so need.

The very fact that, by this operation, Russia “wiped the nose” of the United States and NATO, according to the expert, significantly increases the morale of the Russians. At the same time, in Syria, Russia does not intend to "fight to the death" with America, it only implements its carefully thought-out plan for alternating attacks and waste, carrots and carrots, attacks and compromises. Finally, the operation in Syria distracts Saudi Arabia from dumping oil prices, and Iran from entering the energy market. The general instability in the main oil-bearing region leads to a rise in price of black gold.

It should be noted that in the Chinese expert community, after the start of the Russian anti-terrorist operation, the prevailing opinion is that China should wisely adhere to a neutral position, but at the same time support Russia diplomatically and morally. In general, China’s military involvement in the operation against ISIS is assessed as unlikely. It is also unclear which, in principle, China can provide support, given that from China to Syria more than 8 thousand nautical miles. To contain a military group there, you need a powerful fleet to supply it, and the effect is unclear. Chinese aviation? But the Russian air base is small and is currently busy. So, you must first create your own air base. What for? Submit an aircraft carrier? (See about fake above.)

Representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China refute the information about the possible participation of Chinese military aviation in the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces against LIH. This October 8 official spokesman Hua Chunin said: "We do not have information about the possible participation of the Chinese Air Force operations in Syria." At the same time, according to her, China supports the actions of the international community to prevent terrorist activities: “We hope that all parties will strengthen dialogue and cooperation in countering terrorist threats.”

Most Russian experts believe that China does not fit into a military operation in Syria. “Traditional Chinese politics is not to get involved when it is very dull, when too much interest intersects,” says Sinologist Bronislaw Vinogrodsky. “Beijing is never in such affairs, especially in the absence of direct interests.” According to him, this approach is so stable that if the troops of the PRC do find themselves in Syria, this will mean a radical change in the principles of foreign policy.

The head of the department of comparative political science at the Peoples' Friendship University, political scientist Yury Pochta also believes that the Chinese are trying to distance themselves from the conflicts of others in principle, as they are trying to pursue a policy of non-conflict existence. How long this can last is unclear, because in recent years the Chinese government has been making territorial claims to almost all its neighbors ...

At the same time, no one excludes that in Syria, a subgroup of Chinese ground forces, or special forces, can fight with ISIS, if necessary. If, nevertheless, China opens the “second front”, experts say, joint Russian-Chinese actions in Syria will become a global event - they will change the whole world balance, both political and military.

In general, bad feelings were premonitored by American analysts when they first observed Xi Jinping next to Putin at the Victory Parade in Moscow, and then Putin at a military parade in Beijing.

Of course, relations between Russia and China are much more complicated than simple allied ones. Exercises are carried out both on land and at sea. But China has its own agenda, Russia has its own ...

Why are you silent, yellow-faced brother? “Il shakes you like a mast when the waves went to the Yangtze?”

As they say, it is unknown where the waters of the Yellow River will take us ...

Especially for topwar.ru.

Materials used:
Mao Tse-tung Eighteen Poems. M., 1957.
http://russkiy-malchik.livejournal.com/661937.html
http://clubz-bg.ru/11667-kitaj_prisoedinqetsq_k_voennoj_operacii_v_sirii
http://regnum.ru/news/1987167.html
http://nashaplaneta.su/news/kitajskij_ehkspert_odnim_udarom_rossija_oderzhit_mnozhestvo_pobed/2015-10-10-935
http://tehnowar.ru/25475-knr-protiv-islamskogo-gosudarstva.html
http://rusvesna.su/news/1443178732
http://riafan.ru/424898-kitay-protiv-igil-no-v-siriyu-ne-sunetsya/
http://www.pravda.ru/world/asia/fareast/05-10-2015/1276890-maslov-0/#sthash.odEhi44B.dpuf
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  1. apro
    apro 13 October 2015 06: 04 New
    24
    It doesn’t matter who you are friends with, it’s important that you are friends with your head and your interests. China is a great power, but it has its own interests that do not always coincide with those of Russia, and what is the point of China being friends with a weak Russia? Protecting it if it is in its own order can not bring? Russia today despite all the official patriotism to be under the thumb of the dictates of the financial SGA and especially not seek osvoboditsya.Za us solve our problems one will not worsen and is always welcome.
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 13 October 2015 06: 08 New
      -2
      What China is silent. Should I count on a "second front"?

      Should we be afraid of a second front?
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 13 October 2015 07: 26 New
        0
        Quote: Mahmut
        What China is silent. Should I count on a "second front"?

        Стоит ли нам опасаться "второго фронта?


        А что, все так плохо? если про "второй фронт" заговорили.
        Of course, the author’s strange thoughts have collected a lot of material .. but why is this a headache for China? to please the author?
      2. varov14
        varov14 13 October 2015 08: 11 New
        +8
        Не стоит, китайцы не станут нам помогать. У нас явное несоответствие внешней политики с экономикой, либо иностранные разведки ведут тонкую игру против нас, либо мы недооцениваем подлость собственных "олигархов", которым глобализм гораздо ближе, понятней и роднее собственной государственности.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 13 October 2015 13: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: varov14
          Не стоит, китайцы не станут нам помогать. У нас явное несоответствие внешней политики с экономикой, либо иностранные разведки ведут тонкую игру против нас, либо мы недооцениваем подлость собственных "олигархов", которым глобализм гораздо ближе, понятней и роднее собственной государственности.


          Good thought, Dear varov14, especially regarding our own alligarchs. hi
        2. Talgat
          Talgat 13 October 2015 23: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: varov14
          the Chinese will not help us. We have a clear discrepancy between foreign policy and the economy


          Yes. until they become directly in Syria and Ukraine

          We all really understand. that in fact China and the Russian Federation are already allies - but the AXIS IS TOO WEAK to openly declare itself - that is, the Americans and the West are stronger

          Therefore, Russia does not declare itself an ally with Iran - although everything is already clear and you can’t deceive anyone. therefore, Putin and Nazarbayev are trying to confuse the amers - but Clintonsha has directly stated that their speeches will not deceive anyone - and that the United States will prevent the revival of the Eurasian power, etc.

          There are also moments. that Russia cannot afford to take the side of China in the conflicts in the Pacific for now - if it just drives itself into a corner - there will be no deep maneuver with Tokyo, with South Korea, and allied relations with Vietnam will be violated

          She also doesn’t announce with Iran - she was even forced to make excuses to the Saudis - don’t be afraid - we are not real military allies yet - and our alliance is not against you

          In fact, yes, the allies - and against them - and everyone understands - t to Igilov’s feeding ups are feeding ups of the Sauds - but diplomacy is a delicate matter - the main thing is not to admit
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 14 October 2015 16: 23 New
            +2
            Words of an adult husband !!!
      3. beitar
        beitar 13 October 2015 08: 13 New
        -34
        Вам стоит опасаться китайских "вежливых людей" и референдума о присоединении к Китаю в населенных китайцами приграничных районах Дальнего Востока. И ведь проголосуют за присоединение к Китаю. Сценарий им Россия подарила в 2014
        1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 13 October 2015 10: 02 New
          18
          There are fewer Chinese than Arabs in Israel.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 13 October 2015 13: 58 New
            +1
            Tam korejcev bolsche, cem kitajcev ....
          2. Archon
            Archon 13 October 2015 17: 40 New
            +3
            We have really few Chinese. BUT, which is typical, recently (for half a year) the Chinese began to come to visit us in large numbers (to Vladivostok). On weekends, there are a lot of them in the city center (200-300 people) and these are not just Chinese, but people who can afford expensive cameras with expensive optics (100-200 thousand rubles on average).
            But what they say about Koreans below, there are very few Koreans in Vladivostok. Basically, all Koreans live in Ussuriysk, in the Korean diasporas and just like that, because Koreans are one of the indigenous peoples.
            That's who could vote for the separation, so it is the Russians themselves. But those who were so violent and displeased had already left for Moscow a long time ago.
        2. Penetrator
          Penetrator 13 October 2015 10: 57 New
          11
          Quote: beitar
          Вам стоит опасаться китайских "вежливых людей" и референдума о присоединении к Китаю в населенных китайцами приграничных районах Дальнего Востока. И ведь проголосуют за присоединение к Китаю.

          А вам стоит опасаться исламских радикалов, которых вы не считаете угрозой и, даже, лечите в своих госпиталях (в частности боевиков ИГ). Думаете отобьётесь, в случае чего? А, если Америка на вас болт забьет? Никакой "Железный купол" и ваше ЯО не спасет тогда "богоизбранный" народ. Отольются еврейской кошке слёзы арабской мышки.
          Китаем нас пугать не надо - разберемся и вас на подмогу уж точно звать не будем. Мы ж не евреи, которые сначала накосячат, а потом вопят про холокост с геноцидом и апеллируют к "мировому сообществу".
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 06 New
            +1
            Kitajcy-evrei Azii .... Konkurenty synam moiseevym ... Ih ese 1,5 miljarda ... Potomu synam zaveta ziznenno neobhodimo oslabit kitajcev, zelatelno vojnoj, zelatelno s Rossiej, cto sulilo by garantirovannussajceo unozoo
          2. beitar
            beitar 13 October 2015 16: 32 New
            -2
            Quote: Penetrator
            Quote: beitar
            Вам стоит опасаться китайских "вежливых людей" и референдума о присоединении к Китаю в населенных китайцами приграничных районах Дальнего Востока. И ведь проголосуют за присоединение к Китаю.

            А вам стоит опасаться исламских радикалов, которых вы не считаете угрозой и, даже, лечите в своих госпиталях (в частности боевиков ИГ). Думаете отобьётесь, в случае чего? А, если Америка на вас болт забьет? Никакой "Железный купол" и ваше ЯО не спасет тогда "богоизбранный" народ. Отольются еврейской кошке слёзы арабской мышки.
            Китаем нас пугать не надо - разберемся и вас на подмогу уж точно звать не будем. Мы ж не евреи, которые сначала накосячат, а потом вопят про холокост с геноцидом и апеллируют к "мировому сообществу".



            Why did you decide that we are not afraid of Islamic radicals? Even as we are afraid. And we fight and destroy. We just do not think that Shiites of Hezbollah are better than ISIS Sunnis. There are no good and bad terrorists. The plague on both of their houses, both of them, must be destroyed. For 70 years, we have not asked anyone for help in the struggle for our survival, and rely only on ourselves. Not a single American or other foreign soldier died defending Israel. Only self-reliance. This is in contrast to Korea, Japan, Europe and the Arab allies of the Soviet Union. Remember how many Americans died in Korea and Vietnam and how many Russians died in Afghanistan.
        3. Algetxnumx
          Algetxnumx 13 October 2015 11: 20 New
          +2
          Вам стоит опасаться китайских "вежливых людей", прежде чем что то сказать или написать нужно мозгом подумать, если правда он есть, а так складывается впечатление, что у тебя вместо головы ж.па, дружок.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 10 New
            0
            Prosto eto mecta ego i zemljakov ...
        4. kot28.ru
          kot28.ru 13 October 2015 13: 37 New
          0
          Эthen who will vote there fool ? I have not heard of such request , in the EAO, too, your cunning op has become few! hi
        5. The comment was deleted.
        6. alekc73
          alekc73 14 October 2015 17: 14 New
          0
          So far, Russia will not dare the nuclear argument.
    2. Scraptor
      Scraptor 13 October 2015 06: 09 New
      +5
      Если Россию задавят, то и Китай подавят, а США и прочие "любят" из не меньше.
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 13 October 2015 07: 21 New
        23
        Quote: Scraptor
        Если Россию задавят, то и Китай подавят, а США и прочие "любят" из не меньше.

        China will sit quietly on its ass and watch, and even abstain in the UN Security Council.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 13 October 2015 07: 25 New
          +2
          It’s more likely that it’s clinging to itself from the islands, then it’s thermonuclear and starts ...
          From the fact that he has allies and interests far away, it is Pakistan (an ally against India, a transit corridor) and Iran (oil).
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 13 October 2015 11: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Scraptor
            It’s more likely that it’s getting closer from the islands,

            Not tsapnet, just next to build another
            1. Scraptor
              Scraptor 13 October 2015 11: 58 New
              0
              Senkaku has more depth, but the option is still interesting good the rig is standing next to them for a long time ...
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 16 New
          +1
          Kak gibel Sirii, haos na Ukraine neset ugrozy Rossii, tak i gibel Rossii neset smertelnye ugrozy Kitaju .... Kitaj eto ponimaet ...
      2. BMW
        BMW 13 October 2015 07: 26 New
        +7
        China has a different approach - they carry out economic expansion and cultural-ethnic expansion. They will not get involved in a military confrontation for as long as possible in principle. They have other problems now in the Asia-Pacific region, to resist the US economic expansion, plus a bunch of territorial claims in the Pacific.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 13 October 2015 10: 46 New
          +1
          Верно, экономическая и культурно-этническая экспансии -это части, так называемой политики "маленьких шагов"-"идти медленно и по-немногу, но только вперед". Китайцы сейчас "лезут" везде-в любую "дырку".
      3. Karlovar
        Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 11 New
        +1
        Absolutno verno zametili ...
    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 13 October 2015 11: 44 New
      0
      Radio station “Voice of Beirut”, referring to senior officials in the Hezbollah group, reported about the impending transfer of soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army of the PRC to the Middle East. Turkish newspapers publish large condemning articles in the sense that China’s participation in the military operation will only aggravate the chaos ("just don’t do this !!!"). They note that the Syrians at a demonstration in support of President Bashar Assad expressed gratitude not only to Russia, but also to China.


      ... Israeli sister Yakov Kedmi confirmed the presence of 2 ships and submarines of the Chinese Navy in the Mediterranean ...
      1. beitar
        beitar 13 October 2015 16: 38 New
        -7
        Israeli Jacob Kedmi has long turned into a place of residence in Israel and is not taken seriously by anyone, do not listen to his pseudo-analytical nonsense
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 13 October 2015 16: 41 New
          +1
          Eh .. malcheg .. but the fact that he hits nine out of ten is nothing, like ..

          Minus those are not extreme, the campaign ..
        2. alekc73
          alekc73 14 October 2015 17: 17 New
          0
          Former head of the world's strongest special services ???? Do not make me laugh. bully
  2. Scraptor
    Scraptor 13 October 2015 06: 06 New
    0
    China receives almost all of its oil from Iran, the latter tied in Syria. Pakistan is still among the Chinese among the fraudulent (friends with both China and the United States) against India. Therefore, direct car and air communication is. Ships can fit.
  3. Grbear
    Grbear 13 October 2015 06: 09 New
    10
    Until China will feel the first signs of a fracture ситуации в Сирии он не дернется. Пусть Медведь дерется с гориллой, грифом и кучей зверушек. Но и при переломе Китай попробует обойтись деньгами, американскими, чтобы "тихонько" поучаствовать в победе. Это нормальная китайская политика, когда события не касаются его границ.

    If the problem can be solved with money, then this is not a problem. This is an obstacle. D. Carnegie ®
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 13 October 2015 14: 49 New
      0
      Китай следует стратагеме "Наблюдать за пожаром с другого берега".
      Previous commentators are right.
  4. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 13 October 2015 06: 19 New
    +3
    Whoever said anything, but I believe that such a wait-and-see attitude of the Chinese will come to them sideways. Yes, while this does not directly concern them. But if now they support us against the West, then it can safely rely on our real support in the Pacific area. We remember the good. Otherwise, as in the parable about the broom ... hi
  5. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +1
    Well, God himself ordered China to stay with Russia in order to put an end to US claims to world hegemony!
    Mattresses and so the Chinese consider themselves a threat.
    So stop trying to sit out, it's time to take part in defending your interests!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 13 October 2015 06: 45 New
      +7
      The Chinese respect their interests. Sell more expensive, buy cheaper. And they will not get involved in a war for the interests of others. I don’t know why, but they still haven’t gone through the shock of the Domansky and the first socialist war of China and Vietnam. It's not about the troops, it's about headquarters. The troops are trained quite well.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 26 New
        0
        V Korejskoj vojne voevali 1 million kitajskih dobrovolcev! Oni i perelomili ishod vojny ....
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 13 October 2015 14: 30 New
          +1
          By the way, they fought well ...
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 23 New
      0
      Glavnaja i konecnaja cel matrasov-oslablenie Kitaja cerez sozdanije haosa v Srednej Azii i, zelatelno, v Rossii ....
  6. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 13 October 2015 06: 31 New
    +2
    If, however, China opens a "second front," experts say, joint Russian-Chinese actions in Syria will become a global event - they will change the whole world alignment, both political and military.
    I think, for the sake of this, the Chinese should fork out ...
    1. Felix1
      Felix1 13 October 2015 07: 22 New
      -6
      Well, Russia has already forked over Crimea and Donbas, but China will not do that, they understand that if production (European and American) leaves, then it will be irrevocable. and will be made in Vietnam, Mexico, Moldova Bulgaria, etc. and there will be millions of Chinese dissatisfied with their power, and everyone knows that.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 October 2015 07: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Felix1
        they understand very well that if production (European and American) leaves, then it will be irrevocable.

        You see, you sleep a lot, production from China has long gone. American to Mexico and even to hell knows where. European goods made in China are licensed. And past this, China itself has a powerful production base, independent of Europe and the USA. Rather, Europe and the United States depend on China.
        1. BMW
          BMW 13 October 2015 13: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          production from China has long been gone.

          ?????????? Where?
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 35 New
          0
          Imenno tak obstoit .... Let 5 nazad Kanada vvela zapret na vvoz kitajskih tovarov ..., po strane prokatilas volna protestov ..., zapret bystrenko otmenili ....
      2. Scraptor
        Scraptor 13 October 2015 07: 38 New
        +2
        And in the United States there will be tens of millions of displeased Chinese people ...
      3. Karlovar
        Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 30 New
        +1
        Proizvodstvo na svoih dvuh ujdet ???? Da, vo Vjetname uze stojat tysjaci kitajskih zavodov i fabrik ...
      4. woron333444
        woron333444 13 October 2015 15: 46 New
        +2
        Their technology will remain. They will call products differently and will release them. And at the price of them, neither Europe nor the Americans are equal.
  7. ImPerts
    ImPerts 13 October 2015 06: 51 New
    +3
    China will not participate in Syria militarily, morally. China's main goal is Japan. Japan’s refusal to non-use of the armed forces abroad and the defensive nature of its use is directed precisely against the PLA. China has huge plans for Africa and its fossils, where China will have to use its armed forces.
  8. BLOND
    BLOND 13 October 2015 07: 33 New
    0
    If, however, China opens a "second front," experts say, joint Russian-Chinese actions in Syria will become a global event - they will change the whole world alignment, both political and military.
    This will be the first nail in the coffin of mattresses
  9. mark1
    mark1 13 October 2015 07: 34 New
    +1
    "...Что ж ты молчишь, желтолицый брат? «Иль качает тебя, как мачту, когда волны пошли на Янцзы?»

    Как говорится, неизвестно, куда нас вынесут воды Хуанхэ…"

    There is a good answer to all such questions in the form of a sermon by the priest Sivoldai

    - People! There is a lot of the unknown. There is a taco that is known only to me, but you are unknown. There is such that only you know, but I don’t know.

    - There is a taco that neither you nor I know!

    - Oh, my dear people! I have an old cassock. These things are known only to me, but you are not aware.

    - Oh, my friends are kind! Whether you buy me materials for a new coyote in a woolen brown color and silk material of the same color for a lining to the coyse, this is known only to you. But this is unknown to me.

    - Oh, my beloved brethren! And the material that you buy for me on the cassock, and the lining for this cassock and with the material attached to it is also the color of a hedgehog, with velvet to finish it appropriately - whether all this will appeal to my cousin Sivoldaikha - neither you nor I know!
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 13 October 2015 07: 43 New
      0
      Better push in the rabbinical parables. Somehow closer to the roots ...
      1. mark1
        mark1 13 October 2015 08: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Scraptor
        Better push in the rabbinical parables. Somehow closer to the roots ...

        Well, some people have enough comics from the Bible ...
        And where do the rabbis?
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 13 October 2015 11: 16 New
          0
          What did the Christians have to do with it? With Charlie Hebdo comics ... bully
  10. sa-ag
    sa-ag 13 October 2015 07: 50 New
    +4
    "Что ж ты молчишь, желтолицый брат?"

    Why is silent, China voiced its position on Syria - the Syrian conflict must be resolved by the Syrians and political methods.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 October 2015 08: 22 New
    +1
    Or maybe you should think about why our general, analyzing the further progress of the IS, mentioned the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region of China. Perhaps this is a hidden offer to China to think about the security of its territories in the future?
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 13 October 2015 08: 25 New
    -2
    China is silent because it does not concern it yet, it builds up its strength and probes the soil in its region, its hatched imperial plans are already clear to many, the question is how and when China will begin to implement them, but Russia, especially its last actions in Syria, is holding back , where its military capabilities were clearly demonstrated ...
  13. EvgNik
    EvgNik 13 October 2015 08: 29 New
    +1
    We are in Syria at the request of Assad. Legally. Agreed and endorsed by the UN. Was there a similar request to China? I have not heard that. States in the Middle East were not approved by the UN, so they had to slowly roll back. And if they still stayed there, now now, perhaps, not for long. They will create tension in the Pacific region, and then the Chinese will have a little tough time. Actually, it’s so simple that the states from the Middle East will not leave - it hurts them a sweet piece, but I think in the end it will have to.
  14. Fotoceva62
    Fotoceva62 13 October 2015 08: 38 New
    +2
    There will be no land operation on the part of Russia (at least as promised by the commander in chief). China's support is quite sufficient on the diplomatic and economic component of the conflict. The role of the Russian contingent is the destruction of particularly important and complex goals, and most importantly, this is to prevent air strikes by “friends of Syria” on the ground forces of the legitimate government and to ensure the smooth operation of government aviation.
    China now has much more important things to do with the disputed islands in its area of ​​responsibility.
    Russia's role in suppressing the actions of the United States and its mongrel in the Middle East, solving its military and economic problems in the region. Russia can also resolve these issues in close cooperation with all countries in the theater. The main thing in helping them is not to replace them in hostilities. They themselves must learn to live together and fight aggressors together.
  15. Stinger
    Stinger 13 October 2015 08: 41 New
    +2
    Китай мудр, потому и молчит. Он никого не учит жить, в отличии от суетящихся по поводу своего "величия". А все беды и в семье, и в религии, и в мире происходят от желания всех поучать и наклонять под свою идеологию. Из-за этого рухнули все предыдущие империи, СССР. И можно с уверенность сказать, что на очереди "исключительные". А Китай не суетится. Раньше сидел на горе и смотрел как дерутся два тигра. Сейчас сидит на той же горе и смотрит как дерутся и тигры, и львы, и шакалы. Пока они дерутся накапливает силы.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 13 October 2015 12: 54 New
      +2
      Yes, yes, somewhere like that ... But now, what would happen to China, if you hadn’t found yourself at that time with an ally like the USSR? They forgot it, along with you, it seems.
      For such things (avoiding help to the warring USSR), Stalin kept Mao in his reception room for several days.
      And he patiently waited, bearing this humiliation!
  16. Million
    Million 13 October 2015 08: 42 New
    +1
    Hope in China, but don’t be bad!
  17. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 13 October 2015 08: 44 New
    +1
    No one is asking China to meddle in Syria, but they could send money! All the same, we are fighting against one enemy - American Englishmen.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 41 New
      +1
      A gde i kem dokazano, cto Kitaj ne zasylaet deneg ???
  18. Stas57
    Stas57 13 October 2015 08: 59 New
    +2
    Already good if China did not interfere!

    Ну а вообще тут важно помнить, что в китайском нет понятия "брат" .
    Есть "старший брат" и "младший брат", ну вы меня поняли...
  19. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 13 October 2015 09: 01 New
    +2
    Многовато лозунгов господа комментирующие позицию Китая!Восток дело тонкое и из этой аксиомы нужно исходить в оценке его политики,которая имеет двойное, а иногда и тройное дно...! А лозунги "Русский с китайцем -братья на век" мы уже проходили,а вот стать для друг-друга надежными партнерами и союзниками это было бы совсем даже не плохо и главное-это выгодно обеим сторонам!
  20. P. Yaroslav
    P. Yaroslav 13 October 2015 09: 03 New
    0
    "Если долго сидеть на берегу реки, то можно увидеть, как по ней проплывет труп твоего врага" :"Искусство войны" Сунь Цзы. Цитаты -Вот она, стратегия Китая. Ждать будут до последнего, и даже когда станет совсем жарко, будут стараться загрести жар чужими руками-вспомните Советских лётчиков в Китае воюющих с Японией...
  21. RusDV
    RusDV 13 October 2015 09: 16 New
    +1
    “The wind is autumn. Like the old wind howls. But in a different way everything became in the world "

    ... inspired, for some reason ....

    -Gavril was an unfaithful husband!
    -Gavrile cheated on wives ...!

    laughing
  22. yan 2015
    yan 2015 13 October 2015 09: 24 New
    0
    the yellow brother is never in a hurry. he is waiting on the riverbank when the corpse of the enemy himself swims past him. wise warriors, so to speak.
  23. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 13 October 2015 09: 25 New
    +2
    In fairness, it should be noted that this position is not only in China. Take even our CSTO allies, the same story, while Russia is fighting terrorism in Syria and butting with NATO, our partners quietly sit behind our broad shoulders. Although this concerns them no less than Russia, terrorism threatens all of Central Asia, Afghanistan is next in turn, and our friends are in no hurry to help us. It’s hard for me personally to understand why China, the CSTO, will not provide air support to the Syrian armies, or at least somehow indicate their presence there .... and they can do this quite legally, Russia already has a mandate to carry out an operation in Syria and join Russia will be guaranteed the legitimacy of their actions (Putin said the same thing in Solovyov’s programs, only it was about the US coalition and ensuring their legal status), so I conclude that they don’t really need it, their shirt, as they say, is closer to to the body.
  24. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 13 October 2015 09: 30 New
    0
    China is a pragmatist, he does not need to get into a fight for 8 thousand km from his shores, this is 1, 80% of the technologies on which China is developing rapidly now are received from Europe and the USA, this is 2, sales of products made in China are almost 80% sold in Europe and the same The United States is 3 (although it’s said loudly - 90% of the components for the assembly of high-tech equipment come from abroad) is 5, a large diaspora - almost 4 million Chinese study and work in the USA normally; this is 5, why should China spoil relations with the West and USA, to confront, in the name of what, simply because of the old friendship with us? These are the Chinese volunteers of the 50s (dressed in bast shoes and quilted jackets) and equipped with our weapons fought with us against American imperialism, because they saw a powerful, technologically advanced and modern country in the USSR, and what now ...? So there will be no second front until (until the Americans stepped on their debtor to China by the throat).
  25. sieras
    sieras 13 October 2015 09: 33 New
    -2
    oh, what a china. do not make me laugh.
    они заняты проталкиванием своего барахла через всякие "алибаба" и базарные киоски.
    big politics is not for them.
    если пригласите их заполнить ваши магазины не качественным ширпотребом, то они в переди планеты всей. но если попросите поучаствовать в большой политике, у них сразу "китайская натура не вмешательства" и т.д. зачем им тогда право вето в ООн? что-бы воздерживаться.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 13 October 2015 09: 42 New
      +2
      Chinese SUV BJ2022 Brave Warrior in Syria. Well, something like this. repeat
  26. akudr48
    akudr48 13 October 2015 09: 40 New
    +4
    What China is silent. Should I count on a "second front"?

    Вопрос правильный, да и ответ автора должен быть более определенным, а не в стиле "может быт", а "может и не быть", "неизвестно" и подобные сомнения, поскольку Китай - не бином Ньютона.

    China is silent only about itself, as it did for 5 thousand years.

    There are no second fronts with China, China is only for itself, and not as Russia, for all.

    And the potentials are not comparable. In the early 80s, the Soviet economy was 10 times larger than the Chinese, but now, on the contrary, the Chinese economy is 10 times larger than the Russian one.

    Thanks to the Great August Revolution of 1991, to Gorbachev and Yeltsin, as well as to Moscow’s ECU and Yaponchik and all the liberal viper who still steers clear of the interests of the Russian people.

    When Russia will be for itself, that is the question.
  27. veksha50
    veksha50 13 October 2015 09: 51 New
    +1
    "But China has its own agenda, Russia has its own"...

    Actually, this final phrase is the summary of this article ...

    Why did we (or the world) wait or are waiting for China to intervene in the operation in Syria, on the side of Russia and Assad ???

    China has always pursued only its goals, and this war is not its war ...

    And there’s nothing to blame him for: at least how many times has he already supported us at the UN on the same Syria, and on many other issues ???

    So there is no need to demand from him that can go against his interests ...

    Мы уже сколько раз говорили на ВО: ну нет у нас друзей, мы одни противостоим "мировому гегемону" и его стае... Вот на свои, и только свои силу и нужно надеяться...
    1. ma_shlomha
      ma_shlomha 13 October 2015 11: 12 New
      +3
      In confirmation of the above:
      We, the heirs of a worldview formed by the influence of near-Mediterranean cultures, completely forget that the Chinese are the heirs of completely different philosophical concepts of worldview. Therefore, many manifestations of Chinese politics are not always understood by the heirs. Pax Romana.

      The difference between the Chinese and the Europeans is enormous:
      - Expressing some kind of opinion or understanding, the Chinese do not speak directly, but walk around the issue. It often happens when you even need to say no, they say yes and vice versa. If a Chinese man begins to express his opinion directly, in society he will be considered a simpleton who is easy to disgrace. Chinese thinking in solving issues is based on the fact that when the words reach the tongue, the Chinese leave half of them in their mouths. But this method is also used by those who do not understand much in a certain issue, but want to look like experts. They speak only an insignificant phrase and thoughtfully interrupt.
      -Europeans take punctuality very seriously. The concept of “on time” is very vague among the Chinese. They often set the time as “morning”, “evening”, “until noon”, while foreigners usually name the exact time.
      - A very important difference between a Westerner and a Chinese. The foreigner does not care what others think of him. If he is angry, it is immediately visible to others. If he has something to say, he will immediately say so. We can say that in this area the Europeans have a much healthier psyche than the Chinese. Even when the Chinese are already on the verge of discontent, he will not show this, a slight smile will remain on his face. When the Chinese have a lot of fun, they try not to show it in order to look like a highly educated person. Many Chinese are overwhelmed with hatred and anger towards others, but this is not visible from the outside.
      - The Chinese do not like tanning, they like white skin. They do not like tanned people who look like blacks, who are considered very outwardly unattractive in China.
      -When the Chinese see the hard, they go around when trouble occurs, the Chinese leave them when they see a benefit, they need to seize it, and when something is free, they seek to get it.
      - For Europeans, a boss is just a leader. The Chinese call the leader “official” or even “official father”. This is really a very significant person.

      Etc.
  28. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 October 2015 10: 07 New
    +1
    Is it worth counting on a “second front”?

    only to adhere to our victory when it is clear that Russia is already winning. The second front, China was to open, along with Russia, a dragon in Syria.
    China is big but cautious, and therefore Washington understands that the only threat to its hegemony is only Russia.
  29. 31rus
    31rus 13 October 2015 10: 24 New
    +1
    The alignment is correct, but ISIS is already in Afghanistan, and this is another song and, according to intelligence, will also aim for China, so sooner or later China will be involved in the war and can’t do without Russia, although NATO may also seize the initiative (small but chance), Afghanistan is not Syria and no less players, so China is waiting and quietly preparing
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 13 October 2015 14: 47 New
      0
      Kitaj napramuju granicit s afganistanom !!!
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 13 October 2015 15: 00 New
        0
        And with Pakistan after the Indo-Pakistani and Chinese wars - therefore, there is a direct road and air links to Iran, most of which are bought by China.
  30. 31rus
    31rus 13 October 2015 10: 24 New
    0
    The alignment is correct, but ISIS is already in Afghanistan, and this is another song and, according to intelligence, will also aim for China, so sooner or later China will be involved in the war and can’t do without Russia, although NATO may also seize the initiative (small but a chance), Afghanistan is not Syria and no less players, so China is waiting and quietly preparing. I would also like not to quote from China's commanders, but our relatives worthy, we have a great many, something like this
  31. The Chat
    The Chat 13 October 2015 11: 17 New
    +1
    Упаси нас бог от "друзей" (типа Китая), а уж с врагами мы как нибудь разберемся....
  32. traveler
    traveler 13 October 2015 11: 17 New
    -1
    Syria for China is too far, and therefore not necessary. but Afghanistan is much closer. Uyghur combat groups are mainly in the territories of Afghanistan and Pakistan, in Syria, only some flying mujahideen can. socio-political Uyghur organizations - in Turkey, Germany and the states, are not available.
    the fate of pipelines through syria also does not concern china.
    why get in? support Putin friend? for this, it’s enough to say a few approving words to the United Nations; it’s not worth anything.
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 13 October 2015 11: 40 New
      +1
      but aren't the Americans growing up there other than drug addicts?
  33. IAlex
    IAlex 13 October 2015 11: 44 New
    +3
    The Soviet Union in Afghanistan from China received a second front in exchange for US preferences ...
  34. Buffalo
    Buffalo 13 October 2015 12: 29 New
    0
    Ещё во времена Мао и "культурной революции", в Китае провозгласили политику невмешательства в конфликт империалистов США и социал-ревизионистов СССР - лозунг о мудрой обезьяне, которая с высокой горы наблюдает битву льва и тигра. А после того, как они уничтожат друг друга в схватке, спустится с горы и снимет шкуру с обоих...
    Году этак в 74-76, Китай, как и "Голос Америки", "Радио "Свобода", вели подрывные репортажи, на КВ и УКВ диапазонах, по радио, нечто вроде этого:
    The atomic bomb is a boom tiger by which the Soviet social revisionists are trying to intimidate the People's Liberation Army of China ....
    But, they demonstrated not only ideology. For a year, that way in 74-75, near Krasnokamensk, Chita region, the Chinese infiltrated our territory and completely cut out the frontier post. First, the sentries and the sentry were eliminated, and then the sleeping were killed by ramrods in the ear.
  35. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 October 2015 13: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: IAlex
    The Soviet Union in Afghanistan from China received a second front


    that's for sure. They are some kind of muddy these Chinese. From around the corner they are watching the confrontation between Russia and the USA and pretend that they themselves are above all this.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 13 October 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      And as a result, they don’t give up on their asses as before, even despite their Chinese pathos ...
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 13 October 2015 13: 07 New
        0
        With the help of the United States-they will push ...
  36. Disant
    Disant 13 October 2015 13: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: beitar
    Вам стоит опасаться китайских "вежливых людей" и референдума о присоединении к Китаю в населенных китайцами приграничных районах Дальнего Востока. И ведь проголосуют за присоединение к Китаю. Сценарий им Россия подарила в 2014

    almost true. only polite people do not need to wait - they are already there. married Russians, passports, real estate, influence. Russified outside, but not inside.
    attempts to appoint heads of administrations, mayors in small villages, which of their own, already existed.
    just to minus. like ostriches - minuscule - and immediately in the sand, so that it would not be scary, so as not to hear this, to shut up the question.
    and then we will make round eyes, run, slap our thighs and wail - how so. how so
    1. Bradypodidae
      Bradypodidae 13 October 2015 13: 23 New
      +1
      Что для Китая Сирия?А ничего.Даже если Сирия падет,то Китай в Иране свой форпост сделает и регион сможет контролировать.А за демонстрацию поддержки(вот как сейчас)Китай с России много всякой разной "печеньки" стребует.И ведь не откажешь,себе дороже потом будет.Но вот предложи Америка для Китая поддержку в случае захвата Д.Востока,Китай тут же согласиться.
  37. Zai pali
    Zai pali 13 October 2015 14: 25 New
    -1
    I salute the Americans! Crush China! They would rather understand hu from hu.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 13 October 2015 15: 22 New
      -1
      The Chinese without cuffs, as without gingerbread.
      But, the Yankees will quickly bring them to condition.
  38. Balagan
    Balagan 13 October 2015 16: 28 New
    +3
    China is always in its own interests. Where it will be profitable, there it will work. This applies not only to friendship with Russia, but also to Syria.
    About borders with neighbors - yes. As we chopped off the islands - they poured the bottom, changed the channel - put forward complaints, one and a half islands were received from Khabarovsk. And on other rivers as well. At least it began to reach ours - they began to strengthen the banks of the rivers.
    In the photo: bank protection on the river. Granite. The left bank of the river is already China. At the end of May 2015 he took pictures.
  39. DHA
    DHA 13 October 2015 17: 44 New
    -1
    You should not count on these smart
  40. Petrik66
    Petrik66 13 October 2015 19: 59 New
    0
    In Libya, the Chinese had their own interests, their workers and their cap (sloth) investments. They were not asked, they were kicked out of there - 50 Chinese were evacuated and they wiped themselves off. It is unlikely that the Americans will respect the country, albeit a space, etc., which allows this. Syria .... well, it’s full of you, we just really wanted that at least this time we would not be alone against everyone. Nothing, we will kill them all (reptiles).
  41. gammipapa
    gammipapa 13 October 2015 22: 54 New
    0
    And what can one guess, can listen to the opinion of a real colonel, a scout who worked for our country for many years in China? Does he not understand the whole essence of the Chinese?
  42. nomad74
    nomad74 13 October 2015 23: 36 New
    +1
    We are waiting for the Chinese comrades! handy together!
  43. Mentat
    Mentat 14 October 2015 19: 33 New
    0
    Chinese squadron invisible to radar fighter-bomber J-15 "Flying Shark"

    Right? And not armored divers with vertical take-off? Before writing an article, it was worth asking what this J-15 is and where it came from.