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Malaysian media: Dutch investigators ignored data provided by Russia about the crash of "Boeing"

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The Netherlands, coordinating the work of the Malaysian Boeing Commission of Inquiry, ignores “comprehensive information that Russia provides,” writes the New Straits Times, which had at its disposal a letter from Oleg Storchevoy, deputy director of the Federal Air Transport Agency, addressed to the leadership of the International Civil Organization aviation.


Buddhist monks pray for passengers and crew members of a crashed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, 20 July 2014.

“Almost two days before the publication of the report on the causes of the crash, the Russian side is clearly not satisfied with the investigation conducted by the Netherlands,” the newspaper quoted the article Look. “Of particular concern to Russia is the fact that one of the basic principles of investigating air incidents — the sequence of conclusions — was ignored.”

According to Storchevoy, “instead of first examining the nature of the damage to the nose of the aircraft and the fuselage, and then making logical and final conclusions, it immediately announced that the airliner was shot down using the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, moreover - from the place that was indicated immediately after the disaster. "

“Storchevoy also noted that the methods for calculating the location where the Buk was allegedly located were not explained. In addition, according to him, the conclusions were made even before the characteristics of the elements that hit the aircraft were established, ”the newspaper writes.

"At two meetings with Dutch investigators information was transmitted from the manufacturer of the Buka Concern Almaz-Antey Air Defense, detailed information on two missiles - 9М38 and 9М38М1, in addition, the test results were provided," the Russian expert quotes the publication.

“However, the Netherlands ignored all the detailed calculations, eventually came to conclusions that contradict common sense and do not correspond to the parameters of the rocket. In particular, according to the investigation, the weight of the warhead was 33 kg, and it was stuffed with 3-4 thousand damage elements, and the weight of each was about 3 g. But this absolutely does not apply to the system "Buk" ” - says the letter Storchevogo.

The newspaper recalls that on October 13 the Netherlands Security Council intends to submit a final report crowning the work of the investigation team during the last 15 months. The report should answer the question of what caused the death of the passenger ship 17 July 2014.
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  1. Pak_c_TonopoM
    Pak_c_TonopoM 11 October 2015 14: 08 New
    89
    Oh, and the murky story with this Boeing ... But how bravely the Dutch are defending the official line of Washington. Looks like there robust "cookies" rolled off)))
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 11 October 2015 14: 12 New
      34
      “However, the Netherlands ignored all the detailed calculations, in the end they came to conclusions that contradict common sense and do not correspond to the parameters of the rocket. In particular, according to the investigation, the weight of the warhead was 33 kg, and it was packed with 3-4 thousand submunitions, and the weight of each was about 3 g. But this does not at all apply to the Buk system, ”Storchevoy's letter says.

      What was to be expected: autumn, a new crop of marijuana was more picky than last year!
      1. kocclissi
        kocclissi 11 October 2015 14: 18 New
        13
        In France, by birik, everyone investigated, everyone found all the perpetrators, a paradox right!
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 11 October 2015 14: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: SRC P-15
          autumn, a new harvest of marijuana was more picky than last year



          So I think, can you tell the story about the Coffeeshop and the Red Light District in Amsterdam again?

          Good for comparing the mentality of Russian and Dutch


          1. avg
            avg 11 October 2015 15: 23 New
            +8
            The mentality and venality of the "Dutch roosters" have long been known, but you have to work with the Malaysians. Perhaps jointly demand the transfer of the investigation under the auspices of ICAO.
          2. Das Boot
            Das Boot 11 October 2015 20: 21 New
            -7
            Quote: bulvas
            So I think, can you tell the story about the Coffeeshop and the Red Light District in Amsterdam again?

            got it. For your information, this is not the main attraction of Amster. Exactly the same as dry closets. Come on, tell me again ... It seems to me that you have never been there ...
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 11 October 2015 20: 33 New
              +7
              Quote: Das Boot
              Quote: bulvas
              So I think, can you tell the story about the Coffeeshop and the Red Light District in Amsterdam again?

              got it. For your information, this is not the main attraction of Amster. Exactly the same as dry closets. Come on, tell me again ... It seems to me that you have never been there ...



              the toilets struck me too

              why are you so nervous?

              seems to me really got you today somewhere

              if so - feel free to merge everything here

              PS

              ... you have never been there ...


              What's so special? This is not Antarctica and not the surface of the moon.

              Maybe Western Europe is exotic for you?

              So feel free to ask

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        2. ZU-23
          ZU-23 11 October 2015 15: 25 New
          +3
          Weak American-Malaysian authorities, if they wanted to, would have already put an end to this investigation with our help.
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      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 11 October 2015 14: 54 New
        +9
        Quote: SRC P-15
        “However, the Netherlands ignored all the detailed calculations, in the end they came to conclusions that contradict common sense and do not correspond to the parameters of the rocket. In particular, according to the investigation, the weight of the warhead was 33 kg, and it was packed with 3-4 thousand submunitions, and the weight of each was about 3 g. But this does not at all apply to the Buk system, ”Storchevoy's letter says.

        What was to be expected: autumn, a new crop of marijuana was more picky than last year!

        Marijuana has nothing to do with it. Amerikos sent coke and bucks. And they put watchmen on. Guess once who will be appointed guilty? am
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 11 October 2015 15: 23 New
          +9
          Quote: GSH-18
          Guess once who will be appointed guilty?

          ... in response to this, RTR reconnaissance data will be sent with negotiations "land and board" and with the position of the aircraft in the sky of Ukraine. And probably some loud leak of agents.
          Well, the Netherlands is waiting for the overproduction of flowers and Christmas trees, so that they themselves will have to chew them ...
        2. Bochik
          Bochik 11 October 2015 21: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: GSH-18
          Quote: SRC P-15
          “However, the Netherlands ignored all the detailed calculations, in the end they came to conclusions that contradict common sense and do not correspond to the parameters of the rocket. In particular, according to the investigation, the weight of the warhead was 33 kg, and it was packed with 3-4 thousand submunitions, and the weight of each was about 3 g. But this does not at all apply to the Buk system, ”Storchevoy's letter says.

          What was to be expected: autumn, a new crop of marijuana was more picky than last year!

          Marijuana has nothing to do with it. Amerikos sent coke and bucks. And they put watchmen on. Guess once who will be appointed guilty? am

          Really Putin? :)
        3. TVM - 75
          TVM - 75 12 October 2015 08: 24 New
          0
          Clearly whom. It just arouses interest - how they will lie and get out, what kind of technique they use. Here it’s just a circus. Everything is clear with the truth. These experts put themselves in an idiotic position.
      6. Sterlya
        Sterlya 11 October 2015 14: 54 New
        +5
        oh well, all these "democrats", it is immediately clear that the truth is not beneficial to them, therefore, the truth will not be in any case
        1. Temples
          Temples 11 October 2015 15: 01 New
          +5
          Why fly over the battlefield?
          There is a war going on, and they are flying,
          Like, we highly and generally do not believe that there is war!
          After they brought down believed?
          Now they are looking for the guilty. Look in the mirror.
      7. Bourgeois
        Bourgeois 11 October 2015 18: 17 New
        +3
        Well, how can this story not be muddy when, in it, the main thing is not the search for truth, but the appointment of the guilty.
      8. captain
        captain 11 October 2015 19: 36 New
        0
        We played according to the concepts, I repeat not according to the law, but according to the concepts.
    2. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 11 October 2015 14: 14 New
      10
      If the mattresses have already appointed the perpetrators, then whatever evidence we provide, it is doubtful that they will be taken into account
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 11 October 2015 14: 28 New
        +4
        Well Duc. "What is your evidence" (Red Heat) laughing
        1. atalef
          atalef 11 October 2015 19: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Gormengast
          Well Duc. "What is your evidence" (Red Heat) laughing

          There are a lot of them, as well as official versions
          1. Boeing shot down su (ukran) (there is a state witness)
          2. Boeing exploded itself (inspected by the CIA) - fake corpses and documents
          3.Boeing shot down Buk (- Ukrainian) (Almaz-Antey)
          4. Boeing - this is generally a missing Boeing (a year ago), and the corpses were thrown from the carrier
          5.Boeing shot down SU and finished off Buk
          So which one is official and which one was ignored?
          1. Shpagolom
            Shpagolom 11 October 2015 19: 30 New
            12
            https://www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MH17-The-Open-Source-Evide
            nce-RU.pdf

            Waiting ... waiting for the report!
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 11 October 2015 20: 48 New
            +6
            You're right. There are more than enough official versions. It is strange that a UFO does not appear. One thing is alarming: when the Ukrainians shot down our carcass over the Black Sea, the Americans immediately gave out the whole situation, and then they play chamomile for a whole year: there is evidence ... there is no evidence ...
          3. Gormenghast
            Gormenghast 11 October 2015 22: 33 New
            +2
            I personally believe that a Boeing shot down a Ukrainian Buk as a result of an unintentional launch of a rocket (operators are nerds). About the same as with the Tu-154 over the Black Sea in 2001.

            Radar Ukrainian Bukov worked at the time of the disaster, which is proven. What could they track if the militia had no aircraft? I think they played with the buttons, or maybe they got drunk and played - that's what they got.

            Option - Ukrainians shot down, but deliberately, in order to create a scandal. Sometimes I start to believe in it (especially when I listen to the next batch of yelling of a chocolate hare, or the wail of an egg).
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 11 October 2015 23: 16 New
              +3
              Radar Ukrainian Bukov worked at the time of the disaster, which is proven. What could they track if the militia had no aircraft? I think they played with the buttons, or maybe they got drunk and played - that's what they got.

              Kaloma blabbed: the wrong plane was shot down. The question is, what did you want? If we take into account that board No. 1 flew to Rostov, but not in a straight line (over Ukraine), but on a different route, moreover, the route of Boeing and Bead No. 1 crossed near Warsaw (well-known facts), it becomes clear which they wanted to bring down the plane.
              1. Gormenghast
                Gormenghast 12 October 2015 08: 26 New
                0
                Well, in this situation, I think already there would be no Ukraine.

                And maybe Europe laughing
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 11 October 2015 15: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
        If the mattresses have already appointed the perpetrators

        they have so much accumulated compromising evidence that it will pour like a river after the coverage of the "falsification" bully
        They just lost a sense of reality. They will remember everything: Kursk, the moon, and the other missing airliner ...
        So, mom do not worry!
    3. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 11 October 2015 14: 15 New
      +7
      The fact that this is not a militia shot down a Boeing is already clear!
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 11 October 2015 15: 48 New
        +3
        For you and me, yes. But we need a conclusion on the fact of the crash. Waiting for.
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 11 October 2015 14: 16 New
      15
      Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
      Oh, and the murky story with this Boeing ... But how bravely the Dutch are defending the official line of Washington. Looks like there robust "cookies" rolled off)))

      In Fashington, the guilty parties have long been appointed, if the whole truth is revealed, it seems that Petrukh will have to be judged with his junta and grunts himself in the dock with his very jamb.
    5. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 11 October 2015 14: 26 New
      +1
      They paid anasha. laughing
    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 11 October 2015 14: 42 New
      +2
      Malaysian media: Dutch investigators ignored data provided by Russia about the crash of "Boeing"

      This was to be expected. The green paper has been received and received by the addressee. request
    7. Homo
      Homo 11 October 2015 15: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
      Looks like there robust "cookies" rolled off)))

      There is rather a different situation. The Dutch were bent down and attached at the back (in line), with a very large argument. The Dutch will behave incorrectly, they will immediately receive the most tonsils (in chorus).
    8. ava09
      ava09 11 October 2015 15: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
      Oh and a muddy story with this Boeing ...


      I don't see anything muddy. The investigation is dragging out and considering the evidence selectively, with one purpose - to hide the true culprit of the crime. It is unlikely that the Netherlands is trying to hide Russia's guilt. I personally do not believe in miracles. Therefore, there are two accomplices - the "democratic" USA and Bandera's Ukraine.
    9. serg1970
      serg1970 11 October 2015 15: 10 New
      +5
      Looks like there robust "cookies" rolled off)))

      They didn’t even fall off, but allowed to take their tons of golden cookies. Invisible hand of the market. La.
    10. Truth
      Truth 11 October 2015 15: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
      But how bravely the Dutch defend Washington's official line

      This topic on VO can be completely closed, for the uselessness and stupidity of explanations, the version of the murder of passengers on this flight ...
      There (over the hill), it is informative to everyone and everything is proved that this eroplan shot down Putin ... what for, they need to try to prove something ... let them die from the knives of "refugees" from Africa and the Middle East ...
      There’s a joke at all: - they gamble crush bugs on the wall when their own house begins to burn ...
      What the Europeans are doing soberly, even drunk Russians, has never entered such a head.
      Amen. I hope the Lord will rightly sort whom into Paradise and whom into Hell ...
    11. papas-57
      papas-57 11 October 2015 15: 39 New
      +1
      "Oh, and the murky story with this Boeing." What a fig for the Dutch, some data transmitted by Moscow. Washington has already appointed those responsible.
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    13. Konstantin 121
      Konstantin 121 11 October 2015 16: 03 New
      +1
      But the Malaysian Boeing was shot down, because Washington was no longer the first to shoot them down. What can Malaysia present to the hegemon. Found the extreme.
    14. meriem1
      meriem1 11 October 2015 16: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
      Oh, and the murky story with this Boeing ... But how bravely the Dutch are defending the official line of Washington. Looks like there robust "cookies" rolled off)))


      And we know how greedy the Boers are !!! Their greed is incomparable! So what about "cookies" may not have been said so! And then ..... Everything is clear anyway! .. Someone's star-striped ears stick out everywhere !!!
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 11 October 2015 18: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: meriem1
        And how many greedy Boers are known
        Boers - residents of South Africa, and the Dutch? or do you remember their ancestors?
    15. Finches
      Finches 11 October 2015 16: 54 New
      +1
      Holland is the same European misunderstanding today as Ukraine! There is nothing of their own: opinions, honor, and conscience! It's just that the orange territory on which they play football well, use drugs, debauchery and hold colorful buggers!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 11 October 2015 20: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Finches
        debaucher and hold colorful buggers!
        1. Finches
          Finches 11 October 2015 20: 39 New
          +5
          You shouldn’t be so! I'm not even homophobic. I am absolutely tolerant of all human perversions, but I am categorically against imposing these bends of human consciousness on others ... So I personally don’t go with a poster that I love women and I don’t prove with foam to anyone that the family is a man and a woman, it’s what is laid down by Nature!
          But the pederasts are too self-centered! Even through the chur - AGGRESSIVELY inspire everyone that the world revolves around their point and they are the ultimate truth! But the worst thing is that all the dark forces use these masters in the world space introducing some other force into the human community for solving your narrow interests! And they do it well, as we see ... Now if you are not a pederast, then it’s difficult to get into politics in the West not only on the movie screen ... And someone controls and promotes all of this!
    16. demo
      demo 11 October 2015 18: 16 New
      +1
      The Dutch are so bravely defending the Washington line because otherwise they will roll away not just cookies, but by cookies.
    17. leo3972
      leo3972 11 October 2015 19: 07 New
      +1
      I'm already starting to dream when their Boeings will just pour in from the sky, maybe then they will understand that Russia has nothing to do with it.
    18. pvv113
      pvv113 11 October 2015 20: 37 New
      +4
      Washington's official version of the Boeing crash was written before the crash
    19. eleronn
      eleronn 11 October 2015 22: 08 New
      0
      Yes nifiga it is not muddy! Everything is clear more than !!!! What disaster has been investigated for a longer time? And this is in the presence of all the source data! Did this Boeing disappear in the Bermuda Triangle?
    20. Baloo
      Baloo 11 October 2015 23: 11 New
      0
      The main Dutchman has a stake in the shell, which is aimed at the slate of the Yuzovsky field. Since oil shale at 80 bucks per barrel is unprofitable, in America this topic is gradually being phased out, wells are shut down, the topic is no longer relevant.
      If the main Dutchman fat is not in gold, but in American bucks, then this is a hopeless case. The main Dutchman is a Macaque slave from Fashington.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 11 October 2015 14: 10 New
    +7
    To make my report public, I suspect that the fake one is waiting for the most spectacular moment.

    The report should answer the question of what caused the death of the passenger liner on July 17, 2014.

    Still there was an answer, who did it. recourse
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 October 2015 14: 12 New
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The report should answer the question,

      Zhenya, there will be no report. It just won't be all.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 11 October 2015 14: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Zhenya, there will be no report. It just won't be all.

        Sasha, I’m xs, it seems that the report was postponed already in the spring. Do they write by hand, or what? request
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 11 October 2015 15: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Sasha, I’m xs, it seems that the report was postponed already in the spring.

          On February 2016. Then 17, ........
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 October 2015 15: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          . Do they write by hand, or what?

          Yes, no, it's just that the report is not high for Ukrainians and Washington, because there will be nothing. Butaforia is all for the public.
        3. SMikhalych
          SMikhalych 11 October 2015 15: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Do they write by hand, or what?

          On their clave, "la" sinks fool
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 11 October 2015 14: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Zhenya, there will be no report. It just won't be all.


        I went to delete my comment .. you before .. laughing


        Quote: vorobey
        Let's wait two days ... it seems to me that something should happen ..
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 11 October 2015 14: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: vorobey
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Zhenya, there will be no report. It just won't be all.
          I went to delete my comment .. you before ..
          Quote: vorobey
          Let's wait two days ... it seems to me that something should happen ..

          Are you both from the shadow government? belay How could I not have guessed before ?! recourse
          1. fif21
            fif21 11 October 2015 14: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Are you both from the shadow government? How could I not have guessed before ?!
            Not these are local hegemons wassat Smart, erudite and rich.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 11 October 2015 17: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: fif21
              Smart, erudite and rich.


              your words, yes, to God’s ears .. especially the last .. laughing for neither mind nor erudition was then inappropriately .. laughing
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 11 October 2015 14: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Are you both from the shadow government? How could I not have guessed before ?!

            The guys have a well-developed "feel" and the sciatic nerve is not pinched. wink
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Do they write by hand, or what?

            No no!
            Everything is creative there, without hands: with boobs, letters and rolls.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 11 October 2015 15: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Papakiko
              The guys have a well-developed "feel" and the sciatic nerve is not pinched


              yes, no, everything just points to fatigue from Ukraine and the beginning of its drain .. the default is close, you don’t want to pay for them, Crimea has already been de facto recognized as Russian, partly the sanctions are being lifted, the reputation is at risk .. is it on one side and what’s on the other?
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              2. Persistent
                Persistent 11 October 2015 18: 02 New
                +1
                - Ukraine, do you still have BUKs?
                Then we fly to you ...
                "Caliber".
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 October 2015 15: 39 New
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              Everything is creative there, without hands: with boobs, letters and rolls.

              And how many millions of bucks is this masterpiece worth?
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 October 2015 15: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Let's wait two days ... it seems to me that something should happen ..

          Actually, Sanya, I proved to Atalef in skype two months ago that there would be no report. He was convinced of the opposite. He is a good man, he has brains, but sometimes naive.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 11 October 2015 16: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            He is a good man, there are brains, but sometimes naive.


            do you want to say that he is a Jew? laughing the magic word has sounded and now out of nowhere ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 October 2015 16: 40 New
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              do you want to say that he is a Jew?

              Not Sanya, he is our Russian, he just lives in a foreign land for a long time. Yes, and the climate there is pullinglaughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 11 October 2015 19: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                do you want to say that he is a Jew? the magic word has sounded and now out of nowhere ...

                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Not Sanya, he is our Russian, he just lives in a foreign land for a long time. Yes, and the climate there is pulling


                Brezhnev years, Zorin interviews Kissanger
                Suddenly Kissanger asks
                -Zorin, you are a Jew
                -I am Russian (speaks Zorin)
                -Then I'm American (Kissanger laughed) laughing
              2. Papakiko
                Papakiko 11 October 2015 19: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                the climate there pulls on raslabon

                Wah-wah, that’s just everything rushing out of it and all this from the climate and raw food diet.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                he is our Russian, he just lives in a foreign land for a long time

                I'm surprised with you, Komrad.
                If the "Atalef" was one of the pipes, I would agree with you.
                But their whole galaxy, it multiplies and their vysery are more beautiful than each other.

                And with the "lecture" .... it's not yet time to crow.
                Will publish (sound) and call it "preliminary-preliminary". wink
          2. atalef
            atalef 11 October 2015 19: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: vorobey
            Let's wait two days ... it seems to me that something should happen ..

            Actually, Sanya, I proved to Atalef in skype two months ago that there would be no report. He was convinced of the opposite. He is a good man, he has brains, but sometimes naive.

            2 days, Sanya.
            Sorry did not argue hi
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 11 October 2015 21: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Sorry did not argue


              you finish these habits .. hi Sanya ...
      3. Karlovar
        Karlovar 11 October 2015 15: 05 New
        +3
        Otsrocku vozmut ... Ili tipa sbit vysokoenergeticeskimi elementami, no kem trudno skazat .... Ves otcet ...
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 11 October 2015 14: 19 New
      +1
      Already got this news about Boeing. The whole world has long known that Russia and the militias are to blame, no other is given. If Ukraine does not recognize the obvious facts about the downed TU 154 and the world is silent, then together with phishington it generally put it on everyone. And everyone will assent to them.
    3. figwam
      figwam 11 October 2015 14: 41 New
      +3
      However, the Netherlands ignored all the detailed calculations, eventually came to conclusions that contradicted common sense and did not correspond to the parameters of the rocket.

      What is the strength in, brother?
  3. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 11 October 2015 14: 15 New
    +5
    the report will be postponed for another year, then another year and then they say that there is not enough evidence and then something pops up but they say they need expertise and so on ad infinitum.
  4. poquello
    poquello 11 October 2015 14: 16 New
    +1
    first study the nature of damage to the bow of the aircraft and the fuselage, and then draw logical and final conclusions,

    Parashenko with the fuselage? But will he raise it?
  5. Reinhard
    Reinhard 11 October 2015 14: 17 New
    +1
    Even a layman understands this! That. that Su couldn’t "climb to the height? They put on oxygen masks! Okay. We went up. How does the rocket fly? Excellent! How does the cannon shoot? Great!
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 11 October 2015 17: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Reinhard
      Even a layman understands this! That. that Su couldn’t "climb to the height? They put on oxygen masks! Okay. We went up. How does the rocket fly? Excellent! How does the cannon shoot? Great!

      So they said, the dispatchers told him to change the train. He stepped aside and fell by 6 thousand.
  6. avvg
    avvg 11 October 2015 14: 18 New
    +4
    What can not be surprised, there is a falsification of the investigation under pressure from Washington.
  7. sl22277
    sl22277 11 October 2015 14: 18 New
    +1
    Not with an "armed" eye it is clear how they want to quickly appoint the guilty. Without particularly understanding, just shove aside this case, which is already "straining" in order .. Apparently, it is impossible to admit the guilt of the Ukropovs, this is a confrontation with Washington. Therefore, the world will not hear the truth soon.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 11 October 2015 15: 23 New
      +5
      Most likely, the Russian special services have all the evidence on Boeing (intercepting negotiations between dispatchers with the board, military boards with the ground, satellite imagery, etc.) ... They are just silent for the time being, they are waiting for a commission from the Netherlands to issue !!! The State Department in front of the fork, it’s very bad for him to tell the truth, to provide the fake, the Russian side will immediately put forward its evidence and then the State Department will look even more dumber, like it is drenched in mud ...
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 11 October 2015 17: 38 New
        +2
        Karlovar! The flight МН-17 flying approached the transfer zone to Russian air traffic controllers, which means that it has already come under the supervision of Russian technical services. In the border area, there is always intensive monitoring of airspace not only in Russia, but in almost all countries of the world. Data on Russia's disagreement on all points of investigation was sent to the Dutch and there are such points of violation of the rules of the investigation that they published about the postponement of the date of the investigation to February 2016. It does not need intelligence data, you can just publish the negotiations between the crew and the dispatching service of Dnepropetrovsk.
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 11 October 2015 17: 47 New
          +1
          Can. But not yet needed. Why reveal trump cards?
      2. Andrey77
        Andrey77 11 October 2015 17: 45 New
        0
        In general, somehow it is. But Ukraine owes too much to the United States ...
  8. Loner_53
    Loner_53 11 October 2015 14: 20 New
    0
    Dutch investigators ignored Boeing crash reported by Russia


    So this, tanned from a mattress, didn’t order, so they didn’t recognize it, they have neither their heads nor their opinions Net.
  9. Denis DV
    Denis DV 11 October 2015 14: 21 New
    +2
    The report will consist of newspaper clippings, it’s just that all this time they translated from English and from English to Dutch what
  10. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 11 October 2015 14: 22 New
    +3
    Ukraine is to blame for not covering the flight zone over the hotbed of conflict.
  11. Petrof
    Petrof 11 October 2015 14: 23 New
    +7
    when Ukraine shot down a Russian plane flying from Israel, the perpetrators were found very, very quickly
    including American satellites have confirmed this.

    what is the problem now? Yes, no, and so everything is clear to everyone, it’s only for the West to point out the guilty party now is politically unprofitable and any of our evidence will be ignored. they don’t need them, but only get in the way
  12. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 11 October 2015 14: 26 New
    0
    Drug addicts cannot be trusted at all, especially an investigation.
  13. Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 11 October 2015 14: 26 New
    +2
    We shouldn't even make excuses, as they say in Russia, "Don't respect yourself with fools"
  14. askort154
    askort154 11 October 2015 14: 27 New
    +2
    Already "presentation of the results of the investigation", again postponed to another date - February 16, 2016!
    It looks like they are pulling rubber in the hope of a change of power in Ukraine or, gradually, completely "blur" this issue.
    The circus has not left, the circus continues.
  15. Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 11 October 2015 14: 29 New
    +1
    To argue with fools, do not respect yourself.
  16. Kibl
    Kibl 11 October 2015 14: 32 New
    0
    Well, answer the question, who in the world is the main specialist in provocations!?
  17. NDR-791
    NDR-791 11 October 2015 14: 38 New
    0
    The Netherlands Security Council intends to submit a final report crowning the work of the investigation team over the past 15 months. The report should answer the question of what caused the death of the passenger liner 17 on July 2014.
    Here we can name the cause of death here with an accuracy of 100 percent - a rocket marked in RUSSIAN. So it will be !!! Well, in dill, the armament of the Union is still here, but for the sale of everything and all of our armaments to third-party warring regions (India-Pakistan) for example. I don’t want at all in the history of the planet to say: - Russia is to blame for this war, because a shell with Russian marking (bomb, rocket) flew in first !!! Is funny NO NOT FUNNY !!! This is exactly what they are trying to push through the Boeing. And it will also be wrong ...
  18. slava5553
    slava5553 11 October 2015 14: 56 New
    +1
    Who would doubt that. Guilty was appointed from the very beginning of the investigation, and not by Holland, but by their curators from across the ocean. Regular sanctions need to be introduced because of something, we just need a reason at all costs, in this case we decided to speculate with other people's lives.
  19. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 11 October 2015 14: 57 New
    +2
    Message from NATO Secretary
    The submarine "Rostov-on-Don" successfully fired a high-precision missile system "Caliber" from a submerged position during tests of onboard weapons systems ...
    We finished, the press secretary said ... "We too" The EU journalists answered repeat
  20. roskot
    roskot 11 October 2015 15: 08 New
    0
    Dutch commission. So far, Psaki did not specify in the office and the Dutch commission did not know anything.
  21. Awaz
    Awaz 11 October 2015 15: 13 New
    +3
    nevertheless, it is already clear to any sane person: if there was anything to pinch the arm of Kräml in this tragedy, for a long time everyone would have told everything shown and all that. Since there is no evidence, try to pull a fly on an elephant. I don’t even exclude that there are people on the commission who are opposed to this. Therefore, everything is so prolonged and it is unlikely that we will know the truth. Although it’s so clear here.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 11 October 2015 15: 50 New
      +2
      The more they drag out the investigation, the more they sign the guilt of the Ukrainian side, indirectly ... But still, such a scenario is preferable for them than to tell the truth ...
  22. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 11 October 2015 15: 16 New
    +2
    By the way, the people themselves who owned the downed Boeing did not think that there was a war going on? why don't they say anything about their responsibility and Ukraine, which has not closed the sky? purely rhetorically.
  23. Arkan
    Arkan 11 October 2015 15: 18 New
    +1
    The tension of the convolutions in botanists is not visible. One gets the impression that the mushroom-eaters are up to the icon lamp, because the decision about the culprit was made long before the disaster. We will wait for them to be issued "on the mountain".
  24. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 11 October 2015 15: 29 New
    +2
    So let’s look at Geyropa ... How their prosecutors and investigators are politically independent ... This is the moment of truth ... Since there would be controversial, but evidence of the guilt of the militias, now Carla del Ponte would issue arrest warrants, and so ... hi
  25. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 11 October 2015 15: 38 New
    +3
    Everything is fine. But why exactly ** Malaysian Airlines *? Two Boeing with a good residual resource to lose is a lot for a year. There is no competition. To understand who compensated insurance companies for airline payments and passengers-answer the question -Who is the customer to understand if compensation has passed or not, you need to be an economist and track the financial reports of the airline and insurers And if the reports this is confirmed, you need to be a banker to track the movement of capital (compensation) But these data would be cool slaughter in the press.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 11 October 2015 16: 01 New
      0
      In Malaysian airlines, most likely, a large share of Chinese capital, because in Malaysia in general 60% of the economy is controlled by the Chinese ... So think about who the Yusovites are fighting with ....
  26. voronbel53
    voronbel53 11 October 2015 16: 07 New
    +2
    All sober-minded people already know that the 404 country is to blame, and in what way, these are the details - with a beech or air-to-air missile from a fighter, or both at once. The commissions are also known, they just don’t know under what sauce to present this to the world public - they will not tune in to shave. And to tell the truth - to many it will seem indigestible. Here it is painful and rushing between two fires, although if it produces a result, it will be politicized and far from the truth - they would prefer to cast a shadow over the wattle fence. Unless our specialists have trump cards in their pockets, truth cannot be pulled out of the commission ...
  27. SPIKER
    SPIKER 11 October 2015 16: 58 New
    0
    This is a muddy story, so let them figure it out for themselves !!! They rush with this "Boeing" like a sack !!! The RF Ministry of Defense knows the reason and the participants in the crash, the "hollanders" don't need it, they turn up their faces, so let them They are going through the forest !!! Everyone absolutely crap, and we "twitch" !!!
  28. sounddoc
    sounddoc 11 October 2015 17: 04 New
    +3
    To become a real Dutch aircraft expert, you must constantly wander in the clouds ...
  29. afrikanez
    afrikanez 11 October 2015 17: 09 New
    +1
    It is completely unclear why the investigation of the disaster was sent to Holland? There, what are the best specialists in such matters? They are not taken to consider the conclusions of our experts, they are simply ignored. The question is, how long can it go on at all or is this investigation endless? On the part of Malaysia, I would have long laid claims to the investigators.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 11 October 2015 21: 05 New
      +1
      The question is, how long can it go on at all or is this investigation endless?
      Until marijuana ends in Holland!
  30. NDR-791
    NDR-791 11 October 2015 17: 20 New
    0
    I don’t want at all to say in the history of the planet: - Russia is to blame for this war
    I quote myself. And for the third time now, I don’t understand the backing track on the topic of my indignation at the sale of our weapons. Call yourself, that one, tell me your reasons! Or are you just a quiet guy? Without your opinion?
  31. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 11 October 2015 17: 21 New
    0
    We somehow constantly forget that Holland is not only cloves, it is a classic Western country, it was just at one time a result of uneven development, the UK bypassed it and stripped it as far as it could, but if anyone is interested, they can familiarize themselves with the practice of Dutch colonialists, Dutch collaborators, as well as multinational companies, Holland is a classic element of NATO, simply not the largest.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 11 October 2015 17: 49 New
      -1
      Benelux countries are on your mind, like Turkey. Although formally everything is in NATO.
  32. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2015 17: 59 New
    0
    apparently there will be problems above the roof, they will blame Russia and no one will be interested in the truth, most likely they will demand to deprive a permanent place in the Security Council
  33. Longmire
    Longmire 11 October 2015 18: 20 New
    0
    and why they should take into account the opinion of the interested party is also not clear. And it was engaged in the supply of air defense of the Russian Federation and, as it were, the settlements in the Donbass were from "vacationers".
  34. Temer
    Temer 11 October 2015 18: 24 New
    0
    No, well, what did they want? So that the 3,14 endosolises say that Krain is to blame?
  35. ssn18
    ssn18 11 October 2015 18: 50 New
    0
    C.T.D. (Which was required to prove) When the ball is ruled by a buck & coke, the brain rests. And normal people have the urge to vomit.
  36. Gomel
    Gomel 11 October 2015 19: 43 New
    0
    the further in the father-in-law there is more firewood.
    It seems that everything will end with the recognition that there was no Boeing
  37. Alexander 67
    Alexander 67 11 October 2015 20: 00 New
    0
    Where in the actions of the Dutch investigators with interest is consistency. A little more than a day after the disaster, the head of one of the largest states in the world (the United States) named the reasons and those responsible for this disaster. This happened for the first time in more than a century of aviation history. Further, the British Prime Minister duplicated these accusations. So these "cleaners", or investigators, consistently carry out this task.
  38. vit
    vit 11 October 2015 21: 00 New
    +1
    What was to be expected: autumn, a new crop of marijuana was more picky than last year!

    Yes, no ... they’re familiar with marijuana, so it won’t hook. 100 pounds Ukrainians threw them that they themselves smoke! belay
  39. shosha
    shosha 11 October 2015 21: 46 New
    0
    Dutch investigators ignored data provided by Russia

    How this is all predictable, but it is not known how it will all end ...
  40. kostavit
    kostavit 11 October 2015 22: 38 New
    +1
    In our Donbass, already small children know: who brought down Buk and from which ... But the holes in the bow appeared 4 days after the fall. Our militia guys do not know how to control Buk. Logic should be included for commentators.
  41. DMB3000
    DMB3000 11 October 2015 23: 11 New
    0
    Quote: ZU-23
    Weak American-Malaysian authorities, if they wanted to, would have already put an end to this investigation with our help.

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  42. Lunic
    Lunic 11 October 2015 23: 19 New
    0
    Quote: "according to the investigation, the weight of the warhead was 33 kg, and it was filled with 3-4 thousand submunitions, and the weight of each was about 3 g."
    Question: What rocket do these characteristics belong to? Somebody knows?
    Of all the Air-to-Air missiles that I could find, only 2 have a warhead mass of 33 kg.
    PL-10 and PL-11. Both are made in China ...
  43. bashkir
    bashkir 11 October 2015 23: 42 New
    +1
    It will be so. Russian militants, ... no, not that, Russian anti-aircraft gunners hit a plane !!!! This is a fact, in YouTube everyone saw it!
    1. asar
      asar 12 October 2015 00: 20 New
      +1
      Ruslan! Good fellow countryman!
      The truth about this "Boeing", as well as about the other "Boeing" that disappeared "somewhere", we will learn, I'm afraid, not soon! If we find out anything at all! Maybe our children will know, who knows ?! Or maybe - only our grandchildren!
      This is a kind of "indistinct", like "September 11", like the assassination of Kennedy ...!
      Although they know everything that really happened, until the true culprit is hanged (shot, drowned in shit, torn by horses ...) the case will not be closed!
      It will not be closed to most of the inhabitants of the Earth!
      But when will this happen, when the "masters of life", what is behind the "puddle", sit down, be shot, trampled ...?
  44. kostavit
    kostavit 11 October 2015 23: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Lunic
    Quote: "according to the investigation, the weight of the warhead was 33 kg, and it was filled with 3-4 thousand submunitions, and the weight of each was about 3 g."
    Question: What rocket do these characteristics belong to? Somebody knows?
    Of all the Air-to-Air missiles that I could find, only 2 have a warhead mass of 33 kg.
    PL-10 and PL-11. Both are made in China ...

    Give a link to the investigation, the current is not to the deputy head of the Federal Air Transport Agency Oleg Storchevoy. Can you use Google? There is also a Japanese lighting parachute bomb weighing 33 kg))
    1. Lunic
      Lunic 12 October 2015 00: 22 New
      0
      the fact of the matter is that apart from links to the letter of Storchevoy there is nothing on the Internet yet .. We will wait a couple of days before the publication of the report.
      It’s just interesting to me, if everyone (both Almaz-Antey and over the hill) screams that they shot down Buk, then why then the mass of the expected warhead (again, from Storchak’s letter with a link to the Dutch preliminary report) does not coincide with the TTX of Buka? What is this all about?
      1. kostavit
        kostavit 12 October 2015 01: 01 New
        0
        This means that many people need to remove the noodles from their ears ... A preliminary report does not mean that the aircraft was hit by a rocket, and even more so which one.
  45. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus 12 October 2015 02: 03 New
    +1
    All this "investigation", which lasts more than a year, looks more like red tape, apparently the scenario provided to the Dutch from the US does not fit in any way and the falsification of facts does not work. So they postpone the announcement of the results every time, fearing to make themselves look like idiots. But in fact, they have already shown everyone that something is wrong here and they look pretty stupid.
  46. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 12 October 2015 04: 56 New
    0
    A muddy investigation, the same will be the report !!! To force the beggars to pay the families of the victims with dill means to "drive" them over the red line of default. "Friends" will not allow.
  47. Wolka
    Wolka 12 October 2015 05: 26 New
    0
    Malaysians should have long ago initiated their own case to investigate the death of their Boeing in Ukraine and establish cooperation with Russian specialists = experts, including Almaz-Antey, the manufacturer of the Buk air defense missile system, and Russia would protect the interests of the investigation, the Yankees and the EU even did not stick ...
  48. mamont5
    mamont5 12 October 2015 06: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Pak_c_TonopoM
    Oh, and the murky story with this Boeing ... But how bravely the Dutch are defending the official line of Washington. Looks like there robust "cookies" rolled off)))

    Or threatened with a "finger"? Or maybe THAT and ANOTHER together?
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  50. Monetniy
    Monetniy 12 October 2015 08: 16 New
    -3
    There is such a video is very ambiguous, but worth attention. And I do not exclude that the Russian military could bring down