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NI: Powerful electronic intelligence is part of a Russian operation in Syria

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Created by Russians, an extensive electronic intelligence system consisting of airplanes, UAVs and other means is an important part of a swift anti-IS operation in Syria, according to an article published in The National Interest. Article translation leads Rossiyskaya Gazeta.




According to the publication, the Russian military began collecting intelligence on the targets at least simultaneously with the beginning of the bombing.

NI leads the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, proving the scanning of radio in Syria. The first of these, from October 5, says: "According to radio interception, there were foreign fighters in the camp. ”

The second message: "The videos shown earlier, which depict the destruction of militant equipment, have now been confirmed interception data, radio communications militants and information from other sources of military intelligence. "

Experts of the magazine believe that the intercept is carried out by the Russian reconnaissance aircraft IL-20.

“In addition to 28 combat aircraft that arrived via Iran at Basil Al-Assad International Airport aboard the Il-76 military transport aircraft last week, the Russian Air Force (VKS) deployed at least one Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft. And even if satellite intelligence has not yet discovered its presence at the airport near Latakia, according to information from one of our sources, the spy plane IL-20 has already arrived in Syria to support the Russian air group, ”said military journalist David Tsenciotti.

“However, spy aircraft in Russia’s intelligence in the fight against IS are not exhausted,” writes NI. - Recently, the Baltic reconnaissance ship approached the coast of Syria fleet "Vasily Tatishchev".

As a source in Kaliningrad told the magazine, “such trips for the ships of the Baltic Fleet are common, and at one time they successfully tracked the war in Yugoslavia.”

“Anyway, in the near future, Russian electronic intelligence systems will undoubtedly be very actively involved,” concludes NI.

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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 10 October 2015 09: 19 New
    12
    In modern warfare, there is no way without it.
    1. figwam
      figwam 10 October 2015 09: 24 New
      -10
      In modern warfare, there is no way without it.

      Unfortunately, this conflict can really develop into a modern war against the West.
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 30 New
        39
        Quote: figvam
        Unfortunately, this conflict can really develop into a modern war against the West.

        This is enough for you. The West has neither the desire nor the means to wage war against Russia. Believe me, if there were any means, then they would have attacked for a long time. This is an axiom.
        1. anEkeName
          anEkeName 10 October 2015 09: 38 New
          41
          Более того, думаю, никто не возражал против военной операции России только потому, что очень надеялись на технологическую отсталость ВС РФ. Ан не тут-то было. Меня поразила тишина, воцарившаяся в европейских СМИ после пуска "Калибров" по объектам ИГ в Сирии из Каспия.

          It was a clear shock.
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 10 October 2015 09: 58 New
            -2
            aboard the Il-76 military transport aircraft last week, the Russian Air Force (VKS) deployed at least one Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft to Syria.

            It's like, in a disassembled form, or something.

            Finally, in the Russian army, in preparation for military operations, a scientific approach began to be applied. For the first time since the time of General Yudenich.
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 10 October 2015 18: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Mahmut
              Finally, in the Russian army, in preparation for military operations, a scientific approach began to be applied. For the first time since the time of General Yudenich.

              And what is your foundation of the Red Army in the sheep to enroll. Ali You managed to break it somewhere by chance? Ali Your surname Gareev? Or maybe you have a rank at the top of the ranks? What will you do? No matter what the writer is, the Prince of Savoy .... a scientific approach .... a phrase that is supposedly from a thinker ...
          2. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 10 October 2015 10: 12 New
            +9
            Quote: anEkeName
            Moreover, I think no one objected to the military operation of Russia just because they really hoped for the technological backwardness of the RF Armed Forces


            А еще одну надежду на Россию в душу европейцам вселили беженцы с БВ (много беженцев), а одновременно с надеждой они вселили и безнадёгу по поводу возможности избавиться от себя силами самой Европы. Поэтому все наши действия в Сирии, какими бы они не были раздражающими для "западных партнеров", будут замалчиваться и проглатываться.
            My such opinion. hi
          3. WKS
            WKS 10 October 2015 10: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: anEkeName
            . Меня поразила тишина, воцарившаяся в европейских СМИ после пуска "Калибров" по объектам ИГ в Сирии из Каспия.

            They realized that this missile could be equipped with a nuclear warhead, and 2600 km cover the whole of Europe to the Atlantic.
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 10 October 2015 11: 00 New
              0
              Quote: wks
              They realized that this missile could be equipped with a nuclear warhead, and 2600 km cover the whole of Europe to the Atlantic.

              If specifically from the Caspian, it will not block.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 10 October 2015 19: 43 New
                +2
                There is also the Baltic Sea. And Syria does not select a naval base. Although we have no reason to fight with Europe, as they do. But this is a manic idea of ​​the arrogant Saxons of Amer, therefore both we and Europe need to agree and cooperate.
          4. Sterlya
            Sterlya 10 October 2015 11: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: anEkeName
            Меня поразила тишина, воцарившаяся в европейских СМИ после пуска "Калибров" по объектам ИГ в Сирии из Каспия.

            laughing for sure, but somehow I did not pay attention
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 10 October 2015 09: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex28
          The West has neither the desire nor the means to wage war against Russia

          The West has everything and the means and desire, but we have something missing for now.
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 10 October 2015 09: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The West has everything and the means and desire, but we have something missing for now.

            From all over the west
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            there is everything and means and desire

            only amerikosov. The rest even armies have no normal.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 October 2015 10: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Alex28

              only amerikosov.

              Isn't that enough?
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 10 October 2015 11: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Isn't that enough?

                Very, given that the bulk needs to be delivered to the Russian borders. Still, the ocean is doing its job. The VKS and Navy will thoroughly thinn out, I do not take aircraft carriers at all, they are for the war with bananostans.
          2. Good me
            Good me 10 October 2015 09: 55 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            The West has everything and the means and desire, but we have something missing for now.


            There may be a desire, but they cannot count on their own funds that can overcome our air defense system.

            They also have no confidence in the abilities of their own air defense in repelling the strikes of our air defense weapons.

            И ещё можно перечислять множество факторов сдерживания. И пока ,эти факторы действуют на НАТО, у нас есть время восполнить или воссоздать то,"what is missing so far".
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 10 October 2015 10: 52 New
              +7
              Quote: Good Me
              The desire is possible, but at its own expense, able to overcome our air defense system,

              Our air defense system has a bunch of holes, is well covered, only Moscow.
          3. xtur
            xtur 10 October 2015 23: 41 New
            +1
            >У запада есть всё и средства и желание

            but there is no opportunity. People are not the same. Blue, tolerant, doll-playing kindergarten boys grow up into bad warriors.

            The army of Germany, which once opposed the USSR, was significantly different than it is now.
        3. vell.65
          vell.65 10 October 2015 10: 35 New
          +1
          The West has long been accustomed to comfort and a slight reduction in their need for something is not their prerogative.
        4. figwam
          figwam 10 October 2015 11: 21 New
          +5
          Believe me, if there were funds, then they would have attacked for a long time. This is an axiom.

          Wherever you attack, what are you talking about, we have nuclear weapons! I am talking about a modern war against the West, in Syria, wars of this type were fought in Korea 1950-1953, Vietnam 1964-1975, etc.
          this was the confrontation between the West and the USSR.
      2. Temples
        Temples 10 October 2015 09: 51 New
        +3
        The Russian Air Force (VKS) deployed at least one Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft to Syria.
        And even if satellite intelligence until she discovered his presence According to information from one of our sources, the Il-20 spy plane has already arrived in Syria to support the Russian air group, at an airfield near Latakia


        Doesn’t it remind anyone of anything?
        "Источник" тот-же что и на Украине российские войска наблюдает?

        In Syria, it seems, they are not hiding anything. All airplanes defiantly flaunted.
        Даже в этих условия "эксперты" и "источники" ищут скрытую руку Кремля.
        1. nik39reg
          nik39reg 10 October 2015 10: 34 New
          +2
          Написано же - "...самолет-шпион...", вот его и не видно, совсем невидно, невидимый он! fellow
      3. demon1978
        demon1978 10 October 2015 10: 04 New
        +8
        Quote: figvam
        Unfortunately, this conflict can really develop into a modern war against the West.


        Or maybe push it back indefinitely request

        Hitler, too, at one time shouted at his marshals (when the Wehrmacht began to crumble) that if he had reliable information about the real potential of the USSR, he would have got there request
        Current events in Syria, a reason to think yes And then many in recent decades, decided that there is no longer such a country, Russia, there was a gas station request Let them comprehend soldier
      4. figvam3
        figvam3 10 October 2015 11: 13 New
        -1
        and nickname CUSTOM MANDATORY ??? I HAVE ME FIGURES THEN FIGS. 1,2 AND THERE IS NOW FIGS. 3
        WHAT DO YOU NOT THINK ABOUT YOURSELF ???
        1. figwam
          figwam 10 October 2015 11: 31 New
          +5
          What are you talking about? I registered here on May 6, 2011 under this nickname, so whoever steals from anyone and who has no mind will see in the mirror!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 10 October 2015 11: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: figvam
            What are you talking about? I registered here on May 6, 2011 under this nickname.

            He won't be long, today will disappear lol
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 10 October 2015 09: 38 New
      +2
      Vladimirets
      In modern warfare, there is no way without it.

      РЭБ - это и АЛЬФА ..и ОМЕГА современной войны! После Вьетнама, когда американцы хорошенько повозили "по тэйлбу наш фейс" сделаны по истину семимильные шаги в дооснащении наших всех видов ВС средствами РЭБ! Сейчас РЭБ не только прикрытие б\действий частей и соединений обеспечивает... противодействие нашему противнику...но и стали активным инструментом ведения боевых действий!
      Сейчас мы ...практически...ни в чём не уступаем по линии РЭБ нашим "заклятым партнёрам"...а кое в чём они уже начинают завидовать нам... Вот только бы ещё габаритные размеры уменьшить...но и это, уверен, преодолеем!!!
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 10 October 2015 10: 02 New
        +9
        Насчет "фэйсом о тейбл", применительно ко Вьетнаму... Разумеется, содержит долю истины, но звучит как-то сомнительно. Потому что четыре с половиной тысячи самолетов там потеряли не мы. И пошли восвояси, утирая кровавые сопли, - тоже. Это напоминает мемуры гитлеровских генералов об их немеренной крутизне на Восточном фронте. Тоже не лишено, аргументированно, вот только все впечатление портит известный финал.
        But seriously, any serious armed conflict, much less a serious war, is, among other things, a mutual learning of the parties. They inevitably carry each other's face on the table, and from this they become wise. Those who learn faster just win big wars. For which there are not enough pre-war blanks.
        1. Good me
          Good me 10 October 2015 10: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Azitral
          Those who learn faster just win big wars. For which there are not enough pre-war blanks.


          "Generals always prepare for last war"

          Words of the prominent statesman and prime minister (1940 — 1945; 1951 - 1955) of Great Britain Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill (1874 — 1965). He had in mind a practically objective fact: in preparing for possible military conflicts, military leaders usually proceed from their past experience and, in a sense, really prepare for a “past” war, since there is no experience of a future, possible war.
          The meaning of the expression: in military construction, one should take into account all the latest victory factors (science, technology, politics, psychology, etc.), which conservative generals often tend to neglect.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS 10 October 2015 09: 54 New
      14
      Quote: Vladimirets
      In modern warfare, there is no way without it.

      That's for sure, otherwise everything will turn out as with .............
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 11 October 2015 02: 32 New
        0
        That would have been found in hospitals in Israel. laughing
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 10 October 2015 12: 15 New
      0
      I understand everything, but why immediately open the cards in front of the enemy. And then it will begin to be encrypted.
    5. maxim1987
      maxim1987 10 October 2015 12: 26 New
      +1
      According to the publication, the Russian military began collecting intelligence on the targets at least simultaneously with the beginning of the bombing.

      yeah. and at most after the bombing. after such offers I no longer want to read such publications
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  2. Nymp
    Nymp 10 October 2015 09: 20 New
    +3
    IL-20 as a reconnaissance just right, these igilahs are already changing positions, and they are just draping. So it's time to finish! This makes me happy.
    1. alone
      alone 10 October 2015 11: 54 New
      +9
      Quote: Nymp
      IL-20 as a reconnaissance just right, these igilahs are already changing positions, and they are just draping. So it's time to finish! This makes me happy.


      Just yesterday, ISIS occupied a 2-kilometer industrial zone in Aleppo, capturing several villages along the agglomeration of Aleppo. It does not seem like they are scribbling.

      P.S. ISIS fighters are mostly high-profile fighting professionals in urban areas, in the mountains, and in the plains. Those who drape are consumables that were fired ahead of them. Many here have already decided that several dozen air strikes broke the scales. ISIS is a large serious organization, this is not Al Qaeda. To destroy it, you need to seriously sweat.
  3. GRAY
    GRAY 10 October 2015 09: 26 New
    +4
    Besides:
    Russia has completely restored the orbital constellation of military communications satellites, according to the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry.

    “On September 24, three spacecraft Rodnik-1 were launched from the Plesetsk launch site with the Rokot booster rocket with the Briz-KM booster block into a given orbit. Thus, the restoration of the full orbital grouping of the military communications complex has been completed, ”the report said.

    Rodnik series space satellites act in the interests of a low-orbit multifunctional personal satellite communication system. The vehicles withdrawn at the end of September were assigned serial numbers Cosmos-2507, Cosmos-2508 and Cosmos-2509.

    Just before the start of the operation in Syria, they made a fuss.
    And some whine that, they say, cruise missiles are expensive smile
    1. udincev
      udincev 10 October 2015 09: 37 New
      +6
      Quote: GRAY
      And some whine that, they say, cruise missiles are expensive

      Who whine like that - they just need to whine.
      And about the expensive ones ... So it’s no more expensive than those that from the north of Russia’s EMC in Kamchatka, the educational goals are amazing. Expensive - but necessary. Otherwise, we will be cheaply eaten and not choke.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 10 October 2015 09: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: udincev
        And about the expensive ones ... So it’s no more expensive than those that from the north of Russia’s EMC in Kamchatka, the educational goals are amazing. Expensive - but necessary. Otherwise, we will be cheaply eaten and not choke.

        The power of cruise missiles in the firepower of a large number of missiles.

        "Боевое применение:
        Missouri American battleship launches Tomahawk missile on target in Iraq during the Persian Gulf War (1991).
        In total, from the moment it was adopted for service, in combat operations, more than 2000 KR were used. The 2000th missile was launched in 2011 with the destroyer USS Barry (DDG-52) during Operation Odyssey Dawn in Libya, and the same year, the five hundredth test launch of this missile was carried out during the operation period.

        The Gulf War (1991) - for the entire duration of the operation, according to the "Consolidated Report on the Air Force in the Gulf War" (orig. - "Gulf War Air Power Survey Summary Report"), 297 missiles were fired, 282 of which successfully hit the set targets, 6 missiles failed immediately after the launch and 9 missiles did not launch due to failure reasons on board.
        In the first 4 days of the operation, cruise missiles accounted for only 16% of air strikes, and after 2 months, their share reached 55% of the total number of strokes, with 80% of all KR strikes falling on the Tomahawks. Among the significant shortcomings that have manifested are the long preparation time for the flight mission for this type of aircraft, equipped with relief and optoelectronic correction systems using digital terrain maps, even if the calculation has the necessary images. In addition, the low-informal plain terrain, which did not contain a sufficient number of landmarks, or, on the contrary, the terrain, which facilitates camouflaging the target, forced the use of the same approach routes to the target - as a result, missile losses increased.
        Operation Decisive Power (1995)
        Operation Desert Strike (1996)
        Operation Desert Fox (1998) - the Kyrgyz Republic (Tomahok and CALCM) accounted for 72% of all air strikes, while preparation for launch was reduced to 25 hours. A total of 370 missiles were used, of which only 13 did not hit the target.
        NATO war against Yugoslavia (1999). More than 700 KR of various bases are applied.
        Invasion of Iraq (2003)
        Интервенция в Ливию (2011)— было выпущено более 200 ракет"
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 10 October 2015 09: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: GRAY
      And some whine that, they say, cruise missiles are expensive

      1 Tomahawk costs $ 1,5 million, our Caliber should be cheaper, but not by much.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 10 October 2015 09: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        1 Tomahawk costs $ 1,5 million, our Caliber should be cheaper, but not by much.

        Quote: udincev
        And about the expensive ...

        Authority is more expensive than money.
  4. stdemetrio
    stdemetrio 10 October 2015 09: 26 New
    0
    They seem to have completely forgotten what the Russian Air Force is. Putin understands that accuracy is the main thing in such conflicts, and not to annoy the locals :)
  5. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 10 October 2015 09: 26 New
    +4
    As a source in Kaliningrad told the magazine ...
    Как житель Калининграда добавлю,что в нашем небе также ежедневно жужжат эти самолётики. Т.е. и здесь всё "по-взрослому".. сегодня.
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 10 October 2015 09: 27 New
    +1
    These nonhumans are talking on the air and this is at least the goal, the coordinates of the enemy, not to mention information.
  7. KnightRider
    KnightRider 10 October 2015 09: 36 New
    +7
    Someone will soon be very hot! am
    1. nik39reg
      nik39reg 10 October 2015 10: 40 New
      +1
      If this is true, and these toys were thrown to Syria ..... it's tin. Nothing will save from this little thing, if only you have time to dig two meters into the ground.
  8. Zmei53
    Zmei53 10 October 2015 09: 39 New
    +3
    High-quality intelligence work has always been the key to success in any military operation. Our military school is the best in the world !!!
  9. hartlend
    hartlend 10 October 2015 09: 39 New
    0
    The article was reposted, the author is not indicated at all. NI cannot write, it is not a person.
  10. Bongo
    Bongo 10 October 2015 09: 40 New
    +8
    IL-20 appeared at the beginning of the 70's. For that time it was a very advanced aircraft. Currently, its avionics complex is outdated and does not meet modern requirements. The aircraft of this type themselves remained in service no more than 5 units. Unfortunately, the new Tu-214P (pictured) that were supposed to replace the IL-20M built the entire 2 machine.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 10 October 2015 21: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Bongo
      Sami aircraft of this type remained in service no more than 5 units. Unfortunately, the new Tu-214R (pictured) that were supposed to replace the IL-20M built only 2

      An interesting aircraft, a simultaneous response to both the E-8 JSTARS and the RC-135 spy plane.
  11. KnightRider
    KnightRider 10 October 2015 09: 41 New
    +4
    That's actually the work of our silt reconnaissance in the sky of Syria
  12. vfqjh
    vfqjh 10 October 2015 09: 45 New
    +1
    Not knowing the ford, do not put the horseradish in the stove! Well done, everything is going as it should. We are good students, and the Chechen events should have taught us the mind.
  13. Arkan
    Arkan 10 October 2015 09: 49 New
    +2
    Westerners are discovering the power of the Russian army, and this David Zenciotti writes about our military intelligence as something out of the ordinary. And, after all, reconnaissance actions are a common practice of all the regular armies of the world. Maybe in truth, the Americans have not met effective intelligence for a long time, since 1991.
  14. Igluxnumx
    Igluxnumx 10 October 2015 10: 10 New
    +4
    Quote: KazaK Bo
    Vladimirets
    In modern warfare, there is no way without it.

    EW - this is ALPHA .. and OMEGA of modern war!
    Сейчас мы ...практически...ни в чём не уступаем по линии РЭБ нашим "заклятым партнёрам"...а кое в чём они уже начинают завидовать нам... Вот только бы ещё габаритные размеры уменьшить...но и это, уверен, преодолеем!!!

    Downsizing is the modern technology of microelectronics, these are special conditions in the crystal growing chamber, etc. Unfortunately, here we are far behind. BUT inspires hope that computers for the Moscow Region are of their own production, as well as the operating system. There was an announcement in the media that in 2-3 years it would be possible to purchase computers of Russian manufacture in stores and with its own OS. I would love to go!
  15. BOB044
    BOB044 10 October 2015 10: 15 New
    +2
    For the Westerners, a complete surprise, the technical equipment of the Russian Armed Forces. We thought that the Russian Armed Forces were like drunken Yeltsin.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 October 2015 10: 54 New
    +4
    Regarding the size of avionics and so on. Submicron sizes in military microcircuits are not welcome, due to a decrease in reliability. And the topological size adopted by mattresses for military microcircuits - 0.25 microns, has long been well developed by our industry. And despite the pogrom of the 90s, many technologies were saved thanks to the enthusiasm and selfless devotion of our engineers. The school has survived.
    Therefore, our electronic warfare equipment was not collected on Chinese microcircuits, and other intelligence nishtyaks.
  17. PiP
    PiP 10 October 2015 11: 08 New
    +2
    proving a radio broadcast scan in Syria

    Ну просто сенсация какая то... Интенсивность радио обмена в каком либо районе говорит о нахождении там сил и средств противника. Применив метод 'триангуляции'(радиопеленгация) определяется место постоянного базирования источника излучения. После этого делается выводы- а)В этом месте находится Пункт Связи б)Где пункт связи там и органы управления(штаб) или место скопления противника. В результате МО РФ рапортует о уничтожении пунктов связи и штабов террористов wink And do not shout about it in the press as something illegal, everyone does it ... wink
  18. Pate
    Pate 10 October 2015 11: 34 New
    +2
    Well, that’s great, the time of US domination in the field of electronic warfare has passed.
  19. ararat
    ararat 10 October 2015 11: 37 New
    +3
    This was to happen sooner or later, look what the members of NATO are doing, build up arms, planes, ships in the Black Sea. And Russia must endure, enough, it’s time to show Kuzkin’s mother to these filthy capitalists, and in Syria a powerful base and naval base. The USA is already in Odessa for a long time.
  20. pvv113
    pvv113 10 October 2015 12: 38 New
    +3
    aboard the Il-76 military transport aircraft last week, the Russian Air Force (VKS) deployed at least one Il-20 reconnaissance aircraft to Syria

    Вряд ли на Ил-76. У Ил-76 размер грузовой кабины 3,45х3,5х24,5 метра, в то время как максимальный диаметр фюзеляжа Ил-20 составляет 3,6 метра, а длина около 35 метров. А вот у "Руслана" Ан-124 грузовая кабина: длина 36,5 м, без рампы - 26,5 м, ширина 6,4 м, высота 4,4 м. Теоретически возможно разместить фюзеляж Ил-20 с отстыкованным крылом и оперением. Хотя про такие случаи я ни разу не слышал. Скорее всего Ил-20 прилетел своим ходом, так как внешне схож с гражданским самолетом Ил-18, на базе которого создан.
  21. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 10 October 2015 19: 03 New
    +4
    "сбор разведданных о целях российские военные начали как минимум одновременно с началом бомбардировок. "

    Does someone say something without understanding the essence? To bomb something, you need to know what exactly. And this, including the results of intelligence gathering. So that intelligence began much earlier than the bombing began.
  22. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 10 October 2015 22: 11 New
    0
    You might think that the illegal coalition of the West uses only binoculars for intelligence. laughing The American wiretap covers almost the entire globe of the world, but for some reason they can not inflict tangible damage on their offspring in Syria, but they quite effectively help the caliphate bandits in the fight against Assad! am
    1. pvv113
      pvv113 11 October 2015 00: 20 New
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      Quote: Vlad5307
      can not cause tangible damage to their offspring

      The answer in one picture
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 11 October 2015 00: 23 New
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        Quote: pvv113
        The answer in one picture

        For kindergarten come down yes

        But actually, shale oil started much earlier than ISIS. And began to fall about a year ago. When ISIS was still not in sight ..

        Something like that.
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  25. Mentat
    Mentat 12 October 2015 11: 18 New
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    The West has neither the desire nor the means to wage war against Russia

    The West has everything and the means and desire, but we have something missing for now.

    Seriously? And at least a little to reveal your thoughts do not want? Outline the perspectives of NATO’s ground operation against Russia.

    As a seed, I will put forward the thesis: US armored vehicles as the main military force of NATO are simply not suitable for conducting military operations on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    Beyond the "fast global strikes" (currently exclusively hypothetical and unrealizable in practice due to a variety of technical and technological reasons) and other, in fact, NATO has a zilch and complete inability to carry out large-scale operations against Russia.
    In order to reduce the likelihood of the successful use of such massive missile attacks on Russia to zero, extensive work is being done today in the army and military-industrial complex.