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Police carbines family KS-23. Part three

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This is a continuation of an article about carbines of the KS-23 family. The first part is HERE.




Over time, a rather wide range of 23 mm ammunition of various types of action was developed for the KS-23 carbine: with rubber and plastic bullets filled with a canister or with inert training firing containers, with CS “Lilac” chemicals, and also idle (with expelling charges): for shooting locks and throwing special grenades. Attempts were also made to expand the possibilities of the carbine by creating for it cartridges with solid bullets (lead and steel), as well as a canister. The result met expectations, but at the cost of exceptional effectiveness of ammunition there was a high value of recoil force. weapons. This made the designers take up the development of similar 12 caliber cartridges and smooth-bore guns for them.

Characteristics of some patrons for carbines of the KS family, which were produced by NPO Tekhnika at the Scientific Research Institute of Special Technology, later renamed PKU NPO Special Equipment and Communications.





Perhaps this is a complete list of 23-mm cartridges with explanations.



Judging by the comment of the user with the nickname “Gross kaput” - there is an ammunition for emergency opening of doors.
Most likely, this is the “Wave” cartridge, in which the training inert grenade was replaced either with a plastic container filled with compressed bulk material like sand, or with a bag of small lead shot.

Also “Gross Kaput” mentioned the Lilac-7M munition.
It may have been developed, but Google knows nothing about it.
Most likely, this is the “Lilac-7” cartridge with a high concentration of irritant CS and an effective range increased to 150 - 200 meters.




To increase the effectiveness of weapons, over-caliber gas grenades (36 and 82 mm) and muzzle nozzles for shooting them were developed.

Police carbines family KS-23. Part three


Single (expelling) cartridges, barrel nozzles. 6 Nozzle for shooting 36-mm Cheermuck-6 grenade and 12 Nozzle for shooting 82-Cheremukha-12 grenade and nad-caliber gas grenades (36 and 82 mm).




A KS-23 rifle with a muzzle nozzle No. 12 for firing 82-mm grenades "Chermukha-12".

In addition, the cat's muzzle attachment (OC-06) was developed, allowing to throw a cat-hook with a rope attached to it at a distance of up to 35 meters, or to the height of the 7-th floor of a residential building. “Cats” was designed 2 type: with folding “legs” (OTs-06-03) and with fixed “legs” of anchor type (OTs-06-02).


Muzzle head for shooting cat-type hooks


Literally before the release of the article, I discussed with Vadim, my friend and a veteran of the special unit of the Ministry of Justice of the Republic of Moldova, the advantages and potential of the carbine. It turned out that the carbine KS-23 is in service with the “Panther” detachment, my friend made several shots of it at the trunk of a dried-up tree and appreciated its power and effectiveness. He added that gunsmiths could well have adapted the above-caliber nozzles from “Bird cherry” to shoot off the network container. A carabiner-setter would be useful for special forces soldiers.

TTX carbine KS-23:



Reviews
The user “krutoyarsky0474” left such feedback on guns.ru forum:


The user “grossfater_m” posted this review on livejournal.com:


Charlie Catshaw (Charlie Cutshaw) in his book “Small Arms of Russia. New models ”writes:



Efficiency

“Yeltsin coup” 1993-th year. I bring a photo and the comment of the participant of the events which got wound. Source: livejournal.com.




Several archival photos of fighters armed with carbines KS-23.



















Modifications

For several years of operation, not only the strengths, but also the weaknesses of the KS-23 carbine were revealed. The operators came to the conclusion that a bulky carbine longer than 1-meter with a massive wooden butt is not always suitable for carrying out operational activities. The Air Force and the Ministry of Internal Affairs asked for more compact weapons, while maintaining the excellent fighting qualities of the basic version. And at the beginning of 90-ies in the framework of the implementation of the theme “Thrush” such a version appeared.

KS-23M "Drozd" (Special 23-mm carabiner modernized). The work on the subject “Thrush” began in the same Research Institute of Special Machines in October 1990 of the year, and already 10 of December 1991 of the year, an experimental batch of 25 carbines under the code C-3 entered the tests.

The tests were successful, and in the same year the upgraded version of the carbine was assigned the index KS-23М “Drozd” and it was adopted by the police and internal troops.

From the basic version of the upgraded carbine KS-23M “Thrush” differed shortened on the 10, see the trunk and the lack of a wooden butt. The butt was replaced with a plastic fire control knob and developed a removable T-shaped metal shoulder rest (skeleton butt).

In the comments, KardeN met the following data on the nomenclature: KS-23-1 (with a butt and barrel of standard length), KS-23М (short barrel, removable butt) and also KS-23-1М - the barrel is short, but the butt is constant.





Carabiner KS-23М “Drozd” with added butt



Carabiner KS-23М “Drozd” from KardeN's arsenal. Pay attention: the added butt is equipped with a rubber shock-absorbing butt pad. Homemade “tuning”











Latch of a butt clamp of a carbine KS-23М "Thrush"


For firing from the modernized CS “Drozd”, the whole range of cartridges used for firing from the KS-23, including barrel nozzles “Cat”, “Nozzle-6” and “Nozzle-12”, is used.







Despite the fact that the carbine KS-23M "Thrush" is more compact than its predecessor, he inherited the main drawbacks of all weapon systems equipped with a tubular magazine, namely: low rate of fire, low magazine capacity and the inability to quickly replace the type of cartridge used. The following version of the carbine is devoid of these shortcomings: KS-23K.

TTX carbine KS-23 M "Drozd":



Several archival photos from KS-23M "Drozd".


Shot from video report (Kurgan region, November 2012). SOBR soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation are preparing for a business trip to the North Caucasus. Troika fulfills penetration into the room. In the hands of one of the fighters - KS-23M "Thrush". One shot from the KS-23M on the door - and the work went!



Shot from video report (Kurgan region, November 2012). Carabiner KS-23М "Thrush" leaning against a wall



Frame from video report (Kurgan region, November 2012).
Expelling cartridge for carbines family KS-23.


About myths


Extract from the forum “Weapons” (oruzheika.mybb.ru)


Although nothing is said about this relationship on the official website of the Tula KBP, most likely, the author of this statement is right: since both RMB-93 and GM-94 used a constructive scheme with a moving barrel, the magazine in both samples is located above the barrel, and ejection of spent cartridges carried down.
The principle of reloading in both samples is also identical: dismounting of ammunition occurs when the barrel moves backwards (“towards itself”), and the sleeve is removed when the barrel moves forward “away from itself”.


Carabiner KS-23М and GM-94 grenade launcher


Carabiner KC-23М in the cinema

The film "Swing", 2008 year.




With endless patrons in the cinema, it seems to be getting tighter, but even without that, there are enough “jambs”.

For example, in the movie "Swing", a fighter with a barrel nozzle for throwing grenades for a hundred and a half meters does not have a place in a stormed building, but in a shelter, at some distance from him. Who watched the movie, he remembers that in this picture KS-23M did not find any use for himself.

Gentlemen-comrades filmmakers! Do not save on consultants!

KC-23M Carabiner in Video Games

* Crossfire VN.
* Mod for Half-Life 2 called Firearms: Source.
* Call of Duty: Black Ops.
* 7.62 High Caliber.


A frame from the video game Call of Duty: Black Ops. In the hands of the character - KC-23M



A frame from the video game Call of Duty: Black Ops. A character named Mason is ready to pick up "Harpoon". This KC-23M with nozzle OTs-06 "Cat".
With his help, Mason knocks down a Soviet helicopter during an uprising in the zone (the level of “Vorkuta”).



Arsenal in the 7.62 High Caliber video game. KC-23M carbine is marked with a red arrow.


TO BE CONTINUED…

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Video from the game “Call of Duty: Black Ops”.
Shooting from KS-23 during an uprising in the zone (“Vorkuta” level).
The creators of the game equipped it with an 7 magazine for cartridges.



Video report from the Kurgan region, November 2012.
SOBR soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation are preparing for a business trip to the North Caucasus.

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  1. MARGADON
    MARGADON 15 October 2015 06: 21 New
    +3
    In the game, the Stalker OP-2 "Drozd" is also present. Mutant Prime is the deadliest weapon good
    1. Mister X
      15 October 2015 09: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: MARGADON
      In the game Stalker OP-2 "Thrush" is also present.

      Thanks for the addition, did not know.
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 15 October 2015 08: 31 New
    +2
    About video games, you need to ask my children, especially the older one, he went to these toys.
    According to the article - definitely a plus, thanks for the full and detailed review.
    1. Mister X
      15 October 2015 09: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      According to the article - definitely a plus, thanks for the full and detailed review.

      hi
      Thank you!
      Good word to anyone nice smile
      I try to prepare the material so that I understand, even dull.
  3. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 15 October 2015 08: 49 New
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    I never heard of the COP-23. winked And by the way, I did not see him anywhere.
    1. avt
      avt 15 October 2015 08: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Kibalchish
      And by the way, I did not see him anywhere.

      ZU-23 seen? Here is the same, but cut shorter. laughing
  4. Vivat
    Vivat 15 October 2015 12: 32 New
    +1
    And in truth, a good and detailed review! Thank you, I read it with pleasure.
    1. Mister X
      15 October 2015 13: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: Viva
      And in truth, a good and detailed review! Thank you, I read it with pleasure.

      Thank you!
      There will be 4, the final part.
  5. gross kaput
    gross kaput 15 October 2015 13: 58 New
    +1
    For example, in the movie "Swing", a fighter with a barrel nozzle for throwing grenades a hundred and a half meters does not have a place in the assaulted building, but in a shelter, at some distance from him. Who watched the film, he remembers that in this picture KS-23M did not find application for itself.

    Gentlemen-comrades filmmakers! Do not save on consultants!

    Those. According to the author, the attachment does not allow the use of the rest of the ammunition nomenclature except for the PV-23 bundle and, in this case, “X.UMNX”? Bold statement laughing
    The video about the cathedrals pleased the commentator’s childlike spontaneity - "firing is carried out with live ammunition" and right there in the frame the fighters storming the premises and firing from the AK-74M with the single-shot bushings installed - definitely an offset!
    1. Mister X
      15 October 2015 14: 09 New
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      Quote: gross kaput
      Those. According to the author, the attachment does not allow the use of the rest of the ammunition nomenclature except for the PV-23 bundle and, in this case, “X.UMNX”? Bold statement

      I wanted to say that in the film a fighter with a carbine equipped with a nozzle for shooting over-caliber gas grenades entered the stormed building.
      And it was shot so for the sake of entertainment:
      in the hands of a fighter, a hefty gun and with some mysterious thing on the muzzle should impress the viewer.
      About the credibility did not think, or fended off.
  6. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 15 October 2015 16: 45 New
    +1
    he inherited the main shortcomings of all weapons systems equipped with a tubular magazine, namely: low rate of fire, low magazine capacity and the inability to quickly replace the type of cartridge used.

    I do not agree about ALL weapon systems with a tubular magazine. For example, smooth-bore semiautomatic devices all have a tubular magazine (we’ll omit AK clones), this doesn’t particularly affect the rate of fire, and with an elongated magazine it can fit up to 9 rounds. Just in the case of the COP has certain nuances, the use of a cartridge of a very large caliber. Rapid ammunition replacement is achieved by installing a cutter.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 15 October 2015 21: 25 New
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      Quote: Vladimirets
      For example, smooth-bore semiautomatic devices all have a tubular magazine (we’ll lower AK clones), this doesn’t particularly affect the rate of fire, and with an elongated magazine it can fit up to 9 rounds

      come on?! Have I ever missed a chance in this life to hammer 9 rounds into a time tube takes nothing more than changing a “box”? There is another small nuance - the balance of weapons that on saiga or boar will practically not change from the number of cartridges in the store, but on the pump, especially with a 9 local pipe, the number of cartridges in the store will be very noticeable - 9 cartridges of 12 cal will average 350- 400 gr.
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Rapid ammunition replacement is achieved by installing a cutter.

      Shaw mustache 9 rounds at a time ?! belay

      Shaw with regards to -
      Quote: Vladimirets
      smoothbore semiautomatic machines all have a tubular magazine
      Oh oh If you take police / military rifles, then about the fifties / fifties - on the vskidka -Valtro PM-5, SPAS-15, LW-3, Hawkanti-riot gun, Jackhammer, XM-26 LSS, AA-12, RAS-12 / AR- 12, USAS-12, MAG-7, SAS-12 - in fact, if you touch it with military rifles, the box steers here and the pipe is mainly used on "remaking" of hunting systems, on hunting semi-automatic machines the pipe is quite justified from the time of Browning's car -5 is considered a classic decision.
  7. gross kaput
    gross kaput 15 October 2015 22: 18 New
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    Perhaps this is a complete list of 23 mm cartridges with explanations. Taken from the “Guns”.
    PV-23 cartridge idle let's just say - PV stands for "knockout cartridge" - in principle, if they plow without a nozzle and a grenade, then it’s going to be idle laughing but in general it is designed to shoot grenades from the nozzle.
    PV-23M ... for shooting locks this moment always killed me, some deer decided that the “knockout cartridge” is intended for knocking out locks and launched this crap on the Internet - as a result, they continue to repeat this nonsense even on more or less adequate resources - PV-23 and PV-23M are intended exclusively for firing grenades Ch6 / Ch12 from barrels, the differences between them are only in the PV-23 design, a 26 mm sleeve has a mounting / blank cartridge made on the basis of the cut Mosin shell, the PV-23M has a “classic” design with the Sokol charged charge . "Shoot" the castle that the PV-23 that the PV-23M can only be hammered into the barrel piece of iron kotroy lock and break. laughing For "all-round" knockout cartridges have as a "knockout element" a bag with small lead shot or a plastic container with a cylinder pressed from various bulk materials.
    1. Mister X
      16 October 2015 01: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: gross kaput
      .

      Thanks for taking the time to comment.
      Maybe I made mistakes, but try to write the article yourself on the 57 pages and never make a mistake.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 16 October 2015 02: 09 New
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        Quote: Mister X
        57 page article

        I don’t know how much text will be in the next part, but in the first three, if I exclude pictures and quotes, in total it draws a maximum of 3 pages in 12 fonts laughing
        Quote: Mister X
        Maybe I made mistakes

        So the question is not in “errors” - the question is in the approach - at least the information on the hardware itself, the tactics and experience of the application is also not very thick, the b / p is a complete confusion - the funny thing is that there are official “postcards” with the correct description in front of the plate - but a lot pictures, comp. toys and films - you’ll excuse me, but my IMHO is that in this form the article is at the level of “pop. and cannot apply for serious work.
  8. gross kaput
    gross kaput 15 October 2015 22: 29 New
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    Further, “Wave-R” and “hi” are one and the same thing — or rather, the rubber bullet “hi” is part of the “Wave-R” cartridge wink
    "Bird cherry -7M" and "Lilac7" are, but for some reason they forgot about "Bird cherry 7" and "Lilac-7M". In fact, the author meticulously rummaged through all the co-computer games and films where the cops flashed, described the German kampfpistole and other nuances that are indirectly related to the subject of the article, but for some reason did not really bother to understand the ammunition and laid out someone else's crude tablet belay
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  10. gross kaput
    gross kaput 17 October 2015 11: 00 New
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    Somehow I missed the private -True, the RMB-93’s ammunition is dispensed when the barrel moves “away from you”, while the GM-94’s vice versa: when the barrel moves “towards you” A bold statement! Do the Tula people know about this? laughing
    And in the RMB and GM-94 the sleeve is removed when the barrel moves forward and the cartridge is sent when moving backward. And in this they both differ from the KS-23 and other classic pumps.