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Almaz-Antey claims that the full-scale experiment confirms the data on the attack on the Malaysian Boeing-777 from the Buk-M1 air defense system

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Concern Almaz-Antey published a statement about the final results of the experiment, the purpose of which was to obtain data on the type of weapons used against the Malaysian Boeing-777 in July last year. As the press service of the concern, the experiment was full-scale and full-scale and had a high cost.


The message that appeared on the official the site of JSC Concern air defense "Almaz - Antey", as follows:

A preliminary analysis of the results of the field experiment confirmed the Concern's version of the conditions for meeting a rocket with an aircraft, announced at a press conference in Moscow on 2 on June 2015 of the year.

Despite the rather large cost of the work, the Concern conducted funding for the study of the causes of the Malaysian Boeing-777 disaster in the skies over Ukraine entirely at its own expense.

The full results of the field experiment will be announced at the Concern's press conference in Moscow on October 13 2015.


As you can see, the concern is ready to confirm the data, according to which the plane flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur 17 on July 2014, was hit by the very ground-to-air missile fired from the Buk-M1 system.

Almaz-Antey claims that the full-scale experiment confirms the data on the attack on the Malaysian Boeing-777 from the Buk-M1 air defense system


Recall that earlier the concern’s specialists stated that they would conduct an experiment using the fuselage of one of the decommissioned Boeing airliners.

On October 13 not only the press conference of Almaz-Antey specialists is scheduled, but also the publication of the “final” report of the international investigation team.
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  1. Sterlya
    Sterlya 8 October 2015 19: 25 New
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    Да и без натурного испытания уже давно ясно что сбили укропы. А "мировому сообществу" сколько не приводи фактов, они как бараны на новые ворота смотрят и свое блеют, и будут дальше так же
    1. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 8 October 2015 19: 27 New
      21
      We are waiting for arguments, they are not superfluous! hi
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      2. Persistent
        Persistent 8 October 2015 20: 11 New
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        So for reference, on the map from the Caspian Sea 1500 km that to Syria, that to Kiev. laughing

        On the 26th salute salute, four ships of the Caspian flotilla congratulated Putin on his birthday.
        1. Erg
          Erg 8 October 2015 20: 44 New
          +4
          I don’t understand - why did they congratulate the 26th? It should have been 63. recourse
          1. Kiroant
            Kiroant 8 October 2015 22: 02 New
            +3
            The rest of the aviation added. wink
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          3. Rarahin
            Rarahin 8 October 2015 22: 09 New
            +5
            You know the conspirology: 62 is 26.
            Why not 36 then? I explain: because - they left ...

            wink wink wink
          4. maxxdesign
            maxxdesign 9 October 2015 01: 38 New
            0
            these 26 for 11 purposes so flown into the penny of Russia! But apparently aviation was too risky, and it’s necessary to show the geyrope that our missiles will reach calmly any NATO missile defense! and the more of these about themselves posted, the more they will be under the gun
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 October 2015 21: 50 New
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          Quote: Persistent
          So for reference, on the map from the Caspian Sea 1500 km that to Syria, that to Kiev.

          I thought that one of the goals of the Syrian operation of Russia is the desire to explain to the most dull for Russia in Ukraine there are no tasks that could not be completed in 72 hours. If we wanted to occupy Ukraine, then Piglet would not have to repeat the mantra "Воюем с Россией, воюем с Россией, дайте денег, воюем с Россией..." It would be necessary to occupy Ukraine-they would occupy, and would not have been jostling for a year and a half in the Donbas, as ukrovoyaki try to tell ....
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 8 October 2015 20: 47 New
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        Quote: vyinemeynen
        We are waiting for arguments, they are not superfluous!



        для "цивилизованного мирового сообщества" заключение российского концерна - не авторитетный аргумент, давно пора это понять...

        The question is different ... How much can we make excuses ???

        PS Sometimes such an evil desire appears so that the Boeings of all countries that are numbing Russia from the sky would fall ...
        1. Baikal
          Baikal 8 October 2015 21: 30 New
          12
          The question is different ... How much can we justify ourselves ???

          Look at it the other way. An experiment is a way to raise this topic and prevent it from being safely forgotten. Everyone must remember that we all remember and write.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 8 October 2015 22: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: veksha50
          The question is different ... How much can we justify ourselves ???

          For this reason, it’s not worthwhile to put forward additional versions and publish the results of the experiments until the report of the joint British-Dutch, Ukrainian-Malaysian, American-French commission is published.
          In fact, it is necessary to verify each fact indicated, and not argue with emptiness!
          1. aleksfill
            aleksfill 8 October 2015 23: 03 New
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            That's right!
            We must wait for the announcement of the results of the investigation by the Dutch.
            There is an opinion and it is not unreasonable: Justified - it means GUILTY.
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 8 October 2015 22: 09 New
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          Quote: veksha50
          The question is different ... How much can we make excuses ??

          And we have been trying to get us to make excuses for something over the past 25 years. For Ivan the Terrible, for Peter the Great, for Lenin, for Stalin, for that, for that ... For the fact that we do not want to self-destruct and transfer our resources under the control of the Saxon-Saxons.

          And what is surprising - before that, they were only proud of 70 years - "Авророй" и электрификацией, коллективизацией и индустриализацией, маем 45-го и апрелем 61-го, хоккеем и балетом, наконец... And now they are trying to teach us to make excuses.

          А вот хренов им! Кому охота - пусть оправдываются. Наглосаксы за пиратов, Индию и две мировые войны, Америка за индейцев-мексиканцев и далее по списку, немцы за Гитлера, евреи за Ротшильда... Мне, например, оправдываться не в чем. И положил я на тот "Боинг" с пробором - задолбали уже! Равно как и на якобы пассажирский "Боинг" 1983-го года... Тем более, что в 1983-м сбили явно разведывательный, а сейчас вообще не сбивали. А считать провокации, организованные США мне надоело. Даже здесь, на ВО, я уже не раз писал и о крейсере "Мэн", и о Пёрл-Харборе, и о Кеннеди, и про 11 сентября... Если США страна самострела, думают, что все такие? Да и немцы не лучше - одни эрцгерцог Фердинанд да операция "Консервы" чего стоят!

          A purely liberalist habit - to smear with mud - and you take a swell, make excuses ... Tired of ...

          Already wrote here, but it hurts in the subject. I hope they don’t throw over a repeat with the rags ...
          Jews choose a new rabbi. Abram stands up:
          - We all have long known Rabinovich as an honest person, I propose to choose him!
          Jews (in chorus):
          - Yes, let's choose Rabinovich!
          Yitzchak rises:
          “Now you want to choose Rabinovich the rabbi, and, by the way, his daughter is a prostitute!” Somehow it’s not good!
          Jews (in chorus):
          - Not good!
          Rabinovich gets up:
          - Well, how so! You all know me from childhood! I have lived all my life in the community! And I have three sons and never had a daughter!
          Jews (in chorus):
          - Indeed, how so?
          Yitzhak (shrugging):
          - I expressed my opinion, and you decide ...
        4. Amurets
          Amurets 9 October 2015 05: 18 New
          +2
          I support completely. I don’t know for whom and why RTV wiring is held. I already wrote in the comments that at least 2 air defense radars should have led this board, not counting the civilian controllers who were preparing to receive the MN-17 from the Dnepropetrovsk controllers for piloting a flight through Russia. In the 60-70 years of the 20th century, Dalniy The east was viewed by the then radars to Phillipin and Hawaii, not to mention the bases in the United States in Japan. After take-off of the SR-71, all parts of the 11th Air Defense Army were put on alert in FIVE minutes, and its location was constantly transmitted. I’m not saying. It has happened that civilian dispatchers also asked the air defense officers where the boards they had lost are located. This was rare, but there were such cases.
      4. avg
        avg 8 October 2015 22: 24 New
        +3
        Каклы и за Ту-154 "Сибирских авиалиний" должны ответить.
    2. Civil
      Civil 8 October 2015 19: 27 New
      15
      And who hit it then? On channel 1 and the program, Time said it was a Ukrainian su-25 shot down ... lied or what? 1 channel does not lie.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 8 October 2015 20: 03 New
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        Quote: Civil
        1 channel does not lie.


        Vadim, Dear! Are you serious about the first? good hi
        1. pv1005
          pv1005 8 October 2015 20: 08 New
          +5
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          Quote: Civil
          1 channel does not lie.


          Vadim, Dear! Are you serious about the first? good hi

          Accident !? I don’t think so! laughing
      2. figwam
        figwam 8 October 2015 20: 36 New
        +9
        And who did it hit then?

        First, from the BEECH, after leaving the zone of the air defense action, the Sushka finished off.
        1. figter
          figter 9 October 2015 00: 51 New
          0
          FIG SUV Yesterday, 20: 36 ↑
          And who did it hit then?
          First, from the BEECH, after leaving the zone of the air defense action, the Sushka finished off.

          Поверьте, после ракеты ЗРК "Бук" ей бы уже просто нечего было бы добивать. Несколько десятков килограмм взрывчатого вещества разнесли бы "Боинг" в клочья при таких идеальных условиях для стрельбы. При чем они настолько идеальны, что даже в момент стрельбы стреляющему можно выпить чашечку кофе. И нужно быть особо редкостным индивидумом, чтобы промахнуться.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 9 October 2015 05: 36 New
            +1
            figter. If you are an anti-aircraft gunner, explain why the fuse ban channel did not work for the defendant of a passenger plane? In 2004, when the Ukrainians shot at a cruise missile, and hit the Tu-154, there was a mistake in the technical division. And what about Buka? Does it have any blockages? Can you not explain. Enough or no.
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            2. figter
              figter 9 October 2015 13: 13 New
              +1
              Если пуск ракеты уже прошел по каким-либо причинам, то тут дело не в блокировках радиовзрывателя. Он взводится при старте и его задача своевременно дать сигнал на подрыв боевой части. Блокировки ракеты отвечают за безопасность, то есть защищают от несанкционированного подрыва в ходе транспортировки и хранения. Всё замыкается на человека. Можно предотвратить поражение любого самолета когда ракета в воздухе путем срыва сопровождения и отправлением ракеты на самоликвидацию, если это позволит время и расстояние до цели, а можно наоборот специально отключить все системы опознавания и блокировки. Всё зависит только от решения командира, непосредственно осуществляющего пуск. Кроме того, уверен, что на тот момент в украинские ЗРК никакой информации для запроса об обнаружении принадлежности типа "свой-чужой", а тем более пассажирских самолетов иностранных компаний не вводилось. У них их попросту не было и нет. А значит никаких запросов не производилось, следовательно ни о каких блокировках ракеты речь не может вестись.
              Regarding Ukraine, the error of the technical division is the error of the switchman. Their fault can only consist in poor-quality preparation of the rocket for the launch units or its untimely submission. They do not interfere in the rocket device itself, they only check it on special stands, including the control system in flight with compressed air and, if necessary, fill it with fuel (if the rocket is liquid). Think further. Here is the question of where the missile was aimed and the question of ensuring the safety of firing, timely notification of their conduct.
          2. Fight cat
            Fight cat 9 October 2015 11: 18 New
            0
            most likely drying was the controller, there was such an infa that they wanted to bring down board number one of the Russian Federation, the plan really looks like the planes. the drying recognized and gave a positive answer further the air defense calculations took under the hood and knocked him to hell!
            soldier
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 8 October 2015 20: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        1 channel does not lie



        They all lie ... Only every channel, every media lies what is preferable to its owner ...

        PS And the truth, the real truth, we probably will never know ...
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 8 October 2015 21: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: veksha50
          And the truth, the real truth, we probably will never know ...


          Indeed! hi
      4. PSih2097
        PSih2097 8 October 2015 21: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        On channel 1 and the program, Time said that it was a Ukrainian su-25 shot down

        Drying could also direct a rocket ... especially as there were holes from the shells on the remnants of the Boeing, on the other hand there could be not one rocket, but two or even three.
        1. figter
          figter 9 October 2015 00: 09 New
          +2
          PSih2097
          Drying could also direct a rocket ... especially as there were holes from the shells on the remnants of the Boeing, on the other hand there could be not one rocket, but two or even three.

          Никакую ракету СУ-25 не мог наводить по своему определению, а тем более ЗРК "Бук-М1"! Нет у него такой аппаратуры и передатчика подсвета, работающего на одной частоте с ракетой 9М38М1. Чушь это всё.
      5. Fight cat
        Fight cat 9 October 2015 11: 15 New
        0
        most likely they sent drying for identification, apparently they really counted on knocking down board number one of the Russian Federation, they gave him a picture, he flew up and identified that the plane was the same, then it’s a technical matter, the air defense calculation was ordered to knock down such a square like that! And that’s all! hi
        1. your1970
          your1970 9 October 2015 12: 34 New
          0
          Are you serious about the photo and the identification ???? If yes, then the pilot SUSHKY needs to give the Hero of Russia for the salvation of the President of the Russian Federation !!! He’s confused Boeing with IL on purpose !!!
          ZY hasn’t been laughing so long fellow lol good good
    3. Observer2014
      Observer2014 8 October 2015 19: 31 New
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      Almaz-Antey claims that the full-scale experiment confirms the data on the attack on the Malaysian Boeing-777 from the Buk-M1 air defense system
      Almaz-Antey is just one question: do you have nothing else to do ?!
      They, to prove something, are like throwing beads in front of a pig.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 8 October 2015 21: 49 New
        -1
        Quote: Observer2014
        Almaz-Antey is just one question: do you have nothing else to do ?!
        They, to prove something, are like throwing beads in front of a pig.


        So I, Sergey, thought that there was nothing for the state-owned (100% state-owned) enterprise to do. what hi
        1. figter
          figter 9 October 2015 00: 21 New
          -4
          Vladimir 1964 (2) SU Today, 21: 49 New
          Quote: Observer2014
          Almaz-Antey is just one question: do you have nothing else to do ?!
          They, to prove something, are like throwing beads in front of a pig.

          So I, Sergey, thought that the state enterprise (100% of the state’s shares) had nothing to do with the enterprise. what hi

          У шпециалистов "Антея" по этому поводу курвиметр шкалить начал.
    4. Das Boot
      Das Boot 8 October 2015 20: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Sterlya
      And even without a full-scale test, it has long been clear that dill was shot down.

      easy for you, go live.
      By the way, one can ask the question as the sole bearer of truth: were the Americans on the moon or not?
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 8 October 2015 20: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Das Boot
        Quote: Sterlya
        And even without a full-scale test, it has long been clear that dill was shot down.

        easy for you, go live.
        By the way, one can ask the question as the sole bearer of truth: were the Americans on the moon or not?

        Were laughing Definitely. (maybe laughing ) or maybe they weren’t winked )
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 8 October 2015 20: 45 New
      +1
      Да этим голландским "экспертам" надо лом в голову забить, чтобы там что-то появилось.
    6. Skif83
      Skif83 9 October 2015 10: 02 New
      0
      I agree, this is not the topic on which it was worth spending energy and money.
      In the world they hear the voice of the Strong, and justifying oneself is not strong.
      They showed strength in Syria, and Russia immediately rose in the eyes of the whole world!
  2. AlexTires
    AlexTires 8 October 2015 19: 26 New
    10
    As a result, everyone will remain with their opinion about the causes of the disaster. The Americans and their puppets will confirm and present evidence of Russia's involvement in the tragedy, and Russia will present its evidence and claim that Kiev is to blame
    1. udincev
      udincev 8 October 2015 19: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: AlexTires
      The Americans and their puppets will affirm and present evidence of Russia's involvement in the tragedy,

      Give at least one evidence of them (by the Americans and their puppets) presented.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 8 October 2015 20: 50 New
      0
      Quote: AlexTires
      As a result, everyone will remain with their opinion about the causes of the disaster.



      So it's time to hammer on it ... The second year the snot chewed ...
    3. avdkrd
      avdkrd 9 October 2015 01: 05 New
      0
      Quote: AlexTires
      As a result, everyone will remain with their opinion about the causes of the disaster.

      and there is. Americans every September 11 with tears in their eyes tell how skyscrapers fell due to fuel melted metal ///////
  3. Stas Karpov
    Stas Karpov 8 October 2015 19: 36 New
    +9
    А как же "лётчик Волошин"? Получается, что про него нам врали? И если всё же Бук, теперь осталось доказать, что именно украинский.
    1. venaya
      venaya 8 October 2015 19: 44 New
      +7
      Quote: Stas Karpov
      А как же "лётчик Волошин"? Получается, что про него нам врали? ...

      Not yet evening. I hope there are additional documents and arguments in store, it’s dangerous to reveal all the cards so far, let's wait a bit.
    2. shurik
      shurik 8 October 2015 19: 58 New
      +3
      Now it remains to prove that it is Ukrainian.

      In Russia, “Buk-M1"Withdrawn from service.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 8 October 2015 20: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Shurik
        In Russia, the Buk-M1 is withdrawn from service.



        But somewhere in the arsenals there is a canned one ... So they will say - they pulled it out of the hangar, and ... you can not talk further ...
    3. cap54
      cap54 8 October 2015 19: 58 New
      +3
      А как же "лётчик Волошин"?
      And he was apparently on the safe side: a rocket from a beech will not hit - it will bring down Voloshin. The Bukova missile turned out to be accurate ... Voloshin saw everything and from here his words: The plane is not the same ... Probably something like that.
      1. Rader
        Rader 8 October 2015 20: 08 New
        +2
        There was a version that perfectly coordinated everything: Su25 knocked out a Boeing, and Buk finished it off.
        P.s. Я правильно понял, про "натурный эксперимент": поставили старый Боинг и подорвали рядом с ним БЧ Буга?
    4. pv1005
      pv1005 8 October 2015 20: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Stas Karpov
      А как же "лётчик Волошин"? Получается, что про него нам врали? И если всё же Бук, теперь осталось доказать, что именно украинский.

      Волошин мог отстреляться первым. Но в силу своей подготовки (или еще каких факторов) не завали птичку. Пришлось добивать крупным "калибром". Но факт остается на лицо, вальнули Боинг упоротые. am
  4. eskanderRUS
    eskanderRUS 8 October 2015 19: 36 New
    +6
    On a global scale, this experiment does not change anything; for Western propaganda, Russia is an acupant and an aggressor, the United States and a NATO hungry Cerberus, in a place with ukrofashists, holy angels with a halo over their heads.
  5. Arkan
    Arkan 8 October 2015 19: 41 New
    +2
    As you can see, the concern is ready to confirm the data, according to which the plane flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur 17 on July 2014, was hit by the very ground-to-air missile fired from the Buk-M1 system.


    Let's look at the arguments of the parties. Although it is already clear that growers are getting dark.
  6. uralex
    uralex 8 October 2015 19: 48 New
    +3
    Regardless of the outcome of the investigation of the downed Boeing, he has already completed his evil task ... Every year, the truth about this tragedy fades away ... As long as the current Ukrovlast is needed, the US world media will be blind ...
    1. udincev
      udincev 8 October 2015 20: 07 New
      0
      Quote: uralex
      Every year, the truth about this tragedy fades ...

      How will it fade that the passenger Boeing was sent to the war zone (known by whom)? How do other dumb irresponses fade? So you can draw conclusions ...
  7. dsi
    dsi 8 October 2015 19: 48 New
    +5
    The full results of the field experiment will be announced at the Concern's press conference in Moscow on October 13 2015.

    Yes, don’t go to your grandmother here, it’s clear:
    Where is the dispatcher? Where is your mother Voloshin? Are you sure that the Americans will not surrender you. Our convicts miss you ...
    1. Rader
      Rader 8 October 2015 20: 16 New
      +1
      Where is the dispatcher? Where is your mother Voloshin?

      They are heroes ... And to heroes, as you know, - a shroud (funeral). No one likes witnesses.
  8. 79807420129
    79807420129 8 October 2015 19: 50 New
    10
    The point is that they are already running around with the tribunal as with a written case and the guilty ones have already been appointed, and we will learn the whole truth about this tragedy in years through ... or never.
  9. Gambit501
    Gambit501 8 October 2015 19: 53 New
    +2
    It’s worthless to prove something, as the West will say so and will be, dill will be told to yell that they brought down Putin and they will yell ...
  10. Dyagilev
    Dyagilev 8 October 2015 19: 53 New
    0
    "Свидетеля" того что Боинг сбил украинский самолёт нашла "комсомольская правда". Эту липу комсомолка съела и нам впарила.Остальные подхватили. Вот и всё. Какой с них спрос?
    1. atalef
      atalef 8 October 2015 21: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Dyagilev
      "Свидетеля" того что Боинг сбил украинский самолёт нашла "комсомольская правда". Эту липу комсомолка съела и нам впарила.Остальные подхватили. Вот и всё. Какой с них спрос?

      Actually, it was the main version of TFR, and the witness passed the test on the lie detector laughing
  11. kil 31
    kil 31 8 October 2015 19: 59 New
    0
    What is the use of us and the militias almost officially appointed guilty. It remains only to publish a report on the investigation conducted by Ukraine, the Netherlands and England.
  12. Manul
    Manul 8 October 2015 20: 00 New
    0
    Some kind of muddy, these press representatives of Diamond. It seems that they always want to destroy our official versions. After all, even specialists from other countries claimed that there were traces of holes from cannon armaments. That they specifically shot at the cockpit. How could Almaz-Antey conduct experiments, on the basis of what data, if they physically could not investigate the casing, which they sawed, and quickly removed? Where did they get the nature of the damage to the case, from photos on social networks?
  13. BOB044
    BOB044 8 October 2015 20: 01 New
    0
    Well, here is Ukraine’s kerdyk. Just a pity that no one wants to believe. After all, not the EU will not want to know the truth. Because they are su ... u.
  14. gukoyan
    gukoyan 8 October 2015 20: 07 New
    +2
    I see dill learn well from Omerikans ... those to enter Iraq, the twins blew up their towers, these same freaks shot down the liner in order to denigrate us ... clever, so clever, which is very stupid)))
  15. ssn18
    ssn18 8 October 2015 20: 11 New
    +3
    Almaz-Antey claims that the full-scale experiment confirms the data on the attack on the Malaysian Boeing-777 from the Buk-M1 air defense system

    I would like to understand how it is? In the same weather conditions, in the same area, Buk was launched on Boeing?

    In general, immediately after the tragedy, a bunch of photos of debris were posted on the network. So on the cockpit, on both sides, the inlet and outlet openings of about 30 mm were clearly visible. Which allows us to conclude that the shelling of the Boeing crew from two sides. Maybe two planes, maybe one but alternately from one, then from the other. I do not exclude the use of Buk before or after shelling from an airplane. Most likely the plane finished off.
    Ready to listen (read) and other arguments.
  16. KRIG55
    KRIG55 8 October 2015 20: 18 New
    +1
    Wait ahead of the results of the most honest and unbiased investigation ....
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 8 October 2015 21: 11 New
      0
      Igor, you type pinned? Well then, we are waiting. You can build another Trans-Siberian Railway during this time. wink
  17. gammipapa
    gammipapa 8 October 2015 20: 22 New
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    Yes, languages ​​had to be taken from the sacrament of ukrovoyak in hot pursuit, and not expensive experiments to be carried out. Now they’ll be screaming like that for an interruption - our beech, a hundred pounds means we shot down and at least half a head in the forehead.
  18. Maksus
    Maksus 8 October 2015 20: 28 New
    +2
    Народ, ау!!! Предварительные выводы голландцев давно в сети - Боинг сбит ракетой, ракетой комплекса Бук. Никаких пушек и ракет "воздух-воздух". Алмазовцы просто подтвердили это. А вот как доказать чей это Бук? Об этом смотрите в 2016 году!
  19. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 8 October 2015 20: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Stas Karpov
    А как же "лётчик Волошин"? Получается, что про него нам врали? И если всё же Бук, теперь осталось доказать, что именно украинский.

    Насчет "украинский"-вне всяких сомнений,ибо у нас на вооружении он не стоит!Что касаемо Волошина,то эта версия пришла с перебежчиком-техником,и здесь возникает вопрос:где диспетчер и данные по маршрутам находящихся в воздухе самолетов на тот момент времени?Но этот вопрос может быть адресован только украинской стороне,помимо множества других,но(еще одно)с Украины эти данные никто кроме России не требует.Ответ на поверхности!
  20. Erg
    Erg 8 October 2015 20: 52 New
    +4
    Я считаю, что и наши, и матрасники, и свидомые отлично знают, как и кем был сбит боинг. Не понятно, зачем "алмаз" занимается чепухой. Про "бук" - нет ни одного свидетеля пуска. След от пуска "висит" несколько минут, и виден за многие км. Зачем мы опять обсуждаем эту тему?
  21. Stas Karpov
    Stas Karpov 8 October 2015 21: 07 New
    +5
    And it is not clear where the alleged AN-26 went about the shooting of which the riflemen trumpeted? In general, they got drunk to the fullest ...
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 October 2015 21: 10 New
    +1
    Probably in vain experts did it. It's just a pity time. When the culprits are appointed, and the opposite point of view is fraught with grave consequences (who remembers, only the Boeing tragedy made Merkel literally 180 degrees expand the position). Nevertheless, it is good that GDP has steel Faberge. Try on his skin - no, I'm better than a beer with shrimp ...
  23. 23424636
    23424636 8 October 2015 21: 18 New
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    strange position the diamond antea all went to firing from ukrainian drying, etc., and suddenly these experiments make for their loot versions of the supposedly Russian beech. Or they don’t chop off the head with diamond or it’s time to clean the shots from agents of the western intelligence services.
  24. Barakuda
    Barakuda 8 October 2015 21: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    only the Boeing tragedy made Merkel literally 180 degrees expand the position

    In the Kama Sutra is not strong. IT'S HOW Sorry? for ignorance. And who is actually participating there. request
    Yes, a tragedy, just do not have to stick it out. In Russia it was worse.
  25. Baloo
    Baloo 8 October 2015 21: 20 New
    +1
    Насколько я помню, фирма указала и место, откуда прилетела ракета. Фирма утверждала,что бук прилетел с позиций ВСУ. Я больше верю свидетелям, утверждавшим, что видели два самолета. Отсутствуют свидетели, видевшие и слышавшие старт бука. Каломой пранкеру Вовану проговорился, что сбили не тот боинг. Помошники каломоя, согласно радиоперехвату также обсуждали, что сбили "воздухом", потому что с земли не получилось. Бук, который достался ополченцам не подлежал восстановлению.
    With the photo sent by Build, the specialists quickly figured out that the fake. I prefer to trust the information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. There is a subtle game. Perhaps the company is the same as the photo of Build. request
    We will wait. hi
  26. Not served
    Not served 8 October 2015 21: 23 New
    -1
    Somehow, through the links through VO, I went to an article where the version was described that the BUK was a militia, which our people helped restore and understaff. The target was AN-24 with a dill landing force, the liaison sent SMS that it was flying out, it was detained and the plane was not released. The militiamen were waiting for the AN-24, the target appeared, they didn’t understand and couldn’t but valnuli that flew. Yes, it is clear that the sizes are different and the height, but they somehow explained it.
    The only thing then from this version is not clear where the holes from the gun of the plane come from. There was a program of ours, they showed how our destroyer shot the old fesulage on the ground and compared the holes in the photos from the Boeing. One to one.
  27. drags33
    drags33 8 October 2015 21: 24 New
    +1
    Что-то мне подсказывает, что доклад международной следственной группы (из Нидерландов) не будет опубликован 13 октября. Исследование/расследование концерна "Алмаз-Антей" спутало все карты международным шулерам. Теперь они будут думать, как выползти из этой ситуёвины...
  28. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 8 October 2015 21: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Shurik
    Now it remains to prove that it is Ukrainian.

    In Russia, “Buk-M1"Withdrawn from service.

    Фраза "снят с вооружения" отнюдь не означает "отсутствует". Обычно это значит, что тот или иной образец ВВТ выведен из активной технической эксплуатации в войсках и находится на хранении (консервации) на соответствующих складах или пунктах. Откуда может быть после определенных мероприятий (расконсервация, ТО и тп) переведен в исправное (боеготовое) состояние. Вот если все российские "Бук-М1" утилизированы с составлением соответствующих актов утилизации или предъявить акты ежегодных инвентаризаций по складам и базам хранения ВВТ снятой с вооружения из которых может быть видно, что ни один снятый с вооружения "Бук" никуда с этих складов или баз не пропал тогда можно доказывать непричастность России к данному инциденту. Только вот зная "приверженность" некоторых военных тыловиков к строгому учету и контролю предъявить пока к сожалению нечего.
  29. Barakuda
    Barakuda 8 October 2015 21: 39 New
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    YES HOW MUCH CAN YOU TRY about it? With these stuffing people earn a wabble. Not for the first time.
    Хотя например ,если Рома "Банши" использует по назначению,я согласен.
  30. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 8 October 2015 22: 02 New
    +2
    Determining who shot down is extremely simple - get the damaging elements from the skin of the aircraft and bodies ...
  31. Sevastopol 76
    Sevastopol 76 8 October 2015 23: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: Sterlya
    Да и без натурного испытания уже давно ясно что сбили укропы. А "мировому сообществу" сколько не приводи фактов, они как бараны на новые ворота смотрят и свое блеют, и будут дальше так же

    100%. It is a pity that there is little information about the test itself. It is interesting to read about the technique.
  32. Stas Karpov
    Stas Karpov 9 October 2015 00: 34 New
    +2
    Confused already in his lies. Today is one - tomorrow is another recourse
  33. Garis
    Garis 9 October 2015 01: 36 New
    +1
    In any case, everything secret will become apparent. It's all about time. And the political time has now accelerated its progress ... I think so ...
  34. kostavit
    kostavit 9 October 2015 02: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: Andryukha G
    Determining who shot down is extremely simple - get the damaging elements from the skin of the aircraft and bodies ...

    Like already got ...
  35. kostavit
    kostavit 9 October 2015 02: 27 New
    +2
    There is one unannounced version: Boeing shot down one of the 18 Finnish BUK-M1. They came to Finland in 1996 from Russia.
  36. ermolai
    ermolai 9 October 2015 03: 14 New
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    Quote: Zoldat_A
    And now they are trying to teach us to make excuses.

    The soldier said perfectly, but now there is Munich speech, there is an answer to the gopote after the UN General Assembly, now turn to them to bleat something in your defense to the question: did you at least understand (idiots) what you did (debts, b-d) and refugees to help them.
  37. nomad74
    nomad74 9 October 2015 03: 17 New
    +2
    We must score on the geyropu and the states! Do not make excuses for any events of our centuries-old history! Jackals of the states (geyropa) will always blame us and everything! Yes, go to hell! We need to move on to an active defense-offensive: blame the states for using nuclear weapons against civilians and the genocide of the inhabitants of the earth of various continents!
  38. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 9 October 2015 04: 08 New
    +2
    There was a team of Fashington-shot down Russia and all the experiments are a waste of time !!! We will wait until October 13, although the result will be thought to be zero, because the truth is an aspen stake in the politics of geyropa.
  39. Lunic
    Lunic 9 October 2015 06: 17 New
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    There is a full archive of publications at VO, along with comments.
    Можно "вернуться" и просмотреть материалы с самого начала восстания в Донбассе... особенно интересно почитать про захват ополченцами бука в воинской части в Донецке. там ведь и фотки были (если конечно не левые фотки выкладывали)... и состояние буков описывалось. Еще, насколько я помню были заявления украинких командиров о том что установка была почти полностью разукомплектована...
    After that, the Ukrainian authorities later declared that the Russian Federation delivered a beech to the militia and then quickly took it back ..
  40. eyed
    eyed 9 October 2015 06: 21 New
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    Правда никогда не была нужна никому и не будет нужна никогда. В нашу эпоху с изобретением радио и тп уже бесполезно доискиваться до правды, тот , кто первый прокукарекал - то и на коне. Остальное либо оправдываться, либо пороть чушь дальше. И где среди этого потока "информации" правда - хрен поймёшь...
    And who needs it, he knows, but is silent. In about 20-30 years, they will find out the truth, but who needs it ...
  41. pescimakhi
    pescimakhi 9 October 2015 07: 09 New
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    If even now the truth will be discovered and proved, I think it will not change anything in the minds of the western man in the street, we hoped and believed in one thing and Western propaganda already sowed its seeds of doubt in another ... The time that they pulled did not work for us!
  42. da Vinci
    da Vinci 9 October 2015 08: 31 New
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    But what about statements about the Su25? And also by experts? ... A little lie causes a lot of distrust!
  43. Shuttle
    Shuttle 9 October 2015 10: 00 New
    +1

    - Who shot down a Boeing?
    - 154-th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I talked about this. (I. Bezler)
  44. Termit1309
    Termit1309 9 October 2015 11: 04 New
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    Quote: Fil743

    Фраза "снят с вооружения" отнюдь не означает "отсутствует". Обычно это значит, что тот или иной образец ВВТ выведен из активной технической эксплуатации в войсках и находится на хранении (консервации) на соответствующих складах или пунктах. Откуда может быть после определенных мероприятий (расконсервация, ТО и тп) переведен в исправное (боеготовое) состояние.

    Go to the store? What is the shelf life you know? How much can you repeat this life, stop confusing it with a computer game. The term of Russian missiles of this modification is long gone. In the early 2000s, Ukraine turned to Almaz-Antey with a request to finalize Buk-m1 missiles in order to extend the shelf life and operation. This company has successfully completed it. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation did not address such a REQUEST. Chew further?
  45. gerodot
    gerodot 11 October 2015 11: 24 New
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    hit American propaganda