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Does Russia need to leave Syria



Russian aviation continues to launch bombing raids on Islamist positions in Syria. Judging by the objective control data presented online by the National Center for Defense, and by the nervous reaction of the West, these attacks are really targeted and, most notably, accurate, in the sense - effective. What, for example, cannot be boasted by the Western coalition, which carried out more than 7 thousand bombings and missile launches, but which did not stop the triumphal offensive of the Islamic State groups prohibited by Russian law.

The fact that the militants began to abandon their positions and seek refuge outside the theater of operations (theater of operations), for example, in Turkey and Jordan, also testifies to the relatively high combat effectiveness of the actions of the Air and Space Forces of Russia. Another issue is that the results of the combat activities of the Russian Aerospace Forces are not yet supported by vigorous actions on the land front and the success achieved by air strikes, as far as can be judged from information reports, is practically not used.

Why is that? Russia has already stated that it does not plan a ground operation in Syria. As for the army of Bashar Assad and his allies - the Kurds, Iraqis and the so-called volunteers from Iran, then there are options. It is possible that the decision on the bombing was made in Moscow so quickly (and also secretly) that potential allies simply did not have time to prepare. Another option is the military-technical weakness of the armed forces of Damascus, which in four years of opposition to the Islamic International lost a good half of the personnel and military equipment.

As a result, Bashar al-Assad has to be re-armed in an expeditious manner - recently the Turkish side has noted the very intensive movement of Russian transports (apparently, weapons and military equipment) through the Black Sea straits. But the delight of official Ankara is somehow not observed. Rather, the opposite is obvious disapproval. That, in general, is not surprising, since Russia's military activity in the Middle East calls into question the implementation of geopolitical plans not only in Turkey, but also in the entire Western world.

STRANGE WAR


One must be infinitely naive to believe that the so-called Arab spring, which eventually reached Damascus, was started solely out of good intentions to democratize Asia and Africa. Moreover, it is no longer a secret that the al-Qaida virus, and indeed the Islamic State virus, were grown somewhere in the secret laboratories of Langley. Moreover, to dump Bashar Assad is an intermediate task. The main goal is to create in the so-called southern underbelly of Russia a geopolitical entity that would become much more dangerous than American military bases in Eastern Europe and the Baltic countries. Well, in order to give the process a more befitting appearance, this whole mob was called the Free Army of Syria (CAC).

But, as it turned out, Islamic radicals do not know how to behave decently - they began to cut off heads and sometimes even came out of submission. In general, in order not to lose face, the Americans had to somehow react and declare war on the "Islamic State." But the war turned out to be a bit strange: over two years, thousands of tons of trotyl were spent, and the “Islamic state”, if only henna, won victory after victory and already controls most of Syria and large territories in Iraq.

Of course, Moscow understood what all this was going for and that Bashar Asad, whatever his attitude to him, was the only real force that at least somehow opposes radical Islam in the Middle East. And if you do not hold it now, it is possible that tomorrow Russia would have to fight with the "Islamic state" somewhere in the Astrakhan region.

Moreover, the decision to start the bombing of Islamist positions in Syria was made even with some delay. It can be said that at the very last moment, because, as it became known, the Western coalition, commanded by the United States, prepared a decision following the example of Libya to declare a no-fly zone over Syria. This means that the Syrian sky would be closed to Russian aviation, and Bashar Assad would have been destined for Muammar Gaddafi.

But it happened as it happened. And, unlike the Western coalition, Russia is now acting in Syria legally - at the official request of Damascus. And, as already noted, it acts quite effectively. At least with regard to air strikes.

ON INFORMATION FRONT


There are such cases when it is really better to be silent than to speak. The British Financial Times, which reported that Russia's military intervention in the Syrian conflict was predetermined by Western plans to create a no-fly zone over Syria — allegedly the leadership of the Western coalition was close to reaching an agreement to close the sky for Syrian aviation — clearly ignored this golden rule. If the passage about the no-fly zone is not an after-the-fact attempt to distort the true goals of Moscow in the conflict in the Middle East, then it turns out that the real enemy of the West in the Syrian theater is not “Islamic State”, but Damascus, which is de facto the main opponent of the Islamists land front. It was enough to squeeze the aircraft of Bashar Assad, which is already not very active, to the ground, and the radicals would receive complete military superiority.

This option, of course, would not suit Russia, there’s nothing to talk about. But no one expected that Moscow would act so decisively and mix all the cards ...

Although we have to admit that the confusion of the West, first of all, the United States, after the start of the Russian bombing, passed fairly quickly. At first, the White House, albeit discreetly, welcomed Russia's accession to the fight against the Islamists and even seemed to accept the fact that Moscow would act independently. But soon the United States corrected its position. “Frankly, for the time being we see the Russian decision to take military action in Syria and intervene in the civil war between Assad and the moderate opposition. We directly view this as a strategic mistake, ”said Mark Toner, a representative of the US State Department.


The crew of the Russian bomber is preparing to perform a combat mission. Photos from the official website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

It would be good if Mr. Toner would have suggested how to distinguish this most moderate opposition from the militants of the Islamic State on the battlefield. It is unlikely that the Americans themselves are capable of it, because, as experience shows, the fighters of the Free Army of Syria (CAC), trained by them, in large numbers and with weapons in their hands usually immediately leave the training centers for the Islamists. Nevertheless, the supreme commander of the US Army Barack Obama makes big bets on this phantom army.

According to the New York Times, President Obama, sharply criticized by Republicans and former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for inaction, intends to initiate a general offensive by coalition forces led by America on the Syrian city of Raqqa, the de facto capital of the Islamic State. As noted, in the course of the announced land operation, the stakes will be made on 20 thousand Kurdish militiamen and about 5 thousand militants of the moderate Syrian opposition, who "will receive the support of the coalition forces." With “moderate” everything is clear - it is difficult to rely on something that does not exist in nature. With the Kurds, too, the question. They do not complain about Bashar al-Assad, but are forced to act against the Islamists with him. But what they can negotiate with the Americans, if the closest ally of the United States, Turkey, from time to time iron the Kurds with bombs and artillery, is not very clear.

Speaking of Turkey, which has already joined the information war against Russia. First of all, we are talking about Ankara’s excessively nervous reaction to episodes when our planes accidentally flew into Turkish airspace for some seconds. On this occasion, the Turkish Foreign Ministry has twice called our ambassador to the carpet. I had to report to the official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Major General Igor Konashenkov, who clearly reported: "This incident is a consequence of adverse weather conditions in the area (in the area of ​​Hmeymim airfield from which our aircraft operates. -" NVO "). One should not look for any conspirological reasons. ” But from the Turkish side there is a certain conspiracy moment, since the party to which President Recep Erdogan belongs is the same “Muslim Brothers”, just a side view, and these same “brothers” in the “Islamic State” are in plenty. Who is able to maintain self-control when Russian aircraft sights on their own? ..

And in general, try to shoot down our pilots with a sight in different ways. For example, there are active conversations that modern air defense systems will appear in the conflict zone from day to day (which, unfortunately, is not excluded). Moreover, in cyberspace, photos of allegedly downed Russian aircraft have already appeared. In the meantime, there is no evidence, various experts, including our compatriots, are spreading rumors that the armament of our aviation is outdated and ineffective.

True, in the picture, which shows burning Tanks Islamists, you can’t say that. Most likely, RBK-500U aviation cartridges equipped with self-aiming combat elements (SPBE) could be used here. Over the area of ​​concentration of armored vehicles from the cartridge dispersed 15 submunitions. As soon as the infrared SPBE sensor detects the target, a command is made to detonate the warhead - and a kilogram piece of copper is fired towards the target with the speed of a meteorite. No dynamic protection will save! Moreover, this ammunition has indeed been more than 20 years old. But it was constantly modernized (see “NVO” from 05.09.08/XNUMX/XNUMX) and, as one could see, copes well with its destructive task.

AFTER THE BOMB


It is believed that the West is suitable for any development of the situation in the Middle East. If Moscow had not intervened and the Islamists were given the opportunity to defeat the army of Bashar al-Assad (it was believed that only a few months remained before the fall of Damascus), Russia would become the next target of the Islamic State. However, the option, when Russia was drawn into the Middle East war, also quite suits the United States and its partners. It is already obvious that the fighting on the Syrian theater is not over quickly and material costs, taking into account the sanctions and the state of the Russian economy, will be sensitive. How much - it directly depends on how quickly it will be possible to bring to the required level the combat effectiveness of the Syrian army and the regional formations that support Damascus. We cannot but take into account the fact that the West, of course, will put us sticks in the wheels as soon as possible. And the fact that we are not partners in this war and no coalition following the example of the anti-Hitler one will fail, this is already historical fact.

However, while the situation in Syria is so uncertain, Russia has no reason to leave it. At least in the foreseeable future. Firstly, as soon as Syria is left without our support, everything will be repeated - if not the “Islamic State”, then a terrorist entity with a different name (with what name they will be invented in the West!) Will try to take revenge. Secondly, after in Syria, along with an almost abandoned logistics point in Tartus, by the will of circumstances, our powerful air base was formed, Russia got a real opportunity to control, if not the whole Mediterranean, then certainly its eastern part. And so far nothing else is the 6th the fleet We cannot oppose the USA in this region.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 October 2015 05: 15 New
    26
    Russia was left with no choice. The expansion of ISIS and its approach to our borders essentially forced us to enter this war in Syria. But at the same time, the leadership acts in my opinion carefully and wisely, without getting involved in the ground part of this war. leaving no choice for us, we will have to fight in Syria to a victorious end and, apparently, not only there, but also in Iraq.
    I believe, that it’s better to beat this evil on the banks of the Euphrates, and not on the banks of the Volga.This is the main idea of ​​everything that we are doing with regard to Syria.
    1. Pro100Igor
      Pro100Igor 11 October 2015 05: 47 New
      11
      I absolutely agree, but I also want to add. Russia not only does not need to leave Syria, but on the contrary, it is necessary to strengthen its influence in the east, or they will simply be swallowed by America, so accustomed to its sanctions. You can’t give either Syria or Iraq or Iran to the next west.
      1. Temples
        Temples 11 October 2015 09: 59 New
        +5
        Our presence in the region is necessary.
        In order for the war to leave the region.
        Америка ни кого "поглащать" не будет.
        Manufacturers of military equipment and ammunition need war ..
        Therefore, they are fighting in this region.
        Away from the American coast, closer to our borders.
        Peace will be restored in this region, wars will immediately arise in another place.
        This is where the Anglo-Saxons succeeded. Kindle wars on one, two, three ...
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 11 October 2015 19: 11 New
          +2
          Америка ни кого "поглащать" не будет.


      2. complete zero
        complete zero 11 October 2015 21: 15 New
        0
        Yes, Iran itself you want to tear, Iran, then our main ally is now in Syria
    2. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 11 October 2015 08: 29 New
      +8
      On the issue of economics.

      Либералы и пятая колонна любят кричать: "Россия тратит огромные деньги и ресурсы на войну с ИГИЛ в Сирии. Лучше бы эти деньги...".

      Which is better? The economy of the war is simple: there is no cost for your army, there will be costs for an occupying army (a little rephrased).

      It is better to bomb terrorists in Syria than to pay with the lives of our citizens who died from terrorist attacks in Russia itself.

      И еще. Армия тратит огромные средства на учения. На тренировки. Не думаю, что затраты на операцию в Сирии больше, чем затраты на учения под кодом "Запад" или "Восток".

      А еще - политический эффект. Например, от запуска "Калибров"...Его можно измерить деньгами. Сколько США потратили средств на "Иджисы" и ПРО? А "Калибр"-то эти затраты поставил под определенное сомнение...
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      2. Seneca
        Seneca 11 October 2015 23: 18 New
        0
        Here it often skips ... in the comments ... in the articles ... the US riches in wars and operations that they conduct. Well, let’s see how rich we are No.
    3. Finches
      Finches 11 October 2015 09: 57 New
      +5
      Hysteria in the Western media! The squeals of all McCain and KOs and the eyes of a shredding mouse among some politicians of Eastern European states, and not only that, are the best proof that we are doing everything right! laughing

      I would say that in Syria is our Middle East outpost, our Brest fortress on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea! Betray and leave - we have no right!
    4. complete zero
      complete zero 11 October 2015 21: 13 New
      0
      push back to the borders of Turkey (which is being done) and there their Kurds will meet, and even Iran can introduce its own guard ... this is a better option than introducing ground forces
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  2. venaya
    venaya 11 October 2015 05: 22 New
    +7
    while the situation in Syria is so uncertain, Russia has no reason to leave it. At least in the foreseeable future.

    Let's wait until we get out of there, not all issues have yet been resolved. And what's the point of doing this to us? Another such, and even such a chic naval base as in Syria, still need to search. Turkey with our other capital, Tsargrad, needs to be surrounded with warmth and care, no matter what happens.
  3. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 11 October 2015 05: 24 New
    +9
    “We are Russians, God is with us”
    (Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov)
  4. sl22277
    sl22277 11 October 2015 05: 50 New
    +6
    No. Perhaps the most important thing is that we will eliminate the terrorist threat to our country at distant approaches. Each ISIS soldier killed in Syria is an ISIS officer who did not come to fight in Russia. Russia will record itself as the main “security provider” in the Middle East. This position is expensive in the literal sense, as the main trading routes of the planet intersect in the Middle East and the main sources of hydrocarbons are located there. Also. By eliminating ISIS in Syria and Iraq, we will cut off the supply of smuggled oil to world markets, which is sold at dumped prices. This action alone will pay for any military operation against ISIS within a few months, if not several weeks. Everything is simple, the fewer terrorists walking on the earth, the world will immediately become calmer.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 October 2015 06: 17 New
      10
      Quote: sl22277
      Russia will fix itself as the main "security provider" in the Middle East.

      ДА УЖЕ ПРИМАЗЫВАЮТСЯ "НЕКОТОРЫЕ" ПО ПРИНЦИПУ "НАТЕ И МОЮ КОПЕЙКУ"
      On Thursday morning, hell erupted at Tabaqa Air Base, located in Al-Raqah province. At the military airfield, which is the main center for training and deploying ISIS fighters, they struck their own air assault bomb. As a result, most of the buildings in which the terrorists settled were wiped off the face of the earth. ISIS suffered devastating losses, reports The Arab Source.

      However, this is not the only aerial attack to concentrate Islamists in Al-Raqah province. The militants did not have time to recover and calculate the losses, as literally a few minutes later the next air strike followed.

      According to a senior officer in the SAA air defense command, this time the French air force carried out an air raid. For a few moments it was not enough for the planes of the two countries included in various coalitions to collide in the sky over Al-Raqqa. French aviation struck at the same address as the Russian one, only it covered the southwestern part of the location of ISIS fighters, the military source said. There are practically no worthy goals for the French Air Force, because the Russians did the bulk of the work for them, and therefore the raid did not last long, ”the officer says.

      "Коня куют, а жаба лапку протягивает!" laughing
  5. Evgeniy917
    Evgeniy917 11 October 2015 06: 16 New
    0
    ATS forces attacking northern Syria there al-nusra (not moderate or anyone else just this nusra, like the right sector consists of dozens of other terrorist gangs) So they have very large losses and fighting efficiency has fallen and will fall even harder (Yes, the terrorists are really fierce opposition and they have more than enough experience, but they are Islamists, they are not afraid of death, so you need to mow them and that’s all the time will come and they will understand that they were mowed up so much that they won’t be able to resist and the more they can defeat .. For example, Chechens rushes to the middle streets and grinds from a machine gun on the enemy in a shelter, and it is, for example, 15 meters away from him It’s clear that a fighter in a shelter with this layout can put people 7-10) So they are advancing to the North and taking the border with Turkey anyway and then The IG will figure it out because they draw that they control the desert but it’s interesting for what purpose and how they sit in the desert and sunbathe or something. So here the IG is exaggerating greatly ) Here there in Syria and Solntsepeki appeared
    1. Evgeniy917
      Evgeniy917 11 October 2015 06: 26 New
      0
      If in short you need to beat them and so that they had huge losses (The fact that they are persistent is not so important because it is reckless) and beat them that in the north until they have 50-70% knocked out then the rest will run away
      (And Aviation is also a big deal, and coordination is not only with reconnaissance but also with infantry)
    2. Anatole
      Anatole 11 October 2015 06: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Evgeniy917
      For example, the Chechens runs out into the middle of the street and drags out a machine gun at the enemy in a shelter, and it is, for example, 15 meters from him.

      Well-placed firing points in sectors, and tactical thinking have nothing to do with tenacity, grumbling at the ready. It is possible that he acted in tandem with snipers, opened / fired fire on himself, but even in this case he will not increase accuracy from this.
  6. Denis DV
    Denis DV 11 October 2015 07: 04 New
    +2
    As delirium, as an answer to the state delirium. Imagine the official Damascus makes a statement - the CAC surrendered, recognizing Assad, and repented. There will be no one to refute this message drinks for obvious reasons - САС does not exist.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 October 2015 07: 24 New
    +2
    Совершенно ясно, что наши успели в последний момент. Сорвали планы и поставили под сомнение колоссальные затраты, уже проделанные всеми противниками Асада. Уже вот -вот, они уже страну делили, и тут ... Не понятно, как усилить наземную группировку сирийской армии. Под нашим "зонтиком" они, пожалуй, не побегут, но наступать в кратчайшие сроки, пока противник не опомнился, не могут.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 11 October 2015 08: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Не понятно, как усилить наземную группировку сирийской армии. Под нашим "зонтиком" они, пожалуй, не побегут, но наступать в кратчайшие сроки, пока противник не опомнился, не могут.

      And what about transports from Russia to Syria? Obviously not with sweets. I think before the start of intensive ground operations will take about another month. And then the usual tactics: bombardment, shelling, reconnaissance in battle and, according to the results of reconnaissance, or an attack, or again from the beginning.
      I wonder how Russia agrees with the Kurds? Something continuous silence, but they say that the Kurds, too, are, as it were, allies. They are weapons too oh right.
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  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 October 2015 07: 30 New
    +2
    Who is able to maintain endurance when Russian aviation is aiming to hit its own? ..

    Вот по этому те, кто заинтересован в этих бандах в очередной раз приоткрыли свое "личико". В западных СМИ и высказываниях политиков сквозит прямая поддержка ИГ. Они даже не думают, как будут оправдываться перед мировой общественностью за эту поддержку, т.к. уверены в действенности своей пропаганды. Короче приехали.
    1. Anatole
      Anatole 11 October 2015 09: 26 New
      +1
      Да вы им еще лимб над головой зажгите! Оправдываться? Фраза которое может объяснить всё "Он конечно сукин сын, но наш сукин сын", переключат фокус своих СМИ и делов то...
  9. dmitrymb
    dmitrymb 11 October 2015 07: 33 New
    0
    We need to prepare, the Saxons need slaves and colonies anyway. We need to give them the teeth in Syria, and then plan B
  10. 31rus
    31rus 11 October 2015 07: 33 New
    +4
    Dear, do not assume that ISIS that seized such territories is controlled by idiots, as soon as the government’s offensive is really serious, ISIS’s tactics change, it’s dictated by the rules of the war (and they know how to fight), large forces will be concentrated in cities under the cover of civilians, which will reduce actions our aviation is minimized, and Assad’s offensive shows a critically poor preparation and lack of modern weapons, so this is a war for a long time, therefore, Russia cannot leave Syria, in addition, it is necessary to create another mixed-base air base, and further strengthen the coastal zone with ships of this class of confrontation It will increase both with the West and in Syria itself (with the help of the USA, Saudis and the West). We (Russia) simply must remain in Syria for centuries, regardless of the political situation, Europe will have a lesson for us
  11. marder4
    marder4 11 October 2015 07: 51 New
    +1
    I think that it’s not worth leaving - it hurts the region is not stable, you never know ...
  12. Neophyte
    Neophyte 11 October 2015 08: 24 New
    +2
    I wonder how Turkey would react if Russian tourists stopped visiting its resorts?
    Erdogan would have to change his actions against Russia!
  13. alicante11
    alicante11 11 October 2015 08: 45 New
    +3
    I am surprised at the complaint that in Syria there are no particular successes on the land front. After all, these are the basics of military art. First, artillery fire is conducted (in air defense training), then attacks under cover of artillery / aviation accompanying fire. Moreover, at the beginning of the offensive, success is minimal, since it is necessary to break through the enemy’s defenses. A serious advance can be only after the disorganization of the enemy’s front and the reflection of his counterattacks.
    Thus, now, most likely, just the milling of the militants in the north is taking place, which in turn is launching attacks in the south in the Damascus region in order to delay the forces of the Asadites and the airborne umbrellas from the North. I think that the development of the operation will be clear by the end of the month and the lifting of the blockade with Aleppo will be an indicator of success. By and large, this is the only important point in northern Syria, not counting the province of Latakia, in which the greatest advance of the Asadites is noted.
  14. akudr48
    akudr48 11 October 2015 09: 07 New
    +1
    Until now, this portal mainly discussed the issue of whether it was necessary to enter Syria and most of the command of the military couch troops confirmed the correctness of the decision, yes, it was necessary to enter.

    But a good author, he can write in such a way that he will give an answer to an un asked question.
    Nobody seems to be asking Does Russia need to leave Syria, the answer by an explanation from the contrary is already ready - no need!

    The author claims that while the situation in Syria is so uncertain, Russia has no reason to leave it. At least in the foreseeable future.

    Такую уверенность можно было бы только приветствовать, если бы знать размеры этой "обозримой перспективы".

    And the behavior of a country which, having not had time to enter, is already in a hurry to leave, cannot be called worthy of a great power, all the more so, rising from its knees.

    True, it can be recalled that there are situations in which you have to pay a ruble for an entrance and ten to pay for an exit.

    And also, having thrust the stick into the hornet’s nest and screwing it thoroughly there, of course, one may be surprised that the wasps will be stung instead of one individual by a whole swarm. And you can not be surprised.
  15. Yurmix
    Yurmix 11 October 2015 09: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: Eragon
    And what about transports from Russia to Syria? Obviously not with sweets.

    It is clear of course that it is difficult to fight with the T-55, for any supply of heavy weapons will go. I think Solntsepёk is right out of place and they’ll easily put it, the more effective the weapon, the more soldier’s lives will be saved.
  16. Nymp
    Nymp 11 October 2015 09: 37 New
    +2
    Not for that, we got involved in a fight, just to leave Syria without achieving a result. Less need to listen to liberals of all stripes. These creatures in any situation are unhappy with the action of power. The troops entered - they yell: - poorly, they did not enter, ISIS invaded the territory of the Russian Federation - the same: - badly! But only in the second case will they stink even more! Liberasts are hyenas, they’ll be sad (moderators don’t miss this word! That’s nonsense), give them when they don’t have a decaying corpse, they feel bad, and if the state in which these creatures are decomposed is even better, food is at hand. Scavengers are liberals.
  17. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2015 11: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Eragon
    And what about transports from Russia to Syria? Obviously not with sweets. I think before the start of intensive ground operations will take about another month. And then the usual tactics: bombardment, shelling, reconnaissance in battle and, according to the results of reconnaissance, or an attack, or again from the beginning.

    The Syrian army is exhausted by many years of fighting in this civil war. It is completely unknown how they are dealing with mobilization resources. Therefore, there is no hope that there will be a powerful offensive that will immediately break the ISIS ridge. Now the primary task of the Syrian army is to take control of most of the border (preferably of course the whole, but it is difficult to do). If possible, force ISIS from oil fields.
    Therefore, I think that the war will drag on for a long time. Assad must either agree with those who agree, or add discord and confusion to the enemy camp, including and information methods ...

    How long will our air operation last - HZ
  18. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2015 11: 11 New
    0
    Quote: YURMIX
    I think Solntsepyok just in place and put easily

    Все будет зависеть от тактики ИГИЛовцев. Если они будут дислоцироваться в городах, то ни о каком применении "Солнцепека" речь не может идти. Удары по маневренным группам ИГИЛовцев тоже не принесут желаемого результата. По ним легче и эффективнее применять РСЗО
  19. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2015 11: 11 New
    0
    Quote: YURMIX
    I think Solntsepyok just in place and put easily

    Все будет зависеть от тактики ИГИЛовцев. Если они будут дислоцироваться в городах, то ни о каком применении "Солнцепека" речь не может идти. Удары по маневренным группам ИГИЛовцев тоже не принесут желаемого результата. По ним легче и эффективнее применять РСЗО
  20. Berthan
    Berthan 11 October 2015 11: 14 New
    0
    While we avoid losses - you can bomb indefinitely. It just seems that - money down the drain ... If wisely - everything will be beaten off many times.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 11 October 2015 11: 37 New
      +1
      I have a feeling that our commanders have learned to count money ... What is good ... In Syria, we solve problems efficiently and greyhound enough to drive NATU into a stupor ... And that's fine: they can make a mistake. We need to guard this moment, and prohibit their flights over Syria, warning that then their planes will go down.
  21. roskot
    roskot 11 October 2015 11: 31 New
    0
    Leaving Syria is tantamount to abandoning politics in the Middle East. The Black Sea will be the inland sea of ​​Russia. This cannot be allowed.
    1. Berthan
      Berthan 11 October 2015 14: 07 New
      +1
      The Black Sea will be the inland sea of ​​Russia.


      To do this, some circumcision of Turkish territory should be made ...
      In general - to complete what did not work out in the middle of the year before last.
  22. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 11 October 2015 11: 39 New
    +1
    There is an air base, for the Navy there is also a port, to strengthen powerful air defense and not even think to leave! So elegantly executed move in Syria can not just give away! Win and stay!
  23. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 11 October 2015 12: 00 New
    -2
    Да, надо добить ихнее "дебальцево" и уходить. Стороны определились кто за кого, скоро начнутся (или уже идут) поставки ПВО. Ну и самолёты нежная техника, а пилоты испытывают большие нагрузки, техники устают. Из-за интенсивного использования скоро начнутся отказы и аварии, в том числе и из-за "человеческого фактора".
  24. Placebo
    Placebo 11 October 2015 12: 27 New
    0
    Hold a referendum and annex the Syrian People's Republic to Russia ...
  25. voronbel53
    voronbel53 11 October 2015 13: 41 New
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    Не успели войти, как идут разговоры уходить, не уходить. Война в Сирии, это наша война против мирового терроризма только вдали от нашей границы, ждать что ли врага, когда он будет угрожать нам уже под носом? Раз уж решили воевать, на попятную не резон идти. Россия единственная сила, которая может справиться с этой задачей, а как будут успехи, так и помощники появятся, будут активнее себя проявлять, воодушевлённые нашими успехами. А успехи уже есть и немалые, нужно только не сбавляя ходу, а лучше, форсировать действия, наращивать ещё больше наше присутствие в Сирии. Поражения нам никто не простит,- весь прогрессивный мир на нас смотрит и надеется. Мы только начали и пятиться некуда, в противном случае, придётся воевать на своей территории и большей кровью, а что такой вариант событий нам уже наши "заокеанские друзья" готовят, в этом сомневаться не приходится...
  26. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 11 October 2015 14: 54 New
    +1
    we will never have stability of prosperity in the country. As long as the West has power. Corruption. And the second reason is America, America does not allow us to deal with the country in a quiet mode, we have to get involved in adventures of the West.
    Только всё стало налаживаться,ушатали цены на нефть,едва приспсобились как тут же переворот в украине....и Крым ...следом Донбасс...потом санкции....затем...сразу сирия.Это всё одна цепь доминошек которые падают на нас.Это всё очень затратно.Не жалею ,просто мы платим постоянно за нашу "огромность".Пока америка не лишиться доминирования или мы не слезем с нефтяной иглы.Будем страдать.Мы конечно привыкли, но имхо хочется побед не только во внешнегеополитической игре но и у себя порядок чтобы был.
    I’m traveling in a trolley bus ... on the bus ... I come to work ... I talk with friends ... everywhere I hear the same thing from people ...non-payment or delay in salaries and job cuts. I come to the hospital there is also a scribe, queues, the wafer treatment itself ... I went to do my teeth for free (BY POLIS) a month later I went to remodel for a fee. I’m not all-round but I feel proud of the country when you turn off the Internet and news channels and see in places where factories in the city are being stolen and closed. A military base was built, it seems to be a bang, and 6 plants were closed. A double-edged sword.
  27. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2015 15: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: BERTRAN
    To do this, some circumcision of the Turkish territory should be made ... In general, to complete what did not work out in the middle of the year before last.

    Someone wants to arrange a small (world) nuclear war ??? Well, well, strategists ...

    Quote: Dwarfik
    There is an air base, for the Navy there is also a port, to strengthen powerful air defense and not even think to leave!

    Порт? Вы о той "луже" в Тартусе???
  28. iouris
    iouris 11 October 2015 15: 08 New
    +1
    Мировая война началась на Ближнем Востоке. Надо делать только то, что надо делать, и будь, что будет. Для победы необходимо быстро "отформатировать" тыл вооружённых сил.
  29. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 11 October 2015 16: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: BERTRAN
    To do this, some circumcision of the Turkish territory should be made ... In general, to complete what did not work out in the middle of the year before last.

    Someone wants to arrange a small (world) nuclear war ??? Well, well, strategists ...

    Quote: Dwarfik
    There is an air base, for the Navy there is also a port, to strengthen powerful air defense and not even think to leave!

    Порт? Вы о той "луже" в Тартусе???

    Не совсем понятно сравнение "лужа", применительно к базе ВМФ. Или мб Вы имели ввиду "лужа" - Средиземное море?
  30. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2015 18: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Dwarfik
    Не совсем понятно сравнение "лужа", применительно к базе ВМФ

    Именно к "базе ВМФ". У нас таким громким словом называют этот пункт МТО. Часть из которого занимает сирийские ВМС. С габаритами такими, что плавбаза не может пришвартоваться по нормальному к причалу, не говоря о крейсере. Однако же BASE
  31. Vadim12
    Vadim12 11 October 2015 22: 48 New
    +2
    Well, if you whined, then you don’t like it. And hence the conclusion-the Russian Federation violates state plans. So, we are doing everything well and correctly. And the base is an outpost on both the Mediterranean and the Middle East. It is necessary on the contrary, to declare that they have come (returned) permanently to Syria.
  32. Seneca
    Seneca 11 October 2015 23: 11 New
    0
    "следующей целью «Исламского государства» стала бы Россия." Это частенько муссируется..ну понятно..чтобы показать необходимость военных действий для обывателя. Ну пал бы Асад и Сирия..у игила и прочих "умеренных" сторон дел в этом регионе хватит на многие года..им не до России было бы.А теперь вот не знаю.Но в любом случае уйти нельзя пока хоть какой то положительный перелом не произойдёт (кажется там никаких выгод плюсов не получит ни одна сторона извне..хоть мы..хоть Запад)
  33. Wolka
    Wolka 12 October 2015 05: 58 New
    +1
    not a prophet, of course, but it seems that Russia, after assisting in cleansing the territory of Syria from terrorist contamination, will provide the country with the security of holding free elections of the president and other authorities, although this will happen very soon, but I believe it will ...