KamAZ has built a multi-wheeled tractor in the interests of the Defense Ministry

Rossiyskaya Gazeta published video footage of multi-wheeled rocket tractor tests developed by KamAZ as part of the Platform project.

According to the newspaper, referring to the bmpd blog, “the Kamsky Automobile Plant is working on the creation of a highly mobile modular heavy-duty platform on the instructions of the RF Ministry of Defense with 2010 of the year.”

Earlier, the blog reported that the first closed presentation of 3's prototypes was held at the Army-2015 forum. According to the blogger, they were “a tractor with a wheel formula 8х8, a platform KAMAZ-78509 with a wheel formula 12х12 with a load capacity of 50 tons and a KAMAZ-7850 with a wheel formula 16х16 with a load capacity of 85 tons.

It was also reported that the presented machines are designed to replace heavy trucks of Belarusian production, in particular, the Minsk wheel tractor plant.

Comments

[APASUS]

As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.

[Baikonur]

Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!
And then surely this "batska" presses this question on our Supreme!
Moreover, KAMAZ - CAN!
SHOULD!
IMPORTANT!
NEED TO!

[Darkmor]

Do not rejoice ahead of time.
These tractors, rather, are a foundation for future developments, and not a complete replacement for the Minsk units.
I read that our tractors use various innovations that will have to be brought to mind for a very long time.
For example, they use individual electric motors for each wheel (in the video, pay attention to how all the wheels turn in different ways, allowing the car to enter the curve more smoothly and at a sharper angle). In theory, such a machine can generally drive sideways.
We have never done this in our car industry, and as a result, there are a lot of flaws and shortcomings that still have to be addressed.
Over time, this can result in breakthroughs in a completely different wheeled vehicle.
But now we have only shown a prototype (perhaps to the dad's head to filter our bazaar), but so far we can’t refuse to cooperate with Minsk.

[Mitek]

Darkmor, nice to read a competent opinion. Thank! But there should be a potential replacement for Minsk cars. Lukash he is like a weather vane. For him, one-power is important. And to save it, he will do anything.

[Conductor]

Quote: Алексей_К

Whether for export we will sell tractors in a row. American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable. Our cars and tractors are not quoted abroad.
By the way, Belarusian heavy vehicles are also not needed by anyone abroad. They have enough of their own and agricultural products are not needed there. So the Old Man will have to keep up with Russian politics. And if it starts licking the back seat to the NATO and the EU, the gas can be increased in price or the valve can be tightened altogether.

But nothing, they are exported to the UAE, Turkey, China, Egypt, Slovakia? These countries did not know that

No one needs Belarusian heavy vehicles abroad either

[Sukhoi]

But nothing, they are exported to the UAE, Turkey, China, Egypt, Slovakia? These countries did not know that

This is you most likely about VOLAT and various civilian equipment. But I have not heard about the export of Astrologers. They are really not needed by anyone, except Russia, tk. only we have the right "cargo" for them. And now, as a replacement for them, KamAZ is being created. Well, the old MAZs and the bankrupt KZKT will also be written off.

[wow]

Yes, but father resembles a too-cunning worm, which got entangled in an apple and bit itself on its own ass.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Darkmor

But now we just showed a prototype

ROC "Platform-O":
16x16 platform with 85 t lifting capacity - near Yars, Topol-m
12x12 platform with 50 loading capacity t - P-26 boundary?

They write, Old Man wanted to sell his plant in Russia for 5 billion dollars, ours figured out and goes out - a new modern plant will be built for a billion.

[UREC]

No options - build your own !!!

[Saratoga833]

This father can at any time betray Russia, so the transition to his native domestic platform is a very right decision!

[veksha50]

Quote: Darkmor

But now we have only shown a prototype (perhaps to the dad's head to filter our bazaar), but so far we can’t refuse to cooperate with Minsk.

Convinced ...

And left at the same time joy and bitterness in the soul ... It seems that we can ... BUT - in exclusive versions ... But in the series to drive - until we can ...

Anyway - or even more so - thanks ... You really need to consider all things ...

[dvina71]

Quote: Darkmor

We have never done this in our car industry, and as a result, there are a lot of shortcomings and shortcomings that can be solved for a long time

Come on? And they didn’t do trawl? How so?
Electric wheel drive is not so much news.
But the separate control of the wheels .. yes it is .. strong. Good luck to the plant.

[Conductor]

Quote: APASUS

As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.

Of course he wants, because the MZKT is the main competitor whom they cannot wait to absorb.
Most importantly, Platform-O is a chassis with electric motor wheels, and such a scheme carries a bunch of disadvantages
Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the complexity of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures
Such a chassis also has problems with overcoming fords, it is unstable to an electromagnetic pulse, etc. Many of these problems cannot be solved in principle, while others require a long study.

Therefore, it is not surprising that the Platform-O chassis, which has been developed since 2010, require "such investments" and never made it to the state tests, and the military doubts its reliability.

[Genry]

Quote: Explorer

Platform-O is a chassis with electric motor wheels, and such a scheme carries a bunch of disadvantages
Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the complexity of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures
Such a chassis also has problems with fording, it is unstable to an electromagnetic pulse, etc.

Large radiation in IR ???
What radiates? The engine generator is the same, the tires are the same. Electric motors in wheels add 10% (about) to the heating of the wheels, which does not change the picture. The absence of a gearbox and transmission reduces overall heat generation and fuel consumption by 30%.

Humid climate?
It is only necessary to seal the electronics, as well as for all equipment (filling with resin, oil or ...).

Low temperature?
Electric drives have less vagaries to lubrication (no transmission). Control electronics can have thermostatic stabilization.

Difficulty in overcoming fords?
Hinting at electronics? In vain !!! Electric motors in wheels, only better will be cooled in high power mode. Yes, such a machine will not be allowed to cross the ford - it will break in half, like a long ship at high waves.

Electromagnetic pulse?
It will be rare to meet. If the crew survives, then some of the electronics blocks will need to be replaced (spare parts from the shielded box).

[Amurets]

Genry! I want to add from the experience of operating electric locomotives of alternating current. It is enough to close the electronics with massive aluminum casings with rubber gaskets and immediately solve the problems of shielding and cooling and sealing of the blocks.

[Locksmith]

Quote: Explorer

Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the complexity of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures

But the whole world didn’t know, that’s the trouble ... Why are all kinds of electric motors shoved in vain in water, they say they are better cooled, and the infrared spectrum, well, I don’t even know what to say, apparently the problem with physics is from open sources for a long time It is known that a system consisting of a heat engine loaded on a generator is not only economical (an example is the most powerful CATs and BelAZs), but it is also noticeably less heat-loaded, and therefore it emits less.
Motor wheels have only one significant drawback so far - it's expensive, everything else is just a plus
Let me remind you of the well-known - extremely high resistance to undermining and defeat by small arms - the affected wheel simply shuts off, the cardan bent onto the frame will have to be picked out for a long time
Almost absolute all-terrain vehicle - the moment is distributed by the computer to the wheels, this automatically determines high fuel efficiency - there is no need to "dig" the ground under a loaded wheel when locking differentials

EMP resistance is determined by the design, not the principle of use, in this chassis there is a lot of equipment that can "die" from EMP, and somehow they do not steam, everything is in order, despite the ancient chassis, who the fuck will need it CORRECT after exposure to the EMP chassis without his load ?? !!

[go]

[Quote]
Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the difficulty of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures [/ quote]

Physically not true. The electric motor just heats the space much less than the internal combustion engine. Somewhere at 20% of the energy invested, while ICE at 70%. That is, ICE emits heat 50% stronger. In addition, the exhaust is also hot. So the electric motor is much better in this sense, so they are also working on such platforms in Europe and the USA.

Another thing I don’t understand why they strained KAMAZ, maybe there is a BAZ in Russia, the cat makes good tractors. It is only necessary for them to help with R&D.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Explorer

never got to state tests

There are currently GI platforms. So far in Bronnitsy there is only the 8x8 truck tractor. The remaining products will fit GI gradually over the course of 2's, 3's months.

[Rusich is not from Kiev]

Quote: Explorer

Of course he wants, because the MZKT is the main competitor whom they cannot wait to absorb.

Comrade, why do you think some auto giants absorb the other smaller ones, and they gladly agree to this? There are market laws in which only large enterprises can survive. Old Man by his obstinacy and stupidity just destroyed MTZK that's all. He had already buried many enterprises there.

Quote: Explorer

Therefore, it is not surprising that the Platform-O chassis, which has been developed since 2010, require "such investments" and never made it to the state tests, and the military doubts its reliability.

Apparently you are one of these military men.

[Alekseev]

Quote: Baikonur

Moreover, KAMAZ - CAN!

And even more so, is that in addition to KamAZ in the Russian Federation there are also BAZ and KZKT.
Using the common potential is a completely solvable task.
As for the dull speeches of the Old Man, he is often contradictory and not adequate. Although, of course, a socialist and patriot.
Even dragging his young Kolya always with him speaks of a certain form of schizophrenia.
The defense industry complex, even in the issue of production of army vehicles, should be domestic.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Alekseev

Even dragging his young Kolya always with him speaks of a certain form of schizophrenia.

Somewhat not a topic, Dear colleagues, but "Kolya's topic" really leaves a feeling of some kind of unhealthy situation, especially after the photo with Obama.

Somehow I misunderstand this.

[Saratoga833]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

Somehow I misunderstand this.

And what is there to misunderstand? Lukashenka really wants to be in the spotlight of ALL! Be a kind of "Sensei" (that is, a teacher for everyone)!

[asiat_61]

KZKT --- NO.

[Ermak]

There is no KZKT anymore ... the shopping center is there now (((...

[ava09]

Quote: Baikonur

Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!

Any two-edged sword ...-) Before tearing up the achievements, you need to calculate the consequences and be sure that you will not help your hysteria to turn Belarus into a second Ukraine.

[Rusich is not from Kiev]

Quote: ava09

Any two-edged sword ...-) Before tearing up the achievements, you need to calculate the consequences and be sure that you will not help your hysteria to turn Belarus into a second Ukraine.

And here there is simply no way out. We Luka made a great offer. We buy a plant, invest money in equipment, design bureaus, and despite the fact that all this remains in Belarus, it means taxes and jobs. Any normal president would bow at our feet, and he says 5 lard come on.
This excuse is just the limit. I had to do my own, although it is very unfortunate. To invest these amounts in the MZKT would have gained time, plus they certainly have their own achievements.

[asiat_61]

By the way, in Kurgan there was a factory of wheel tractors, they produced MAZ. Now there is no factory, ousting Old Man.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Baikonur

Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!
And then surely this "batska" presses this question on our Supreme!
Moreover, KAMAZ - CAN!
SHOULD!
IMPORTANT!
NEED TO!

And there was a long conversation about replacing father’s wheelbarrows. Bryansk makes part of the tractors. KamAZ against the MZKT: Lukashenko made a mistake claiming that Russia has no money and no brains. In August, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that Russia would not be able to invent its “centipedes” - wheeled chassis and tractors for transporting missiles. While the Russian Federation uses the development of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant. Today, Russian KAMAZ responded to the head of the neighboring state. Work on them has been carried out by KAMAZ since 2010 on the instructions of the Russian Ministry of Defense. They are called upon to replace the wheeled platforms of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT), which today carry Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Russian chassis differ from their comrades in that all of their wheels are swivel, and the principle of electric movement - “motor-wheels” - is used.

Answer Lukashenko

The video appeared only a few months after the statement of the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko, who, when visiting the MZKT, said literally the following: “We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its“ centipedes ”and will transport nuclear warheads on its own and on health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent it. ”

The fact is that since 2013 Russia and Belarus have been negotiating the corporation of the first enterprise supplying platforms for the transportation of Topol and Yars. Minsk insists on investing at least three billion dollars, Moscow insists on reducing the amount.

At the same time, no one has canceled the rearmament program of the Russian Armed Forces, and Russian missiles need tractors and platforms, but getting them, it turns out, depends on the mood of the Belarusian president. That is why, apparently, the higher-ranking officials hurried KamAZ. After all, the work has been going on for a very long time. Until today, Platform-O was called the “ghost platform”, since no one had ever seen the developments live. There were rumors of a closed show on the first day of the Army-2015 International Military Technical Forum, but there was no confirmation. Http://riafan.ru/430789-kamaz-protiv-mzkt-lukashenko-oshibsya-utverzhdaya-c
hto-u-rossii-net-deneg-i-mozgov /

[Saratoga833]

Quote: sgazeev

If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent it. ”

And does he have both in sufficient quantities?

[My doctor]

Quote: Baikonur

Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!
And then surely this "batska" presses this question on our Supreme!

Right, it's time. But it would be better if you closed your market for Belarusian products. Show how cool you are.
Well, if in essence then the MZKT itself is forced to give up positions. It is impossible to develop a platform for requirements that are not known. To transfer to the enterprise of another country requirements for the chassis for the complex under development, this should be notified in advance to the third aside at least about the mass and dimensions of promising weapons.
It is sad that the years do not make us closer to each other but alienate, but apparently so destined. It remains only to try not to become enemies, but it seems you do not get used to one more one less.

[Saratoga833]

Quote: MyVrach

It’s sad that the years do not make us closer to each other but move away

Russia has absolutely nothing to do with it!

[Rusich is not from Kiev]

Quote: MyVrach

Well, if in essence then the MZKT itself is forced to give up positions. It is impossible to develop a platform for requirements that are not known. To transfer to the enterprise of another country the requirements for the chassis for the complex under development, this is to inform the third party at least about the mass and dimensions of promising weapons in advance.

So what prevents you from selling the plant in Russia? Pride? Why the Swedes sell their plants to Chinese women, and you UNDERSTAND THAT the MZKT works for Russia's strategic interests. You do not need jobs? Modern production? The whole world is enlarging, globalization, only Luke wants to invent a bicycle. and the funniest thing is to blame, according to you, Russia.
Why didn’t Dad let MAZ and KAMAZ merge? Yes, KAMAZ would be the main one, since it has a bigger market and invests money from it. This is a common process to increase competition will unite. Now there is no MAZ, and KAMAZ did not receive an enterprise where it was possible to establish good truck tractors and bring them to the market. Dad is out of your mind.

Quote: MyVrach

It is sad that the years do not make us closer to each other but alienate, but apparently so destined. It remains only to try not to become enemies, but it seems you do not get used to one more one less.

The sad thing is that Dad is ruining his industry with his own hands while getting into debt to Russia and transferring only to agriculture. Like it or not, and Russia in fact is the only country the consumer of your product.
Well, with you, we definitely won’t be friends, which is very good.

[My doctor]

Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev

The sad thing is that Dad is ruining his industry with his own hands while getting into debt to Russia and transferring only to agriculture. Like it or not, and Russia in fact is the only country the consumer of your product.

I say this is FATE.

[78bor1973]

And here is why KAMAZ, there are more qualified ones, we have factories, the same BAZ for example!

[self-propelled]

Quote: APASUS

As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.

“... Russia will not wait for the implementation of the“ five integration projects ”, in particular, it will not get control over the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT), Alexander Lukashenko said on August 14 when visiting the state-owned enterprise.
"..." We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its "centipedes" and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and to health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent! ”Said Lukashenko.
Lukashenko is sure that there is no replacement for MZKT products in Russia, as well as replacement for MTZ products. He urged to work more actively in the Russian market, to keep it ... "
in how. it turned out that Russia has both money and brains for such projects. it remains to wait for serial production

[SRC P-15]

I think, with the release of KAMAZ trucks, the purchase of Belarus will not stop. Most likely, our tractors will go for new missiles, and Belarus will replace them with old tractors that have already exhausted their resources.

[avt]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

I think, with the release of KAMAZ trucks, the purchase of Belarus will not stop.

Of course not. What fright is it to tear alive? Again, the KAMAZ trucks must be brought to mind, tested, and only then put in a series. And this is not a matter of one day.

Quote: self-propelled

“... Russia will not wait for the implementation of the“ five integration projects ”, in particular, it will not get control over the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT), Alexander Lukashenko said on August 14 when visiting the state-owned enterprise.

Well, in general, it’s correctly noticed with a quote from Batsky, where did the legs come from ... rather, the wheels of this line of tractors have grown.

Quote: Good Me

Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

This cat is called the "Union State", or rather Father's ambitions and resentment that the Kremlin has no dear to him. What to do - has a desire to buy a house, but does not have the opportunity, has the opportunity to buy a goat, but has no desire, but just to drink for that he doesn’t want to match his desires with his possibilities. He wants to be equal to Putin and other Players of the Great Game. , in order to stay afloat and be useful to the World and the City.

[avia1991]

Quote: avt

in the Kremlin in the throne room the throne is ONE and even a throne stool is not set up by the protocol

... and even a simple stool, with a large thumbtack sticking out in the middle - is also not provided!
So many years have passed - and Old Man will not calm down .. and where he climbs ?! Neither its metal, nor oil, nor gas, nor ... much more - but AMBITSY II! No less than Merkelsha’s!

[Eugene-Eugene]

There are three options for the development of events:
1) The development insures the defense industry against possible surprises with the supply of Belarusian tractors. But this is unlikely: the car was made from 2010 year, spent a lot of money. Yes, and take time to deploy their production at home.
2) KAMAZ tractors will go to the troops in parallel with the purchase of Belarusian;
3) in my opinion the most likely scenario: after the completion of current contracts, Belarusian tractors will no longer be purchased, but Minsk will be asked to reorient their existing production: A) to produce components for KAMAZ tractors or B) to assemble KAMAZ tractors from Russian components with production secondary nodes. In any case, in this scenario, the most complex and expensive sites will be produced in Russia.

[bmv04636]

they wanted to combine Kamaz with Maz, but the Old Man said no, and got an answer

[Saratoga833]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

But this is unlikely

Unlikely? An example of Ukraine does not mean anything?

[Eugene-Eugene]

read carefully

[Amurets]

SRC P-15! The need for platforms is very high. Not only as missile carriers. With the loss of Kraz, we lost the production of platforms for the engineering forces, for the airborne forces and other branches of the armed forces. So competition is competition, and in connection with the rearmament, there are a lot of cars in the army

[Temples]

Lukashenko speaks as if they took the bulbash themselves and created the MZKT.

After the collapse of the USSR, the great and mighty Lukashenko took over and created the production of cars and tractors !!!
This is not the whole country under the name of the USSR with its human potential restored the industry after the war, but personally Lukashenko and it was in the dashing 90s !!!

So the "backward" Russia is demonstrating its technology. Like? Lukashenko, what do you say? Do you still think there is no replacement?

[AID.S]

He did not create, yes, but he retained and developed, and did not tear it apart.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Temples

Lukashenko speaks as if they took the bulbash themselves and created the MZKT.

Aha! A new klikuha went into circulation - bulbashi! In the regiment of "paddling pools" with "pasta" additions!

[Rusich is not from Kiev]

Quote: Bayonet

Aha! A new klikuha went into circulation - bulbashi! In the regiment of "paddling pools" with "pasta" additions!

This is a normal word, just like b and crest. So our great-grandfathers called each other and no one was offended. Do you have tolerance?

[Bassman]

Quote: Temples

Lukashenko speaks as if they took the bulbash themselves and created the MZKT.

Quote: Baikonur

Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!

Why is there so much contempt and gloating towards Belarusians? We ourselves are destroying friendship and trust between us, not at the state level but on a personal level. We are with you.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Bassman

We ourselves destroy friendship and trust between us, not at the state level but on a personal level. We are with you.

Just many of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova are few, they have nano-zombie parts in their heads.

A tractor will be built, of course, but not quickly and more expensively 2-3 times

[Good me]

Quote: self-propelled

“... Russia will not wait for the implementation of the“ five integration projects ”, in particular, it will not get control over the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT), Alexander Lukashenko said on August 14 when visiting the state-owned enterprise.
"..." They scare us that Russia, they say, will invent its "centipedes" and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and to their health! If they have today the brains and money that they do not have - let them invent it! " Lukashenka said.
Lukashenko is sure that there is no replacement for MZKT products in Russia, as well as replacement for MTZ products. He urged to work more actively in the Russian market, to keep it ... "

in how. it turned out that Russia has both money and brains for such projects. it remains to wait for serial production

On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

If money, then is it time to learn how to interact mutually beneficial?

Or ... (I drive this thought), But father went in the footsteps of Yanukovych?

[Samurai3X]

A cat called the Soviet Union? Who invented the BSSR and the USSR? Then saw them separate republics?

[Amurets]

Lenin and Stalin had to exile their comrades-in-arms into an honorable exile somewhere, so they invented republics

[SteelRatTV]

KAMAZ (after the fire) will have difficulties with serial production for a long time, but "small series" is not a problem. There is such a subdivision - STC (Scientific and Technical Center). The same one that supplies KAMAZ trucks (sorry, "manual" assembly) to Paris-Dakkar.

[Good me]

Quote: SteelRatTV

KAMAZ (after the fire) will have difficulties with serial production for a long time, but "small series" is not a problem. There is such a subdivision - STC (Scientific and Technical Center). The same one that supplies KAMAZ trucks (sorry, "manual" assembly) to Paris-Dakkar.

It is worth recalling, so, for a general understanding of what we have lost ...

The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ...

[avt]

Quote: Good Me

It is worth recalling, so, for a general understanding of what we have lost ...

The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ...

Is there anything that is actually kapokotnik, and it’s quite concrete for the very one that went to the USSR with the KAMAZ nameplate, was developed from scratch at ZIL in Moscow ??? And then the decision of the government was transferred with giblets to KAMAZ?

[Good me]

Quote: avt

Is there anything that is actually kapokotnik, and it’s quite concrete for the very one that went to the USSR with the KAMAZ nameplate, was developed from scratch at ZIL in Moscow ??? And then the decision of the government was transferred with giblets to KAMAZ?

Well, somehow, between design and release, there is a slight difference ...

There is nothing "extraordinary" about this. Common practice of cooperation. In addition, the newest auto giant was under construction in Naberezhnye Chelny, which became the pride of the USSR and Russia.

And WHERE ZIL(factory) delhi? ? ? ... This is already a question, and not to Soviet party members and bureaucrats.

[Samurai3X]

Well, ZIL was not thrown in the trash. Now MOSAVTOZIL LLC has been deployed at its base, where they build lighter trucks and other platforms. It is enough to go to the ZILA website and see the line of cars.
PS In St. Petersburg, I rarely saw them, but in Moscow they are decent, because spare parts are always at hand. And in Yaroslavl too. This is about beautiful pictures with the actual absence of the cars themselves in production.

[Good me]

Quote: Samurai3X

Well, ZIL was not thrown in the trash. Now MOSAVTOZIL LLC has been deployed at its base, where they build lighter trucks and other platforms. It is enough to go to the ZILA website and see the line of cars.

I entered the query "ZIL plant now" into a search engine, and I got this:

http://www.fresher.ru/2011/11/02/zabroshennyj-zavod-zil/

And what you call a "line of cars", TEARS across the country and with the potential that the company WAS (until recently) capable of.

[Samurai3X]

2011 d. This is even before the signing of the contract itself with Sberbank. Through simple brain strains, we can find the source of LJ
http://mmet.livejournal.com/2011/10/20/
3 spent minutes. 2011 year. Is there something fresher?

[Amurets]

It was not our time that was to blame here, but the seventies and eighties. Then the Central Committee decided to build new plants outside of Moscow. We didn’t have time to take out the ZIL from Moscow to the region. Those ZIL-170 engines that I had to face had easily solved problems if there were spare parts. http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/article/photo_gallery/. This is a link to the magazine Truck Press number 645. The article is called: Meditations under the hood of ZiL. On the problems of domestic engine building.

[Rusich is not from Kiev]

Quote: Amurets

It is not our time that is to blame here, but the seventies and eighties. Then the Central Committee decided to build new plants outside of Moscow

On the contrary, I must say thanks to these people. Only downs, they make such enterprises in megacities, and even capitals.

[avt]

Quote: Good Me

Well, somehow, between design and release, there is a slight difference ...

Do not remember about MAZ? Well already, you can find the rest in details.

Quote: Good Me

But WHERE ZIL (factory) Delhi? ? ?

ZIL? In Moscow and a branch in Smolensk? As a self-sufficient plant with design bureau KILLED. Actually like AZLK ZIL territory is planned for development.

Quote: Good Me

And what you call a "line of cars", TEARS across the country and with the potential that WAS (

Yes, there is no ruler, but

Quote: Samurai3X

. spare parts are always at hand.

this is not what it was ..... Alas!

[Samurai3X]

Alas, what needs to be deployed at KAMAZ facilities.
And one should not forget that ZIL provided almost the entire USSR. Those. the population is 2 times larger than in the Russian Federation.
Here many, like children, jump and repeat the recitative "I want it as it was!" Although this will no longer be.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Good Me

The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ...

And the first MAZ in YaAZ ....

It is foolish to rejoice in strife with Belarusians and Ukrainians.
It seems like a ball on the court we bring the balls.

But, seriously, even in a single country, competition between plants was not stifled.
GAZ, MAZ, KRAZ, Miass, ZIL ... how many different miracle cars were produced. And all the developments were used. And due to the fact that the factories took into account the real possibilities of production as much as possible, the price of equipment by today's standards can be said to be meager.

Oh, someone would see to it that KamAZ, MAZ, BelAZ, and GAZ are with contracts filled with state interests.

And Old Man ... he has already done so much good that ambitious statements could be forgiven him.
Moreover, in principle, he did not do anything anti-Russian.
And our oligarchs have nothing to open their mouths on someone else's loaf.

[avt]

Quote: Sergey S.

And the first MAZ in YaAZ ....

Yes . It’s also a fact - the bear was changed by the government’s decision to the bison. Indeed, KrAZ is also from Yaroslavl.

[kil 31]

Quote: avt

Quote: Sergey S.

And the first MAZ in YaAZ ....

Yes . It’s also a fact - the bear was changed by the government’s decision to the bison. Indeed, KrAZ is also from Yaroslavl.

About this back then, the Yaroslavl resented. We will only build a factory and launch a great truck in a series. All transport equipment and everything else to the neighboring republic. And so several times. Upstairs they said one thing about questions. It is necessary to help the Union republics so that they have the same industry. They quickly forgot who built them these facilities, which they are proud of.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: keel 31

About this back then, the Yaroslavl resented. We will only build a factory and launch a great truck in a series. All transport equipment and everything else to the neighboring republic.

In those years, no one thought that Belarus was a different republic.
And the fact that after the war on the territory of Belarus there was almost nothing industrial left was a fact.
Belarusians should not be reproached with factories.
They served the Motherland honestly, and did not prejudice the Motherland.
And in Yaroslavl, the plant was redesigned (with new equipment) to produce excellent diesel engines of the YaMZ family.
So it makes no sense to cling to this action.

[Saratoga833]

Quote: Sergey S.

that he didn’t do anything anti-Russian.

Oh oh How do you like the non-recognition of Crimea as Russian? How do you like the approval of the broadcasting of the Ukrainian TV channel to Belarus? How do you like Lukashenko’s refusal to create a Russian military air base in Baranovichi? And there are more than a dozen such examples. Not an enemy to us Lukashenko, but not a friend whom you can rely on!

[Sergey S.]

Quote: Saratoga833

How do you like the non-recognition of Crimea as Russian? How do you like the approval of the broadcasting of the Ukrainian TV channel to Belarus? How do you like Lukashenko’s refusal to create a Russian military air base in Baranovichi?

Words and deeds should not be confused.
Joining Crimea Old Man did not condemn.
What is not recognized is not fatal for us.
As for the air base, I'm not at all sure of its necessity.
Moreover, the concrete strips of Soviet airfields are in good condition and are not sold at country houses.

I would be careful about the dad.
Let him maneuver, at the same time maintain some kind of internal political balance, without provoking anti-Russian actions of the "opposition".

I am sure it will be famously, Belarusians will support us.
... Otherwise, they cannot survive as a state ...

[anti-Semite]

their "opposition" is as anti-Russian as our own, by the way, today in Belarus they rallied with the EU flags with old Belarusian and Russophobic chants

[Bassman]

I absolutely agree with you! I applaud while standing

[Bayonet]

Quote: Good Me

The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ..

In 1968, by order of the Ministry of the Automotive Industry of the Soviet Union, the ZIL plant was entrusted with a difficult task. The designers had to create a whole family of heavy-duty three-axle diesel tractor trucks and prepare them for production somewhere in the new plant. On April 1969, 200, an order was also issued to develop power units, that is, engines based on four-stroke engines with a capacity of up to XNUMX horsepower.
The design department began work on new and fairly promising cars immediately after the work on the ZiL-133 gasoline car was completed. As a prototype abroad, hoodless and bonnet analogues were purchased for testing. Most of all, Soviet designers liked the American truck International from the 220 series. It is possible that the choice of this model played a role in the fact that the chief designer was already familiar with the cars of International.
A cabless assembly of the car with a comfortable cab, a fairly powerful diesel engine, a pneumohydraulic amplifier, a 5-speed gearbox equipped with a front splitter that makes it a 10-speed, the braking system is the most modern at that time, the appearance of a locked center differential. The quality of the new truck was not in doubt. It was a truly revolutionary step in the production of trucks in the Soviet Union.
Already in 1969, in May, the first prototype of the car, called the ZIL-170, appeared. The first tests of the car took place on a site called Uglich-Rybinsk. At the same time, a government decree was adopted on the construction of a whole complex of various plants that were needed for the production of a new family of trucks.

[Amurets]

Bayonet! Can I add? It was in 1968 that the decision was made to leave the experimental production, design bureaus, and special production of cars on the current territory of ZiL in Moscow. This I read in the magazine Truck Press excerpts from the book, if memory serves, AMO; ZiS; ZIL in the memoirs of veterans .

[Bepduct]

The first KAMAZ was developed and assembled on ZIL!

[ivshubarin]

and MAZ and KRAZ, in turn, are YaAZ

[cosmos111]

Quote: SteelRatTV

... The same one that supplies KAMAZ trucks (sorry, "manual" assembly) to Paris-Dakkar.

and KamAZ trucks of the "Platform" project will be hand-assembled and ... they do not need a conveyor ...

the "Platform" project, this is the "Voshchina-2" project, which was built in the 90s by KamAZ at BAZ ...

In 2005, according to the requirements of the main ordering departments of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Bryansk Automobile Plant began to carry out the preparatory stage (approval of technical specifications, definition of performers) OKR Voshchina-2 to further improve technical specifications, maximize unification and expand the range of chassis and tractors of the Voshchina-1 family.
At the beginning of the 2008 of the year, the plant began to carry out the development of Voshchina-2, but in October of the same year the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stopped financing these works.t, as well as the Natural Research Institute, within the framework of which a standard-sized series of hydromechanical gearboxes for Voshchina-2 was developed.
http://русская-сила.рф/guide/army/tr/baz6909.shtml

"A representative of the Brahmos company expressed surprise at the lack of proposals from the Russian manufacturer of military wheeled platforms - the Bryansk Wheel Tractor Plant (BZKT, formerly the plant was called BAZ). Most likely, this is due to intrigues in the field of Russian military vehicle development programs. According to unofficial information, As a result of lobbying efforts, KamAZ “pulled over” the financing of the program for the development of a next-generation wheeled platform. that meets the conditions for the deployment of a coastal anti-ship complex with Brahmos missiles. "
http://www.gruzovik.ru/forum/22/106/172/

[cosmos111]

a prototype BAZ-69096 chassis at a fashion show in Bronnitsy, 10.06.2011 year ...
load capacity BAZ-69096 33 tons ...

77P6 launcher on the BAZ-69096 chassis from the S-500 air defense system
http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/mx118, http://militaryrussia.ru

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Good Me

On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

Putin once said that the Russian defense industry was 100% independent, which means we must produce everything ourselves, including tractors.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Good Me

On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

If money, then is it time to learn how to interact mutually beneficial?

Or ... (I drive this thought), But father went in the footsteps of Yanukovych?

Old Man goes his own way, and Old Man himself is a cat. Do not put Russia below the baseboard in the automotive industry. No need to blackmail Russia.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Алексей_К

Old Man goes his own way,

Old Man wanted to sell the MZKT for three billion, but he was not given so much and began to make all kinds of statements, here is business and nothing more.

[mich]

It would be better if he offered potatoes in exchange, sat quietly sorted out and did not hum in the direction of his only ally! Everyone must do their job!

[veksha50]

Quote: Good Me

On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

Lukashenko’s unstoppable craving for dictatorship and narcissism, which is increasing every year ...

Do you think mentally it is normal to carry a small kid (and now he is already a decent big-ass accelerator) in military uniform with him throughout government events and parades ??? And what kind of nutcase will degenerate from this kid, who was prepared for the "throne" from the age of five ???

But father all the time - even speaking of a joint Russian-Belarusian state - saw himself in this union only as the first person ... Absolutely forgetting the difference in the weight categories of Russia and Belarus ... This, it seems to me, played an unenviable role in our joint relationship ...

And the people ... What the people ??? I treat Belarusians with love and respect, and I treat them ... I had many Belarusian comrades in life, and not one of them in difficult situations failed or betrayed ...

[Good me]

Quote: veksha50

And what kind of nutcase will degenerate from this kid, who was prepared for the "throne" from the age of five ???

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Good Me

Quote: veksha50
And what kind of nutcase will degenerate from this kid, who was prepared for the "throne" from the age of five ???

Good analogy, Dear Good Y.

[Bayonet]

Quote: veksha50

Lukashenko’s unstoppable craving for dictatorship and narcissism, which is increasing every year ...

Habit is second nature!

[Amurets]

Maybe someone is already tired, but I write again, for the sake of the dad, we ditched the tractor plants in Lipek and Vladimir, the Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant, the production of medium-power engines at the AMZ, and a number of projects. Sergey Stepashin, when he was in 1999 Prime Minister, he was at the AMZ and he was shown the new line of automobile and tractor engines. There were engines for the VAZ, for the Oise and Gaza. Moreover, the past even run tests. The conclusions of the VAZ were positive for the line of passenger diesel engines. After a month, Stepashin for some reason was released from premiership, and our ICE production programs suddenly cease. It was in 1999. Putin is being appointed in his place.

[skeptic]

Quote: Good Me

On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

Naglosak. You never know what they can promise father, and simply help him leave in another world. Where is the confidence in the complete loyalty of another government?
Everything that is essential for Russia's defense capability should be produced at home. But the buttons can also be ordered on the side.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Good Me

On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians?

So after all, what a cry stood here - DO ALL BY YOURSELF !!! Here we are.
According to the OKR "Platform-O" three types of machines are created:
KAMAZ-78504 - a truck tractor with an 8x8 wheel arrangement for towing trailed systems weighing 90-165 tons and a ballast tractor with an 8x8 wheel arrangement for towing trailed systems weighing up to 75 tons;
KAMAZ-78509 platform with a 12x12 wheel arrangement with a loading capacity of 50 t;
KAMAZ-7850 platform with a 16x16 wheel arrangement with a loading capacity of 85 t.
http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/295634-ocherednaya-novinka-opk-novye-sha
ssi-dlya-rvsn-created-dannye-pao-kamaz.html

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bayonet

According to the OKR "Platform-O" three types of machines are created:

Alexander Grigoryevich! You can set at least 100 minuses, but we will do the tractor ourselves!

[veksha50]

Quote: self-propelled

in how. it turned out that Russia has both money and brains for such projects.

But father does lose his last brains, and with them the state-friend and his independence ...

And then he put a pig with an air base in Baranovichi ...

PS It was disgusting to look at the photographs as he kisses the pope’s hand ... It’s like the enemies of Russia (NATO, the USA and other crap) - to lick your ass ...

And ours ... ours - was late for an appointment with dad for almost an hour !!!

Feel the difference...

[Bayonet]

Quote: veksha50

. It was disgusting to look at the photographs as he kisses the pope’s hand ... It’s like the enemies of Russia (NATO, the USA and other crap) - to lick your ass ...

Dad over politics. Compare it with the NATO ass is not worth it.

[veksha50]

Quote: Bayonet

Dad over politics. Compare it with the NATO ass

The Vatican has never stood OVER politics ... Or, more precisely, stood OVER Western politics and directed it ...

Mussolini created modern fascism (in the twentieth century) not in Rome, under the supervision of the papacy ???
But the Italians, in the majority, are very faithful believers, and the pope for them is the viceroy of God on earth ...

And this dad directed the actions of Mussolini and his student, who surpassed his teacher, Hitler, if not directly, then indirectly ...

And the subsequent years of the development of mankind ... The papacy, a bullshit about the world, quietly stirs up wars in the same world ...

The papacy has always had an extremely provocative, treacherous policy, and it always acted only in the interests of its own or a handful of frostbitten, but richest gray cardinals of a world level ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: veksha50

The papacy, the doldon of peace, is quietly fomenting war in the same world ...

Have you been to the Vatican? I’m sure not. And I was there last year and did not see the "warmongers". Wonderful ancient monuments, St. Peter's Cathedral, museums - I've seen. I saw the Swiss guards, but they do not pull on the "arsonists"

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: self-propelled

"..." They scare us that Russia, they say, will invent its "centipedes" and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and to their health! If they have today the brains and money that they do not have - let them invent it! " Lukashenka said.

Lukashenko thinks that to create such a tractor you need to be seven spans in your forehead what’s called, maybe this would be a problem for Ethiopia or Congo, but for a country that builds space rockets, 4th generation submarines and 5th generation fighters, this is not a problem.

[Rus2012]

Quote: self-propelled

in particular, it will not gain control over the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant OJSC (MZKT)

It is worth looking at the shareholders of Kamaz PJSC -

KAMAZ PJSC (Kama Automobile Plant) is the largest complex of enterprises for the production of heavy trucks and automobiles, tractors, diesel engines and components in Russia and the CIS, located in Naberezhnye Chelny (Republic of Tatarstan).

It is among the 10 of the world's leading companies for the production of heavy trucks, occupies the 8-th place in the world in terms of diesel engine output.

The process chain group includes 13 of the main subsidiaries. 12 of them are located in the city of Naberezhnye Chelny of the Republic of Tatarstan.

THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMPANY

Car factory
KAMAZ-Metallurgy, PAO
Kama foundry
Kama Forge Plant
Kama Automotive Plant
PJSC Kama Press and Frame Plant
PAO KAMAZ-Diesel
ZAO Remdiesel
PJSC "Trade and financial company" KAMAZ "
PJSC Neftekamsk Automobile Plant (NEFAZ)
PJSC Avtoprailer-KAMAZ
Dealer center "Avtosila"
PJSC "KamazTechService"
KAMAZautotechnics LLC
PJSC Kamazinstrumentspetsmash
PJSC Kama industrial park "Master"
KAMAZ-Finance LLC
PJSC KAMAZ-Capital
Scientific and technical center "PJSC" KAMAZ "
The main production facilities of the plant are located in the industrial zone of Naberezhnye Chelny. In Neftekamsk (Bashkortostan) buses are produced.

KAMAZ PJSC is a full-cycle enterprise combining metallurgical, forging, press-and-frame, mechanical assembly, special engineering and tool production with all the necessary energy and auxiliary facilities as part of 16 specialized plants in the Russian Federation and CIS countries, of which 9 - in Naberezhnye Chelny.

In addition to development and production, the company is engaged in service maintenance of trucks and cars, domestic and foreign trade and other activities.

The unified production complex of the KAMAZ group of organizations covers the entire technological cycle of production of trucks - from the development, manufacture, assembly of vehicles and automotive components to the sale of finished products and service support.

KAMAZ PJSC has assembly plants in Vietnam, Iran, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, and North Korea. The assembly is made entirely from components supplied from KAMAZ.

Production

KAMAZ PJSC produces a wide range of trucks: trucks (more than 30 models, more than 400 models, right-hand drive vehicles), trailers, buses, tractors, engines, power units and various tools.

The KAMAZ-740.60 – 360, KAMAZ-740.61 – 320 and KAMAZ-740.62 – 280 engines comply with Euro-3 international environmental standards.

MAJOR SHAREHOLDERS

49,90% - State Corporation for the Promotion, Development, Production and Export of High-Tech Industrial Products “Russian Technologies”
45,65% - CJSC NSD, NPO
20,81% - AUTOINVEST LIMITED (AVTOINVEST LIMITED) (Cyprus)
11% - Daimler AG, Germany

GUIDE

General Director - Sergey Kogogin
Chairman of the Board of Directors - Chemezov Sergey Viktorovich

[Rus2012]

but the latest known data from the wiki -
Shareholders of the plant as of November 1 2014 of the year [12] [11]:

49,9% of the shares are owned by the state corporation Russian Technologies;
20,81% controls Avtoinvest Limited / Autoinvest Limited;
15% is owned by Daimler (the stake in 10% was sold to Daimler by Troika Dialog for $ 250 million at the beginning of December 2008, another 5% was acquired at the end of October 2014 from EBRD);
4,25% is owned by KAMAZ International Management CO., LP;
3,72% is controlled by KAMAZ Financial Leasing Company LLC;
2,73% is owned by Decodelement Services Limited.
At the same time, KamAZ has many minority shareholders (over 76 thousand individuals) [13].

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Rus2012

49,9% of the shares are owned by the state corporation Russian Technologies;

If this is true, then it is bad that the state does not have a controlling stake.

[veksha50]

Quote: Rus2012

15% is owned by Daimler (a 10% stake was sold to Daimler by "Three dialogue" for $ 250 million in early December 2008 years, another 5% were acquired at the end of October 2014 from the EBRD);

Eh, a little earlier Sber would have swallowed this three ... Then these shares would belong to the state (more precisely, to the Bank with state participation) ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Rus2012

MAJOR SHAREHOLDERS

49,90% - State Corporation for the Promotion, Development, Production and Export of High-Tech Industrial Products “Russian Technologies”
45,65% - CJSC NSD, NPO
20,81% - AUTOINVEST LIMITED (AVTOINVEST LIMITED) (Cyprus)
11% - Daimler AG, Germany

Um ... 49,9 + 45,65 + 20,81 + 11 = 127,36 %

Forgive me, but when such unreliable information comes, can you trust her ???

But about the last 20,81% and 11% - you need to think ... Yes, and it is not clear - 45,65% - NSD CJSC, NCOs - that’s what you need to deal with urgently !!! What non-profit organization can be in a clean industrial business structure ???

[Rus2012]

Quote: veksha50

Um ... 49,9 + 45,65 + 20,81 + 11 = 127,36%

he noticed ... but the data of BusinessOnline - http://www.business-gazeta.ru/company/48/
Maybe they have a different calculation - taking into account minority shareholders -

At the same time, KamAZ has many minority shareholders (over 76 thousand individuals)

National Settlement Depository (NSD) - Russian non-bank credit organization, the central depository of Russia, a professional participant in the securities market engaged in depository activities.

[veksha50]

Quote: Rus2012

Russian non-bank credit organization,

But that sounds bad - NPO ... So I fell for her ...

But with interest - definitely - some rubbish ...

[ssn18]

"... as well as the replacement of MTZ products."

And here But father either whistles or not in courses. MTZ is assembling the so-called Chelyabinsk tractor kits.
And whose engines on the MZKT?

[Amurets]

Power units are manufactured by YaMZ and TMZ Yaroslavl and Tutaevo. YaMZ-870 and YaMZ-880. And various modifications of diesel engines 150/180, series V-2; V-55 and other tank diesel engines manufactured by the Ural Turbo-Motor and ChTZ Engine Plant. This workshop is not a workshop you name it.

[Warm Padded Jacket]

so father will crash between 2 chairs, like Yanukovych, we must prepare for the confusion of goods)))

[SteelRatTV]

Troshki "out of topic": "Russia rejected Ukraine's plan for debt restructuring" http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1546496/ "... the national Indian dwelling. It's called Figwam!"

[veksha50]

Quote: APASUS

As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move But father from our market, since such investments in the new platform

But father a couple of months ago, at a briefing, spoke bluntly and rudely about Russia ... The conversation was just about the production and sale of these tractors ...

It’s a pity, I didn’t have a link ... But, in general, in the yard company for such phrases they immediately give to the bread slicer ...

So it’s not for nothing that KAMAZ took up this matter, and apparently did not start developing it yesterday, since the truck problem was long overdue ...

Well done KAMAZ! Another brick in the wall of defense and independence of the country!

[Ezhaak]

Quote: APASUS

Kamaz wants to move Father from our market

Not at all. Most likely, Belarusians are not able to lay out so much of everything that the Russian Ministry of Defense really needs. And you need a lot for various purposes. Probably. Plus, it is not known what will happen tomorrow.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: APASUS

As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.

This is not Kamaz wants, this is President Putin wants it. Lukashenko is very moody. And in fact, why give crazy money for the manufacture of tractors, which we ourselves can do. Serving them is also worth the money. And in Russia, people will be busy in production. Automotive science will evolve. Some pluses. Yes, and Old Man will reflect on his foreign policy.
And if he wants to Europe, which is unlikely to be, an example of Square is very close.

[Basarev]

Great news from KAMAZ! This is a sober sober hit Old Man. And then he considers himself unique and irreplaceable.

[Shadowcat]

All right. Just Old Man a little can not be determined. Of course, the ponyas are their own country, but thanks - the rake two years ago was already caught a second time (The first was 25 years ago).
It’s better to be safe.

[mich]

Quote: ShadowCat

own country

Precisely noticed colleague! It’s time to rename Belarus as a principality, because for a long time there is no border between the interests of the state and the interests of the family you understand who, and as you know, the power in the feudal estates is transferred only by inheritance ... therefore this decision is not a stone to the side of Belarus, but only the desire to protect yourself from the next comeback of the chairman of the Republic of Belarus

[anti-Semite]

so there is an "opposition" against Russia, so we don't have much choice

[Shadowcat]

All right. Just Old Man a little can not be determined. Of course, the ponyas are their own country, but thanks - the rake two years ago was already caught a second time (The first was 25 years ago).
It’s better to be safe.

[plahish_alex]

once such tractors were produced at KZKT, in all the known years the plant was bankrupt and sold out

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Warm Padded Jacket

so father will crash between 2 chairs, like Yanukovych, we must prepare for the confusion of goods)))

That's it! The old man is already an old one, and how many kids he does not carry with him, after leaving the old man, we get a second Ukraine, I have no doubt about that. This should be prepared in advance.

[maiman61]

I don’t absolutely believe Lukashenko! It's time to completely abandon their products, let you down at any time! This is the second Ukraine.

[Good me]

Quote: maiman61

I don’t absolutely believe Lukashenko! It's time to completely abandon their products, let you down at any time! This is the second Ukraine.

It is good that there is no third ... Otherwise, the repetition of the failure in the "first", confirmed by the "confusion and vacillation" in the "second", would suggest the insolvency and indecision of our foreign policy towards the former members of the USSR ...

[SOLGA]

as the saying goes - hoping for a dad, but don’t go wrong)

[Приговор]

Alas, there is no hope for him. The cunning painfully became an ally towards us.

[Juborg]

Perhaps this would not have happened, but my father began to twist the pretzel out of habit and poke us with his nose in the guno, with the words "where are you going?", Bending down completely I will tell you about the divine (not partner) price of the product. And he categorically rejected the offer to enter the concern with the subsequent modernization of production. Apparently the Russian Federation will switch to its own burdens, after all the tests. Judging by the video, it turned out well, but one "BUT!", Truckers are not happy with the KAMAZ vehicles themselves. At the expense of "BAZ" for breakdowns I have no information. The only thing that is known about the "BAZs" is that inside, as well as outside, they were cut down with a stone ax.

[kodxnumx]

A normal topic that they could not do before!

[Very old]

As I understand it - Dad, do not cast your eyes to the West ...

[Denis DV]

Inspire, pull the tomayok

[veksha50]

Quote: Denis DV

Inspire, pull the tomayok

YaRS - all the more, it’s about one and a half times lighter ...

[ssn18]

Count the number of axes of Poplar and Yars.

[Arkan]

It was also reported that the presented machines are designed to replace heavy trucks of Belarusian production, in particular, the Minsk wheel tractor plant.

It seems that father backfilled, import substitution is evident.

[Amurets]

I don’t know what’s being done? I had my own plant in Kurgan, it went bankrupt 5 years ago. For the sake of KAMAZ or something for the sake of the father. So Lukashenko has long oriented the MKZT on the production of Volat heavy and super-heavy tractors and trucks. It seems from the middle of 90 years of the last century. And the KZKT missile carriers were no different from the Minsk MKZT. Yes, and in appearance KAMAZ is not much different from the MKZT and KZKT. That's where you have to dig into the accounting chamber for the dough cut, and Lukashenka’s participation in this cut. And let him not boast that they created it. All this equipment was created in US and the 21st Research Institute in Bronnitsy.

[veksha50]

Quote: Amurets

I don’t know what is being done? There was such a plant in Kurgan, it went bankrupt 5 years ago.

We have a lot of things that have gone bankrupt and destroyed ... A whole powerful country - the USSR, and no one has taken any responsibility for this ... There, the bastard is still giving autographs, marked with autographs, and the other is sometimes only painted over a monument with paint ... And - all !!!

And you - about "some" plant ...

PS And 5 years ago there were no sanctions and Lukashenko didn’t blackmail Russia so ...
So these sanctions somehow, but poked the government in the face of the table and made you think: "What have we done ???" ...

[Amurets]

This is not some kind of plant, but the only one in Russia and they knew that the collective farm chairman was turning his back. The Ministry of Defense, the military-industrial complex, Putin demanded that Kudrin pay off the debts to the plant. But Kudrin was once again struck by an attack of the "Dutch disease". the plant went bankrupt. You are right that many unique enterprises were destroyed. We sold the Amurelectropribor plant for scrap metal. The Chinese themselves dismantled the equipment. So recently a friend went there, the Chinese invited him to repair something there. So This plant, which worked at the ASZ, the Komsomolsk Aviation Plant, is now supplying the Chinese army and navy with instruments at full capacity.
You are right that there were no sanctions, but Lukashenko had a financial stress and he tried to get a loan from Russia by any means. I don’t remember exactly, but it seems that at that time they imposed sanctions against Lukashenko.

[veksha50]

Quote: Arkan

It seems, father turned around backwards, import substitution is evident.

Hmm ... And the ass was replaced ???

[Arkan]

And the chairs on which this jo .. wants to sit, and the ban on ribbons of St. George and much more can be seen from Russia.

[company7777]

Soon we will probably see Yars on the basis of Kamaz !!!

[Ai yai]

Recently there was a similar article, only there Lukashenka's reaction was added! Something like "let them do it if they have enough brains and money"

[avt]

Quote: Ay Yai

Recently there was a similar article, only there Lukashenka's reaction was added! Something like "let them do it if they have enough brains and money"

The pride is closed, and he said angrier -

Quote: self-propelled

"..." They scare us that Russia, they say, will invent its "centipedes" and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and to their health! If they have today the brains and money that they do not have - let them invent it! " Lukashenka said.

Oh how! Well, it turned out that there was money and it was spent not on lending But father, but quite for himself on the development of the car, although it was possible to dispose of otherwise. At the expense of brains, it also worked out, to be honest - it was not easy at KAMAZ and it is not a finished product yet - they will bring it up. But again, without Butcher. What does Yen say to that? Well, probably - "They are bending us down!" "We are a state government!" Well, in general, the chants are well learned by us - tired.

[veksha50]

Quote: Ay Yai

Recently there was a similar article, only there Lukashenka's reaction was added! Something like "let them do it if they have enough brains and money"

At that moment, many bashfully bypassed it, the article remained practically with a zero rating ... And all because to throw mud at friends and allies ... But it didn't come from us ...

[EXVI]

Let the men raise the brand! This is my own, and most importantly, not from behind the hill and does not care what they copied! My opinion!

[Ah1ll]

Alexander G. said that we could not have invented such a miracle for about 15 years! Our answer is already driving. After 15 years, they will not even remember the Minsk hardships.

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: Ah1LL

Alexander G. said that we could not have invented such a miracle for about 15 years! Our answer is already driving. After 15 years, they will not even remember the Minsk hardships.

Invent !!? It can be put into series, because the best practices for tractors at least eat some booty.

[Ah1ll]

“We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its“ centipedes ”and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have brains and money today, which they don’t have, let them invent it! ”Said Lukashenko, addressing the director of the state enterprise and the group of officials accompanying him.

Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1952292.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.
No need to cling to words! You perfectly understood the thought! And if our kamazs go into the series, then surely not today and not tomorrow and not by pike command. This will take more than one year! This is not firewood to carry!

[Amurets]

There are good books and they are called like that; Secret cars of the Soviet army. Cars of the Red Army 1918-1945 and Cars of the Soviet Army 1945-1991.

[gfs84]

Fig yourself in 8-axis maneuverability all axles controlled 16ws obtained)))

[Hello]

The turning radius of the 8-axle seems to be smaller than on the Zhiguli. Or not?

[gfs84]

The turning radius of the 8-axle seems to be smaller than on the Zhiguli. Or not?

The MZKT-79221 (with six controllable axles) has a turning radius of 18 meters, it is unlikely that two additional axles have reduced this parameter for KAMAZ to Zhiguli 5 and a half meters. But it's still impressive when such a "carcass" can unfold on the "heel" a little longer than its length)

[Alekseits]

Daddy show off father. Well, they all consider Russians for complete idiots, they say they can not do anything without us. It's a shame even.

[Uzer 13.]

KAMAZ has all the technical capabilities to create such a tractor; for a long time it was necessary to deal with such matters. In vain Lukashenko boasted, he had no monopoly on production, and his competitors were serious.

[Amurets]

We have always been engaged. Since 1950, KZKT has been producing such equipment. I will not even give links. You drive "kzkt rusichi" into the search engine, see what he produced before 2011 and who bankrupted him.

[Romanenko]

Very cute "kids", in some ways they probably duplicate the products of the MZKT, but I don't think they are completely. Nicely, now it's up to mass production, otherwise the work at KAMAZ is not good, and you can keep jobs for these cuties, and taking into account the program of armored cars, it may even add.

[kil 31]

We also have Bryansk. If two plants will work. We will completely cover our needs, and maybe we will sell for export. In short kirdyk dad.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: keel 31

We also have Bryansk. If two plants will work. We will completely cover our needs, and maybe we will sell for export. In short kirdyk dad.

Whether for export we will sell tractors in a row. American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable. Our cars and tractors are not quoted abroad.
By the way, Belarusian heavy vehicles are also not needed by anyone abroad. They have enough of their own and agricultural products are not needed there. So the Old Man will have to keep up with Russian politics. And if it starts licking the back seat to NATO and EU members, then gas can be increased in price or the valve can be tightened altogether.

[Vadim237]

Even as they buy, and at the expense of American and German engines are more compact and reliable - this can be argued.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Vadim237

Even as they buy, and at the expense of American and German engines are more compact and reliable - this can be argued.

The Americans in 1970 planned to install diesel engines 1 hp on their first Abrams M1500, but installed a gas turbine 1500 hp The Germans put 1977 diesel engines on their Leopards from 1500.
There are still no such powerful engines on our tanks. So far, they only say that they will put diesel 14 hp on the T-1500, but so far there is no such engine in our army, now the 14 hp engine is on the T-1100.
Argue, do not argue, there is nothing to argue about. Our designers still cannot create a compact engine for the tank on 1500 hp.
And what do you think the Americans and Germans are stomping around, probably already thinking of increasing the power of tank engines to 2000 hp without increasing the size.

[Amurets]

Aleksey_K I did not find on the Internet an article from a foreign military review on Abrams tanks. But I remember exactly, initially the M-1 Abrams was designed for a gas turbine, and the diesel engine was put in for comparison and initial tests. If you are specifically interested in our developments of military engines, then on the Internet you can find books 2-volume Zubov "Tank Engines", Ryazantsev " Motors and destinies ", Babylonian" Main battle tank of Russia ". In general, I think that the main characteristic of tank engines should not be power, but torque and traction characteristic, and not power.

[Good me]

Quote: Алексей_К

American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable.

You forgot about environmental friendliness ...

http://newsrbk.ru/news/2272220-prokuratura-zapodozrila-byivshego-glavu-Volkswage
n-AG-v-moshennichestve.html

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Good I

Quote: Алексей_К

American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable.

You forgot about environmental friendliness ...

Well, first of all - in the war nobody needs this your environmental friendliness. In war, compactness, power, efficiency and sometimes even fuel consumption are not so important, because tanks thing in battle is not durable.
And secondly - Americans also like to throw false information in order to discredit a competitor. If they gave a comparison with their diesels. And besides, there were no German representatives in testing. There they are about Russia generally write lies from morning till night every day. Found someone to believe.

[ssn18]

"American and German engines have always been more powerful,"

How. Then let me be curious, why until now has no one created a tractor for a launcher of the Pioneer, Topol, Yars type with one engine?

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: ssn18

"American and German engines have always been more powerful,"

How. Then let me be curious, why until now has no one created a tractor for a launcher of the Pioneer, Topol, Yars type with one engine?

"Pioneer", "Topol", "Yars" are Russian developments, who will install Western engines on them.
The Americans in 1970 planned to install diesel engines 1 hp on their first Abrams M1500, but installed a gas turbine 1500 hp The Germans put 1977 diesel engines on their Leopards from 1500.
There are still no such powerful engines on our tanks. So far, they only say that they will put diesel 14 hp on the T-1500, but so far there is no such engine in our army, now the 14 hp engine is on the T-1100.
Argue, do not argue, there is nothing to argue about. Our designers still cannot create a compact engine for the tank on 1500 hp.
And what do you think the Americans and Germans are stomping around, probably already thinking of increasing the power of tank engines to 2000 hp without increasing the size.
So for now, "How".

[veksha50]

Quote: keel 31

We also have Bryansk.

Bryansk, it seems, under the PGRK Strategic Missile Forces are small in power ...

[kil 31]

Quote: veksha50

Quote: keel 31

We also have Bryansk.

Bryansk, it seems, under the PGRK Strategic Missile Forces are small in power ...

Kamaz will produce for the Strategic Missile Forces, and Bryansk for the MLRS well, and for any crap such as tractors for trawls. So we are well off without Minsk.

[veksha50]

Quote: keel 31

Kamaz will produce for the Strategic Missile Forces, and Bryansk for the MLRS well, and for any crap such as tractors for trawls. So we are provided without Minsk.

The key is just the final phrase ...

[kil 31]

Quote: veksha50

Quote: keel 31

Kamaz will produce for the Strategic Missile Forces, and Bryansk for the MLRS well, and for any crap such as tractors for trawls. So we are provided without Minsk.

The key is just the final phrase ...

Naturally, no matter how we were friends, it is better to have everything at home. We have already pierced the sea with diggers.

[Zaurbek]

Old Man did not want to let Kamaz into the shareholders. And the client is Old Russia. Now he will either lose the MORF order or sell Maz.

[Wiruz]

I understand that soon the S-400 and S-500 will be installed on domestic platforms

[Old26]

Quote: company officer7777

Soon we will probably see Yars on the basis of Kamaz !!!

It's not soon. And it makes no sense to do one complex on two different machines. Part at MZKT, part at KAMAZ. For new ones - yes, perhaps, or in the prospect of replacement, but not now. Moreover, this is only the first shots, the machines will have to go through the entire test cycle, then the revision of the comments. So neither Yars nor Rubezh will be on KAMAZ trucks in the near future. Perhaps in the future ...

Quote: gfs84

A fig for 8-Osnik maneuverability all axles controlled

the first four

[gfs84]

From the 45th second, view the entire reversal monitor, it is clearly visible that all axes are controlled.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Old26

Quote: gfs84
A fig for 8-Osnik maneuverability all axles controlled
the first four

The video and rear axles are steered. Watch carefully.

[Amurets]

Old26! Look at the Truck-Press magazines last year and this year. There are reviews of all platforms for the army. I’ll drop the link for you now. There are not only 4 front-driven ones. Http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/
This is a link to the anniversary of the MKZT. Look at the magazines for the past and the beginning of this year.

[JD1979]

Every time Russia offered to unite efforts in some area, the dad sulked like a turkey, they say we ourselves are "smart" nafik we do not need anyone, we will do it, and you will buy. Yeah, naive, and stupid squalor at the helm of the state. And where is now his MAZ, MTZ with the wretched technology of the past century. And what did KAMAZ and URAL start producing? Now the MZKT has been lowered under the plinth. There, and until the last BELAZ will soon reach. And he will have only "pikhanaya sausage" (his words about the fact that if every citizen of Belarus makes kilograms of this sausage, then the country will receive a tangible economic effect. One would like to express the phrase attributed to Lavrov - D .. B ...).

[3vs]

And rightly so!
Import substitution, so import substitution, but in the defense it is critical!

[starshina pv]

Old Man will be offended, and will impose sanctions against Russia !! not see us Belarusian pineapples !!!

[Amurets]

And where will we put the new fleet if it blocks the Belorussian Sea.

[BOB044]

Yes Old Man is afraid of his cunning policy. That’s the result now, than later as with Ukraine. Redo everything on the run.

[VALERIK_097]

Sometimes it seems that Lukashenko is GOD, as I say it will be so. I really do not want to offend the brotherly people, but everyone perfectly understands at whose expense Belarus lives. We swallow the insulting statements of the President of the Republic of Belarus, but it seems to me for the time being.

[Sergey333]

That's right, you can't depend on a foreign country in such an important defense sector. "Old Man" will be removed and then what? We will be left without S-400 and poplars.

[VALERIK_097]

Somehow you Sergey misunderstand the cleaning company in Belarus

[veksha50]

"KamAZ has built a multi-wheeled tractor in the interests of the Ministry of Defense" ...

Well done!

And then Lukashenko began to speculate, blackmail already with his tractors for our Strategic Missile Forces and anti-aircraft defense systems ...

[Hello]

The turning radius of the 8-axis is smaller than on the Lada. Or not?

[roskot]

Old Man first of all thinks about his country. And we must do for ourselves and for ourselves. Then there will be less frills from the dad.

[semuil]

Its own is somehow closer to the body. The main thing is that for the sake of indestructible friendship our chassis did not become museum exhibits.

[hartlend]

Belarusians are no longer trusted. Suddenly, sanctions will be imposed. How will we be without tractors?

[Old26]

Quote: gfs84

From the 45th second, view the entire reversal monitor, it is clearly visible that all axes are controlled.

You are right, Sergey! Indeed, all managed ... was wrong

[Amurets]

Volodya! I saw the motor-wheel control system, so it’s generally miserable. On the way, the testers asked for help to replace the wheel, we had a crane with a crane. There was a KAMAZ 43118. You can put the dirt to the waist. As I lifted and helped I will not describe it. But when they removed the wheel, the senior of that car opened the hood for inspection, inside the motor wheel there was not only moisture, there was no dust. There were two ordinary bodies on the car loaded with some blocks, such as ballast. They wound, as our drivers said, somewhere around months along the broken Bamov roads, through swamps through the taiga. I saw them myself once when I was driving to the mine. It was 2012. The electronics were all inside the boxes, but the power cables didn’t work for them, either laying or insulation .Yes and yet the system is complex.

[sl22277]

The President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, who, when visiting the MZKT, said literally the following: “We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its“ centipedes ”and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent it. ” The answer was not long in coming: The presence of a functional platform that can even theoretically replace the Belarusian counterparts gives the Russian side a significant advantage in negotiations on the corporation of the Minsk enterprise. No wonder “Platform-O” was called the “black mark” of Lukashenko back in August.

[Fitter65]

Well, one must not forget where the MZKT came from from the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant. From there, KrAZ was born ....

[Bayonet]

Quote: Fitter65

Well, one must not forget where the MZKT came from from the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant. From there, KrAZ was born ....

During 1959, the production of cars at YaAZ was gradually phased out and by the end of the year it was completely transferred to the new Kremenchug Automobile Plant (KrAZ). YaAZ was renamed the Yaroslavl Motor Plant (YaMZ) and began to produce multi-cylinder 4-stroke diesel engines and gearboxes for heavy vehicles, becoming the largest Russian company of this profile.
MZKT OJSC has been counting its history since July 23, 1954. On this day, by the order of the Director of the Minsk Automobile Plant No. 15cc in pursuance of the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated June 25, 1954 No. 1258-563cc and the orders of the Minister of Automobile, Tractor and Agricultural Engineering of the USSR No. 21ss and No. 25cc, a special design bureau No. 1 was created at the Minsk Automobile Plant (SKB-1) for heavy wheeled artillery tractors and engines for them with an experimental base.

[Amurets]

Bayonet, you’re mistaken a little. YaMZ at that time produced 2-stroke diesel engines YaAZ-M-204 and YaAZ-M-206, as well as the diesel engine D-12-300 and D-12-400 for heavy-duty dump trucks Maz-525 Maz-530 .A 4-stroke diesel engines began to produce a year later.

[Vladimir K]

Power lover. He does not want to fall, as it seems to him, under anyone's influence (of Russia). And cunning life has always punished. The credit of "brotherly trust" is already running out.

[tolmachiev51]

At best, they will go into the series in 10 years. Too strict requirements, these are not panel trucks. So, that we too early to rejoice, and dad to experience the same.

[Aandrewsir]

Cooperation by cooperation, alliance by alliance ... and the best ally of Russia is Russia itself. Of course, you need to be friends with Belarus, but it’s always better to be independent in everything.

[Stranger]

And it’s pavilion. After Ukraine, a native needs to be self-explanatory. Today friends are traitors. Lukoshenko is still the Crest, (today we eat yours and tomorrow I myself)

[Urri]

KamAZ residents have relied on the electric drive. On the one hand, all axes are controllable, on the other hand, problems occur during ford passage, oxidation of contact groups under high currents is a problem. In a computer, gold in contacts is normal, in a tractor of this class I do not know.

[Bayonet]

There modern engines are brushless. The motor wheels themselves are already a hundred years old at lunch So there is nothing fundamentally complicated here. Look at this handsome Lohner-Porsche, created in the late nineteenth century by Ferdinand Porsche.
By the way, nothing can compare with the motor wheel in ensuring active traffic safety - all advanced electromechanical algorithms such as ABS, ESP, Traction Control, Brake Assist and so on are easily flashed into the control software and act on each individual wheel.

[ssn18]

Good news. It’s not good when our ICBMs use imported tractors, even a fraternal country. This is a defense. Yes, and the supreme gave the command for import substitution in the Armed Forces.

[gladysheff2010]

[quote = roskot]Old Man first of all thinks about his country.
Controversial moment! Rather, like this: Lukashenko cares about his political real PR, but this does not fit in with the routine administrative work, and he is preparing a successor dictatorially. Nevertheless, at the state level, the policy of speculation leads to a dead end: take a look at Merkel and ours, for example current relations with Germany. And let’s see, Russia has always been and will be rich in brainy people, so let’s launch it in a series, God willing!

[Old26]

Quote: Urri

KamAZ residents have relied on the electric drive. On the one hand, all axes are controllable, on the other hand, problems occur during ford passage, oxidation of contact groups under high currents is a problem. In a computer, gold in contacts is normal, in a tractor of this class I do not know.

In addition, not only fords, how the "motor-wheel" will behave in extreme off-road conditions and the weather is not yet clear. And according to some reports, at the "Army-2015" exhibition, KAMAZ seemed to demonstrate a desire to switch to a classic transmission ... So not soon, very soon they will go into series

[Amurets]

Old26! The motor-wheel is well worked out. I don’t remember already dressed up the number, but please check the Truck-Press again. I don’t remember the magazine number, but you need to know which complex the 18-axle tractor was designed for. It stood for several years without supervision. started, turned off several faulty electric motors and went to transport the yacht.

[Urri]

Quote: Old26

how the "wheel motor" will behave in extreme off-road conditions and weather is not yet clear

At work, I had experience operating systems with current-carrying rings for high currents. Only full, absolute tightness + special measures to drain the internal space saves. Condensation on a temperature difference, a stop - and everything instantly freezes. In general, there is something to splash the brains about. Even more

[sabakina]

As a driver, I am offended ... To build one auto giant, you need to destroy another auto giant. KamAZ-development ZiL. ZIL is a good car, albeit with its own shortcomings, but it pulled its strap properly.

[ZAV69]

An ideal car should have no moving parts. (C) A. Clark, it seems in "The City of 1000 Years"
If you think about it, he’s right. So the electric drive circuit for each wheel fits into this concept. Yes, and hell is applied knows how much time on the same belaz. On wheel formulas 12X12 and 16X16, the complexity of mechanics is beyond the limits. Handouts, driveshafts, differentials, CV joints. Each bearing and joint must be protected from dust and damage. And here there are only wires. The entire drive can be shoved in a sealed capsule. If the drive of an individual wheel is damaged, the wheel and the drive can be disengaged, for example, on an UAZ in the front axle, the axle shafts are turned out. Electronic control. The main thing is to screen well. In the future, a good solution. The main performance that would not disappoint.

[sabakina]

Sorry, I can’t put several photos in one post ...

[galact]

But I wonder, who makes engines for all lubricants? Really, too, "dad", not YaMZ. Maybe he drives them out of Sweden or Germany, he is on friendly terms with the Caterpillar. Correctly say: How the bugs were sucked and rolled off. It looks like the card of Belarus is being played, let's wait and see, they have elections on their nose.

[ssn18]

"But I wonder, who makes engines for all the lubricants?"

And when "dad" did the engines? He only collects what the Russian Federation will give him.

[Evgeniy30]

Quote: Kil 31

We also have Bryansk. If two plants will work. We will completely cover our needs, and maybe we will sell for export. In short kirdyk dad.

No need for a kirdyk "Father". One Russophobic Ukraine near your side is not enough for you? Be glad that in Belarus Lukashenka, albeit cunning, but still adequate and, most importantly, the partyot stands for integration. But instead of him they can put the Belarusian Yushchenko or, worse, Poroshenko! Lukashenka is a patriot of his country and it is natural that he will seek more favorable conditions for his country. This is absolutely normal. How normal is it that Russia is seeking such conditions for itself. In a dispute, truth is born. It is in negotiations, mutual compromises that decisions are made that are beneficial to both parties.

[NordUral]

It's like that. But the Old Man turns the stern. Although "our" oligarchs are still nits, we often have problems with the Belarusians, not without their raking hands.

[ssn18]

And who wants a kirdyk? But nevertheless, it is necessary to answer for the market. And after some official statements of A. I. Lukashenko, I just want to ask the question: "What is done with a dog that bites the hand of a feeding one?" This does not concern the people of Belarus, only Lukashenka.

[Thor]

I look at him and see a "pumped-over" KZKT-7428, probably a memory of the army And so, if the resource allows you to upgrade, why not ?! Yes, and you do not need to reinvent the wheel !!

[NordUral]

Yes, although it is a pity, but the Belarusians moved along the path of the Maidan, and the Old Man along the winding path of the fugitive President of Ukraine. Therefore, you need to rely only on yourself. Still, liberals from all branches of power should be landed in the West. And then Nabiulin is the best head of the Central Bank, according to Western liberals, even their Central Bank head will not reach her.

[Mentor]

Quote: NordUral

Yes, although it’s a pity, but the Belarusians moved along the path of the Maidan,

Did not notice.
I congratulate the designers of KamAZ on a good repetition of the development of the MZKT (at that time, also MAZ). Well done.

[Zomanus]

The car is great.
Even if you do not take modifications of large length,
then such platforms will go a lot.
And now we can develop all sorts of things for ourselves,
without attracting Belarusians or revealing details to them.
I’m not talking about the replacement of Belarusian tractors,
just got the opportunity to develop their projects with more
cooperation.

[Old26]

Quote: veksha50

YaRS - all the more, it’s about one and a half times lighter ...

Wow!!!!!!!! And for some reason I naively thought that it was a couple of tons heavier than the "Poplar", it turns out to be 1,5 times lighter. That is 30 tons. It's just not clear, FUCK to place it on an eight-axle chassis, when the heavier (6 tons) "Pioneer" was on a six-axle one ??? Could you tell???

[KRIG55]

It is high time !!!! Belarus is not Ukraine, but from time to time problems also arise. The MZKT, of course, is a partner, but the Ukrainians brothers showed how quickly the brothers turn into implacable enemies. So you need to have everything you need regarding defense.

[Evilcat]

Quote: APASUS

As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.

Yes, not to move But father, but to provide the country with its own equipment. Agree, the goals are somewhat different. And this is just great! KAMAZ is quite capable of such a task. one can only hope that he will do it.

[anti-Semite]

this is reasonable, in Belarus there are many nationalists, Russophobes, there are those who call themselves "Litvin", there are those who are now fighting on the outskirts against the Russians, these are not the majority, but they are as they are and those who sincerely want to go to Europe and it is not known how life will develop further, and if the father is thrown off? if these same "Litvins" come to power and start the same crap as the Ukrainians? we need to think about the security of our own country and the defense industry with agriculture is the most important factor of survival, we need to produce our military equipment not because we are evil and want to offend Belarusians, but because in this world yesterday's enemy can lend a helping hand at a difficult moment and those who were considered brothers cling to the throat which means you can only believe yourself