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Indian Defense Ministry: French Rafale - a very expensive purchase, you need to go to the procurement of Tejas

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Chief Marshal aviation India Arup Raha announced that the Indian Ministry of Defense is now looking for an alternative to the French multirole fighter Rafale. According to the Indian Marshal, we are talking about (at least) 108 fighters, of which six Indian Air Force squadrons will be formed.


Information Agency TASS quotes the words of a high-ranking Indian military:

After the cancellation of the multi-billion dollar tender for the supply of 126 medium multifunctional combat aircraft, there was a hope to receive new proposals that can also be implemented with the participation of the domestic aviation industry in the framework of the “Make in India” program.


Indian Defense Ministry: French Rafale - a very expensive purchase, you need to go to the procurement of Tejas


Earlier it became known that the Indian side was not satisfied with the final cost of the supply of aircraft, which France exposed. This cost was about 20 billion dollars. In addition, Paris was in no hurry to meet the Indian partners in terms of providing all the necessary technical documentation for Rafale, which would allow the maintenance of aircraft in India itself. As a result, New Delhi said it would "consider other proposals." At this point, France promised to "think" about how to reduce the cost of the contract for the Indian Air Force and "resolve the issue" with the provision of technical documentation.

Meanwhile, Indian Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar said that instead of 44-s of the French "Rafale" (this is the number of planes India was going to buy from Paris), the Indian Air Force would prefer the Indian Tejas-Mark 1A in connection with the same unacceptable value of the contract with Paris.

Parrikar:
Our aviation needs to have the optimal number of combat aircraft. Light combat aircraft today is the best option, especially considering our financial difficulties. Rafale is a very expensive purchase. But the light combat Tejas - the cheapest combat aircraft.
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  1. tongilguk
    tongilguk 9 October 2015 13: 43 New
    17
    It seems to me, or is there a trace of the Mistral?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 9 October 2015 13: 45 New
      23
      Quote: tongilguk
      It seems to me, or is there a trace of the Mistral?


      the Mistral side by side ... Hindus need technology .. obviously Mark is inferior to Rafal, but .. the French are like Paris fashion and women ..
      1. dorz
        dorz 9 October 2015 13: 51 New
        +6
        Little was given to the paw. Indian functionaries are among the most corrupt. The crisis, however.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 9 October 2015 13: 59 New
          +5
          The best option for India is to wait for a 5th generation Russian aircraft (more precisely, an export modification), but for now purchase an additional Su-30/35. Because the French are inclined to throw their customers, the United States also, they will not buy Chinese planes because of political differences.
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 9 October 2015 14: 06 New
            +7
            Drying is a heavy fighter - and the Indians need light. Of the new ones we have Mig-35, only it is still quite raw
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 9 October 2015 14: 20 New
              +3
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              Drying is a heavy fighter - and the Indians need light. Of the new ones we have Mig-35, only it is still quite raw

              There were Super Hornets, Rafali, and Eurofighter typhoons in the tender, they can hardly be called light fighters.
            2. Sakh
              Sakh 9 October 2015 18: 33 New
              +2
              As for the MiG-35, it is still not a serial car. She lost in the Indian tender to the same Rafale, because one of the main requirements of the competition was the serial production of the aircraft and its operational experience in the army. Rafale - an extremely expensive aircraft, about 130-150 million dollars per unit, while our MiG-35 alone costs about 45 million dollars. Yes, the MiG-35 is not a serial airplane, but it is ready for release. In addition, it has a competitive advantage over Rafale in cost, not to mention the fact that the Russian fighter is in no way inferior to the French aircraft in terms of both the range of weapons, and the ability to recognize targets, defeat them, etc.
              1. skazochnik
                skazochnik 10 October 2015 00: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Sakh
                Rafale - an extremely expensive aircraft, about 130-150 million dollars per unit,


                Something math doesn't converge. The article says that there were plans to buy 44 rafals for 20 yards of bucks, about 500 mil-news apiece, or not?
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 10 October 2015 01: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: skazochnik
                  Something math doesn't converge. The article says that there were plans to buy 44 rafals for 20 yards of bucks, about 500 mil-news apiece, or not?

                  Да сходится, сходится:)) за 10 ярдов должны были поставить 126 рафалей, потом французы сказали "ой!" и дотянули цену до 20 ярдов, потом контракт пересмотрели в сторону уменьшения количества приобретаемых самолетов, и он стал стоить уже далеко не 20 ярдов, а теперь совсем...уменьшили:)))
                  The moral of this fable is this - there was no need to try to fly into paradise on Rafale.
          2. Amurets
            Amurets 9 October 2015 14: 08 New
            +8
            In general, for France, the time has come for calculations and summing up. And everything will be according to the Russian proverb: Traded, had fun, counted, shed tears.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 9 October 2015 19: 06 New
          0
          Quote: dorz
          Little was given to the paw. Indian functionaries are among the most corrupt. The crisis, however.

          When the price rose before your eyes from the promised $ 12 billion to $ 20, it was promised to transfer the technology and it turned out - they changed their minds. So no paw will save the prosecutor's office in India if you sign such a contract.
      2. iConst
        iConst 9 October 2015 14: 03 New
        +6
        Quote: vorobey
        Mistral side by side ... Indians need technology .. obviously Mark is inferior to Rafal,

        Согласен, что Мистрали были тем пёрышком, упавшим на чашу весов "НЕТ".
        India, as a country willing and able to pursue an independent policy, is under intense pressure over cooperation with Russia itself.
        And they don’t need such a dependence on technology.

        At the same time, by blackmailing with purchases, they are trying to get technologies in this way, which, of course, is more honest in comparison with the reverse engineering of the Chinese.
      3. Wal
        Wal 9 October 2015 15: 56 New
        +3
        It should be noted that over the past week, Russian aviation has also shown that our aircraft can not only fly beautifully in air showrooms, but also operate effectively in combat situations.
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    3. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 9 October 2015 14: 15 New
      0
      ... maybe not the main factor, but not without this reason.
    4. aleks700
      aleks700 9 October 2015 14: 20 New
      +2
      Mistral and did not lie here
    5. evil partisan
      evil partisan 9 October 2015 14: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: tongilguk
      trace of the Mistral?

      yes
      And the shadow of the Great Pu ... winked
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 9 October 2015 22: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: wicked partisan
        Quote: tongilguk
        trace of the Mistral?

        yes
        And the shadow of the Great Pu ... winked


        aggressive shadow .. bully Good evening Ethiopian ..
    6. Altona
      Altona 9 October 2015 14: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: tongilguk
      It seems to me, or is there a trace of the Mistral?

      -----------------------
      The Mistral Trail was marked by the shaggy paw of the USA in the form of NATO ...
    7. vodolaz
      vodolaz 9 October 2015 21: 13 New
      +1
      Oh, how France de Gaulle is missing.
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 9 October 2015 13: 44 New
    +1
    So the French got their Mistral from India. The terms of the contract with Paris are not acceptable.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 9 October 2015 14: 41 New
      +1
      Hindus buy everything in a row ... You have a lot of money to see! You set up a supermarket at the arms auction ...! Like women in a shop ...)))) Funny and sad ...
  3. Engineer
    Engineer 9 October 2015 13: 47 New
    12
    Here they are the fruits of the 90s .. did not replace the Mig-29, and as a result, it can not offer anything for a light fighter in the international market, but there is demand!
    1. Andryukha
      Andryukha 9 October 2015 13: 52 New
      +6
      So the Indians need technology, but no one is lining up to give them something
  4. Bradypodidae
    Bradypodidae 9 October 2015 13: 52 New
    +6
    Yes, India doesn’t give a damn about the history of the Mistrals. Hindus ALWAYS acted in their own way and practically NEVER supported the USSR first, and then Russia. By the way, they do not hide this.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 9 October 2015 14: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: Bradypodidae
      Yes, India doesn’t give a damn about the history of the Mistrals. Hindus ALWAYS acted in their own way and practically NEVER supported the USSR first, and then Russia. By the way, they do not hide this.

      To be honest - everyone in this world does not care about everyone - there are only economic and military interests - no one loves anyone.
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 October 2015 13: 53 New
    +1
    And if Mistral is in the load, well, or two ... what
    1. demon1978
      demon1978 9 October 2015 14: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      And if Mistral is in the load, well, or two ...


      And also, a baseball cap as a gift !!! fellow Not even that: For every Rafal, a baseball cap fellow and to each Mistral - by flippers and an additional lifebuoy yes And most importantly, the inscription, large red letters
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 October 2015 14: 38 New
        0
        Quote: demon1978
        And also, a baseball cap as a gift !!! Not even that: For each Rafal, for a baseball cap, and for each Mistral, for fins and an additional lifebuoy

        Well, why exaggerate? request Бейсболки какие-то, можно просто по гамбургеру и билет на матч "Пари Сен-Жермен". yes
  6. Sailor
    Sailor 9 October 2015 13: 53 New
    +2
    Правильно Индия поступает,нужно свою промышленность нагружать заказами и привлекать к разработкам НИИ других стран (временно конечно)пока свой конструкторский "экипаж" не наберётся.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 9 October 2015 14: 16 New
      +2
      The Japanese have been practicing this since the mid-50s of the last century, when they began to rebuild their industry after the war. In addition, the Japanese have the largest library of patents and know-how licenses in the world.
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 9 October 2015 15: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Sailor
      (временно конечно)пока свой конструкторский "экипаж" не наберётся.

      It has been replaced by them for two generations, but they still can’t get it.
  7. EFRSTR
    EFRSTR 9 October 2015 13: 54 New
    +4
    Hindus still make a lightweight Tata Nano car. True safety 0 points. But the cheapest in the world.
    1. Kachesgm
      Kachesgm 9 October 2015 14: 30 New
      +2
      Tata Nano now they are not the cheapest (he almost immediately went up to 3000 bucks, very reminiscent of the story with our Grant). There is already a Bajaj RE60 subcompact for 2,2 thousand Baku weighing 400 kg. There is definitely no security :)
  8. gfs84
    gfs84 9 October 2015 14: 00 New
    0
    But the light combat Tejas is the cheapest combat aircraft.


    Учитывая что HAL Tejas, собран с миру по нитке (движки "главных электриков", вооружение наше и т.д.), то осмелюсь предположить что начинается банальный торг в преддверии нового тендера с целью "психологического" воздействия на его участников, вот мол мы какие - сами с усами...
    But it is enough to analyze the composition of the air forces of the main opponents of India (China + Pakistan), it is clear that Tejas is not very suitable for the Indian armed forces ...

    PS Tell me, is Tejas a radar and if so, which one?
    1. 52
      52 9 October 2015 18: 33 New
      0
      There with the radar is still the devil, what's going on. Yes, and the HAL Tejas program itself is not at all cheap for the Hindu tax payer. If they continue to continue (to cut the budget) to develop, then Lightning-2 will already seem not the most expensive program.
  9. navara399
    navara399 9 October 2015 14: 06 New
    0
    Hindus still make a lightweight Tata Nano car. True safety 0 points. But the cheapest in the world.
    finely noticed smile
  10. solovey
    solovey 9 October 2015 14: 10 New
    +1
    Since they need a light fighter - Take a better MiG-29 wink
  11. Xoyuschka
    Xoyuschka 9 October 2015 14: 13 New
    +3
    Can they sell the Yak-130? With not too expensive modernization, it will be quite a combat aircraft. And the price is just a gift ...
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 9 October 2015 14: 40 New
      0
      If finalized to the requirements of India, then it is quite possible.
  12. nond
    nond 9 October 2015 14: 14 New
    0
    Is it like a copy of a Russian plane?
  13. Wolka
    Wolka 9 October 2015 14: 25 New
    0
    Hindus have envious eyes and cannot refuse, they are trying to keep all faces in front of the paddles, and they will turn their faces from our birds, well, well, then they’re going to the market for shopping in China ...
  14. bashkort
    bashkort 9 October 2015 14: 26 New
    +2
    It is high time for Hindus to produce the aircraft they need, ships, etc. high-tech products. Otherwise, they run the risk of greatly reducing their defenses in a global crisis. The export is mainly agricultural. products in today's unsafe world you can’t get far - they’ll eat it, sir. Moreover, the neighbors in India are guys with excellent appetite!
  15. IAlex
    IAlex 9 October 2015 14: 38 New
    +1
    Не удалось индусам включит хохло-дурочку и развести французов на бабки с воплями "не скинете бабло вообще не купим". Бадут из нас потом пробовать выжать...
  16. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 9 October 2015 14: 42 New
    0
    For India, software is now better - 2. They can be bought a million.
  17. Lyapis
    Lyapis 9 October 2015 15: 21 New
    0
    Well, they shy from one extreme to the other. Either dear to them, but give a good Rafal, then a miserable cheap Tagus ... After all, there is an excellent option on the market (you yourself know which wink )
  18. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 9 October 2015 16: 13 New
    +2
    Hindus have always tried to buy cheaper. Taking advantage of the difficult situation of our military-industrial complex in the 90s, they robbed themselves with modern weapons for little money .... thought that this would continue forever. And there was an Indian home
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2015 16: 19 New
    +1
    Mig 21 is even cheaper than tejas, why compare different cars?
  20. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 9 October 2015 16: 44 New
    0
    MiG-35 would be the best option for them.
  21. vell.65
    vell.65 9 October 2015 17: 55 New
    0
    Quote: lelikas
    there are only economic and military interests - no one loves anyone.

    Nobody forces them to do this, but sometimes they have to be considered.
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2015 19: 30 New
    0
    Tejas is nonsense. 30 years to develop an airplane that is out of date in advance. And still not ready for mass production. And he is not yet fully Indian. This is a dead end.
  23. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2015 19: 32 New
    0
    In Russia, everything happens even faster. Without a Su 30 contract, what is it like you?
  24. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 October 2015 19: 32 New
    0
    In Russia, everything happens even faster. Without a Su 30 contract, what is it like you?
  25. Gomel
    Gomel 9 October 2015 19: 53 New
    0
    Quote: tongilguk
    It seems to me, or is there a trace of the Mistral?

    no no easy track ...
    and drop dead wide and long wake jet .....
  26. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 9 October 2015 20: 53 New
    +4
    Ours do not have to strain in negotiations with the Indians - cheap weapons sold in the 90s corrupted them! There is no modern aviation industry, but they behave like a beauty on marriageable days. Let them take a poke, but firmly think that they need how much and for what price, and let them not forget to take inflation into account. Then they will be more accommodating. Ours needs to offer a couple of options and wait without twitching until the client ripens. And after that, have him (the client) under a good contract. hi