"Occupied." First look

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Writing about the series on the first two series is usually not a sign of the reviewer's professionalism. However, if we are not talking about the usual series, but about political agitation, then a couple of episodes are enough to form an objective opinion. Without disclosing the details of the plot, we can specifically talk about the two components of the series - artistic and political. Both, to put it mildly, do not shine.

Last weekend, the first episodes of the Norwegian series “Occupied” (Norwegian Okkupert) appeared in RuNet, which tells about an alternate reality where this Scandinavian country is under attack from its eastern neighbor. In Norway itself, the project started with unprecedented success. The pilot series was watched by 633 thousand people, which is 13% of the population (5 063 thousand), and 53% in the age group from 20 to 49 years. The popularity of the series was greatly influenced by last year’s events in Ukraine and the start of the Russian campaign in Syria. Commercial success at home can push the series and on foreign screens. "Occupied" have already bought TV channels from the UK, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Belgium.



Norwegian cinematographers did not give peace for a long time to the laurels of the Danish multiseries hit “The Government” about the everyday life of the top leadership of a small, proud country, which successfully passed on European TV screens. That series attracted by the relative novelty of the idea, but was frankly dragged out and scared off by excessive political correctness. The Norwegian series borrowed some techniques from the Danes, but it looks like it should be said, a bit more cheerful. In some cases, rather original visual solutions were used, which are rarely seen in the game cinema.

However, they expected, of course, more from the most expensive project of the Norwegian cinema. Alas, but in front of us is not at all funny trash level of the "Red Dawn", but something more dreary. Instead of scale, emphasis was placed on the drama and plot, but neither of them really worked out. The drama came out straining and frankly unnatural. But political correctness is on the march: “good” Arabs, blacks and other “tolerant” citizens flash in the frame. In the light of recent events, it is particularly amusing to watch such an audience. Gays and lesbians have not yet been noticed - and thanks for that. The game of actors of stars from the sky is not enough, but the question arises: if these are the best performers of Norway, then what are the worst there?

And now, actually, about bad Russians. They are few. Whether the budget disappoint, or this is the original idea, but the notorious “occupation” actually turned into a raider seizure of certain objects like oil platforms and some administrative buildings. The rest of the Norwegians live a completely normal life and proudly go to all sorts of meetings with national flags. Good Lord, is this an occupation?

By the way, I can congratulate everyone, comrades - after the Crimean events, “GRU special forces” are now the same brand as T-80, MiG, Sukhoi and AK-47, which in reality is not 47 at all, but who cares. The “green men” are dressed in black (although hardly anyone would be forbidden to buy real military uniforms to the Norwegian cinematographers in the Russian Federation) and for the most part are engaged in performing incomprehensible missions from the “I go back and forth” series.



Russian occupants do not patrol the main roads, do not organize their administration, and even (!) Do not disarm the army of the enslaved country. But they can easily shoot a passer-by who was walking with a dog and did not touch anyone - apparently, to show the viewer how evil they are.

But with the Russian technique, everything is obviously bad. In addition to several Ka-52 and Mi-26 helicopters, crookedly executed in CG, the unfortunate aggressors did not have anything to show in the first series. It would seem that the Norwegians could buy an olive-colored “Kamaz” or “Ural” in Russia for shooting, and the BMP-2 is quite possible to rent the Finnish neighbors, but no ... And this is a show that was lauded by a large budget? Apparently, eminent filmmakers steal from the box office not only in Russia.

Conclusion. The series started well only on a successful political background, which made him the main advertising, just as the American "Salt" came up on the scandal with illegal intelligence officers. He does not have much of his own artistic merit, and for us, Russian citizens, is of interest as an example of propaganda "from that side." Of course, it is worth watching it to the finals, but the former curiosity is already gone. Everything is clear in principle.

Scandinavian filmmakers were able to fulfill two orders at once; commercial and political. Imagine if they were invaders of Germans, British or Swedes, then the chances to sell the series on the foreign market would be greatly reduced, not to mention the diplomatic scandal. The Russian TV market was not initially considered as a priority.



And finally. Those Russian media outlets that rushed to announce that “such films were shot only during the Cold War period” seem to have poor information. Media products with “Russian invaders” were not registered on the screens today, and they appeared in large quantities for about a year from 2009. These are the famous computer games Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2; Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3; Vanquish; Ace Combat: Assault Horizon; Singularity; Battlefield: Bad Company 2, etc., as well as the anime series Kakumeiki Valvrave. And this is just what is remembered immediately, without the meticulous digging into the cloaks of modern mass culture.
There is nothing to talk about the benefits of such projects. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 has collected over a billion dollars. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 received its first billion in just 16 days, while the acclaimed blockbuster Avatar for 17 days.

So “bad Russians” is not only fashionable for a long time, but also profitable, like any brand into which a lot of money has been pumped.
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  1. +17
    12 October 2015 07: 31
    but the notorious “occupation” actually turned into a raider seizure of certain objects like oil platforms



    I remember how a certain GRINPIS office tried to seize and was very respected in NORWAY for our oil platform (PRIZRAZLOMNAYA) owned by GAZPROM ...

    Norway pirated this script and used in the anti-Russian series .... crooks.
    1. +11
      12 October 2015 10: 16
      Old Maid's Rape Fears laughing
      1. +5
        12 October 2015 10: 44
        and ours needs to make a series with an alternative story about how Soviet troops liberate all of Europe, Scotland, Ireland and bomb England under zero
        1. +2
          12 October 2015 11: 11
          Quote: hedgehog in the fog
          and ours needs to make a series with an alternative story about how Soviet troops liberate all of Europe, Scotland, Ireland and bomb England under zero

          No, really! A better alternative is where Hitler bombed at zero Britons and landed an assault on them on an island ... Then, a little later, bleeding from the war with the USSR, Germany declares the Norwegians subhuman and turns them into slaves ...
          Such a story is unlikely to sell well abroad, but maybe someone wakes up and sees who the real enemy is ...
        2. 0
          12 October 2015 11: 26
          And the script can be written based on Berkem's book "The Marauder".
      2. +1
        12 October 2015 13: 56
        Could there be any hope for this? Old masochists! Anyone who wants to suffer - will certainly suffer!
      3. 0
        12 October 2015 18: 09
        Or hope
    2. +2
      12 October 2015 13: 22
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Norway pirated this script and used in the anti-Russian series .... crooks.

      ----------------------
      There are no armadas of tanks and the stomp of thousands of tarpaulin, trash ... I expected more ... So that the sky was covered with parachutes of paratroopers, the earth shook from the tracks of tanks, the air was shaken by volleys of missiles and guns ... laughing
  2. +4
    12 October 2015 07: 31
    Nothing, and they will be cured.
    1. +10
      12 October 2015 08: 40
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      Nothing, and they will be cured.


      sorry I’m not invited to the movies ... I would star in the role of an evil Russian ..
      1. +3
        12 October 2015 09: 48
        Quote: vorobey
        I would star in the role of an evil Russian ..

        So, have you already been shot once? what I mean - your hands:
        Duplicate the image, then? We are looking for easy ways in art, which means ...
        Hi, Bollywood star ... drinks
        1. +3
          12 October 2015 12: 17
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          I mean - your hands:


          it's not me ... I was with a soldering iron .. laughing
          1. +6
            12 October 2015 12: 28
            Quote: vorobey
            it's not me ... i was with a soldering iron .. laughing

            Hello friends!
            Sanya, so this is you, shto-le what ? I never thought that a soldering iron, life-giving, with taxes makes belay
            1. +1
              12 October 2015 13: 21
              Quote: rererilka
              I never thought that a soldering iron, life-giving, with taxes makes

              Not a soldering iron, but soldering irons, and he doesn’t, but creates, and not with norgs, but with NATO Yes ...
              Hello Friend! fellow drinks
              1. +3
                12 October 2015 13: 48
                What's up with Svalbard? But somehow in 1920 Russia was not asked ...
                1. +2
                  12 October 2015 14: 45
                  Quote: Scraptor
                  But somehow in 1920 Russia was not asked ...

                  And then the USSR said that Svalbard and ours too Yes... Right now, the norgs are jumping out of their pants, but not only can they not expel the Russians, they cannot even limit their activitieswinkedthat Rogozin demonstrated with all his inherent cynicism ...
                  1. 0
                    12 October 2015 15: 11
                    He would be ours too if, for example, the Russian army as well as the Norwegian could go there with weapons.
                  2. +1
                    12 October 2015 15: 36
                    As well as trawlers in his eco-ecologic zone ...
                2. +2
                  12 October 2015 14: 52
                  Quote: Scraptor
                  What's up with Svalbard? But somehow in 1920 Russia was not asked.

                  In latitude and longitude, it seems, in the same place, but the fact that Grumant is temporarily taxed, since they are already filming TV shows, like their crab, they give up, in general.
                  ps My grandfather, in the 45th, won the Victory, next to Kirkines, but they bargained, well, they are ..., shorter.
              2. 0
                12 October 2015 14: 43
                Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                Hello Friend! fellow drinks

                Hello, boyar! Even, I got stuck, apparently. They’re not friends with their computers, can’t be friends on the phone, but on the lawn, face to face, barbecue, forget for a while, we already have a snowball, seven centimeters, what melted, the earth is warm.
            2. 0
              12 October 2015 16: 00
              did not understand - went to surrender? is this the momentiz of the series?
              1. 0
                12 October 2015 23: 40
                Quote: wasjasibirjac
                did not understand - went to surrender? is this the momentiz of the series?

                No, at Sashka with a soldering iron, what
                Although, the girl in the guard, with a tail from under the helmet, on a horse feel whether to take prisoner, or to surrender yourself love
                Just one of the performances of the royal orchestra
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x87nSL58crc
          2. +2
            12 October 2015 13: 22
            Quote: vorobey
            I was with a soldering iron

            belay
            WHAT did you keep it in ?? sad
            1. +3
              12 October 2015 13: 43
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              WHAT did you keep it in ??


              and then the pens ... feel
              1. +1
                12 October 2015 14: 23
                Quote: vorobey
                and the pens, here they are ... feel

                "Causes antires, here is such a cut",
                well, from 15, to a hundred, which is more effective, al can be more, but again with a "hatchet" what , I’m mostly basically, that is, solder, but it doesn’t matter
                "How are you, there, women go, in pantaloons, or without?"
      2. +11
        12 October 2015 10: 14
        Quote: vorobey
        sorry I’m not invited to the movies ... I would star in the role of an evil Russian

        Somehow I got a picture ...
  3. +9
    12 October 2015 07: 39
    "Occupied."? Peacocks, you say? Heh! ... No matter how the Norwegians really had to invite Russia with the Solntsekys to free themselves from migrants ... They are now 20% of the population there ... And, as it were, there weren't .. There are a lot of people at Abdula .. That's for sure!
    1. +7
      12 October 2015 08: 09
      Ahh, I think we were late ... "Snipes" (kf Destroyer), only chocolate-like, already native Norwegians. Black "Red Eriks" build mosques and demand tolerance for their own. The workers' party after the woman will put forward its "Obama".
      "If the patient wants to live, medicine will not help" ... Yes
  4. +6
    12 October 2015 07: 41
    I do not watch or watch any series. Including this garbage. But I would like to correct Igor slightly: according to the outline of this crap, Russians are occupying Norway at the request of the EUROPEAN UNION COUNTRIES! And not because they liked the high standard of living of the Vikings. Allegedly, Norway began to insert sticks into the wheels of the great European energy security, and the humane Europeans reacted to the impending danger.
    And what's the point of wasting time on this garbage, how would it end? Red Dawn is really funnier. And "The Fall of Olympus" is also more optimistic.
    1. 0
      12 October 2015 10: 34
      Quote: inkass_98
      "Olympus Has Fallen"

      an interesting thing - revised it 2-3 times ... we have to wait for something like this, but now with the evil Russians ... I wonder what "we" have to destroy if the white house has already been demolished ???
  5. +5
    12 October 2015 07: 48
    Honestly, I don’t understand all the hysteria surrounding this series. Well, they filmed somewhere in Norway a series based on their own fears, prejudices and with the addition of some relevant plots. What is our concern? The author of the article himself noted that a whole bunch of such "masterpieces" are released every year (from films to games and anime). And what, do we roll our eyes every time and stamp our feet angrily?
    In my opinion, this should be treated more simply: if the series (movie / game / book) is interesting and of high quality, you need to watch it (play / read) and enjoy it. If this is a base agitation, just pass by ...
    1. 0
      12 October 2015 10: 50
      Quote: Lyapis
      Honestly, I don’t understand all the hysteria surrounding this series. Well, they filmed somewhere in Norway a series based on their own fears, prejudices and with the addition of some relevant plots. What is our concern? The author of the article himself noted that a whole bunch of such "masterpieces" are released every year (from films to games and anime). And what, do we roll our eyes every time and stamp our feet angrily?

      Actually, you need to pay attention to anti-Russian games and series, through them they demonize Russia. In Western shooters and strategies, the aggressors are most often either the USSR / Russia, or North Korea, or China. Why not Germans, not French, not other countries?
      1. 0
        12 October 2015 11: 08
        In Western shooters and strategies, the aggressors are most often either the USSR / Russia, or North Korea, or China.

        Well, actually, everything is logical: the Russians / Chinese / Arabs have always (in one form or another) been opponents of America and it would be strange to imagine a war between the United States and England. About the same as writing a story about the war between Russia and, for example, Siberia (or something like that).
        In the end, we ourselves represent an American little that is not horny devils wink .
  6. +5
    12 October 2015 07: 52
    They need to arrange field shooting. Grab until the end of filming and exit, waiting for the premiere. This will turn out both convincingly and sobering.
  7. Riv
    +5
    12 October 2015 07: 53
    Would like to watch. Translated by Goblin of course ... :)))
  8. +6
    12 October 2015 08: 10
    Norway, and where is it? Ahh this is this little blot ?! Send a tank and a couple of FSB officers there.
    1. +7
      12 October 2015 08: 12
      yes, there’s a patrol of the native Buryat armored cavalry
      1. +2
        12 October 2015 08: 19
        Then only two Buryats from the cavalry armored airborne non-command
        1. +3
          12 October 2015 09: 01
          Yes, I’ll go to the tank myself)))))) on the weekend - because Kalmyk is a bit))))) I will win it and return))))) they have beer there like ????? just tea is not the Czech Republic))))))) well, I'll take Bulbash vodka with me))))) otherwise it won’t be interesting to conquer)))))
    2. +1
      12 October 2015 10: 07
      Quote: cth; fyn
      танк

      !!!!!!танк!!!!!!
      There will be enough UAZs, two, not one ... no - one ... "loaf" so that FSB officers have a place to fry "schnapps" after fishing =)
  9. +3
    12 October 2015 08: 15
    the same brand as T-80

    Maybe all the same, T-90?
    1. +2
      12 October 2015 10: 01
      Actually, the T-72 ...
      1. +2
        12 October 2015 10: 49
        and T-80, and T-72, and T-90, you can also T-34-85 ...
  10. +4
    12 October 2015 08: 24
    The US is destroying the European economy and wants the "indigenous" people to buy bunkers from them.
    In the rocks and the price ... And in the fjords even cooler ...
    Money and greed turn off the mind and turn on fear with agitation. hi
    Yes, and idiots (the Caribbean crisis - CF Blast from the past) alone somehow do not want to be ... laughing
  11. +4
    12 October 2015 08: 32
    “Bad Russians” - this has long been not only fashionable, but also profitable, like any brand

    Why take offense at the Scandinavians? the main thing is to earn. Well, when one of our friends removes something like that, then you can be indignant. And in our country quite often some films discredit historical reality.
  12. +5
    12 October 2015 08: 39
    All these cries about "occupation" are more and more like a request, a desire to change the owner: "Well, occupy me." Like a girl who dreams of being raped.

    And regarding anti-Russian media products, in addition to computer games, you can also add the "Scorpion" series - periodic attacks on Russians and Serbs. There are also sporadic attacks on Russians and Russian equipment in recent American films (example: "Max"). This anti-Russianness is not directed as in "Occupied", but in the background, the person does not even put up any barriers, the American, the European will not even notice it, but will be deposited in his head. Only the Russian will notice and be indignant, and even then not always ...

    And about Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, etc. - you can play, but the parents must explain, educate, so that the child knows: the game is there, but life is here. Either for more interesting and intellectual games of Slavic or European (here 50/50) production. And in general, I noticed that the games from the American continent are more dull, and the Slavic-European ones still try to make a person think at least a little. For example, King's Bounty, Witcher 3, Cossacks, Paradox Interactive games, Mount Blade ... The most striking comparison: Heroes V and Heroes VI, VII: Heroes V was made by a Russian developer, and Heroes VI, VII - by a European one. The difference is obvious ...
    1. +2
      12 October 2015 10: 56
      Quote: Mantykora
      And about Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, etc. - you can play, but parents must explain, educate, so that the child knows: the game is there, and life is here.

      The clearest games ...

      and all parts
    2. 0
      12 October 2015 17: 38
      And I liked the plot in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 :)
      The game begins with the fact that a fierce American special is fighting with the Russians in Manhattan, the bay of which is filled with our fleet :)
      And after the Americans drove off the onslaught on their territory, bacteriological weapons are used in all major cities of Europe and our tanks at Lamanche on the second day :)))
      Che, let them be afraid :)))))))))))

      (leave out of the brackets that perhaps this is impossible)
  13. +4
    12 October 2015 08: 57
    I want to go to the movies)))))) take me)))))))))
  14. +2
    12 October 2015 08: 59
    And now, actually, about bad Russians. They are few. Whether the budget disappoint, or this is the original idea, but the notorious “occupation” actually turned into a raider seizure of certain objects like oil platforms and some administrative buildings. The rest of the Norwegians live a completely normal life and proudly go to all sorts of meetings with national flags. Good Lord, is this an occupation?

    So “bad Russians” is not only fashionable for a long time, but also profitable, like any brand into which a lot of money has been pumped.

    the fact that there was no catastrophe was immediately obvious, just behind the angry hysterical cries there was no important thing visible, the very reasonable voices of many were drowned in panic.

    like six months ago, I repeat, it’s very good that they are afraid of us, it’s very right, that means they won’t climb.
  15. +2
    12 October 2015 09: 23
    Norwegians just want to be remembered about them, well, in the sense that there is such a state.
  16. +1
    12 October 2015 10: 19
    Quote: Riv
    Would like to watch. Translated by Goblin of course ... :)))

    I do not have time to implement many of my plans, there is sorely lacking time. Ugh on their series! I am grateful to the author and commentators for the information.
  17. +10
    12 October 2015 10: 30
    Hmm, but you know ... I (at work, of course, yes) often visit the "West" and communicate with different people, and that's what I noticed. Previously, we Russians were treated with a certain disdain, like the former losers "superheroes" are now forced to look for everything in the "west", and therefore are worthy only of neglect and contempt. We were put on the level of the so-called "white blacks". Those "who are in the subject" know what I mean. And now everything changed overnight. Now they look at us with some apprehension and ... respect. Yes, they scold us, yes, they hate us, but they want to "shit" everything and everyone, but they began to RESPECT us and FEAR and, most importantly, they reproach us for not following some mythical, invented by the liberals " pan-European "," universal "and other" norms ", we are reproached for the fact that we reckon only with our Russian interests .. Moreover, they say that they talk about it with reproach, but in the eyes-ADMIRATION. Do not believe it is admiration! Some Russians are against the whole "world" and do not be afraid! And you know, to me personally, this "hatred" for me and this "fear" of my "unpredictability" are worth much more than the "love" that we tried and tried to get and deserve from them - I feel much more comfortable when I'm afraid and hated than when I was forced to curry favor and grovel to deserve the notorious "love" ...
  18. 0
    12 October 2015 10: 56
    I saw something similar, only the film was Australian about how their North Korea occupied, but it was a film and looked basically easy and without unnecessary pathos and politoty just a good-quality budget action movie. And here Norwegians decided to make money on the situation, and apparently they saved on everything :)
  19. 0
    12 October 2015 11: 11
    Here the point is also that the so-called "European Union" is an amorphous formation, something must be "held together" so as not to fall apart, one of such "fastening" factors common to all EU member states is a mandatory anti-Russian orientation and ideology ... All EU member states must: 1) be afraid of Russia, 2) hate Russia, 3) "crap" Russia constantly and everywhere. For these purposes, on the one hand, the EU allocates certain funding, and on the other hand, the EU member states themselves must "finance it". And this is a must. That is why, from time to time, similar crafts like anti-Russian films, statements, marches and demonstrations, sanctions, etc. appear. Norway is no exception - in order not to be a "black sheep", it is forced to participate in all "anti-Russian" actions to the best of its ability, but is spent she really doesn't want to, so she released this low-budget series with an emphasis not so much on "occupation" but on "psychological" "digging" and "searching" for "heroes". The EU was created precisely on anti-Russian positions and in opposition to Russia and the "anti-Russian" nature of all its policies and ideology, coupled with the "protection" of all sorts of "Balts" and "offended" this is exactly what will always be and expect something else in any, even distant perspective is not worth it.
  20. 0
    12 October 2015 11: 14
    You haven't seen "Last Ship" yet))
  21. +2
    12 October 2015 11: 32
    it was necessary for the Ministry of Defense to troll the Norwegians and offer them to participate in the filming to host the Marines and other military forces of the Baltic Fleet ...
  22. 0
    12 October 2015 11: 50
    Sometimes dreams come true. Reification, such a Norwegian business - it is only necessary to be better, more diligent, then maybe it’s lucky!
  23. 0
    12 October 2015 11: 57
    It's just that we are all very modest because of the dough in their banks. Would you like to shoot the series: "United Europe and the rest house" Auschwitz "" where culturally, on behalf of the head of the concentration camp, they showed how they made bags of people, starved them out of people, pulled out teeth, beat them, gassed them and burned them in ovens, with the same Hollywood scale as they show now the RF. But no, everyone will sit and be silent in a nude rag ...
  24. +2
    12 October 2015 12: 15
    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    Nothing, and they will be cured.


    sorry I’m not invited to the movies ... I would star in the role of an evil Russian ..


    Offer of the century! If so everyone says: "So" bad Russians "have long been not only fashionable, but also profitable, like any brand in which a lot of money has been pumped .." what BRAND talking? what So can we register it? BRAND "Bad-evil Russians"? Let them pay for every statement / written, drawn, etc. all! good Or they will pay (especially the country 404) or be silent in a rag! Well, we’ll either have money from them, or something else .. laughing soldier
    1. 0
      12 October 2015 13: 53
      I agree! They have to pay us a tax for using the evil Russians brand for political purposes. With a decent pay, this trend must not only be resisted, it must be led. Create a mobile acting team at Mosfilm with the appropriate requisites to participate in such projects, and license third-party teams for compliance with brand standards. Keychains, souvenirs, contests :)
  25. +1
    12 October 2015 12: 39
    AK-47, which in reality is not 47 at all, but who cares.

    Yes, here it is, at least as you say, and what has fallen from the cart, you won’t cut it with an ax request

    Kovrov, a city like this, if ... feel
  26. +2
    12 October 2015 15: 18
    All these are their sexual fantasies! But we will not occupy them, let them be so tormented
  27. 0
    12 October 2015 17: 47
    Would join NATO and live in peace
  28. 0
    12 October 2015 18: 50
    Psychopathology pours out into the works of mass culture as from a cornucopia. Children's fears and punishments of strict parents played a cruel joke with the director, etc. And we say that humanism is inherent in Western culture. These are the deeds of bygone days, the traditions of deep antiquity! In fact, Western culture is driven by a perverted subconscious, fear and hatred of their own kind. Recently, by the way, the Americans filmed the film "The Elusive" about how the North Koreans, led by Russian special forces, captured ... the United States.
    1. 0
      12 October 2015 18: 56
      Recently there was a series about how, during the occupation, the Norwegians, together with the British, blew up a factory of heavy water (there were almost no demonstrations with banners), but the Norwegian pornographic actress who ineptly played the secretary in a couple of episodes was filmed - so in the Norwegian media "there was some kind of joy" .. ... laughing
  29. 0
    12 October 2015 18: 58
    Apparently, they really want to live under our occupation. Oh well... fool
  30. +2
    12 October 2015 23: 34
    So what did you want, dear, incest and incest are flourishing in Norway, this is the norm for them! People degenerate, the brain is bad, it has become really bad! Here they are from a bad mind to what they want to spoil!