The Pentagon confirmed the change in the course of the American pilot due to the approach of the Russian aircraft

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In Syria, there was one incident when the American pilot had to change the route in order to avoid rapprochement with the Russian plane, Leader of the Pentagon Jeff Davis quotes Reuters.

The Pentagon confirmed the change in the course of the American pilot due to the approach of the Russian aircraft


“We had at least one case in which we had to take action to avoid unsafe rendezvous. We were forced to change the route of the aircraft "- quotes Davis newspaper Look.

At the same time, the newspaper notes that CNN presented the words of Davis in a slightly different way. According to the TV channel, it was like this: “Two American F-16 planes were forced to change course, which took off from the Incirlik base located in Turkey to attack the positions of IG near Raqqa.” But they did not fulfill the mission of the car, because the pilots had the order to “change the route if the Russian plane was noticed by them at a distance of 20 nautical miles”.

CNN at the same time stressed that the incident occurred after the parties held the first consultation on the safety of flights over the territory of Syria.
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  1. +34
    8 October 2015 16: 25
    20 nautical miles distance ... pi pepper dangerous! laughing
    1. +32
      8 October 2015 16: 27
      less than a minute of flight
      1. -10
        8 October 2015 16: 30
        what's in Syria on helicopters? not a good enemy infa passed .. Does anyone have any information?
        1. +72
          8 October 2015 16: 34
          What exactly did the info go where and when did it go? Does Ker have a panic? Let's refer. And pissing without a reason is not a reason not to serve in the army. Or just throw in advance draw up. Facts wow Masha well or links. Links, not links.
          1. +4
            8 October 2015 16: 37
            http://mignews.com/news/disasters/world/081015_145831_87515.html

            Everywhere the same infa. Almost word for word. I will think that crap.
            1. +33
              8 October 2015 16: 40
              "It is assumed that these helicopters belonged to the Russian Air Force"

              "Whether these helicopters were actually Russian also remains unknown."

              Well? Believe them? They say we put dozens of children there. This is generally about the Israeli resource. What are you opupali enemy media to give an example. Where is our official? And then the question is, whose boys are you? (just who will say that you girls let the first throw a stone at me laughing )
              1. +6
                8 October 2015 16: 47
                That is, to the question

                Quote: Tatarus
                whose boys are you


                easier to answer with a minus? Orrrriginal
                1. +18
                  8 October 2015 17: 01
                  I did not give an example. And I gave the link, as you requested.

                  And minus why I do not understand.
                  Yes, plus I also see no reason.

                  It's not about the pros and cons of speech, but about the lives of our guys.
                  1. +7
                    8 October 2015 17: 13
                    So I'm for the link, too, like plus. For any information you need to plus. Otherwise, we become woody.
                    1. +4
                      8 October 2015 17: 45
                      Quote from the article
                      The Pentagon confirmed the change in the course of the American pilot due to the approach of the Russian aircraft
                      Well, finally, the Pentagon has shown your "mutual understanding" (!) laughing - с Russian Air Force about impossibility am APPROXIMATIONS of american pilots with Russian the pilots in the sky over Syria!
                      1. +9
                        8 October 2015 18: 18
                        Then I thought that the chance of provocations on the part of the Yankees is very great. Bomb the hospital, rinse off and then scream to the whole world about bad russian guys. This is very American!

                        No one should be allowed into the area of ​​the operation by our VKS. Squeeze, force landing, take on the sight (and not just to accompany on the aisle, but to capture the target so that they have a heather in the cabs), just hang on the tail - just to prevent us from setting us up
                    2. 0
                      10 October 2015 23: 08
                      Here infa will be more interesting:

                      In the captured ISIS camp, American parachutes and equipment were dropped.
                      http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-10-10/na-poziciyah-boevikov-igil-obnaruzheny-amerikan
                      skie-parashyuty-i-snaryazhenie
                2. 0
                  11 October 2015 13: 09
                  Yes, the topic is generally different ...
                  Here, pissing meet our flyers - this is +, a big PLUS!
                  So, slowly, and we will teach everyone, either to respect or to be afraid, as it was before ...
              2. +14
                8 October 2015 16: 50
                Quote: Tatarus
                1. Why are you opupali enemy media to give an example. 2.Where is our official? 3. And then the question is, whose boys are you?


                according to claim 1. - Enemy is not enemy, but infa passed
                and here p. 2. very much by the way - Where is our official?
                and according to claim 3. - rudeness is not a sign of a patriot, even if you are the most patriotic patriot.
                But in fact there was a question, if you do not know the answer in essence, do not beat yourself in the chest.
                minus is not mine, if that.
                I can’t answer further, if only after two hours.
                1. 0
                  8 October 2015 17: 00
                  But plus mine

                  Just Old, and especially this ..., you need to reinforce the links. In order to continue the dialogue in real time, do not spend minutes searching for information.

                  Quote: Bombardier
                  rudeness is not a sign of a patriot, even if you are the most patriotic patriot.
                  I am not a patriot.

                  Quote: Bombardier
                  But in fact there was a question, if you do not know the answer in essence, do not beat yourself in the chest.
                  Bombardier, if I knew on the topic I would have laid out chesslovo. No need to answer. Sharpness was not for you. Just imagine how many people can catch on such an info and arrange a wake here. Regards Tatars. hi
                  1. +11
                    8 October 2015 17: 06
                    I am not a patriot.
                    So sorry. It is sad.
                    1. +3
                      8 October 2015 17: 15
                      Why sorry. I am a kinsman. Living in the homeland and considering it fortunate to protect her. Where She wills.
              3. +8
                8 October 2015 17: 01
                Quote: Tatarus
                "Whether these helicopters were actually Russian also remains unknown."

                And whether they were at all - also h / s. laughing
                1. +3
                  8 October 2015 17: 16
                  Quote: GRAY
                  And were they at all
                  by helicopters.
                  Suddenly, excavators again. These creatures are so unpredictable. laughing
            2. +5
              8 October 2015 16: 53
              They have already shot down our planes with a dozen, and why? Well, people, adults, filter the inflow.
            3. +3
              8 October 2015 16: 53
              Quote: Temples
              http://mignews.com/news

              If my memory serves me right, then it was this resource that launched the fake that the MiG-29 shot down the F-16 on the Baltic Sea ....
            4. +9
              8 October 2015 16: 59
              Quote: Temples
              Everywhere the same infa. Almost word for word. I will think that crap.

              Followed the link, found it there:
              According to information provided by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in London, opposition fighters shot down at least one helicopter.

              This "respected organization", the observatory of mlya, consists of one single "astronomer" who used to sell shawarma in Coventry, and now has risen and defends human rights in London.
              He has no sources in Syria and most likely this is another duck.
              1. 0
                8 October 2015 19: 41
                Maybe a shawarma in St. Petersburg?
              2. 0
                8 October 2015 23: 29
                Quote: GRAY
                This "respected organization", the observatory of mlya, consists of one single "astronomer" who used to sell shawarma in Coventry, and now has risen and defends human rights in London.
                He has no sources in Syria and most likely this is another duck

                And this seller of ducks can have nothing but a "duck". dreamer dreamer bl ...
              3. 0
                9 October 2015 11: 07
                Is the observatory doing this outlining?
            5. +5
              8 October 2015 17: 22
              Mignews is an Israeli information base. The Syrian Observatory is located in London and has exactly 1 (ONE) person working there. Which has already been marked by inadequate messages. "Downed on landing" means that missiles (probably MANPADS) have been launched near a Russian base. In general - news with a strong smell.

              Since in the war they shoot and there are losses - this does not mean that everything will be like in a computer shooter. Probably there will be losses. So what? Minimize an operation?
              1. +4
                8 October 2015 17: 26
                Quote: Bakht
                Mignews is an Israeli information base. The Syrian Observatory is located in London and has exactly 1 (ONE) person working there. Which has already been marked by inadequate messages. "Downed on landing" means that missiles (probably MANPADS) have been launched near a Russian base. In general - news with a strong smell.

                Since in the war they shoot and there are losses - this does not mean that everything will be like in a computer shooter. Probably there will be losses. So what? Minimize an operation?

                The guys are at risk. They don’t beat, they just drive them with screws. Let's hope that everything is fine. I think there is no need to hysteria, nothing is known.
                1. +1
                  8 October 2015 19: 53
                  the guard can also be Syrian - the technique is the same, no identification marks are visible. It is possible that the Syrian Air Force is supporting the offensive
                2. 0
                  8 October 2015 21: 49
                  And who hit whom in this video? And in the message about our helicopter shot down during the approach, it is also not clear what was meant? There are actually our marines. And I think so, given the Afghan and Chechen experience, our guys will not allow our equipment to be shot down at our airfields.
                  1. +3
                    10 October 2015 19: 44
                    Quote: soldat74
                    And in the message about our helicopter shot down during the approach, it is also not clear what was meant?

                    If Igilovites shot down our helicopters, the whole YouTube would be full of rollers with captured by our pilots or at least with our helicopters shot down against which this scum would have stood.But there is nothing!At least a bit include your head, gentlemen. fool
            6. +2
              8 October 2015 17: 34
              According to information provided by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in London wassat
              1. +1
                8 October 2015 20: 40
                "Observatory for Human Rights" belay fool From the "International Department for the Department of Aliens" wassat
            7. 0
              8 October 2015 17: 34
              "According to information provided by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in London ..." wassat
            8. +3
              8 October 2015 17: 50
              Well, as it were, this bullshit seriously, I would not have considered under any sauce. And in general, our people and the Syrians clearly said that it is impossible to use helicopters at the current stage, well, if you just scatter the campaigns :) well, somehow, I’ve gone, adnaka, cook borsch laughingplus I bet you, for the work of finding links. The enemy and I get along I still need to know, thanks
            9. +2
              8 October 2015 17: 53
              Bullshit is complete, this horseradish from the hillock constantly throws shit on the fan. Undercover Mi 6 Personality
            10. 0
              8 October 2015 19: 08
              I’ll think that crap. ,, Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in London ,,
              in the amount of one person.
            11. 0
              8 October 2015 21: 41
              Yes, of course, the fake of these corrupt media!
            12. 0
              10 October 2015 21: 34
              Pick up less vomit
            13. 0
              11 October 2015 19: 52
              According to information provided by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in London, ....


              I didn’t read further hehe more than once it was said that all the information about Syria in the Western media concerning Assad war and the militants riveted in the basement about
              Hounslow Chiswick Park, a Syrian who threw the home of roofing felts in 2005 toli in 95 ... in short, is already directly the root (rooted) Londoner ...
          2. 0
            8 October 2015 16: 54
            There was a situation "friend or foe", the elimination time was about 19 seconds, they curtailed ....
            If someone understands what I mean ...
            Transponders, in r ... from their sneeze !!!
            1. 0
              8 October 2015 16: 59
              CNN at the same time stressed that the incident occurred after the parties held the first consultation on the safety of flights over the territory of Syria.

              And after the second consultation, it must be understood that the Americans generally will not dare to fly into Syria? smile
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          4. 0
            8 October 2015 16: 57
            There is no video, so it’s a lie, all Western agencies would have trumpeted, there’s no point in faking either. The truth is in the last video from Syria, a pair of our MI-24s were shooting, they flew on a shaver ... risk the hell.
      2. +2
        8 October 2015 16: 31
        Approximately 30 km, and the approach time depends on the mutual speed and direction of flight. In any case, the f16 is maneuverable and it has nothing to fear from a sudden collision, and it may be too late to evade a rocket at such a distance ... laughing
        1. WKS
          +4
          8 October 2015 16: 38
          They do it right, remember Vietnam and Korea. God saves man, who save himself. No one should have called them to Syria at all.
      3. +2
        8 October 2015 16: 50
        It is unlikely that they flew in afterburner, and at cruising speed - the Americans remained 1,5 minutes. flight. But not the main thing, who when turned off course. The main thing: whoever left the battlefield is the winner!
      4. 0
        8 October 2015 17: 15
        I get the impression that the Yankees do not want to do anything on the IG and smear for any reason !!
        1. +1
          9 October 2015 16: 53
          I get the impression that the Yankees do not want to do anything on the IG and smear for any reason !!

          What do you mean do not want ?? They want to. They want and do. They supply, train, provide informational cover, create the appearance of fighting IS, so that the impressionable citizens of democracies are released and they can continue to deal with the problems of LGBT rights with a light soul. hi
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      6. +1
        8 October 2015 18: 25
        Quote: A-Sim
        less than a minute of flight


        I’ll fix it a little ... a little more than a minute and then, if strictly on the opposite courses! soldier
      7. 0
        8 October 2015 23: 36
        Quote: A-Sim
        less than a minute of flight


        ... or short-range missile launch distance.
    2. +3
      8 October 2015 16: 32
      It turns out how easy it is to brave American pilots to scare. Forty kilometers from an unidentified target, they begin to get nervous. And if, as in World War II, massively raise barriers balloons? Will they stop flying at all? laughing
    3. +1
      8 October 2015 16: 34
      Quote: marlin1203
      20 nautical miles distance ... pi pepper dangerous! laughing

      20 nautical miles is an average value equal to 37040
      m. In general, one nautical mile is equal to one minute of latitude!
      This can be neglected! But even on the high seas, this distance is considered dangerous for ships.
      1. 0
        8 October 2015 16: 50
        the land is slightly less than the sea (1852 m which) and the land is 1500 with something ...
      2. +1
        8 October 2015 17: 15
        Quote: arane
        20 nautical miles is an average of 37040 m ... in the open sea, this distance is considered dangerous for ships

        So at sea vessels and the radius of "bend" is slightly different. No? wink
        1. jjj
          0
          8 October 2015 18: 08
          Quote: pilot8878
          So at sea vessels and the radius of "bend" is slightly different.

          The circulation is called
      3. +2
        8 October 2015 17: 26
        Wah-wah-wah. For the moroman an unforgivable mistake. :-)

        1 nautical mile is the length of 1 minutes of LONG of the Greenwich meridian. Well, not Latitude. And then after all, the length of the mile will walk from the equator to the pole :-)

        20 miles at sea is not considered a dangerous rapprochement. But the captain is called to the bridge. :-)
        1. jjj
          0
          8 October 2015 18: 09
          Quote: Bakht
          20 miles at sea

          It's almost over the horizon
        2. +3
          8 October 2015 18: 13
          Nautical Mile - 10 cable - 1852 meters. But the Americans have their own miles - 1609 meters. Accordingly, 20 miles - 32km 180m.
          1. 0
            9 October 2015 00: 53
            The nautical mile is the same everywhere, do not compare with the land. In general, it is not clear - half discusses helicopters, but in an article about airplanes. How do you read?
            1. 0
              9 October 2015 06: 21
              Quote: housewife
              The nautical mile is the same everywhere, do not compare with the land. In general, it is not clear - half discusses helicopters, but in an article about airplanes. How do you read?

              Interest club...
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          3. 0
            10 October 2015 21: 38
            amers have everything wrong initially. And generally a mistake in the DNA.
        3. +1
          9 October 2015 10: 22
          Quote: Bakht
          Wah-wah-wah. For the moroman an unforgivable mistake. :-)

          1 nautical mile is the length of 1 minutes of LONG of the Greenwich meridian. Well, not Latitude. And then after all, the length of the mile will walk from the equator to the pole :-)

          20 miles at sea is not considered a dangerous rapprochement. But the captain is called to the bridge. :-)


          Dear, before wagging, read there, I do not know the navigator's guide or something!
          Nautical Mile - a distance equal to one minute of latitude. She really walks a bit. Hence, for the convenience of calculations, the average value of one minute on the map is accepted, which is 1852,2 m.
          1. +1
            9 October 2015 17: 09
            Comrades navigators and other representatives of BC-1, the overseas bourgeoisie have the concept of a "charter mile", those same 1609 meters, and there is a nautical mile - 1852,2 meters. When Americans talk about miles, they often mean those same 1609 meters. Moreover, "infantry" pilots.
    4. 0
      8 October 2015 16: 46
      just horror
    5. +2
      8 October 2015 17: 00
      Quote: marlin1203
      20 nautical miles distance.


      And this is such diplomacy, but in real life:
      Host: "I see the Russians, the distance is 20 miles!"
      Slave: "John, I've already fucked too!"
      Host: "Turn on the afterburner, combat turn, heading ... to the base!"
    6. +17
      8 October 2015 17: 03
      not the topic, but: http://www.kp.ru/daily/26443.4/3313713/
      the very moment when you do not want to die.
      1. +1
        8 October 2015 17: 52
        Interesting, really hard to believe ?!
        Quote: rpek32
        not the topic, but: http://www.kp.ru/daily/26443.4/3313713/
        the very moment when you do not want to die.
    7. 0
      8 October 2015 17: 52
      Achtung, Achtung! In the sky Pokryshkin! We have a lot of Pokryshkins, sit on the bases of the whale. laughing laughing laughing
    8. +1
      8 October 2015 18: 30
      Let's call a spade a spade - from sin far heaped down gardens. Who has weaker nerves, the first and turns away.
      The Americans, fighting the weak, have so much thought about their weapons that the reality in Syria is now a shock to them. Only today it was reported that the UAV operators admit that their "invisible" drones are being captured and they have to take them back. Almost literally - for the first time we thought it was some kind of accident. But when this is repeated every time, it becomes uncomfortable.
    9. 0
      8 October 2015 18: 40
      Quote: marlin1203
      20 nautical miles distance ... pi pepper dangerous! laughing

      This is the launch distance of our medium-range air-to-air missiles on the Su-30SM, patrolling the Syrian sky and accompanying the Su-24, 25 and Su-34 strike groups. Probable partners are afraid to approach the destruction distance by the Russian Air Force request
    10. 0
      8 October 2015 21: 33
      What do you! Our pilots complain that even at such a distance the "pacher" from the "partners" is unbearable! soldier
    11. 0
      9 October 2015 10: 06
      They generally need to put a line of flags on the grn. Do not hell crawl around the world!
  2. +13
    8 October 2015 16: 25
    do not fuck there to do mattresses.
    But the mission of the machine did not fulfill

    could and sand in another place to bomb hi
    1. +4
      8 October 2015 16: 27
      Excavators did not get caught along the way.
      1. +1
        8 October 2015 17: 37
        Quote: Alexnder
        Excavators did not get caught along the way.

        Poor you know the mattresses, they are persistent guys, they searched and found !!!! fellow

        “Yesterday was marked by a violation by the enemy of peace agreements. At 12:25 in the vicinity of Troitskoye, militants fired anti-tank guided missiles at a Ukrainian stronghold, on which engineering work was being carried out. In total, the criminals made two starts. As a result, one of the missiles hit the excavator and four Ukrainian servicemen were injured, ”the report says.

        Do you recognize the "underscore" ??? !!! Yes
    2. +2
      8 October 2015 16: 44
      Quote: spech
      do not fuck there to do mattresses.

      Right! Russia actually squeezed the United States out of Syria. Why did F-16 fall off? Because they knew that the Russian pilot was craving ... and he won’t ask for his last name!
      1. 0
        8 October 2015 20: 47
        Yeah, and another 20 miles from the Syrian border wink
    3. +1
      8 October 2015 17: 09
      the American pilot had to change the route in order to avoid rapprochement with the Russian aircraft,

      Everything is correct, interference on the right.
  3. +5
    8 October 2015 16: 26
    Great!
    And then again they get scared, the help of a psychologist is needed.
  4. +4
    8 October 2015 16: 26
    Yeah, and the Americans did not study the frontal attack. The gut is thin and always politely inferior to us (American courtesy). Let them know who is the master in the sky.
  5. +4
    8 October 2015 16: 26
    How nervous they were right away! It’s interesting, but do they happen to be afraid of witnesses, who will be able to see for what purposes they actually deliver blows ?!
  6. +5
    8 October 2015 16: 28
    Hmm, why did the Americans fly there at all, were they called there?
  7. +5
    8 October 2015 16: 28
    If you see a Russian plane at a distance of 20 miles - turn away, 10 miles - change diapers, 1 miles - accept Orthodoxy and pray!
  8. +5
    8 October 2015 16: 28
    20 miles is very close. This is exactly the distance at which pressure on the sphincter from the inside for American pilots can reach critical values.
  9. +1
    8 October 2015 16: 28
    Now they will definitely shy away from our planes, like the devil with incense, and with a shout of "Mandai" (something like that) pull the handle of the catapult. laughing
  10. +1
    8 October 2015 16: 28
    let them fear useful angry
  11. win
    +6
    8 October 2015 16: 29
    I remembered a joke about the American cruiser and the lighthouse ... I had to change the course of the cruiser, not the lighthouse ...
  12. +1
    8 October 2015 16: 30
    proactive pilots in their bureaucratic army will be able to appear only as a result of rotation when pilots of "peacetime" leave - they simply will not have time to learn all these instructions and will act according to the situation, but then they will have to act on equal terms ...
  13. +1
    8 October 2015 16: 31
    Underpants!!! Some show off.
    1. 0
      8 October 2015 16: 52
      Pilots followed the instructions. Failure - on salary, like a sickle. And is it nada for them?
  14. +7
    8 October 2015 16: 31
    "the mission of the machine was not fulfilled" ...
    Not done well
    with American precision, at best, they would bomb a dune,
    at worst, a hospital or a wedding.
    And ISIS would not have bombed the Yankees by any means, regret it.
  15. +1
    8 October 2015 16: 32
    Quote: Siegen
    I remembered a joke about the American cruiser and the lighthouse ... I had to change the course of the cruiser, not the lighthouse ...


    And in my opinion they didn’t change anything, they stupidly crashed laughing
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    2. win
      +3
      8 October 2015 16: 53
      Zadornov was right about stupid Americans ... About others too.
  16. +2
    8 October 2015 16: 33
    Syria for Russia is more than advanced, or an outpost of Russia, and the sky of Syria belongs to the people of Syria and not jackals led by the State Department ....
  17. +3
    8 October 2015 16: 34
    well done Americans - the elders must give way, I approve.
  18. +9
    8 October 2015 16: 34
    Yes, the striped devils just blurted out, the point is the bench press.
    1. +8
      8 October 2015 16: 43
      Quote: 79807420129
      Yes, the striped devils just blurted out, the point is the bench press.

      The bastards ran !!! We need to finish them off
  19. 0
    8 October 2015 16: 36
    Quote: Bombardier
    what's in Syria on helicopters? not a good enemy infa passed .. Does anyone have any information?


    And what kind of "bad infa", I do not know? belay
  20. 0
    8 October 2015 16: 37
    Do not stop the bear from distributing cuffs to banderlogs.
  21. +17
    8 October 2015 16: 41
    Dear colleagues, why doesn’t anyone want to think that the conflict between our countries (USA and Russia) and Assad’s support in the fight against terrorists are slightly different questions. And the fact that the Yankees avoid confrontation is still better than if they were looking for her.

    Type such a subjective opinion. hi
    1. +4
      8 October 2015 16: 44
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      And the fact that the Yankees avoid confrontation is still better than if they were looking for her.


      So we are not looking, and they are climbing and climbing.
      1. +2
        8 October 2015 16: 46
        Quote: Tatarus
        So we are not looking, and they are climbing and climbing.


        Pasha, but you and I don’t really get into trouble. hi
        1. +1
          8 October 2015 18: 05
          But try to provoke it. hi
  22. +3
    8 October 2015 16: 46
    I remember the film was shot in Soviet times - "Case in square 36-80" where our and American pilots approached at a distance when visually it was possible to explain with gestures. And from the stories of the old guard of the pilots, similar stories have been heard more than once. What suddenly happened to them that 20 miles is the distance of the "critical" approach
    1. 0
      8 October 2015 16: 53
      They are afraid of the behavior of our pilots in their opinion: imitation of an attack, the use of electronic warfare with unpredictable consequences .. or does he already believe that our sky over Syria was closed?
    2. +4
      8 October 2015 16: 56
      Well, they have some kind of instrumentation that the pilots cannot violate, because if something happens he will not receive any compensation and all that.
      By the way, it's worth remembering the War. The "coolest" German tanks of the Tiger type and its modifications had a ban on open combat with IS2. It was strictly forbidden. It was allowed to fight IS 2 only from ambushes. Now all this Tiger is praised, but no one remembers this, no one remembers that the ISs herach these tigers like two fingers, from distances at which the Tiger could not even scratch.
      I do not exclude that here the same analogies are welling up.
      1. +1
        8 October 2015 17: 01
        But only when the IS-2 did an 1 shot, the Tiger did an 2,5. And the Tiger gun is the best tank gun of the war, not ours.
        1. -1
          9 October 2015 11: 37
          It's a little different: whoever fired the first won. But if there is a miss, then while ours are reloading, the Germans could beat the Tiger a couple more times. At the same time, the IS-2 had more conditionally thick armor due to the tilt, and the gun had higher armor penetration. In addition, it should be noted that there were not so many Tigers, and when an IS-2 projectile hit the Panther's "forehead", her rear armor plate was blown out by an engine - a sight not for the faint of heart. The bulk was made up of Pz-IVs and self-propelled guns based on them, they had even worse. Tigers II were huge heavy monsters that could stupidly get stuck - as practice showed, the dead-end branch of the development of tank building, they had more losses for technical reasons. The first use of the Tigers in the area of ​​the Sinyavsky swamps ended in failure. Hunting ISs from an ambush, given these circumstances, is an absolutely rational decision.
          The simple Tiger’s gun wasn’t the best. If we talk about armor penetration, then this is a 12,8 cm gun from the Jagdtiger and the Tiger II, the jagdpanthers and the 8,8 cm ferdinand were also good. If we talk about the totality of qualities, then I would still put the IS-2 in first place: a powerful gun, thick armor, small size and weight like that of the Panther. In WOT, the gun was clearly nerfed for accuracy, if everything from life was to play German equipment there would be less interesting.
      2. 0
        9 October 2015 04: 30
        Hi, you are discussing wretchedly. An agreement has been reached with the Yankees not to interfere with each other. They are resetting information about the strikes of the Russian Air Force and the exact coordinates. And they have a route from Turkey directly through Syrian airspace. It created a situation like before the fall of Libya. Almost 80% of the territory was laid routes of such a huge aviation Armada under the big name Coalition. And now we need to be careful. Our President honestly said that our military arrived in Syria at the request of the legitimate Government of the country. The rest is not legal. And where is the UN. While the diplomats invented something by our pilots in the first sorties, they destroyed something very important. The Syrians themselves do not really know what was concrete there. While the Coalition was shocked, our military asked through their channels remove their advisers from instructors and other people away from sin. And immediately convoys caravans moved in all directions. Ours did not pursue them, let them go. And from Monday all the other stage is another way to deal with gangs. Do not forget there our crowds are not crowded touch. Until they interfere. They will interfere will be asked to remove. Our military people are there, they know what to do next. I don’t understand at all that we don’t believe ours, but we are ready for some foreigners. Bad. Now it’s not possible to hide. I am sorry for our soldiers they don’t believe they are looking for something between the lines. But in vain. Our country has a hard time now. Weekly our people work there dangerously, but opinions in the country itself are divided. On the channels, some personalities are constantly catching up. Although some quite respectable people, even in the civil service, but about Syria, are sad a simple person is caught up. They are trying to prove that the President is wrong and unfortunately not yesterday. That's where the bitterness is. Good luck and luck to our military in Syria. Our Army, which has been in the way for twenty years with shit. It seems to me that our well-fed gentlemen will try to mix again with the shit our military men are doing their work to save the state under the name of Syria. And Apple, as always, except for the negative, does not want to see anything at all.
    3. +2
      8 October 2015 17: 19
      Quote: tolyasik0577
      What suddenly happened to them that 20 miles is the distance of the "critical" approach

      Everything is simple here. The American pilots had "critical" days, well, and their point is not iron - bench press ...
  23. +3
    8 October 2015 16: 49
    Quote: arane
    Quote: marlin1203
    20 nautical miles distance ... pi pepper dangerous! laughing

    20 nautical miles is an average value equal to 37040
    m. In general, one nautical mile is equal to one minute of latitude!
    This can be neglected! But even on the high seas, this distance is considered dangerous for ships.

    On the high seas, a dangerous distance is considered to be cable.
  24. -2
    8 October 2015 16: 50
    I read this but I do not believe it.
    http://delo.ua/world/sirijskie-povstancy-zajavili-chto-ubili-rossijskogo-general
    a-305144 /
    1. -1
      8 October 2015 17: 09
      I read - complete crap a la censor. Of course - a whole general and even a tank.
    2. 0
      8 October 2015 17: 16
      You do it right. When it was such that the general took part in a ground operation or freely moved through hostile territory.
  25. +20
    8 October 2015 16: 56
    Yeah, already online and photos appeared)))
    1. +3
      8 October 2015 17: 04
      This is generally a credit !!!!!
  26. win
    +4
    8 October 2015 16: 57
    the Yankees avoid confrontation; it's all the same better than if they were looking for her.

    Respect means fear ...
  27. 0
    8 October 2015 16: 59
    20 miles is the missile launch distance of aircraft (Su-34SM) that cover our attack aircraft. And it’s clear what they say. WE WARNED YOU if the Su-34SM launches a rocket for the safety of our working attack aircraft.
    1. +1
      8 October 2015 17: 11
      Quote: solovey
      (Su-34SM) cover our attack aircraft

      Actually, the attack aircraft are the Su-34SM, and they are covered by the Su-30SM, which are multifunctional heavy class fighters.
  28. 0
    8 October 2015 16: 59
    20 miles is the missile launch distance of aircraft (Su-34SM) that cover our attack aircraft. And it’s clear what they say. WE WARNED YOU if the Su-34SM launches a rocket for the safety of our working attack aircraft.
  29. +12
    8 October 2015 16: 59
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/372/xnvr696.jpg
  30. +1
    8 October 2015 17: 00
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    Assad's support in the fight against terrorists

    Here the "fight against terrorists" is primary. And who to support, Assad, Castro, Obama or Merkel, this is a secondary question. This is the crux of the matter.
    As for confrontation, for the Americans, the "general line of the party" is a struggle for profit. If the benefits outweigh the costs, they are for confrontation, if not, then no!
  31. +1
    8 October 2015 17: 01
    Israelis changed course, predators too, why don't the majors move when people are working. After all, when people WORK, jokes are poorly understood ...
  32. +1
    8 October 2015 17: 03
    "Point" is not iron! "Bench press", yes am.ery ?!
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  34. +7
    8 October 2015 17: 05
    At least one wedding or hospital is lucky!
  35. 0
    8 October 2015 17: 07
    Quote: Temples
    http://mignews.com/news/disasters/world/081015_145831_87515.html

    Everywhere the same infa. Almost word for word. I will think that crap.

    From Khokhlyatsk fakekomets downed along the way.
  36. 0
    8 October 2015 17: 15
    In Syria, there was one incident when the American pilot had to change the route in order to avoid rapprochement with the Russian plane, Leader of the Pentagon Jeff Davis quotes Reuters.



    And what did the American forget there? It seems to have been an agreement that they do not go there.
  37. -2
    8 October 2015 17: 19
    Moderators cannot influence the "rating". Boys, Boys and the like, if not in the "topic" just read, no need to comment. And even more so to put plus or minus signs. After all, everyone has "their own" service .. You simply cannot know what I know. However, like the rest of the forum participants. It's not for you to judge ..
    1. +1
      8 October 2015 18: 01
      The wanderer is wondrous and alien
      What did I forget in my land?
      You get your head
      We stand firmly on our own.
    2. +1
      8 October 2015 18: 03
      So tell me why fog
      After all, the truth has nothing to hide
      Or again in the darkness in the fog
      Decided to shove the truth?
    3. 0
      8 October 2015 18: 48
      Sorry What are you talking about?
  38. 0
    8 October 2015 17: 24
    Well done, live hunting !!! Next time, select the lapel distance away.
  39. +2
    8 October 2015 17: 29
    Quote: solovey
    20 miles is the missile launch distance of aircraft (Su-34SM) that cover our attack aircraft. And it’s clear what they say. WE WARNED YOU if the Su-34SM launches a rocket for the safety of our working attack aircraft.

    Shaw for such a beast ??? belay
    Quote: Aksakal_07
    Quote: solovey
    (Su-34SM) cover our attack aircraft

    Actually, the attack aircraft are the Su-34SM, and they are covered by the Su-30SM, which are multifunctional heavy class fighters.

    Ohhh ... so this turns out to be the newest attack aircraft such wassat .... oh, couch warriors)) ... write this when here for a week now all the news only about aviation in Syria ... could have been remembered! soldier
  40. 0
    8 October 2015 17: 38
    Helicopters, of course, are a pity, but the fake walks much more fun.
    FOXNEWS: “US MILITARY TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT WITH JON MACKEYNE BEATED BY ISIS MILITANTS”
    http://hollivizor.ru/blog/43060688873/FoxNews:-%C2%ABVoenno-transportnyiy-samole
    t-SSHA-s-Dzhonom-Makkeynom-? page = 43 # 42901894968
  41. 0
    8 October 2015 17: 39
    Quote: Tatarus
    less than a minute of flight


    Sorry: a little more than a minute of flight at V = 2000 (for reference, 1 mile = 1852m)
    1. 0
      8 October 2015 17: 54
      Well, correct something or data or climb into the wiki, otherwise it’s uncomfortable somehow!
  42. 0
    8 October 2015 17: 40
    John crap one's pants, seeing Ivan ... laughing
  43. +5
    8 October 2015 17: 40
    In 1971, when I flew the Tu-95 as an air gunner for a radio operator in the Mediterranean to search for aircraft carriers, the Americans flew up to us on phantoms, but for some reason they were the first to avoid a possible rapprochement ... Our air aces' nerves were always stronger than our opponents and likely "partners" ... smile
  44. +1
    8 October 2015 17: 52
    Quote: Tatarus
    What exactly did the info go where and when did it go? Does Ker have a panic? Let's refer. And pissing without a reason is not a reason not to serve in the army. Or just throw in advance draw up. Facts wow Masha well or links. Links, not links.

    Great and powerful Russian language.
  45. +3
    8 October 2015 18: 43
    The main objectivity and truth. Like in that joke:
    The Pope comes for the first time to Paris. At the station, a crowd of newspaper men flies at him. One cries out:
    - Your attitude to Paris brothels?
    Dad thinks: the dignity does not allow to say something positive, and to speak negatively - I will lose the audience. Comes up with an original way out: makes a surprised face and asks:
    - And what, in Paris there are brothels?
    For tomorrow in all the Paris newspapers:
    "The Pope's first question on Paris soil: Are there brothels in Paris?"
  46. 0
    8 October 2015 18: 44
    Again ours acted "irresponsibly". laughing Well done guys, it’s not for nothing that you were preparing for battle.
  47. 0
    8 October 2015 18: 44
    marlin1203 20 nautical miles distance ... pi hazard is dangerous! laughing

    This is the range of destruction of our aircraft missiles installed now on the Su-30SM, which patrol the sky of Syria and occasionally accompany the attack groups of the Su-24, 25 and Su-34.
  48. +1
    8 October 2015 18: 53
    Quote: Tatarus
    These creatures are so unpredictable
    Excavators belay
  49. +1
    8 October 2015 19: 22
    pissing? nothing soon you will start to fight laughing poor Syria drenched in NATO troops laughing
  50. 0
    8 October 2015 19: 23
    And nothing to say, only a homeric laughter laughing
  51. +1
    8 October 2015 20: 58
    War, of course, is a bad thing. But to show the amers that we are not dead, and that on occasion we can spoil the face of many, is a sacred thing!
  52. 0
    8 October 2015 21: 40
    Now American pilots will also be given diapers during their flights.
  53. +1
    8 October 2015 21: 54
    20 nautical miles is approximately 32 kilometers. Well, a very close approach for mattress covers. Bzduny. They began bombing without response even during the Second World War, residential areas of German cities, and bypassed industrial areas, there was very dense air defense cover.
  54. +1
    8 October 2015 22: 20
    Russia asked US planes to immediately leave Syrian airspace.
    http://patriotikus.ru/russia/5064-rossiya-poprosila-samolety-ssha-nemedlenno-pok


    inut-vozdushnoe-prostranstvo-sirii.html

    The United States has confirmed its inability to create a no-fly zone in Syria.
    http://patriotikus.ru/mir/5205-ssha-priznalis-v-nesposobnosti-sozdat-bespoletnuy

    u-zonu-v-sirii.html

    And now, the Yankees are forced to ASK us to provide them with security guarantees in the skies of Syria. And who will let them in there?!
    http://patriotikus.ru/mir/5216-ssha-prosyat-chtob-rossiya-otkryla-im-nebo-nad-si
    riey.html
  55. +2
    8 October 2015 22: 44
    The jackal knows how dangerous it is to cross the tiger's path.
  56. 0
    9 October 2015 05: 49
    The Yankees were clearly preparing a dirty trick (to bomb civilian targets in order to subsequently declare Russia guilty of the incident), our flyer would have been a very undesirable witness in this case, so the Yankees decided to abandon their dirty plans, and I must say at the right time...
  57. 0
    10 October 2015 22: 03
    It looks like ours prevented an attempt to bomb Assad’s troops, and of course by mistake, or not?what
    1. -1
      11 October 2015 00: 30
      THE POINT IS THAT MOSCOW AFTER SOME TIME (AND I'M TENDED TO THINK AFTER IT CUT OFF ISIL FROM THE TURKISH BORDER) WILL LEGALLY CONDUCT A NO-FLY ZONE IN SYRIA, IF NOT ALREADY. HENCE THE CAUTION ON THE PART OF NATO. THAT A NATO PLANE CAN BE KNOWN WITHOUT ANY SPECIAL CONSEQUENCES FOR THE ISIS COALITION. IF YOU THINK GOODLY THE AMERICANS ARE STILL (I EMPHASIZE YET) ENOUGH NOT IN THE POSITION
  58. 0
    11 October 2015 00: 55
    They pissed you off, that means they respect you!
  59. 0
    11 October 2015 11: 30
    "two American F-16 aircraft, ... there was an order to change the route if the Russian plane was spotted"
    CNN has outdone themselves.