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The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.

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The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.Russia's spectacular use of cruise missiles that hit ISI’s terrorist facilities in Syria is not only and not so much a sign of the increased power of the domestic Armed Forces. With their adoption, Russia for the first time in decades coped with the losses incurred at the conclusion of one of the landmark agreements of the end of the Cold War.


Use by the Russian Navy fleet within the framework of the operation in Syria of strategic project 3M14 cruise missiles (Caliber), it not only became a worldwide sensation, but also forced a number of English-speaking experts to return to the analysis of the circumstances of the bygone time - the signing and implementation of the Treaty on the Elimination of Medium and Short Range Missiles (INF).

The USSR and the United States have been torturing it for a couple of decades, bargaining for each other's tiny concessions, starting with the fact that the very classification of missiles by definition of their range and the principle of flight had originally been different for the parties. With the first Tomahawks in service with the United States, a prototype of cruise missiles capable of flying at low altitudes, bypassing the air defense system, negotiations moved into a more active phase, but still were inhibited by the existing parity. Trade then was not so much on the destruction of medium-range missiles, as about the forms of their withdrawal from Europe. And only with the coming to power of Mikhail Gorbachev, who announced a program for the complete destruction of nuclear weapons “All over the world,” the United States got the opportunity to achieve amazing preferences.

As a result of December 7 1987 in Washington, the parties pledged to destroy ground-based DAMAs as a class. It suited the USA completely, since the Tomahawks were initially developed in three (three and a half) basing versions at once: ground, air, sea (surface / submarine). In the USSR, only promising developments were conducted, and the first prototype was demonstrated only in the 1993 year, that is, two years after the contract was fully executed by both parties, and one of them, the USSR, no longer existed.

Since 1991, the United States has completely transferred its "Tomahawks" to the fleet management and converted cruise missiles, constantly improving them, almost into the main weapon, demonstrating the power and strength of the American army. Only against Yugoslavia in the 1999 year about 700 cruise missiles were used. Jubilee, 2000, launch carried out the destroyer "Barry" at one of the residences of Muammar Gaddafi in 2011 year.

The first signs of concern, which then grew into a scandal, appeared in 2007, when the Russian General Staff began to alarm public opinion with statements about Moscow’s possible revision of the entire system of strategic treaties on nuclear, missile and anti-missile weapons that had developed in the last years of the USSR and partly in 90 years Then the General Staff explained the idea of ​​a total revision of the entire legal treaty system of nuclear deterrence by talking (then — only talking) about the deployment of elements of the new American missile defense system in Eastern Europe. Now it sounds ridiculous, but many have forgotten that these plans of the Americans were argued by their “defense against Iranian ballistic missiles.”

The contract concluded between the then USSR and the USA is indefinite. But after almost 30 years after the conclusion, it became clear that it contained another weak place for Russia. “New” nuclear-missile countries, for example, India, Pakistan, Iran, Israel, both Koreas, have the full legal right to possess cruise missiles of any type of home base. And Russia - as a result of an archaic treaty concluded, in fact, by another country with a different political system and structure in fundamentally different external and economic conditions - cannot. Somehow unfair.

The US itself initiated a clearing up of relations with Russia about the SMDS, including in the press, using “military experts” of varying degrees of bias when it came to deploying Iskander in the Kaliningrad region — this could be our response to the beginning of the installation of Missile defense in Poland and Romania. But all these disputes, which grew into an ugly public skirmish, concerned only the letters of the treaty on the SMDS, that is, land-based missiles.

It is clear that the controversy surrounding the Eastern European missile defense and Iskander seriously distracted the attention of the United States, but the arrival of the 3М14 Caliber cruise missiles into service with the Russian Navy was something completely unexpected for them. Although, in principle, no one has built a special secret from this project. Another thing is that the rearmament of the Russian fleet with cruise missiles and ships capable of using them has happened in the last two years as an avalanche. In addition to the small Buyan-M missile ships (21631 project), almost the entire Caspian flotilla was re-equipped with cruise missiles, turning it into a strike force in the Middle East direction. Now the Black Sea Fleet has begun receiving new submarines of the Varshavyanka class. Equipped with similar cruise missiles, these submarines can control not only the Middle East, but also half of Southern Europe.

From the point of view of the INF Treaty, whatever his fate, the re-equipment of the Russian fleet with cruise missiles is absolutely legal. The United States simply missed the “point of growth.” Back in 1988, they believed that then the Soviet military industrial complex would not fight for naval modifications of cruise missiles, and after 1991, they decided that the Russian military industrial and design ideas no longer exist. Therefore, the INF Treaty has not been updated, and the US naval component of the United States did not attach any importance to it. Self-confidence is a dangerous thing, and underestimating the potential of an opponent is critical not only on the football field.

To be honest, in such a spectacular and successful use of Russian cruise missiles, as it happened on 7 in October 2015, there was absolutely no terrible need. But a demonstration of confidence, called “trolling an 80 level,” on the Internet, has never been superfluous. What happened is a visual result of the rearmament program, strategic planning in the distribution of forces and facilities and other capabilities of the modern Russian army. Vladimir Putin, accepting the report of the Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu, just stressed that new types of Russian weapons are being tested in real conditions of hostilities, as well as the personnel who maintain and use this equipment.

Yes, the nuclear deterrence system as a whole is a very complex, multi-tiered mechanism, in which the emergence of a capable fleet and cruise missiles in the Russian Federation is only one of hundreds of components. At the local level, the actions of the Caspian Flotilla clearly demonstrated the effectiveness of the new weapons systems, and now the same system will be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet. But we can already say that the strategy adopted by Russia to equip it with the latest weapons systems turned out to be correct.
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  1. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 10 October 2015 14: 02 New
    +207
    From the Caspian window you can see a little Syria. From the Black Sea window - all of Europe is visible to us!
    1. Temples
      Temples 10 October 2015 14: 07 New
      +124
      US missed the rearmament of Russia


      They did not miss anything. They simply could not stop the next restoration of the country.
      Russia for the third time in the last 100 years is rising from its knees.
      Who else in the history of mankind has faced the shocks that have fallen on us?
      And once again we survived.
      All actions of amers are aimed at restraining the development of our people.
      They say it openly.
      And they say openly that our main wealth is people !!!
      It’s just that we can do something that many can’t do.
      And thank God that strong people did not go to Russia !!!
      1. marlin1203
        marlin1203 10 October 2015 14: 49 New
        +19
        I agree, the development is old. Amer Canzi for their money can collect any information. They can’t do anything just with this. They will have to put up with the new geopolitical reality.
        1. Throw
          Throw 10 October 2015 16: 24 New
          +10
          Apparently, there was not enough money for information on the range of the Caliber. Or they entered the wrong place laughing
        2. Siberian1965
          Siberian1965 10 October 2015 17: 01 New
          +20
          What information is it for money? I don’t throw “hamburger eaters” hats, but judging by the latest events, all their vaunted intelligence and analytics together moved to Hollywood, leaving a frank de..ov on state grub.
          1. Peterhof 73
            Peterhof 73 10 October 2015 20: 18 New
            +17
            Quote: Siberian1965
            What information is it for money? I don’t throw “hamburger eaters” hats, but judging by the latest events, all their vaunted intelligence and analytics together moved to Hollywood, leaving a frank de..ov on state grub.


            As the German general on the Stirlitz train said: “Americans are idiots. They’ll be destroyed by their own equipment. They believe that war can be won by bombing cities.” Well, what has changed since then? In addition, that the Yankees campaign completely numb.
            1. hrych
              hrych 10 October 2015 23: 12 New
              +23
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              1. Gost171
                Gost171 12 October 2015 00: 30 New
                +16
                And if with rubber, it’s just as well
              2. Gost171
                Gost171 12 October 2015 00: 30 New
                +1
                And if with rubber, it’s just as well
                1. inpu
                  inpu 12 October 2015 13: 21 New
                  0
                  I told you ... I said that this is testing a new missile defense system !!!
              3. Fox_1959
                Fox_1959 12 October 2015 12: 18 New
                +2
                Dreaming, dill ... Already done ... the truth is not 26 meters ... and just a few sections ... It turns out the fence itself is not built soldier
              4. onega67
                onega67 12 October 2015 16: 16 New
                +1
                here are the "notes !.
            2. WKS
              WKS 11 October 2015 11: 47 New
              -3
              Quote: Petergofsky73
              As said, the German general on the train Stirlitz: "

              That's right, only the fictional general said this to the fictional Stirlitz in the fictional train. And this was not in 1945, but fictitiously a quarter of a century later at the height of the Cold War, when the United States bombed Vietnam.
              1. Peterhof 73
                Peterhof 73 11 October 2015 14: 27 New
                +1
                That's right, only the fictional general said this to the fictional Stirlitz in the fictional train. And this was not in 1945, but fictitiously a quarter of a century later at the height of the Cold War, when the United States bombed Vietnam.


                Well of course this is fiction. But in fact, everything is correctly said. Or not?
                1. WKS
                  WKS 12 October 2015 10: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: Petergofsky73
                  That's right, only the fictional general said this to the fictional Stirlitz in the fictional train. And this was not in 1945, but fictitiously a quarter of a century later at the height of the Cold War, when the United States bombed Vietnam.


                  Well of course this is fiction. But in fact, everything is correctly said. Or not?

                  The fictional general said the truth about fictional Americans. But the real Russian general knows that American generals are not idiots at all, and they know very well that it is impossible to win by bombing alone. Underestimating the enemy is fraught with defeat.
              2. Fox_1959
                Fox_1959 12 October 2015 12: 21 New
                0
                Fictional general, not fictional .... the essence of this does not change.
            3. Nick
              Nick 12 October 2015 11: 54 New
              +4
              Quote: Petergofsky73
              As the German general on the Stirlitz train said: “Americans are idiots. They’ll be destroyed by their own equipment. They believe that war can be won by bombing cities.” Well, what has changed since then? In addition, that the Yankees campaign completely numb.

              Do not think of your opponent as an incapable idiot. Americans are not stupid and still very strong. Replaying them is difficult for any country, but Russia is coping.
              God help her!
          2. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 11 October 2015 00: 41 New
            0
            It’s just that only a handful of bloggers remained from the American intelligence, in the complete absence of agents!
        3. sovetskyturist
          sovetskyturist 10 October 2015 22: 14 New
          +4
          The gentlemen who privatized the USSR, as well as the United States, allowed the Russians to stand on their feet a little. Yes, and the neighbors will not be very violent, the Americans will behave more adequately. Always have a backup option.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 10 October 2015 16: 12 New
        +27
        Quote: Temples
        And thank God that strong people did not go to Russia !!!

        And thank God that we now have such a strong, competent and consistent leader of the country! May God give you good health and long life to our Vladimir Vladimirovich! yes
        1. Sea Wolf
          Sea Wolf 12 October 2015 13: 51 New
          0
          If VV led the rams, nothing would have happened. And it turned out a great bunch: A smart, strong and fearless leader and an intelligent and talented people, but who still need discipline.
      3. Sterlya
        Sterlya 10 October 2015 17: 39 New
        +9
        Quote: Temples
        Russia for the third time in the last 100 years is rising from its knees.
        Who else in the history of mankind has faced the shocks that have fallen on us?
        And once again we survived.
        All actions of amers are aimed at restraining the development of our people.

        And the pin ... this saves everything and saves the loot for centuries, and continues to rob the whole world. Herein lies their exclusivity, the Evil Empire, what can you do
        1. UREC
          UREC 10 October 2015 22: 21 New
          +2
          Kashchei withers over gold!
      4. atalef
        atalef 10 October 2015 18: 41 New
        -23
        Quote: Temples
        They did not miss anything. They simply could not stop the next restoration of the country.

        And what are these rockets
        A BASIC difference?
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 11 October 2015 22: 53 New
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          And what are these rockets
          A BASIC difference?

          The fact that Russia now has such missiles, and not just the United States and its allies as before. That is, in response to their “long arms” we put forth our “long arms”, which means that there will be no more complete impunity and “irresponsibility” for their possible actions against us.
          Of course, we still have few such missiles, and there are not many launchers, but everything is fixable))))
          1. Alexey-74
            Alexey-74 12 October 2015 10: 33 New
            +4
            Ameroov is simply annoying to hell that Russia has reached parity in precision weapons, which has also been successfully put into practice in combat situations, annoying the actions of our aviation, which ripped ISIS into the trash and which in a week did more than the entire coalition aviation in a year .... but in general I think if all this pack of howls howled, then Russia is on the right track .... then Russia always had its own way !!!
          2. KCA
            KCA 12 October 2015 10: 41 New
            +2
            in "Caliber" the weight of the warhead is 400 kg, in the "Tomahawk" 250, and the "Caliber" will be fresher, "Tomahawk" is the same age as "Granita"
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      5. meriem1
        meriem1 10 October 2015 22: 42 New
        +4
        Quote: Temples
        US missed the rearmament of Russia


        They did not miss anything. They simply could not stop the next restoration of the country.
        Russia for the third time in the last 100 years is rising from its knees.
        Who else in the history of mankind has faced the shocks that have fallen on us?
        And once again we survived.
        All actions of amers are aimed at restraining the development of our people.
        They say it openly.
        And they say openly that our main wealth is people !!!
        It’s just that we can do something that many can’t do.
        And thank God that strong people did not go to Russia !!!



        Liberasts howling about democracy and .... those who do not obey the majority must bring a bolt under their nose !!! Or is democracy the power of presumptuous "wise men" who consider themselves smarter than everyone else? Let the sources raise, if there are forces to consider themselves people. Or how is Kasparov "the luminary" ... Swearing the People and calling us biomass they are getting smarter ??? P.A.Dal they are in Africa.
      6. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 October 2015 07: 52 New
        -8
        Quote: Temples
        They did not miss anything. They simply could not stop the next restoration of the country.

        development of 1983. XP can flick? cr. rockets, were, are, and will be. the article is about nothing.
        1. KCA
          KCA 12 October 2015 10: 43 New
          +1
          1983, however, the adoption of "Granite", "Caliber" adopted in 2007
      7. inpu
        inpu 12 October 2015 13: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Temples
        Russia for the third time in the last 100 years is rising from its knees.

        This is called hopak!
      8. onega67
        onega67 12 October 2015 16: 15 New
        0
        And who raised her from her knees ???
    2. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 10 October 2015 14: 10 New
      +64
      Yes, the states did not miss anything .. It’s just that in the 90s, not everyone cleaned up! Did not have time or thought all the khan of Russia? We got our Kulibins from the shelves of the notebook and drawings .. (they saved it in Khrushchev))) We felt that the turmoil would pass ... Thank them! hi
      1. jjj
        jjj 10 October 2015 14: 16 New
        +15
        Back in the 80 of the last century, our boats were armed with missiles launched from torpedo tubes. Everything is born not from scratch, but is systematically developing
      2. Temples
        Temples 10 October 2015 14: 36 New
        +3
        MIKHALYCH1, I did not steal your thoughts)))
        True hi drinks
      3. Sterlya
        Sterlya 10 October 2015 17: 41 New
        +12
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Yes, the states did not miss anything .. It’s just that in the 90s, not everyone cleaned up! Did not have time or thought all the khan of Russia? We got our Kulibins from the shelves of the notebook and drawings .. (they saved it in Khrushchev))) We felt that the turmoil would pass ... Thank them! hi

        And God forbid Russia from the arrival of such "leaders" as Tagged and EBNy.
      4. NEXUS
        NEXUS 10 October 2015 18: 46 New
        +6
        Quote: MIKHALYCHXNNX
        Yes, the states did not miss anything .. It’s just that in the 90s, not everyone cleaned up! Did not have time or thought all the khan of Russia? We got our Kulibins from the shelves of the notebook and drawings .. (they saved it in Khrushchev))) We felt that the turmoil would pass ... Thank them! hi

        Never, even in the most troubled times, our land has not been impoverished by geniuses and craftsmen. At the same time, the peasant is a resourceful one for us.
        They did not miss, but did not understand anything about Russia or its people.
    3. Yankuz
      Yankuz 10 October 2015 15: 33 New
      +1
      And the Persian Gulf is a bit!
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 10 October 2015 15: 44 New
      +16
      The spectacular use of cruise missiles by Russia, which hit IS targets in Syria, is not only and not so much a sign of the increased power of the Russian Armed Forces.

      So, for reference: Cruise missiles appeared in our USSR much earlier than the Amerikos. Therefore, their surprise and previous bravado of their availability and quality are not clear. request It's just that since that time we have left a lot of groundwork, design schools. And now, with appropriate funding, the result is Caliber. We simply demonstrated its capabilities so that our potential partners would not be tempted to talk with us as subordinates yes
    5. Zai pali
      Zai pali 10 October 2015 16: 35 New
      +9
      We draw circles for 2600 km. And from the Baltic, do not forget.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 10 October 2015 17: 00 New
        +14
        + Soon, the Kh-101/102 aviation missiles should be put into service, and it will be possible to launch targets at least directly in the sky above the airfield.
        Su-34 can carry up to 2 missiles on an external sling
        Tu-22M can carry up to 4 missiles
        Tu-95MSM can carry up to 8 external missiles
        Tu-160M ​​can carry up to 12 missiles in two internal compartments
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 10 October 2015 21: 39 New
          +7
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Su-34 can carry up to 2 missiles on an external sling


          Su-34 will never take 2 pcs. It weighs 2,5 tons of su-34 underwing nodes 2 tons of suspension maximum! Yes, and the length of 7,5 meters - simply does not take off with such rails, and does not sit down ...

          He will hardly raise even one. Only under the fuselage, but there again the length.

          For example, BraMos is one meter shorter, and there are restrictions on the take-off and landing angles with it. You can’t fly without training and experience with BrahMos. And with the X-101 it's generally useless
      2. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 10 October 2015 20: 07 New
        +10
        We draw circles for 2600 km. And from the Baltic, do not forget.
        Circles too skillfully need to draw
        The fact is that the usual large-scale (world) flat maps that we see on the screens and which hang on the walls have a strong distortion. The earth, as you know, has the shape of a ball (well, almost a ball - slightly flattened at the poles), and the map, as a rule, is a rectangle. The poles on it have the same length as the equator, although in reality the poles are dots. Thus, the image of the Earth’s surface is greatly stretched to the poles and compressed in the equatorial zone.
        Now back to our missiles.

        In addition to the fact that all the schemes presented on the network do not take into account the above-described factor (and it is extremely important for schemes of such a scale, and you will see this soon), they also neglect the size of the seas themselves. Radii are drawn from one point approximately from the centers of their water areas. But the ship has the ability to move along the surface of the water, which to a certain extent expands the combat zone of the use of weapons installed on it. In this case, the size of the water areas is too large to be so easily neglected: the Caspian Sea has a length from north to south of more than 1000 km, and the Black Sea - more than 1000 km. from west to east.

        Guided by this simple knowledge and using it as a new introductory, we have the opportunity to take a completely new look at the information previously presented to us.

        Pay attention to where, say, Scandinavia, Paris and London, and almost all of England, with the exception of Scotland and Ireland, are now. Perhaps, in the whole of Europe, only Portugal can sleep peacefully. But we have no special complaints about it, just as there is no special need for the transfer of missile boats of the Caspian flotilla to the Baltic "in case of anything."
        http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1444422660
        And this, as I understand it, is the defeat zone with the expectation of a launch range of 1500 km, and the Caliber with a nuclear charge, like 2600 km, can cover almost the whole of Europe even from the Caspian.
      3. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 10 October 2015 20: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Zai Pali
        We draw circles for 2600 km. And from the Baltic, do not forget.


        This is without the Baltic. Black Sea Fleet and Caspian Flotilla.
      4. Markiz_A
        Markiz_A 11 October 2015 03: 39 New
        +2
        2600 is with a nuclear warhead.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 11 October 2015 22: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Markiz_A
          2600 is with a nuclear warhead.

          What's the difference with which warhead? It all depends more on the fuel reserves and the type of target - if the target is stationary, then you can fly along the shortest route and along known coordinates - it still will not run away, which means that the distance you can hit will be greater. But if you hit a moving target, then it’s more interesting here - you need to get data on its movements and adjust the missile trajectory along the way. So there will be some not obvious limitations in the distance.
          1. igor36
            igor36 12 October 2015 09: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Albert1988
            What's the difference with which warhead?

            Huge difference. If you have developed 2 modifications with a high-explosive and nuclear warhead, then their characteristics are appropriate. If a high explosive warhead weighs 450 kg, then you can’t remove half to increase the range. By the way, competitors also have a Tomahawk with a nuclear warhead-2500 km, with an OF-1200-1600 km.
    6. Robinzone
      Robinzone 10 October 2015 17: 30 New
      +22
      ... and Washington’s blinds are visible from the Cuban balcony. lol
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 10 October 2015 18: 51 New
        +8
        Quote: coconut tim
        From the Caspian window you can see a little Syria. From the Black Sea window - all of Europe is visible to us!

        Quote: RobinZone
        ... and Washington’s blinds are visible from the Cuban balcony.

        Now let the Americans itch in all indiscreet places, as the hero of Andrei Krasko, by the way the submarine commander, Janissary, said!
        Embed containers with similar missiles in large vessels
        and let them fly around America with commercial flights!
        And let them reanimate their SOSUS, spend money!
        And they put their "patriots" on each km along the coast!
    7. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 11 October 2015 07: 16 New
      +5
      It remains only to remove the blinds from the Baltic window)
    8. Rarahin
      Rarahin 12 October 2015 10: 36 New
      +1
      A volley from the Caspian Sea put in jeopardy all 11 American AUGs.
      More details: http: //martensit-rq.livejournal.com/27495.html
    9. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 12 October 2015 13: 33 New
      +2
      And from the Chukchi window from the USA there will be a LITTLE TIME !!!!! angry
  2. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 10 October 2015 14: 02 New
    +12
    I hope they missed and much more and will continue to yawn.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 10 October 2015 18: 29 New
      +17
      Quote: armored optimist
      I hope they missed and much more and will continue to yawn.

      In connection with the surprises of the Russian defense industry in the form of “Almaty”, “Caliber” (and what we still don’t know about! ???) I always remember Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. And a strange tyagomotin with a consequence and a sentence. I will express an seditious (for someone) thought: maybe there was no theft, but there was a hidden transfer of finances, past the State. Duma, where there are many eyes and ears of Americans, in the military-industrial complex. I really do not believe that in the 3 of the year, with the passage of Shoigu, without prior preparation, all this could be turned. We needed a preliminary, and very painstaking, work. And secretive. We are now observing the results.
      1. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 10 October 2015 20: 49 New
        +4
        And a strange tyagomotin with a consequence and a sentence. I will express an seditious (for someone) thought: maybe there was no theft, but there was a hidden transfer of finances, past the State. Duma, where there are many eyes and ears of Americans, in the military-industrial complex.


        About the secret operation of covering the largest reorganization of the Russian Armed Forces under the code name "Slavic Cabinet" we will learn much later from the program "Military Secret" without Igor Prokopenko. The result of this special operation was a qualitative suppression of our armed forces. This is good. (And these fools, the Yankees thought that they simply steal from us as always. Ha ha ha!)
      2. Russiamoy
        Russiamoy 10 October 2015 20: 57 New
        +4
        the kindest and most naive error. how you want to believe in a miracle. this is banal theft with both Khoroshavin and dozens of other "sovereigns"
      3. Oleko
        Oleko 10 October 2015 23: 29 New
        +7
        In connection with the surprises of the Russian defense industry in the form of “Almaty”, “Caliber” (and what we still don’t know about! ???) I always remember Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. And a strange tyagomotin with a consequence and a sentence. I will express an seditious (for someone) thought: maybe there was no theft, but there was a hidden transfer of finances, past the State. Duma, where there are many eyes and ears of Americans, in the military-industrial complex. I really do not believe that in the 3 of the year, with the passage of Shoigu, without prior preparation, all this could be turned. We needed a preliminary, and very painstaking, work. And secretive. We are now observing the results.


        A few months ago there was an excellent article on the VO: Serdyukov and the “Women's Battalion”, which made a shocking assumption: Serdyukov and his “women” perfectly imitated the collapse of the army. It was a cover operation. GDP would not allow the creation of an army of inconspicuous people sitting in solid posts. These were enemies, traitors, worse than Bakatin. "The introduction into the gang has occurred," Putin said at a meeting with state security officials. Who was replaced by Serdyukov? Sergei Ivanov, who was sent to the defense industry. The rearmament of enterprises went unnoticed. Example: the arrival in 2005 of Putin’s Mikron factory, after the arrival, re-equipment of production capacities began. Replacing obsolete equipment with the latest. The engineer’s salary rose from 8 tons to 20 tons. You can write a lot. Serdyukov converted the former Shot courses into a training center for Special Operations Forces Senezh. I talked with the officers of the center. The preparation is very strong. I think that Aifonchik is leading a game conceived by Putin. It was worth Kudrin to give a hint that trillions had gone to the defense industry, when the insult of the DAM was incited and Kudrin flew out of the post of the Minister of Finance
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      5. skazochnik
        skazochnik 11 October 2015 01: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: Eragon
        In connection with the surprises of the Russian defense industry in the form of “Almaty”, “Caliber” (and what we still don’t know about! ???) I always remember Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. And a strange tyagomotin with a consequence and a sentence. I will express an seditious (for someone) thought: maybe there was no theft, but there was a hidden transfer of finances, past the State. Duma, where there are many eyes and ears of Americans, in the military-industrial complex. I really do not believe that in the 3 of the year, with the passage of Shoigu, without prior preparation, all this could be turned. We needed a preliminary, and very painstaking, work. And secretive. We are now observing the results.


        Your logic is clear, but then why not assume that all corruption in the country is a tricky scheme of pumping money to the defense industry complex, including 50 Olympic green yards (minus costs), etc. Yes, another billion dollars found under the mattress of the Sakhalin governor and a collection He simply did not have time to hand watches and jewelry to our designers, so that the deputies would not have guessed.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 11 October 2015 01: 53 New
          0
          Quote: skazochnik
          Your logic is clear

          No campaign. You were told about a specific case, with specific facts:

          Quote: Oleko
          Replacing obsolete equipment with the latest. The engineer’s salary rose from 8 tons to 20 tons. You can write a lot. Serdyukov converted the former Shot courses into a training center for Special Operations Forces Senezh. I talked with the officers of the center. The preparation is very strong

          You are -

          Quote: skazochnik
          then why not assume

          all about nothing. In vain, IMHO.

          By the way, it was already here: 3 of the 4 ships that fired at Syria with Caliber were laid down just under Serdyukov. This is a fact, you know.
      6. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 12 October 2015 00: 39 New
        0
        Well, what for the office asks to shoot. All analyzing the events have long understood Shaw Serdyuk and his fighting girlfriend will receive heroes, maybe - laughing
    2. Eragon
      Eragon 10 October 2015 18: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: armored optimist
      I hope they missed and much more and will continue to yawn.

      In connection with the surprises of the Russian defense industry in the form of “Almaty”, “Caliber” (and what we still don’t know about! ???) I always remember Serdyukov and Vasilyeva. And a strange tyagomotin with a consequence and a sentence. I will express an seditious (for someone) thought: maybe there was no theft, but there was a hidden transfer of finances, past the State. Duma, where there are many eyes and ears of Americans, in the military-industrial complex. I really do not believe that in the 3 of the year, with the advent of Shoigu, all this could be done without preliminary preparation. We needed a preliminary, and very painstaking, work. And secretive. We are now observing the results.
  3. Kenji
    Kenji 10 October 2015 14: 03 New
    +22
    And it’s not surprising that they overslept, so long “fought” (read supplied) with terrorism in countries with rich natural resources that they forgot to follow the northern bear.
  4. DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER 10 October 2015 14: 03 New
    +15
    Everyone missed, even the creation of the most “powerful” Ukrainian army in Europe.
  5. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 10 October 2015 14: 04 New
    +9
    Eugene, I liked the article competently and popularly. hi
  6. Altona
    Altona 10 October 2015 14: 08 New
    +11
    In general, the meaning of the article is that Russia received new models of conventional weapons that change the alignment of forces and make obsolete the entire military power of the United States - the missile defense system and a powerful fleet with aviation ... In fact, Putin showed an effective asymmetric response, which he had long talked about in public speaking ... NATO and US trolling took place, partners "in ah ... e" ...
  7. alone
    alone 10 October 2015 14: 09 New
    +3
    The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.


    In 1983, the development of RCC Alpha (ROC Turquoise) began to participate in the competition of the USSR Ministry of Defense (together with RCC Yakhont) for the creation of a new RCC, which it won. First introduced at MAKS-93. Subsequently, Alpha became the basis for the 3M54 anti-ship missiles (export limited range options: 3M54E, shortened to the standard NATO 3M54E1 torpedo tube) universal caliber complex (OKR Caliber), complemented by the strategic KR 3M14, based on the strategic KR Grenade previously developed at SMKB Novator ( 3M10) with a combat radius of 3000 km, as well as an 91R1 / 91RT2 anti-submarine missile (export options 91RE1 / 91RTE2).


    Knowing them as the newest don’t know is so advisable. By the way, this is their first use.
    1. Samurai3X
      Samurai3X 10 October 2015 15: 07 New
      +1
      They were only able to bring to mind in 1993, and then they forgot about them. If the USSR survived, by the 2000, a fully-fledged modernization program for this class of missiles would have to be launched. Therefore, the base is certainly one, but the filling there on 90% is different ... Except that BB is the same)
    2. UREC
      UREC 10 October 2015 22: 25 New
      0
      It's just that - "maskirovka"
  8. Motherland Russia
    Motherland Russia 10 October 2015 14: 10 New
    +7
    Nobody canceled military secrets.
    I am sure that in Russia there are still many surprises hiding from the lop-eared and luposhary.
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 10 October 2015 14: 17 New
      +18
      Quote: Motherland Russia
      Nobody canceled military secrets.
      I am sure that in Russia there are still many surprises hiding from the lop-eared and luposhary.

      A lot of you are right ...! We love to stoop, and then surprise, pliz!
      And a little joke ....
      1. Speedy
        Speedy 10 October 2015 16: 27 New
        +7
        well then also like that ..
        1. UREC
          UREC 10 October 2015 22: 27 New
          +1
          Where does the fragment come from? I want to see it all.
      2. demon1978
        demon1978 10 October 2015 18: 39 New
        +2
        [/ Quote]

        Father Baran Obama attended yes and he grew what .... well, what’s grown, what’s grown request
  9. KRIG55
    KRIG55 10 October 2015 14: 12 New
    +2
    I want to believe that the way it is!
  10. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 10 October 2015 14: 18 New
    +20
    The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.
    They are exceptional, that they themselves excluded
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 10 October 2015 14: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: treble 72019
      The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.
      They are exceptional, that they themselves excluded

      Toptygin ate or took off his hat on a smoke break? laughing
    2. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 10 October 2015 15: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: treble 72019
      The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.
      They are exceptional, that they themselves excluded


      Sensation bear ate our soldier and bastard .. wassat
      bad picture laughing
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 10 October 2015 16: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: afdjhbn67
        Sensation bear ate our soldier and bastard ..

        He is a servant without a headdress.
      2. Peterhof 73
        Peterhof 73 10 October 2015 20: 56 New
        +1
        Sensation bear ate our soldier and bastard .. wassat
        bad picture laughing


        Our soldiers have not worn such hats for a long time. At least with such emblems. Yes, and the machine is too ancient. Conclusion: either the errand soldier ran along the hills for a long time (25 years). Or the old photo. Either ... or it's North Korea.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 11 October 2015 02: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Petergofsky73
          Sensation bear ate our soldier and bastard .. wassat
          bad picture laughing


          Our soldiers have not worn such hats for a long time. At least with such emblems. Yes, and the machine is too ancient. Conclusion: either the errand soldier ran along the hills for a long time (25 years). Or the old photo. Either ... or it's North Korea.


          In my mind, the soldiers of the Soviet and Russian army are not divided soldier
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 12 October 2015 01: 12 New
          +2
          No, USSR. During my service, in 1970, they began to introduce such a thing. And the AK-47 assault rifle was then in service with us.
  11. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 10 October 2015 14: 25 New
    +6
    The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.
    Well, let them now explain to the whole of Europe, under what is it today a “reliable” PROklap wassat And how is this expensive PRO- "Caliber" intercept recourse Oh yeah-PRO in the Baltic, it is against Iran fellow Iran, he is very dangerous! laughing
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 10 October 2015 15: 26 New
      +2
      Especially for the Baltic states. laughing
  12. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 10 October 2015 14: 26 New
    +2
    It’s just that the patrons are trying on their own actions against Russia .... Well, they wouldn’t have gotten off their knees, social unrest would have begun, shifts of presidents and governments. This was the case, however, but now we have immunity against liberals and “Western values.” They don’t carry anything positive and positive, we just tensed up, got our zagashniks, did something from scratch.
  13. Zai pali
    Zai pali 10 October 2015 14: 34 New
    +11
    Who would have thought. I remember a lot of stupid articles about the useless Caspian fleet. lol
  14. Arkan
    Arkan 10 October 2015 14: 47 New
    +4
    The Americans, it seems, are still in shock; their hysteria over the shooting from the Caspian has not yet begun.
  15. nrex
    nrex 10 October 2015 14: 49 New
    +2
    That's just to ensure that no one would have thought about the weakness of the Russian Army that these highly accurate launches of cruise missiles were nukhni. Most of all I liked the silence in the press after ... THE WHOLE WORLD GOT ​​A RIPPED !!! Everyone is waiting. It is necessary to test the accuracy of the TOPOL with DAD in the warhead. WORLDWIDE IN THE WORLD IS GUARANTEED IMMEDIATELY !!!!
  16. lopvlad
    lopvlad 10 October 2015 14: 57 New
    +11
    The United States missed the rearmament of Russia with fundamentally new missiles.

    no. They all knew perfectly. Therefore, there was an attempt of an orange coup in Russia. You do not need to consider Americans as idiots. They are cunning, arrogant and cynical creatures.

    The INF Treaty applies only to missiles based on ground-based carriers and does not apply to marine carriers.
  17. smith7
    smith7 10 October 2015 15: 35 New
    +3
    "Everything is fine. Everything is wonderful ... It never gets better!" Do not relax, people. There are weaknesses in Russia's position on the Syrian issue. There, among the participants in the conflict, a whole bunch of problem organizations with their own (not close to ours) mentality. Their positions and political aspirations are based on deep historical roots. The readers of the forum on the submitted material do not have the opportunity to assess the prospects for the development of events, but together they shout "Hurray !!!" I am depressed by the hat-thinking attitude of the readers of the resource.
    1. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 10 October 2015 15: 47 New
      +1
      smith7
      depresses the capricious mood of readers


      .... according to the article ..... 3.14indos do not wait .... missed the rearmament of our ships on new missiles capable ........ fly 2600 km, this is why they are happy. Why not? drinks
    2. saenara
      saenara 12 October 2015 05: 31 New
      0
      There is no doubt that there is no reason to relax and rest on our laurels. But I see nothing wrong with the opportunity to be glad that in such an important area as the production of cruise missiles, we are, at least, no worse than the Americans.

      If you are not happy about small and intermediate victories, it is very difficult to maintain the proper attitude and perseverance necessary to achieve the following small and large goals :-) Is it not?
  18. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 10 October 2015 15: 44 New
    +1
    Bricks in the west have done enough, after hitting calibers. The time of Gorbachev-Yeltsin has passed, a new time, new realities.
  19. ser-pov
    ser-pov 10 October 2015 15: 45 New
    +4
    All this is certainly good, but Americans never remain in debt! I hope we make the hypersonic first ...
  20. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 10 October 2015 16: 07 New
    +10
    Quote: Yankuz
    And the Persian Gulf is a bit!

    Fly wherever we want)))
    1. MIKHALYCH1
      MIKHALYCH1 10 October 2015 16: 30 New
      +1
      well photoshop .... laughing Okay so!
  21. Bort radist
    Bort radist 10 October 2015 16: 22 New
    +5
    Quote: smith7
    The readers of the forum on the submitted material do not have the opportunity to assess the prospects for the development of events, but together they shout "Hurray !!!" I am depressed by the hat-thinking attitude of the readers of the resource.

    Yes, everyone is stupid, we don’t know stories, we don’t follow politics, we didn’t take the oath, we didn’t take part in the battles, exercises, we didn’t give subscriptions. And the one who leads the operation with the Americans and the eastern "friends" first encountered. We were not in Vietnam, in Angola, Afghanistan, ......., only to smear the snot and shouting the guard, then we will overcome everything. Here it is already tired. About cheers - second place, after diapers.
  22. gukoyan
    gukoyan 10 October 2015 16: 25 New
    0
    Don’t sleep, you’ll freeze ... that’s why the Omerikans became scumbags)))
  23. Don Cesar
    Don Cesar 10 October 2015 16: 30 New
    +1
    and the surprise is good ...
  24. Zai pali
    Zai pali 10 October 2015 16: 31 New
    +2
    The farther, the more Russia will show the world realpolitiks. I see Iran / Iraq / Syria as a military bloc buying Russian weapons and smashing ISIS. I see America in the pope.
    1. Seneca
      Seneca 12 October 2015 10: 29 New
      0
      How is it that Syria will pay for weapons?) They didn’t pay in the best of times either .. Sadamchik also died in debt to us.
  25. Old26
    Old26 10 October 2015 16: 40 New
    -6
    Quote: GSH-18
    So, for reference: Cruise missiles appeared in our USSR much earlier than the Amerikos

    Yah? And when did the first KR appear in service with the Soviet Army? And when in the American ??

    Quote: VNP1958PVN
    Well, let them now explain to the whole of Europe, under what is it today a “reliable” PROklap


    Damn, everything is already DECKED BY THIS PRO, joyful cries, already all piss steam, that PRO multiplied by zero. Maybe worth it for a change TURN ON THE BRAIN ???
    And to understand, for those who do not know, and to remember for those who have already "forgotten" that missile defense system designed to intercept BALLISTIC GOALS ???????????.
    Or again, a hundred posts of joyful cries about the worthlessness of missile defense write?

    Quote: armored optimist
    I hope they missed and much more and will continue to yawn.

    Do not hope .... Their intelligence is set up well enough. And what goes for the media is just a fake .... And they are well aware of both Caliber and Zircon ....

    Quote: Arkan
    The Americans, it seems, are still in shock; their hysteria over the shooting from the Caspian has not yet begun.

    Do not confuse the historian in the media with the real situation. There was no shock (among specialists) and no. And the screams from the media are an element of the information war. What for our part, what for the American ....

    Quote: ser-pov
    All this is certainly good, but Americans never remain in debt! I hope we make the hypersonic first ...

    But nobody knows this. While we go seemingly on an equal footing. Both we and they have no jerks, while failures. This is not critical, but nonetheless ...

    Quote: EGOrkka
    .... according to the article ..... 3.14indos do not wait .... missed the rearmament of our ships with new missiles capable ........

    They tell us that they missed ... And they are well aware when they lower the next building, what will be equipped and so on ...

    Quote: nrex
    Must be tested for accuracy Poplar with dad

    Prefer to see the fireworks at the starting position, when it blows the "Poplar" along with the "dad" ??? Oh well...

    Quote: Samurai3X
    They were only able to bring to mind in 1993. And then they forgot about them.

    As it turns out, everything is simple. it turns out that he wasn’t in service all this time due to the fact that they were simply “forgotten” about them. They dragged to each exhibition, but it turns out to be "forgotten" .... Well, well
    1. Ronino
      Ronino 10 October 2015 19: 57 New
      0
      But is it possible to blind European caliber by knocking out radars? or control points?
  26. Zai pali
    Zai pali 10 October 2015 16: 40 New
    +2
    The Americans did not miss a thing. They just didn't think it would work. And ofigel when all the missiles arrived. Not many countries make cruise missiles.
  27. MIKHALYCH1
    MIKHALYCH1 10 October 2015 17: 45 New
    +2
    We will go with a horse ..... Russia, this is not geography, it is SOUL !!!
    1. bashmak
      bashmak 11 October 2015 04: 40 New
      0
      well done Mikhalych! To this topic!
  28. Alexkorzun
    Alexkorzun 10 October 2015 18: 06 New
    0
    Quote: coconut tim
    From the Caspian window you can see a little Syria. From the Black Sea window - all of Europe is visible to us!


    SETTING !!!!!
  29. stonks
    stonks 10 October 2015 18: 34 New
    +4
    And Tu-160 M2 if you recall?
    It is designed for promising WINGED rockets!
    I don’t know how much time the word “promising” is interpreted here.
    I suspect that they are already ready, at least, in the experimental hardware.
  30. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 10 October 2015 18: 43 New
    +1
    Yes, people, we live in interesting times. It's only the beginning!
    1. UREC
      UREC 10 October 2015 22: 31 New
      +1
      Yes, everything is always interesting with us, when did the Russian people live bored?
  31. mosquit
    mosquit 10 October 2015 19: 02 New
    0
    From the point of view of the INF Treaty, whatever his fate, the re-equipment of the Russian fleet with cruise missiles is absolutely legal. The United States simply missed the “point of growth.” Back in 1988, they believed that then the Soviet military industrial complex would not fight for naval modifications of cruise missiles, and after 1991, they decided that the Russian military industrial and design ideas no longer exist. Therefore, the INF Treaty has not been updated, and the US naval component of the United States did not attach any importance to it. Self-confidence is a dangerous thing, and underestimating the potential of an opponent is critical not only on the football field.

    They are "Exceptional" ... what to take from them ...
  32. Yerlan
    Yerlan 10 October 2015 20: 04 New
    +1
    "The boxer does not become the champion in the ring. He is only recognized there as such."
    Very happy for Russia. "Russia is the champion!"
  33. lopvlad
    lopvlad 10 October 2015 20: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: smith7
    There are weaknesses in Russia's position on the Syrian issue.


    in any geopolitical battle there are weaknesses and in the geopolitical field people with their own mentality. Therefore, some states are geopolitical players and others are just their pawns
  34. 178
    178 10 October 2015 20: 41 New
    0
    Yes, guys. Thank God that our long-suffering country has such a president. And thank God that he understood his main mission in this life. God grant him good health and long life. And we, simple "mortals", for our part, we will do what depends on us to live: following the laws, paying taxes and supporting our leader in every way. And he really needs this OUR SUPPORT. It gives him strength.
    Although all this may not be the topic.
  35. Dargavs
    Dargavs 10 October 2015 20: 58 New
    0
    The use of cruise missiles by Russia is actually the first time, successfully and demonstratively. Why not rejoice, all the same, we hammer enemies. In addition, it is indicative of the whole world, and advertising is also the engine of trade.
  36. Lapot
    Lapot 10 October 2015 21: 34 New
    +1
    Video of today's Russian air strikes in Syria (all in one)
  37. hly
    hly 10 October 2015 21: 35 New
    +3
    GDP comes to work on 8 numbers. With a hangover. Sushnyak. Calls Shoigu .- Seryozha, what was it yesterday? - Yes, all is well.
    - Were there any guests?
    - There were.
    - Was there a bath?
    - It was.
    - Fireworks allowed?
    - Let it go.
    - How did everything go?
    - Yes, everything is fine, Vova.
    - Well then, let's get down to business. How is ISIS?
    - And after your fireworks, Vova, there is no ISIS anymore.
  38. Old26
    Old26 10 October 2015 21: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: RoninO
    But is it possible to blind European caliber by knocking out radars? or control points?

    Theoretically, yes. But only stationary, such as now in Romania. THAAD "Caliber" not to hit, because he is mobile

    Quote: mosquit
    From the point of view of the INF Treaty, whatever his fate, the re-equipment of the Russian fleet with cruise missiles is absolutely legal. The United States simply missed the “point of growth.” Back in 1988, they believed that then the Soviet military industrial complex would not fight for naval modifications of cruise missiles, and after 1991, they decided that the Russian military industrial and design ideas no longer exist. Therefore, the INF Treaty has not been updated, and the US naval component of the United States did not attach any importance to it. Self-confidence is a dangerous thing, and underestimating the potential of an opponent is critical not only on the football field.

    They are "Exceptional" ... what to take from them ...

    The message that the Americans did not attach importance to the marine component is not true. It was from their submission that they did not enter the contract air and sea-based cruise missileswhere they had the edge. EMNIP the number of SLCM among the Americans was about 800, ours 300 or 320.
  39. Oman 47
    Oman 47 11 October 2015 00: 48 New
    0
    By the way, about the birds: the Baltic MegaMonsters still do not lay bricks with Lipetsk masonry in four - about the "Caspian salute" ???! belay
    Or - have you brought fresh BRAKE fluid from the EU? CONSCIOUSLY UNSUCCESSFUL, as always?
    Or - the mysterious silence of the Supreme STRESSES ?! yes
  40. van zai
    van zai 11 October 2015 02: 42 New
    0
    The good news is that the missiles created in the USSR and modernized already in the Russian Federation tested the case.
  41. bashmak
    bashmak 11 October 2015 04: 25 New
    0
    Here they are trying to justify the thieves - Serdyukov, and others like them. A THIEF SHOULD BE SITTING IN JAIL! And there is no excuse for what purpose he stole!
  42. marder4
    marder4 11 October 2015 07: 57 New
    0
    they so believed in their "exclusivity" that they don’t notice anything around
  43. Yurmix
    Yurmix 11 October 2015 08: 16 New
    0
    The INF Treaty prohibits ground based, and if it is mobile? It would be nice to certainly supplement the BZHRK with such a Caliber, after all, everything that moves and there is a gut for secrecy. Caliber showed itself on the good side, which means more good. good
  44. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2015 08: 27 New
    0
    That's interesting. My yesterday's post from 16:40 scored MINUS 4 in total (9 minuses, the rest pluses). It would be interesting to know what caused such a reaction? To me, to be honest, all these disadvantages are a shit, but still interesting. I suspect that due to the fact that the post is not cheers-patriotic, that I do not jump with delight and soberly look at things, but still interesting ...
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. saenara
      saenara 12 October 2015 05: 42 New
      0
      I suspect the fact is that you see cheers-patriotism in the simple human joy of "wow, you, how can we!".

      And, despite some really delusional posts, in general, it seems to me that readers express joy, and not "everything, we won, he is the one who is northern, furry and quite well-fed."

      I personally put a plus :-)
    3. saenara
      saenara 12 October 2015 05: 52 New
      0
      And by the way, about the futility of missile defense. Yes, missile defense is designed to defeat ballistic targets. And, in which case, due to the limitations of the INF Treaty, we would have to shoot them at Europe, somewhere far away from behind the Urals.
      Again, the presence of accurate and long-range missile defense systems (or, as they were called during the Union, missile planes) can please the missile defense system itself with unexpected infrastructure holes, which will allow our ICBMs to deliver gifts to a more important recipient overseas in large quantities and in safety.

      Well, at least, that’s the logic, because I, of course, have never been a professional in these matters.
  45. Old26
    Old26 11 October 2015 08: 35 New
    0
    Quote: YURMIX
    The INF Treaty prohibits ground based, and if it is mobile?

    Any kind of ground based. Whether mobile, stationary, on cars or railway platforms - all this fits the term GROUND BASING

    Quote: YURMIX
    It would be nice of course to supplement the BZHRK with such a Caliber, after all, everything that moves and there is a gut for secrecy.

    Honestly, I do not see much sense in making BZHRK now. It would be alright, as in the USSR they planned to deploy at least 4 divisions (a total of 7 were planned). And to fence a garden for ONE DIVISION is too expensive a pleasure. New missiles, new rolling stock, new field launching sites, a new permanent location ...
    Moreover, it is not even known even approximately what the structure of such a train will be, which will be put at the forefront. If in the same way as in the old BZHRK "divorce" according to the positions of individual divisions, then such a train itself becomes a unmasking factor. For the quality of reconnaissance satellites has increased many times since the 80s of the last century ...
  46. BLOND
    BLOND 11 October 2015 15: 35 New
    +1
    - American intelligence is one of the best in the world, let's not throw stones at it. This is one of the most powerful (intelligence services. - Ed.), But it doesn’t know everything and should not know everything, Putin said in an interview with Sunday Night with Vladimir Solovyov on Russia-1 TV channel.
  47. Michael - 235
    Michael - 235 11 October 2015 19: 45 New
    0
    A very correct phrase: "What happened is a clear result of the rearmament program, strategic planning in the distribution of forces and means and other capabilities of the modern Russian army."
    In general, military equipment at all times and eras was created without the presence of prying eyes and without unnecessary and harmful wedding talks until then, until it was used for its intended purpose. It should be so now.
  48. Aland
    Aland 11 October 2015 21: 40 New
    0
    Quote: 178
    Yes, guys. Thank God that our long-suffering country has such a president. And thank God that he understood his main mission in this life. God grant him good health and long life. And we, simple "mortals", for our part, we will do what depends on us to live: following the laws, paying taxes and supporting our leader in every way. And he really needs this OUR SUPPORT. It gives him strength.
    Although all this may not be the topic.

    What kind of people is such and President.
  49. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 11 October 2015 22: 56 New
    0
    Amercians love to stretch their arms everywhere when it is time to stretch their legs. laughing

    Incidentally, I had long had a fantasy on the topic of the over-the-horizon launch of Russian cruise missiles, only I fantasized about the X-101 and launch over the Black Sea. smile
  50. Old26
    Old26 12 October 2015 09: 08 New
    0
    Quote: saenara
    Again, the presence of accurate and long-range missile defense systems (or, as they were called during the Union, aircraft-shells) can please the missile defense system itself with unexpected holes in the infrastructure

    As an option, in extreme cases, this may have to be done. The whole problem is in:
    1. In the subsonic flight speed of the Kyrgyz Republic. It will go on the missile defense base in Romania for 20-30 minutes. And not over the desert, as in the Syrian version, but over the inhabited territory. And this is a long, very long
    2. In the event of a threatened period, all measures will be taken in order to cover this base with air defense systems and aviation. This is another problem.
    3. It could have been destroyed by the Iskander, but not enough range.

    So it’s possible to destroy this base only with airborne supersonic missiles. And in principle, what for us these missile defense bases ??
    Those missiles that are planned there cannot harm our ICBMs. They are not intended to intercept them. Orientation of base radar systems - by and large against Iran. Yes, and missiles - to intercept the ballistic missile defense.
    1. kvapu1976
      kvapu1976 13 October 2015 11: 10 New
      0
      When launched in the Black Sea, no matter from the surface or underwater position, the background of the sea surface, flight speed (800-950km / h) at an altitude of 50m will allow the missile to be detected almost at a visual range. Well, what kind of defense measures will you take? Maybe a gun in time to shoot himself.