General Staff: a series of air strikes in Syria had to be canceled due to the movement of militants to settlements

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The Russian command several times canceled the planned strikes on the IS, as the militants left their camps and hid among the civilian population, reports Look With reference to the Chief of the Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, Andrei Kartapolov.



“More than once, we had to cancel the already planned strikes against the militants for the sole reason that the terrorists, apparently receiving information about the take-off of the aircraft, left their bases and camps. At the same time, they, as a rule, took refuge in settlements and near religious institutions ",
told the general.

Kartapolov stressed that settlements are not considered as targets. According to him, Russia offered the Pentagon "to exchange the coordinates of the targets in Syria, but this proposal remains unanswered."

“This means that either our partners do not have these coordinates, or for some reason they do not want us to strike at ISIS facilities. The reason for this remains unclear to us, ”the general summed up.
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  1. +9
    8 October 2015 13: 28
    now work for special forces ...
    1. +11
      8 October 2015 13: 31
      Quote: Volka
      now work for special forces ...

      And for the Syrian Army ...
      CLEANING ... complex operation and losses happen! Let's see how everything will be ...!
      1. +8
        8 October 2015 13: 46
        I think that the morale of the igil is now robustly undermined. This is the best time for stripping. God grant the Syrian military good luck in this.
        1. -14
          8 October 2015 14: 02
          Quote: theadenter
          I think that the morale of the igil is now robustly undermined.

          Why? The bourgeoisie made tens of thousands of sorties and made thousands of strikes on Isil. And this did not undermine the fighting spirit of Igil, but several dozen attacks by the Russian Air Force have already undermined their fighting spirit?

          Isil is not to be defeated by bombing. For them to die in battle for honor. so they will go to heaven and get 72 virgins there. It is necessary to deal with Isil comprehensively.
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          2. +11
            8 October 2015 14: 21
            Quote: professor
            The bourgeoisie made tens of thousands of sorties and made thousands of strikes on Isil. And this did not undermine the fighting spirit of Igil, but several dozen attacks by the Russian Air Force have already undermined their fighting spirit?

            Apparently, the whole focus is on the impact of strikes.
            Quote: professor
            Isil cannot be defeated by bombing ... It is necessary to deal with Isil comprehensively.

            Here you are 100% right. And the ground operation of the Syrian army is a confirmation of this.
            1. -4
              8 October 2015 14: 31
              Quote: pilot8878
              Apparently, the whole focus is on the impact of strikes.

              The trick is coverage of events. wink

              Quote: pilot8878
              Here you are 100% right. And the ground operation of the Syrian army is a confirmation of this.

              No ground operation can defeat Isil unless an alternative is offered. Isil is an ideology and tanks cannot defeat it. I will not tell you what attracts the ideology of the igil, otherwise I will be accused of propaganda of a banned organization. Nevertheless, I want to repeat, the approach in the fight against this evil should be comprehensive.
              1. +14
                8 October 2015 14: 58
                The trick is coverage of events. wink

                The trick is that ISIS is a work of the United States itself and their entire operation is one big screen. What did they bomb there? 2 excavators and a couple of jeeps? For more than 4000 thousand sorties laughing Well, yes, in principle, if you bomb the desert, then of course ...
                No ground operation can defeat Isil unless an alternative is offered. Isil is an ideology and tanks cannot defeat it.
                What is the best ideology? laughing If you do not supply these ghouls with weapons, ammunition and dough from Turkey, Qatar, the USA and Saudi Arabia, then all this shushara with its ideologies fall apart like a house of cards and cut itself. In general, as usual, you, Mr. APPLICANT, once again tell tales here.
                1. -7
                  8 October 2015 17: 10
                  Quote: adept666
                  What did they bomb there? 2 excavators and a couple of jeeps? For more than 4000 thousand sorties Well, yes, in principle, if you bomb the desert, then of course ...

                  And what bombed 26 Russian KR for $ 8 lemons each? where is the hit confirmation? Start seen. We saw the flight. Hit? request

                  Quote: adept666
                  What is the best ideology? If you do not supply these ghouls with weapons, ammunition and dough from Turkey, Qatar, the USA and Saudi Arabia, then all this shushara with its ideologies fall apart like a house of cards and cut itself. In general, as usual, you, Mr. APPLICANT, once again tell tales here.

                  It is ideology. Chyrks roam for thousands of kilometers to fight there not at all for money.

                  Quote: bot.su
                  But the regular, as if by mistake, dumping of weapons and ammunition to ISIS gangs and several thousand "combat" sorties, after which, despite the bombing, the territory controlled by ISIS is growing, are suggestive.

                  Not regular, but the igil is growing because bombing the idea is not to kill. And your bombing will only lead to its growth.

                  Quote: bot.su
                  I just don’t understand that, in Israel they believe that groups of Islamists with remnants of Soviet weapons from the arsenals of the Syrian army do not pose a threat to Israel?

                  Today, the Islamists committed 3 terrorist attacks in Israel, yesterday 4. And you tell us about some kind of igil in Syria telling. The Islamists have been with us for a long time and we have been fighting them for 100 years already.
                  Terror attack in the center of Tel Aviv: four wounded


                  Quote: aleks 62 next
                  ... Sound idea of ​​a prof .... But they all (or almost all) want to live ... And not in paradise ... But on a sinful earth ...

                  Today, 3 suicide bombers carried out terrorist attacks in Israel. Went to death. Two got it. Speak live want? You are mistaken. The Shaid hung with explosives in most cases wants to go to heaven, and not vegetate in this world.

                  Quote: Max_Bauder
                  Do you believe that the bourgeois did make these attacks in real life or are you trying to mislead us?

                  Yours in the Kremlin did not refute this information. However, as they are children.
                  1. +2
                    8 October 2015 17: 33
                    I adore the Jews)))))
                    Quote: professor
                    Not regular, but the igil is growing because bombing the idea is not to kill. And your bombing will only lead to its growth.

                    But the Jews mean kosher bomb))))))))))))))
                    1. -2
                      8 October 2015 18: 13
                      Quote: Ramzaj99
                      But the Jews mean kosher bomb))))))))))))))

                      Jews are trying to solve this problem in a comprehensive manner. And a carrot and a stick.
                      1. +1
                        8 October 2015 18: 30
                        Here we are in a complex, just no one knows.
                      2. +3
                        8 October 2015 19: 54
                        Quote: professor
                        Jews are trying to solve this problem in a comprehensive manner. And a carrot and a stick.

                        Oleg, please clarify the demolition of houses, eviction - where is the stick, and where is the carrot? You are absolutely correct in speaking about the struggle against ideology, but from the Israeli side, the ideological struggle is not visible. Yes, to be honest, I doubt its necessity - the percentage of "bad romantics" (fanatics, martyrs) is negligible, vanishingly small. The only method of struggle, from my point of view, is to suppress open armed resistance and, after that, to create those social conditions that would be a pity to lose.
                        And by the way:
                        Quote: professor
                        The Islamists have been with us for a long time and we have been fighting them for 100 years already.

                        Israel, EMNIP, only 67 years old?
                      3. -3
                        8 October 2015 19: 59
                        Quote: pilot8878
                        lay down, please clarify the demolition of houses, eviction - where is the stick and where is the carrot?

                        Not implicated in terror? Get permission to work in Israel and earn an order of magnitude more than your neighbors. Etc.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        You are absolutely right in talking about the struggle against ideology, but from the side of Israel the ideological struggle is not visible.

                        Where can you see it? Your media is not a word about today's 4 terrorist attacks in Israel.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        Yes, to be honest, I doubt its necessity - the percentage of "bad romantics" (fanatics, martyrs) is negligible, vanishingly small.

                        Not. 10 percent fanatics and another 30 percent sympathizers.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        Israel, EMNIP, only 67 years old?

                        And before that, the Arabs did not do pogroms? Didn't organize a massacre? Didn’t help Hitler?
                      4. +5
                        8 October 2015 20: 26
                        Quote: professor
                        Get a work permit in Israel

                        Excuse me, I am not aware of the situation: until then, an Arab born and raised in Israel has no right to work? Or has a charge. pay a little more than unemployment benefits?
                        Quote: professor
                        10 percent fanatics and another 30 percent sympathizers.

                        It is for the sympathizers that we must create conditions in which they would not want to fight, but the fanatics must be ideologically "reforged onto the proletarian track."
                        And to be honest, I cannot and do not want to comment on the pogroms and massacres. Slaughter of this kind took place in all centuries and throughout Europe: in Poland, Russia, Germany, as well as in the United States. As a phenomenon, it is, of course, a crime, barbarism and cannot be justified. But WHY you, an intelligent nation, born traders who can "sell snow to the Eskimo in winter", cannot peacefully coexist on this earth.
                      5. -2
                        8 October 2015 20: 30
                        Quote: pilot8878
                        Excuse me, I am not aware of the situation: until then, an Arab born and raised in Israel has no right to work? Or has a charge. pay a little more than unemployment benefits?

                        We are talking about the Arabs from Judea and Samaria. Israeli Arabs sit quietly and breathe evenly. They live so that they can only be envied.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        It is for the sympathizers that we must create conditions in which they would not want to fight, but the fanatics must be ideologically "reforged onto the proletarian track."

                        That is what I constantly say. A complex approach.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        But WHY you, an intelligent nation, born traders who can "sell snow to the Eskimo in winter", cannot peacefully coexist on this earth.

                        With whom? With the barbarians? We are in different dimensions. We value life, and they have death.
                      6. +2
                        8 October 2015 21: 06
                        Quote: professor
                        With whom? With the barbarians? We are in different dimensions.

                        Where does such arrogance come from? All people are equal, even if they are unpleasant. The arrogance of the opponent causes a feeling of rejection, hostility (I'm talking about Arabs), which automatically puts them in the category of the enemy from your point of view.
                        Quote: professor
                        We value life, and they have death.

                        Again, this is not a correct statement: the Quran, like the Bible, regards life as the greatest gift given by God. And only extremist sects, taking advantage of the gaps in the education of a person and the social policy of the state, the instability of the psyche of a particular individual, prepare, as Ramzan says, "shaitans" who are the most dangerous for society. This is the task of the state and is to correct the existing gaps.
                      7. 0
                        8 October 2015 21: 31
                        Quote: pilot8878
                        Quote: professor
                        With whom? With the barbarians? We are in different dimensions.

                        Where does such arrogance come from? All people are equal, even if they are unpleasant. The arrogance of the opponent causes a feeling of rejection, hostility (I'm talking about Arabs), which automatically puts them in the category of the enemy from your point of view.
                        Quote: professor
                        We value life, and they have death.

                        Again, this is not a correct statement: the Quran, like the Bible, regards life as the greatest gift given by God. And only extremist sects, taking advantage of the gaps in the education of a person and the social policy of the state, the instability of the psyche of a particular individual, prepare, as Ramzan says, "shaitans" who are the most dangerous for society. This is the task of the state and is to correct the existing gaps.

                        With all due respect, what kind of dialogue are we talking about if civilians are slaughtered in the streets like pigs? The feeling of rejection of the Palestinians by us was fostered by their own leadership, so that they knew exactly who was to blame for their not the best life. And the fact that the leadership of the villa is building itself in Europe is everything in the name of the holy struggle with Israel fellow
                      8. +2
                        9 October 2015 00: 04
                        Quote: Hello
                        What kind of dialogue are we talking about if civilians are slaughtered on the streets like pigs?

                        That's how long I live, so much amazed at the ability of Jews to cry at life and brag about it at the same time. If everything is SO bad in your country, then something needs to be changed: either tactics or strategy. If all else fails, then God is with you, come to Russia. The homeland will accept its "prodigal children." drinks Otherwise, don't complain. As an example, let me recall our notorious Chechnya, Dagestan. "Devils" still appear, but they are not creating the general situation.
                  2. +4
                    8 October 2015 19: 57
                    And what bombed 26 Russian KR for $ 8 lemons each? where is the hit confirmation? Start seen. We saw the flight. Hit?
                    But there is a video of objective control of air strikes (there is such a video from the United States, I especially like it, where they stand so calmly without emotion, move away from the art installation and wait, making a video of how the bomb will fly there without any Allah Akkbar, as they usually shout and what to shout? Vidos staged for bibishi and shinen). There is a video of the terrorists themselves with lamentations. There is a howl from Turkey, the United States and the Saudis, and this is worse than any video confirms that the hits are accurate. There is a development of the ground operation of the Syrian armed forces. There are surrendering militants (well, to see the most ideologically savvy and implacable Yes ) and hiding in the cities behind the civilian population, which the Russian Aerospace Forces will not bomb, the question is why, after more than 4000 thousand sorties of US aviation and ISIS, quietly rummaged through Syria, built bases, organized warehouses, etc., and now how rats after 50 sorties of the air force flee? As for the cost, but you don’t count our money, for terrorists we don’t feel sorry for it in this way because how many troubles all this shushara can bring to us at our borders (and they were created for us as well) in Central Asia and the Caucasus your favorite green crispy paper, the values ​​we have are different just ...
                    It is ideology. Chyrks roam for thousands of kilometers to fight there not at all for money.
                    We saw all this vaunted ideology in Chechnya, as soon as the grandmas ended (blocked their supply channels or corrupted outright part of the militant leaders) all jihad came to naught. Therefore, once again I repeat there is no ideology in ISIS except for the dough, the sheikhs will stop supplying them with money, the USA and Turkey, their whole ideology will fly away to one place (in which you think). The only Europeans who were persuaded by the ideology of Islam were those who believed in the romantic beginning of the holy war.
                    1. -6
                      8 October 2015 20: 08
                      Quote: adept666
                      But there is a video of objective control of aviation strikes

                      Share please.

                      Quote: adept666
                      the question is why, after more than 4000 thousand sorties of US aviation and ISIS, quietly rummaged through Syria, built bases, organized warehouses, etc., and now, like rats, after 50 sorties of the airborne forces flee?

                      Who told you that they are running away?

                      Quote: adept666
                      We saw all this vaunted ideology in Chechnya, as soon as the grandmas ended (blocked their supply channels or corrupted outright part of the militant leaders) all jihad came to naught.

                      Is there peace and tranquility in the Caucasus or do I not know something? In Isil, most are ideological. For what money does a person agree to become a suicide?

                      Quote: adept666
                      Therefore, once again I repeat there is no ideology in ISIS except for the dough, the sheikhs will stop supplying them with money, and the whole of their ideology will fly to one place (which you think of yourself).

                      I closely monitor the situation with the Israeli Ishilovites. All up to one who was detained and imprisoned acted solely for ideological reasons.
                      1. +1
                        8 October 2015 20: 36
                        Share please.
                        On YouTube, type the query: strikes by the Russian Air Force on the positions of militants in Syria, it's easy to believe wink
                        Who told you that they are running away?
                        The representative of the VKS group, in particular, almost quotes: Part of the flights has to be canceled, as terrorists began to hide in settlements and religious buildings on which we do not work.
                        Is there peace and tranquility in the Caucasus or do I not know something? In Isil, most are ideological. For what money does a person agree to become a suicide?
                        Now the world is because some of the terrorists who were bought are in power there and this part handed over or itself ate the other half, handed over the channels for the supply of weapons, handed over the channels for the supply of new fighters, handed over almost all the channels for the supply of dough and as soon as this happened the jihad ended and all the jihadists the ideological ones ran away. As for the suicide bombers ... there are really few of them in this bunch of people, you can make a suicide bomber out of any person, the Japanese weren't Islamists, but they had kamikazes, our pilots went to the ram, dying, Red Army men tied with grenades rushed to the tank, etc. examples, only a few can, there were suicide bombers in the Caucasus, but 90% of the militants were mercenaries and fought for the loot, filming video reports of their "exploits" and did not want to die for the idea of ​​hiding in the mountains and behind the civilian population.
                        I closely monitor the situation with the Israeli Ishilovites. All up to one who was detained and imprisoned acted solely for ideological reasons.
                        What are you saying? And how do they detain ideologically killed suicide bombers, tied with grenades? laughing
                      2. -4
                        8 October 2015 20: 40
                        Quote: adept666
                        On YouTube, type the query: strikes by the Russian Air Force on the positions of militants in Syria, it's easy to believe

                        Sent to google? I thought so.

                        Quote: adept666
                        The representative of the VKS group, in particular, almost quotes: Part of the flights has to be canceled, as terrorists began to hide in settlements and religious buildings on which we do not work.

                        And give evidence?



                        Quote: adept666
                        Now the world

                        So your lie constantly reporting the destruction of militants in the Caucasus? So the world or the militants? wink

                        Quote: adept666
                        What are you saying? And how do they detain ideologically killed suicide bombers, tied with grenades?

                        Will the troll stop feeding.
                      3. +3
                        8 October 2015 20: 48
                        Sent to google? I thought so.

                        YouTube, read the accusatory ... Well, well, since you are a lazy person, here's one of the videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6PRLjUA264
                        And give evidence?

                        Aha Su-34 picks up by flying laughing Intelligence and UAV Cap!
                        So your lie constantly reporting the destruction of militants in the Caucasus? So the world or the militants? wink
                        Who is lying? The CTO regime is constantly in the same Dagestan, and it is reported by all our media, there is a video of special operations, even Kadyrov communicates with them over the phone, forcing them to give up. But since this is not what happened in 94 and 98, but scattered, small-numbed, stubborn fighters with the regime, then on the whole the WORLD.
                        Will the troll stop feeding.

                        What are you, what are you ... trolling is your methods (well, such as: and material evidence leads ...), I just want to understand how you can capture ideologically logically repressed suicide bombers hung with explosives and then talk to them, so go only to Israeli hospitals (well, in those where ISIS fighters are treated smile ) possibly.
                      4. -2
                        9 October 2015 14: 06
                        Quote: adept666
                        Youtube, read the accusatory ... Well, well, since you are a lazy person, here's one of the vidos:

                        YouTube is Google’s video resource. I watched the video, laughed.

                        Quote: adept666
                        Aha Su-34 picks up by flying

                        Drones do not shoot video? Is the film over? wink

                        Quote: adept666
                        CTO regime is constantly in the same Dagestan

                        All the same, WHO, not the world.

                        Quote: adept666
                        I just want to understand how you can take captive ideologically stubborn suicide bombers hung with explosives and then talk to them

                        1. Not all Igilovites are suicide bombers.
                        2. And suicide bombers are taken prisoner.
                        3. Here is an example about Israeli igilovites: http://www.jewish.ru/news/israel/2015/07/news994329799.php

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        You will not believe, but, nevertheless, the world. The detention and destruction of individual bandits do not change the overall picture.

                        Then we have peace. True, such a world does not suit us. We want like in Switzerland. Full world.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        Where does such arrogance come from?

                        Those who cut people’s heads because he doesn’t like them and is a barbarian.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        Again, the statement is incorrect: the Qur'an, like the Bible, regards life as the greatest gift given by God.

                        And you do not know at all.

                        Quote: pilot8878
                        If everything is so bad in your country, then you need to change something: either tactics or strategy.

                        ... or neighbors.
                      5. 0
                        9 October 2015 16: 08
                        YouTube is Google’s video resource. I watched the video, laughed.

                        Laughter for no reason, a sign of a great mind as you know laughing
                        Drones do not shoot video? Is the film over?

                        For the gifted there was a continuation in the form Intelligence and UAV Cap! What do you look for in the book of the applicant, and in the form of a famous figure formed by three fingers? laughing
                        1. Not all Igilovites are suicide bombers.

                        What then did you summarize them literally a couple of posts above, to remind your pearls?
                        In Isil, most are ideological. For what money does a person agree to become a suicide?
                        more...
                        All up to one who was detained and imprisoned acted solely for ideological reasons.
                        And now it’s not all suicide bombers who get it, but for what then they are fighting there (well, those who are not all smile ) and what shisha? It reminds you of the end of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrVjFOi1zAc And yet, entertainingly many of these ideological suicide bombers in the form of peaceful refugees so peacefully moved to Europe ... Such good refugees from 15-17 by thousands of eureka in your pocket, where did the money come from in the country destroyed by the war, Zin?
                        2. And suicide bombers are taken prisoner.
                        Then it’s never suicide bombers, but only unfinished blanks.
                        . Here is an example about Israeli Ishilovites:
                        And that did not let them into Syria? There they would come from your beloved USA kirdyk, is not it? what
                      6. -1
                        9 October 2015 16: 27
                        Quote: adept666
                        Laughter for no reason, a sign of a great mind as you know

                        There is a reason. Where is the shooting that leaves no doubt what exactly there was fucking? wink

                        Quote: adept666
                        For the gifted there was a continuation in the form of Intelligence and UAV cap!

                        Well? Did the drones run out of film?

                        Quote: adept666
                        What do you look for in the book of the applicant, and in the form of a famous figure formed by three fingers?

                        transition to personality?

                        Quote: adept666
                        What then did you summarize them literally a couple of posts above, to remind your pearls?

                        Not all Igilovites are suicide bombers, but most Igilovites are not there for money. Repeat the third time?

                        Quote: adept666
                        And now it’s not all suicide bombers, but for what then they are fighting for it (

                        For the ideology.

                        Quote: adept666
                        Then it’s never suicide bombers, but only unfinished blanks.

                        How clever !!! I’ll write myself in the quote box. wassat


                        Quote: adept666
                        And that did not let them into Syria? There they would come from your beloved USA kirdyk, is not it?

                        All. I promised not to feed the trolls. hi
                      7. 0
                        9 October 2015 17: 23
                        There is a reason. Where is the shooting that leaves no doubt what exactly there was fucking?
                        It is known where, it’s a shame to not know this applicant in the RF Ministry of Defense smile It’s only in the State Department that the points from the trees on the map with tanks are signed in their presentations such as real satellite imagery, in real life everything is from an adult: one who knows how to think, thinks how to see, sees it, but apparently this is not about you, alas ...
                        Well? Did the drones run out of film?

                        No, there was not enough magnetoresistive memory wink
                        transition to personality?

                        God forbid, I don’t observe the personality in you, so well, just physically I can’t switch to it.
                        Not all Igilovites are suicide bombers, but most Igilovites are not there for money. Repeat the third time?
                        Why in the third? You have so far only managed for the first time to somehow realize something intelligible and logically consistent. Arabs in Chechnya also said that, but reality turned out to be more beautiful than candy wrappers. Something I strongly suspect is the same with ISIS wink
                        How clever !!! I’ll write myself in the quote box. wassat
                        Yes, it’s not a problem, if I need you, I’ll throw such an impromptu one almost for free, only in PM we will not flood in this topic.
                        https://youtu.be/iR2UvlIEFRw

                        Well, this is just from the category of those whom I wrote about, because a real suicide bomber doesn’t pose in front of the cameras hung with explosives, he just enters a bus, airport, metro full of people and blows himself up. And even when he is killed by computing, he is still undermined trying to take as much as possible with him.
                        All. I promised not to feed the trolls. hi

                        Once again, the drain is counted. hi
                      8. +2
                        8 October 2015 21: 18
                        Quote: professor
                        So your lie constantly reporting the destruction of militants in the Caucasus? So the world or the militants?

                        You will not believe, but, nevertheless, the world. The detention and destruction of individual bandits do not change the overall picture.
              2. +2
                8 October 2015 15: 14
                The trick is that the naughty nozer feels sorry for his fosterlings, and here comes the imitation of fighting evil and hanging noodles on the ears of the average man.
              3. +3
                8 October 2015 16: 25
                Quote: professor
                The trick is coverage of events.

                Yes. But the regular, as if by mistake, dumping of weapons and ammunition to ISIS gangs and several thousand "combat" sorties, after which, despite the bombing, the territory controlled by ISIS is growing, are suggestive. The reluctance on the part of Americans to share information about ISIS targets and the silence of the "leaders" of the moderate opposition suggests that in reality there is neither ISIS nor a moderate opposition. And there are many groups of radical extremists supported by the countries of the pro-American coalition with the aim of overthrowing Assad, and then at least the grass will not grow. Especially in the desert ... The goal is to create a mess in the country on the model of Libya.

                I just don’t understand that, in Israel they believe that groups of Islamists with remnants of Soviet weapons from the arsenals of the Syrian army do not pose a threat to Israel? Or is there hope to occupy Syria or part of it under the pretext of combating terrorism?
              4. +1
                8 October 2015 21: 07
                Quote: professor
                Isil is an ideology and tanks cannot defeat it.

                on Tiananmen in 1989 somehow they could, but here is such a denial, fanatics look at your orthodox and understand this ...
          3. +5
            8 October 2015 14: 22
            ... Sound idea of ​​a prof .... But they all (or almost all) want to live ... And not in paradise ... But on a sinful earth ...
          4. +1
            8 October 2015 14: 32
            Quote: professor
            For them to die in battle for honor. so they will go to heaven and get 72 virgins there.

            And if they are captured and hanged, for example on a wooden gallows?
            1. +1
              8 October 2015 17: 11
              Quote: brn521
              And if they are captured and hanged, for example on a wooden gallows?

              There are other methods of killing that guarantee that they do not go to heaven. However, all of them are not humane, and executing prisoners is somehow not Christian ...
              1. 0
                9 October 2015 10: 24
                Quote: professor
                There are other methods of killing that guarantee that they do not go to heaven.

                I read it from Cruise, it stuck in my memory. I was surprised that one of the world's religions can include such primitive views. I mean, that "the one who is hanged on a tree is cursed." At least there are vulnerabilities even in the primitive ideological training of suicide bombers, which is good.
                Quote: professor
                and to execute prisoners is somehow not Christian ...

                I do not argue, but the world is dominated by a slightly different religion (which, however, is not even revered as such). A prisoner can be tortured by conscience and he will hang himself. Well, or to the extreme, will publicly go over to the other side, begin to carry heresy, maybe even the Koran will begin to be "extremely disrespectful". One case, the second ... The same horror stories will turn out that in primitive societies spread with the speed of fire, and the attempts of the upper classes to pull them out by the roots lead to the opposite result - the lower classes realize that there is something in the idea, since the upper classes fluttered so.
                The problem is not in the fact itself, which may not be. The problem is in replicating information to the masses and creating a corresponding myth. And as a result, the suicide bomber has unnecessary tremors, which means inevitable mistakes. And also problems with a set of "meat" from their puppeteers. The ideology they use for brainwashing is robust but rather primitive. So it is quite possible to cultivate the feeling that the feeling of reinforced concrete solidity, which provides peace of mind, is in fact the result of a weak outlook. And the first Jew who comes across, for example, will be able to pave an insurmountable abyss between you and paradise with the Hurias with just a couple of words. Only those who are completely frostbitten, easily calculated simply by their appearance, will begin to serve as martyrs.
                1. -1
                  9 October 2015 15: 02
                  Quote: brn521
                  A prisoner can be tortured by conscience and he will hang himself.

                  lol

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  You write about it here, referring to some kind of data that the Americans are bringing in to you.

                  Refute them with your data. That is what I ask.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  More than 6000 hours of departures, and during this time ISIS only grew. What evidence are you broadcasting here?

                  I repeat. They cannot be defeated by bombing.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  They threw off?

                  I repeat: They threw off?
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And what do you think the Russian Aerospace Forces are bombing?

                  All in a row. Isil is not the first on the list.

                  Quote: bot.su
                  Judging by the harsh weekdays, it’s not for you to teach us how to deal with terrorists, but you are learning from us.

                  And you look at our neighbors how they are doing with the same bandits. Assad has been trying for 4 years already, and still nothing, and Iran and the Saudis are helping our children. Asadovsky only Saudis.

                  Quote: bot.su
                  In the toilet did not try to wet? They say it helps ...

                  This is what we are doing, and not paying them tribute for peace of mind.

                  Quote: Valkh
                  And how it turns out????

                  Not bad. There and Egypt and Syria look at us with envy. They cannot calm their children.
          5. +4
            8 October 2015 14: 44
            Quote: professor
            Why? The bourgeoisie made tens of thousands of sorties and made thousands of strikes on Isil. And this did not undermine the fighting spirit of Igil, but several dozen attacks by the Russian Air Force have already undermined their fighting spirit?


            Do you believe that the bourgeois did make these attacks in real life or are you trying to mislead us?

            Quote: professor
            Isil is not to be defeated by bombing.


            It depends on how to bomb, if in Russian, pitying the peaceful, then yes, but if in the American way, according to the principle "who did not hide, I am not to blame," then you can bury everyone in a row, women and children.
          6. +2
            8 October 2015 14: 54
            Quote: professor
            Why? The bourgeoisie made tens of thousands of sorties and made thousands of hits on Isil. And this did not undermine the fighting spirit of Igil,

            Why did they bomb there? Did they throw off a load of weapons "by mistake" for the ISIS, or did they destroy the hospital?
            Quote: professor
            but have several dozen strikes by the Russian Air Force already undermined their morale?

            You must admit that you don’t feel comfortable when every minute there is a thought that, say, a rocket from the Caspian or X-101 could fly in. And there’s nothing to bury.
            Quote: professor
            The igil bombardment did not win. For them to die in battle for honor. so they will go to heaven and receive there 72 virgins.

            Sorry, but human law is the same. What the hell virgins? Shaitan will fry them to the seventh generation.
            1. -2
              8 October 2015 19: 01
              Quote: NEXUS
              You must admit that you don’t feel comfortable when every minute there is a thought that, say, a rocket from the Caspian or X-101 could fly in. And there’s nothing to bury.

              KR is not a pleasant thing, but it is much more unpleasant when a drone constantly hangs overhead that can at any moment lower the God's punishment to the earth and does it much more quickly and more often than KR, regardless of the nature of the target, whether it is static or in motion, in the village Madajahid or on the donkey went to ride.

              Quote: NEXUS
              Sorry, but human law is the same. What the hell virgins? Shaitan will fry them to the seventh generation.

              This is a law for you, but for a Shaid it is completely different. Our normal person will not go to blow himself up at a disco, and they have a hero and his portraits on every corner.

              Quote: de_monSher
              I am surprised at your beaten stamp (the one I highlighted in bold).

              Where to beat. In 2 days, we have 8 suicide bombings. Just such everyday life.

              Quote: Tatarus
              They didn’t know what they were there, but you simply have to admit the success of our flights.

              What are these successes expressed in? Isil laid down his arms? Is the area clean? I repeat, the bombing will not bring the expected effect to you just as the American bombing did not bring the expected effect. Not so it is necessary to fight them.
              1. +4
                8 October 2015 20: 01
                Quote: professor
                What are these successes expressed in? Isil laid down his arms?

                And recall when the operation began with the participation of the Russian Aerospace Forces?
                Quote: professor
                I repeat, the bombing will not bring the expected effect to you just as the American bombing did not bring the expected effect

                You don’t write nonsense here. With what fright did the Americans bomb ISIS? Throwing off their ammunition and weapons from the plane? Are you the circus that the United States and the Sotilites call the operation against ISIS?
                1. -4
                  8 October 2015 20: 12
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  And recall when the operation began with the participation of the Russian Aerospace Forces?

                  Not I say that there are successes. The one who claims this and ask.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  You do not write nonsense here. With what fright did the Americans bomb ISIS?

                  This is a medical indisputable fact. There are hundreds of video proofs on the Internet.

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Throwing them ammunition and weapons from an airplane?

                  They threw off?

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  You are the circus that divorced the United States with the sotilites call the operation against ISIS?

                  Let's see how you handle it. While in most cases your bomb is not Isil. Take a look at the map.
                  1. +2
                    8 October 2015 22: 30
                    Quote: professor
                    Not I say that there are successes. The one who claims this and ask.

                    You write about it here, referring to some kind of data that the Americans are bringing in to you.
                    Quote: professor
                    This is a medical indisputable fact. There are hundreds of video proofs on the Internet.

                    More than 6000 hours of departures, and during this time ISIS only grew. What evidence are you broadcasting here?
                    Quote: professor
                    They threw off?


                    Quote: professor
                    Let's see how you handle it. While in most cases your bomb is not Isil.

                    And what do you think the Russian Aerospace Forces are bombing?
              2. +3
                8 October 2015 20: 29
                Where to beat. In 2 days, we have 8 suicide bombings. Just such everyday life.


                Well, not for "fucking", I apologize, with the gurias in the garden, these and-d-e-o-t-s are dying. After all, everything is much more prosaic - they are processed, rather intensively - the methods have been known for a long time, and have nothing to do with religion. How they are "recruited" is also known. What drugs are used is also clear. Why are you all trying to tie this to some particular religion? Just because your state, for the most part, deals with representatives of this particular religion? Well, this is nonsense. And it will not lead to anything good for you, as for a community of people, the state ...

                Like that...
                1. -1
                  8 October 2015 20: 34
                  Quote: de_monSher
                  Well, not for "fucking", I apologize, with the gurias in the garden, these and-d-e-o-t-s are dying. After all, everything is much more prosaic - they are processed, rather intensively - the methods have been known for a long time, and have nothing to do with religion.

                  Yeah. Mosques where they are brainwashed have no relation to religion. Mullahs have no relation to religion. wassat

                  Quote: de_monSher
                  How they are "recruited" is also known. What drugs are used is also clear.

                  No chemistry. Persuasion and threats.

                  Quote: de_monSher
                  Why are you all trying to tie this to some particular religion, then?

                  I don’t remember that in a church or synagogue they urged people to blow themselves up among the Gentiles.
                  1. -1
                    8 October 2015 21: 22
                    I don’t remember in a church or synagogue


                    Are you kidding? Or are you playing a fool? Any clericalism is a direct road to terrorism. And you, in Palestine, have more than enough religious fanatics - I follow with interest, with the help of my Israeli friends, their art. And they are quite like that, "brainwashed" by all sorts of i-d-i-o-t-s rabbis. From Poland, the USA, from France, and in Russia this is more than enough - the guys tell me very interesting things, about all sorts of rags "washed" by mullahs / rabbis / priests. It has already turned into such trifles that it's not even worth talking.

                    But I'm not talking about them now, honestly ... *) I'm talking about professionals, "warriors" and trained professionals "and-d-and-o-t-ah". And there is already a completely different chemistry, beliefs and threats ... *)
              3. +1
                9 October 2015 01: 04
                Quote: professor
                I repeat, the bombing will not bring the effect you expect, just like the American bombing did not bring the expected effect. Not so it is necessary to fight them.

                And right above:
                Quote: professor
                In 2 days, we have 8 suicide bombings. Just such everyday life.

                Judging by the harsh weekdays, it’s not for you to teach us how to deal with terrorists, but you are learning from us.

                In the toilet did not try to wet? They say it helps ...
          7. -2
            8 October 2015 15: 58
            negative write such nonsense. bombed, yeah. to paradise yeah. virgins a paradise yeah yeah lol
          8. +5
            8 October 2015 18: 27
            For them to die in battle for honor. so they will go to heaven and 72 virgins will get there.


            I am surprised by your hackneyed stamp (the one that I highlighted in bold text). I want to leave aside the effectiveness of the strikes of both the Americans "with their comrades in determination" and the Russians "alone in the field of warriors." You seem to live right in the heart of the Middle East yourself (if I'm not mistaken), and write this. In my opinion, these scumbags have much more motivating reasons for the war.

            I myself, recently ran into my own "relatives", so to speak, the CIS Muslims (with Uzbeks from Tajikistan, and from some distant village). Being a Muslim by birth myself, I have a more than cool attitude to religion, and it turned out to be such a gap between them and me that, honestly, I "fell into a sediment." Minor nagging like "you don't sit like that" = motivation - "we in our village are used to sitting cross-legged in Turkish =, or" We are not used to touching some parts of the body while eating, we are disgusted with it "= me at that moment he injured his arm, and when he sat with them, he forgot and began to massage his shoulder =. Well, the biggest problem is prayer of course, which I just don't read = although I am perfectly familiar with all the rituals, and if necessary, on the occasion of a holiday, funeral, wedding - all this ritual, prayers, etc. I'll stretch it myself - my deceased grandfather was a Mullah, and Father, by the way, was a die-hard communist ... *) =. With all this, I, unlike them, do not drink, even beer. I hate drugs - they indulge. It all ended with something like this - "You know, we can't say anything about you, the fact is that you and I live in different worlds, and your world is unacceptable to us. You are not a Muslim" and that's it. There is nothing to object.

            It was here that the dog rummaged - in petty xenophobia. These are the recruits of such groups. And unih I did not notice any mentions of some "gurias in paradise", and other crap. Normal business people looking for their own benefit in life = shrugged =.
            1. +1
              8 October 2015 18: 31
              Normal business people looking for their own benefit in life = shrugged =.


              I would put the word "Normal" in brackets. The world, alas and ah, has become so ... thoroughly "bourgeois", to use your words. And abnormality in this world has become the norm, unfortunately - own, private, warming the soul and other parts of the body, BENEFIT. And nothing else, even though the grass does not grow.
          9. +2
            8 October 2015 18: 27
            Well enough, dear, well, you are not a brake. They didn’t know what they were there, but you simply must admit the success of our flights. I always have a better opinion of you than you deserve.
          10. +1
            8 October 2015 19: 03
            Isil is not to be defeated by bombing. For them to die in battle for honor. so they will go to heaven and get 72 virgins there. It is necessary to deal with Isil comprehensively.

            What does it mean comprehensively?

            Like any group, they have their own mentors and leaders, their supply and supply channels. The destruction of important elements of groupings causes them a commotion. This undermines both morale and the coherence of their actions.
            That is why now is the best time to attack. It seems all the same logical. what
            1. -3
              8 October 2015 19: 10
              Quote: theadenter
              Like any group, they have their own mentors and leaders, their supply and supply channels. The destruction of important elements of groupings causes them a commotion. This undermines both morale and the coherence of their actions.
              That is why now is the best time to attack. It seems all the same logical.

              No, it’s not logical. Give at least one name of the leader of the IG. That's it. This armed rifleman does not have a single control center and acts anarchistically. Take an interest in the ideology of the IG. Learn a lot of interesting things. Other groups have leaders, but their elimination does not guarantee anything. Israel, for example, in the past liquidated the leader of Hezbollah Abbas al-Musavi. As a result, they got even more crazy leader Nasrallou.
          11. 0
            9 October 2015 14: 20
            Quote: professor
            The bourgeoisie made tens of thousands of sorties and made thousands of hits on Isil

            Is it possible to watch videos of ISIS attacks? Only Russian do not need to show me.
            1. -1
              9 October 2015 15: 07
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Is it possible to watch videos of ISIS attacks? Only Russian do not need to show me.

              https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=air+attack+on+isis
              You can skip the Russians.
        2. +5
          8 October 2015 16: 39
          something earlier no one could undermine their morale .... they didn’t scare them, and not that .... the vultures of the dead are dangerous ....
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/141/jtzj585.jpeg
      2. -11
        8 October 2015 14: 06
        I will be a stranger at the UN, the President of the United States, the Reindeer Protection Society. Yes, what about Putin himself !!!
        Why is minya getting banned? !! Where is the freedom of speech.
        And vaabsche, Vee still answered my torn anus !!!
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    3. +3
      8 October 2015 13: 32
      Yes, it seems they will have to highlight the targets in place. Hats off to those whose work it is !!!
      1. +2
        8 October 2015 14: 40
        Here, drone drone barracks would fit perfectly!
    4. +4
      8 October 2015 13: 32
      But they stopped attacking Damascus. Once, probably, the remains of weapons and military equipment are hidden. Intelligence fellows, did not even expect. Remained school means.
      1. jjj
        +9
        8 October 2015 13: 37
        As soon as the IGO trained to hide when Russian planes took off, cruise missiles flew
        1. 0
          8 October 2015 14: 25
          As soon as the IGO trained to hide when Russian planes took off, cruise missiles flew
          .... + 5 !!!! .... A little expensive ....
        2. +3
          8 October 2015 16: 05
          Quote: jjj
          As soon as the IGO trained to hide when Russian planes took off, cruise missiles flew

          Plus for you, of course. That's just the point, as Russian planes began to take off, so the igil report from the amers. Our command tactically replayed them tactically. It was approximately the case. Somehow all the ki gathered in one bunker, and the Russians airplanes don’t fly. Well then, everyone hangs up, sentries around the perimeter. And then the wandering arctic fox, the Anizh from the Caspian flew in. Kirdyk akbar.
    5. -13
      8 October 2015 13: 35
      All? Out of breath. Are the bombs over?
      Now jump on your planes with shamefully shaded stars and run home. To Moscow, to Siberia.
      And then we will get angry, we’ll remove the pants and you’ll kick the ass like in Vietnam.
      1. +5
        8 October 2015 13: 37
        In Vtnam some kind of priest was kicked, and a lot of Bosko unscrewed.
        1. +2
          8 October 2015 13: 45
          Quote: armored optimist
          In Vietnam, your ass was kicked

          Yes, it’s McKein himself, he has two holes, one in his head and one in his ass .... five are left from the Vietnamese laughing
      2. +4
        8 October 2015 13: 39
        Quote: McCain
        All? Out of breath. Are the bombs over?
        Now jump on your planes with shamefully shaded stars and run home. To Moscow, to Siberia.
        And then we will get angry, we’ll remove the pants and you’ll kick the ass like in Vietnam.

        Annealing!))) Isn’t it McCain’s personally in the ass in Vietnam ???)))
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    6. +2
      8 October 2015 13: 53
      Now the Syrian army will have to work on the ground.
  2. +2
    8 October 2015 13: 28
    Only ours tasted ...
  3. +2
    8 October 2015 13: 29
    This reason remains unclear for us, ”the general summed up.
    C'mon, he just don’t know ...
    1. +4
      8 October 2015 13: 35
      Quote: Petr1
      This reason remains unclear for us, ”the general summed up.
      C'mon, he just don’t know ...

      The true warriors of Allah are hiding behind their skirts.
  4. +3
    8 October 2015 13: 29
    The reason is many. For example, if Russia bombed everything, drank the dough in America and it would decrease painfully for those who saw.
  5. +2
    8 October 2015 13: 29
    terrorists .. left their bases and camps. Moreover, they, as a rule, took refuge ... near religious institutions

    The whole crowd fled to Allah to help call?
  6. +2
    8 October 2015 13: 30
    “This means that either our partners do not have these coordinates, or for some reason they don’t want us to strike at ISIS facilities. This reason remains unclear for us, ”the general summed up. That's for sure - a politically correct statement. The Pentagon is saving its investment in ISIS. If destroyed, it is unlikely that anyone will compensate. Insurance was not made for sure.
  7. +6
    8 October 2015 13: 31
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/571/gwvx159.png
  8. +6
    8 October 2015 13: 31
    The East, however, will leak takeoff, landing and other information to the militants, "Mama do not cry." Allah allowed to fight and trade, combine business with pleasure.
    1. +6
      8 October 2015 13: 36
      Quote: raid14
      The East, however, will leak takeoff, landing and other information to the militants, "Mama do not cry."

      I agree. I remember our advisers during the Egyptian war, many not good words about this were said about the Egyptians. hi
  9. +3
    8 October 2015 13: 32
    The reason for the failure on the surface.
    Therefore, the Americans are yelling that we are beating on moderate opposition when we are beating on ISIS. For them, ISIS is this most moderate.
    PS According to reports in the US Senate, there is no moderate opposition in Syria
  10. +3
    8 October 2015 13: 32
    Less need to inform partners. And goals in flight.
  11. +2
    8 October 2015 13: 33
    “This means that either our partners do not have these coordinates, or for some reason they don’t want us to strike at ISIS facilities. This reason remains unclear for us, ”the general summed up.

    Yes, everything is clear. Why "partners" will hand over their fosterlings, the grandmother was spent on them.
  12. 0
    8 October 2015 13: 34
    From settlements, let the ground forces of Syria smoke igil.
    1. +2
      8 October 2015 13: 49
      Quote: Alekseev-Orsk
      From settlements, let the ground forces of Syria smoke igil.

      Better to keep them on the way to settlements. hi
  13. +1
    8 October 2015 13: 37
    On the one hand, it’s correct so that there is no extra noise, on the other hand, when they liberated Berlin, they did not hesitate to use artillery / aviation - because they should not be allowed to!

    Now all the hopes for the army of Assad and other groups ..
  14. +2
    8 October 2015 13: 37
    "... or for some reason they don't want us to strike at ISIS targets. ..."
    Naturally, you must keep your fosterling alive for as long as possible.
  15. 0
    8 October 2015 13: 55
    Quote: McCain
    All? Out of breath. Are the bombs over?
    Now jump on your planes with shamefully shaded stars and run home. To Moscow, to Siberia.
    And then we will get angry, we’ll remove the pants and you’ll kick the ass like in Vietnam.

    Oh, fighting American husbands appeared on our website, they seem to have come off from kissing the African American anus, lol Are you politically correct? Well, why did you register here? Have you written as many as two comments? Here is a nightmare, blacks are called blacks !!! And hate gay people!
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  17. +1
    8 October 2015 13: 59
    From the very beginning, it was clear that in America the words were at odds: in words they are fighting the IS, in fact they are training militants, supplying, inciting the Arab countries - all for the heyday of the IS.
    The Yankees have always been Kurwami, they are such in life, they cannot be trusted and cannot be allies, only pretend to believe. That's just why Russia is opening up its financial system to the Fed, the IMF, the goal of all the recommendations is to weaken Russia in any case, they don’t need a strong Russia, they have a different goal. For the time being, Russia, like a fish swallowing a hook, seems to be swimming by itself, but to sail away one must not, it is time to spit out a financial hook, then everything will fall into place.
  18. +1
    8 October 2015 15: 12
    “This means that either our partners do not have these coordinates, or for some reason they don’t want us to strike at ISIS facilities. This reason remains unclear for us, ”the general summed up.

    Our general is behaving politically correct. But in the eyes of any ordinary normal person, the reasons for not providing the coordinates of the goals of the needles are obvious! With the help of isils and other bandits, the mattress planned to solve its selfish tasks in Syria. And then he was kicked unmercenarily in the ass by the Russian VKS and the Navy of the Caspian! good
  19. +2
    8 October 2015 16: 38
    "Apparently, having received information about the takeoff of aircraft, they left their bases and camps." ... and someone only gave them such information ... well, a mystery of nature.
  20. +4
    8 October 2015 18: 22
    Quote: professor
    The bourgeoisie made tens of thousands of sorties and made thousands of strikes on Isil. And this did not undermine the fighting spirit of Igil, but several dozen attacks by the Russian Air Force have already undermined their fighting spirit?
  21. +1
    8 October 2015 19: 12
    as always ... threats and a declaration of war to the whole world, and how they felt what war was, immediately behind mommy hide and hide behind the civilian population, girls and not militants.
  22. 0
    8 October 2015 23: 10
    Quote: pilot8878
    Apparently, the whole focus is on the impact of strikes.

    One ineffective, second, third ... fiftieth, hundredth, thousandth ... In total, we get productivity. And if thousands of airstrikes did not undermine the fighting spirit, it is unlikely that three dozen will do it, even if the strikes were more tangible ...

    Quote: adept666
    more than 4000 thousands US Air sorties and ISIS Co.

    good
  23. 0
    8 October 2015 23: 18
    Quote: professor
    Quote: Ramzaj99
    But the Jews mean kosher bomb))))))))))))))

    Jews are trying to solve this problem in a comprehensive manner. And a carrot and a stick.

    And how it turns out????

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