The Syrian military is in need of ACS "Akatsia", "Msta-S" and "Hyacinth"

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At the beginning of the civil war, the Syrian military had an impressive arsenal of artillery pieces, mostly outdated, such as D-30 howitzers and M-46 cannons, as well as rather exotic systems, such as the S-23 cannons, capable of hitting targets at a distance of more than 30 km writes "Messenger of Mordovia".

The Syrian military is in need of ACS "Akatsia", "Msta-S" and "Hyacinth"


“If we talk about modern means of reconnaissance, automated field artillery fire control systems, in this direction the Syrians lag behind the armies of Israel and Turkey was catastrophic. The fact is that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Syrian artillery units stopped receiving new equipment from Russia, while Western countries were in no hurry to sell the modern Baathist regime weapon... In addition, the general training of artillerymen, both officers and enlisted personnel, was relatively low, ”the article says.

Therefore, at the beginning of the war, Syrian artillery showed itself rather mediocre: the low level of training and the lack of modern reconnaissance units led to firing at the squares, often with zero result.

Over time, the professionalism of Syrian artillerymen grew, but another problem appeared - the lack of serviceable equipment. The shortage of spare parts, the wear of guns greatly thinned the arsenals of the Syrian military, therefore, according to military experts, at the moment they will need self-propelled artillery for effective offensive operations. For the first time, there will be enough serviceable self-propelled guns of the 2C3 type, which are already well known to Syrian artillerymen.

After overcoming the artillery crisis, “it would be nice to provide the Syrians with modernized 2S3M2 with automated guidance and fire control systems, long-range self-propelled guns 2S5“ Hyacinth ”, as well as 2S19“ Msta-S ”and automated fire control systems for self-propelled artillery units and corrected ammunition, the newspaper notes.

All this will certainly increase the combat capability of the Syrian military and contribute to the defeat of the bandit formations.
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  1. -15
    9 October 2015 05: 29
    At whose expense is the banquet? Our army also needs a lot.
    1. +18
      9 October 2015 05: 58
      don’t worry pay! You are our market!
      The meaning of the article? Are all the statements obvious and worth writing?
      1. -5
        9 October 2015 06: 02
        Quote: vyinemeynen
        The meaning of the article?

        Strange as it may seem, but the author himself, unwillingly, led to the fact that Assad himself was to blame for everything.
        Quote: vyinemeynen
        Are all the statements obvious and worth writing?

        No, not obvious.
        Quote: vyinemeynen
        You are our market!

        And who are you?
        1. +3
          9 October 2015 06: 41
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Strange as it may seem, but the author himself, unwillingly, led to the fact that Assad himself was to blame for everything.

          I agree with that.
          What is not obvious that for 4 years of war the equipment has been knocked out, worn out, the bp is running out?
          and what does all this need?
          At whose expense is the banquet? the question is not the first plan! This is a question of the collective farm market.
          The first question is WHY we will do this, hence the understanding of the price that we are willing to pay.
          I am wrong?
          1. +7
            9 October 2015 09: 09
            Quote: vyinemeynen
            The first question is WHY we will do this, hence the understanding of the price that we are willing to pay.
            I am wrong?

            I don’t think that all that we supply to Syria is an act of gratuitous soul rush. To begin with, Assad will probably pay quotas for the development of new oil wells, trouble-free passage and basing of our ships at new bases, which will definitely be deployed. and the provision of airfields for our strategists and their support. And in the future, the priority of Russian companies in the construction and restoration of Syrian infrastructure. Plus, we get a good ally and outpost in the Middle East.
            1. 0
              9 October 2015 16: 05
              Quote: NEXUS
              I don’t think that all that we supply to Syria is an act of gratuitous soul rush. To begin with, Assad will probably pay quotas for the development of new oil wells, trouble-free passage and basing of our ships at new bases, which will definitely be deployed. and the provision of airfields for our strategists and their support. And in the future, the priority of Russian companies in the construction and restoration of Syrian infrastructure. Plus, we get a good ally and outpost in the Middle East.

              All this is completely included in my question WHY. + many political issues. But all this is tomorrow (if we win), and today our on the line of fire and financial costs today too (this is the issue of PRICE)
            2. 0
              9 October 2015 17: 26
              Quote: NEXUS
              I do not think that everything that we supply to Syria is an act of gratuitous impulse of the soul.

              Syria failed to pay off the Soviet debt. It was also taken for the purchase of Soviet military equipment. It had to be written off. What do you think, if they could not pay then, will they pay now? The country is in ruins, the economy is absent. What payments can we talk about?
              1. 0
                9 October 2015 20: 06
                Quote: lonely
                Syria failed to pay off the Soviet debt. It was also taken for the purchase of Soviet military equipment. It had to be written off. What do you think, if they could not pay then, will they pay now? The country is in ruins, the economy is absent. What payments can we talk about?

                You can, of course, not supply to Syria and wait for money, it is certainly closer to the Caucasus somewhere and you don’t need to transfer it to anyone, but this will be another war on our territory.
                1. 0
                  9 October 2015 20: 17
                  Quote: APASUS
                  You can, of course, not supply to Syria and wait for money, it is certainly closer to the Caucasus somewhere and you don’t need to transfer it to anyone, but this will be another war on our territory.

                  Greetings. I'm not saying what not to deliver. It's not up to us to say this))) But waiting for money from these deliveries is stupid. Syria has nothing to pay. This is a fact. Assad has been fighting for at least 2 years using Iranian loans.
                  1. 0
                    9 October 2015 21: 51
                    Quote: lonely
                    Greetings. I'm not saying what not to deliver. It's not up to us to say this))) But waiting for money from these deliveries is stupid. Syria has nothing to pay. This is a fact. Assad has been fighting for at least 2 years using Iranian loans.

                    Good evening.
                    There are direct costs, but there are strategic ones. So in the strategic plan, after Assad’s defeat, then the direct ones can be many times larger.
        2. 0
          9 October 2015 17: 23
          Therefore, at the beginning of the war, Syrian artillery showed itself rather mediocre: the low level of training and the lack of modern reconnaissance units led to firing at the squares, often with zero result.


          The West is probably to blame too. What did the command of the Syrian army do? Let’s keep it clean. The army of the country, which is still at war (a peace treaty with Israel has not yet been signed), especially its artillery formations were prepared below the average level. Yes and infantry formations were not up to par. Remember how tanks attacked militants in the city without infantry support? That’s why armored formations, the best CAA formations, suffered huge losses.
          Hence the conclusion: the General Staff and the Ministry of Defense of Syria were not in their place. And who appointed them? Obama chtoli? No. Bashar Assad.

          P.S. Oh yes, and comrades will come running and begin to prove that Assad is not to blame. As in the case of Tolik Storetkin. There, too, Putin was not to blame.
      2. +6
        9 October 2015 06: 09
        Everything for the front, everything for the victory !!!
        To the defense of Damascus !!!
    2. -8
      9 October 2015 06: 07
      Speaking in Syria, they found proven oil reserves of 37 billion tons, which is one billion more than the Saudis. I do not think that Putin and the Company did not take into account this factor ....
      1. +5
        9 October 2015 06: 12
        Ours have never been pragmatists, in the first place people, people !!!
        We are Russian !!!
      2. -1
        9 October 2015 06: 21
        Quote: I love the Motherland
        I don’t think that Putin and Company did not take this factor into account ....

        I’ll just put you a minus and continue to ask. Without explanation hi
      3. 0
        9 October 2015 10: 16
        Quote: I love Motherland
        Speaking in Syria, they found proven oil reserves of 37 billion tons, which is one billion more than the Saudis. I do not think that Putin and the Company did not take into account this factor ....

        Well, even if so, then what?
        And what did you find in the Donbass? Coal or shale gas?

        Vasya’s opinion about Pete tells us more about Vasya than about Pete.
        Catch a thought?
    3. +1
      9 October 2015 09: 37
      Deliveries of equipment to Syria, if any, will only be used.
    4. 0
      9 October 2015 11: 18
      There is also OUR army, only equipped with Syrians.
      And for his army to spare the means is stupidity, or what is more correct, an outrageous liberal, in the worst sense.
      Then, if you do not supply your army, you will have to feed your uncle from the United States.
  2. 0
    9 October 2015 05: 36
    Alternatively, you can finally disarm the Ukrainian junta and arm the Syrian army on the cheap by buying up the remnants of heavy weapons of dill through third countries.
  3. +2
    9 October 2015 05: 37
    without panic, everything is decided and everything is decided ...
    1. +3
      9 October 2015 05: 57
      The fact is that after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Syrian artillery units stopped receiving new equipment from Russia, and Western countries were in no hurry to sell modern weapons to the Baathist regime
      And what prevented buying from Russia in the 90s. For example, at KNAAPO, when the Chinese arrived, they were ready to plant a whore on them, if only they signed a contract for the planes. If the Syrians arrived, they would be greeted with flowers.
      The author of excuses is looking for something.
      1. +1
        9 October 2015 10: 37
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If the Syrians arrived, they would be met with flowers

        They came. At least for the air defense armament, which was considered a priority for Syria. At our Academy of East Kazakhstan in Tver, Syrian officers constantly studied, sometimes up to 10 people.
  4. +2
    9 October 2015 05: 42
    “It would be nice to provide the Syrians with modernized 2S3M2 with automated guidance and fire control systems, long-range self-propelled guns 2S5“ Giatsin ”, as well as 2S19“ Msta S ”and automated fire control systems for self-propelled artillery units and corrected ammunition, the newspaper notes.


    Of course, it would not be bad. But also to train the Syrian soldiers to master this technique.
  5. +3
    9 October 2015 05: 48
    In order to tear apart the US plans for destabilization in the Middle East countries, and then (by the same militants) on the southern borders of Russia and the Caucasus, it is necessary to help.
  6. +7
    9 October 2015 05: 51
    Can we conduct an audit of our arsenals and storage bases for samples that have been removed from service?
    Surely there is something to help.
    1. +1
      9 October 2015 10: 48
      Quote: ssn18
      Can we conduct an audit of our arsenals and storage bases for samples that have been removed from service?
      Surely there is something to help

      Well, from the "self-propelled guns" this is only the time of WWII, and it is VERY ancient. And in fact, there are enough "Akats" at the storage bases to deliver them to Syria after modernization. Immediately now, the more question is that it is necessary to put modern fire control systems on these ACS, in order to very accurately, and most importantly, quickly cover the identified targets.
      1. 0
        9 October 2015 12: 32
        "there are plenty of Akats in storage bases,

        But isn't that good.

        "these ACS must be equipped with modern fire control systems"

        The Syrian army just doesn't have enough art right now, anyone. Including I think it will be a holiday for them too.
  7. +7
    9 October 2015 05: 54
    Do you want or not, but now Russia needs to help Syria by all means and means. So what to do? The international situation is developing in such a way that defeat on this front is not permissible.
  8. -1
    9 October 2015 06: 00
    The Syrian military is in need of ACS "Akatsia", "Msta-S" and "Hyacinth"
    So I understand that the next on the list will be "Peonies", "Tulips". It is very strange that there are no requests for "VIENNA"
    1. 0
      9 October 2015 06: 21
      Quote: svp67
      So I understand that the next on the list will be "

      ....... Poplars!
      1. +2
        9 October 2015 06: 24
        hi
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        ....... Poplars!

        ... Well, then, "Iskander"
        1. +2
          9 October 2015 06: 34
          Quote: svp67
          ... Well, then, "Iskander"

          No, Poplars .... and at that, send them directly to Washington on their own.
  9. +2
    9 October 2015 06: 01
    To fight the wild Papuans, the Syrian comrades will have enough "Acacia", of which we have enough in storage and they can help. And Msta-S, sorry, our own army needs.
  10. +2
    9 October 2015 06: 22
    We've got so many T-55 tanks in storage + ammunition for them, and at the price for the Syrians just once.
    Modern weapons weakened Syria now and in the coming years will not pull.
  11. +1
    9 October 2015 06: 38
    the topic of artillery supplies is ripe, the article really showed it, there is a lot of ammunition, even in past years they were disposed of, which made the population pretty nervous. In 14-16 years the problem with recycling was solved
  12. +2
    9 October 2015 07: 13

    After overcoming the artillery crisis, “it would be nice to provide the Syrians with upgraded 2S3M2 with automated guidance and fire control systems, long-range self-propelled guns 2S5 Giatsin, as well as 2S19 Msta S and automated fire control systems for self-propelled artillery units and adjusted ammunition

    You can also give "Peonies". Their 203 mm ammunition will be especially good when destroying strong fortifications, well, they will create more panics. fellow laughing
  13. ivan3211
    0
    9 October 2015 07: 25
    Quote: Bone
    Ours have never been pragmatists, in the first place people, people !!!
    Only whose people is it ???
  14. +1
    9 October 2015 09: 16
    Quote: Bone
    Ours have never been pragmatists, in the first place people, people !!!
    We are Russian !!!

    I put you a plus. But the economic component of this issue is absolutely harmful to exclude. It is like a young beautiful wife. You fell in love with her, put on a shod, bought her a house, a car, and after receiving all this, she looked around and went to another. In order that this would not happen, a marriage contract is concluded which describes in which case the wife remains the owner of all of the above, and in which she leaves.
    I think Russia and Syria have such a "marriage" contract. And this is not offensive to both sides, you must agree. hi
  15. 0
    9 October 2015 12: 10
    Quote: NEXUS
    I don’t think that all that we supply to Syria is an act of gratuitous soul rush. To begin with, Assad will probably pay quotas for the development of new oil wells, trouble-free passage and basing of our ships at new bases, which will definitely be deployed. and the provision of airfields for our strategists and their support. And in the future, the priority of Russian companies in the construction and restoration of Syrian infrastructure. Plus, we get a good ally and outpost in the Middle East.

    Of course, the Syrian army needs to be re-equipped. But somehow everything sounds in your future tense: will pay, provide a base to be deployed ...
    This is certainly desirable, but alas, does not mean at all that everything will be so. Now he pays for weapons, but about bases ... His father, despite all friendly relations with the USSR, despite the fact that we supplied him with new weapons, including the then-unsurpassed in range S-200 reacted to just one of our statements very peculiar. It is about the introduction of Syrian units in Lebanon. The USSR expressed its bewilderment, misunderstanding of this decision ... And what is the result?

    For several years we were not allowed to use the PMTO in Tartus, and the project for the construction of our base, which could accommodate up to 20 warships, including aircraft carriers, had three air regiments with an airfield at the EMNIP, including a bomber regiment - the project was multiplied by zero. And this despite all the help that was provided to Syria.

    The only hope is that the son will not follow in the footsteps of his father and will not be so offended by the statements of our leadership. After all, when they feel bad, they are all ready to kiss our heels, they promise everything and everyone, eternal friendship. When the situation stabilizes, everything is forgotten. So it is now. God grant that we really have real bases there ...


    Quote: svp67
    So I understand that the next on the list will be "Peonies", "Tulips". It is very strange that there are no requests for "VIENNA"

    And HZ. Assad does not need variety. Need artillery, artillery systems with the same ballistics. And it turns out that we put several different systems, and the shells are not interchangeable ...
  16. 0
    9 October 2015 17: 08
    The first question is WHY we will do this, hence the understanding of the price that we are willing to pay.
    Am I wrong? [/ Quote]
    you are very deeply mistaken, Syria is very solvent, it just needs time after the war to recover, and this is at least 3-5 years, if you take into account why this civil war started, then as usual the Yankees climbed for oil. In 2010, in the territorial waters of Syria, oil deposits were found at a depth of 250 meters, and this production is cheaper even than Saudi Arabia (SA). In CA, the volume of explored volumes is 13 trillion barrels, while in Syria this field alone is several times higher than all explored reserves of CA. After the Civil War, it is precisely our companies that will be engaged in oil production, and this is an additional profit to the budget, in addition to the fact that they will pay us interest on the loan from the arms sold to them.