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KamAZ has built a multi-wheeled tractor in the interests of the Defense Ministry

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Rossiyskaya Gazeta published video footage of multi-wheeled rocket tractor tests developed by KamAZ as part of the Platform project.


KamAZ has built a multi-wheeled tractor in the interests of the Defense Ministry


According to the newspaper, referring to the bmpd blog, “the Kamsky Automobile Plant is working on the creation of a highly mobile modular heavy-duty platform on the instructions of the RF Ministry of Defense with 2010 of the year.”

Earlier, the blog reported that the first closed presentation of 3's prototypes was held at the Army-2015 forum. According to the blogger, they were “a tractor with a wheel formula 8х8, a platform KAMAZ-78509 with a wheel formula 12х12 with a load capacity of 50 tons and a KAMAZ-7850 with a wheel formula 16х16 with a load capacity of 85 tons.

It was also reported that the presented machines are designed to replace heavy trucks of Belarusian production, in particular, the Minsk wheel tractor plant.

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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 10 October 2015 09: 52 New
    77
    As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 10 October 2015 09: 55 New
      68
      Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!
      А то наверняка этот "баЦька" жмёт этим вопросом на нашего Верховного!
      Moreover, KAMAZ - CAN!
      SHOULD!
      IMPORTANT!
      NEED TO!
      1. Darkmor
        Darkmor 10 October 2015 11: 13 New
        47
        Do not rejoice ahead of time.
        These tractors, rather, are a foundation for future developments, and not a complete replacement for the Minsk units.
        I read that our tractors use various innovations that will have to be brought to mind for a very long time.
        For example, they use individual electric motors for each wheel (in the video, pay attention to how all the wheels turn in different ways, allowing the car to enter the curve more smoothly and at a sharper angle). In theory, such a machine can generally drive sideways.
        We have never done this in our car industry, and as a result, there are a lot of flaws and shortcomings that still have to be addressed.
        Over time, this can result in breakthroughs in a completely different wheeled vehicle.
        But now we have only shown a prototype (perhaps to the dad's head to filter our bazaar), but so far we can’t refuse to cooperate with Minsk.
        1. Mitek
          Mitek 10 October 2015 11: 20 New
          25
          Darkmor, nice to read a competent opinion. Thank! But there should be a potential replacement for Minsk cars. Lukash he is like a weather vane. For him, one-power is important. And to save it, he will do anything.
        2. Conductor
          Conductor 10 October 2015 11: 48 New
          +8
          Quote: Алексей_К

          Whether for export we will sell tractors in a row. American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable. Our cars and tractors are not quoted abroad.
          By the way, Belarusian heavy vehicles are also not needed by anyone abroad. They have enough of their own and agricultural products are not needed there. So the Old Man will have to keep up with Russian politics. And if it starts licking the back seat to the NATO and the EU, the gas can be increased in price or the valve can be tightened altogether.

          But nothing, they are exported to the UAE, Turkey, China, Egypt, Slovakia? These countries did not know that
          No one needs Belarusian heavy vehicles abroad either
          laughing laughing
          1. Sukhoi
            Sukhoi 10 October 2015 16: 36 New
            +2
            But nothing, they are exported to the UAE, Turkey, China, Egypt, Slovakia? These countries did not know that

            Это вы скорее всего про VOLAT и различную гражданскую технику. А вот про экспорт Астрологов я не слышал. Они действительно ни кому не нужны, кроме России, т.к. только у нас есть подходящий "груз" для них. И вот в качестве замены им КамАЗ и создается. Ну и еще старые МАЗы и обанкротившийся КЗКТ под списание пойдут.
        3. wow
          wow 10 October 2015 12: 17 New
          23
          Yes, but father resembles a too-cunning worm, which got entangled in an apple and bit itself on its own ass.
        4. Rus2012
          Rus2012 10 October 2015 16: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Darkmor
          But now we just showed a prototype

          ОКР "Платформа-О":
          16x16 platform with 85 t lifting capacity - near Yars, Topol-m
          12x12 platform with 50 loading capacity t - P-26 boundary?

          They write, Old Man wanted to sell his plant in Russia for 5 billion dollars, ours figured out and goes out - a new modern plant will be built for a billion.
          1. UREC
            UREC 10 October 2015 20: 00 New
            +4
            No options - build your own !!!
        5. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 10 October 2015 18: 53 New
          +6
          This father can at any time betray Russia, so the transition to his native domestic platform is a very right decision!
        6. veksha50
          veksha50 10 October 2015 21: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Darkmor
          But now we have only shown a prototype (perhaps to the dad's head to filter our bazaar), but so far we can’t refuse to cooperate with Minsk.



          Convinced ...

          And left at the same time joy and bitterness in the soul ... It seems that we can ... BUT - in exclusive versions ... But in the series to drive - until we can ...

          Anyway - or even more so - thanks ... You really need to consider all things ...
        7. dvina71
          dvina71 10 October 2015 23: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: Darkmor
          We have never done this in our car industry, and as a result, there are a lot of shortcomings and shortcomings that can be solved for a long time

          Come on? And they didn’t do trawl? How so?
          Electric wheel drive is not so much news.
          But the separate control of the wheels .. yes it is .. strong. Good luck to the plant.
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 10 October 2015 11: 15 New
        -4
        Quote: APASUS
        As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.


        Of course he wants, because the MZKT is the main competitor whom they cannot wait to absorb.
        Most importantly, Platform-O is a chassis with electric motor wheels, and such a scheme carries a bunch of disadvantages
        Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the complexity of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures
        Such a chassis also has problems with overcoming fords, it is unstable to an electromagnetic pulse, etc. Many of these problems cannot be solved in principle, while others require a long study.

        Поэтому неудивительно, что разрабатываемое с 2010 года шасси «Платформы-О» требуют "таких вложений" и так и не добралось до государственных испытаний, а военные сомневаются в его надежности.
        1. Genry
          Genry 10 October 2015 12: 42 New
          11
          Quote: Explorer
          Platform-O is a chassis with electric motor wheels, and such a scheme carries a bunch of disadvantages
          Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the complexity of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures
          Such a chassis also has problems with fording, it is unstable to an electromagnetic pulse, etc.


          Large radiation in IR ???
          What radiates? The engine generator is the same, the tires are the same. Electric motors in wheels add 10% (about) to the heating of the wheels, which does not change the picture. The absence of a gearbox and transmission reduces overall heat generation and fuel consumption by 30%.

          Humid climate?
          It is only necessary to seal the electronics, as well as for all equipment (filling with resin, oil or ...).

          Low temperature?
          Electric drives have less vagaries to lubrication (no transmission). Control electronics can have thermostatic stabilization.

          Difficulty in overcoming fords?
          Hinting at electronics? In vain !!! Electric motors in wheels, only better will be cooled in high power mode. Yes, such a machine will not be allowed to cross the ford - it will break in half, like a long ship at high waves.

          Electromagnetic pulse?
          It will be rare to meet. If the crew survives, then some of the electronics blocks will need to be replaced (spare parts from the shielded box).
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 10 October 2015 13: 15 New
            +9
            Genry! I want to add from the experience of operating electric locomotives of alternating current. It is enough to close the electronics with massive aluminum casings with rubber gaskets and immediately solve the problems of shielding and cooling and sealing of the blocks.
        2. Locksmith
          Locksmith 10 October 2015 16: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Explorer
          Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the complexity of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures

          But the whole world didn’t know, that’s the trouble ... Why are all kinds of electric motors shoved in vain in water, they say they are better cooled, and the infrared spectrum, well, I don’t even know what to say, apparently the problem with physics is from open sources for a long time It is known that a system consisting of a heat engine loaded on a generator is not only economical (an example is the most powerful CATs and BelAZs), but it is also noticeably less heat-loaded, and therefore it emits less.
          Motor wheels have only one significant drawback so far - it's expensive, everything else is just a plus
          Let me remind you of the well-known - extremely high resistance to undermining and defeat by small arms - the affected wheel simply shuts off, the cardan bent onto the frame will have to be picked out for a long time wink
          Практически абсолютная вездеходность-момент распределяет компьютер по колесам,это автоматически определяет и высокую топливную экономичность-нет нужды "копать " землю под нагруженным колесом при блокировке дифференциалов

          Стойкость к ЭМИ определяет конструкция ,а не принцип использования,в этом шасси аппаратуры которая может "умереть" от ЭМИ достаточно много,и как то не парятся-все в порядке,невзирая на древнее шасси-кому нахрен будет нужно это ИСПРАВНОЕ после воздействия ЭМИ шасси без его нагрузки??!!
        3. go
          go 10 October 2015 16: 53 New
          +2
          [Quote]
          Large radiation in the infrared spectrum, the difficulty of operation in a humid climate and at low temperatures [/ quote]

          Physically not true. The electric motor just heats the space much less than the internal combustion engine. Somewhere at 20% of the energy invested, while ICE at 70%. That is, ICE emits heat 50% stronger. In addition, the exhaust is also hot. So the electric motor is much better in this sense, so they are also working on such platforms in Europe and the USA.

          Another thing I don’t understand why they strained KAMAZ, maybe there is a BAZ in Russia, the cat makes good tractors. It is only necessary for them to help with R&D.
        4. Rus2012
          Rus2012 10 October 2015 19: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Explorer
          never got to state tests


          There are currently GI platforms. So far in Bronnitsy there is only the 8x8 truck tractor. The remaining products will fit GI gradually over the course of 2's, 3's months.
        5. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 10 October 2015 20: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Explorer
          Of course he wants, because the MZKT is the main competitor whom they cannot wait to absorb.

          Comrade, why do you think some auto giants absorb the other smaller ones, and they gladly agree to this? There are market laws in which only large enterprises can survive. Old Man by his obstinacy and stupidity just destroyed MTZK that's all. He had already buried many enterprises there.
          Quote: Explorer
          Поэтому неудивительно, что разрабатываемое с 2010 года шасси «Платформы-О» требуют "таких вложений" и так и не добралось до государственных испытаний, а военные сомневаются в его надежности.

          Apparently you are one of these military men.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 10 October 2015 11: 22 New
        +8
        Quote: Baikonur
        Moreover, KAMAZ - CAN!

        And even more so, is that in addition to KamAZ in the Russian Federation there are also BAZ and KZKT.
        Using the common potential is a completely solvable task.
        As for the dull speeches of the Old Man, he is often contradictory and not adequate. Although, of course, a socialist and patriot.
        Even dragging his young Kolya always with him speaks of a certain form of schizophrenia.
        The defense industry complex, even in the issue of production of army vehicles, should be domestic.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 10 October 2015 11: 55 New
          +7
          Quote: Alekseev
          Even dragging his young Kolya always with him speaks of a certain form of schizophrenia.


          Несколько не тему, Уважаемые коллеги, но "тема Коли", действительно оставляет ощущение какой-то нездоровой ситуации, особенно после фотографии с Обамами.

          Somehow I misunderstand this. hi
          1. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 10 October 2015 19: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            Somehow I misunderstand this.

            А чего тут недопонимать? Лукашенко очень хочет быть в центре внимания ВСЕХ! Быть этаким "Сенсеем" (то есть учителем для всех)!
        2. asiat_61
          asiat_61 10 October 2015 12: 16 New
          +4
          KZKT --- NO.
        3. Ermak
          Ermak 10 October 2015 19: 20 New
          +2
          There is no KZKT anymore ... the shopping center is there now (((...
      4. ava09
        ava09 10 October 2015 11: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Baikonur
        Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!


        Any two-edged sword ...-) Before tearing up the achievements, you need to calculate the consequences and be sure that you will not help your hysteria to turn Belarus into a second Ukraine.
        1. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 10 October 2015 20: 39 New
          0
          Quote: ava09
          Any two-edged sword ...-) Before tearing up the achievements, you need to calculate the consequences and be sure that you will not help your hysteria to turn Belarus into a second Ukraine.

          And here there is simply no way out. We Luka made a great offer. We buy a plant, invest money in equipment, design bureaus, and despite the fact that all this remains in Belarus, it means taxes and jobs. Any normal president would bow at our feet, and he says 5 lard come on.
          This excuse is just the limit. I had to do my own, although it is very unfortunate. To invest these amounts in the MZKT would have gained time, plus they certainly have their own achievements.
      5. asiat_61
        asiat_61 10 October 2015 12: 15 New
        +2
        By the way, in Kurgan there was a factory of wheel tractors, they produced MAZ. Now there is no factory, ousting Old Man.
      6. sgazeev
        sgazeev 10 October 2015 12: 28 New
        +8
        Quote: Baikonur
        Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!
        А то наверняка этот "баЦька" жмёт этим вопросом на нашего Верховного!
        Moreover, KAMAZ - CAN!
        SHOULD!
        IMPORTANT!
        NEED TO!

        And there was a long conversation about replacing father’s wheelbarrows. Bryansk makes part of the tractors. KamAZ against the MZKT: Lukashenko made a mistake claiming that Russia has no money and no brains. In August, President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko said that Russia would not be able to invent its “centipedes” - wheeled chassis and tractors for transporting missiles. While the Russian Federation uses the development of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant. Today, Russian KAMAZ responded to the head of the neighboring state. Work on them has been carried out by KAMAZ since 2010 on the instructions of the Russian Ministry of Defense. They are called upon to replace the wheeled platforms of the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT), which today carry Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles, in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Russian chassis differ from their comrades in that all of their wheels are swivel, and the principle of electric movement - “motor-wheels” - is used.

        Answer Lukashenko

        The video appeared only a few months after the statement of the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko, who, when visiting the MZKT, said literally the following: “We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its“ centipedes ”and will transport nuclear warheads on its own and on health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent it. ”

        The fact is that since 2013 Russia and Belarus have been negotiating the corporation of the first enterprise supplying platforms for the transportation of Topol and Yars. Minsk insists on investing at least three billion dollars, Moscow insists on reducing the amount.

        At the same time, no one has canceled the rearmament program of the Russian Armed Forces, and Russian missiles need tractors and platforms, but getting them, it turns out, depends on the mood of the Belarusian president. That is why, apparently, the higher-ranking officials hurried KamAZ. After all, the work has been going on for a very long time. Until today, Platform-O was called the “ghost platform”, since no one had ever seen the developments live. There were rumors of a closed show on the first day of the Army-2015 International Military Technical Forum, but there was no confirmation. Http://riafan.ru/430789-kamaz-protiv-mzkt-lukashenko-oshibsya-utverzhdaya-c
        hto-u-rossii-net-deneg-i-mozgov /
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 10 October 2015 19: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: sgazeev
          If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent it. ”

          And does he have both in sufficient quantities?
      7. My doctor
        My doctor 10 October 2015 18: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Baikonur
        Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!
        А то наверняка этот "баЦька" жмёт этим вопросом на нашего Верховного!

        Right, it's time. am But it would be better if you closed your market for Belarusian products. laughing Show how cool you are. bully
        Well, if in essence then the MZKT itself is forced to give up positions. It is impossible to develop a platform for requirements that are not known. To transfer to the enterprise of another country requirements for the chassis for the complex under development, this should be notified in advance to the third aside at least about the mass and dimensions of promising weapons.
        It is sad that the years do not make us closer to each other but alienate, but apparently so destined. It remains only to try not to become enemies, but it seems you do not get used to one more one less.
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 10 October 2015 19: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: MyVrach
          It’s sad that the years do not make us closer to each other but move away

          Russia has absolutely nothing to do with it!
        2. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 10 October 2015 20: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: MyVrach
          Well, if in essence then the MZKT itself is forced to give up positions. It is impossible to develop a platform for requirements that are not known. To transfer to the enterprise of another country the requirements for the chassis for the complex under development, this is to inform the third party at least about the mass and dimensions of promising weapons in advance.

          So what prevents you from selling the plant in Russia? Pride? Why the Swedes sell their plants to Chinese women, and you UNDERSTAND THAT the MZKT works for Russia's strategic interests. You do not need jobs? Modern production? The whole world is enlarging, globalization, only Luke wants to invent a bicycle. and the funniest thing is to blame, according to you, Russia.
          Why didn’t Dad let MAZ and KAMAZ merge? Yes, KAMAZ would be the main one, since it has a bigger market and invests money from it. This is a common process to increase competition will unite. Now there is no MAZ, and KAMAZ did not receive an enterprise where it was possible to establish good truck tractors and bring them to the market. Dad is out of your mind.
          recourse
          Quote: MyVrach
          It is sad that the years do not make us closer to each other but alienate, but apparently so destined. It remains only to try not to become enemies, but it seems you do not get used to one more one less.

          The sad thing is that Dad is ruining his industry with his own hands while getting into debt to Russia and transferring only to agriculture. Like it or not, and Russia in fact is the only country the consumer of your product.
          Well, with you, we definitely won’t be friends, which is very good.
          1. My doctor
            My doctor 11 October 2015 21: 08 New
            -1
            Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
            The sad thing is that Dad is ruining his industry with his own hands while getting into debt to Russia and transferring only to agriculture. Like it or not, and Russia in fact is the only country the consumer of your product.

            I say this is FATE. laughing
      8. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 11 October 2015 00: 29 New
        0
        And here is why KAMAZ, there are more qualified ones, we have factories, the same BAZ for example!
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 10 October 2015 09: 59 New
      35
      Quote: APASUS
      As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.

      "...Россия не дождётся реализации «пяти интеграционных проектов», в частности — не получит контроля над ОАО «Минский завод колёсных тягачей» (МЗКТ). Об этом 14 августа заявил Александр Лукашенко, посещая госпредприятие.
      "...«Нас пугают, что Россия, мол, изобретёт свои «сороконожки» и будет ядерные боеголовки перевозить на своих — и на здоровье! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent! ”Said Lukashenko.
      Лукашенко уверен: замены продукции МЗКТ в России нет, равно как и замене продукции «МТЗ». Он призвал активнее работать на российском рынке, удержать его..."

      in how. it turned out that Russia has both money and brains for such projects. it remains to wait for serial production
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 10 October 2015 10: 04 New
        18
        I think, with the release of KAMAZ trucks, the purchase of Belarus will not stop. Most likely, our tractors will go for new missiles, and Belarus will replace them with old tractors that have already exhausted their resources.
        1. avt
          avt 10 October 2015 10: 31 New
          12
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          I think, with the release of KAMAZ trucks, the purchase of Belarus will not stop.

          Of course not. What fright is it to tear alive? Again, the KAMAZ trucks must be brought to mind, tested, and only then put in a series. And this is not a matter of one day.
          Quote: self-propelled
          "...Россия не дождётся реализации «пяти интеграционных проектов», в частности — не получит контроля над ОАО «Минский завод колёсных тягачей» (МЗКТ). Об этом 14 августа заявил Александр Лукашенко, посещая госпредприятие.

          Well, in general, it’s correctly noticed with a quote from Batsky, where did the legs come from ... rather, the wheels of this line of tractors have grown.
          Quote: Good Me
          Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

          Эта кошка зовется ,,Союзное государство", а точнее амбиции Бацки и обида что нет ему дороги у Кремль . Что поделать - имеет желание купить дом , но не имет возможности , имеет возможность купить козу , но не имеет желания , а просто выпить за то чтобы желания совпадали с возможностями , не хочет . Хочет быть равным Путину и другим Игрокам Большой Игры .Но в Кремле в тронном зале трон ОДИН и постановка рядом даже тронного табурета протоколом не предусмотрена.Ну а минским автозаводчанам надо что то вполне себе конкретное и прорывное придумать , для того чтобы удержаться на плаву и быть полезными Миру и Граду .
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 10 October 2015 10: 51 New
            +8
            Quote: avt
            in the Kremlin in the throne room the throne is ONE and even a throne stool is not set up by the protocol
            ... and even a simple stool, with a large thumbtack sticking out in the middle - is also not provided! laughing
            So many years have passed - and Old Man will not calm down .. and where he climbs ?! Neither its metal, nor oil, nor gas, nor ... much more - but AMBITSY II! No less than Merkelsha’s!
        2. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 10 October 2015 10: 32 New
          +8
          There are three options for the development of events:
          1) The development insures the defense industry against possible surprises with the supply of Belarusian tractors. But this is unlikely: the car was made from 2010 year, spent a lot of money. Yes, and take time to deploy their production at home.
          2) KAMAZ tractors will go to the troops in parallel with the purchase of Belarusian;
          3) in my opinion the most likely scenario: after the completion of current contracts, Belarusian tractors will no longer be purchased, but Minsk will be asked to reorient their existing production: A) to produce components for KAMAZ tractors or B) to assemble KAMAZ tractors from Russian components with production secondary nodes. In any case, in this scenario, the most complex and expensive sites will be produced in Russia.
          1. bmv04636
            bmv04636 10 October 2015 12: 13 New
            +2
            they wanted to combine Kamaz with Maz, but the Old Man said no, and got an answer
          2. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 10 October 2015 19: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: Eugene-Eugene
            But this is unlikely

            Unlikely? An example of Ukraine does not mean anything?
            1. Eugene-Eugene
              Eugene-Eugene 11 October 2015 08: 29 New
              0
              read carefully
        3. Amurets
          Amurets 10 October 2015 14: 39 New
          +3
          SRC P-15! The need for platforms is very high. Not only as missile carriers. With the loss of Kraz, we lost the production of platforms for the engineering forces, for the airborne forces and other branches of the armed forces. So competition is competition, and in connection with the rearmament, there are a lot of cars in the army
      2. Temples
        Temples 10 October 2015 10: 08 New
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        Lukashenko speaks as if they took the bulbash themselves and created the MZKT.

        After the collapse of the USSR, the great and mighty Lukashenko took over and created the production of cars and tractors !!!
        This is not the whole country under the name of the USSR with its human potential restored the industry after the war, but personally Lukashenko and it was in the dashing 90s !!!

        Вот и "отсталая" Россия демонстрирует свою технику. Нравится? Лукашенко, что скажешь? До сих пор считаешь, что нет замены?
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 10 October 2015 10: 19 New
          +6
          He did not create, yes, but he retained and developed, and did not tear it apart.
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 10 October 2015 12: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Temples
          Lukashenko speaks as if they took the bulbash themselves and created the MZKT.

          Ага! Новая кликуха пошла в оборот - бульбаши! В полку "лягушатников" с "макаронниками" прибавление ! smile
          1. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 10 October 2015 21: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Bayonet
            Ага! Новая кликуха пошла в оборот - бульбаши! В полку "лягушатников" с "макаронниками" прибавление !

            This is a normal word, just like b and crest. So our great-grandfathers called each other and no one was offended. Do you have tolerance? tongue
        3. Bassman
          Bassman 10 October 2015 20: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          Lukashenko speaks as if they took the bulbash themselves and created the MZKT.


          Quote: Baikonur
          Absolutely right. I’ve been waiting for a long time when we get this Minsk stick out of our ...!


          Why is there so much contempt and gloating towards Belarusians? We ourselves are destroying friendship and trust between us, not at the state level but on a personal level. We are with you.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 10 October 2015 20: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Bassman
            We ourselves destroy friendship and trust between us, not at the state level but on a personal level. We are with you.

            Just many of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova are few, they have nano-zombie parts in their heads.

            A tractor will be built, of course, but not quickly and more expensively 2-3 times yes
      3. Good me
        Good me 10 October 2015 10: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: self-propelled
        "...Россия не дождётся реализации «пяти интеграционных проектов», в частности — не получит контроля над ОАО «Минский завод колёсных тягачей» (МЗКТ). Об этом 14 августа заявил Александр Лукашенко, посещая госпредприятие.
        "...«Нас пугают, что Россия, мол, изобретёт свои «сороконожки» и будет ядерные боеголовки перевозить на своих — и на здоровье! Если у них есть сегодня мозги и деньги, которых у них нет — пускай изобретают!», — заявил Лукашенко.
        Лукашенко уверен: замены продукции МЗКТ в России нет, равно как и замене продукции «МТЗ». Он призвал активнее работать на российском рынке, удержать его..."

        in how. it turned out that Russia has both money and brains for such projects. it remains to wait for serial production



        On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

        If money, then is it time to learn how to interact mutually beneficial?

        Or ... (I drive this thought), But father went in the footsteps of Yanukovych?
        1. Samurai3X
          Samurai3X 10 October 2015 10: 20 New
          14
          A cat called the Soviet Union? Who invented the BSSR and the USSR? Then saw them separate republics?
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 10 October 2015 14: 43 New
            +1
            Lenin and Stalin had to exile their comrades-in-arms into an honorable exile somewhere, so they invented republics
        2. SteelRatTV
          SteelRatTV 10 October 2015 10: 26 New
          +4
          У КАМАЗА (после пожара) ещё долго будут сложности с серийным производством, но "малые серии" - не проблема. Есть такое подразделение - НТЦ (Научно-Технический Центр). То самое, которое поставляет КАМАЗы (пардон, "ручной" сборки) на Париж-Даккар.
          1. Good me
            Good me 10 October 2015 10: 41 New
            -3
            Quote: SteelRatTV
            У КАМАЗА (после пожара) ещё долго будут сложности с серийным производством, но "малые серии" - не проблема. Есть такое подразделение - НТЦ (Научно-Технический Центр). То самое, которое поставляет КАМАЗы (пардон, "ручной" сборки) на Париж-Даккар.


            It is worth recalling, so, for a general understanding of what we have lost ...

            The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ...
            1. avt
              avt 10 October 2015 10: 58 New
              +6
              Quote: Good Me
              It is worth recalling, so, for a general understanding of what we have lost ...

              The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ...

              No. Is there anything that is actually kapokotnik, and it’s quite concrete for the very one that went to the USSR with the KAMAZ nameplate, was developed from scratch at ZIL in Moscow ??? And then the decision of the government was transferred with giblets to KAMAZ? laughing
              1. Good me
                Good me 10 October 2015 11: 06 New
                -3
                Quote: avt
                Is there anything that is actually kapokotnik, and it’s quite concrete for the very one that went to the USSR with the KAMAZ nameplate, was developed from scratch at ZIL in Moscow ??? And then the decision of the government was transferred with giblets to KAMAZ?


                Well, somehow, between design and release, there is a slight difference ...

                Ничего в этом"чрезвычайного" нет. Обычная практика кооперации. Кроме того, строился новейший автогигант в Набережных Челнах, ставший гордостью СССР и России.

                And WHERE ZIL(factory) delhi? ? ? ... This is already a question, and not to Soviet party members and bureaucrats.
                1. Samurai3X
                  Samurai3X 10 October 2015 11: 32 New
                  +4
                  Well, ZIL was not thrown in the trash. Now MOSAVTOZIL LLC has been deployed at its base, where they build lighter trucks and other platforms. It is enough to go to the ZILA website and see the line of cars.
                  PS In St. Petersburg, I rarely saw them, but in Moscow they are decent, because spare parts are always at hand. And in Yaroslavl too. This is about beautiful pictures with the actual absence of the cars themselves in production.
                  1. Good me
                    Good me 10 October 2015 12: 17 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Samurai3X
                    Well, ZIL was not thrown in the trash. Now MOSAVTOZIL LLC has been deployed at its base, where they build lighter trucks and other platforms. It is enough to go to the ZILA website and see the line of cars.


                    Я ввёл в поисковик запрос "завод ЗиЛ сейчас", и получил вот это :

                    http://www.fresher.ru/2011/11/02/zabroshennyj-zavod-zil/

                    А то, что вы называете"линейкой авто", СЛЁЗЫ в масштабах страны и с тем потенциалом , на который БЫЛО(до недавних пор) способно предприятие.
                    1. Samurai3X
                      Samurai3X 10 October 2015 12: 46 New
                      0
                      2011 d. This is even before the signing of the contract itself with Sberbank. Through simple brain strains, we can find the source of LJ
                      http://mmet.livejournal.com/2011/10/20/
                      3 spent minutes. 2011 year. Is there something fresher?
                    2. Amurets
                      Amurets 10 October 2015 13: 49 New
                      +1
                      It was not our time that was to blame here, but the seventies and eighties. Then the Central Committee decided to build new plants outside of Moscow. We didn’t have time to take out the ZIL from Moscow to the region. Those ZIL-170 engines that I had to face had easily solved problems if there were spare parts. http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/article/photo_gallery/. This is a link to the magazine Truck Press number 645. The article is called: Meditations under the hood of ZiL. On the problems of domestic engine building.
                      1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                        Rusich is not from Kiev 10 October 2015 21: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: Amurets
                        It is not our time that is to blame here, but the seventies and eighties. Then the Central Committee decided to build new plants outside of Moscow

                        On the contrary, I must say thanks to these people. Only downs, they make such enterprises in megacities, and even capitals.
                2. avt
                  avt 10 October 2015 12: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: Good Me
                  Well, somehow, between design and release, there is a slight difference ...

                  laughing Do not remember about MAZ? Well already, you can find the rest in details.
                  Quote: Good Me
                  But WHERE ZIL (factory) Delhi? ? ?

                  ZIL? In Moscow and a branch in Smolensk? As a self-sufficient plant with design bureau KILLED. Actually like AZLK ZIL territory is planned for development.request sad
                  Quote: Good Me
                  А то, что вы называете"линейкой авто", СЛЁЗЫ в масштабах страны и с тем потенциалом , на который БЫЛО(

                  Yes, there is no ruler, but
                  Quote: Samurai3X
                  . spare parts are always at hand.

                  this is not what it was ..... Alas!
                  1. Samurai3X
                    Samurai3X 10 October 2015 12: 50 New
                    +1
                    Alas, what needs to be deployed at KAMAZ facilities.
                    And one should not forget that ZIL provided almost the entire USSR. Those. the population is 2 times larger than in the Russian Federation.
                    Тут многие, как дети, скачут и повторяют речитатив "Хочу как было!". Хотя этого уже не будет.
            2. Sergey S.
              Sergey S. 10 October 2015 11: 04 New
              +6
              Quote: Good Me
              The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ...

              And the first MAZ in YaAZ ....

              It is foolish to rejoice in strife with Belarusians and Ukrainians.
              It seems like a ball on the court we bring the balls.

              But, seriously, even in a single country, competition between plants was not stifled.
              GAZ, MAZ, KRAZ, Miass, ZIL ... how many different miracle cars were produced. And all the developments were used. And due to the fact that the factories took into account the real possibilities of production as much as possible, the price of equipment by today's standards can be said to be meager.

              Oh, someone would see to it that KamAZ, MAZ, BelAZ, and GAZ are with contracts filled with state interests.

              And Old Man ... he has already done so much good that ambitious statements could be forgiven him.
              Moreover, in principle, he did not do anything anti-Russian.
              And our oligarchs have nothing to open their mouths on someone else's loaf.
              1. avt
                avt 10 October 2015 12: 52 New
                +4
                Quote: Sergey S.
                And the first MAZ in YaAZ ....

                Yes . It’s also a fact - the bear was changed by the government’s decision to the bison. Indeed, KrAZ is also from Yaroslavl.
                1. kil 31
                  kil 31 10 October 2015 16: 44 New
                  +3
                  Quote: avt
                  Quote: Sergey S.
                  And the first MAZ in YaAZ ....

                  Yes . It’s also a fact - the bear was changed by the government’s decision to the bison. Indeed, KrAZ is also from Yaroslavl.

                  About this back then, the Yaroslavl resented. We will only build a factory and launch a great truck in a series. All transport equipment and everything else to the neighboring republic. And so several times. Upstairs they said one thing about questions. It is necessary to help the Union republics so that they have the same industry. They quickly forgot who built them these facilities, which they are proud of.
                  1. Sergey S.
                    Sergey S. 10 October 2015 22: 44 New
                    +2
                    Quote: keel 31
                    About this back then, the Yaroslavl resented. We will only build a factory and launch a great truck in a series. All transport equipment and everything else to the neighboring republic.

                    In those years, no one thought that Belarus was a different republic.
                    And the fact that after the war on the territory of Belarus there was almost nothing industrial left was a fact.
                    Belarusians should not be reproached with factories.
                    They served the Motherland honestly, and did not prejudice the Motherland.
                    And in Yaroslavl, the plant was redesigned (with new equipment) to produce excellent diesel engines of the YaMZ family.
                    So it makes no sense to cling to this action.
              2. Saratoga833
                Saratoga833 10 October 2015 19: 17 New
                +5
                Quote: Sergey S.
                that he didn’t do anything anti-Russian.

                Oh oh How do you like the non-recognition of Crimea as Russian? How do you like the approval of the broadcasting of the Ukrainian TV channel to Belarus? How do you like Lukashenko’s refusal to create a Russian military air base in Baranovichi? And there are more than a dozen such examples. Not an enemy to us Lukashenko, but not a friend whom you can rely on!
                1. Sergey S.
                  Sergey S. 10 October 2015 22: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: Saratoga833
                  How do you like the non-recognition of Crimea as Russian? How do you like the approval of the broadcasting of the Ukrainian TV channel to Belarus? How do you like Lukashenko’s refusal to create a Russian military air base in Baranovichi?

                  Words and deeds should not be confused.
                  Joining Crimea Old Man did not condemn.
                  What is not recognized is not fatal for us.
                  As for the air base, I'm not at all sure of its necessity.
                  Moreover, the concrete strips of Soviet airfields are in good condition and are not sold at country houses.

                  I would be careful about the dad.
                  Пусть лавирует, заодно поддерживает некое внутренне политическое равновесие, не провоцируя антироссийские действия "оппозиции".

                  I am sure it will be famously, Belarusians will support us.
                  ... Otherwise, they cannot survive as a state ...
                  1. anti-Semite
                    anti-Semite 10 October 2015 23: 36 New
                    +1
                    их "оппозиция" и так антироссийская как и наша собственная , к слову сегодня в Белорусии митинговали с флагами ес старыми Белорусскими и русофобскими речевками
              3. Bassman
                Bassman 10 October 2015 20: 47 New
                +1
                I absolutely agree with you! I applaud while standing yes
            3. Bayonet
              Bayonet 10 October 2015 12: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: Good Me
              The first KAMAZ (experimental model) was released at MAZ ..

              In 1968, by order of the Ministry of the Automotive Industry of the Soviet Union, the ZIL plant was entrusted with a difficult task. The designers had to create a whole family of heavy-duty three-axle diesel tractor trucks and prepare them for production somewhere in the new plant. On April 1969, 200, an order was also issued to develop power units, that is, engines based on four-stroke engines with a capacity of up to XNUMX horsepower.
              The design department began work on new and fairly promising cars immediately after the work on the ZiL-133 gasoline car was completed. As a prototype abroad, hoodless and bonnet analogues were purchased for testing. Most of all, Soviet designers liked the American truck International from the 220 series. It is possible that the choice of this model played a role in the fact that the chief designer was already familiar with the cars of International.
              A cabless assembly of the car with a comfortable cab, a fairly powerful diesel engine, a pneumohydraulic amplifier, a 5-speed gearbox equipped with a front splitter that makes it a 10-speed, the braking system is the most modern at that time, the appearance of a locked center differential. The quality of the new truck was not in doubt. It was a truly revolutionary step in the production of trucks in the Soviet Union.
              Already in 1969, in May, the first prototype of the car, called the ZIL-170, appeared. The first tests of the car took place on a site called Uglich-Rybinsk. At the same time, a government decree was adopted on the construction of a whole complex of various plants that were needed for the production of a new family of trucks.
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 10 October 2015 14: 25 New
                +3
                Bayonet! Can I add? It was in 1968 that the decision was made to leave the experimental production, design bureaus, and special production of cars on the current territory of ZiL in Moscow. This I read in the magazine Truck Press excerpts from the book, if memory serves, AMO; ZiS; ZIL in the memoirs of veterans .
            4. Bepdukt
              Bepdukt 10 October 2015 14: 41 New
              +2
              The first KAMAZ was developed and assembled on ZIL!
            5. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 20 October 2015 06: 02 New
              0
              and MAZ and KRAZ, in turn, are YaAZ
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          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 10 October 2015 10: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: SteelRatTV
            . То самое, которое поставляет КАМАЗы (пардон, "ручной" сборки) на Париж-Даккар.


            а КамАЗы проекта "Платформа" и будут ручной сборки и.....им конвейер НЕ нужен...

            проект " Платформа",это проект " Вощина- 2" огжатый в 90-х КамАЗом у БаЗа...

            In 2005, according to the requirements of the main ordering departments of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Bryansk Automobile Plant began to carry out the preparatory stage (approval of technical specifications, definition of performers) OKR Voshchina-2 to further improve technical specifications, maximize unification and expand the range of chassis and tractors of the Voshchina-1 family.
            At the beginning of the 2008 of the year, the plant began to carry out the development of Voshchina-2, but in October of the same year the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stopped financing these works.t, as well as the Natural Research Institute, within the framework of which a standard-sized series of hydromechanical gearboxes for Voshchina-2 was developed.
            http://русская-сила.рф/guide/army/tr/baz6909.shtml

            "Представитель компании Brahmos выразил удивление по поводу отсутствия предложений от российского производителя колесных платформ военного назначения – Брянского завода колесных тягачей (БЗКТ, раньше завод назывался БАЗ). Скорее всего, это связано с интригами в сфере российских программ разработок военной автотехники. По неофициальной информации, в результате лоббистских усилий КамАЗ «перетянул на себя» финансирование программы разработки колесной платформы следующего поколения. БЗКТ продолжает начатую в 2008 году ОКР под шифром «Вощина-2» на свои средства, которые весьма ограничены. В результате брянскому заводу просто не на что создать модификацию, отвечающую условиям размещения берегового противокорабельного комплекса с ракетами Brahmos".
            http://www.gruzovik.ru/forum/22/106/172/
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 10 October 2015 11: 35 New
              +1
              a prototype BAZ-69096 chassis at a fashion show in Bronnitsy, 10.06.2011 year ...
              load capacity BAZ-69096 33 tons ...

              77P6 launcher on the BAZ-69096 chassis from the S-500 air defense system

              http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/mx118, http://militaryrussia.ru
        3. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 10 October 2015 10: 38 New
          11
          Quote: Good Me
          On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

          Putin once said that the Russian defense industry was 100% independent, which means we must produce everything ourselves, including tractors.
        4. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 10 October 2015 10: 39 New
          11
          Quote: Good Me
          On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?

          If money, then is it time to learn how to interact mutually beneficial?

          Or ... (I drive this thought), But father went in the footsteps of Yanukovych?

          Old Man goes his own way, and Old Man himself is a cat. Do not put Russia below the baseboard in the automotive industry. No need to blackmail Russia.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 10 October 2015 12: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Old Man goes his own way,

            Old Man wanted to sell the MZKT for three billion, but he was not given so much and began to make all kinds of statements, here is business and nothing more.
            1. mich
              mich 10 October 2015 16: 00 New
              +3
              It would be better if he offered potatoes in exchange, sat quietly sorted out and did not hum in the direction of his only ally! Everyone must do their job!
        5. veksha50
          veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 40 New
          14
          Quote: Good Me
          On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?


          Lukashenko’s unstoppable craving for dictatorship and narcissism, which is increasing every year ...

          Как Вы думаете, психически это нормально - малого пацана (а сейчас он уже - приличный дылда-акселерат) в военной форме таскать с собой всюду по правительственным мероприятиям и парадам ??? И какой псих выродится еще из этого пацана, которого готовили на "трон" с пяти лет ???

          But father all the time - even speaking of a joint Russian-Belarusian state - saw himself in this union only as the first person ... Absolutely forgetting the difference in the weight categories of Russia and Belarus ... This, it seems to me, played an unenviable role in our joint relationship ...

          And the people ... What the people ??? I treat Belarusians with love and respect, and I treat them ... I had many Belarusian comrades in life, and not one of them in difficult situations failed or betrayed ...
          1. Good me
            Good me 10 October 2015 11: 00 New
            10
            Quote: veksha50
            И какой псих выродится еще из этого пацана, которого готовили на "трон" с пяти лет ???
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 10 October 2015 12: 00 New
              +4
              Quote: Good Me
              Quote: veksha50
              И какой псих выродится еще из этого пацана, которого готовили на "трон" с пяти лет ???


              Good analogy, Dear Good Y. hi
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 10 October 2015 12: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: veksha50
            Lukashenko’s unstoppable craving for dictatorship and narcissism, which is increasing every year ...

            Habit is second nature! hi
        6. Amurets
          Amurets 10 October 2015 11: 02 New
          +7
          Maybe someone is already tired, but I write again, for the sake of the dad, we ditched the tractor plants in Lipek and Vladimir, the Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant, the production of medium-power engines at the AMZ, and a number of projects. Sergey Stepashin, when he was in 1999 Prime Minister, he was at the AMZ and he was shown the new line of automobile and tractor engines. There were engines for the VAZ, for the Oise and Gaza. Moreover, the past even run tests. The conclusions of the VAZ were positive for the line of passenger diesel engines. After a month, Stepashin for some reason was released from premiership, and our ICE production programs suddenly cease. It was in 1999. Putin is being appointed in his place.
        7. skeptic
          skeptic 10 October 2015 11: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Good Me
          On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians? What cat ran between us?


          Naglosak. You never know what they can promise father, and simply help him leave in another world. Where is the confidence in the complete loyalty of another government?
          Everything that is essential for Russia's defense capability should be produced at home. But the buttons can also be ordered on the side.
        8. Bayonet
          Bayonet 10 October 2015 12: 38 New
          0
          Quote: Good Me
          On the one hand, it’s good that we ourselves can. And on the other ... Why not TOGETHER with Belarusians?

          So after all, what a cry stood here - DO ALL BY YOURSELF !!! Here we are.
          According to the OKR "Platform-O" three types of machines are created:
          KAMAZ-78504 - a truck tractor with an 8x8 wheel arrangement for towing trailed systems weighing 90-165 tons and a ballast tractor with an 8x8 wheel arrangement for towing trailed systems weighing up to 75 tons;
          KAMAZ-78509 platform with a 12x12 wheel arrangement with a loading capacity of 50 t;
          KAMAZ-7850 platform with a 16x16 wheel arrangement with a loading capacity of 85 t.
          http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/295634-ocherednaya-novinka-opk-novye-sha
          ssi-dlya-rvsn-sozdannye-pao-kamaz.html
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 10 October 2015 17: 59 New
            +5
            Quote: Bayonet
            According to the OKR "Platform-O" three types of machines are created:

            Alexander Grigoryevich! You can set at least 100 minuses, but we will do the tractor ourselves! hi
      4. veksha50
        veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 34 New
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        Quote: self-propelled
        in how. it turned out that Russia has both money and brains for such projects.



        But father does lose his last brains, and with them the state-friend and his independence ...

        And then he put a pig with an air base in Baranovichi ...

        PS It was disgusting to look at the photographs as he kisses the pope’s hand ... It’s like the enemies of Russia (NATO, the USA and other crap) - to lick your ass ...

        And ours ... ours - was late for an appointment with dad for almost an hour !!!

        Feel the difference...
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 10 October 2015 12: 55 New
          -3
          Quote: veksha50
          . It was disgusting to look at the photographs as he kisses the pope’s hand ... It’s like the enemies of Russia (NATO, the USA and other crap) - to lick your ass ...

          Dad over politics. Compare it with the NATO ass is not worth it. hi
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 10 October 2015 14: 12 New
            +2
            Quote: Bayonet
            Dad over politics. Compare it with the NATO ass



            The Vatican has never stood OVER politics ... Or, more precisely, stood OVER Western politics and directed it ...

            Mussolini created modern fascism (in the twentieth century) not in Rome, under the supervision of the papacy ???
            But the Italians, in the majority, are very faithful believers, and the pope for them is the viceroy of God on earth ...

            And this dad directed the actions of Mussolini and his student, who surpassed his teacher, Hitler, if not directly, then indirectly ...

            And the subsequent years of the development of mankind ... The papacy, a bullshit about the world, quietly stirs up wars in the same world ...

            The papacy has always had an extremely provocative, treacherous policy, and it always acted only in the interests of its own or a handful of frostbitten, but richest gray cardinals of a world level ...
            1. Bayonet
              Bayonet 10 October 2015 18: 06 New
              -2
              Quote: veksha50
              The papacy, the doldon of peace, is quietly fomenting war in the same world ...

              А Вы были в Ватикане? Уверен - нет. А я там был в прошлом году и "поджигателей войны" не видел. Прекрасные памятники старины, собор Святого Петра, музеи - видел. Швейцарских гвардейцев видел, но и они не тянут на "поджигателей" smile
      5. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 10 October 2015 10: 37 New
        +9
        Quote: self-propelled
        "...«Нас пугают, что Россия, мол, изобретёт свои «сороконожки» и будет ядерные боеголовки перевозить на своих — и на здоровье! Если у них есть сегодня мозги и деньги, которых у них нет — пускай изобретают!», — заявил Лукашенко.

        Lukashenko thinks that to create such a tractor you need to be seven spans in your forehead what’s called, maybe this would be a problem for Ethiopia or Congo, but for a country that builds space rockets, 4th generation submarines and 5th generation fighters, this is not a problem.
      6. Rus2012
        Rus2012 10 October 2015 10: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: self-propelled
        in particular, it will not gain control over the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant OJSC (MZKT)

        It is worth looking at the shareholders of Kamaz PJSC -
        KAMAZ PJSC (Kama Automobile Plant) is the largest complex of enterprises for the production of heavy trucks and automobiles, tractors, diesel engines and components in Russia and the CIS, located in Naberezhnye Chelny (Republic of Tatarstan).

        It is among the 10 of the world's leading companies for the production of heavy trucks, occupies the 8-th place in the world in terms of diesel engine output.

        The process chain group includes 13 of the main subsidiaries. 12 of them are located in the city of Naberezhnye Chelny of the Republic of Tatarstan.

        THE STRUCTURE OF THE COMPANY

        Car factory
        KAMAZ-Metallurgy, PAO
        Kama foundry
        Kama Forge Plant
        Kama Automotive Plant
        PJSC Kama Press and Frame Plant
        PAO KAMAZ-Diesel
        ZAO Remdiesel
        PJSC "Trade and financial company" KAMAZ "
        PJSC Neftekamsk Automobile Plant (NEFAZ)
        PJSC Avtoprailer-KAMAZ
        Dealer center "Avtosila"
        PJSC "KamazTechService"
        KAMAZautotechnics LLC
        PJSC Kamazinstrumentspetsmash
        PJSC Kama industrial park "Master"
        KAMAZ-Finance LLC
        PJSC KAMAZ-Capital
        Scientific and technical center "PJSC" KAMAZ "
        The main production facilities of the plant are located in the industrial zone of Naberezhnye Chelny. In Neftekamsk (Bashkortostan) buses are produced.

        KAMAZ PJSC is a full-cycle enterprise combining metallurgical, forging, press-and-frame, mechanical assembly, special engineering and tool production with all the necessary energy and auxiliary facilities as part of 16 specialized plants in the Russian Federation and CIS countries, of which 9 - in Naberezhnye Chelny.

        In addition to development and production, the company is engaged in service maintenance of trucks and cars, domestic and foreign trade and other activities.

        The unified production complex of the KAMAZ group of organizations covers the entire technological cycle of production of trucks - from the development, manufacture, assembly of vehicles and automotive components to the sale of finished products and service support.

        KAMAZ PJSC has assembly plants in Vietnam, Iran, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, and North Korea. The assembly is made entirely from components supplied from KAMAZ.

        Catalog

        KAMAZ PJSC produces a wide range of trucks: trucks (more than 30 models, more than 400 models, right-hand drive vehicles), trailers, buses, tractors, engines, power units and various tools.

        The KAMAZ-740.60 – 360, KAMAZ-740.61 – 320 and KAMAZ-740.62 – 280 engines comply with Euro-3 international environmental standards.

        MAJOR SHAREHOLDERS

        49,90% - State Corporation for the Promotion, Development, Production and Export of High-Tech Industrial Products “Russian Technologies”
        45,65% - CJSC NSD, NPO
        20,81% - AUTOINVEST LIMITED (AVTOINVEST LIMITED) (Cyprus)
        11% - Daimler AG, Germany


        GUIDE

        General Director - Sergey Kogogin
        Chairman of the Board of Directors - Chemezov Sergey Viktorovich
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 10 October 2015 11: 04 New
          +1
          but the latest known data from the wiki -
          Shareholders of the plant as of November 1 2014 of the year [12] [11]:

          49,9% of the shares are owned by the state corporation Russian Technologies;
          20,81% controls Avtoinvest Limited / Autoinvest Limited;
          15% is owned by Daimler (the stake in 10% was sold to Daimler by Troika Dialog for $ 250 million at the beginning of December 2008, another 5% was acquired at the end of October 2014 from EBRD);
          4,25% is owned by KAMAZ International Management CO., LP;
          3,72% is controlled by KAMAZ Financial Leasing Company LLC;
          2,73% is owned by Decodelement Services Limited.
          At the same time, KamAZ has many minority shareholders (over 76 thousand individuals) [13].
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 10 October 2015 12: 46 New
            +1
            Quote: Rus2012
            49,9% of the shares are owned by the state corporation Russian Technologies;

            If this is true, then it is bad that the state does not have a controlling stake.
          2. veksha50
            veksha50 10 October 2015 14: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            15% is owned by Daimler (a 10% stake was sold to Daimler by "Three dialogue" for $ 250 million in early December 2008 years, another 5% were acquired at the end of October 2014 from the EBRD);


            Eh, a little earlier Sber would have swallowed this three ... Then these shares would belong to the state (more precisely, to the Bank with state participation) ...
        2. veksha50
          veksha50 10 October 2015 11: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Rus2012
          MAJOR SHAREHOLDERS

          49,90% - State Corporation for the Promotion, Development, Production and Export of High-Tech Industrial Products “Russian Technologies”
          45,65% - CJSC NSD, NPO
          20,81% - AUTOINVEST LIMITED (AVTOINVEST LIMITED) (Cyprus)
          11% - Daimler AG, Germany



          Um ... 49,9 + 45,65 + 20,81 + 11 = 127,36%

          Forgive me, but when such unreliable information comes, can you trust her ???

          But about the last 20,81% and 11% - you need to think ... Yes, and it is not clear - 45,65% - NSD CJSC, NCOs - that’s what you need to deal with urgently !!! What non-profit organization can be in a clean industrial business structure ???
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 10 October 2015 11: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: veksha50
            Um ... 49,9 + 45,65 + 20,81 + 11 = 127,36%

            he noticed ... but the data of BusinessOnline - http://www.business-gazeta.ru/company/48/
            Maybe they have a different calculation - taking into account minority shareholders -
            At the same time, KamAZ has many minority shareholders (over 76 thousand individuals)


            National Settlement Depository (NSD) - Russian non-bank credit organization, the central depository of Russia, a professional participant in the securities market engaged in depository activities.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 10 October 2015 14: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: Rus2012
              Russian non-bank credit organization,



              But that sounds bad - NPO ... So I fell for her ...

              But with interest - definitely - some rubbish ...
      7. ssn18
        ssn18 10 October 2015 11: 13 New
        +3
        "... равно как и замене продукции «МТЗ»."

        And here But father either whistles or not in courses. MTZ is assembling the so-called Chelyabinsk tractor kits.
        And whose engines on the MZKT? laughing
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 10 October 2015 14: 10 New
          +2
          Power units are manufactured by YaMZ and TMZ Yaroslavl and Tutaevo. YaMZ-870 and YaMZ-880. And various modifications of diesel engines 150/180, series V-2; V-55 and other tank diesel engines manufactured by the Ural Turbo-Motor and ChTZ Engine Plant. This workshop is not a workshop you name it.
    3. Warm Padded Jacket
      Warm Padded Jacket 10 October 2015 10: 23 New
      +9
      so father will crash between 2 chairs, like Yanukovych, we must prepare for the confusion of goods)))
      1. SteelRatTV
        SteelRatTV 10 October 2015 10: 32 New
        +6
        Трошки "не в тему": "Россия отвергла план Украины по реструктуризации долга" http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1546496/ crying "...национальное индейское жилище. Фигвам называется!" repeat fellow
    4. veksha50
      veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: APASUS
      As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move But father from our market, since such investments in the new platform



      But father a couple of months ago, at a briefing, spoke bluntly and rudely about Russia ... The conversation was just about the production and sale of these tractors ...

      It’s a pity, I didn’t have a link ... But, in general, in the yard company for such phrases they immediately give to the bread slicer ...

      So it’s not for nothing that KAMAZ took up this matter, and apparently did not start developing it yesterday, since the truck problem was long overdue ...

      Well done KAMAZ! Another brick in the wall of defense and independence of the country!
    5. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 10 October 2015 10: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      Kamaz wants to move Father from our market

      Not at all. Most likely, Belarusians are not able to lay out so much of everything that the Russian Ministry of Defense really needs. And you need a lot for various purposes. Probably. Plus, it is not known what will happen tomorrow.
    6. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 10 October 2015 10: 33 New
      +7
      Quote: APASUS
      As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.

      This is not Kamaz wants, this is President Putin wants it. Lukashenko is very moody. And in fact, why give crazy money for the manufacture of tractors, which we ourselves can do. Serving them is also worth the money. And in Russia, people will be busy in production. Automotive science will evolve. Some pluses. Yes, and Old Man will reflect on his foreign policy.
      And if he wants to Europe, which is unlikely to be, an example of Square is very close.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 10 October 2015 11: 05 New
        +4
        Great news from KAMAZ! This is a sober sober hit Old Man. And then he considers himself unique and irreplaceable.
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    8. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 10 October 2015 11: 24 New
      +3
      All right. Just Old Man a little can not be determined. Of course, the ponyas are their own country, but thanks - the rake two years ago was already caught a second time (The first was 25 years ago).
      It’s better to be safe.
      1. mich
        mich 10 October 2015 19: 40 New
        0
        Quote: ShadowCat
        own country

        Precisely noticed colleague! It’s time to rename Belarus as a principality, because for a long time there is no border between the interests of the state and the interests of the family you understand who, and as you know, the power in the feudal estates is transferred only by inheritance ... therefore this decision is not a stone to the side of Belarus, but only the desire to protect yourself from the next comeback of the chairman of the Republic of Belarus
        1. anti-Semite
          anti-Semite 10 October 2015 23: 37 New
          0
          так там и "оппозиция" против России так что у нас выбора особо и нет
    9. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 10 October 2015 11: 24 New
      0
      All right. Just Old Man a little can not be determined. Of course, the ponyas are their own country, but thanks - the rake two years ago was already caught a second time (The first was 25 years ago).
      It’s better to be safe.
    10. plahish_alex
      plahish_alex 10 October 2015 11: 27 New
      +1
      once such tractors were produced at KZKT, in all the known years the plant was bankrupt and sold out
    11. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 10 October 2015 11: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Warm Padded Jacket
      so father will crash between 2 chairs, like Yanukovych, we must prepare for the confusion of goods)))

      That's it! The old man is already an old one, and how many kids he does not carry with him, after leaving the old man, we get a second Ukraine, I have no doubt about that. This should be prepared in advance.
    12. maiman61
      maiman61 10 October 2015 11: 58 New
      +4
      I don’t absolutely believe Lukashenko! It's time to completely abandon their products, let you down at any time! This is the second Ukraine.
      1. Good me
        Good me 10 October 2015 12: 35 New
        0
        Quote: maiman61
        I don’t absolutely believe Lukashenko! It's time to completely abandon their products, let you down at any time! This is the second Ukraine.


        Хорошо, что третьей нет... Иначе,повторение провала по "первой",подтверждённое "разбродом и шатанием" во "второй", наведёт на мысль о несостоятельности и нерешительности нашей внешней политики в отношении бывших членов СССР...
    13. SOLGA
      SOLGA 10 October 2015 12: 15 New
      +1
      as the saying goes - hoping for a dad, but don’t go wrong)
    14. Приговор
      Приговор 10 October 2015 12: 33 New
      +2
      Alas, there is no hope for him. The cunning painfully became an ally towards us.
    15. Juborg
      Juborg 10 October 2015 13: 03 New
      0
      Возможно этого бы не произошло, но бацька начал кренделя крутить по привычке и тыкать нас носом в гуно, со словами "а куда вы денетесь", загнув совсем вам скажу на божескую(не партнёрскую) цену на изделие. А на предложение войти в концерн с последующей модернизацией производство, он категорически отверг. Видимо РФ будет переходить на собственные тягочи, после всех испытаний. Судя по видео, получилось неплохо, но одно "НО!", дальнобойщики не в восторге от самих машин "КАМАЗ". На счёт "БАЗ" по поломкам инфы у меня нет.Единственно что известно о "БАЗах",это то что внутри, как и снаружи они вырублены каменным топором.
    16. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 10 October 2015 16: 03 New
      +1
      A normal topic that they could not do before!
    17. Very old
      Very old 11 October 2015 08: 50 New
      0
      As I understand it - Dad, do not cast your eyes to the West ...
  2. Denis DV
    Denis DV 10 October 2015 09: 52 New
    +1
    Inspire, pull the tomayok bully
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 10 October 2015 11: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Denis DV
      Inspire, pull the tomayok



      YaRS - all the more, it’s about one and a half times lighter ...
      1. ssn18
        ssn18 10 October 2015 14: 28 New
        0
        Count the number of axes of Poplar and Yars.
  3. Arkan
    Arkan 10 October 2015 09: 53 New
    +6
    It was also reported that the presented machines are designed to replace heavy trucks of Belarusian production, in particular, the Minsk wheel tractor plant.


    It seems that father backfilled, import substitution is evident.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 October 2015 10: 11 New
      15
      I don’t know what’s being done? I had my own plant in Kurgan, it went bankrupt 5 years ago. For the sake of KAMAZ or something for the sake of the father. So Lukashenko has long oriented the MKZT on the production of Volat heavy and super-heavy tractors and trucks. It seems from the middle of 90 years of the last century. And the KZKT missile carriers were no different from the Minsk MKZT. Yes, and in appearance KAMAZ is not much different from the MKZT and KZKT. That's where you have to dig into the accounting chamber for the dough cut, and Lukashenka’s participation in this cut. And let him not boast that they created it. All this equipment was created in US and the 21st Research Institute in Bronnitsy.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Amurets
        I don’t know what is being done? There was such a plant in Kurgan, it went bankrupt 5 years ago.



        We have a lot of things that have gone bankrupt and destroyed ... A whole powerful country - the USSR, and no one has taken any responsibility for this ... There, the bastard is still giving autographs, marked with autographs, and the other is sometimes only painted over a monument with paint ... And - all !!!

        А Вы - про "какой-то" завод...

        PS And 5 years ago there were no sanctions and Lukashenko didn’t blackmail Russia so ...
        Так что эти санкции хоть как-то, но ткнули правительство мордой об тейбл и заставило подумать: "Что же мы натворили ???"...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 10 October 2015 15: 19 New
          +2
          Это не какой-то завод,а единственный в России и знали что председатель колхоза задом крутит.Требовали Министерство обороны,ВПК,Путин что-бы Кудрин рассчитался с долгами заводу.Но Кудрина в очередной раз поразил приступ "Голландской болезни".Государство с заводом не рассчиталось,завод обанкротили.Вы правы и в том что много уникальных предприятий уничтожили.У нас на металлолом продали завод Амурэлектроприбор.Разбирали оборудование сами китайцы.Так вот недавно знакомый ездил туда,на этот завод китайцы его пригласили что-то там отремонтировать.Так вот этот завод,который работал на АСЗ,Комсомольский авиационный,сейчас на полную мощность снабжает Китайскую армию и флот приборами.
          You are right that there were no sanctions, but Lukashenko had a financial stress and he tried to get a loan from Russia by any means. I don’t remember exactly, but it seems that at that time they imposed sanctions against Lukashenko.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Arkan
      It seems, father turned around backwards, import substitution is evident.



      Hmm ... And the ass was replaced ???
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 10 October 2015 11: 31 New
        +6
        And the chairs on which this jo .. wants to sit, and the ban on ribbons of St. George and much more can be seen from Russia.
  4. company7777
    company7777 10 October 2015 09: 57 New
    +2
    Soon we will probably see Yars on the basis of Kamaz !!!
  5. Ai yai
    Ai yai 10 October 2015 09: 59 New
    +2
    Недавно аналогичная статья была, только там еще добавлялась реакция Лукашенко! Что-то вроде " пусть делают, если у них хватит мозгов и денег"
    1. avt
      avt 10 October 2015 10: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: Ay Yai
      Недавно аналогичная статья была, только там еще добавлялась реакция Лукашенко! Что-то вроде " пусть делают, если у них хватит мозгов и денег"

      The pride is closed, and he said angrier -
      Quote: self-propelled
      "...«Нас пугают, что Россия, мол, изобретёт свои «сороконожки» и будет ядерные боеголовки перевозить на своих — и на здоровье! Если у них есть сегодня мозги и деньги, которых у них нет — пускай изобретают!», — заявил Лукашенко.

      Oh how! laughing Ну вот и выяснилось что деньги есть и их потратили не на кредитование Бацки , а вполне себе на разработку машины , хотя можно было и иначе распорядиться . На счет мозгов тоже сложилось , честно скажем - на КаМАЗе это далось не просто и это еще не готовый продукт -доводить будут . Но опять же уже без Бацки. Что ен скажет на это ? Ну наверное -,,Нас нагибают!" ,,Мы же саюзное гасударство !" Ну в общем и целом кричалки то нами хорошо выучены - надоело .
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Ay Yai
      Недавно аналогичная статья была, только там еще добавлялась реакция Лукашенко! Что-то вроде " пусть делают, если у них хватит мозгов и денег"



      Ее в тот момент многие стыдливо обошли, статья осталась практически с нулевым рейтингом... А все потому, что "низзя друзей и союзников" грязью обливать... А грязь-то - не от нас пошла...
  6. EXVI
    EXVI 10 October 2015 10: 01 New
    +3
    Let the men raise the brand! This is my own, and most importantly, not from behind the hill and does not care what they copied! My opinion!
  7. Ah1ll
    Ah1ll 10 October 2015 10: 01 New
    +5
    Alexander G. said that we could not have invented such a miracle for about 15 years! Our answer is already driving. After 15 years, they will not even remember the Minsk hardships.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 10 October 2015 10: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: Ah1LL
      Alexander G. said that we could not have invented such a miracle for about 15 years! Our answer is already driving. After 15 years, they will not even remember the Minsk hardships.

      Invent !!? It can be put into series, because the best practices for tractors at least eat some booty.
      1. Ah1ll
        Ah1ll 10 October 2015 11: 01 New
        -1
        “We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its“ centipedes ”and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have brains and money today, which they don’t have, let them invent it! ”Said Lukashenko, addressing the director of the state enterprise and the group of officials accompanying him.

        Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1952292.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.
        No need to cling to words! You perfectly understood the thought! And if our kamazs go into the series, then surely not today and not tomorrow and not by pike command. This will take more than one year! This is not firewood to carry!
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 10 October 2015 17: 02 New
        +1
        There are good books and they are called like that; Secret cars of the Soviet army. Cars of the Red Army 1918-1945 and Cars of the Soviet Army 1945-1991.
  8. gfs84
    gfs84 10 October 2015 10: 01 New
    0
    Fig yourself in 8-axis maneuverability all axles controlled 16ws obtained)))
    1. Hello
      Hello 10 October 2015 10: 39 New
      0
      The turning radius of the 8-axle seems to be smaller than on the Zhiguli. Or not?
      1. gfs84
        gfs84 10 October 2015 10: 58 New
        +2
        The turning radius of the 8-axle seems to be smaller than on the Zhiguli. Or not?


        У МЗКТ-79221 (с шестью упровляемыми осями) радиус поворота 18 метров, вряд ли две дополнительные оси сократили у КАмаЗ данный параметр до жигулёвских 5 с половиной метров. Но всё равно впечатляет когда такая "туша" может развернутся на "пяточке" чуть длиннее своей длины)
  9. Alekseits
    Alekseits 10 October 2015 10: 05 New
    +6
    Daddy show off father. Well, they all consider Russians for complete idiots, they say they can not do anything without us. It's a shame even. wink
  10. uzer 13
    uzer 13 10 October 2015 10: 08 New
    +6
    KAMAZ has all the technical capabilities to create such a tractor; for a long time it was necessary to deal with such matters. In vain Lukashenko boasted, he had no monopoly on production, and his competitors were serious.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 October 2015 10: 35 New
      +3
      Всегда занимались.С 1950 года КЗКТ производил подобную технику.Даже ссылок давать не буду. Вбиваете в поисковик "кзкт русичи" смотрите что он производил до 2011года и кто его банкротил.
  11. Romanenko
    Romanenko 10 October 2015 10: 11 New
    +2
    Очень симпатичные "малыши", в чем-то наверняка дублируют изделия МЗКТ, но не думаю, что полностью. Красиво, теперь дело за серийным производством, а то на КАМАЗЕ с работой плоховато, а под этих милашек можно удержать рабочие места, а с учетом программы броневиков, так и вовсе может и добавить.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 10 October 2015 10: 18 New
      12
      We also have Bryansk. If two plants will work. We will completely cover our needs, and maybe we will sell for export. In short kirdyk dad.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 10 October 2015 10: 49 New
        0
        Quote: keel 31
        We also have Bryansk. If two plants will work. We will completely cover our needs, and maybe we will sell for export. In short kirdyk dad.

        Whether for export we will sell tractors in a row. American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable. Our cars and tractors are not quoted abroad.
        By the way, Belarusian heavy vehicles are also not needed by anyone abroad. They have enough of their own and agricultural products are not needed there. So the Old Man will have to keep up with Russian politics. And if it starts licking the back seat to NATO and EU members, then gas can be increased in price or the valve can be tightened altogether.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 October 2015 11: 09 New
          -1
          Even as they buy, and at the expense of American and German engines are more compact and reliable - this can be argued.
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 10 October 2015 23: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            Even as they buy, and at the expense of American and German engines are more compact and reliable - this can be argued.

            The Americans in 1970 planned to install diesel engines 1 hp on their first Abrams M1500, but installed a gas turbine 1500 hp The Germans put 1977 diesel engines on their Leopards from 1500.
            There are still no such powerful engines on our tanks. So far, they only say that they will put diesel 14 hp on the T-1500, but so far there is no such engine in our army, now the 14 hp engine is on the T-1100.
            Argue, do not argue, there is nothing to argue about. Our designers still cannot create a compact engine for the tank on 1500 hp.
            And what do you think the Americans and Germans are stomping around, probably already thinking of increasing the power of tank engines to 2000 hp without increasing the size.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 11 October 2015 07: 00 New
              +1
              Алексей_К не нашёл я в интернете статью из зарубежного военного обозрения по танкам Абрамс. Но точно помню, изначально М-1 Абрамс проектировался под ГТУ,а дизельный двигатель ставился для сравнения и первоначальных испытаний.Если вас конкретно интересуют наши разработки двигателей военного назначения то в интернете можно найти книги 2-х томник Зубов "Двигатели танков",Рязанцев "Моторы и судьбы",Вавилонский"Основной боевой танк России".Вообще я считаю что главной характеристикой танковых двигателей должна быть не мощность,а крутящий момент и тяговая характеристика, а не мощность.
        2. Good me
          Good me 10 October 2015 11: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable.


          You forgot about environmental friendliness ...

          http://newsrbk.ru/news/2272220-prokuratura-zapodozrila-byivshego-glavu-Volkswage
          n-AG-v-moshennichestve.html
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 10 October 2015 23: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Good I
            Quote: Алексей_К
            American and German engines have always been more powerful, more compact, more economical and more reliable.


            You forgot about environmental friendliness ...

            Well, first of all - in the war nobody needs this your environmental friendliness. In war, compactness, power, efficiency and sometimes even fuel consumption are not so important, because tanks thing in battle is not durable.
            And secondly - Americans also like to throw false information in order to discredit a competitor. If they gave a comparison with their diesels. And besides, there were no German representatives in testing. There they are about Russia generally write lies from morning till night every day. Found someone to believe.
        3. ssn18
          ssn18 10 October 2015 11: 31 New
          +1
          "Американские и немецкие двигатели всегда были мощнее, "

          Во как. Тогда позвольте полюбопытствовать, почему до настоящего времени никто не создал тягача для пусковой установки типа "Пионер", "Тополь", "Ярс" с одним двигателем?
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 10 October 2015 23: 22 New
            0
            Quote: ssn18
            "Американские и немецкие двигатели всегда были мощнее, "

            Во как. Тогда позвольте полюбопытствовать, почему до настоящего времени никто не создал тягача для пусковой установки типа "Пионер", "Тополь", "Ярс" с одним двигателем?

            "Пионер", "Тополь", "Ярс" - это российские разработки, кто же на них западные двигатели будет ставить.
            The Americans in 1970 planned to install diesel engines 1 hp on their first Abrams M1500, but installed a gas turbine 1500 hp The Germans put 1977 diesel engines on their Leopards from 1500.
            There are still no such powerful engines on our tanks. So far, they only say that they will put diesel 14 hp on the T-1500, but so far there is no such engine in our army, now the 14 hp engine is on the T-1100.
            Argue, do not argue, there is nothing to argue about. Our designers still cannot create a compact engine for the tank on 1500 hp.
            And what do you think the Americans and Germans are stomping around, probably already thinking of increasing the power of tank engines to 2000 hp without increasing the size.
            Так что пока "Во как".
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 55 New
        +2
        Quote: keel 31
        We also have Bryansk.



        Bryansk, it seems, under the PGRK Strategic Missile Forces are small in power ...
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 10 October 2015 11: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: veksha50
          Quote: keel 31
          We also have Bryansk.



          Bryansk, it seems, under the PGRK Strategic Missile Forces are small in power ...

          Kamaz will produce for the Strategic Missile Forces, and Bryansk for the MLRS well, and for any crap such as tractors for trawls. So we are well off without Minsk. hi
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 10 October 2015 14: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: keel 31
            Kamaz will produce for the Strategic Missile Forces, and Bryansk for the MLRS well, and for any crap such as tractors for trawls. So we are provided without Minsk.



            The key is just the final phrase ...
            1. kil 31
              kil 31 10 October 2015 15: 31 New
              +4
              Quote: veksha50
              Quote: keel 31
              Kamaz will produce for the Strategic Missile Forces, and Bryansk for the MLRS well, and for any crap such as tractors for trawls. So we are provided without Minsk.



              The key is just the final phrase ...

              Naturally, no matter how we were friends, it is better to have everything at home. We have already pierced the sea with diggers. hi
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 October 2015 10: 14 New
    +2
    Old Man did not want to let Kamaz into the shareholders. And the client is Old Russia. Now he will either lose the MORF order or sell Maz.
  13. Wiruz
    Wiruz 10 October 2015 10: 15 New
    +3
    I understand that soon the S-400 and S-500 will be installed on domestic platforms bully
  14. Old26
    Old26 10 October 2015 10: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: company officer7777
    Soon we will probably see Yars on the basis of Kamaz !!!

    Еще не скоро. Да и не имеет смысла делать один комплекс на двух разных машинах. Часть на МЗКТ, часть на КАМАЗе. Для новых - да, возможно, или в перспективу на замену, но не сейчас. Тем более, это только первые кадры, машинам предстоит пройти весь цикл испытаний, затем доработка замечаний. Так что ни "Ярс", ни "Рубеж" в ближайшее время не будет на КАМАЗах. Возможно в перспективе...

    Quote: gfs84
    A fig for 8-Osnik maneuverability all axles controlled

    the first four
    1. gfs84
      gfs84 10 October 2015 10: 27 New
      +2
      From the 45th second, view the entire reversal monitor, it is clearly visible that all axes are controlled.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 10 October 2015 10: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: gfs84
      A fig for 8-Osnik maneuverability all axles controlled
      the first four

      The video and rear axles are steered. Watch carefully.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 10 October 2015 15: 40 New
      +1
      Old26! Look at the Truck-Press magazines last year and this year. There are reviews of all platforms for the army. I’ll drop the link for you now. There are not only 4 front-driven ones. Http://www.gruzovikpress.ru/
      This is a link to the anniversary of the MKZT. Look at the magazines for the past and the beginning of this year.
  15. JD1979
    JD1979 10 October 2015 10: 16 New
    10
    Каждый раз когда Россия предлагала объединить усилия в какой то сфере, батька надувался как индюк, мол мы сами "вумные" нафик нам никто не нужен, мы сделаем, а вы купите. Ага, наивняк, и тупое убожество у руля государства. И где теперь его МАЗ, МТЗ с убогой техникой проглого века. И что начали выпускать КАМАЗ, УРАЛ? Сейчас еще МЗКТ опустили под плинтус. Там и до последнего БЕЛАЗа скоро дойдет. И останется у него только "колбаса пальце пиханая"(его слова про то что если каждый житель Беларуси сделает килограми этой колбасы то страна получит ощутимый экономический эффект. Так и хочется высказаться фразой приписываемой Лаврову - Д.. Б...).
  16. 3vs
    3vs 10 October 2015 10: 20 New
    +5
    And rightly so!
    Import substitution, so import substitution, but in the defense it is critical!
  17. starshina pv
    starshina pv 10 October 2015 10: 21 New
    +3
    Old Man will be offended, and will impose sanctions against Russia !! not see us Belarusian pineapples !!!
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 October 2015 17: 12 New
      +2
      And where will we put the new fleet if it blocks the Belorussian Sea.
  18. BOB044
    BOB044 10 October 2015 10: 22 New
    +3
    Yes Old Man is afraid of his cunning policy. That’s the result now, than later as with Ukraine. Redo everything on the run.
  19. VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 10 October 2015 10: 22 New
    +7
    Sometimes it seems that Lukashenko is GOD, as I say it will be so. I really do not want to offend the brotherly people, but everyone perfectly understands at whose expense Belarus lives. We swallow the insulting statements of the President of the Republic of Belarus, but it seems to me for the time being.
  20. Sergey333
    Sergey333 10 October 2015 10: 23 New
    +7
    Правильно, нельзя зависеть от зарубежной страны в таком важном секторе обороны. "Батьку" уберут и что тогда? Останемся без С-400 и тополей.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 10 October 2015 11: 34 New
      +1
      Somehow you Sergey misunderstand the cleaning company in Belarus
  21. veksha50
    veksha50 10 October 2015 10: 26 New
    +5
    "КамАЗ построил многоколёсный тягач в интересах Минобороны"...

    Well done!

    And then Lukashenko began to speculate, blackmail already with his tractors for our Strategic Missile Forces and anti-aircraft defense systems ...
  22. Hello
    Hello 10 October 2015 10: 38 New
    +1
    The turning radius of the 8-axis is smaller than on the Lada. Or not?
  23. roskot
    roskot 10 October 2015 10: 42 New
    +4
    Old Man first of all thinks about his country. And we must do for ourselves and for ourselves. Then there will be less frills from the dad.
  24. semuil
    semuil 10 October 2015 10: 45 New
    +2
    Its own is somehow closer to the body. The main thing is that for the sake of indestructible friendship our chassis did not become museum exhibits.
  25. hartlend
    hartlend 10 October 2015 10: 56 New
    +1
    Belarusians are no longer trusted. Suddenly, sanctions will be imposed. How will we be without tractors?
  26. Old26
    Old26 10 October 2015 10: 57 New
    +2
    Quote: gfs84
    From the 45th second, view the entire reversal monitor, it is clearly visible that all axes are controlled.

    You are right, Sergey! Indeed, all managed ... was wrong
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 October 2015 16: 11 New
      +4
      Volodya! I saw the motor-wheel control system, so it’s generally miserable. On the way, the testers asked for help to replace the wheel, we had a crane with a crane. There was a KAMAZ 43118. You can put the dirt to the waist. As I lifted and helped I will not describe it. But when they removed the wheel, the senior of that car opened the hood for inspection, inside the motor wheel there was not only moisture, there was no dust. There were two ordinary bodies on the car loaded with some blocks, such as ballast. They wound, as our drivers said, somewhere around months along the broken Bamov roads, through swamps through the taiga. I saw them myself once when I was driving to the mine. It was 2012. The electronics were all inside the boxes, but the power cables didn’t work for them, either laying or insulation .Yes and yet the system is complex.
  27. sl22277
    sl22277 10 October 2015 11: 06 New
    +6
    The President of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko, who, when visiting the MZKT, said literally the following: “We are scared that Russia, they say, will invent its“ centipedes ”and will transport nuclear warheads on its own - and on health! If they have brains and money today that they don’t have, let them invent it. ” The answer was not long in coming: The presence of a functional platform that can even theoretically replace the Belarusian counterparts gives the Russian side a significant advantage in negotiations on the corporation of the Minsk enterprise. No wonder “Platform-O” was called the “black mark” of Lukashenko back in August.
  28. Fitter65
    Fitter65 10 October 2015 11: 07 New
    +3
    Well, one must not forget where the MZKT came from from the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant. From there, KrAZ was born ....
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 October 2015 13: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Fitter65
      Well, one must not forget where the MZKT came from from the Yaroslavl Automobile Plant. From there, KrAZ was born ....

      During 1959, the production of cars at YaAZ was gradually phased out and by the end of the year it was completely transferred to the new Kremenchug Automobile Plant (KrAZ). YaAZ was renamed the Yaroslavl Motor Plant (YaMZ) and began to produce multi-cylinder 4-stroke diesel engines and gearboxes for heavy vehicles, becoming the largest Russian company of this profile.
      MZKT OJSC has been counting its history since July 23, 1954. On this day, by the order of the Director of the Minsk Automobile Plant No. 15cc in pursuance of the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated June 25, 1954 No. 1258-563cc and the orders of the Minister of Automobile, Tractor and Agricultural Engineering of the USSR No. 21ss and No. 25cc, a special design bureau No. 1 was created at the Minsk Automobile Plant (SKB-1) for heavy wheeled artillery tractors and engines for them with an experimental base.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 10 October 2015 16: 37 New
        +2
        Bayonet, you’re mistaken a little. YaMZ at that time produced 2-stroke diesel engines YaAZ-M-204 and YaAZ-M-206, as well as the diesel engine D-12-300 and D-12-400 for heavy-duty dump trucks Maz-525 Maz-530 .A 4-stroke diesel engines began to produce a year later.
  29. Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 10 October 2015 11: 12 New
    +4
    Властолюбец. Не хочет попадать, как ему кажется, под чье-либо влияние (России). А хитрож-х жизнь всегда наказывала. Кредит "братского доверия" уже на исходе.
  30. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 October 2015 11: 17 New
    -1
    At best, they will go into the series in 10 years. Too strict requirements, these are not panel trucks. So, that we too early to rejoice, and dad to experience the same.
  31. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 10 October 2015 11: 25 New
    +3
    Cooperation by cooperation, alliance by alliance ... and the best ally of Russia is Russia itself. Of course, you need to be friends with Belarus, but it’s always better to be independent in everything.
  32. Stranger
    Stranger 10 October 2015 11: 29 New
    +4
    And it’s pavilion. After Ukraine, a native needs to be self-explanatory. Today friends are traitors. Lukoshenko is still the Crest, (today we eat yours and tomorrow I myself)
  33. Urri
    Urri 10 October 2015 11: 37 New
    0
    KamAZ residents have relied on the electric drive. On the one hand, all axes are controllable, on the other hand, problems occur during ford passage, oxidation of contact groups under high currents is a problem. In a computer, gold in contacts is normal, in a tractor of this class I do not know.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 October 2015 13: 29 New
      +2
      There modern engines are brushless. The motor wheels themselves are already a hundred years old at lunch smile So there is nothing fundamentally complicated here. Look at this handsome Lohner-Porsche, created in the late nineteenth century by Ferdinand Porsche.
      By the way, nothing can compare with the motor wheel in ensuring active traffic safety - all advanced electromechanical algorithms such as ABS, ESP, Traction Control, Brake Assist and so on are easily flashed into the control software and act on each individual wheel.
  34. ssn18
    ssn18 10 October 2015 11: 40 New
    +2
    Good news. It’s not good when our ICBMs use imported tractors, even a fraternal country. This is a defense. Yes, and the supreme gave the command for import substitution in the Armed Forces.
  35. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 10 October 2015 11: 40 New
    +3
    [quote = roskot]Old Man first of all thinks about his country.
    Controversial moment! Rather, like this: Lukashenko cares about his political real PR, but this does not fit in with the routine administrative work, and he is preparing a successor dictatorially. Nevertheless, at the state level, the policy of speculation leads to a dead end: take a look at Merkel and ours, for example current relations with Germany. And let’s see, Russia has always been and will be rich in brainy people, so let’s launch it in a series, God willing!
  36. Old26
    Old26 10 October 2015 11: 42 New
    -2
    Quote: Urri
    KamAZ residents have relied on the electric drive. On the one hand, all axes are controllable, on the other hand, problems occur during ford passage, oxidation of contact groups under high currents is a problem. In a computer, gold in contacts is normal, in a tractor of this class I do not know.

    К тому же не только броды, как "мотор-колесо" поведет себя в экстремальных условиях бездорожья и погоды пока не ясно. И по некоторым данным на выставке "Армия-2015" КАМАЗ вроде бы демонстрировал желание перейти на классическую трансмиссию... Так что не скоро, очень не скоро они пойдут в серию
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 10 October 2015 17: 35 New
      +3
      Old26! The motor-wheel is well worked out. I don’t remember already dressed up the number, but please check the Truck-Press again. I don’t remember the magazine number, but you need to know which complex the 18-axle tractor was designed for. It stood for several years without supervision. started, turned off several faulty electric motors and went to transport the yacht.
  37. Urri
    Urri 10 October 2015 12: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Old26
    как "мотор-колесо" поведет себя в экстремальных условиях бездорожья и погоды пока не ясно


    At work, I had experience operating systems with current-carrying rings for high currents. Only full, absolute tightness + special measures to drain the internal space saves. Condensation on a temperature difference, a stop - and everything instantly freezes. In general, there is something to splash the brains about. Even more
  38. sabakina
    sabakina 10 October 2015 12: 25 New
    +7
    As a driver, I am offended ... To build one auto giant, you need to destroy another auto giant. KamAZ-development ZiL. ZIL is a good car, albeit with its own shortcomings, but it pulled its strap properly.
  39. ZAV69
    ZAV69 10 October 2015 12: 26 New
    +2
    Идеальная машина не должна иметь движущихся частей. (С) А. Кларк, кажется в "Город 1000 лет"
    If you think about it, he’s right. So the electric drive circuit for each wheel fits into this concept. Yes, and hell is applied knows how much time on the same belaz. On wheel formulas 12X12 and 16X16, the complexity of mechanics is beyond the limits. Handouts, driveshafts, differentials, CV joints. Each bearing and joint must be protected from dust and damage. And here there are only wires. The entire drive can be shoved in a sealed capsule. If the drive of an individual wheel is damaged, the wheel and the drive can be disengaged, for example, on an UAZ in the front axle, the axle shafts are turned out. Electronic control. The main thing is to screen well. In the future, a good solution. The main performance that would not disappoint.
  40. sabakina
    sabakina 10 October 2015 12: 26 New
    +1
    Sorry, I can’t put several photos in one post ...
  41. galakt
    galakt 10 October 2015 12: 29 New
    0
    А вот интересно, двигатели для всех мазов кто делает? Неужели тоже "батька", а не ЯМЗ. Может гонит их из Швеции или Германии, с катерпиллером дружит вовсю. Правильно говорят: Как клопы насосались и отвалили. Похоже, разыгрывается карта Беларуси, поживём увидим, у них выборы на носу.
    1. ssn18
      ssn18 10 October 2015 18: 31 New
      +1
      "А вот интересно, двигатели для всех мазов кто делает?"

      А когда "батька" двигатели делал? Он только собирает то, что ему даст РФ.
  42. Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 10 October 2015 12: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Kil 31
    We also have Bryansk. If two plants will work. We will completely cover our needs, and maybe we will sell for export. In short kirdyk dad.

    Не надо кирдыка "Бацьке". Вам мало одной русофобской Украины под боком? Радуйтесь, что в Белоруссии Лукашенко, хоть и хитрый, но все таки адекватный и самое главное - партиот и выступает за интеграцию. А ведь вместо него могут поставить белорусского Ющенко или, что хуже, Порошенко! Лукашенко патриот своей страны и это естественно, что он будет добиваться более выгодных условий для своей страны. Это абсолютно нормально.Как нормально то, что Россия добивается таких условий для себя. В споре рождается истина. Именно в переговорах, взаимных компромиссах принимаются решения, выгодны обоим сторонам.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 10 October 2015 13: 29 New
      +1
      Все так. Но крутит Батька кормой. Хотя и "наши" олигархи еще те гниды, не без их загребущих ручонок у нас часто проблемы с белорусами.
    2. ssn18
      ssn18 10 October 2015 18: 36 New
      +1
      А кто кирдыка желает? Но тем не менее за базар отвечать надо. А после некоторых официальных заявлений А.И.Лукашенко, так и хочется задать вопрос: "Что делают с собакой, которая кусает руку кормящего?" Народа Беларуси это не касается, исключительно Лукашенко.
  43. Thor
    Thor 10 October 2015 13: 01 New
    +1
    Смотрю на него, и вижу "прокаченый" КЗКТ-7428, наверное воспоминание об армии winked And so, if the resource allows you to upgrade, why not ?! Yes, and you do not need to reinvent the wheel !!
  44. NordUral
    NordUral 10 October 2015 13: 27 New
    0
    Yes, although it is a pity, but the Belarusians moved along the path of the Maidan, and the Old Man along the winding path of the fugitive President of Ukraine. Therefore, you need to rely only on yourself. Still, liberals from all branches of power should be landed in the West. And then Nabiulin is the best head of the Central Bank, according to Western liberals, even their Central Bank head will not reach her.
  45. Mentor
    Mentor 10 October 2015 14: 22 New
    -4
    Quote: NordUral
    Yes, although it’s a pity, but the Belarusians moved along the path of the Maidan,

    Did not notice.
    I congratulate the designers of KamAZ on a good repetition of the development of the MZKT (at that time, also MAZ). Well done.
  46. Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 October 2015 14: 57 New
    +3
    The car is great.
    Even if you do not take modifications of large length,
    then such platforms will go a lot.
    And now we can develop all sorts of things for ourselves,
    without attracting Belarusians or revealing details to them.
    I’m not talking about the replacement of Belarusian tractors,
    just got the opportunity to develop their projects with more
    cooperation.
  47. Old26
    Old26 10 October 2015 16: 55 New
    0
    Quote: veksha50
    YaRS - all the more, it’s about one and a half times lighter ...

    Ух ты!!!!!!!! А я почему-то по своей наивности думал, что он на пару-тройку тонн тяжелее "Тополя", оказывается в 1,5 раза легче. То есть 30 тонн. Вот только непонятно, НАХРЕНА его размещать на восьмиосном шасси, когда более тяжелый (на 6 тонн) "Пионер" был на шестиосном??? Не подскажите???
  48. KRIG55
    KRIG55 10 October 2015 16: 58 New
    +2
    It is high time !!!! Belarus is not Ukraine, but from time to time problems also arise. The MZKT, of course, is a partner, but the Ukrainians brothers showed how quickly the brothers turn into implacable enemies. So you need to have everything you need regarding defense.
  49. Evilcat
    Evilcat 10 October 2015 18: 05 New
    +3
    Quote: APASUS
    As I understand it, Kamaz wants to move Father from our market, once such investments are made in the new platform.
    Yes, not to move But father, but to provide the country with its own equipment. Agree, the goals are somewhat different. And this is just great! KAMAZ is quite capable of such a task. one can only hope that he will do it.
  50. anti-Semite
    anti-Semite 10 October 2015 18: 46 New
    +2
    это разумно, в Белоруссии много националистов русофобов есть те кто называют себя "литвинами" есть те кто сейчас воюет на окраине против русских , такие не являются большинством но они есть как есть и те кто искренне хочет в европу и не известно как дальше сложится жизнь , а если бацку скинут? если к власти придут эти самые "литвины" и начнут такую же хрень как и украинцы? нам нужно думать о безопасности собственной страны и оборонка с сельским хозяйством это важнейший фактор выживания , нужно производить свою военную технику не потому что мы злые и хотим обидеть белорусов а потому что в этом мире вчерашний враг может в трудный момент протянуть руку помощи а те кто считался братьями вцепиться в горло а значит верить можно только себе